Dealing with Burnout, FIL Demands and a Bride Pushed to Her Limits
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One wedding. Too many problems. Not enough boundaries.
There is always some level of chaos and stress around a wedding, but this one pushes well past it. What starts with a condition between the bride’s last name quickly unravels into late-night drives, missing hotel rooms, and plans that never quite land. It’s never just the tension in the background. It shows up in guests crossing boundaries, bringing uninvited plus-ones, breaking child-free rules, and inserting themselves where they should not. Turning into a steady stack of drama, each moment making it harder to ignore.
This episode opens on a more personal note, where I share more about burnout, the pressure to stay consistent, and navigating a major life transition, before getting into hot takes on wedding expectations, financial pressure, and the boundaries people tend to forget.
Listen through the story, the patterns behind it, and where everything starts to fall apart.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Burnout Reality – Balancing content creation, burnout, and being present as a mom, and what that actually looks like behind the scenes.
- Hot Takes Segment – Bridesmaids becoming a financial burden, destination weddings and saying no, and why registries and extra events can go too far.
- The Night Before the Wedding – Last-minute tasks, delays, and a hotel room that never quite comes together.
- The Father-in-Law’s Condition – A demand around the bride’s last name that turns the wedding into a negotiation before it even begins.
- The $100 Bar Contribution – A promise to “cover the bar” that raises bigger questions about control and intent.
- Guests Crossing the Line – Uninvited plus-ones, a child-free wedding being disregarded, and guests showing up without respect for the couple’s boundaries.
- Backhanded Comments – Remarks about the bride’s appearance and behavior that cross from uncomfortable into outright disrespectful.
- The Breaking Point – A series of moments that build until the situation feels less like stress and more like something that cannot be ignored.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “It’s okay to step back and take a breath. People will survive.”
- “Their lives still move on. Your wedding is the most important day to you, not to everyone else.”
- “You should not feel guilty about not attending a destination wedding. It’s an invitation, not a demand.”
- “At the end of the day, we can only take these as lessons for future events.”
- “You should not expect a gift if someone declines your wedding invite.”
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Christa Innis: Once I was fully dressed, I walked into the room where my mom was, where my mom was expecting at least some kind of reaction. Instead, she looked at me and said, you know, weddings are really about the mother of the bride. What? This is actually my day. I can’t believe when people say this is, did this really happen?
Christa Innis: Hi guys. Welcome to my final episode of, here Comes the Drama filmed in this room. Did I scare you guys? So, this is the last time I’ll be filming a podcast episode or anything at this house. as you guys know, I am moving. many of you guys know, I don’t really share too many personal details, so it’s just kind of been a here and there thing.
I don’t plan on sharing too much. I like to keep my. Private life, private, you know, security and privacy is very important to me, so that’s one of the main reasons, but it’s very bittersweet. my husband and I have been here six years. Of course, this is my daughter’s first home, and so I feel like there’s like a lot of like unspoken anxiety about all that.
Not just with moving, but I’ve just been dealing with a lot of anxiety lately. It’s okay if I get a little vulnerable with you guys. I feel like this is a safe place for me to get vulnerable because people that are gonna take the time to listen to the podcast usually are pretty invested and are, loyal listeners.
Mom Life, Content Creation, and Burnout Cycles
Like the content. So I know this is a little shift from the beginning, I promise you we’ll get to the drama, but I just wanna be real with you guys. I mean, creating content is a dream. Like it’s so much fun. Of course, that’s not the only thing I do as many people think, but. it really is the dream.
It’s so much fun. I’ve worked in social media marketing for a long time and I love it. it’s fun to be able to create and being able to turn this into books I have many more plans for that of course, but there’s a lot of burnout that comes with it and, Like the feeling that I am, this could be be gone in a second.
And I put a lot of pressure on myself. And even with this move, I was like, originally I’m like, I’m gonna give myself a week off. But then I get this panic feeling of like, if I don’t post, people will be mad if I don’t post. Which it feels wild to think, but it’s like I’ve made this like part of my career and so I’m like, I don’t wanna let people down.
I wanna be creating. and it’s just hard sometimes to find the balance. you know, even when I worked corporate jobs, I definitely dealt with burnout. Definitely. Like, I would say at least once a quarter I would deal with some kind of burnout, because I go, go, go, go, go. I say yes to everything. I stay late, I arrive early, you know, whatever that is.
and then there’s just, it like slowly hits me and then it’s just like, damn. I need to like, close my computer, turn off my phone and like pull myself away from anything for a while. And I know I’m starting to feel that ’cause there’s just so much going on right now. And so, like, even as, as I’m recording this, by the time you guys hear this, it’ll be like six weeks later.
So hopefully I’m out of this. But, As the time I’m recording this, we’re moving in a couple days and I’m still recording and filming. You know, like my closet is still, I’m filming in my closet at this place. Hunt’s one of the reasons we need to move, but, and I’m still surrounded by clothes. so I need to be moving everything out tomorrow.
I just, I hold onto a lot and I feel a lot of imposter syndrome with doing all this. Um, I’m not gonna try to get too vulnerable because I always feel like if someone’s listening, it’s their first time, they’re gonna be like, uh, Ron for the hills. but I deal with such bad imposter syndrome. I feel like I’m constantly trying to be liked by people.
and so when I go to post, I’m like, oh my gosh, are they gonna like me? Um. This is like long before, you know, social media or making content on this page. That’s just something I’ve always dealt with. I remember bosses coming to me and being like, you’re doing so great. Like, you know, thanks for getting us to this achievement or doing this.
And I’d be like, who are they talking to? They’re not talking to me. There’s no way. it’s just something I’ve always dealt with. and I remember posting about this before and I had so many people send me messages that were just so kind and so helpful. I just feel like at any moment. All of this could be pulled away from me, and that can happen with anything.
Um, and I need to constantly remind myself that, um, sorry guys, that just to take it like day by day, I need to constantly remind myself to take things day by day and, allow myself to have breaks. I like being productive and I like doing things and getting things done, but I also like being a very present mom.
And so that’s also shifted how I work. it’s hard for me to a hundred percent focus on work when she’s awake or when she’s out or needs me because, she’s such a pivotal point, like part of my life of course. And so I wanna be very present. She’s a very present father too, you know, and so, like, he’s obviously very capable, but it’s just like, I don’t wanna miss on moments too.
So I find I’m constantly in this fight or flight mode, and maybe I need to talk to someone about that, not just on the podcast. Maybe I’m just letting it all out now. but yeah, I feel like I’m in this fight or flight mode a lot of the times because I’m, uh, always, you know, when I’m with my daughter.
Like, you know, helping her or, you know, assisting or whatever I need to do. then when I have limited time to get stuff done, I’m like, okay, let’s put this on a list. I have to get through these five things in the next three hours. or when she’s down for bed, then I’m like, okay, I’m gonna get through these things, but I’m exhausted.
And so a lot of people don’t know that that’s what kind of goes on behind the scenes. usually like I have like two good days that I’m like very focused on work and like. That’s like my husband’s out there with my daughter. and then the other days I kind of flop it where like, my husband focuses on work and then I am, with my daughter, in the mornings we kind of.
Not that anyone cares about our schedules. Um, but it’s just like, I feel like I’m always in this fight or flight. Like people are like, oh, where’s the next part? And that’s just kind of a little more behind the scenes. And it’s kind of wild because it’s like anytime I’m in a burnout stage, it’s like you’re doing stuff you love and that’s what’s the hard part.
’cause you’re like, well, like my husband will be like, well, just don’t post something today. And I’m like, but I love the creation. It makes me feel. Valid. It makes me feel like I’m, accomplishing something. It makes me feel like I’m doing something. but at the same time, I think it’s an important lesson.
So for anyone that’s listening and needs this advice, I feel like it’s an important lesson. Like when we get that feeling of burned out, that it’s okay to step back and, , you know. Take a breath and people will survive. If you know nothing is life or death. That’s why I always say I am like, I remember when I did my marketing job, six years ago, and that boss would always say like, you know what, nothing is life or death like seriously, If the sales report doesn’t get done by the end of the week, it’s okay. so that’s a good reminder. You know, it’s like, it’s good to, you know, just take a step back and do something for you. I’ve been trying to do like meditation and stuff too, so that was a rabbit hole. Also, I think I need to stop reading comments.
But anyway, how are you guys doing? I hope you guys are doing great. I just needed to get that out. I feel like there’s like just a lot of like emotion and feeling with this place like that. I’ve lived here for so long and now we’re like in the midst of packing and there’s just all these like last minute things and, um, I talked about it before, just like.
like a crier, or I was a crier more so before my daughter was born, and now I just feel like I’m always like, go, go, go. I don’t always have time to cry, and it’s like, bam, whoa. Everything’s sending me at once. Okay, I’ll stop being boring. You guys are still hanging on with me. Thanks for listening.
Thanks for being here. Like thanks for letting me get vulnerable. there’s more to come. It’s really hard to be vulnerable. It’s really hard to be vulnerable and share, like, as I said, like I’m very private and I think in the nature of the kind of content I do, being skits and telling stories, I’m able to easily hide, right?
Wedding Hot Takes and Wedding Role Expectation
So it’s like if something’s going on here, I don’t have to bring it on camera. I can just. I can just turn on the character from a skit, that makes it a little bit easier. So I’m trying to be a little more vulnerable and allow myself to share more, but it’s really scary. So thanks for being here. All right, let’s jump into some fun stuff.
we’re gonna start with some hot takes, and then we’ll do the blind reaction story. That seems pretty wild. Okay. All right, here we go. Hot takes. Being asked to be a bridesmaid is more of a financial obligation than an honor these days. Ooh. You know, I would kind of have to agree. I would say there’s a lot of people that mean well by who they want ask in their wedding, and it’s still holds true honor.
However, I think we get caught up in the Pinterest wedding and we want all these. Unrealistic expectations. And I’ve read so many stories where it seems like they just want a number. And that’s sad to me because we lose the point of having like a bridesmaid or a groomsman or someone by your side, it’s caught up in what can they do for me?
What money can they put into the wedding? And that’s just not okay. Um. For me, it was more about the actual person, less about what money can they put in or what time can they put in? And your wedding, like to you, it’s the most important day. But to everybody else, it’s, just another day.
Their lives still move on. So I think we need to remember that. But unfortunately, I do see it many times as being a financial obligation. People are having to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars. I find people writing to me that they’ve gone bankrupt. Because of being in a wedding, and that’s just a true friend would never ha put you in that situation.
Okay. Two plus ones should only be given to couples who have been together for at least a year. Um, I wanna disagree on that. I think it’s just up to the bride and groom. I don’t think it should have to be a certain amount of time. I think, you know, like there’s situations where maybe they’ve just never met your plus one.
They never go to anything. So they have no relationship with them, Do they need to be obligated to invite the person? No, I don’t think so. Especially if you live like outta state, you never see them. but then there’s other couples. Maybe they meet you right away or maybe they meet your plus one right away.
You always hang out so. I don’t think it should matter that you haven’t been together a year. And then some weddings just give plus ones to everybody. I remember going to a wedding where my mom’s friend once years ago, and I got a plus one. I was 19. I wasn’t even, no, maybe 19 or 20, and I was not even planning on bringing a plus one.
I was like, oh, I guess I was bringing my friend from college. So yeah. Number three, if you can’t afford to attend a destination wedding, You shouldn’t feel guilty saying no. No matter how close you are to the couple, yes, 100%. You should not feel guilty about not attending a destination wedding.
It is a request. It’s an invitation, not a demand. You do not have to be there. That’s why I don’t get, when people say destination weddings are selfish, it’s their wedding. They can do whatever they want for their wedding. It’s not selfish. So just in the same way, it’s not selfish for you to say no. It’s not rude for you to say no if you can’t afford it.
Don’t go. I remember being invited to destination wedding years ago, I wanna say maybe 10 years ago, and, loved the couple. we were pretty close with them. I wouldn’t say like best friends, but pretty close. And I just knew we couldn’t afford it. It was just out of our price range. And we said, no, there was no hard feelings.
We saw them like the following weekend and asked ’em all about it, and it was great. Okay. Four engagement parties are unnecessary. And just another gift grab.
I am gonna say yes, they are unnecessary because I don’t want anyone to feel like you have to have one. So yes, I’m gonna say engagement parties are unnecessary. and. In all of my time of going to many, many weddings, I think I’ve only been to one or two engagement parties, and the ones I’ve been to, no, two, two or three.
The ones I’ve been to were more of like a proposal, like fun, surprise, engagement party after. It wasn’t like a special extra party. It was more like we were all waiting at someone’s house and then the couple came and so it turned into like a little mini engagement party. it was like just immediate family, very simple, just like desserts.
Um, I don’t even think there were gifts that I knew of. So it was very simple. So I think you can do it tastefully, and I think it’s. Totally fine to celebrate as an engagement party, but in general, I think they’re unnecessary. I don’t think you have to have one. There’s a lot of pressure. People feel like they have to, they see these, again, these Pinterest boards or social media like beautiful engagement parties, and they’re like, oh my gosh, another expense.
Like I never once felt like I had to have an engagement party again. when I got engaged, two of our best friend couples were there. when the proposal happened, then it turned into like, oh, we were having champagne with like, four of our closest friends. So if you wanna call that a mini engagement party, but not really, right?
No one else was there. Um, five. It’s rude to have a child free wedding if most of your guests have kids. No, it’s not rude. Again, it’s your choice as the couple getting married. Me personally, if I knew most of my guests, like, had small kids and like had to come with them, like maybe I would reconsider, but like a lot of our friends at the time we got married had kids and most of them were like, we need a night out.
We need a night away. But like for example, one of my, brides mates was like. Going through some family stuff before, and she didn’t know if she had a babysitter. And I was like, bring your daughter to the rehearsal dinner. We will figure it out. Like my first thought wasn’t like, keep kids away. It was like, how can I make sure we help you?
What do you need? And she was like, a persistent. She was like, no, no, no, I’m, not bringing her. I’m just, you know, it’s going on. I was like, okay, well that is an option. I’m not gonna turn you away. Like if you need to bring her, we can keep her occupied. There’s plenty of people here to help. but.
No, I never think, I don’t think it’s rude. I would not think it’s rude if someone invited just me and my husband. There are certain places that are only for adults and that’s okay. Six wedding speeches should be ca at three minutes, no exceptions. I’m gonna say no because I’ve heard some longer ones that are fine, but I would never go over like four, five, absolutely. Tops. They should be capped. I would say like four minutes I think is okay. it also depends on how many people are talking. If you have just one person giving a speech, go wild. Go four or five minutes. If you have multiple, then yes, let’s cut it off at two to three minutes.
Okay. Number seven, if the couple is paying for the wedding themselves, they shouldn’t have to invite extended family. They barely know. Um, 100%. Yeah, you I mean, you should never feel like you have to invite someone you don’t know, even if someone else is paying for it. or paying for part of it.
But that needs to be established ahead of time because we hear those crazy stories where people give money with strings attached and they say, well, you have to invite so and so. So before you accept money from somebody or talk about money, make sure it’s established. Like, this is how we’re having the wedding, though.
We will accept a gift of whatever, but this is how we’re doing it. And then if you feel like any strings are attached, then make sure you, uh, don’t accept that money. Okay. Posting your wedding registry for more than once is tacky. I’m gonna go with posting it at all. Um, I don’t think you should be posting your wedding registry.
Where are you posting it? I think you should put it on your bridal shower invite. And I think you should put it on your wedding website invitation. But posting any kind of registry to your social media? No. If that’s what this is talking about, um, no. We shouldn’t be doing GoFundMe or registries to the public.
people that we’re not inviting to these events, people that we don’t know, why are we accepting gifts from people that we wouldn’t invite to our own wedding? So yeah, posting it, no, we’re not gonna post it. Just give it to people that are invited to different events. Bridesmaids shouldn’t have to pay for their own dresses.
Uh, I go back and forth. I feel like if I were to get married now, I wouldn’t make them pay for it. but that was the only thing. I had them pay for everything else, like was covered and I was like, wear whatever shoes you want. Um, and the dresses were under a hundred dollars, but, So it’s kind of like something that you have to establish ahead of time, saying like, okay, I expect you to buy these dresses.
This is the budget we’re gonna look at. Um, it’s one of those things that communication can really help. but don’t make them pay thousands of dollars for a trip. So, yeah, I don’t know. I, I don’t think. It should be a guarantee, but I think if that’s what you kind of have in mind for your own wedding, just make sure you’re clear about it.
All right, last one. If someone declines your wedding invite, you shouldn’t expect to get a gift. I actually 100% agree with this. I think if you are invited to a wedding, if you are close to that person, you just can’t make it. You should send something. It doesn’t need to be huge. Or it could even just be a card, a small gift card, you know, buy a drink next time or out, whatever that is, depending on how close you are.
But as the bride or groom or anyone getting married, you should not expect a gift. For me, like if people said no, I was not expecting to hear from them or get something extra special from them, I’m like, no, you can just text me thing, like, congratulations. I don’t know. But even then it’s just like, no, I don’t think you should expect it.
People decline for all kinds of reasons. One could be financials, maybe they don’t have the money to do it. And I think if we’re inviting someone, it should be on, be beyond what they’re gonna give us. Okay. Here we go. Let’s get to this week’s blind reaction. My wedding was honestly a nightmare surrounded by difficult personalities with the lead up at just as chaotic.
My husband and I were young living in Boston, trying to plan a wedding that wouldn’t break the bank but would still be meaningful. We decided to put more of our money toward our honeymoon and a future down payment on a home that’s very smart. Uh, we got married in the Boston Common with our reception at the Old State House.
My dad contributed a couple thousand dollars, which helped with catering and deposits, and my father-in-law told my husband he would cover the bar. As the wedding got closer, my father-in-law sent a check for the bar for $100. Inside the car, he wrote that we should use it to buy plenty of milk. I still don’t know what that meant.
Wedding for a Condition
Around the same time during a visit to their house, which for contacts was worth over a million dollars, my father-in-law sat me down and told me I was not allowed to hyphenate my last name. I’m sorry, is he gonna be the one that has your name? Why? Why does that bother him? According to him, I either take their last name fully or call off the wedding.
Those are your only two options. Oh my gosh. I know so many women that kept their own last name because of different accomplishments they had. They wanted to keep it on their own name, or. They, Hyphenated. that’s up to you, not anyone else coming in and saying that his partner, who I’ll just refer to as my mother-in-law, okay.
Kept insisting on specific foods she wanted at the wedding and wouldn’t take no for an answer. They’re contributed a hundred dollars to the bar. They don’t have much strings to pull here.
I finally stood my ground and said, it’s my name and I can do what I want with it. And since you’re not contributing to the wedding, you don’t get a say on food. Yes, yes, yes. That didn’t go over well, but I was done being pushed around. We got married in 2000, 2001, just two weeks after nine 11. So travel was already stressful for my family, who all lived outta state.
My sister Dana arrived with my mom. My parents are divorced and it’s always been tense, and my older sister, Rachel, my maid of honor, arrived with her husband. Rachel had told me she booked a hotel suite for the night before the wedding for the two of us. Then she and her husband would stay there afterward.
She also booked a separate room for my husband and me the night of the wedding. That’s very nice. In another room for Dana and my mom. Okay. So she’s got two sisters, Dana and Rachel. Parents are divorced. okay. Rachel is the maid of honor they arrived with. Okay, got it. Got it, got it. Okay. We’re getting this, I feel like I’m always learning these new family trees and then I feel like you guys listening to the Bri all skit and you’re like, um, I don’t understand these connections.
I get it. It’s, it’s very confusing. Okay.
The plan was for Rachel to stay with me the night before the wedding while Dana stayed with my mom and family. The day before the wedding, Rachel and I were running all over the city, finishing last minute tasks. Everything was taking longer than expected. Meanwhile, my mom and Dana were at my aunt’s house about 45 minutes outside the city.
My mom insisted I pick them up later that night so we could all check the hotel later. As the day ran late, I asked her to find another ride since we were already behind. She refused.
Wow. I, there’s something that drives me so crazy about people running late for someone else’s event, like, can you not get it together for one day? Especially a mom like you need to get your shit together. Oh my gosh. So at 11:00 PM I was driving 45 minutes out of the city to pick them up. Sorry. Uh, why is that the bride’s problem?
Oh my gosh, that is wild. Okay. Loading all of my mom’s bags into the car, trying not to ruin my freshly done nails. And then driving back, we finally get to the hotel around midnight and That’s when I found out Rachel had actually booked the only suite for herself and her husband in a regular room for me.
Oh my gosh. No, that’s, oh, no. It’s so disappointing. Okay. At that point, I was too exhausted to even react. I went to bed the next morning, I went to check into my room and started to get ready and was told I didn’t have one. Apparently my reservation had been made at their sister hotel 20 minutes outside the city.
How did her sister mess it up though? Because when you’re on making a reservation, you’re on the one site, so unless she added this room later, you could just say, add a second room, and then it’s all billed together. Apparently my reservation had been made at their sister hotel, 20 minutes outside the city.
While I was trying to fix the situation at the front desk, Dana walked up mid-conversation and interrupted me and said, I thought you were taking me to the store to get a Pepsi. What? I looked over at her and said, you’re older than me. I think you can handle crossing the street to get that one.
Eventually the hotel sorted it out, and I finally got a room. Oh my gosh. I went upstairs and started getting ready, trying to relax. Then it started raining for my outdoor wedding. I ignored it, hoping it would pass while I was doing my makeup. I pulled out a new lipstick I had just bought. Dana walked in and said she loved it and tried to use it.
“It’s About the Mother”
I literally had to take it back from her and explain that. No, I will not be sharing my lipstick on my wedding day. Oh my gosh. Once I was fully dressed, I walked into the room where my mom was expecting at least some kind of reaction. Instead, she looked at me and said, you know, weddings are really about the mother of the bride.
What? This is actually my day. I can’t believe when people say this is, did this really happen? Dude, no. They’re really about the mother of the bride. How full of yourself can you be? I looked straight at her and said, no, it’s not. She just laughed and walked away. Thankfully, the rain stopped and we headed to the Boston Common, but when we arrived, another couple had started setting up a wedding in our exact spot.
Guests Taking It Too Far
My husband showed them our permit, and even though they admitted they didn’t have one. They just asked for a few minutes. 30 minutes later, we were finally able to start the ceremony. When it came time for photos, I started noticing everything else. My father-in-law showed up wearing navy sweatpants in a stained sweatshirt.
Can we now get it together for one day? People are late. You’re showing up like in your holy, like old Holy, I guess shouldn’t say it was holy, but stained sweatshirt. Come on. One of my husband’s friends brought a random date he just met earlier. What, despite not being given a plus one, and she was very clearly not dressed for the occasion, someone else brought their 11 month old baby to our child free wedding, which upset my cousin who had followed the rules and left her kids at home.
That’s the thing too, that really sucks when you have a child free wedding and someone breaks the rules and they’re either just like, allow them or they sneak in. Then the people who actually did, you know, try to get a babysitter. Follow the rules, you know, whatever that looks like. That’s disappointing to them.
’cause they’re like, well, this person was able to do it. So follow the rules. don’t be an a-hole at the reception. My mother-in-law began hovering around the waitstaff, grabbing food of trays off as soon as she, as soon as they came out, okay. At one point, she literally reached between two guests to take their last appetizer before one of them could grab it.
Oh my gosh. Then started stashing the food away instead of eating it. We eventually had to tell her to stop. Then my father-in-law looked at me and said, nice dress. See what a little makeup can do for you. Gross. Okay. This father-in-law is gross. Why is he making comments about like, You have to change your last name or just not get married.
You have to do like, he’s so gross to me. One of my husband’s friends overheard and added, yeah, a nice dress. It looked even better on the floor while nudging me and laughing. Ew. Immediately excused from the wedding. Which husband’s friend? Is he still friends with this person? ’cause that’s a red flag that would make me so incredibly uncomfortable.
Your husband should not be okay with him being your friend or with his friend being like that. Shortly after my cousin handed me her phone and said someone just wanted to talk to me. It was her daughters yelling at me for having a kid’s free wedding and calling me a horrible person. Okay, I get it. Now, you guys, sometimes you guys will be like, these stories sound fake.
This sounds so like wild. And I’m not. Of course, like someone sent this to me. I’m like, what? They’re gonna hand the phone to a bride and say like, you’re horrible. You didn’t invite us. Like, oh my gosh. At that point, I was completely drained. After the reception, we changed and went out to the bar near Fenway.
It was supposed to be the night, just just friends. But my sister insisted on coming. My mom complained until I gave in once there, my sister refused to socialize because she didn’t know anyone, so I ended up sitting with her in a corner all night. Ugh, this makes me so sad for her watching. My husband and our friends actually enjoy themselves.
Eventually I had enough. We went back to the hotel and my husband completely exhausted and drunk, fell asleep almost instantly. The next day, we were supposed to leave for our honeymoon when we found out. The war in Afghanistan had just begun and our international flights were canceled. See, I in 2001, I was in sixth grade, so I don’t remember.
I mean, I remember like finding out about the planes hitting the towers and how terrible and tragic. I remember being terrified. I was in sixth grade, we saw it on tv. Right. So she doesn’t say what month this happens. and I don’t remember, the timeline for this, but I didn’t realize that like I mean, I guess I remember domestic flights getting canceled around nine 11, but wow.
International flights, that takes you back. Okay. At that point I just said, forget it. I rented a car and we drove out west to Utah and Colorado for two weeks. Instead, I turned my phone off the entire time. That was smart. Honestly, I think I enjoyed being away from our families for more, more than the actual honeymoon.
Well, at least you kind of realized at the end of the day like what meant most to you, and at least you guys had that great honeymoon together. But that does suck when there’s so many different angles and people trying to pull away from your day. Weird, weird comments from people. I really hope you’re not friends with that one guy anymore, or the husband’s not.
I could never be around that person again. and the father-in-law, I’m sorry, I’m sorry. I don’t know how you’ll deal with that and what did you end up doing with your last name, I’m guessing, hoping you still hyphenated and don’t let him, convince you otherwise. but it’s really wild.
You know, people comment to comment sometimes, like, well, you’re only getting one person’s perspective. How do you know it’s a hundred percent true? And the honest, I mean, honest to God fact is I, I don’t know. I can never know. People send me stories all the time. We have like 600 plus right now that we are, we sift through every single week.
and you know, we don’t know. Plus, like when something happens to you, you’re gonna view it differently. Even if you’re in the same room as someone, you’re gonna view things differently, tones of voice, how people are standing, like your memory is just gonna hold differently. And so when we’re only getting it from one perspective, of course some things are gonna be like, you know, a little more dramatized or you’re gonna add in extra characters that maybe someone else didn’t notice.
Um. At the end of the day, we’re all entertained, right? Um, and I think we can only take them as, you know, entertainment or lessons for future events or parties or weddings we’re at. Um, don’t be, these people don’t act that way. Just support people. you know, you don’t have to spend hundreds and hundreds on a new dress, but make sure it’s not like stain don’t, like wasn’t something you slept in.
Uh, it’s wild. It’s wild that some of these things have to be said out loud, but, you know, teach their own, I guess. All right. Let’s get into some confessions today. We’ve got a lot going on today, so I should probably get off and get some skits filmed or something. Actually, I have to pack, I, this wallpaper has to go away.
Goodbye wallpaper and they don’t make it anymore. So I can’t, I don’t know. We’ll see what we do at the new place. Alright. I was kicked out of the group family photo as the bride because family only, you know what? I’ve heard of this happening a lot and this is again, one of those things with your relationship and mutual respect because my own wedding, my husband took a picture with his family.
We obviously took one with all of us, but he took one with his immediate family. And I’m not offended by that at all. ‘ cause I feel like that’s important. that’s totally fine. But it was something deliberately where I was like, pushed out of it and were like, oh, we need one without her. But they did those photos separately when I was like, not even out yet.
but again, I would never be offended though if like they were like, oh, we want a picture with just our kids. Yeah, those are your kids and you should have a different relationship with them than me. Um, right after having my son at the next wedding, the mother son dance had me bawling. I couldthose kind of moments hit way differently.
Even just seeing my husband dance with my daughter now I’m like sobbing. I’m like, oh my gosh, I can’t, especially this week. Uh uh. Yeah, those moments just hit differently. I think once you have kids, seeing my friends get married, happy for them. But wish I got married too. Oh, I mean, if that’s something you want, hopefully it happens for you.
I know people don’t always want that kind of like advice, you know. Hopefully your time will come. Um, you know, nothing’s a guarantee, but I think like if you are out there looking for it, your time will come. And, I hear that a lot from, I’ve seen that a lot from people too. It’s hard when it seems like all your friends are married and you’re the only one not married.
I was the last of my friends to get married and I was just excited to support them at that time. And I knew, you know, my time would come eventually.
so for these confessions, I totally forgot to say this, it’s a moment you cried privately at your or someone else’s wedding. I was postpartum and cried at the mother Sundance because I visualized my future. Okay. There’s another one. When I signed the last time with my birth name. Oh wow. I still feel weird.
I’ve been married four years and I still feel weird signing my new last name. I still call it my new last name. I remember saying it to someone and she was like, oh, did you just get married? And I’m like, no, it’s been years and I still like, it’s so weird to me. Like I forget all the time a friend’s wedding with all the people from our squad, except one guy, my fiance.
Okay. Um, my friend looked, my first look with my dad told me it was too late to change anything now, and I do. Your dad said it was too late to change anything now. Oh. Like in a good way. Like, okay, we’re here. Like, just enjoy the day on the cake cutting. When my husband smashed cake all over my face, I cried during cleanup.
Immediate divorce. Immediate divorce. No, it’s not cool to smash cake on your. Partner space. It’s just not, I don’t care. It’s just not. All right guys. That’s all I have for this week. Thanks for hanging out with me. Thanks for letting me be vulnerable. I can’t believe I cried on this episode. hopefully that doesn’t happen again.
Hopefully you guys wanna still visit me next week. but yeah, let’s going on. Hopefully I don’t drive myself crazy. And thanks for being here. Bye now.
The Shawnaverse, Dealing with Grief, and and In-Law Chaos with Shawna Lander
My new book Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story is live!
At what point does “family drama” stop being drama and start being a full-blown red flag?
This episode starts with laughs, storytelling, and Shawna Lander breaking down how she turned real-life motherhood chaos into characters people can’t get enough of. From playing every role to saying the things most moms don’t, she shares what it’s really like behind the scenes, and why those stories hit reality.
Until this week’s submission starts into spirals. What starts as wedding tension turns into manipulation, crossed boundaries, and in-laws who keep pushing further every time you think it can’t get worse. The kind of behavior that makes you stop mid-story and think “this isn’t normal.”
Hear the full story, the warning signs, and what happens when boundaries get pushed too far.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- The Stepmom Meltdown – What starts as wedding planning quickly turns tense when a stepmom’s reaction sets the tone for everything that follows.
- The Dress Disaster – A forgotten wedding dress adds chaos to an already emotionally charged situation.
- Control Disguised as Care – In-laws use guilt, money, and pressure to try to control the couple’s decisions.
- Crossing the Line – In-Law refuses breastfeeding and fed the baby against the mother’s wishes becomes a major breaking point.
- False Accusations – Lies about cheating and relapse show just how far the manipulation goes.
- The Breaking Point – A shocking escalation pushes the situation from toxic to truly alarming.
- Choosing Your Partner – The husband finally recognizes the pattern and takes a stand.
- A Full Circle Ending – The couple rebuilds their life on their terms, with stronger boundaries in place.
- Red Light, Green Light Reality Check – From “just ignore them” to overstepping in-laws, Christa and Shawna call out what’s acceptable, and what’s an immediate ‘no’.
- Real Life Into Characters – Shawna shares how creating characters became a way to tell honest stories about motherhood while still keeping parts of her life private.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “Dynamics just get magnified with children.” – Shawna Lander
- “It’s in the sharing of our stories that we learn” – Shawna Lander
- “If he’s not standing up for you, he’s not putting you first.” – Shawna Lander
- “You can understand where it’s coming from, but that doesn’t make it okay”– Shawna Lander
- “I want to make things that help people feel seen and validated” – Shawna Lander
- “The journey is what makes the process even better.” – Christa Innis
- “ If you really want to move forward in your marriage, you have to make a choice.” – Christa Innis
- “So many things just come down to mutual respect.” – Christa Innis
- “ The beauty with entertainment and creation is being able to connect with people” – Christa Innis
- “Lesson of the day: Just invite the people you wanted.” – Christa Innis
*This conversation is for entertainment and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Please seek a licensed professional for your specific situation.
About Shawna Lander
Shawna Lander is a creator and storyteller known for bringing relatable, and often chaotic, family dynamics to life through her viral name, Shawna the Mom. By playing multiple characters herself, she explores the realities of motherhood, relationships, and family reality in a way that feels both entertaining and uncomfortably real.
Shawna shares how becoming a mom shifted her creative path, why she started telling the stories she felt were missing online, and how her work is rooted in helping people feel seen, validated, and understood through storytelling.
Her content says the quiet parts out loud, using characters and humor, but always rooted in something real.
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Blog Transcript:
Note: We use AI transcription so there may be some inaccuracies
Christa Innis: Hi, Shawna.
Shawna Lander: Hi Christa.
Christa Innis: Hi. How’s it
Shawna Lander: going?
Christa Innis: Good. I’m so happy to talk to you. I, I was just saying for recording, I feel like you are the number one person that I feel like people request to come on the podcast. People just love you.
Shawna Lander: That’s Oh, that’s so sweet. I can’t believe that people, I don’t know, wanna hear my opinion on this kinda stuff.
Fun.
Christa Innis: No. Yeah. I mean, I just, I feel like you’ve just started such a, um. An amazing art on social media, and of course we’ll get into, you know, everything that you do. But starting off, can you just tell everybody a little bit about you and we’ll kind of just go from there. I mean, I know it’s probably a funny question ’cause you’re like, where do I start?
Shawna Lander: I know, right? Yeah. Um, and this, it’s so funny because I am on social media, but I’m not really on social media. I put characters on social media and so Yeah, I understand the question. Um, okay, so I’m a mom of two and an actress and a writer, and I never know what else you wanna know about me. I’m researching genealogy right now for my family’s lineage.
Christa Innis: Oh, I love that. No, I,
Shawna Lander: oh my gosh. I know I’ve gotten so into it.
Christa Innis: I feel like it’s, it’s interesting because for one of my skits, I just like tried drawing a family tree and I’m like, I don’t, I’m totally butchering this. I don’t know how genealogy and all that is supposed to work. Yeah.
Shawna Lander: Yeah. It’s the craziest thing I’ve found, uh, ancestors going back, like, um, I think it’s three great, great greats now, uh, but like on both sides of my family and I’m like, oh, my family’s been all over the country, all over the US and, um, originally from like, not the US at all.
And so I’m like, oh my God, we’re immigrants.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Shawna Lander: Very fun.
Christa Innis: I love that. It’s so interesting to like learn about your heritage and like where your family lived and I love that stuff.
Shawna Lander: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Um, but it’s interesting you say like, people know me, but not really me because of all the characters you play. And what do you think, like starting off, like what do you think is like kinda led you that direction?
Like when you, I know you’re sitting, you’re an actress, you’ve kind of always. Been in the area of content creation. So for you, I think that’s really interesting because I feel that too sometimes. Like I kind of like, and I don’t wanna put words in your mouth, but sometimes I’m able to like hide behind characters in a way.
Shawna Lander: Oh, totally.
Christa Innis: I don’t like sharing personal things on social media. So is that kind of where you are with it or how does that kind of tie in you think?
Shawna Lander: I mean, it already, it always started for me as um, a creative outlet because I’m an actor and so I wanted to act. I had a baby so I couldn’t go to set. Um, and then also I had a baby and I looked down at this beautiful, perfect little creature and I was like, well, this is nothing like I ever expected it to be.
Uh, why aren’t we telling the real story of how this goes? And, uh, so world’s combined. And I was like, I can actually tell these kinds of stories. And so that’s how I got started doing skits on social media. It kind of ticked a lot of boxes for me. I got to act, I got to actually talk about what this is really like.
Um, becoming a mom and, well, I guess those are the only two boxes, but checked to both.
Christa Innis: Yeah. But I feel like the relationship dynamic too, in all your skits is so interesting and I think people learn so much better and like understand or relate through storytelling so much better than just like you coming on the screen and being like, Hey, this is motherhood.
It’s more like you’re able to see like, oh, this, I went through this thing and you so, um, beautifully down on paper for me.
Shawna Lander: Hmm. Yeah. Um, I think that’s true. I think that if you listen to like marginalized folks, they always say, you know, representation matters. And I think that the story of motherhood, um, and really relationships kind of from.
The point of view of a woman who’s going through this transition. It’s not really something that’s been explored a whole lot, or at least not something that I’ve really seen. And so that’s really, uh, has been my impetus.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I love that. So I know I’m kind of,
Shawna Lander: you answer your previous question and yes, I absolutely, uh, get to hide, but that’s kind of the nature of acting.
I mean, I got into it because of acting, not necessarily because I wanted to be on social media, but
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Shawna Lander: You know?
Christa Innis: Yeah. But I think that’s the beauty of social media too, is that you can create your own verse, your own universe, your own Oh my god, universe, and Yeah.
Shawna Lander: It’s phenomenal. Yeah, exactly.
Christa Innis: And especially when you talk about with being a mom like that, what, what a beauty to be able to like do it in your own flexibility, your own space.
Yeah. Create these own characters. And you are, you’re the producer, the actor, the writer. Mm-hmm. So for anyone that doesn’t know because I kind of jumping the gun, ’cause I’m, I’m like geeking out. I’m so excited. But for anyone that hasn’t fallen down the Shawna verse how, like rabbit hole, how can you explain it to them?
Like how did it kind of get started and what’s this world that you’ve created online?
Shawna Lander: Oh man. Well, I, it started out as standalone skits about becoming a mother, about mom life. Um, and it. Included a couple of characters here and there, recurring people, like a husband character. Uh, eventually there was a mother-in-law character.
And then from the reaction to these characters, people started asking for more types of characters. So I ended up with a sister-in-law character who was kind of terrible. Um, that was by request. And then when I had like a sort of a, a terrible matriarch and a terrible sister-in-law, I then needed a wonderful matriarch.
And so that’s how the, uh, the, the main mom, the Shawna character’s mother was born. Um, and then once I had kind of several characters that would recur, uh, it got, it became really interesting me to me to think about what would these characters do in like a long form storyline and particularly the sister-in-law character who was always really horrible to Shawna, the mom character.
Um. What would happen to that terrible sister-in-law character if she got pregnant and endured the transformation required to become a mother. And so that’s how the story, that’s how the storyline was born.
Motherhood, Creativity, and Real Stories
Christa Innis: I love that. I love how you have kind of the antagonist and protagonist kind of showing different relationships of like how they work through different stages.
Um, and especially like tying in the motherhood aspect of like being a new mom versus maybe like a mom from like the previous generation, how they parent. Yeah. So what do you think like your biggest challenges have been with like demonstrating something from like, thought to onscreen?
Shawna Lander: Uh, fantastic question.
Um, I don’t know how to answer that.
Christa Innis: That’s okay. Kind of just like, can you, I mean, I. Can I say it like, I saw your episode about the miscarriage and I was just so blown away with how you represented that so beautifully. I mean, I was just like, I was like, what an amazing like world we’re living in where someone can put this art on screen and just make us feel collectively together.
So I wanna applaud you for that, but I mean, I had to be like very challenging to kind of think of how are people reacting to this? What’s an emotion people might have? Um, so that was one that, like, when I was writing this question, I was like, that’s something that like came to mind for me.
Shawna Lander: Yeah. Uh, I wanted to represent grief with that storyline.
Um, it’s just about the worst thing that could happen to anyone is to, um, have the possibility of a baby or want a baby, you know, have a child, and then to lose your child. Worst thing that anyone could go through. Uh, I went through breast cancer and, um, so going through treatment and stuff, you know, I faced mortality.
There’s a lot of grief involved in that.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Shawna Lander: Um, and so, you know, I’ve had grief in my own life. I’ve touched grief, I’ve been touched by grief. Um, and when you’re going through something that it that huge, it, um, it like changes you fundamentally, I feel like I’m changed on a cellular level because of some things that I’ve gone through.
And I think it’s no different losing a child like that. Um, and at the same time, it’s something that’s not talked about a whole lot and, um, uh, something that is really challenging in the US right now. Um, and yeah. And so I just, I wanted to represent. All the women that have, have been through it. And this, the entirety of everything that I’ve done on social media has always been, um, because when I had my baby, I felt like I haven’t seen anything that is representing how I’m feeling, what I’m going through right now.
Mm-hmm. Um, and so I want to make things that help people feel seen and feel validated.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Cancer and Starting Over
Shawna Lander: And so I talk about family dynamics, I talk about, um, you know, maybe the just stuff I haven’t seen talked about enough.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I feel like it’s like the beauty with like entertainment and creation is being able to connect with people or see things that maybe you, um, had, had never seen before, but you experienced it for yourself and you’re like, how do I deal with these feelings?
Um,
Shawna Lander: yeah.
Christa Innis: So you talk about being diagnosed with breast cancer, and I think I read it was like 2021. And so you started making content before.
Shawna Lander: Yeah.
Christa Innis: And then content after. So how do you think you as, I mean, I’m sure this is a very loaded question, so feel free to answer how you want, but how do you think that affected you before versus after in motherhood and your storytelling?
Um, ’cause I know you also shared about your journey with breast cancer on social media as well.
Shawna Lander: Yeah, it was, um, uh, really kind of a, a beautiful thing to like experience witness firsthand, I guess experience. But, um, I, I, I, it’s sort of strange. I’m sort of divorced in my mind from that time period in my life.
And so it does sort of thing seem like it’s something that I witnessed rather than something I went through, which I probably need to unpack, but one step at a time. Um, so I started with content making, making skits about being a mom. Uh, and I had just had my second, I had been doing content for a while, but nothing gained any traction until I got on TikTok.
Okay. Um, and when I got on TikTok, I saw. Other people making skits, talking to themselves. Mm-hmm. Everything I had done up to that point, I put my husband, my real life husband in the skits and it took forever. And, uh, it’s way harder to coordinate two people’s schedules. Um, especially ’cause he was the, the breadwinner.
And so he was at work, I was at home, I had tons of free time, uh, to think up all these stories and, you know, write them down. And he didn’t have that time. Uh, so I got on TikTok and I was like, what? I could just do it all myself. Okay. And so that’s how that began. And I just started making a little skit a day.
Um, just this personal challenge. Can I do one every single day? Just these one-off little stories. And I found that I could. Um, and they got, they were received well, people liked them. And then one day I couldn’t put a, a skid up because I had to go get a mammogram ’cause I had felt something. Mm. So I came online and I was like, ah, sorry.
No skit today. I have to go get a mammogram. And so then naturally people were like, update us. And uh, so then the diagnosis came, uh, not too, not too long after. And I was like, oh, well, okay, so it is, it is cancer. Uh, that sucks. And, um, everyone was incredibly supportive. They had liked what I had done skit wise, and they felt seen and supported by that work.
And so people came out in droves to be like, we support you. And it was like the most touching thing, um, that could have ever happened at that, that point in time. Uh, because my personal life people, family and friends around me didn’t handle it quite as well and were not quite as supportive. And, uh, so it was like I had this.
This, I don’t know, worldwide community of people like lifting me up. And it was instrumental, like it really got me through it. Um, and then fun fact about going through cancer treatment, um, coming out of the other, the other end of it, you have all this, this drive and will to live when you’re going through treatment and then you get out of treatment and you’re like, yes.
And then nothing happens and everything just sort of is dead air. And so you, you get this, this feeling of like, oh my God, what now? And what did I fight so hard for? Because it’s just this place of sta stagnancy. So I had a little identity crisis.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Shawna Lander: I’m, it was actually a very big one, but I threw myself back into posting, so I reposted all my old skits and that gave me time because you’re also really, really tired and like really recovering after going through five months of chemo, um, and surgery.
And so that gave me, reposting. All my old skids gave me time to sort of like, get my brain around how do I write these stories again and how do I make these again? And then, uh, it was very shortly after that that I started the storyline.
Christa Innis: Wow.
Shawna Lander: That was a long answer.
Christa Innis: No, that was so beautifully said though, because I feel like people want to hear the journey and I feel like the journey is what makes.
The process even better, right? It’s like, I feel like so many times focus on the finish line, but the journey is like, what makes it matter? If that makes sense.
Shawna Lander: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. It’s been quite a journey. Um, I think I probably my next move is to, like I said a minute ago, to unpack all of that. So I probably will start unpacking it online.
Yeah. Everything else is been online, so it might as well,
Christa Innis: right? Yeah, because I feel like you are probably just like, let’s get to this next thing. And you’re probably just, it’s almost like that. Uh, what do they say? Like, uh, when you’re, you’re chasing, you’re, if you’re chasing the next thing, you kind of like, don’t necessarily process what happened here, like the past.
Um, ’cause I mean, I noticed Yeah. Which I think for,
Shawna Lander: what were you gonna say?
Christa Innis: No, you, I’m sorry. You go ahead.
Shawna Lander: Which I think for me is necessary. Uh, or at least in that moment, like I really couldn’t process it. I had to. I had, I needed a focus, um, to be able to sort of let the emotionality of all of it kind of be, um, I had to, I had, and I needed a focus.
So this has been incredibly helpful for me personally.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Shawna Lander: And I wrote a book.
Christa Innis: Yes. I was gonna ask you about that. Like what’s, what’s next for you? What are you working on? I know you are writing a book and this is more of your personal story. Yeah. This is separate from Shawna verse, this is the real Shawna story.
Correct?
Shawna Lander: Yes. Yeah. Um, that’s another thing. When I started skits, people were like, this lady’s miserable. She does, is complain. Um, but I never was talking about my personal life. I was like, this, these are just the kinds of things moms go through. And so this is, um, the story of what it was like for me to.
Decide I want a baby, then get pregnant, then go through pregnancy, then have a, this is the story of me becoming a mom and therefore finding my artistic voice and starting on social media.
Christa Innis: I love that. So how did you decide, like as you’re like doing the writing process, how did you decide what things you wanted to include?
What things you wanted to exclude?
Shawna Lander: Hmm. Um, I think just when I reflected back on the time period, it was just the big things that happened, and so I just kind of wrote them in chronological order. Um, and I, when, you know, when you have a baby, you, it’s sort of, um, time isn’t really linear. And so once the baby comes in, the storyline, it kind of goes back and forth, back and forth, back and forth because ugh, that’s what it’s like.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Memories are weird. I was just, my daughter turned three this week and literally like the night before her birthday, my husband and I were just like, after she went to bed, my husband and I were just like. A mess. Like I’m just like, oh
Shawna Lander: yeah,
Christa Innis: oh my gosh. Like, and it kind of like kinda what we’re just talking about.
It was like when you’re kind of moving, like to get through this day, get through this lesson, this, you know, whatever, motherhood, all of a sudden you’re like, where’d the last year ago? What did,
Shawna Lander: yeah.
Christa Innis: And it’s wild because we’re so, we’re so, like as parents, I feel like getting through this task or this task, okay, nap time.
Okay, bedtime, you know, all these things. And you’re like, wait, did I soak it in enough? Was I, you know, it’s just like all those like questions of motherhood,
Shawna Lander: torture yourself and then it’s the end of the night you put the baby down and then you’re like looking through the photos from the day.
Christa Innis: Yes. So I feel like one of the most wild things of like, and I heard it obviously, like when I was pregnant or before I had my daughter.
Yeah. People would talk about how like, oh yeah, you get them down to bed and then you miss them. And I was like, what? Literally I’d be staring at her monitor. I’m like, oh, she’s so cute. Oh, is
Shawna Lander: she?
Christa Innis: Yeah. And then I’m like,
Shawna Lander: we
Christa Innis: just
Shawna Lander: please don’t wake up.
Christa Innis: I know. It’s like you focus so long on getting them to bed and then they go to bed and you’re like, oh, I miss them.
Oh, look how cute. She’s when she sleeps. And then I’m like, it’s an hour. And I’m like, okay, I should probably go to bed myself. But, um, I love that. So when, when do you plan on releasing your book or what’s like kind of that process looking like for you?
Shawna Lander: Yeah, so I, uh, don’t know anything about having, writing a book and being out there.
So, um, it releases the release date’s October 20th and there’s a marketing team and, uh, we’re gonna like market it and maybe I’m gonna do a tour. I don’t really know.
Christa Innis: Okay.
Shawna Lander: Don’t ask me these kinds of questions.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Shawna Lander: I don’t
Christa Innis: dunno. You’re like, I dunno. Yeah, you’re in the process right now. No, I love that. I think that’s amazing.
So with outside of writing the book, working on this series, which I’m sure that takes up most of your time, what’s kinda your process for the series? Like, do you always know what’s gonna happen? Do you have it all like written out? Are you kind of like, Ooh, this would be good? I’m gonna throw this in there.
Shawna Lander: Yeah, no, it’s both. I outline it so it’s outlined through the year, um, wow. Year and I did this in past year. Yeah. Yeah. It’s, uh, you know, this is like, these are the big beats of what’s gonna happen in the story. Yeah. So Shawna losing the baby last year, that was planned in January. Um, and then so, so there this year we’ve got the things that are planned, but there’s always room for.
Uh, something that comes to me and it’s the most fun in the writing process when I’m sitting there writing the scene when something surprises me when a character says something and I’m like, shut up. So I get to live it in the writing process. Um, yeah, and it it, so the It’s both the answer’s both. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I love that. And you, you’re so like, I feel like you’re so organized with your, your right. Like you, I dunno if this is the right word, but com I feel like you compartmentalize everything a little bit better because I’m like, I do the skit stuff, but I’m so all over the place and I’m in the first, I’m like, let’s see what happens today.
I like do some like, but I feel like you do a great job of like writing it out and you’re like, okay, today’s like a filming day and I’m filming this character.
Shawna Lander: Oh, yeah.
Christa Innis: And your outfit changes. It’s so well done. So for anyone that hasn’t watched, like you get in the Shawna verse, I mean, I’m just always so mess rise.
I’m like, how am I watching? One person on screen, but you do each person so well individually. It’s, it’s amazing.
Shawna Lander: Thank you. You’re, um, you’re making me blush I love your stuff too. So, uh, where do you get inspiration? Where do you get your storylines?
Christa Innis: It’s wild. I mean, so I went to school for writing and so I’ve always like created story.
Oh. And yeah, so like, but I kind of lost it in the mix because when I graduated from college, I went into marketing and social media right away. And so I kind of stopped creating for myself and I was working with other brands. I would create social media and it was my maternity leave where ah, I literally that magical time,
Shawna Lander: I’m telling you like, have a baby, you become your most creative self.
It’s insane.
Christa Innis: It’s wild. I know. I remember talking to a mom friend when I was pregnant and she owns a business, um, like a design business and. I was like, how do you get stuff done? She’s like, I’m telling you, something happens. She’s like,
Shawna Lander: yeah,
Christa Innis: my son naps. And I’m just like, I only have an hour. Let me see what I can get done.
And
Shawna Lander: yeah.
Christa Innis: Kind of thing happened, but, and I think I was so used to like working a lot, not necessarily a workaholic, but before my daughter was born, I was like the person, I would stay late in the office, I’d be working at night on my phone, and so. During maternity leave. I was like, when she’s like napping on me, I was like, what am I gonna do?
And then like started.
Shawna Lander: Yeah, because your brain is going, you can’t move but your brain. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And so like, it kind of started with like, I was in a ton of weddings in my like twenties and early thirties that I was like, I would always hear wedding drama stories and like I would see things and I would see how like crazy some family members could be.
And so I was like, so I kind of started with like a crazy like little skit with like just two people. Never did like a long storyline, but then people just wanted more. And so
Shawna Lander: people want it, people want the drama.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah. And so like that kind of like you kind of said like throwing yourself into this new verse and like creating these characters that kind of brought back the spark of like, yes, I love creating, I love writing.
So yeah. Gotta thank the TikTok.
Shawna Lander: Cool.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Shawna Lander: Thank you. Social media, you know, that we’re able to, to create, we have a place to put it.
Christa Innis: I know I always think about when I see people on here creating these stories or you know, whether no matter what kind of content they create, it’s like so much opportunity out there that I feel like was not there before.
Because it’s like if you don’t have a direct contact with like Hollywood or this like that never would’ve happened.
Shawna Lander: Yeah, yeah. I agree.
Christa Innis: Yeah, so it’s amazing.
Shawna Lander: And that really was like the traditional route. When I got started, I really thought, oh, I’ll put some skits on the internet. Maybe someone will see them and they’ll be like, you know, by the time I’m ready to get back to set when the kid’s a toddler or something, um, somebody I, you know, somebody will see my stuff and they’ll be like, you, obviously you.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Shawna Lander: I really thought that’s the way it would go. I did not think the audience would come to me.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Because now you have full creative control and you can make Yeah. It as unhinged or as serious. Yeah.
Shawna Lander: Yeah. It’s,
Christa Innis: yeah.
Shawna Lander: No, no barriers.
Christa Innis: People are always like, because I have a wild character Kate in my storylines, and they’re like, oh, I would love to see Kate and Barb go at it.
’cause like is like the wild Did
Shawna Lander: do that, that would be so fun. We could figure out a way to do that.
Christa Innis: That’d be so fun. I know. ’cause I always see like, I see like Barb and I’m like, oh yeah, we’ve got that same kind like idea of like that, that mother-in-law character. But um, yeah, it’s funny. What’s the most like
Shawna Lander: in the world?
I feel, I feel for her, you know, she’s having a hard time, but she does indeed exist in the world and make things hard for others.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I know. And like you think all these like stories, like they, you’re like, especially like when I like create stuff, I’m like, oh, this is like so wild. No one would actually do this.
Yeah. And then I, people comment and they’re like, my mother-in-law did this or my cousin did this, my uncle, you know, it happened. Yeah. It’s wild.
Shawna Lander: Yeah. A hundred percent happened.
Christa Innis: People are not What’s the most, um, unhinged thing you think Barb has done before in your story?
Shawna Lander: Oh lord. Um, hold on, let me think back.
Um, I mean, it’s pretty unhinged of her to try and beat up Deedee. Mm-hmm. She tried to beat up Shawna’s mom.
Christa Innis: I remember
Shawna Lander: that. Um, that, that was pretty unhinged. It. She ruined Jen’s proposal. That was terrible on Christmas. Oh, so she ruined Christmas and the proposal. That was awful. Um, yeah, those are, those are those two things.
Christa Innis: Those are big
Shawna Lander: ones. Those pretty good. She showed up at the elementary school. That was pretty bad too. She’s Oh,
Christa Innis: that one.
Shawna Lander: Cool. What about Katie,
Christa Innis: Kate? She, um, oh gosh. Is it
Shawna Lander: Kate?
Christa Innis: Kate.
Shawna Lander: Kate. Okay.
Christa Innis: So she, the series started off as, um, boyfriend’s mom. She tries to show up at proposal, so, oh, that way ended up turning into your,
Shawna Lander: that’s such a barb.
What a barb thing to do. What
Christa Innis: a Kate. So, yeah, so she, when he said, Hey, I want a surprise, I wanna surprise Sloan, my girlfriend, um, and Santa Monica to propose. She goes, let’s make it a family vacation. And she like, wants to show up. Um, and she ends up, um, trying to plan a whole family vacation. So he goes a week early so she can’t show up.
Oh. But then there’s like many things where she tries showing up at the bachelorette party, but she’s just constantly rude to slo his girlfriend or now fiance. So yeah, it’s like any kind of wild thing you can think of, she’s,
Shawna Lander: yeah. See family dynamics fascinate me to no end because she’s only wigging out like this.
No. In her family she doesn’t. Uh, and she’s trying to, she’s trying to like insert herself so that she’s not left out. She’s not forgotten. You know what I mean? Like, I get, I get what’s going on in that brain, but that’s crazy unhinged behavior.
Christa Innis: Yes. It’s that like controlling of like, um, you don’t want your son, you don’t wanna be left behind like they don’t want.
Exactly. Son. Yeah. So you can see where it comes from, but then yeah, I can
Shawna Lander: totally know where it comes from.
Christa Innis: Cody. Yeah. I can see Cody where they can’t actually see like, I’m damaging this relationship. I’m not actually Exactly. Making him want to be closer to me. I’m pushing him. Yeah. Making,
Shawna Lander: yeah. It’s, they forget that, um, you know, this is, this isn’t an autonomous person, you know, they, they only identify with them as like, um, how it pertains to them.
Like, this is, this is my son, not, this is. A person, and I may be overstepping a line here,
Christa Innis: right? It’s the, the en mesh enmeshment, the, yeah. A limb of theirs almost.
Shawna Lander: Yes.
The Red Flags: Red Light and Green Light
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh my gosh. I love it. Yeah. Barb, Barb and Kate, keeping us on our toes. Awesome. Okay, so let’s get, before we get into this week story submission, I like to do a little like red light, green light thing, um, where I’ll read like a sentence and you just tell me if it’s a red light or green light.
I think most will be pretty, it’s kind of on like,
Shawna Lander: like good to go or like, don’t do that.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Shawna Lander: So red light stop, green light. Okay. Got it.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Shawna Lander: Let’s do it
Christa Innis: kind of related to like weddings or family dynamics. Okay. In-laws showing up unannounced at to your house.
Shawna Lander: Red light
Christa Innis: parents commenting on how to raise your kids
Shawna Lander: red light.
Christa Innis: Someone saying, I
Shawna Lander: guess it depends on your relationship, but Go Red light.
Christa Innis: I know. I feel like so many things depend on like mutual respect. Yeah. Like if you have a good relationship and they’re like helpful. I think it’s different. Um, someone’s saying, I’m just being honest before criticizing you,
Shawna Lander: red light
Christa Innis: is my all be red lights.
Um, a partner saying just ignore them when there’s family drama.
Shawna Lander: Red light,
Christa Innis: a partner.
Shawna Lander: Oh, see, I’m, I’m like, hmm, I’m getting mad. Wanting to explain. Listen.
Christa Innis: Because the number of stories I get too, where they’re like, the fiances no where to be seen in this story. And it’s like the woman or whoever the main person is having to deal with the mother-in-law.
And there’s I
Shawna Lander: love that.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And there’s no one helping them. It’s just like, oh, just ignore her. This is her. Listen.
Shawna Lander: That is his family. Oh my God. If he’s not standing up for you, walk away. That’s terrible.
Christa Innis: Then you’re having to deal with that the rest of your marriage. If he
Shawna Lander: doesn’t, he’ll never stand up for you.
If it’s in early stages and he’s not standing up for you with his family, he is not putting you first, my darling. And then that’s just gonna get worse. Especially with children.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah.
Shawna Lander: Dynamics just get magnified with children. Go on.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Go on.
Shawna Lander: Yes.
Christa Innis: Um, posting about family drama online?
Shawna Lander: Well, I mean, I do it not my own family.
Christa Innis: Put their.
Shawna Lander: I would say real family drama is a, a red light, fake family drama is a green.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah. It’s funny ’cause when I first started doing skits, I dunno if you get these comments from people that maybe like haven’t seen your stuff before, but when I first started it, a woman would comment and be like, how dare you air your dirty laundry online?
This is so shameful to your family. And I was like, this is not my trauma.
Shawna Lander: Yes. I get those. I still to this day get those questions and people now going like, what is this? Is this her real life? Like this is why I wrote the book. No, no, this is not my real life. Let me tell you my real life, which I’m now starting to regret.
Anyway, cut that part out. Just kidding by the book. My publisher’s gonna be so mad at me. I’m like, why was I so honest?
Christa Innis: I know. Well, it’s hard. It’s hard ’cause like, you know, people. I don’t know. I feel like especially too, when you’re used to like sharing characters, but people wanna see that side of you too because they like, like I said, they love you and they love your characters.
So like it’s exciting to get a story that they haven’t necessarily gotten the full story of, you know, they’ve gotten maybe like sneak bit. So yeah.
Shawna Lander: That’s fun. It was exciting for me ’cause it’s like a new creative outlet.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Shawna Lander: A new way to be creative.
Christa Innis: Do you enjoy, sorry, I’m kind of like going back, but like, do you enjoy, I know you write with Shawna verse, but
Shawna Lander: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Do you enjoy the writing or the acting more?
Shawna Lander: Oh my gosh, I know. Yeah. Um, so it was always acting, always, always, always my whole entire life. And then, uh, at some point I looked up in my twenties, I was writing. All throughout my twenties, I wrote like short films and I wrote feature length films. Um, I used to, I wrote stories as a kid.
My very first short film ever I made, when I was like 13, I wrote it and made my friend act in it with me. We gave her leukemia. So this is, I’m true to this. I knew to this. Um, but yeah. But I never knew I was a writer. I just, no one else was writing it, so I wrote it. Mm-hmm. And then one day I looked up and I was like, these are kind of good.
Wait a minute. I kind of like writing these stories. So I think it’s both.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I love that it works so well together. Thanks.
Shawna Lander: Oh, hold on. Wait, sorry. Going back. You are a writer. So do you have, do you wanna do a book? Do you wanna like challenge yourself in that way? So,
Christa Innis: yeah. So I did a book about, um, I came out with my first book last year.
About Ferris and Sloan.
Shawna Lander: Oh my God. Oh my God, that’s genius.
Christa Innis: So yeah. What’s
Shawna Lander: called, what do I not know this?
Christa Innis: It’s called, here Comes The Drama. Do
Shawna Lander: you talk?
Christa Innis: That’s
Shawna Lander: amazing.
Christa Innis: Yeah, so it came out last June and I’m currently writing book number two based on season two. So
Shawna Lander: Ban. Fantastic.
Christa Innis: Yeah. So it’s fun.
Shawna Lander: Is it like, um, what genre would you say?
Christa Innis: It’s like a romantic comedy?
Shawna Lander: Yeah,
Christa Innis: yeah. Um, or romantic dramedy is the more like, I guess official.
Shawna Lander: That is so fun. I am going to go pick this up.
Christa Innis: Yay. Oh my gosh. It’s a fun, like, quick read and I kind of say it’s like a sitcom mixed with a soap opera.
Shawna Lander: Oh
Christa Innis: my
Shawna Lander: God.
Christa Innis: Because that’s why I grew up watching. Yeah.
Yeah.
Shawna Lander: Um,
Christa Innis: did
Shawna Lander: you do an audio book for it?
Christa Innis: I did, but I, I had a voice actor do it because
Shawna Lander: I Oh, you didn’t wanna do it yourself?
Christa Innis: Yeah. Um, I was kind of. I dunno if I should. Well, yeah, it’s whatever. I was kind of talked out of it. I didn’t really want, but I didn’t
Shawna Lander: Oh, terrible.
Christa Innis: Not in a bad way.
Shawna Lander: Okay.
Christa Innis: Like what I was like, what’s the protocol for this?
Shawna Lander: Yeah.
Christa Innis: And I was also, I’m also very insecure with my like, reading voice. I don’t know. Oh my God. Criticize me.
Shawna Lander: You are so cute, darling. Girl. My, my love. No, no, no, no, no. We wanna hear it in your do it over, do it in your voice. The people will love it. This is what the people want.
Christa Innis: Yeah. We’re, we’re working on, well this still, maybe I’ll take, cut this part out, but we’re working on, I’m writing BART two and we wanna, we wanna do, um, book one and two published traditionally now because I did the first one self-published.
So now a literary agent is like,
Shawna Lander: oh my god.
Christa Innis: That’s really because you have the sales to prove it. So like, people
Shawna Lander: want
Christa Innis: this,
Shawna Lander: you know. When behind the scenes everything’s sort of in place because I will totally promo it for you. This is fun. Oh,
Christa Innis: thank you. Yes, I’m excited.
Shawna Lander: And then you should do the audio book and insist you redo the first one and do ’em both.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I think it’s because
Shawna Lander: like, I think, I think,
Christa Innis: I don’t know how to do like character voices. I like, even when I act, I just do like throw ’em in there. So I don’t know. I feel like for like an audio book or not an audio book, an audiobiography, it makes more sense or like a biography, but like, I don’t know.
Yeah, I did the author’s note. So the author’s note is in my voice and then I did like a little thing at the end where I talk about it. Yeah. But um,
Shawna Lander: I’m sure it’s good.
Christa Innis: I’m sure it’s good. Yeah.
Shawna Lander: There’s more talking about
Christa Innis: Yeah, lot of people like to, and, and they let me like listen to multiple people and I gotta pick.
Um, and so I was very involved in the process and so, um, but. Do you see
Shawna Lander: yourself more as the writer than the performer then?
Christa Innis: Yes.
Shawna Lander: Yeah,
Christa Innis: yeah, yeah. That’s where like I, oh,
Shawna Lander: okay.
Christa Innis: Yeah. So, yeah,
Shawna Lander: I take it all.
Christa Innis: I know I kind of worried that wrong, but they were, they were awesome to work with, and they were just like, you can do it.
She’s like, she was like, you just have to like find a studio. And I was like, I think I’d rather hear a voice actor, because I’m not a voice actor, but I’ve heard mixed, like, most people really like the person that did it. And then ours are like, I wish I heard your voice because I’m so used to hearing you in the skit.
But
Shawna Lander: yeah.
Christa Innis: But yeah, no, it was fun because I was able to like, um, kind of go where the skit went, but then I added so much extra dimension and background to the characters.
Shawna Lander: Oh, that’s
Christa Innis: so
Shawna Lander: fun.
Christa Innis: But yeah, and make it like way more unhinged because like, there’s certain things like I, and you probably can relate, but there’s certain things where you’re like, how do I, how do I show this as one person?
Like if this happens or this, or like, you know, so I’m like, okay, I’m gonna, I can do more like. A little more in the writing. I feel like sometimes.
Shawna Lander: Yeah,
Christa Innis: yeah.
Shawna Lander: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Thanks for asking me that. Like,
Shawna Lander: oh yeah, absolutely.
The Wedding Weekend Mess
Christa Innis: I was like, um, all right, let’s get into this week’s story submission. So these are stories that followers sent.
Um, I’ve not read it yet, so we’re gonna react together.
Shawna Lander: Okay. Exciting.
Christa Innis: There you go. Okay. My husband and I got engaged in November. We had intentionally gotten pregnant, partly because we’d only been dating for a short time and knew our families might not understand our decision to marry so quickly. Oh, okay.
So they’re saying bef,
Shawna Lander: oh, but read it again. So they got engaged.
Christa Innis: They got engaged in November. We intentionally got pregnant, partly because we’d only been dating a short time, and our families might not understand our decision to marry so quickly.
Shawna Lander: Okay. So like
Christa Innis: they, they kinda like backwards. They’re like, let’s get pregnant.
So the family accepts. We’re getting married?
Shawna Lander: Yes. Okay.
Christa Innis: Okay. Uh, we are still together now. 11 years later. Okay. That worked out.
Shawna Lander: Good job.
Christa Innis: Good job. We were very excited. After calling my parents, we called his dad and stepmom to tell them the news. We explained that we were planning to either get married at the courthouse or elope in Vegas that same month because he was in the Marine Corps.
Um, and we were about to be separated. His stepmom, no joke, cried, screamed and threw a full meltdown. She said his brother and sister-in-law had left them out of their wedding and that they would be deeply hurt if we did the same to them. So to keep the peace, we agreed to wait a month and get married in the state where they lived in December, around Christmas.
Oh my gosh. I always feel like whenever. Whenever someone’s like, and we agreed. That’s like in the famous last words, because then you’re like, you’re on their boat now.
Shawna Lander: Okay.
Christa Innis: Oh, okay. When we arrived, things immediately felt tense. His stepmom is extremely loud and woke us up early one morning talking loudly in the house.
When she saw me awake, she said, wow, you’re up. I replied calmly. Yeah, I heard you wake up in my family. That kind of comment is playfully teasing and meant to and meant affectionately. She immediately started screaming at me. I apologized and tried to explain, but she wouldn’t let up, and I ended up crying.
The wedding was the next day. That afternoon we were getting our nails done, so I pushed my feelings down and tried to move on the next day. I got ready quietly with no drama, but I was completely alone. None of my family was there, only his to make night. I don’t know. That’s why I’m like, why? Why? You know, that’s interesting.
To make matters worse, my husband had accidentally left my wedding dress back in California. Okay. He had flown. I know. I’m like, what street are you in? How, how can I get there? He had flown later than me and had a free checked back because he was in the Marines, so he had carefully packed my dress to
Shawna Lander: him.
Oh.
Christa Innis: Oh, no. Unfortunately it didn’t make it. Oh, no. I ended up buying a discounted dress from David’s Bridal which thankfully turned out beautifully. I got ready with his stepmom. See, I’d already be like, she doesn’t like me. I’m not getting ready with,
Shawna Lander: I know. Shout out David Bridal, by the way. That’s the
Christa Innis: clutch.
Yes. Coming in clutch. Really? But when I arrived at the venue, I was alone with only his family present. Again, where’s your family? It’s so sad. What I didn’t know until years later was that on the same day, his dad had told him it wasn’t too late to run and had desperately tried to convince him to leave.
Oh, he told me. He told him that I had tricked him into marriage by getting pregnant and lying about it, essentially forcing him into a shotgun wedding.
Shawna Lander: Oh no.
Christa Innis: It’s terrible. The truth is that getting married was entirely my husband’s idea. We had openly agreed that we wanted to try for a baby. The pregnancy was simply the explanation we used because we knew our families wouldn’t understand otherwise.
My husband told his dad that he wanted to marry me, and we went through with the wedding. Later, after our baby was born, we moved to the same state where his dad and stepmom lived. Why? Why
Shawna Lander: don’t do that? Well,
Christa Innis: the opposite direction.
Shawna Lander: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. At first they dot
Shawna Lander: the military. It was probably ’cause of the military.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Maybe it just like worked out with the,
Shawna Lander: yeah.
In-Laws Crossing Every Line
Christa Innis: Timing. At first they dotted on my, on the baby, my husband and me. But over time I started noticing that they equated money and gifts with love and expected to control all of us. Oh. Once I started standing up for myself, things changed. For example, when our daughter was four months old, they tried to feed her, feed her chocolate cake.
I told them no. Oh my gosh. Here, just eat this chocolate cake. Okay. They went behind my back and did it anyway.
Shawna Lander: Oh. I would be,
Christa Innis: Ugh. That is feeding a child something when the parents say no at any age, but especially that age where it can be very harmful.
Shawna Lander: Yeah. Oh my gosh.
Christa Innis: Wild.
Shawna Lander: Wild.
Christa Innis: They’re not realizing how dangerous it could be for the baby that young, like they’re not even eating.
They’re starting to eat maybe some solid foods at that point. Right, and like,
Shawna Lander: yeah, rice, rice cereal.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Shawna Lander: Terrible.
Christa Innis: They also shamed me for breastfeeding because it made them uncomfortable.
Shawna Lander: Yeah, that’s just dumb. You’re just, that’s just stupid. That’s just stupid.
Christa Innis: Like, come
Shawna Lander: on.
Christa Innis: I’m sorry. Why don’t you leave the room then if it makes you sound, oh
Shawna Lander: yeah.
That’s kind of like consider the source, you know, like, duh. You can’t even be offended at by them by that, because that’s just so stupid. That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Literally they assisted, insisted that for the formula was good enough after many more incidents where I refused to just bend to their, to their will, they escalated things.
They tried to convince my husband that I was cheating on him simply because I had male friends Who does that? Also they never think like forward, like what happens like after that? Like if they actually convince the husband. So you want him to be like divorced? Like
Shawna Lander: Yeah.
Christa Innis: What is that? Like divorce.
Shawna Lander: It’s not like she goes away.
Like they have to still manage the child together.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I’m like, they don’t think about how that’s gonna actually affect them and their relationship.
Shawna Lander: Yeah. It makes everything much more contentious. What? I can’t, I don’t even, I can’t fathom this
Christa Innis: wild, even though those men had been our mutual friends for years, they also accuse me of relapsing and using drugs again.
I’m about to celebrate 11 years clean next month, 2025. I got sober in 2014 so I could build a life with my husband. Good on you. Yay. These accusations were made in 2018, so she was four years sober already. And they’re, they’re saying she relapsed. Like what a wild thing to say and like so incredibly hurtful.
Shawna Lander: Yeah, so hurtful.
Christa Innis: They even told him they had driven by my workplace and that I wasn’t there. Why is that whole life mission to like, I
Shawna Lander: dunno, it’s so weird. They do not like her.
Christa Innis: No. That’s where you have to make those ties, like cut those ties. Like he has to be like, I’m choosing you and forget them because that’s just after, after one of those things alone, I feel like I’d be like, okay, I can’t.
Shawna Lander: Okay. Uh, go back to the be begin toward the beginning. They were at, they went to their house for the wedding weekend and she woke up early and was being loud.
Christa Innis: Yeah. So the mother-in-law or the stepmom.
Shawna Lander: Stepmom
Christa Innis: was extremely loud. Woke us up early one morning talking loud in the house. She saw me awake. She said, wow, you’re up.
And I replied calmly and smiling. Yep. I heard you wake up kind of just being like, oh yeah, I heard you. And the stepmom was
Shawna Lander: okay. So she was, that was like a sarcastic comment. She
Christa Innis: was like, yeah, I think that was her being like, oh, you’re talking back to me or You’re not respecting me or something.
Shawna Lander: Okay.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Um, so they even told him they driven by my workplace and that I wasn’t there despite the fact that I was absolutely there and my job required fingerprint login. So it was easy to prove
Shawna Lander: she’s got an alibi.
Christa Innis: Yes. Then things became truly disturbing. They tried convincing my husband to abduct our daughter.
Okay, this is wild. What They really don’t like her.
Shawna Lander: After they really don’t like her.
Christa Innis: I really hope after all this
Shawna Lander: you need to move away. This is like getting into Snapped territory. Yes. Kind of scary.
Christa Innis: Like how long do you keep someone like this around, like at the end, if they’re still in contact with them.
I’m, I, I don’t know. That’s,
Shawna Lander: yeah,
Christa Innis: that’s a lot.
Shawna Lander: Do we give advice on this podcast?
Christa Innis: Podcast? Yes, please. I feel like when people write in, they like, they know like there’s gonna be some kind of advice or a lot of times they tell me it’s therapeutic, typing it all out. ’cause they’re like,
Shawna Lander: oh, that’s good
Christa Innis: through my emotion.
Shawna Lander: Um, you’re fighting a service.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yes.
Shawna Lander: That’s phenomenal.
Christa Innis: Well, it could, it’s funny ’cause again, some of the, like the haters online, someone was like, all you do is spread drama, blah, blah blah. And then I was like, internalizing. I was like, am I like toxic? Like drama? And people were like, no. It’s like helpful ’cause I’m able to like, relate to people and like help me find out something that I went through or understand it.
’cause I don’t know.
Shawna Lander: I, I a hundred percent believe that we, it’s in the sharing of our stories, you know, that we learn.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Shawna Lander: That we grow. Yeah,
Christa Innis: exactly. And find like a community to like connect with. Yeah. Um, they said they would buy him a car in their name and rent an apartment under their name with cash so we could disappear.
Oh my gosh.
Shawna Lander: Wow. You would have
Christa Innis: to cut someone off like this. God, I hope they cut them out. All of this was simply,
Shawna Lander: are they talking about murder or ki or kidnapping the child?
Christa Innis: Uh, well, I mean at first it seemed like just kidnap, just, just kidnapping. Um, first it seemed like they wanted the husband to take the daughter and they would go, but then when it says so we could disappear.
Shawna Lander: Yeah. That’s the part that I’m like, what do you mean disappear?
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Shawna Lander: Like, we disappeared because that’s scary.
Christa Innis: That’s a weird sentence there. Yeah.
Shawna Lander: Scary enough
Christa Innis: that they’re
Shawna Lander: trying to
Christa Innis: take the child. His parents seems kind of scary.
Shawna Lander: Oh.
Christa Innis: All of this was simply because I refused to let them control me.
Eventually we fled with our daughter and moved back to California with the help of his mom, who he hadn’t spoken to in 10 years.
Shawna Lander: Whoa. Oh, so he’s in contact with the dad. The dad’s unhinged
Christa Innis: Uhhuh,
Shawna Lander: seemingly. Yeah. And so he got into contact with his mom, Uhhuh, and she’s like, yeah, babe. I know. Come on.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Come along please. I, I will protect you.
Shawna Lander: This is why.
Christa Innis: Yeah. That’s interesting.
Shawna Lander: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Um, so no mention of like, like her family around this time either, so I’m curious.
Shawna Lander: Yeah. Maybe she doesn’t really have much family.
Christa Innis: Yeah. That’s what I’m kind of wondering.
Shawna Lander: Or maybe the drug use was, has had her sort of isolated at the time.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Shawna Lander: That happens?
Christa Innis: Well, it says we told our families.
Shawna Lander: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Yeah. We knew our families, blah, blah, blah. Yeah.
Shawna Lander: Interesting.
Christa Innis: Okay. But yeah, they’re just not mentioning
Shawna Lander: story. Maybe that’ll come back around. Okay.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Um, okay, so it says, um, we were offered his childhood home by her, his mom, when his dad and stepmom found out, they called his brother and told him to burn any paperwork that had my husband’s name or security number on it, because we were supposedly planning to steal his identity and ruin his credit.
Shawna Lander: Oh my God. What? This is so much worse than anything I’ve ever written. This is awful.
Christa Innis: These people literal to go outside and touch some grass and stop watching crime tv, like,
Shawna Lander: this is really, really bad. This, this, oh my god.
Christa Innis: Like what
Shawna Lander: I like, I feel like I would walk out of this movie like that. Like that’s implausible.
This is crazier than anything I’ve ever heard.
Christa Innis: No, this is like, I
Shawna Lander: can’t believe people live these lives. I’m so sorry. That’s terrible.
Christa Innis: I don’t know how you would like, I don’t know. I would be so paranoid, honestly, like people like this that are so unhinged, like you would hope they never found your new address in California.
Like, oh
Shawna Lander: my god.
Christa Innis: You know, I
Shawna Lander: hope she wasn’t, I hope we’re not like putting fear into her, but this poor woman who this
Christa Innis: at least, oh my
Shawna Lander: God,
Christa Innis: I think this was y years ago now, because she said they’re married 11. So I don’t know. I don’t know how af how soon after they got married that, that all this happened, but I’m hoping this was like that.
It was
Shawna Lander: four years of sobriety by the time she, they were accusing her of, of, yes. And she said. 11 years sober, 11 years married. So she must have gotten, um,
Christa Innis: she got clean, I think when they got married. Oh, yeah. She got sober in 2014 so they could rebuild a life together.
Shawna Lander: Okay, so it’s been 12 years-ish.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yep. Yeah. Wow. His brother and sister-in-law called us immediately because they spoke with us daily and knew better. All after that. My husband completely cut his dad and stepmom off. Thank God I get so worried at these because as my sister, like, oh, we’re still in contact or limited. I’m like, someone like that, you have to snip.
Shawna Lander: That’s, that’s crazy. That’s unhinged.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. We ultimately decided not to move into that house. Since then, we’ve had two more beautiful children, bought a wonderful home, and both of us are now in school studying to become teachers. We both are maintaining 4.0 GPAs. Woo hoo. Yeah. Oh yeah. It’s worth noting that my husband didn’t speak to his mom for 10 years because of lies his dad told about her.
I was wondering.
Shawna Lander: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. That sucks when that happens. It’s like if you have your own issues sure. But don’t bring your kids involved. ’cause like, uh, now he lost 10 years with his mom. That’s so sad.
Shawna Lander: Yeah. That’s really, really sad.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I’m glad they’re like reconnected. Mm-hmm. Um, it absolutely eat that
Shawna Lander: end of that though.
There’s nothing you can do about it. You know, you can’t, like he’s lying like, you know, just as a he said, she said and
Christa Innis: mm-hmm.
Shawna Lander: People who are willing to do that and lie about the other party are so much better at it
Christa Innis: mm-hmm.
Shawna Lander: Than, than the person who’s a victim of it. And so it’s just like a terrible manipulation of the child.
It’s so sad.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh my gosh. Um. It absolutely eats at them now that she’s a bigger part of our lives, especially after his dad tried to tell him almost identical lies about me. Recently we had a vow renewal. His mom, my parents, and many of our friends and family attended at the church where I’m part of the leadership team.
So they got their new like
Shawna Lander: That’s good. Yeah. I take it back. I like this movie.
Christa Innis: Yes. It all has a happy ending. I’m, I’m so happy. Yay. His dad no longer has my husband’s phone number and has to go through me if he wants to pass along a message, I personally have forgiven them. Oh, that’s, that’s big. I don’t know.
I could, um, because I don’t like holding onto anger, but my husband hasn’t. Overall though all’s well, it ends well. We are happy, healthy, raising three wonderful children and living a life we love.
Shawna Lander: Yay. Good job. Them.
Christa Innis: I, I feel like they did a great job of tying it up with a bow at the end. ’cause sometimes we get these and it just ends and I’m like, that’s all they want.
And I like, we’ll reach out. Sometimes we be like, can you give us a follow up? Um, wow, that was a rollercoaster.
Shawna Lander: Yeah, that was a lot.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Shawna Lander: We’ve been through some drama. I’m glad they came out the other end of it, but Oof.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Shawna Lander: We need EMDR therapy after that.
Christa Innis: Seriously, I feel like this is a good reminder that if you really want to move forward in your marriage, if there’s some kind of toxicity like that constantly pulling out, you have to make a choice.
Shawna Lander: Yeah.
Christa Innis: If you wanna stick with your in-laws or you know, whoever that is, the toxic person. Then your marriage probably won’t work. I mean, not to be like, but you know, I just feel like so many times in these stories I see where it’s like the push and pull and or they’ll be fine and then all of a sudden they like do something and you’re like, do I forgive them?
But this is like all, this was unforgivable. Am I?
Shawna Lander: Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Like from the start. That’s incredible. Um, that is an example of a husband who does put you first.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Shawna Lander: Who does stand up to his family? Oh man.
Christa Innis: He put all the pieces together. He is like, wait, dad’s not, wait a minute. He, he said the same thing about Mom.
Shawna Lander: I’ve heard these lies before.
Christa Innis: Wait a minute. Yes. He’s going down that same, that same, uh, files of lies. Okay. Let’s pull this one out.
Shawna Lander: That’s incredible. People just send you stories like this.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. That’s what started the podcast is ’cause when I would post like a skit, people would like message me or DM me or comment and they’d be like, can I send you my whole story?
And I was like, sure. Then I use it for a skit and then I was like, I’ll create a Google form so you guys can send me, you know, a bunch.
Shawna Lander: Oh. And then I
had
Christa Innis: like hundreds upon hundreds of stories and I was like, I guess we’re making a podcast. Let’s share this story. Because I was like, I can’t act ’em all out, so let’s just do it.
Shawna Lander: Oh, that’s incredible.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Shawna Lander: People used to send me mother-in-law stories when I, whenever I would do barber skits before the, the big storyline began.
Christa Innis: Oh wow.
Shawna Lander: What you can do with something like that. It’s amazing.
Christa Innis: Right. And like we were talking about too, it’s like it gives people a safe pa place to share.
Um, ’cause some, a story I read the other day. Was saying like she wanted to like share it, but she was like, I have family and friends on social media and I don’t really, I don’t know how they’ll retaliate or something. I’m like, you can send it to me. I will anonymously share it. I’ll change details. You know?
Um, so that makes it like kind of a safe place to like connect but not i’ll or, or see people’s opinions without you putting yourself out there necessarily. Yeah,
Shawna Lander: absolutely.
Christa Innis: Oh,
Shawna Lander: I’m like, ugh, I feel like I need a drink after that. That was crazy. At least a cup of coffee. It’s like, that was a lot. Oh
Christa Innis: my gosh.
It was a lot. All right. I always like to end these with reading a couple of confessions. People also send me confessions on Instagram. Okay. So here we go. This is, did you, this week we asked did you invite someone you lowkey didn’t want to at the wedding? Okay, sorry. Bless you.
Shawna Lander: Do you need to reread it?
Christa Innis: I mean, sure.
Yeah. Okay. So this week we asked, did you invite someone you lowkey didn’t want to invite to the wedding? No names, just the tea. Okay, here we go. This person said, not even invited. Just invited. He was a groomsman. Oh. And I have so many, so much more drama that won’t even fit here. Um, uh, send it to me.
Shawna Lander: Yeah.
That should have been a dm. We need the whole story there.
Christa Innis: We
Shawna Lander: need
Christa Innis: more. Yeah. These little convers uh, confession spots are so small. My cousin’s ex-boyfriend, they fought then broke up the next day.
Shawna Lander: Oh no.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. Um, let’s see. And al my alcoholic sister-in-law, she wore a hot pink dress, stopped hubs while he walked down the aisle to hug him.
Shawna Lander: Oh my God.
Christa Innis: No, that’s not,
Shawna Lander: did I?
Christa Innis: I’m like, no, please don’t.
Shawna Lander: No, no.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. Um, let’s see. This says, oh gosh, this is a two part one. The significant other to a groomsman who was so upset. We didn’t invite her toddler. So then she did coke in the reception hall bathroom and nearly flashed my 93-year-old great aunt.
That is a mouthful. Whoa.
Shawna Lander: Oh my.
Christa Innis: All right. Well
Shawna Lander: I’m mad at you, so I’m going to do coke.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Great. Okay, last one. This is, people really had some good answers here. Um, friends, girlfriend didn’t like any of us have a pick of her and a bridesmaid glaring at each other. Okay.
Shawna Lander: Great.
Christa Innis: Lesson of the day. Just invite people that you wanted to write.
Shawna Lander: Ah, say no, say no to that person. Nevermind. Don’t, don’t, don’t come.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah. No, thank you. Well, thank you so much for coming on, Shawna. I’m like, I feel so like, grateful that you came on. It was so great talking with you. And I feel like I said this before coming up. I feel like I know you through all seeing your skits and just, you’re just such a great person and, um, I love chatting with you.
Shawna Lander: Thank you. This was so much fun. I’m so glad and I’m so glad that it worked out because this has been like months in the making.
Christa Innis: Yes, I know. I’m so glad. Like I said, people have always, always like, get shot of the mom. Um,
Shawna Lander: I I’m so glad. I’m thrilled. This is so much fun. I’m glad to have been on.
Christa Innis: Awesome. Well thank you.
So can you just remind everyone where they can find all your skits and then anything fun you’re working on? I mean, I know we got the Shawna-verse, but.
Shawna Lander: Yeah, it’s Shawna, the mom. Um, Shawna is spelled SHA with WUNA, um, Shawna, the mom, and it’s on all the platforms. So TikTok, Instagram, I’m on YouTube, I’m on Facebook.
And what am I working on? Uh, I have a book coming out October 20th. And
Christa Innis: do you have a title for the book yet, or is that to be revealed? I’m
Shawna Lander: not allowed to say it yet. Yeah,
Christa Innis: to, I love it. I love the mystery.
Shawna Lander: And then, um, that’s, that’s kind of it for now. There’s more stuff Awesome. Coming.
Christa Innis: There’s, I’m sure there’s always tons of stuff you’re working on.
Plus you’re a mama too. You’re a wife. That’s, you. Don’t you love when people are like, which I was gonna ask you about this earlier, like the pressures of like, get it out faster. I need to know what I need to know. Like
Shawna Lander: how
Christa Innis: do you like, deal with that? Like I’m, you’re like, I do also have a, have a life too.
And
Shawna Lander: Yeah, I have, uh, just realized that I, I think I have to change up the way that I’m releasing the content, um, because. People are very eager for the next part to come out. Um, so I, yeah. On the back end here, I’m like, suddenly like, oh, hold on, I’ve gotta change. I, I need to make some adjustments because how do I, how do I make this happen faster or give myself more time in between something, something has to change because people yell at me a lot.
Christa Innis: Yes. And you gotta give yourself grace like
Shawna Lander: that. I understand. It’s very exciting, fun, but oh my god.
Christa Innis: Exciting. But like, you’re a human too. It’s like the constant reminder of like, we also deserve to like zen. Send out a little bit. Awesome. Well, thank you again. This was so fun hanging out with you.
Shawna Lander: It was so fun. Thank you.
Guest List Wars, Boundary Battles, and Stepmom Sabotage with Ivette Bracken
My new book Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story is live!
She invited the EX… to the engagement party. No, seriously.
In this episode, I’m joined by one of my closest friends and my maid of honor, Ivette, and we dive into a “simple” guest list boundary that spirals fast into pressure, guilt-tripping, and family members who just won’t take no for an answer. We break down why weddings seem to bring out the most chaotic behavior and what it actually looks like to stay grounded when everyone has an opinion.
Plus, with Ivette’s perspective as a therapist, we get real about marriage, accountability, and why the real test isn’t the wedding, it’s how you show up for your partner when things get messy.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Therapy Meets Wedding Drama – Ivette shares real insights on how couples grow when they stop blaming each other and start taking accountability.
- The Guest List That Wouldn’t Die – One bride sets clear boundaries… and her family keeps pushing anyway.
- “We’ll Pay for It” Pressure – When money becomes leverage—and why that’s not the real issue.
- Boundary Setting 101 – Why couples need to align first before inviting outside opinions into big decisions.
- Stepmom Sabotage Story – An engagement party turns shocking when the ex shows up… invited by the mother.
- Emotional Manipulation Escalates – From guilt-tripping to rewriting reality, the drama goes way beyond the wedding.
- Red Light, Green Light Moments – From social media oversharing to themed dress codes—what’s actually okay?
- Real Talk on Marriage Foundations – Why choosing your partner (especially in hard moments) matters more than anything.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “You can’t have someone tell you how to make it work, they’re not in your marriage.” – Christa Innis
- “You and your partner need to get on the same page first, then invite other people in.” – Christa Innis
- “It’s not about the money, that’s not the problem. It’s about the boundary.” – Christa Innis
- “If someone hates you and offers to host your party? Immediate no.” – Christa Innis
- “Weddings bring in all these outside opinions and that’s where the drama starts.” – Christa Innis
- “I’m not here to fix anything, I’m here to hold up a mirror.” – Ivette
- “When people stop pointing fingers and take ownership, that’s when change happens.” – Ivette
- “They’re not going to learn it until they’re ready.” – Ivette
- “That’s not really authentic, and you’ll look back and wonder why you did it.” – Ivette
- “I would feel so small knowing my mother-in-law invited my husband’s ex. That would kill me.” – Ivette
*This conversation is for entertainment and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Please seek a licensed professional for your specific situation.
About Ivette
Ivette is more than a returning guest, she’s part of Christa’s inner circle and stood by her side as matron of honor. As a mom, wife, and psychotherapist, she brings thoughtful perspective, emotional insight, and a little unfiltered honesty to the mic.
She’s all about conversations that actually matter whether that’s relationships, boundaries, or the realities behind wedding dynamics. With her mix of warmth, humor, and real-life experience, Ivette isn’t afraid to say what others are thinking… and maybe give a little advice along the way.
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Christa Innis: While at college, he met his future wife. Oh no. I feel like I know where this is going. She came from a very close knit family, and they immediately saw through my stepmother’s behavior. My stepmother told anyone who would listen that she hated this woman. Oh. She’s talking about the future wife. She hated this woman and that she would never be good enough. Ugh. Hi, Ivette. Welcome back on the pod.
Ivette Bracken: Thanks.
Christa Innis: I thought
Ivette Bracken: so. Happy to be here.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I thought it was time that you came back. I feel like it’s like once, uh, is this your fourth time now?
Ivette Bracken: I think so, yeah.
The Truth About Couples Therapy: It’s Not What You Think
Christa Innis: I think it’s like once a quarter. It’s just, yeah. Only right. That you come back on. Um, and, uh. Yeah, I mean, like what’s, what’s new since the last time?
It’s, it’s like what’s new for the audience versus what’s new since I saw you two days ago. So,
Ivette Bracken: um, well, we just moved, uh, into a new home, so that’s kind of exciting. But then also, um, just, you know, I, I think I told you last time, like I’ve gotten a new job and that’s exciting and I have a lot of clients.
So I’m a therapist and I get to work with little kids and adults and, and I’ve also been working with married couples now, and so that’s been fun. A little challenging, but yeah, exciting. Exciting for sure.
Christa Innis: Yeah. That’s awesome. Do you feel like that’s like, kind of like been a new stage in your work now?
Like, like as you kind of started it was more individuals and now it’s more couples?
Ivette Bracken: Well, I would say I still focus on like kids, adolescents. Really. I think my heart is like teenagers, right? Like I just love working with teens.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Ivette Bracken: But, um, I was, you know, I was like, why not? Like, I love marriage and, and I think marriage is hard and beautiful and, and there’s so many great parts to it.
And so I thought it would be exciting to walk alongside with people. And so it hasn’t been easy, right? But then just remembering like, Hey, I’m. I am not the one that can kind of change things for these people. It’s really up to them. And if there is change at the end of the day, it’s because they want it.
So, yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah,
Ivette Bracken: it’s pretty cool. Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: I love that. No, I feel like that’s good and I feel like people are always looking for that kind of. It’s like an outside perspective, but you make a good point about like, it has to come from within. Like you can’t have someone tell you like, you need to make this work and you do it this way because ultimately they’re not in the marriage.
Right. So what do you do when someone kind of going down on, we’re gonna turn down this road over here. Um, what do you do when someone like comes to you with like. Like marital issues or like, like how can you tell a couple’s really willing to like, work together? Or are you kinda like, like what’s like that next?
Ivette Bracken: Yeah,
Christa Innis: yeah.
Ivette Bracken: So really the way that I set it up is like, hey. People come to therapy, they come to couples counseling because they think it’s like, oh, you’re gonna fix everything. And I’m like, no, that, that is like so opposite from what I do. I’m like, really, this space, I’m kind of this, this person that’s, that gets to be here along the ride.
But really I’m, I’m kind of holding up a mirror and I’m, and I’m allowing, allowing each individual to reflect and see like, how do I show up for this other person? How do I show up in the relationship? And I think when I know that a couple is ready, right? They stop pointing fingers at the other person and they start taking ownership and responsibility for the choices that they’re making.
And so it is, it’s really hard when it know you’re trying to point out the patterns and you’re like, guys, like I see this happening over and over again, but it’s kind of like a toddler, right? If you’re like telling a toddler to like. Hey, don’t stand on the chair. You’re, you’re gonna fall. Like, don’t stand on the chair.
You’re gonna fall. And they just keep doing it. They’re like, I’m fine. I’m fine. And then finally they fall. Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, well, they’ve like. Experience it. That’s they’re ready, like next time they’re gonna be like, okay, now I know not to do that because I’ve learned my lesson, but it’s, they’re not gonna know it until they’re ready for it.
If that, if that makes sense.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah. I was just saying that too. My husband Zach, um, the other day about like, you know, you always wanna like protect your kids and be like, don’t do that ’cause you’re gonna do, you’re gonna fall. But I’m like, half the things we tell her, I’m like, she has to do. Experience it through her own like lived experience to be like, wait, that’s not a good idea.
Obviously there’s some things like, we’re gonna be like, we’re gonna stop before it happens.
Ivette Bracken: Right?
Why Weddings Bring Out the Worst in People
Christa Innis: But there’s definitely those things. So I feel like that’s, that’s an interesting way to put it. It was like they have to be able to like walk that road and be like, oh, wait a second. Like, that’s not the way I wanna go.
Ivette Bracken: Yeah.
Christa Innis: So I feel like this is like, you’re, it’s an interesting thing to bring up, especially like in the podcast and like how we’re talking about like marriage and weddings and the drama and stuff. Because I feel like a lot of these issues that come up in these stories, like there is a lot of finger pointing, right?
And it’s like, of course the, I shouldn’t say like the drama that comes to me, it’s typically not about. The bride and group itself, the
Ivette Bracken: couple, right?
Christa Innis: It’s like not about the couple, it’s about all the exterior things that are bringing drama in. But you gotta think like with a wedding, a funeral movie, any kind of big moment in people’s lives bring on all these extra like stressors and conflicting relation or personalities.
And so I feel like that’s a lot of times the hardest part in a lot of these stories we read.
Ivette Bracken: Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Um, kind of the outside opinions and then two, like if you wanted to present that to a couple, it’s like, okay, well then like how do you show up for your partner in this case?
Right? Like, how can you do that reflective work and like. Do you show up for them? Are you there to like say, oh no, this is now, this is my family now I need to tend to their needs and their feelings and their emotions because there kind of needs to be this. I wish, I wish people would have more conversations of like, Hey, mom, dad, brother, sister, whatever, extended family.
This is what our marriage is gonna look like. And these are, are the boundaries that we’ve established together. And I, I wish that was more of a norm. And not just with marriage, right? Like going into parenthood. Because what happens is like their opinions start to trickle in. Like all these things start to trickle in.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Ivette Bracken: And then you’re like really frustrated with. These people and you’re like, oh my gosh, I can’t, I can’t stand that. They’re always like giving their 2 cents when I don’t ask for it. But there was al, there was never that kind of like established boundary talk, right? That there was never this conversation.
And so I’m, I’m hoping that that’s kind of the direction that we’re gonna move, especially like our generation experience experiencing this firsthand and being like. Well, I wanna be that person for when my kids get married, but like, I wanna ask my daughter and their, and her husband, like, hey, like what is okay and what’s not okay.
Right. Like, when is it okay for me to, to give advice? And so, yeah. Yeah. Another little tangent. Tangent.
Christa Innis: No, I love that though, because I, that really lines into like the things we see because, I mean, like, boundaries I feel like are so important. And then when people send, you know, stories to me about like.
We’re planning our wedding and like we’ve been so happy. We’re so excited, but. His mom or her sister, or you know, whatever, whoever’s coming in, they say, we need to do it this way, we need to do that. And so I always constantly say like, you and your partner need to get on the same page first, then invite other people in when you want and for what you want.
So not just like, Hey everyone, we’re having a wedding day. Tell us whatever opinion you have. Or, Hey, we’re about to have a baby. Tell us your favorite opinion. Um, it’s like, this is what we’re doing. Oh, hey, I actually have a question about this. What’s your experience? Um, because I think, I think it’s, so maybe it’s like the previous generation was like all they really had was their moms coming in or their parents coming in saying, this is what you do, this is how you raise a baby.
’cause that’s what we did, because now we’re learning, okay, let’s kind of have a little safe zone and like with our family, our partner, um, and learn what makes sense for our family first, and then kind of invite that in.
Ivette Bracken: Right. Right. And I love that. I love that for, for a lot of different reasons. So,
Christa Innis: yeah.
Ivette Bracken: Yeah.
Christa Innis: I feel like I kind of went on a little, um, tangent too, but I love that.
Ivette Bracken: Okay.
Christa Innis: so, so I wanted to start with like a little like wedding dilemma that someone sent me. I say a little, it’s, it’s. It’s medium sized. Okay. Um, and then we’ll have our red light, green light. So let’s get into this. Okay. For context, I’m an only child, the oldest cousin and the oldest granddaughter.
Because of that, a lot of people have given us unsolicited suggestions about the wedding. Perfect tie in right here.
Yeah.
Ivette Bracken: Yeah.
Guest List Drama: The Battle of “Sister Jane”
Christa Innis: I’m getting married in September and we sent out final RSVPs and invitations a little over a month ago. From the beginning, I made it clear to my family that we were only inviting people we know and have a relationship with.
My aunt Gina mentioned that someone from her church, sister Jane, would definitely come. I told her that I don’t personally know this person and we are only inviting people that we have a relationship with. She said, okay, I understand. Fast forward to August. We’ve had several difficult conversations and have been very firm with our boundaries, so Good.
Good on them. Good
Ivette Bracken: for them. Yeah,
Christa Innis: that’s, I feel like that’s the hardest part, is just like reaffirming, like this is what we’re doing.
Ivette Bracken: Right.
Christa Innis: Then I went to church and saw someone who had an RSVP. She’s over 80, so I wasn’t upset. I asked if she would still like to come. She said yes and was very excited.
Right after that, my Aunt Gina turns to her and says, oh, is brother so-and-so coming right in front of me. I quickly stepped in and clarified that. Only she was invited. Then change the subject to ask what she wanted to eat. After that, I made a clear statement to my Aunt Gina, my parents, the woman and the other person from church.
I said that only the people present there that day were invited to the wedding. My Aunt Gina immediately made a face, turned to my dad. My dad said, don’t worry, we’re going to talk to her later. My dad pulled me aside and told me that Jane is a kind, caring person. I told him, I’m sure that’s true, but I still don’t have a relationship with relationship.
Then he said, we’ll give you the money. Implying that they would cover the cost if we invited her. I told him I needed to talk to my fiance. I hate this. ’cause now this, this woman, like she’s got these strong boundaries, but they’re like poking. They’re like, come on, she’s kind. We’ll pay for her. And I hear people are like, oh, we’re not having kids at the wedding or we’re not inviting, extended.
Mm-hmm. They’re like, well, we’ll pay for it. It’s like, that’s not the problem.
Ivette Bracken: Right. I think I, yeah, I think the fact that they’re like the, the tricky part is like we’ll pay for it. I’m trying to put myself in those shoes and I can be such a people pleaser, so I’d be like, you, well, yeah, you’re paying for it.
I guess it’s fine. And it would kind of like give me that excuse to like bring it up to my person. Right. But at the end of the day, it’s like. This is a very intimate moment, right? Like this is supposed to be where everyone has like a different, you know, kind of vision for their wedding. Mm-hmm. But really it’s like this beautiful moment of like two people becoming one and this random lady who’s just like, wants to go there.
I don’t what, like what would her. Like, does she even want to go like,
Christa Innis: yeah,
Ivette Bracken: like I’m thinking about her, like she’s probably like, oh, they invited me and now I have to go buy a present and like, I don’t even know her. Or, right. Like what’s, I mean, I think about that person too and I’m like, do they even really wanna go?
Or is it just like, you know, mom and dad, it’s like, oh, well this is our friend and we want them to be there, but I don’t think that does anything for the, in. Not invited slash invited person. Yeah. And the bride in your room, right? Like
Christa Innis: Totally. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I think the same way. ’cause I’m like, why are you like going to bat for this person who maybe doesn’t even know the wedding’s happening or doesn’t care, like if they’re invited or not?
Like I’ve seen that time and time again where they’re like, no, this person has to be invited.
Ivette Bracken: Right.
Christa Innis: I, yeah, I don’t know if it like has to do with like appearances too. Like they wanna make sure like mm-hmm. Inviting people from the church when you invite all our main people from church, you know? ’cause
Ivette Bracken: Yeah,
Christa Innis: that can be uncomfortable to be like, oh, well my daughter’s only inviting you and you because she knows you.
So sorry. But yeah, that’s one of those challenges,
Ivette Bracken: right? You think people would be more understanding, but.
Christa Innis: Yeah. She said, my fiance and I discussed it and decided we were not inviting Jane. I told my parents over dinner, they were upset, but they tried to understand. My dad said he would talk to Jane. Okay.
So I’m guessing Jane knows. So she’s like, she wanted to
Ivette Bracken: go. She wanted,
Christa Innis: oh my gosh. Then my Aunt Gina texted me and apologized just when I thought everything was resolved. She sent another message. Asking if I would serve as a security guard at my cousin’s wedding if she asked me to. What?
Ivette Bracken: Oh no, the timing of it is terrible.
Like,
Christa Innis: yeah, she’s like, yeah. So I know there’s this wedding stuff with your wedding, but can you come over here please? Um, she said I was very confused and told her I didn’t understand what she meant. I showed the text to my dad. He asked if I might be, if it might be because my cousins are greeters. I said maybe he suggested that she might think my cousins should have higher ranking roles than just attending as guests, but I said they were fine just being greeters.
So she’s trying to be like, you can have a role at this wedding if. You know, they can have a role, right?
Ivette Bracken: Be a security guard. You can stand outside during the ceremony and then, you know, give, give them a role too.
Christa Innis: So wild how people envision other people’s weddings and how they should do things, right. Um.
I, I hope this is a reminder to me that like when and if my daughter chooses to marry that, I’m like, tell me where you need me. Like, like that’s how my mom was, my mother-in-law, like I’m very lucky. They were both like, you tell me where you need me. I can do this, I can do this. Like, they never like crossed a boundary.
So I’m like very grateful for that because I read stories like this and I’m like, how do you even respond to someone that’s like, okay, so this person will be your flower girl. This person will be this.
Ivette Bracken: Right. Or like those like monster in law stories, which I’m sure you get a bunch of like,
Christa Innis: yeah,
Ivette Bracken: that’s, that’s my nightmare.
But, but yeah, I, I agree. Ugh.
Christa Innis: Um, he then said she might just be trying to find things to be upset about because she’s uncomfortable that Jane isn’t invited. This is Jane. A few days later, my mom brought up Sister Jane again, even though we had already talked everything through. She said Jane wanted to attend to support my dad and show appreciation.
I responded that if her intention is to support my dad, she can do that without attending my wedding. My mom finally agreed. My dad said he would speak to Jane and would support my fiance and my decision 100%. So all this to say, Jane is still not coming, but I still don’t know what to do with my cousins, if they will, if they will be greeters or not.
Ivette Bracken: So basically they weren’t assigned the role of graders prior to this.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Right. Okay. The aunt’s kind of being like, Hey, do you wanna be this at this wedding? Um, yeah,
Ivette Bracken: yeah. I, that’s another no, like, do what you envision. ’cause later on what’s gonna happen is you’re gonna look back and say like, why did I even do that?
You know, like, sure. If, if they offer you and you wanna be a security guard. Sure. Right, if that’s what you wanna do for them. But that doesn’t necessarily mean like, hey, I guess now I have to have them be a part of my, my wedding. ’cause one that’s not really authentic. And then two, you’re gonna look back at pictures and be like, why did I do that?
You know?
Christa Innis: Yeah. I think that’s like with um, wedding parties too. I feel like you hear a lot of times they’re like, well, I was in their wedding so they should be in mine. And I’ve heard that all the time. ’cause it’s like you feel like you kind of owe them. Mm-hmm. At the end of the day though too, it’s like it’s a big ask to have someone in your wedding too.
Like they’re gonna be spending money taking time off work or whatever that looks like. So you, at the end of the day, you really just have to ask for. Look at your partner and be like, what do we want? Um, kinda like what I was just saying, but it sounds like they have really good boundaries. So I mean, like props to them for that.
Yeah. It, it sucks that it constantly is getting crossed and constantly getting tested. Right. But I’m glad you guys are staying firm because I don’t know what I would do if someone constantly kept pushing that same boundary like. You just, none of you can come. I don’t know, like why, and,
Ivette Bracken: and offered solutions to like the tension, right?
Like that’s kind of what makes it harder to be like No. Yeah. So yeah. Good for them.
Christa Innis: Yeah,
Ivette Bracken: I don’t, I don’t know if I would’ve been able to to do that. I see this now, like, yeah, don’t do that. But I don’t know if I would’ve been able to do that. Yes.
Red Flags, Green Lights & Wedding Hot Takes
Christa Innis: Yeah, I, I’d be curious to see if it’s ever brought up again, or if on the wedding day they’re like, oh, sister Jane would’ve loved this, or, you know, picture to Jane.
Oh gosh. Okay. Um, let’s do a little red light, green light. I can’t remember if we did this last time when you were here or not, but it’s basically like, oh. Say a statement and you say if it’s like a good thing or a bad thing or like you, you agree with it. Okay. Hosting your entire wedding planning drama on social media.
Ivette Bracken: Oh, red light. No. No. Why?
Christa Innis: Can we talk about, have you seen like there has been so many on both sides of vendors and like brides or groomed. Posting like some kind of wedding drama and it backfiring because they weren’t telling the whole truth. Like there was one with a bride where she was like, my makeup was ruined.
She did that on TikTok. She wiped it off and she’s like, I’m doing it myself. The makeup artist like spoke and she is like, she never once told me she didn’t like anything. I had no clue. Like I’m mortified. And then there was a photographer that this happened to where she like tagged the photographer and she was like, oh, she did a horrible job on my photos.
And all she did was share just blurry photos. But the photographer was like, that’s like part of her aesthetic. Like it didn’t, you looked at the whole album, it looked beautiful. Right. So I’m team like. Don’t do that because it’s gonna, it’s gonna backfire. Like it’s just, yeah.
Ivette Bracken: Yeah. I mean, AMAs, that’s like your line of work and you’re like, these, what is it?
The real, the Housewives of Mormon, whatever, you know, the Mormon wives,
Christa Innis: the Housewives of Mormon wives, wives of Mormon wives.
Ivette Bracken: So unless your life is to like produce drama and entertain, entertain people, don’t do it. Yeah. Like, don’t do it.
Christa Innis: How about, yeah, don’t post about it, but send it to me anonymously and we’ll react to it on the podcast and then give on, yeah.
This way you’re anonymous so you can see what side people are on because that, that is a helpful thing is like, ’cause then I’ll post a story and people will be like, oh my gosh, this is crazy. So then you’re anonymous, you’re safe, but we can kind of discuss.
Ivette Bracken: And then we will tell you like, are you crazy or not?
Like, who are right?
Christa Innis: Yes. Yes. Um, a parent trying to control the guest list because they’re helping pay,
Ivette Bracken: oh, red light. Red light. And again, I, it’s easier said than done, but like. That’s a gift. You don’t, you don’t get to give someone like a shirt and say, well you can, you have to wear it every Saturday. Like, no.
Right. So,
Christa Innis: and I always say it’s mutual respect because if someone that you mutual respect with the person and they want to help, then I’m like, yes, invite. Whoever you want to the wedding, right? It’s like, what if it’s someone that’s like, been rude to you and they’re just like dangling money by a string and they’re like, oh, let me help pay for it and invite Sister Jane, you know, whatever.
Then that’s a different situation. Um, couples asking guests to wear specific color palette,
Ivette Bracken: um, green light. You like that? I, I like to see it. Um, as a guest I would be like. I might be a little annoyed by it, but no, I love aesthetically like things that are beautiful and good looking, and I get it and
Christa Innis: I, I would love to go to like a themed wedding like that, or like a color palette.
I’ve never have. I think I personally would like it ’cause I get very overwhelmed with like, what’s the style, what’s this? And like I’ll have one dress, I’m like, is this too formal? Is this too dark of a color? And so I feel like I would love that. Um,
Ivette Bracken: I would, I think that’d be the pictures that are gonna look great for the bride in the groom, but also like, it’s just a color.
It’s not saying like, you have to buy the most fanciest stress, you know, at the most expensive store. It’s just a color.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah, I like that. Destination weddings that require three days of events.
Ivette Bracken: Um, you the require bit, that’s a lot to ask for. That’s, that’s a red light or Yeah, a red light, I think. I think like, Hey.
We’ve done this, we’ve planned these events out for these days. We’re gonna be there if you guys wanna come. You are welcome to come, but you can’t be offended if someone’s not gonna spend $3,000 for your wedding. Like, yeah. Did they even spend that on their own wedding, right? No. Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Right. And I don’t like the whole like yeah, the required thing.
That’s okay. Um. And I don’t like the whole required thing, like you said.
Okay. I’m gonna do one more. Okay. Um, ooh, these are like really good. So I wanna do two more. Okay. One more. What are your thoughts on couples sharing a social media account? I,
Ivette Bracken: um, I’m indifferent. Sure. I don’t care. It’s.
Um, I, I’m torn red light because why do you need, why do you need to share an account on social media but green light? ’cause my hope is that people that do share it like don’t really. Care enough to like have an, I don’t know, to have like person, I don’t know how to explain it.
Christa Innis: I think it’s one of those things where it’s like if you really did choose together, like honestly, and you’re like, or maybe one of you guys don’t really care about social media and it’s like, let’s just do a family one or joint one order, because I’ve seen that before where it’s like a family one.
Ivette Bracken: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Where I have seen it. Be kind of questionable is where it’s a control thing where maybe one doesn’t trust the other. So they’re like, all the messages are coming through here. We’re only on one. You’re not allowed to have your own social media. So that’s where I’m like, okay, if they decide together, sure.
But like, whatever Doesn’t hurt me if you do that. But yeah,
Ivette Bracken: I, I agree with you. And I think that’s why I said green light, because I’ve actually seen the opposite of that, so that’s why I’m like, no. Yeah, it’s fine. Doable. Okay. Fine.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Alright. Um. Last. Okay, last one. Last one. We’re using last. We’re using a bridesmaid dress from another wedding.
Ivette Bracken: Fine freely. I don’t, I don’t. I don’t mind. It’s it.
Christa Innis: Please do.
Ivette Bracken: Yeah. Save money. If you love it. You look good in it. It feels good. Do it.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I always tell people how you got your dress for my wedding. I think, wasn’t it like half off? So it was like 50 bucks I think.
Ivette Bracken: Yeah, it was like a whole thing with mine.
I don’t remember. I was, I was pregnant, I was trying to figure out my size. I didn’t like the dress. They sent me two wrong ones and then I ended up being like half off. And I,
Christa Innis: yeah, I was like, you’ve ordered, you ended up ordering it during like a sale or something and it like worked. The timing ended up working out.
But yeah, there was a lot of, it was a lot of back and forth ’cause we were like, I think I went over to bring your. Jacket and you were like, oh my gosh, the dress I ordered. ’cause you ordered your dress like right away, right? And you’re like, oh my gosh, so much has changed since then. Um, but yeah. But yeah, I’m like, I wouldn’t care as a bride, like please use a, a dress you already have if it works
Ivette Bracken: right.
The Stepmom Story That Sounds Fake… But Isn’t
Christa Innis: Let’s get into this week’s story reaction, which honestly I think the dilemma was longer than this. So I think we’re good on time. Okay. Um, hi. Long time fan. I figured I’d send this to you because I think it’s a pretty crazy story. My stepmother is well crazy, like over the top, wild, and extremely narcissistic.
No one is immune from her chaos. She has two sons. Her oldest is very devoted to her. He even bought her, bought a house 10 doors down from where she lived, so he could always wait. She bought, I know. I’m like, wait, no. He bought the house so that he could always be near to take care of her. So she’s like expecting that, I guess.
She and his father divorced when he was in high school, so he chose to attend a local college to make sure that she would still be taken care of.
Ivette Bracken: Oh, no.
Christa Innis: While at college, he met his future wife. Oh no. I feel like I know where this is going. She came from a very close knit family, and they immediately saw through my stepmother’s behavior.
Ivette Bracken: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: My stepmother told anyone who would listen that she hated this woman. Oh. She’s talking about the future wife. She hated this woman and that she would never be good enough. Ugh. Because she knows she’s not gonna get 100% of his attention anymore. That’s right. She strongly preferred his previous girlfriend and even stayed in touch with her for years.
I’m again, I’m probably just jumping the gun, but it’s probably because that one like bowed down to her and was like,
Ivette Bracken: yes, yes, absolutely. Really
Christa Innis: clean. I’m just here. It’s fine.
Ivette Bracken: Ugh.
Christa Innis: When the couple got engaged, my stepmother volunteered to host their engagement party and she invited the ex.
Ivette Bracken: I knew it. I knew that’s what was coming.
This the nerve. How dare you.
Christa Innis: Even more so. Obviously we don’t know yet. The girlfriend comes, ex-girlfriend. Why would you like go to that? I would be like, no, thank you. Like any normal person would be like, no.
Ivette Bracken: Like, do you not love your son? Like, don’t you want it to be a good experience for him? I can’t. I can’t.
My heart just sank. I just feel like all of my own insecurities came up for myself and like, yeah. I would feel so small, even just knowing that my mother-in-law invited my now husband’s ex to anything. Yeah, that would kill me.
Christa Innis: She now made it Her party. Yeah. The stepmother made it her party and made you just like a wall, like you’re basically just like a side there because you’re, she made it so you weren’t comfortable in her home, basically.
Terrible. Then the cake was brought out. Oh no. Oh no. I just read a hug. Then the cake was brought out. It had the ex-girlfriend’s name on it, not the fiance’s. So she is literally trying to sabotage their whole thing.
Ivette Bracken: Okay. I kind of, when you said cake, that’s what I thought, but I was like, there’s no way.
There’s no way. But
Christa Innis: are you kidding? That is wild. See, and also like, again, I am reading it like. As an outsider person, but the second I knew if someone I knew hated me, that hated me was offering to host my party immediately, no. Immediately, no. ’cause they don’t have your best interest. They are not gonna like, think about you and your partner, they’re gonna think about ways to like to sabotage you in the wedding.
Ivette Bracken: Yes.
Christa Innis: So I would be saying no to that. I’m not going to that party. There’s no way like.
Ivette Bracken: And at the same time, I wanna give this like the, the bride like this. Maybe she was kind of trying to be the bigger person and give her that benefit of the doubt and that, and it totally backfired. You know what I mean?
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Ivette Bracken: That’s horrible.
Christa Innis: Ugh. So I’m trying to remember. Okay. So, okay, so the, um, the person that wrote this story in, it’s her stepmother. Then it’s like her son. Okay,
Ivette Bracken: so she was there. She’s like,
Christa Innis: they’re seeing it like, yes. And so I’m guessing, well, maybe that’s why. So her dad is the one that divorced now, so she’s.
Single as the wedding approached, she repeatedly tried to convince her son not to marry this f his fiance. She threatened not to attend the wedding and even offered to pay for an entirely different wedding if he would change his mind. She pulled in anyone she could to try to persuade him otherwise. She even even telling him that his grandmother was distraught and hated the fiance.
Because when someone, someone goes low, if someone’s low like that, they wanna bring everyone down with them. They can’t stand to see people happy or the people’s like proud or on another side.
Ivette Bracken: No.
Christa Innis: The wedding eventually took place, though she was clearly upset about it. The newly married couple left for their honeymoon in Hawaii early the next morning.
That same day, the grandmother passed away in her sleep. She had a history of heart problems. My stepmother immediately began telling everyone that the grandmother died of a broken heart because, because her grandson had gone through with the marriage.
Ivette Bracken: Wait,
Christa Innis: a put that on your grand, like your son, right?
Ivette Bracken: This, this, who is this woman? Send me your details. Like, I can’t believe her. That is horrible. Like, oh no. Like
Christa Innis: she’s like dealing with something from the divorce or something where she’s like holding onto her kids and like thinking that what, what is that term of like enmeshment where she’s like, they are me, I am them.
And if they, sorry, that’s a therapist term. I’m not a therapist. I shouldn’t use that.
Ivette Bracken: I was the whole time. I’m thinking like, how would I even do a session with them? This is insane.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Because I feel like that she’s so caught up in, they belong to me, whatever I say they should be doing, and Oh, grandmother died because of you.
It’s your fault.
Ivette Bracken: Oh man.
Christa Innis: Wow. She even called the airport and had a message sent to the plane saying there was an emergency. Can you do that?
Ivette Bracken: This sounds, this sounds crazy. This sounds, are we sure this is real?
Christa Innis: I don’t know. I, okay. There’s been times where people send us stories and I’m like, did they like ai?
This, this sounds so fake to me, but then I’ll like share the story and people are like, no, this thing happened to me. Unless, this was like years ago. Oh wait, this was the early nineties. I just saw it. This was the early nineties. She wrote it. I’m like, I’m thinking of like friends, even though Me too.
Ivette Bracken: That’s exactly what I thought of.
Christa Innis: I guess they had cell phones at the end of friends, but in the early nineties, you know, you didn’t have cell phones, so you would’ve had to have called.
Ivette Bracken: Right.
Christa Innis: Emergency. I guess that’s how you had to do it.
Ivette Bracken: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Gosh. And because I was like, it’s funny, I was doing like a skit recently and I was like, it was supposed to be in the nineties, and I was like, wait, if a car accident happened, you wouldn’t have a cell phone.
So I’m like, Googling. I was like, what would’ve been there? And it was like, oh, there was more pay phones or like you could, you know, have like an emergency, like tow truck would come by, you know, whatever. And I was like, that’s, you know, you just kind of forget. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, I guess that makes more sense.
It’s still crazy, but it makes more sense that it was the nineties. Yeah,
Ivette Bracken: it’s still crazy. It does make more sense. Yeah.
Christa Innis: So you have no way of like calling or texting them. Um, she even called the airport and had a message sent to the plane saying there was an emergency and that he needed to call immediately.
’cause this was the early nineties when he called, she demanded that he come home because according to her, he had killed his grandmother. That’s how she worded it.
The Real Issue: When Your Partner Doesn’t Choose You
Christa Innis: Years later when the younger son, who was her pride and joy of life was getting married for the second time, she caused more chaos. She told his fiance that she liked her so much more than his first wife because she thought the first wife was unattractive.
That and that it was no wonder he had cheated on her so many times. Okay, so the suns aren’t great either, or that sun.
Ivette Bracken: Yeah, no, I can see where they get it from.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. The fiance did not know that infidelity had been the cause of the divorce. Okay,
Ivette Bracken: well
Christa Innis: that’s on him.
Ivette Bracken: That’s a whole nother issue.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Like he should have been honest with her about that. So yeah, you can be mad at the stepmom about that, but he should have told her that. Yeah. She then told the fiance that the entire family was secretly planning to leave the rehearsal dinner early so they could have a dinner with the first wife because they all liked her better.
This was not true. The rehearsal dinner ended in complete chaos. When the fiance left in distress, the wedding almost didn’t happen at all, and the son initially banned his mother from attending. Eventually, he relented and the wedding went ahead as planned. His wife now avoids interacting with his side of the family unless absolutely necessary.
So she botched not one, but two weddings.
Ivette Bracken: Right.
Christa Innis: And we don’t know what happened with that first wife’s wedding, if that
Ivette Bracken: Right. I just, I, I just, I feel for these women that like. You don’t really realize how much of an impact that makes. Like Yeah, like the, the wedding, that’s obviously, that’s horrible, but like long term you don’t have support, you don’t have like your village.
What happens when there’s kids like these poor, these poor girls, like I. Even just hearing this, I already said this, but I feel so small. Like I would not wanna feel that way on my wedding day. You know? I would want to feel accepted and, and I guess that makes them strong for, for being able to like, go through with this, right?
And being like, no, I love this person. And that just means that we’re gonna have to do our lives without them and have some boundaries. But, wow. Just,
Christa Innis: yeah. And you said something earlier that made me think about like. In these moments. That’s when the fiance, I think the partner, whoever has the challenging family at the time, right?
Mm-hmm. They really need to step up and be like, I choose you. I’m on your side. We’re in this together. Because if they are not in those challenging moments, that’s when it’s gonna falter. I think, and I’ve gotten a lot of stories where like I’m read as I’m reading it, I’m like, this seems like a bad Oman.
Like something. And then later they’re like, and we got divorced. We didn’t, we didn’t last. Because if you’re gonna constantly have someone like that. Where the fiance or the now the husband or wife hasn’t fully chosen you, right? And they’re still going back to like their family who like hates you or talks about you in this negative light.
That marriage is gonna just be crumbling because you’re gonna be like, well, do they actually care? Are they gonna listen to what their family say?
Ivette Bracken: Right?
Christa Innis: As a whole, I feel like other layer of like complications for sure.
Ivette Bracken: It’s just a bad, a bad foundation to start on really like,
Christa Innis: yeah,
Ivette Bracken: yeah,
Christa Innis: yeah,
Ivette Bracken: yeah. That’s hard.
Christa Innis: I feel like if you don’t, which again, I’ve never been in that situation where you have to pick and choose.
Ivette Bracken: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: But in that situation, especially, let’s say this, this story, the stepmother, or I guess it’s his mom, but if you don’t cut her out, she’s going to make sure your marriage fails. Oh yeah. So still you like make that firm cut.
Ivette Bracken: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: So you will constantly find a way to get in there. So you did make your choice and stick through it. I mean, this ha she didn’t mention anything about them staying married or anything like that, so, or not, so I don’t know how it worked out, but.
Ivette Bracken: Well, the good, good job for you girls, because I couldn’t have done it.
They did it good for them. And you know, I’m just like, hopefully they’re still together and hopefully those boundaries are up, right? Mm-hmm. Because that’s. Wow. I feel like this was like a, a nineties movie.
Christa Innis: Yes, I know. I’m like picturing like running through the airport and Yeah. Oh my gosh. That’s funny that we both thought of friends friends right away.
I like saw her like Should I get off the plane? Yeah, I plane. There’s a problem with the phang. Oh, that’s what it is. Phoebe calls, right?
Ivette Bracken: Oh yes.
Christa Innis: Phoebe calls the airport or she calls her phone ’cause she has cell phone. That has to be in like 2000. Was that 2001?
Ivette Bracken: I think the show started 2002. I wanna say
Christa Innis: ended in 2002.
Ivette Bracken: Sorry. It ended in 2000? No, 2004. I think it ended because I think it started in 94.
Christa Innis: That’s
Ivette Bracken: what are you googling?
Christa Innis: Yeah, I’m Googling 94 to to two to 2004. I can talk. That’s
Ivette Bracken: right.
Christa Innis: Sometimes I’m like, my mouth doesn’t work when I talk. That’s wild. Sport came out.
Ivette Bracken: Aw, I was too a little bit younger. I’m just kidding.
Christa Innis: Oh baby.
Ivette Bracken: It’s alright. We were both born in the 19 hundreds. We’re old now.
Christa Innis: I know. I’m so old. It’s funny, I turned on friends the other day, like I was like, I need to, like, I haven’t watched friends in so long and I was like, so much like still applies, but I still feel like they’re like really young. They, they’re supposed to be like early twenties I think in the beginning.
Yeah, like 22, 23. And I was like, they seemed like, they feel like older than me still though, because I watched it as a kid. So like they just seemed so like put together and like, I’m like, oh my gosh, it’s,
Ivette Bracken: but not put together at all.
Christa Innis: They’re not put together literally at all. But I still look at them. I’m like, oh my gosh, they’re so cool.
Alright, well that was a wild one. I just. I jumped right in there. Okay. I always like to end these with confessions that people send me on Instagram. So let’s see what we got this week.
Ivette Bracken: Good. I thought I had to confess something.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Did you plan your confession? One time? Actually, I had someone on and she’s like, I’ll, I’ll confess something.
And then she did and she was like, do you have anything? And I was like, uh um, I’ll think, I don’t know if I have anything. Where do I start? I. I can never think of anything like on the spot. I’m so bad with stuff like that. Okay. This week we asked what almost made you lose it at a wedding, but you played it.
Cool. Um, okay. This person said extra guest. My mother-in-law innocently said to my aunt, the, the whole family is invited. Grandson came with a plus one or mother-in-law said to his aunt or fiance’s aunt, I’m guessing. So everyone’s invited. Um, dad left and didn’t walk me down the aisle because I wouldn’t talk to my not invited mom.
That’s a whole story. Dunno what’s there.
Ivette Bracken: Yeah. Can you send Chris to the details please?
Christa Innis: Yeah. Send me what happened there. I feel like that’s, there’s so, there’s so little, I don’t know to like, respond to that. Mm-hmm.
Ivette Bracken: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: But either way, I don’t think a parent should leave a wedding. Um, food was two personal sized pizzas.
No choice for toppings for each table of eight people.
Ivette Bracken: Oh,
Christa Innis: that’s interesting. I mean, I love pizza personally, but if they only just gave like two little personal sized pizzas and you go to a wedding hungry, that’s the thing. You have to feed your guests.
Ivette Bracken: Yeah.
Christa Innis: I wouldn’t be mad if I was at a wedding and they just served pizza.
I’ve actually been to weddings where they had a food truck and it was pizza and it was amazing. Yeah, so, but you have to plan accordingly and have enough food.
Ivette Bracken: I think my kids are losing it. Gimme one second.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Ivette Bracken: Hey Allie and pri, I’m almost done. Okay. I told you I was gonna be in the office.
Christa Innis: Okay. We’ll do one last one, then we’ll close out here. Okay. Um, definitely lost it on my maid of honor. We’re still besties. I just didn’t want to pee with a crowd. I need more to that story.
Ivette Bracken: I’m, I don’t know. I don’t know. It’s going on.
Christa Innis: Why do you wanna pee with a crown? I don’t know. I’m wondering if it’s like maybe she had like a bridal suite and people kept coming in or something. I don’t know. Yeah, tell us more. Tell us more. These little snippets are not enough.
Ivette Bracken: That’s what I’m thinking.
Like she was like either in like one of those big stalls or like in her bridal suite and people are just coming in and out and she’s trying to tell her like, Hey, can you tell him? She’s like, no, no, it’s fine. It’s fine. They just need this or that.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh my gosh.
Ivette Bracken: I guess we don’t know.
Christa Innis: I don’t know. Guess we’ll have to just make our own assumptions.
Um, all right. Well thank you so much for coming on today. Um, and it’s always, it’s always fun hanging out. I feel like I try to make them not super like formal, but then I like revert back. I’m like, thank you. It’s been fun today. Um, yeah. Thank you.
Ivette Bracken: I love being here. Thanks for having me. And then, um, maybe let’s not wait until, you know, quarter of a year has gone by.
Christa Innis: Yeah,
Ivette Bracken: I know.
Christa Innis: It’s always also I’m like, we gotta get her back on. Um, but also it’s like, I see you in person. So then I’m like, that’s like our therapy session or like hang out friend therapy session. And then I’m like, oh yeah, we should get on the podcast. Maybe that’s why like when you’re on, I’m like, oh, I need to be like professional.
’cause I’m like, I don’t wanna like. Slip and say something and forget. I’m like, recording
Ivette Bracken: hang out. Right? Like, we don’t wanna just hang out kind of thing.
Christa Innis: Yeah. We don’t wanna just,
Ivette Bracken: I think we did that the first time and now we’re doing it again, so we can Well, we’ll stop.
Christa Innis: Yes, exactly. All right. Well thank you so much for coming on and, um, I guess this is it.
Ivette Bracken: This is it. I hope you like it.
Christa Innis: My brain is so like, full of everything. I’m just like, I don’t even know who I am or what I’m doing these days. All right. Bye bye.
Ivette Bracken: Love you, bye.
Friendship Breakup, Legal Advice, and a Sister-in-Law Wedding Meltdown with Salma Qaddourah
My new book Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story is live!
The wedding drama that leaves everyone confused, even after hearing the full story.
What should have been a smooth, joyful wedding quickly takes a turn when a sister-in-law’s behavior starts to stand out. From tension leading up to the day to a moment at the reception that shifts the entire mood, the situation builds in a way no one quite understands in real time.
In this episode, Christa sits down with Salma Qaddourah, an attorney who shares her own experience navigating prenups, financial control, and the risks of entering a marriage without full transparency. Through both personal insight and professional perspective, she breaks down why these conversations matter early on.
Tune in as they unpack unclear intentions, shifting narratives, and the kind of wedding moments that reveal more than they seem to on the surface.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- The Conversation That Sparked It All – A casual prenup suggestion quickly reveals deeper issues around control, trust, and who gets to have influence in the relationship.
- The Slow Fade Friendship – Missed calls and unanswered texts turn into a quiet but intentional distance, with no real conversation to explain it.
- Uninvited Without a Word – After being heavily involved in the planning, Salma realizes she never received an invitation, confirming where she stands.
- Pre-Wedding Tension Builds – Travel stress, complaints, and small moments leading up to the wedding start to hint at bigger issues beneath the surface.
- The Reception Walkout – During the final songs of the night, a sister-in-law leaves early, shifting the tone of what should have been a celebratory ending.
- The Morning After Cold Goodbye – A rushed exit and a strange send-off leave the couple confused and questioning what went wrong.
- The Story That Keeps Changing – Multiple explanations surface after the wedding, but none of them fully make sense or take accountability.
- Red Light, Green Light Reality Check – From verbal agreements to risky decisions, a quick breakdown of common mistakes that can lead to bigger problems.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “It’s hard to protect what you don’t know.” – Salma Qaddourah
- “I would never be with someone who is so comfortable disrespecting my friends.” – Salma Qaddourah
- “There is a little bit of a risk there and people hate when I say that, but it is just a fact of life.” – Salma Qaddourah
- “I think the best thing you can do if you end up on the other side of it is just be accountable and make amends.”– Salma Qaddourah
- “An agreement doesn’t have to be this expensive or lengthy process.” – Salma Qaddourah
- “Women or stay-at-home parent need to be involved in the finances” – Christa Innis
- “Anything can happen, any life altering thing can happen.” – Christa Innis
- “ As long as you and your partner are on the same page about boundaries and what you will and will not stand for, I think that will make it easier. ” – Christa Innis
- “You need to be involved in the finances. You need to be 50/50.” – Christa Innis
- “If he’s controlling everything, he’s more looking at you like a housekeeper.” – Christa Innis
*This conversation is for entertainment and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Please seek a licensed professional for your specific situation.
About Salma
Salma Qaddourah is an attorney in Indianapolis, focusing on family and divorce law. She has seen how quickly things can shift when communication is overlooked in the lead-up to a wedding.
She shares insights drawn from both her professional experience and real-life situations, often focusing on the things people overlook before getting married. From prenups to financial awareness, her perspective is rooted in helping people think ahead and ask better questions.
It comes across like advice from a big sister who wants the best for you. Less about telling you what to do, more about making sure you are thinking things through.
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Salma: Hi,
Christa Innis: I am so excited to have you on. So now we’ll get to your story, but a little background is, I was scrolling on TikTok one day and you had a very interesting story when it comes to weddings and being uninvited as a wedding guest. And I know we’re gonna get to that of who you are.
But starting off, can you just say a little bit about what you do and then that’ll kind of lead into this story as well.
Salma: My name’s Salma Qaddourah. I am an attorney here in Indianapolis. I basically used to do a lot of divorce law. I have tethered off. I am very picky and choosy about much family law I will do at this point.
but that is primarily, I’m still in the attorney space. I have just tried to migrate off that a little bit because it tends to, Spring in the worst situations, if I may say
Christa Innis: That makes a lot of sense. I could see how it can, go that way, for sure. I wanna just jump into this story because I feel like we were kind of saying before recording is there’s a lot of lessons in it and it’s an interesting viewpoint that I think a lot of people don’t hear, right off the bat.
So let’s just start with the story. your poll on social media was about how you got uninvited as a wedding guest. So let’s just jump in.
A Six-Year Friendship That Felt Unbreakable
Salma: Perfect. So I had shared this story on my TikTok, but in my twenties I had this very good friend. Very, very good friend. I had been really good friends with her since I was 23.
I met her at a book club. And so basically, through the years, our big hobby was, during the winter we would go to this gym that had this track and we would just take these like two or three hour walks, and then in the summers and the springs, we would walk and just basically talk about life, do these things.
And I thought we had a pretty solid friendship. Like I felt really good about our friendship, like we did all our birthdays together and we had a really strong foundation. So ultimately when she would date these guys and she would tell me all the stories and eventually she met the guy she would end up marrying.
And so when they started dating, It was just basic, I’m not gonna share information.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Salma: And so they had conversations about one, conversations you should have with your partner.
You should ask your partner like, what do you think our dynamics are gonna be? Or how do you see our dynamics like playing out kind of situation. And so they had sort of decided that once they got married, they would have more of a, I call it traditional, that’s kind of how it’s viewed in the media.
But she was a nurse and he had basically this self-employed startup healthcare business that had done very well.
Christa Innis: Hmm.
Salma: they had just sort of decided he would be like the breadwinner and she would raise the children, which is fine. And so when they got engaged, those conversations heightened. And so during our walks we were talking about like florals and she had sent out save the dates, and I had received a save the date and we had talked about like.
She had not planned on doing a bridal party, but we had planned on doing some sort of like intro, like who was gonna be at the sweetheart table. I mean, I was helping this woman plan her wedding.
Christa Innis: You were like, and so bride me without the title kind of thing.
Salma: Correct. And she wasn’t gonna have like a traditional bridal party.
So I didn’t really care. And I at this point we’re kind of like in early twenties and a lot of people at that point are maybe more willing to forfeit that. Like I’m starting to see that trend more. And so I’m just doing all this stuff and at some point I basically just said, Hey, I was thinking about it very casual, like it was not like a serious lawyer conversation.
And I think because you have a nurse and you do super well and you have your own money, if that is truly the plan, I think you should get a prenup. And so she’s like, really? And I was like, yeah. And so we have this like very friendly exchange. I kind of tell her like. These are some things I think you should ask for.
Like, it wouldn’t be that expensive. Like I’m just kinda giving her the lay down and she’s like super receptive to it.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Salma: Um,
Christa Innis: because,
Salma: and so I don’t,
Christa Innis: sorry to interrupt. Was he expecting her and was it like, was he expecting her like once they got married for her to kind of stop working and like he had kind of, was it his I know and you can stop me if you don’t wanna say too much either, but like was it his idea and his thing of being like, you’re gonna quit your job, I make too much money to quit mine.
Like more of a control thing you felt?
Salma: Yeah. I mean, I think to me, had she been someone, I’d have other friends who, when they get married, that is the plan for them. That is what they want. They want to be stay at home wives stay at home mothers for like one reason or another. Right. And that is perfectly fine.
But their conversations were more like. He said, I grew up in a household where my mom never worked after marriage, and she would do X, Y, z. Like, you know, the cooking, the cleaning, the housekeeping, like
Christa Innis: telling
Salma: her what he’s
Christa Innis: responsible for.
Salma: So like, he kind of laid it out and like, and her brain, she liked being a nurse, but she didn’t love being a nurse.
So she thought, okay, this is gonna be a fair trade off. And so I guess when she presented this idea, I’m sorry, it’s not funny. Um, when she presented this idea of a prenup to this man, he just kind lost his little mind. Like it became very much of a, you know, divorce is not an option for us. We would never get divorced.
I would never let you divorce me. This is just never gonna be. And I, I think some people can romanticize those kinds of statements. But I don’t find them romantic because I think to me it’s healthier to say, I hope we never end up in a situation where we have to part ways. I hope that is never in the cards for us, and I’m not going into this marriage with any intention of that happening, but if it does, and so he reacted poorly, but I was more offended because it didn’t even become like a, I can’t believe you would want this.
It also became a, well, your friend Selma is a nightmare and I can’t believe your friend Selma would say that. And just because Selma’s single doesn’t mean she needs to ruin our relationship. And he just started saying things to her that were so hurtful. And I’m not saying I expected her to like leave this man or whatever, but.
I would never be with someone who is so comfortable, like disrespecting my friends.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Salma: So it was weird. He tried to turn it to like a look how happy we are and Salma just wants that. So she’s trying to tell you to do this thing that’s like this thing being the prenup, which just, which show that we are very insecure in our relationship and I really didn’t,
Christa Innis: words
Salma: I really think, and I think to me the worst part of it was that she drank the Koi.
Like I had known her for, I don’t know, I have six years by that point. Like I thought we had a more, you know, there’s obviously like our past criteria, she was just never someone I thought would do this. And so, as. Like basically very shortly after this, she started to be busy. She started to not make our weekly Sunday walks.
Silent Ghosting, Fallout, and 6 Years Later
She started to, and it’s okay to be busy, right? But like, wait, I mean you, the connection
Christa Innis: there,
Salma: you know, when you’re getting ghosted at some point.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Salma: And I just started to see less and less of her. And like I would send her like a couple texts over the week and not hear back and then be like, everything okay?
And she’d be like, yeah, everything’s fine. And then we have a mutual friend, because that was also in the book club that I met her at. And you know, she basically is texting me about logistics for this wedding. And I realized I never got the, like, you know, after the Rs, like after the save the date and after everything you get the official like rsvp
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Salma: Situation. I had never gotten that. And I was like, oh, this is like. For real, for real. And I realized she had privated me on her Instagram story, so I didn’t see any of the things she was doing, but she never came out and said like, I can’t be your friend anymore. Or there was never like that honest conversation.
Christa Innis: Right. Communication. Yeah. Like
Salma: it was also weird because normally with friend breakups, like you know, you have been dumped, right? Like
Christa Innis: mm-hmm.
Salma: There is an event or a conversation. This was more just, I was trying to back off because I thought she was just really stressed with the wedding and with everything going on, and it was like, oh no, she’s like intentionally trying to not be my friend anymore and not invite me to this wedding.
And like obviously later I would learn more. But yeah, I was definitely. Then the wedding happened and our mutual friend was flabbergasted because our mutual friend was not as close to this girl as I was.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Salma: So the fact that she was invited and I wasn’t was like, oh,
Christa Innis: that’s wild. And especially like you were there so much in the beginning to help her with everything you would think like just having a conversation like, so you, it makes me wonder like what kind of things he said about you to her, to make her like, like to manipulate her brain of being like, oh yeah, she’s not a good friend.
A good friend wouldn’t suggest a prenup because that means she doesn’t think we’re gonna last, or, you know, whatever That was that he’s saying that controlling language of, that’s wild. I mean it’s, it’s just, it sounds like someone that just wanted, like the guy, he just wanted her to like listen to everything he had to say and didn’t want anyone in there empowering her to maybe do go her own way a little bit.
Salma: Right. And so like, ultimately. Especially after I found out that I was not invited to this wedding, like the wedding happened, I was never brought into it. And between the ghosting, like the slow ghosting, you know how people quiet quit their jobs?
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Salma: Like I kind of felt like she was quiet, quitting our friendship.
Like it was just weird. And so I just didn’t try. I thought, you know what? If this is kind of how she sees me as a friend, or this is where I stand with her, there’s just no point. And obviously, like more recently, so this happened in my late twenties, so I feel like, you know, obviously COVID made me feel like my twenties were so long ago because COVID made everything feel much longer like that time period.
But so 20, 25 last year, I basically got this text message from her. And like I obviously don’t delete people’s phone numbers off my phone. I know some people have different policies, but I see that and I’m like, okay, this is like. I have not talked to this person in now six years ish. Like it was a long time.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Salma: And so I get that text message and I’m like, nothing could be good. Like she is not reaching out to me because something good is going on in her life. Mm-hmm. And so I basically say like, she’s like, can we get on a call? I if you’re too busy, no problem, blah, blah, blah. I was like, no, we can get on a call.
I was nosy. I wanted to know what she was like. Like
Christa Innis: I need to know. Yes. Gimme the tea.
Salma: From a purely like maybe selfish perspective, I kind of had to know like why she would, because I had to take a lot for her to get there.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. That’s what I was thinking. To have ghosted someone knowing you were in the wrong when you did that you’ve never communicated, to then have to like put your tail between your legs and be like, Hey, can we talk?
Salma: I mean, it was. I felt validated that she knew that there was a possibility that I would still leave that door open. Like that made me feel like kind of good about what I put out there. But then at the same time, I obviously was a little guarded when she called. And so during that phone call I find out that he, like the marriage has not been good.
They have had these two children at this point. She has tried her very best to do anything and everything to try to stay in the marriage because she was like, not like a super traditional, but she came from like kind of a, you know, her parents were still together, her siblings were still with their spouses.
Like she came from something where I think there was like the shame around just saying like, this has been right. And so at that point, the divorce had not been filed yet. She just wanted to know what her options were from a purely legal standpoint. I think what troubled me the most is I’m trying to have basic conversations with her about, okay, like what are roughly the expenses of the household?
Do you know what roughly he brings in salary wise? And the inability to answer any of those questions with any sort of certainty was really disheartening. Like, how did we end up here where you don’t have any control of the finances and you don’t actually know all the user’s names and passwords on all of the accounts, and you are now put in a position that it is hard to protect what you don’t know.
It is hard to, and ultimately in that situation, I told her, look, there is a, I said, why do you think that this is leading to divorce? And she just said his behavior is in like, I wanna keep trying, but I don’t, I don’t feel good about it. Um. Ultimately he was the one who filed for divorce against her
Christa Innis: wild.
The guy that doesn’t believe in divorce or were never getting a divorce. Mm-hmm.
Salma: He filed against, like, not against her, it’s not an against, but he filed for divorce to not be married to her anymore. And so those proceedings were very tough because he was self-employed. So there’s no W2 employer that you can call.
Christa Innis: Right.
Salma: Uh, she didn’t have any, he had done a really good job of moving money around, putting money in family members’ names and I was
Christa Innis: actually made,
Salma: yeah. So I mean, that was kind of a little bit of a, I mean, the divorce process was just kind of a nightmare because she just didn’t have any real good grip.
And I know people think it’s crazy that I helped her, but honestly, at some point you start to feel really sorry for somebody.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Salma: Like. I’m not saying what she did to me was okay, but I also recognize that, um, she unfortunately had to learn that lesson the hard way.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Salma: Uh, and so I just kind of went ahead and started to share that story because, you know, you see all the little trends going on in social media and everybody’s like, he, he ha ha like, I am marrying this man who is gonna be my provider and take care of me, and I don’t need to know how to pay the mortgage and I don’t need to know.
And I always like, I hate that trend.
Christa Innis: Yes. It hurts me.
Salma: So, yeah. I mean, we’re like casual now. Me and her, like acquaintances at this point, like after I helped her, like our friendship was never gonna be where it was.
Christa Innis: Right.
Salma: There were different ways that she could have handled that falling out. And, and I mean, I act really tough and vague, but like was I very hurt when I’m looking at these Instagram videos of my mutual friend and she’s at this wedding and
Christa Innis: mm-hmm.
Salma: I think I’m gonna be part of this and I’m not, because I said did something I think was seemingly innocent.
Christa Innis: Right. So,
Salma: and,
Christa Innis: and it shows that like your gut instincts about this guy were right. And it’s like, and even if they were still happily married, that’s you looking out for your friend. Like, I would never, I don’t get taking that so personally that like, oh my God, this friend wants us to break up.
That’s a friend that’s looking out and, you know, trying to help like protect. Did she say on the phone ever, like, after this call, like, any apology or like, sorry, I know things are weird between us, or like, did she say anything that like kind of made her like seem that she was apologetic at all?
Salma: Oh, absolutely.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Salma: That was the only reason. I mean, I felt sorry for her, but like the only reason I was so willing to walk her through it and try to help her and try to put her in a position where she wasn’t getting completely railroaded was because she kind of led with, how embarrassing is this? Like mm-hmm. I am so, so sorry.
And she goes, I understand this apology doesn’t seem authentic because I need something now. Or like, but I am like truly, truly, and I believe she’s sorry. And like to me I needed just some accountability. I don’t think had she not apologized, I would have been willing to help her.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Salma: Just because to me, like if you don’t, if you don’t see with how what you did to me was like not super messed up and like, I don’t know how to help you or I don’t want to help you, but she was very apologetic.
She just said, she said, you know, I know that this isn’t a good. But at the time, I so badly wanted to end up with him and I wanted to him to feel like I respected and listened to his opinion. And I know that that was, I mean, unfortunately for her too, I think during the marriage he played this card a lot.
So I think she got out of that marriage and realized her entire village had been turned to the ground for the most part.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Salma: So that is a very hard place to be, but I think a good place to start if you’ve like, this isn’t the my first rodeo. I’ve seen this before where it hasn’t been, it hasn’t personally impacted me, but I’ve seen in other people’s circles.
And I think the best thing you can do if you end up on the other side of it is just be accountable and make amends. And some people are not gonna be interested in being your friend, rightfully so. But I also think, to me, like me helping her was not a true friendship act. It was more just say, honoring what we had for a very short period of time, or not.
I mean, short period of time, six years, but like Right. Honoring our friendship when it existed in the form that it existed.
Christa Innis: Right.
Salma: And yeah, I don’t know. I mean, her life, I mean, she’s still trying to pick up her situation, but I do think that she’s a good cautionary tale because I do think people sometimes get swept up in these romantic relationships and then make decisions so that when they finally get married, they look around and they realize it’s just thumb in this man.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah. And I feel like we could go so many directions with, with this conversation, but you brought up a good point about that kind of trend of being like, I don’t know my, you know, what my husband makes, I don’t know the finances, I just kind of go spend what I want. Or maybe you don’t, you hear about that, the, the financial control too, where it’s like they’re, they’re allotted maybe like a.
You know, a couple, a hundred bucks a month or a week or whatever, whatever that looks like. But people don’t even think about out outside of, you know, splitting up whatever. What if your husband passed away? What if something like that happens? I’ve seen stories like that happen recently, where then people, the wives or the woman does not know how to log into a bank account.
They don’t know what money they were making. They don’t know what different accounts they have. And so financial control like can hurt in so many ways. Um, and I’ve seen so many trending stories now where women come on later and they’re like. Yeah, my husband of 20 years was having an affair and he made all the money and I have nothing to show for because he wanted me to be a stay at home mom.
And again, this is nothing against stay at home moms. If that’s your passion and that’s something that you’ve wanted to do, your choice, no one anyone else’s, that’s great and I fully support it. But even being a stay at home mom, you need to be know about finances. You need to be. 50 50. He needs to be like, and this could probably come from a financial advisor, but like, I think that they should be paying you, they should be paying you for what you’re doing, whether that’s a weekly paycheck or a monthly paycheck and like actually like write you out.
Um, I feel like Tori Dunlap, who I had on the podcast was talking about that too, on something, but like, you are technically like allotted the same money. And so if he’s controlling everything, and especially this guy sounds like he knew it was coming, so he’s like, I’m gonna hide where money is going. So she can’t see it and she can’t take any of it.
Then he’s more still looking at you as like a housekeeper. You know, he’s not really looking at you as a partner. Um, so that’s when, that’s something I’m like so passionate about too. I’m like, women need to be involved in the finances or the stay-at-home parent needs to be involved in finances just as much as the working or the out of house, you know, parent, um, or partner because.
Anything can happen, any life altering thing can happen, whether that’s divorce, death, um, you know, an accident. You know, you never know what that is. Um, like I even heard a story that was on the podcast where, um, a couple they never legally married and the, I think his mom was living with them and he got in a car accident or a motorcycle accident.
So he was in a coma and the mom went and said, well, they’re not legally married. She has no right to see him and like blocked him out. So there’s things like that where they never thought that would happen. So of course, as soon as he was like back to himself and she was like, we’re getting married, like this is gonna be on paper, it’s legal.
Um, so there’s all those things that people just don’t think about. And so I feel like this is something that people should really, you know, look at ahead of time. So what would you recommend someone listening, like let’s say they’re in a similar situation, like your friend pre. Maybe they are engaged right now and she plans to be a stay at home mom or, um, what would you say about like, looking into a prenup or questions to ask yourself?
Be kind before kind of getting to that point.
Salma: It always tell everybody you need a prenup. I don’t care if you’re just starting out. I don’t care if you don’t have, if you feel like you don’t have a lot of assets. Because I think a couple of the things that I’m seeing the most more recently is sports betting has become, has basically exploded, right?
Mm-hmm. You see very well positioned, smart, educated men who get trapped in the sports betting and like these kinds of different things and they basically take all the assets. They keep betting thinking, I can just win it back. I can just win it back. And so I have seen that kind of situation. I’ve seen lots of people where one person is financially like illiterate and ends up putting all this debt on credit cards and then they’re both held accountable if they get divorced.
So I always tell people when you, especially if you’re gonna be a stay at home mom, I do think that there is a little bit of a risk there and people hate when I say that, but it is just a fact of life. There is a little bit of a risk there where I always tell people, like when you’re going in, the prenup doesn’t have to be fancy.
It just has to basically say like, I’m not gonna be responsible for any of your debt. Especially debt that is accumulated in a way that is dissipating the assets. Like you have a shopping problem, you bet all our money away. That way if something happens after you’re married, you’re not on the hook for your partners bad decisions if you need to divorce ’em.
I also tell them like, you need like a brokerage account or like. Basically a retirement account as well, if you can post it. So just agree, I’m gonna put in a thousand dollars into this brokerage account a month for you, depending on how much your partner makes.
Christa Innis: Mm.
Salma: And that way you have money that is growing in the background that you don’t see, you don’t hear about, you don’t talk about outside of making trades.
Right. And then I have seen people build in a, I’m not gonna call it a little allowance because I hate that word. Mm-hmm. But it is basically a salary that it is a bank account where the woman or the man if, if we’re doing the reverse, if this is like a stay at home dad situation, they can like reverse it so that there is a certain percentage of the paycheck that gets put in the separate account.
And it is her do not ask, do not tell account where she can spend that money. And it is like, if there’s something she’s had her eye on and she wants to buy it and he just thinks it’s like a ridiculous purchase, this is her money to kind of do. Whatever, or he, whatever he wants to do with. And I think it’s like a lot of people take that money and they don’t touch it.
Christa Innis: Mm.
Salma: Because I think it is like a little bit of like a safety, but it’s not supposed to be an an account where the kids, you know, the kids’ stuff gets taken out of it or the household expenses get taken out of. So there are just so many things you can put a prenup to just protect yourself financially in a way that, especially if you’re marrying someone who’s self-employed.
I don’t know. I think I probably have PTSD because I had a really complicated case in my twenties with somebody whose husband was a, he was self-employed and she had absolutely no money. And watching the way that that played out through the court system just like broke my little heart because we threw everything we had at it.
But it was just a very complicated situation because everyone’s like, well, I’ll just go hire a forensic accountant. And I’m like, with what money? Who’s gonna pay the $500 an hour for the forensic accountant that you’re talking about? And so I just always tell people like, there are very basic things you can do, and it doesn’t have to be this expensive or lengthy process, but I, you know, if you never get divorced and you live happily ever after and neither of you die anytime soon or get incapacitated, you don’t have to ever use it.
Like
Christa Innis: mm-hmm.
Salma: And with stay at home moms, especially like a prenup is not just if you get divorced, some, the rules of the prenup can apply during the marriage. So you write it out to apply during the marriage. So you are basically getting all of the financial benefits while you’re married so that you don’t have to wait for an event to happen to start getting those financial benefits.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I love it. It’s just like, it’s like planning through everything because. I feel like it had this like negative connotation where it’s like, oh, okay, that means you’re gonna split up. But it’s just, it’s planning and it’s prepping. And like you said, no one goes into a marriage thinking, oh, we’re gonna get divorced.
Oh this is gonna happen. You know, like it’s just planning for it. And I think so many people kind of just go in trusting the man maybe, or whoever they’re gonna marry. Um, like in this situation it’s I very controlling of like, okay, you’re going to, I’m gonna control all this. You’re gonna cook, clean, whatever.
Um, so I think this is a really important conversation because even if ultimately that’s what you want to do, I think you have to be like, okay, well how’s this gonna work best for us? Um, and I think you made a good point too about, um, putting in there about like not paying debts. ’cause there was a story I read, I feel like it was on the podcast now, I can’t remember, but where she didn’t know until after they got married that he had like $40,000 of debt.
From gambling and he was basically like, well, yours is mine and I need you to help me pay it off. And so, you know, you hear those stories and it’s like, again, people always say, it’s not gonna happen to me. They don’t think it’s gonna happen to them, but it does. Um, and so just like planning for that, we’re seeing a lot of women open up about going through a divorce where they least expected it and they were at home for the last 25 years.
Um, so yeah, I think that’s, that’s great advice. Great advice.
Salma: I also, this is really, really just a quick side story. So I’m literally at my apartment and I have my door half open because I am moving like groceries in and out. And this woman who has just moved into my building, she’s in her mid sixties and she’s not the demographic for who lives in this.
This high rise that I live in, right? Like this is not who normally moves in. It’s like mainly like young professionals.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Salma: And so she kind of pokes her head in and she’s like, hi. She’s like being really nice and I’m like, hi. You know, like, what are you doing? I’m trying to, and she just starts like spilling on me, like spilling on me.
And she’s like, yeah, I just got settled into my apartment. I’m trying to get used to like moving from a five bedroom house to a, to a one bedroom apartment. And you know, my daughter just came to visit me and she was baffled and I was like, oh really? Like, you know, I could tell she just like needed to talk to someone and I was just standing there like, okay.
But she was basically, literally in that 10 minutes we were out in the hallway. She’s telling me about how she had been married since she was 21. She is now in her mid sixties. They had three children together. She never worked, did everything for this household. She. Did everything. She thought she was the perfect mom, the perfect parent, the perfect wife.
She would tell me all these like things where she was literally giving her kids all this advice about how to be a good partner. And then her husband very, very suddenly just tells her like, I just fell out of, like fell out of love with you a long time ago. And I was trying to stay for the kids and I don’t wanna stay for the kids anymore.
And I know how selfish that is. And despite the fact of him saying how selfish she was, he was willing to duke it out in court. And so now she’s living in this apartment where she just doesn’t have a lot to, that’s just a bad way to go out when you think this is gonna be your forever person. And so I just think, I see people all the time and nobody gets married thinking.
Oh, we’re gonna get divorced. Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Right.
Salma: My husband’s gonna suddenly pass away. You know, like nobody goes into it thinking that. So I think that it should just not be taboo. Like we need to get away from this idea that a prenups indicates anything about your marriage or your future marriage. And we need to start, especially women, I hate to say it, I’m not saying it, that men don’t also get raw deals.
I’m just saying that the majority of the cases where I have seen divorces go wrong, it is always the woman who gets smacked.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah. I know. I think, and I think we’re seeing more from that older generation kind of coming out and realizing it. Because also in that generation it was more, you know, typical to either get married before college, find your partner in college, get married right away, forgo the, you know.
Job after college, get married, have kids, and become a stay at home mom. That was way more common, I think my parents’ generation, the generation before that. And so I think now that generation, a lot of them are realizing like either like, oh, I didn’t really get to do the things I wanted to do, or I don’t really have, like, something that be was mine.
You know? Like obviously like they had kids and they raised kids and I’m not downplaying that at all. That is very hard work. As, as a mom, I’m a mom myself and I, it’s very hard work, but I just feel like a lot of them, because I’ve talked to um, similar people, like you said, have your neighbor, similar people in my neighborhood.
And like, it wasn’t until like, one is a lady in her eighties in my neighborhood, and it wasn’t until her husband passed away that she started coming out on walks and like meeting other people in the neighborhood. And now she’s literally like this social butterfly. She was like, I didn’t know anybody before he died.
And I was like, oh, like. Why? And then she was like, and he left me all these papers to deal with. I didn’t know how to like go through his stuff. Like she didn’t know like any of their account, like any of this stuff. And a similar situation where like when I started seeing her out on walks, like we would just talk for like an hour because she was just wanted to talk to somebody and now everybody knows who she is.
And I feel like you’re, that was kind of their, the generation of like, you just get married, you stay home with the kids and um, while the partner or the dad gets to go out and kind of do his thing. So I think women now are learning to take a little bit more control, hopefully and learning from stories like the ones you shared, um, because it’s never too late to kinda like take back that control and um, even if it’s something small, but just finding some way to kind of like own it, I would say.
Salma: Yeah. And if anybody’s listening, you can still get a postnuptial agreement in most states, so just look into it. It’s not too late. Just kidding.
Christa Innis: There you go. I love it. Okay, let’s get into. Today’s blind story. Are you still, are you okay on time? I know we’re kind of going a little, a little over.
Salma: Yeah, I’m fine.
Red Light, Green Light: Legal Edition
Christa Innis: Okay. All right. Awesome. So actually before we do that, let’s do a little, uh, red light, green light. These are just little, um, little suggestions. And then based on, based on what it is, let me know if you think it’s a red light or green light. Okay. Paying a large deposit in cash or via Venmo with no paper trail,
Salma: red light,
Christa Innis: uh, verbal agreements with vendors you trust.
Salma: Red light
Christa Innis: hosting a backyard wedding without event insurance.
Salma: Red light,
Christa Innis: allowing guests to bring their own alcohol,
Salma: red light,
Christa Innis: like, uh, tagging vendors while complaining about them.
Salma: Word red light
Christa Innis: recording conversations without consent.
Oh, I think you cut out.
Salma: Oh, I said red light.
Christa Innis: Oh, okay. Yeah. Um, using a generic online prenup, template
Salma: red light.
Christa Innis: I didn’t know that was a thing. Um, assuming the venue is responsible for all guest safety,
Salma: red light.
Christa Innis: All right. Okay. Let’s get into this story. This is from one of the followers I’ve not read yet, so here we go.
Pre-Wedding Tension
Hi. First off, I love your videos. I’ll start with a bit of a backstory so things are easier to understand. I’m from Scotland and my now husband is from England. We met online nine years ago. He’s lived in Scotland with me for eight years, and we’ve been married for two years. We have a 13-year-old son, my son from a previous relationship and a 6-year-old daughter.
On my side of the family. I have a lot of extended relatives, but my immediate family is just my mom, my brother, my half sister from my dad. My dad passed away shortly after my sister was born when I was 12. I’m like getting this family tree like in my head. My husband’s parents are divorced. He has an older brother who’s married and a younger sister who’s married.
Neither of them has kids. His sister lives in Dubai for work and has done so since our daughter was born. Neither siblings has a close relationship with my husband and they don’t really know our kids. Okay. There’s the backstory. My husband had cancer as a child, and then again the year before we got married.
He beat cancer both times after extremely hard battles with treatment during chemo. The second time, he had to go to appointments alone due to COVID restrictions at the hospital, so I couldn’t be there with him after he got all cleared. Just a year before our wedding, he of course called his mom and dad to share the good news.
He also told his mom he would phone his sister the next day as the day as the time difference met. It was 11:00 PM in Dubai, and since she’s a teacher, he assumed that she would be asleep. His mom told her friend who told her daughter, who then texted his sister saying it was great news that my husband had the all clear.
So his sister ended up finding out via friend’s text message, no big deal or so we thought. So then she called my husband in floods of tears saying she was devastated that he didn’t call her personally. He explained that he had fully intended to call the next day. She guilt tripped him, saying how hard it was for her to go through this again after watching him battle cancer as a child for context, during the six months he was undergoing treatment, she only called once to ask how he was doing.
Another time she called her mom while she, while she was visiting us, and asked on speaker phone whether he put on a, asked on speaker phone, whether he put on a lot of weight due to steroids. I heard the entire conversation. She also lied about how she found out. She, he was all in the clear claiming it was her husband who saw it on their dad’s Facebook page.
That wasn’t true. Their dad doesn’t even have her husband on Facebook, and he only posted about it after the phone call. We still have no idea why she lied. That’s odd. Their mom simply said their daughter was just upset because she hadn’t been called first. That’s a bit of the background for the wedding drama that fall.
Okay, now we’re into the wedding drama. Okay. I love when they give like extra details though. ’cause I’m like, I always have so many questions. I’m like, okay, what’s, what’s the background to this disagreement?
Salma: All
Christa Innis: right. Our wedding was planned at a Scottish castle near the Scotland, England border. That sounds amazing.
So everyone attended would need to travel because of this. Most guests booked hotels as the castle had limited rooms. We offered these rooms to close family, family first, including both of my husband’s siblings, both declined. His brother said he’d get a hotel in a nearby village. His sister said that since it was a year before the wedding, she wasn’t sure she would be able to attend due to work, which we understood.
His mom decided to take one of the rooms and talked often about wanting to spend time with our kids since she doesn’t see them much. She mentioned wishing she could babysit them the way her kids babysits her own grandkids. Um, because of this, we asked if she’d like to have the kids stay in her room on the night of the wedding so she could spend extra time with them.
She was thrilled. We booked her a room with an extra bed so the kids could stay with her. At the time our son was 10 and our daughter was four. Our son is autistic and he doesn’t cope well. With too much change, this becomes relevant later. She’s great with all the details. Um, as time went on, we started to finalize menus and food choices for our vendors.
We called his sister to confirm her menu selections and double check that her husband wouldn’t be joining us as he couldn’t get the time off work. During that call, my husband asked whether she booked her flights and accommodations yet since we were now just over a month away from the wedding. She snapped at him saying she couldn’t deal with it herself and didn’t need him checking in on her.
She then said, you should be more effing grateful. I’m coming to your wedding. Jeez. Oh gosh. Okay. I’m glad we got that backstory. ’cause now I can like picture the dynamic. Uh oh. I don’t know if, okay. I think your sound keeps cutting out.
Salma: Oh, sorry. I just said yikes.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Um, at that point, my husband simply said goodbye and ended the call.
A week later, his mom was on the phone with him discussing wedding plans, and mentioned how stressed his sister was about traveling for the wedding. We reminded her that we’d always told his sister, we completely understood if she couldn’t make it due to distance costs or work, they’re probably like, please just don’t come at this point.
Salma: Basically,
Christa Innis: yeah, save us the drama. His mom then casually said, money wasn’t the issue because his aunt was paying for his sister’s plane ticket as part of a wedding gift to us. Okay. So that my husband could have his sister at his big day. That does not feel like a wedding gift to the couple.
Salma: No. I was like, that’s very odd.
It’s extremely odd.
Christa Innis: I know. I’d be like pay for the couple’s room or their flight. What his aunt couldn’t attend herself as she lives in Australia and had work commitments. Then his mom added that. she’d been thinking his sister could just squeeze into her room with the kids.
So we said no, we didn’t think that was a good idea. A the room was for three people. There was one double bed that his mom and our daughter were going to share and a single bed for our son. Our kids don’t really know his sister very well, and our son would be uncomfortable sharing a room with someone he doesn’t know.
Well, this went back and forth for a few days. His sister was crying on the phone to their mom saying it was unfair and nasty for us to say She doesn’t know the kids. Didn’t they already offer the room? And she said, no.
Salma: Yes. I don’t understand. I’m getting like anxiety for these people
Christa Innis: I know like. I always feel bad for the couple, like having to deal with this kind of drama before their wedding.
Like they should be excited counting it on the days and this would make me not want it to happen because you’re gonna have to deal with someone like this.
Salma: I just would want let that person to not come.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Be like, can you not pay for her to come? Please be that. Make that our gift. Just don’t pay. His mom kept asking for her to be squeezed in.
Eventually we made the decision to ask my mom if she could have the kids the night of the wedding instead, since it seemed like his sister was going to try to stay in that room anyway, so we told his mom she could have her daughter stay in the room with her, but the kids would be in a different room.
Wedding Weekend and Tantrum Blowups
She was upset, but said, okay, fast forward past a few other bits and pieces and it’s now the wedding day. Everything goes well and it seems like everyone’s having a good time. In Scotland, we have a tradition of ending parties, especially weddings, with a song, a dance called. I might pronounce this wrong.
Lock Lamond. Lamond Lomond. My husband had told his family he was so excited to include them in this tradition and that it would be the final song of the night. The song before that, don’t look back in anger as he’s from Manchester. The DJ announced it was time for the final two songs and asked everyone to come to the dance floor.
We were gathering everyone. When we saw his sister and mom heading upstairs. My husband went over and said, why are you going? Where are you going? Quick, it’s time for the last dances. His sister said she was tired from traveling and needed to go to bed since their mom was driving them. She needed to sleep too.
It was roughly 11:45 PM My husband said, come on mom. I told you this was important to me. Just two more songs. His sister Huffed and stormed upstairs. I’m like, seen this as like a toddler like, like she’s a grown adult. It
Salma: doesn’t sound like a grown adult.
Christa Innis: No. Like what is this? His mom reluctantly came back to the dance floor, we danced, said good night to everyone and headed to bed the next morning at breakfast.
Everyone was sitting quietly talking about the night before and laughing about sore heads. Then my sister-in-law came to into the breakfast hall and said to their mom, come on, will you leave now? Or we’ll be late. I need to get to the airport. My mother-in-law got up halfway through breakfast, went upstairs to get her things.
So now she can’t even enjoy the wedding ’cause the sister has to go. my husband and I went out to the reception area and said goodbye. His sister was at the car crying. His mom coldly said, goodbye Mr. Lafferty. Have a nice life. Wait, what? My husband took my last name. So she said it like in a rude way.
Ooh, that’s awesome. Her husband took her last name. That’s cool. Um. Goodbye. Mr. Lafferty. Have a nice life. What did they do to the mom? That’s so weird.
Salma: Oh no. That is very
Christa Innis: strange.
Salma: Oh,
Christa Innis: he said, what? What does that mean? Am I not going to see you? She scuffed and walked off. Two seconds later, she came running back in because she had forgotten the bouquet of flowers we’d given her the night before.
She went upstairs to get them on her way back down. My husband asked, what’s wrong with her? Why is she crying? His mom replied in a nasty tone, oh, work it out for yourself. What is going on with this family? That’s completely dampen? That completely dampened our wedding week. My husband was devastated. He wouldn’t look at videos or his phone or photos.
He didn’t want to read the cards. He just wanted to understand why they acted that way. So now they’re making it about themselves like they can’t even enjoy this moment because mom and sister are having a freak breakout. I don’t even know.
Salma: I like hate that for her.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Like all that’s
Salma: like a bad way to go.
Like that’s like a bad way to start your marriage or like your wedding.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Because now everything’s just like, your memories are gonna be all about how they acted on this day. They had to make it about themselves, the sister. It’s like every little thing the sister had a complaint about, she would’ve made it so much better if she just didn’t come.
Aftermath, Excuses, and Takeaways
A week later. He called his mom his first call since the wedding. She said the reason his sister was so upset was because he didn’t make her feel special enough at the wedding. What was he supposed to have a sister brother dance? Like?
Salma: I have no idea that, that’s so cringe.
Christa Innis: Yeah, girl. Like you can’t let your brother have his day with his wife.
Salma: It just kinda gives me the ick too. It’s like, why are you so obsessed with your brother and like you don’t like him giving women attention? Like
Christa Innis: mm-hmm.
Salma: That’s just really, really strange to me.
Christa Innis: Yes. It’s like there’s like a jealousy or insecurity that like he’s spending time with his wife and not you. I just read a similar story like this where the sisters like demanded to be in the brother’s wedding and they’re like, we’re actually not having people in our wedding.
We’re gonna have each have one person. And they like showed up in these matching like bridesmaid style dresses and they had the DJ announce them because they couldn’t stand not being a part of the wedding. And I’m just like, I cannot imagine being so self-important at someone else’s wedding.
Salma: Honestly.
That’s really embarrassing too.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Salma: To just like take that upon yourself like, gosh.
Christa Innis: Also like what DJ is gonna be like, oh yeah, I’ll add that into the announcement. I’d be like, I did not get that from the bride and groom, so no, I will not be announcing.
Salma: Absolutely. So
Christa Innis: weird. Um, okay, so she said, bearing in mind A, it wasn’t her wedding B, she had had her own wedding four years earlier.
So she’s already, she was married and had her own day. C she’s a 30-year-old woman, not a child. ’cause yeah, I keep picturing like a 5-year-old or four or 5-year-old, like stomping up the stairs. Um. Apparently she couldn’t understand why she didn’t get a special mention or role in our wedding. My brother walked me down the aisle and made a speech because he was standing in for our dad.
My, my sister was a junior bridesmaid. We didn’t even know if his sister would be attending until about three months before the wedding, at her wedding. Neither my husband nor I had any special role. I wasn’t a bridesmaid and he wasn’t a groomsman, so why? Even more so. Why is she expecting? My God, it’s wild.
In my husband’s speech, he thanked everyone for traveling. He didn’t single anyone out. He thanked his mom and dad and my mom and that was it. then his mom said his sister was upset about her seating arrangement. She claimed she was seated at a table with no one she knew. In reality, we seated her next to a lifelong family, friend and neighbor.
All our tables were mixed family groups. His mom then claimed his sister didn’t know this family friend, his friend very well. Even though during photos when the photographer said, okay, all the groom’s family, his sister shouted for this friend to join the photo because she’s family. So ridiculous. Like some people will just find anything to complain about.
Plus like even when I’ve gone to weddings where I’m set at a table where I don’t really know anyone, you’re there for such a short amount of time. Grab a drink, eat your food, and make conversation like I’m such an like,
Salma: hang out.
Christa Innis: Yeah. It’s not that hard. Like I’m an introvert and I can, I can make myself do it.
And then you’re on the dance floor and you can see your family and friends. Like, I just don’t get, when people make someone else’s wedding about themselves, it’s so, such odd behavior.
Salma: This sort of took it like a step too far.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And then like the crying off on like the side. And constantly like having people ask like, oh, what’s wrong with them?
Not saying anything until like months later when the mom has to speak for you. Like
Salma: they’re nicer than I am. I would’ve been saying some stuff, like, it would not have been just like a, oh, what did we do? It would’ve been like, uh, you got to go.
Christa Innis: Yeah. You are killing the vibe right now. Can you please just go to your room?
You’re gonna act like a toddler. Go. Um, I, during that phone call, his mom kept repeating how incredibly hurt and upset his sister was. My husband said, well, I’m upset too. It was my wedding day and you’ve both tried to make it about her. His mom replied, well, she’s really upset. Like, I just hear it. The story has changed at least 10 times since.
First it was that she didn’t feel special, then it was that she was worried about missing her flight because of traffic. And then it was that she was tired from traveling and then it was that she wasn’t upset at all. The story has changed so much that honestly I feel crazy sometimes. And this is only a snippet of their behavior over the years.
Thanks for the videos you shared. They really helped me feel not so crazy knowing other people deal with complicated family drama too. Oh my gosh. So now they have to deal with those people, their marriage like, and that I feel like pulls people apart. Like if, if they don’t actually like set their intentions of like, okay, it’s us versus everybody else, I think that’s where it can get complicated.
’cause you see, like, you’ll see like the husband get pulled in a lot of the stories like, oh, well your, your wife said this to me. Or you know, some, you hear stories like that happen all the time, but the fact that they’re changing their story, I think they just wanna feel like the victim.
Salma: I think that’s like a problem though.
’cause I feel like that’s not gonna stop. It’s gonna just be every year it’s gonna be something. It’s gonna be, quite honestly, like I think the bride is being very gracious by trying to be like patient and let her husband handle it.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Salma: But I just think that would get old very fast.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Like everything,
Salma: just like laced the boundaries.
Christa Innis: Yes. Everything I feel like would, would feel like a chore. It’d be like, okay, are we gonna get together for Thanksgiving or something? It’d be like, sister’s gonna be like, well, I don’t know. You know, like the back and forth. Well, does anyone want me there? You know? And that’s just like exhausting to be around someone like that.
So I feel like the only way is to have really limited contact, which I think it sounds like they don’t all live close by each other, so maybe it is limited. And then just not dealing with the mom’s like victim. Talk about the sister. Because I think that’s why the sister learns to behave that way because the mom puts up with it and is like, oh, your sister.
And then she’s like, oh yeah, I am the victim.
Salma: Uh, I think that’s like a lot of enabling, I don’t know.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Salma: I just like feel like weddings where you’re like, people spend so much time and money and energy into having that one day and then for people to just not be able to get it together for such a short period of time drives me crazy.
’cause I’m like
Christa Innis: mm-hmm.
Salma: Who knew his sister was gonna be like enemy number one while this is all going on. I just think that’s like hard, especially based on everything she shared with us. It doesn’t really seem like I could maybe understand if at her wedding four years ago they did something unforgivable and like ruined her wedding or something and now this was like a revenge plot of some sort.
But it just kind of sounds like this other woman is very entitled and so I don’t know how you fix that.
Christa Innis: Right. I feel like it’s like too far, too gone because what are they saying? It’s, it started after, um, the sister not getting the call right. About his cancer, but they said even while he had cancer, she called like once to ask how he was doing.
So it, it’s again, it’s like that, that woe is me kind of attitude of like, even if they had, she had been the first person to call, right? When he got the news, she would’ve found some reason. Oh, I wasn’t at the meeting, I was at the appointment. You know, whatever. ’cause there’s just some people that are gonna, that want to feel like the victim.
You
Salma: do well with those people.
Christa Innis: Yeah. You gotta, you gotta, like you said, strict boundaries with those kind of people. ’cause they just, they lay, they are like, they’re like the gray cloud in a room because there’s always something you can always tell when they’re gonna complain about something or, or, um, make something about that.
So. I am sorry. I hope, I hope you guys are at least on the same page, this bride that sent this in. As long as, I feel like as long as you and your partner are on the same page about boundaries and what you will and will not stand for, I think that will make it easier. Um, and limited, limited contact for sure.
Um, okay. I like to end these with or end these episodes with confessions that people send me on Instagram. Um, so this week we asked anything you want to get off your chest vent, rant, or share something that happened recently. Okay. This person said, I never want to be a bridesmaid again.
Salma: I think a lot of us probably feel that way.
Christa Innis: It’s a lot. I mean, I feel like it’s a, it’s a lot of work. Like I feel like I got all my bridesmaid time out before I got married myself. Like I haven’t been a bridesmaid since I was married, but I didn’t like nine times, nine or 10 times and. It was a lot. It’s a lot in your twenties and thirties and it’s just, it’s like a full-time job when you’re, if you’re like an active one, you don’t have to be, but I got lucky.
But I’ve, I’ve heard obviously terrible like bridezilla stories where like they expect you to spend so much money and like, like you’re, you should revolve around them, you know, and the world stops when, when they’re getting married and it’s just like, I can understand that. That’s, that’d be hard. Um, okay.
This person says, I’m so angry that I have zero relationship with my older brother since our parents died. I think that
Salma: happens actually.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I think that happens to a lot of siblings because I think a lot of times it’s like the parents are what holds them together maybe. And if it was already kind of like struggling, but yeah.
That’s, that’s really sad. Um, I wish I’d spent more time to plan something a bit more special for my wedding. Um, okay. This is a three part, one mother in, mother-in-law and I are hosting a gender reveal for brother-in-law and wife. Wife keeps making expensive last minute changes instead of trusting the mother-in-law.
And I had everything under control. Turns out it’s wife’s mom being the issue and has been strong arming brother-in-law and wife to do things her way or not at all. That’s unfortunately very common and that’s when you need to have those strict boundaries. And just being like, because it’s, because I feel like when you start allowing a little bit to happen with someone like that, like you’re like, okay, yeah, we’ll make this one change.
’cause you said it, it’s like a, what is it? Give an inch. They’ll take a mile or whatever. Someone like that they know. They know who they can easily manipulate. I see it all the time.
Salma: It’s like frustrating though.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Salma: May I never be a mother like that one day.
Christa Innis: Right. I know. It’s like people like that. I wonder if they like, can see that they’re being that way.
I don’t know. It’s, yeah. Some people just can’t let go or let someone else like take the lead of something ’cause they think they’re just gonna do it better. All right, last one. My mother-in-law got both of my kids 30 plus gifts. Each asked after we asked her to tone it down this year. So frustrated. I’m guessing for the holidays or for Christmas or something, or maybe their birthdays.
That’s wild. As a parent, I would, that would overwhelm me. I can’t even imagine. That’s
Salma: just much stuff.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And
Salma: stuff you have to keep in your house.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. As my child’s parent. I don’t get her more than like two things for like a birthday and then maybe a couple more, like for a holiday. I like, I, I get very overwhelmed by stuff.
So 30 gifts that I don’t even know, I can’t even comprehend. 30 gifts. That’s too,
Salma: they must have money. Money,
Christa Innis: yeah. Well and then I feel like then when kids get so much stuff, they don’t value the things they do have.
Salma: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Because they’re like, oh, I’m just gonna get more stuff. Or they use it once and it goes in the garbage.
So like, I hate that personally. So I’m very like, we’re gonna get something that you’re gonna use multiple ways and like for many years. ’cause I, I hate just like, I hate just things sitting around that you’re just not gonna use.
Salma: Agree.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Alright, well thanks for hanging out with me. Thanks for coming on this, this week.
it was so nice meeting you. And, um. I feel like your story is a very good cautionary tale for many
Salma: thanks for hosting me. I had fun. I mean, this has been like a fun way to spend my, I guess it’s evening at this point, but yeah. Fun way to spend my evening and, um, I think you put out a lot of good content for people to just kind of take a pause and like that woman said, like, not feel alone because if you feel like you’re the only person dealing with crazy people, you’re not.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Salma: So I think there’s something about feeling validated.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Salma: And feeling like, okay, this is not unique. I’m not the only person dealing with this. But yeah. This has been fun. Thank you so much for inviting me.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I know. It’s wild. ’cause like when I first started sharing like a couple, like stories and stuff, like, just like stuff I’d heard over the years from like weddings, I never knew how, how wild and how many stories people had to share about this kind of thing.
Um, like. It just like blows my mind. So I think it’s a great, like safe space to be able to share and like talk to other people, set stronger boundaries and all that. Um, so for anyone listening, can you tell everyone where they can follow you on social media, um, and where kind of anything fun you’re working on, what they can, what they can expect from your content, all that good stuff?
Salma: Yeah, so I am primarily only on one. I know this is like not what everybody does, but I’m only on, basically the only thing I use is TikTok and I am Selma. Your big or Selma your lawyer. Big sis. Sorry. But yes, that is the only account I really use. I do have an Instagram, but it is like purely just family and people from college, like friends.
So it’s like very private. Right. I always feel bad because a lot of people from TikTok migrate over there.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Salma: And I’m like, I’m sorry, I wanna keep this private. Um, and it’s not like that personal, it’s just that like some of the people that. I talk about that have given me permission, aren’t on my Instagram, and I just wanna like, protect their privacy.
Yes. Um, but I do like a lot of like attorney talk. I do a lot of my own story times that most of ’em are not about weddings, not my content. Um, but yeah, it’s just kind of, I had like a while there I, where I was posting a lot about Indianapolis, um, but then people started accusing me of being paid by the city for tourism.
I mean really, I was just like, I thought this was what everybody did. Like if I like a place, I’m gonna shout it out.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Salma: But yeah, that’s primarily, it’s like fun for me. TikTok I think is a lot of fun.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Salma: Um, and so that is the only mode of social media I use because it’s the only one that brings me joy.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I love it. I feel like tiktoks like a fun, easy way to like start making content too. ’cause it’s just like, I don’t know. At least for me, I felt like a lot of the pressure was off. Like Instagram is like. I dunno the idea of Instagram still, like I, I post on there now, but like when I first started years ago, it’s just like that, like picture perfect.
Like everything is very like Instagram models and I’m like, I don’t know about that. But now I think it’s changing a little bit, but tiktoks definitely more, less, less pressure like that. Well, awesome. Like I said, it was so nice meeting you and I loved your story. I think it’s really important for more people to hear that kinda story.
So I’m hoping this reaches new ears and they can find and follow your content and learn more of your awesome advice.
Salma: Perfect. Thank you so much.
Christa Innis: Thank you.
Jealous Sister Behavior, Wedding Day Blowups, and a Last-Minute Family Switch-Up
My new book Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story is live!
Family reconciliation, your wedding plans back on track… and just a little more drama to go with it. Again.
This week, we read part two of a wedding submission about the sister’s lies, manipulation, and boundary-crossing behavior being finally exposed, forcing a reckoning that flips the entire family dynamic. Just when everything is out in the open and a reset feels possible, the story refuses to end there.
As I dive into what happens next, the stress doesn’t slow down, it multiplies. The mother-in-law pulls back, and support starts to feel conditional at best. Every step forward comes with something new to figure out, until the ex-wife’s eight demands take a turn just days before the wedding.
Also, turns out the drama had more to say. Our Book 2, Drama Ever After is in the works!
Listen to this episode for unexpected turns, family drama, and a wedding that really can’t catch a break.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Living Under One Roof – Staying with family during planning brings tension right back to the surface, proving that proximity doesn’t fix problems.
- The Wedding Dilemma: Blocked & Uninvited – A listener gets removed from a bachelorette group chat, blocked, and uninvited after already paying for the wedding.
- The Sister Still Doesn’t Get It – Even after everything is exposed, accountability is shaky, and the behavior doesn’t fully stop.
- Mother-in-Law Switch-Up – Support starts to shift, energy changes, and what once felt helpful begins to feel uncertain.
- The Bridal Shower Letdown – Plans that were once promised quietly fall through, leaving the bride to adjust expectations in real time.
- Money, But Make It Stressful – Loans, shifting budgets, and financial pullbacks turn support into another layer of pressure.
- Flight Plans in Flux – Travel expectations don’t align, adding tension to an already overloaded timeline.
- Court Date Before “I Do” – Just one day before the wedding, a legal situation involving the ex-wife raises the stakes and threatens the entire plan.
- The Drama Doesn’t Peak, It Piles – Instead of one big explosion, this story builds layer by layer, proving some wedding chaos doesn’t end, it evolves.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “When people show you who they are, believe them. ”
- “ Never loan money you aren’t prepared to give away. ”
- “People don’t communicate, and they just take what one person says instead of actually confronting the situation. It could have all been avoided.”
- “ I appreciate when people are forward with how they feel and communicating because passive aggression creates more problems.”
- “Every relationship is so different and nuanced. It’s hard to know.”
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Christa Innis: Hey guys. Welcome back to another episode of Here Comes The Drama. We are the podcast that dives into the chaos, hilarity, and unforgettable moments when it comes to weddings, events, and beyond. I’m your host, Christa Innis, today’s episode is a solo one. So we are just gonna dive right in. Starting off, I’m gonna read the review of the week.
This is from Toria. I look forward to all of the drama. It’s my guilty pleasure. Thank you for your kind review. If you guys are loving the podcast, please help me out by leaving a review, sharing with a friend. It just helps the word. Get out to more people and more people listening to these crazy and wild stories.
just a quick little update. I know I haven’t talked about it in a while, so I thought I would just share here. I’m currently working on book number two. if you are watching the current skit, which as I’m recording this, I’m on part 31 of the Bride Brielle skit. I’m recording this like a month ahead of time when you actually will listen to it.
So who’s to say if the, if this skit will still be going on, or if I took a pause and did something else. But, as I’m doing this skit, some of you guys are commenting like, can this be your next book? I love this story. This story’s so interesting. so it led me to. Realize I need to share more about the current book that I’m working on.
So in case you’re new here, book number one was, here Comes the Drama they focus on the characters. Ferris and Sloan from a skit that I started, gosh, we’re talking like two summers ago now. It’s wild. and the book came out Middle of June last year. and it was a great success.
It’s been so much fun sharing and seeing it all come to life. My goal has always been to write a book, so because you guys loved it so much, that book covered most of season one of the Ferris and Sloan story. I say most of in season one-ish, because once I took it onto paper, there’s a lot of things. I moved around, new dialogue added.
I made sure it just like. Flowed better, if that makes sense. because there’s some things when it as did it as a skit, it just didn’t really make sense. so the next book I’m working on is Drama Ever After. This is book number two. That kind of covers season two-ish. This one we’re really diving into the details, the background of each person, adding way more scenes that were never in the skits because as a one person.
Actor, skit, creator. There’s a lot I can’t do. Okay. A lot. So my imagination runs wild with a lot of these scenes and, let’s just say this book really takes it to a whole new level. I have my proof back, my manuscript back from my literary agent, and I’m currently going through all of my detailed edits, more of the, Developmental edits. I’m learning all the phrases as I go. So yes, so there is a book too in the works. I don’t have details on when it’ll be released or what that’s looking like yet. Um, we’re kind of going through a different process for this one than the first one. lots of exciting things ahead.
Not saying that the bride, Brielle won’t be a book, but the Ferris and Sloan storyline is my first priority. And then we’ll kind of see from there. If you have not yet read, here comes the drama, a Ferris and Sloan story. Grab your copy today. You can get it on Amazon, Cobo, Barnes and Noble. there’s a few others I’m not thinking of.
We have all the links below. You guys can check it out. and tag me on social media when you get it at. Hey Krista Ennis. I love seeing like where you guys are reading the book, your thoughts on the book. Create a cool video, I’ll reshare it. it’s just means so much to me to see it out there in the world and, hear what you guys think.
Wedding Dilemma: Blocked, Uninvited, and Owed Money
Let’s get into this week’s wedding dilemma. So these are different situations you guys are currently going through. Many of you guys DM them to me. You can also email it to me at hello@kristaennis.com and they’re kind of situations you’re going through currently and you just want some advice on again, I always wanna start this by saying I’m no expert, so this is just my own personal advice. Take it or leave it. Okay. This is what she says. They say, I should say, so I worked for this woman while she was planning her wedding. When I first started my job, she asked if I would go to her hen as we call the bachelorette party here.
and later I received a full wedding invitation, which I was happy to accept. I paid money toward accommodation for the hen party was about to pay for the other activities when I realized I had been removed from the group chat and blocked. I was also uninvited from the wedding. Am I okay to go to my former employer’s place of work and demand my money back?
Whoa. Okay. So I feel like there’s a lot missing from the story too, because it says you worked with a woman that was planning her wedding when you started a job. She had asked if you wanted to go at the end, you’re saying your former employer’s place of work. So somewhere in between that, I don’t know how long it was, you stopped working with this person because originally I’m thinking like.
doesn’t she know she’s gonna see you at work every day? Like, isn’t that gonna be awkward? So it sounds like to me, maybe you don’t work there anymore. I don’t know. Maybe you left, maybe you lost your job. I’m not sure the situation maybe you don’t talk to this person anymore. They don’t talk to you.
I feel like it’s very complicated when it comes to coworkers, right? Like. When you see someone every day, you’re like, these are my best friends. I would die for these people. I’ve had coworkers like that where I’m just like, you see them all the time, so you make plans with them.
You, wanna do things outside of work with them. You really get to know people that you work with. there were people that, like when I was getting married I worked with, that I invited to my bachelorette that if I wasn’t working with them, I’m like, would I have invited them? I don’t know.
Then I invited them all to my wedding. Now I’m trying to put myself in your shoes and being like, okay, if I stopped working somewhere or if someone had stopped working with me during that, it would really have to depend on my own personal relationship to that person. Now, if it’s a weird situation where maybe you guys ended on bad terms and other coworkers are going to this, and she’s like, I don’t know, it’s like,
Weird situation now. So I think she shouldn’t come to the wedding because it’s gonna be like a coworker table. Sure. But the bride should still be communicating with you. The fact that you paid is the biggest issue I’m seeing. They should be contacting you and being like, Hey, so I know things are kind of weird since we don’t work together anymore.
And I just think it would be better if maybe you just didn’t come to the bachelorette. every relationship is so different and nuanced. It’s hard to know. again, I feel like a lot is missing from this to know what happened no matter what, they should be giving you your money back.
I don’t also know what kind of place you worked at. Is it a place with customers? Is it a place where you’re in an office and secluded from people? Is it a place that allows people to show up? Is it a place with high security like, Let’s see. It says you’re blocked from the group chat. I would try to contact the bride directly if she has not blocked you.
It says the group chat blocked you, which this is so weird. that’s what makes me think like there’s some kind of weird work thing where they’re like, okay, you can’t socialize with people outside of work that don’t work here. believe me guys, I’ve worked for bosses before that. When you.
You leave the company or when someone else gets fired or leaves the company, you have to sign an NDA. It’s crazy. they’re like, you can’t socialize with people outside of work, which is bonkers and so weird. so it makes me wonder if it’s something weird like that.
Either way, at the end of the day, because you paid towards this, they should be communicating with you and paying you back. The whole thing about you being removed from the group chat and blocked with no one communicating to you, any of this is so weird. also, how do you know you were uninvited from the wedding?
Did she communicate this to you? Did she say, Hey, since you’re fired, fired, I’m assuming or since you quit our work? Since I don’t see you anymore, I really don’t think you should come to the wedding or did something else happen that told you you were uninvited from the wedding? So, like I said, I feel like a lot’s missing here.
so based on what I do know, I would say contact the bride if you have no way of contacting anybody. depending on your place of work, I think it would be maybe okay just to, um, call the place of work and say like, Hey, can I get my money back for this? This is so hard because I just don’t get the, whole group chat blocking you.
But also can I add something else to this? Sorry guys. I’m kind of all over with this one ’cause this is just a very odd situation. She said she starts working for this woman. So wait, I’m reading this differently now. The woman is the boss. So she started working for this girl, this woman, when she was planning her wedding.
when you first started, she asked that you wanna go to her he party. I think that’s a little fishy. I’m not inviting someone I just met, let alone someone that works for me to my hen party. Or my bachelorette. So this sounds to me like she didn’t have the funds for something. Ooh, guys, now I’m getting really into like conspiracy about this.
Okay? This woman wanted a really great bachelorette party, right? She was like, I don’t have enough money to pay for the things I want. I’m gonna hire somebody and invite her right away. Tell her the cost of it. Get her in this group chat. Then I’m going to fire her when I decide I don’t want her to come, or when I decide that, we’ve had enough of her, because that’s so odd to me that the first day or one of the first few weeks when she, this person that sent this in, started this job, the boss is like, Hey, do you wanna come to my bachelorette party?
Like what? I would never invite someone I just met to my bachelorette party. So this sounds to me like it was a setup from the beginning and they wanted to get to your money. So going back to your former employer’s place of work, because she was your boss, it was her wedding then. Yeah, I would, I don’t know how much you paid.
But it says you paid towards the accommodation, and other activities. Oh, you were about to pay for the act,other activities. So we don’t know how much you paid, but you paid her. This was your I think I would go back. If they blocked you, I’d be going back. If not, you might have take other legal action again, depending how much it is.
cause chances are someone like this, is not their first rodeo. All right guys. I hope that was great advice. I know I was kind of all over the place, but that’s wild. I reread it and I’m like, wait, this woman is the boss and she invited her employee the first day, that’s her first week or whatever.
That’s very odd to me. So she is like a fake like buddy. Buddy. Like, oh my God, you should come to my party and then talks about you behind your back. We all know people like that. All right. If you guys have a wedding dilemma or any kind of dilemma you wanna send me and get my, UN expertise, please send it my way.
Would You Rather: Wedding Drama Edition
You can DM me on Instagram at Hey Christa Innis, or email me at hello@kristaennis.com. All right, before we get to this week’s story. Let’s do a quick little, would you rather, would you rather your mom hate your partner or your mother-in-law openly criticize you? Oh, I don’t like either of those. I don’t like either.
if I had to pick one,
God, this is hard. usually, I’m like, okay, I know what I’m gonna do, but
why does my mom hate my partner? I think I would say that one. ‘ cause in my mind I’m like, okay, I can either change that, like maybe she has her own judgments and I can change it, or I just have to create a boundary. But for a mother-in-law to openly criticize. I guess it’s like hate from either side, so it’s either like I get hate or my partner gets hate.
I don’t know. I feel like you’d have more control with your own mom maybe. I don’t know. That one’s hard. Would you rather deal with a passive aggressive comment or full blown confrontations?
Full blown confrontation. I’d rather have a confrontation. Me as someone that hates confrontation.
I’m like, sweating. And there’s not even a confrontation happening. I think the older I get, I appreciate when people are forward with how they feel and they’re communicating because passive aggression, it creates more problems I think because as someone like me that always thinks people don’t like them, so we could get along.
Spiel about this, but I will literally hang out with best friends of mine and on my drive home I’m like, oh my gosh, they hate me. They literally hate me. And it could literally be at the dinner or wherever I’m at, at their house. And we’re literally having a one-on-one talk and they’re like, oh, I’m so grateful for you.
You’re my friend. And I’m literally like, oh my gosh. What did I say? Like, they probably hate me. This is the last time we’re hanging out and I don’t know what that is. Someone can tell me. so yeah, let’s do the confrontation. Would you rather your parents overshare your business or your in-laws pry nonstop?
I would say pry. I’d rather have someone pry and I come off as maybe they’re interested in learning more. I don’t know. Would you rather your family guilt trip you or your partner’s family give you the silent treatment? About what? Mm, I think I’m gonna go, gosh, um, silent treatment because that just, I mean, if someone’s giving a silent treatment, I don’t have time to care.
Would you rather have parents who want control or in-laws who disappear unless they need something?
Probably these are really hard this week. Maybe parents who want control, I don’t know. Uh, okay. Would you rather your parents demand guest list control or your in-laws dictate traditions? I’m a bad one to ask these questions to because like my wedding, like. I was very like, this is what I want. And no one really said like, I wa I was like laid back, but also like I knew what things I did and didn’t want.
Um, like when it came to the actual like wedding and ceremony itself, like other things, I was laid back. Like someone could have shown up in the white dress and I probably wouldn’t have cared. Um, I would say more so. Guest control? No, I would say dictate traditions maybe. So like if something was really important to their family, I think I would more so do that than someone demand guest list control, because no one’s gonna invite someone I don’t want in my wedding.
Would you rather have financial help that comes with opinions or zero help and zero support? I would rather have financial help that comes with opinions. Um, because like I’ve said before, if you. Have mutual respect for your parents or your in-laws. That’s mutual respect. There should no be no problem with opinions.
It’s when people hang it over your head and say, I’m gonna control your day now because I gave you money, or I have a right to change things because I gave you money. If they’re gonna give opinions, I think, yeah, it’s everybody’s. It can be everybody’s day. Let’s all celebrate together and enjoy the day for all of us.
Last one. Would you rather be judged for how you spend money or how you don’t? Ooh, I think what would hurt more would be judged for how I spend money. Because it’d be like, well, if it matters to me, why does it matter? So I would rather be judged for how I don’t spend money and be like, okay, well I’m a good saver.
Wedding Submission: Part Two Begins—The Sister’s Lies Come Out
I dunno. Or like, oh, you should spend money on this. Okay, well I don’t want to. Here’s this week’s story submission, and now there’s a little backlog to this. Backlog might be the wrong word, but we’re gonna throw it in there anyway. So two weeks ago I had a Cliff Notes gal on the episode and um, it ended with the person saying, this was just part one.
There’s so much more to come. Let me know when you’re ready for a part two. And we were both like, oh my gosh, we need to get a part two. So right away we emailed the person and said, would you like to send us more to this story for us to read on the podcast? Um. So she sent us, she sent us a lot more, you guys.
So we’re gonna throw in a little clip here from last week, or I’m sorry, from two weeks ago, so you guys can kinda get caught up quickly. If you do not have time, I do. First, I recommend if you do not listen to it yet, go back to Cliffnotes Gal episode from two weeks ago. Listen to this story. But if you do not have time, we’re gonna throw in a quick clip here just to kind of refresh your memory and then we’ll get into this part.
Okay. Hopefully that jogged your guys’ memory a little bit. I know right before I was recording this, I kind of like read through it again. Um, it was a wild one. So let’s get into her update and, uh, what happened since then? It is, it’s long, so. Before we get into it, guys, go grab yourself a drink. Get comfy.
Get your comfy on. Um, like, I don’t even have a bra on right now, so do what you gotta do to get comfy. Um, I got my energy drink.
All right. Here we go. After the phone call from my parents, I felt deflated and unsupported. My mother-in-law was very understanding and said it was okay. We could have a wedding here at home, but I really wanted my granddad, who was almost 90 to be present on my wedding day. We decided to pause the wedding planning for a bit and take a break despite pressure from my mother and sister to provide a date.
We focused on normal life. Communication with my parents became less and less because I didn’t feel like calling them as much or flying out to see them. My mother-in-law started planning my bridal shower and my partner and I decided not to do bachelor and bachelorette parties. Oh, that makes me so sad.
It’s like when someone deflates your balloon, like balloon like that, you just stop going to them for things. And it sounds like all the things that she wanted to do, she’s just like, I just don’t care anymore. Because she was excited and then they were just like, yeah, like every little thing was just a critique and control.
In May, however, my granddad was involved in a car accident. Even though he wasn’t hurt, it made me realize time wasn’t something we had. Thankfully, my partner understood and we decided to get married in my home country so my granddad could be there. We chose a date and started on the invitations. We picked a Saturday so no one could use the excuse of needing time off work or not being able to attend.
I picked up the phone and called my parents. My mom answered, and as soon as I said we were getting married in Belgium, my home, she became excited and started sharing many ideas. So they were like kind of weird, like not really talking, and then she’s like, Hey, we’re getting married again. And the mom’s like, hoo, like, okay.
My dad still said he would not walk me down the aisle, but he would be there on my wedding day. Why that’s so weird. Why would he not walk her down the aisle? I still don’t understand that. We gave them a rough outline of our ideas and what we wanted for the day. My mom seemed okay with our suggestions, but also had a lot of things she wanted.
Time flew by and in August we flew to Belgium to start wedding preparations. The venue we chose didn’t include caterers, decorations, or anything else. Just a building in the middle of the woods, a massive outdoor fire pit and enough sleeping spaces for guests traveling overseas. That sounds like an awesome venue.
I love that. It’s all built into one. I always say like. Having a wedding where like everything is on one site is so nice. Like those are my favorite to attend. I know it’s not always feasible or near you or always works, but when it can work, it’s like it’s bomb. Like, you can walk everywhere, take a bus, you know, whatever.
It’s, it’s, it’s really nice. All right. We stay with my parents and you could feel the tension from everything that had happened. The one strong bond we shared felt fragile. For the first two days, we avoided wedding talk and tried to reconnect. However, I noticed my sister had no sense of boundaries.
Well, yeah, we learned that the last time when she came onto your fiance. I still, if your sister does that, like how do you respond? I don’t think I would want them near my partner. That’s weird. She obviously has no boundaries. She kept coming downstairs late at night wearing nothing but a see-through dressing gown, clearly positioning herself so my partner would see her.
Okay, this, this is where we have to be like I’m distancing myself and I get it. You want to like make things right? Sounds like she really wants everything to be fine and work with them, but. When people show you who they are, believe them. Right? That’s what we’re saying. Um, I wouldn’t be staying with them.
I wouldn’t trust someone like that. Something snapped in me on day three. I raised my voice and told her to back off and show some respect. My partner felt uncomfortable and let me handle it, but when my sister started lashing out at me, he stepped in and told her to stop treating me that way. My dad, who had only caught half the story, came down on both of us, like a wall of bricks.
I told my partner to go upstairs and start packing our bags. I told my family I would never stay with them again, and that they were all uninvited from the wedding and my life. Oh, so this was her thing, like not her thing, but she, this was the moment where she was like, that’s it. I’m not taking any more bullshit from you guys.
We’re done. Upstairs. I could hear my dad shouting at my sister and the door slamming, but I was beyond angry. After about 30 minutes, we came downstairs with our bags packed, ready to leave. My partner had left a few things in the garden, so he kissed me and went to grab them. That’s when my mom pulled, that’s when my mom pulled me aside and my dad followed my partner into the garden.
Family Reconciliation and a Sudden Shift
What. I had a long conversation with my mom and found out that since our visit the year before, my sister had been causing most of the arguments. She’s older than me, has no partner and felt it was unfair that I was getting married. First, she told my parents lies about my partner, claiming he went through their belongings when they weren’t looking, stared at her too much, shouted at her, and was rude.
I showed my mom proof that none of that was true, including countless texts where I asked my sister to be respectful and considerate of my partner’s nocturnal epilepsy. So they’re just believing the sister until this moment. All these negative things, and then they’re finally realizing that the sister’s just starting all this drama.
She had started making extremely loud noises. As soon as she heard him waking up, which can trigger seizures. I had to ask her daily to stop. By the time I finished talking with my mom, I heard my dad and my partner calmly talking in the garden. When my partner saw my face, he motioned for me to come outside.
My dad then admitted all the false accusations my sister had made and apologized for not asking me whether they were true. Wow. My dad has MS. And diabetes and his health has been declining over the past few years. The stress was too much for him, and avoiding conflict felt easier. our presence, increased tension, which my sister had framed as coming from us rather than her.
And that made him push me away. My dad and I have always been very close, something my sister has been deeply jealous of. She bonded more with our mom as she isn’t interested in fast cars or getting her hands dirty like my dad and I are. My dad is also extremely protective of me because I left my home country after an abusive relationship that I barely escaped because of that.
My sister planting seeds. My current partner was aggressive, triggered alarm bells for him. Yes, they saw my partner angry in the mornings after my sister deliberately pushed his EP epilepsy to the limit. No, he cannot control his mood. When his epilepsy is triggered, he becomes a shell of himself until the she, until the seizure actively settles.
We all sat down and finally realized my sister was causing all the issues for no reason. I asked where she was and my dad said that he had sent her out so we could figure out how to fix things. As soon as I said I would never come back, my dad realized he didn’t wanna lose me. We agreed my sister could return to the house, but she had to stop the lies and the drama.
I obviously, I don’t know what’s gonna happen, but. My thought from just this is no matter what, you need to stay somewhere on your own. The sister’s not gonna change with one conversation. And I’m not saying you can’t give her the opportunity, but she has crossed the line so many times that I think space is gonna be the best thing.
Like get your own place. You can see them for breakfast or whatever, see ’em at certain times. But you do not all need to be staying together at this point. When she came back, she acted like nothing had happened. Smiling and saying hello as if we were best friends. My partner ignored her completely. I stood there uncomfortable.
My dad broke the silence by asking her why she lied and why she tried to trigger my partner’s epilepsy. She denied everything until my partner laid out the proof. She began stuttering. She complained it was unfair. She couldn’t do her normal morning routines while we were there. That being quiet for an hour after my partner woke up wasn’t realistic.
My partner explained again that it was only for an hour and that he sat in the garden afterward. She only had to wait about 10 minutes for him to go outside. She claimed we had never explained it clearly many times, or we had many times.
See, I feel like this is all stemming from, I mean, obviously there’s like a lot of. There’s a lot of anger and jealousy it feels like, but I feel like this is now like being even more vibrant because they’re staying together in this house, like all these like morning routines and stuff, just get your own place.
She then shifted blame onto me saying I was dad’s favorite, that I was younger and I shouldn’t be getting married first. That caused all the arguments and that. I caused all the arguments and that I never spent time with her. So jealousy again, I don’t get the age thing. I don’t think it really matters who gets married first.
That all comes from insecurity. If you are feeling bad about yourself, every little thing like that’s gonna bother you.
After about 10 minutes, both my partner and my dad shouted enough. My partner told her not to speak to him until she could show me respect. My dad told her that if she couldn’t behave respectfully, she was the one that needed to leave and stay at her own place. My sister owns her own home, but mostly lives with my parents because it’s cheaper.
Utilities, food, laundry, everything. But if she already owns her own home, like isn’t she paying for that house? So why does it matter if it’s cheaper living with your parents? I dunno. Okay. We agreed to stay out of each other’s way as much as possible. That night, we went out for dinner privately to make amends.
The evening. Turned out surprisingly well, my dad and my partner bonded. My dad agreed to walk me down the aisle and my mom offered to pay for a church wedding where she sang in the choir. This just shows again, passive aggressive comments we’re talking about, like this just shows when one little thing just boils and boils and boils and people don’t communicate and they just take like what one person said instead of actually like confronting the situation.
It could have all been avoided. Now they’re all like, Woohoo, we’re so excited. You’re getting married. Let’s do this. Oh, walk you down the aisle. Like what? Let’s just talk people. Holy cow. With the venue and church sorted out, and my parents on board, we avoided discussing the dress. Over the next few days, we planned decorations and flowers.
Mother-in-Law Pullback, Money Stress, and Travel Drama
My mom’s friend, a professional photographer, gifted us our wedding photos. Other family friends volunteered to help decorate the venue. Things finally felt calmer. However, my mother-in-law grew quiet and distant. Oh, okay. So now she’s not happy. Maybe because they’re involved again. When we told her we made amends and that my sister caused the issues, she simply said, Hmm.
Weeks passed quickly with calls from my parents as we finalized details for our December 20th wedding In early October, I asked my mother-in-law about my bridal shower. She told me there wouldn’t be one. What is going on with all these people? Does no one wanna see this poor bride happy? I feel like now the mother-in-law is mad that the family is back and involved because maybe she’s not needed as much.
But then I would be like, all right, I’m gonna make this the best bridal shower ever because she deserves it. What she said once we chose, we once, she said once we chose Belgium for the wedding, she couldn’t afford both and canceled the plans, but offered leftover wine and sparkling wine for my partner’s sister, sister’s shower.
Okay. So again, I understand if, if someone’s moving their wedding to Belgium, that is gonna be very expensive, especially if you’re staying there, you have to do flight accommodations. That can definitely get expensive. However, if the mother-in-law said, I’m hosting your bridal shower, don’t worry about it.
I’m gonna do everything for it. If all of a sudden she can’t afford it anymore, she needs to again communicate and talk to the bride and say like, Hey, well now that you moved it to Belgium, I don’t have the budget for it. I can’t afford it. Because then at that point the bride could be like, you know what, let me um, ask my parents, or maybe some friends can chip in or maybe I can chip in, or maybe we don’t need a shower.
Maybe let’s just do like a luncheon. Let’s just, you know, whatever they can communicate, like what is going on with people. Gosh, okay. I was disappointed, but understood. She said she couldn’t afford flights or food and felt excluded because some conversations in the group chat were in Dutch. I explained, I translated everything.
She dismissed it saying she felt like an ornament. So she’s saying she can’t afford the shower. Well, she’s saying she couldn’t afford both, but now she’s saying she can’t even afford the flights to Belgium. So she might not be able to afford either to involve her more. I suggested she decorate the Christmas tree and help hang lights at the venue.
She seemed happier. So can she. Can she go to Belgium? I’m so confused. Two days later, she invited me for tea alone. She asked if I could help pay for her flights. I loaned her 300 euro, clearly stating I needed it back by December.
Uh, okay. I mean, there’s a famous, there’s like a not famous quote. There’s a quote about like, lending money, and it’s basically like, don’t expect it back. I’m gonna, I have to find it. Like, it’s basically like, okay, hold on.
Here it is. Never loan money you aren’t prepared to give away. So basically like don’t expect it back. It’s saying like it’s. Common wisdom because like if you desperately need the money, you shouldn’t be giving it to somebody. So if you’re like, okay, I can loan them $50 because if I don’t get it back, it’s not the end of the world.
It’s not the end of the world. I always said that twice. Um, like, yes, we should have all intentions that someone’s gonna pay us back and we should hope that, but don’t lend money that you can’t afford to not have. Right. Um. You aren’t prepared to give away, right? So I feel like this is coming a bad way. Um, okay.
I booked flights that day and didn’t tell my partner right away. He wasn’t thrilled about it, but accepted it. So I’m guessing she booked her flight later that day, later during my partner’s birthday, his family revealed they hadn’t booked flights and shortened their stay. Despite us already booking accommodations, paying for food, and hosting everyone, they complained about hair and makeup.
I explained we were over budget and couldn’t afford more. My partner supported me. I’m living the partner’s support in this. It sounds like he’s very involved and is like behind her. He’s honored by her side, making sure they’re on the same page, which I feel like is. It’s a problem when they’re not right and, and they’re catering to everybody else.
Ex-Wife’s Eight Demands
So it’s good that they’re on the same page. Um, but I feel like things are gonna get worse then things got worse. His ex-wife, whoa, we’re getting more details here. Refused to sign, I’m sorry. Refused to release his son’s passport unless we met a list of eight demands. So he has a son and an ex-wife. I, I don’t think that was said before, unless I’m forgetting.
Wow. Okay. Eight demands. We compromised where we could, but she refused. We had to seek emergency legal action with a court date set for December 16th, the day before our flight. Oh my gosh. I mean. Sharing a child with someone has like that you’re no longer with co-parenting has gotta be super hard. I’ve seen things, I’ve heard stories like, so we don’t know their situation.
We don’t know why they got a divorce, why, you know, she doesn’t want the son to go. Maybe there’s other issues, but also like as a, as a mother, I’m like. Letting your child go overseas with another family, that’s gotta be a little scary too. So, trying to listen from all points of views here, um, that’s gotta be a lot.
It says, amid court prep decorations arrived, alterations were happening, and my partner’s custom suit arrived wrong. Thankfully, it was fixed in time, 20 days before the wedding. My mother-in-law called to say she wouldn’t repay the loan until January. I needed that money for nails and hair. Told you, I told you.
Especially before your wedding, if you need the money for it, you can’t be lending people money. And again, obviously everything’s hindsight’s 2020. Um, but yeah, oh my gosh, with no extra funds. I used Box D and Stick on Nails. My partner made the best of it as he always does, guys. And that’s where it ends.
That was like a novel in itself. Um, maybe there’s more because we need to know about the wedding and what happened with that, but I just feel like there’s a lot of like immature people in this story. So we went from like her family to being like terrible to the mother-in-law, being awesome, to now the family’s involved and the mother-in-law doesn’t want anything to do with her.
People need to set their egos aside and work together to make the bride and groom’s day like. Right. Um, obviously there’s a lot to this story that we don’t know. We got a lot of information, but there’s still a lot missing. Like, I don’t know anything about this ex-wife and the son, um, or the, her relationship with the mother-in-law with the ex-wife.
Gosh, this is, this is a lot to, to figure out. I’m glad, like I said, I’m glad that the partner has been on your, like, on your side and he’s supporting you. Um, but man, this is, um, so, so it sounds like his family did come. What’s the sister’s situation? How do we feel about that? Because the, to me, the sister crossed the line so many times, I don’t, I don’t think a conversation is gonna make that better.
The fact that she tried hitting on your fiance is just super weird to me, and I don’t think I could let that go. Um. So, yeah, I don’t know. Tell me what you guys think about this. Like I said, we got a lot, but we also are missing a lot. I’m glad we got the continuation. But how did the wedding go? I mean, it must have happened this last December.
Did the son get to come? Is there gonna be more? I don’t know. All right. Maybe we should reach out to her for part three. I’m telling you, you know, it’s funny, like. When I started doing the podcast, it was because I was getting so many of your guys’ stories and I had like, at that time I think I had like 300 or something stories and I was like, I gotta put these on the podcast because the skits start becoming like more of like, what’s up here?
I just kinda like create them. Um, and so I was like, I need to a podcast where I can just read them, where I can read these real stories. I was looking recently, I’ve got like, I think it said like 700. Unused ones in the document, maybe even more. I’ve not had the time to like scroll through all of them. So you guys never disappoint.
You’ve got some wild stories. If you are listening and you have a wild story to share, please submit it. There’s a link below. You can submit your stories. Um, we’re always looking for new stories. We use them for our YouTube channel podcast, live reactions. Um. And then I also started a new thing on social media called comment section confessions.
So when you guys reply in the comments on things, sometimes we’ll reshare those as well because it’s wild. It’s a wild world out there guys. And um, all we can do is laugh sometimes because it’s, it’s crazy to think that these things are actually happening. Um, and. I feel like a lot of times when people write in these stories, they, it helps them kind of release something and it’s almost like therapeutic to be able to share that.
Alright, well that was, that was a long one. All right. As always, like to end these with some confessions, so here we go. This question we asked you guys was, what wedding cost do you regret the most? I have to think about if I have one that I regret the most. Honestly, like we were pretty, frugal is the wrong word, but I was pretty clean, clear about how I wanted to spend money for the wedding and stuff.
Um, maybe favors, ’cause everyone’s, everyone always says like, you don’t really need favors. Um, but like, we didn’t do like an expensive plated dinner. We did a taco bar, we did pizza for after. We did pizza for our rehearsal dinner. Um, we got married in off season on a Friday, so we saved money on the venue that way.
We did open bar, but we didn’t do like the top package. So, um, that was probably the most expensive, but to me that was worth it. I think that was probably the most expensive. Um, but yeah, let’s see what people say. Okay. This person says a live band. Ooh. I’m curious why I, I’ve been to some weddings with live bands and they were, they were amazing.
I didn’t know live bands could perform like that. ’cause I had always thought like, oh, DJ over live band. But I’ve been to like two or three weddings where there was a live band and they could sing any song. It was so good. Actually it was at like a women’s camp last summer. I can’t think of the name of the band.
I can’t remember it, but I think, I know they were from Pittsburgh. Um, because they played the office theme song, but they could play like any song. I felt like it was a live, like, like there was a live dj. Like they were so good. Um, okay, this person said custom napkins. Yeah, that seems like ACOs we don’t need, um, this person says.
Letting my husband get talked into purchasing a second suit seven years, and the second suit hasn’t been used. I’m wondering if that was like at your suit, like try-on or whatever, and they’re like, here, get a second one for half off, or whatever that happens. That happens. I’ve heard of a lot of people doing like a lot more, so brides doing like multiple outfits now.
For me, I was like, I got this beautiful dress. It’s comfortable. I’m wearing it the whole time. Um, I’ve seen now like some women have up to three outfits and this is no shame if that’s your thing, if you’re like a fashion girl and you saw multiple things and that’s in your budget, you go like, go on with yourself.
Like, I think that’s great. For me that would be like a waste. ’cause I’m like, I’m spending money on this dress, I wanna wear it. Um, this person says alcohol. Um, this person says photo booth that were only used by less than 10 guests. I’ve noticed that with photo booths, like they’re fun, but I feel like they’ve kind of gone down since like.
I feel like weddings that I went to in like the early, like 2010s that I had, photo booth, those were like amazing. Those were so fun. And every once in a while it’s like fun to come home with like the photo thing, but they’re, they’re expensive. I, I don’t, I never looked at pricing for them, but I know there’re a few thousand dollars and people still get photographers on top of that.
So that’s, that can be a lot. All right guys. That’s all I have for this week. Thanks for hanging out with me. Um, again, if you guys love this episode, please do me a favor and share it with a friend. Leave me a review, tag me on your socials. Um, I would love to hear what you guys are thinking about the podcast.
And then of course, tag me if you read my book. Here comes The Drama of Ferris and Slim Story, and that’s all I got this week. All right guys. I’ll see you soon. Bye.
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In this week’s episode, Brianna joins Christa to talk about emotional repair, communication, and the realities of modern parenting. As a therapist and mom of five, she shares why helping kids name their emotions matters, and why repairing conflict can be more important than avoiding it altogether.
Listen in as they unpack the complicated line between feeling excluded and pulling away, and how weddings have a funny way of revealing family dynamics that were already there.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- The Drink That Sparked It All – A simple pre-wedding drink invitation gets declined due to wedding prep, becomes the wedding tension.
- Rupture and Repair Parenting – Brianna explains why today’s parenting focuses on helping kids communicate their feelings and work through conflict.
- Reception Buzzkill – While everyone else celebrates, the sister-in-law spends most of the reception sulking in the corner, refusing to join the party.
- The Designated Driver Excuse – Weeks later, the real explanation finally surfaces: she’d been asked to be the designated driver and let it ruin the entire weekend.
- Adult Tantrums Explained – Brianna breaks down how insecurity and poor communication can turn into attention-seeking behavior in adulthood.
- Family Roles Disrupted – Christa and Brianna discuss how weddings can trigger tension when siblings struggle with changing family dynamics.
- Choosing Peace Over Drama – After repeated conflict, the couple ultimately steps back from the relationship rather than continue accommodating the behavior.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “I think consistency to me is more important than finding a niche.” – Brianna
- “Everything’s political, sorry.” – Brianna
- “You don’t have to have something major going on in your life to go to therapy.” – Brianna
- “It’s so important to teach your children how to say how they feel.” – Brianna
- “Some conditions are better left in the past” – Brianna
- “If you’re not enjoying what you’re doing or what you’re creating, it’s gonna seem so much more of a hassle.” – Christa Innis
- “Newsflash, everything is political.” – Christa Innis
- “You don’t want people at your wedding that you don’t want.” –Christa Innis
- “The beauty of social media is like the connection.” – Christa Innis
- “I always think like with these mother-in-law stories or the sister stories, you are just creating more of a barrier.” – Christa Innis
*This conversation is for entertainment and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Please seek a licensed professional for your specific situation.
About Brianna
Brianna is a therapist, and mom of five boys—and in between all that, she’s also a content creator.
Her content spans mental health insights, thrifting finds, political commentary, parenting moments, and the realities. Blending millennial humor and professional perspective, she approaches a wide range of topics with honesty. Whether she’s talking about parenting, politics, or everyday challenges, her perspective stays grounded.
Somewhere between content creator and mom-of-five life experience, Brianna offers the kind of perspective that helps make sense of life’s more complicated moments.
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Christa Innis: Hi Brianna. Thank you for coming on.
Brianna: Yes, thank you. This is my first podcast I’ve ever done, so it’s an honor.
Christa Innis: Oh, I’m so excited. I love when people tell me that. ’cause like I feel like it’s this like big scary thing, but then like once you do it you’re just like, oh, we’re just hanging out. Like it’s just like a Yeah, totally.
Brianna: I know. Well, and I was like, okay. She seems like cool, personable, like I felt more relaxed. So this is a good intro for me.
Christa Innis: Good, good. Yeah, I know. I’m like, I feel like it takes a lot of people back to like 2020 when we all were like on Zoom calls, even like for family and stuff. I remember like doing Christmas one year, my dad had COVID, so we just all were like on Zoom for Christmas and just like hanging out that way.
Yeah, because that was the time.
Brianna: Yes. So true.
Therapist, Creator, Mom of Five Boys
Christa Innis: So for anyone that is not familiar with you or hasn’t seen your content, can you just tell us a little bit about you and what you do?
Brianna: Sure. So, I originally started like making content over on TikTok, and kind of like found my people over there. I do it a lot of, motherhood, millennial related type content, comedy stuff.
I also do, like more political content, especially in regards to like being a mom. so I made my way over to Instagram eventually and I found like some great people over here too. So it’s been really fun. I have five kids, all boys, so it’s like chaotic household, but really fun.
they’re all under, let’s see, my oldest is 10, so they’re all pretty close together, but Crazy house. And then I’m also a therapist, so I have a private practice that I do part-time and. Yeah, I have a very busy full life.
Christa Innis: Wow. When they say like, moms, you can like do it all. You are literally doing it.
All that. It’s amazing.
Brianna: I’m trying, I’m trying.
Christa Innis: Did I hear correctly that you’re a perinatal therapist, was that
Brianna: Yeah. It’s
Christa Innis: perinatal.
Brianna: Okay. Basically like perinatal mental health, so all postpartum, but also like before having kids, so any, Person who, is trying to conceive, is postpartum, is pregnant.
but also like if people have gone through like losses, like I’ll see them as clients as well. So that’s like my specialization, I would say. I basically say I see teen girls and moms and everything in between. So women in general is kind of, my thing and, who I love seeing. And well, I had a really great experience and a really not great experience as a teenager seeing a counselor.
And the good one made me want to be a therapist. ’cause I was like, oh, this could actually be really helpful. So I really love seeing teen girls now ’cause I know it’s, it’s a rough time, especially now to be a teen girl. So it’s nice to, yeah. No. Be a safe place for them.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I feel like that’s so powerful.
I was just talking to someone about how I feel like the stigma with therapy has changed so much. also that’s with like millennials, like growing up and being like, no, this is good. We need to talk about our feelings. cause I feel like when we were kids it was like, oh, therapy. Like that’s scary. But now I feel like we’re all like,
Brianna: yeah,
Christa Innis: I remember in college setting up for therapy ’cause I was like, ah.
I need to talk to somebody.
Brianna: We need this.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Brianna: Yes, yes. It’s so different than it used to be. And even like the town I live in is, it’s not that small, but it’s like small town vibes. Like if you go to the grocery store, you’re probably gonna see someone, you know? That’s just kind of how it goes. so I always tell my clients like, Hey, you know, if I see you, then you’re welcome to say hi to me.
But I can’t say hi to you first because of confidentiality. And I remember when I first started out, I saw, and this still happens, if I see a teen girl, I would’ve never done this as a teen girl. They will see me in public and they’ll be like, that’s my therapist guys. That’s my therapist. Like, no shame.
Amazingly, like I love it so much. And I’m like, wow, that’s so different. Like I think even growing up when I had a therapist, I wasn’t embarrassed necessarily, but I was like, oh, I don’t want someone to think like something is wrong with me. Like, you know, something is wrong with all of us, but it’s so different now in a really cool way.
So I’m hoping as that generation goes into adulthood, we’ll see it even change even more.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I think it’s good with like helping to like process your emotions, help to process like what’s going on in the world, whether it’s like big scale or small scale. and I just love like the conversation around therapy and how like beneficial and helpful it can be.
Brianna: Yes, totally. the tides are changing for sure there, which is really nice and I think it’s good for everybody. You don’t need to have necessarily, like, I mean you can obviously go to therapy for anything, but it can just be daily life that you just want someone to chat with and I think that’s changing, which is really awesome.
Christa Innis: Yeah, that’s really great. So your content, like I feel like you have such a wide range that you talk about in your content. Like you said you talk about like motherhood, politics, therapy, comedy. And so how do you kind of decide, like do you plan out your content? Do you just decide like what’s like heavy on your heart that day?
you kind of like lean into what makes sense for you, I guess?
Brianna: Sure. So I think consistency to me is more important than like finding a niche necessarily. Like I know some people, they make content only about one thing and their audience comes to them for that.
but I think I realized that I was posting different types of content and people liked what I was offering, so I was like, okay, if I’m there, they like it. that’s good. Right. Which helps me a lot because I have a lot of different, like hats I wear, I guess. So it, feels less limiting to me that I can be like, okay, and talk about being a mom.
I can talk about, you know, whatever my thrifting finds. I can talk about politics. I do have some planning, like I did a little series like a podcast if like women podcasted, like men. So that was a little bit more intentional that I was like, okay, let me kinda like write this.
Out. But I feel like the videos that have gotten the most traction or like that people really like are the ones that I just have an idea and I’m like, I’m just gonna record this real quick and see what people think. so that’s worked for me. Obviously there has to be some intentionality there, but I kind of just share whatever pops into my head.
And personally I know it’s like you want your content to be shared to people. Like you want people to see it, you want people to appreciate it. And like that translates to likes and shares and all that. And that’s important, but I don’t really care that much about that. Like, I’m like, I just wanna put what I like out there and if someone else likes it, that’s awesome.
I’m not really like offended if it’s like a video doesn’t go well. I’m like, well I thought it was funny, so that’s fine.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And I think, honestly, I feel like that’s like the secret to it because if you’re not enjoying what you’re doing or what you’re creating, it’s gonna seem so much more of a hassle or like work than totally putting out joy or putting out important information to people.
Brianna: yeah.
Christa Innis: Because you know, you see that where people like really struggle with like what they’re putting out there because it’s like they have to put on this like show for everybody. And it’s like, that can be a lot for sure.
Brianna: I mean obviously there are times, if it is your job or you’re treating it like a job, any job can get monotonous, right?
Or like. Tiring or whatever. And that, I think that’s really normal. But I think I’ve had some people, and I feel like I’m still a pretty small creator in general, but I’ve had people be like, oh, I like wanna grow my page. Like, what should I do? What should I make? And I’m like, I think genuinely people can tell if you’re being authentic.
And that doesn’t mean you have to like share your deepest, darkest secrets all the time. But it means like, I think people can tell when you’re putting on a show and when your heart’s not in it, even if it’s just a silly video, like I think it does come across. So I’m like, if you just, honestly, the cheesiest, right?
You just like be yourself and act like who you truly are. I think eventually the people who will love your content will find you. And sometimes it takes a while, but they’ll find you, I think.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I do some like social media, like, consulting on the side. I’ve worked in social media and marketing for years now, and I always feel like people get very caught up in like, they’re like, oh, well it’s doing well, but how do I go viral?
How do I go viral? Yeah. How do I boom? And I’m like. Just be consistent and the right people will find you. Because if right now you, have a hundred followers, just picture a hundred people in a room. That’s amazing. They’re excited about it.
Brianna: Yes.
Content, Politics, and the Internet
Christa Innis: So you’re always like, wait, I wanna look out there. Then the people in front of you and be like, well, they don’t care about me.
So it’s very easy to be like, how do I go viral?
Brianna: Mm-hmm. And that’s funny. I mean, in my experience, I don’t know about you, but I feel like there’s this difference, right between like, okay, Yahoo, A video is doing so well and that’s awesome, obviously, and you’re like, oh, I’m getting, people really care about this.
They like what I’m putting out, going viral can be very stressful and overwhelming in my experience. you wanna get, you know, people attention to what you’re making. But I think when things really pop off, it’s like you actually are getting people normally to your page that probably aren’t.
Normally there. And so that doesn’t always translate to like, actually that feels nice. ’cause it’s like, oh, you get everybody on the internet looking at your stuff. so I feel like slow and steady, even though it can be really difficult, to be like, oh, some people are just like, their follower account is exploding, or they’re getting all these deals or whatever, you know, whatever you’re trying to get.
I think the slow and steady thing is that’s how you get people who really care about what you’re posting and it feels more like a community and I think that’s what most people trying to build their pages are looking for. But I get that we’re such a immediate gratification society. It’s hard to hold onto that sometimes.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I’m sure too with like posting more political stuff too, like people are very like I’m sure you get trolls and like anytime I post something political, I get people messaging me or I get people commenting like, don’t go political, don’t do this. And I’m like. Newsflash, everything is political.
Brianna: Everything’s political, sorry.
Christa Innis: Yeah. were you always posting political or were you kind of like adding it in more and more, and then how was the response from your audience initially?
Brianna: so I would say I posted political related content early enough. I guess you would say that it wasn’t like a surprise.
Like I think that’s what’s hard for some people is that it’s not maybe that they didn’t care about politics, but they never really posted about it before. And then when they started doing that, they have people who didn’t align with them. And so then those people give them pushback. I mean, I’m trying to think like all through like the presidential election and all that stuff, like I was posting.
So that’s been a while since then. and I think when, a lot of people started being more vocal, because that was a really obviously a big turning point on who was gonna be our president and everything. And, I feel like I’ve definitely gotten more vocal, but it was scary at first. Like people are brutal online.
I think it’s one thing like for someone to not like your content, but listen, how do I say this? Trolls are equal opportunity. Like they can come in all shapes and sizes. Yeah. But I would say it tends to be the men that come from my content and it can be kind of like scary sometimes because they can be like threatening or like just say like really horrible things.
So I feel like this has been the hard part for me, is that when my pages were smaller on like Instagram and TikTok, I would actually get more trolls then I think, because like the algorithm was like figuring out like, where do I send this, person, like, this is mom content, but like, what type of mom am I sending this to?
Or like, this is comedy, but like what type of person is gonna appreciate this? So at the beginning it was actually, I think, harder and there was a time like early last year or like maybe a little over a year ago that I can’t even remember what it was, but like. All of a sudden I got this influx of people being horrible, like horrible.
And was having like a panic attack. I was like, I think I need to quit. I don’t wanna do this anymore. And my husband is like the most chill person on the planet. And so he was like, if you don’t wanna do it, just quit. you can know, you can just block them and move on.
And I was like, oh yeah, I guess I could do that. Right? Like, I guess that’s an option. So I honestly, husband and I are very different, but in that aspect I was like, I’m gonna do whatever my husband would do. And so I just like block people. I try and, you know, I don’t do a ton of like strategy, like social media strategy, but I’m like, I use hashtags that maybe will get people to my page and I just try my best to like ignore the negative stuff.
But I would say it feels like about 90% of what I get feedback wise is positive. So that really does. Help. but I think, you know, people are really brave on the internet to say really hateful things. especially it’s like the faceless profiles, whatever. and I think if it’s like, you know, if someone’s gonna call me a name, just block and move on.
And I think I’ve gotten better at that as time’s gone on, but at first it would kind of take me out. I was like, why are they being so mean? Why are they calling me this? But I’m like, whatever. Thanks for the engagement, I guess.
Christa Innis: I know you have to let it roll. I know. I start kind of telling myself, I’m like, they are a lonely and insecure person or something.
If someone’s gonna come after you online, be a keyboard warrior. Like they’ve got their own issues and I’m just gonna be like, okay. Because yeah, I’d be the same thing. Like, in the beginning it, something would like really affect me and my husband would see it instantly. And while in person, he’s a very chill person.
He’s like, give me their name, let me message them. I’m like, no, it’s why you can’t.
Brianna: Oh yeah. Totally, totally.
Christa Innis: like someone would say something and just like. Pick on me or like if I like replied to something in the way, they didn’t want me to reply, they’d be like, oh wow. Like blah, blah, blah. And they’d come after me for like standing up for myself and yeah.
Yeah. I think that’s the hard thing too about like then I would just start to like bite my tongue and be like, you know what? I’m not gonna even waste my time replying to you.
Brianna: right.
Christa Innis: One time someone, exactly. Someone like said something about a typo on my website and I was like, oh, let me talk to my website designer.
He goes, that’s not a typo. They spelled this wrong. And And I’m like, I’m not gonna even waste my time. But it’s the same guy that will message me anytime I post something political. And he goes, don’t post this. Don’t post this. And I’m. Okay, bye. I don’t care. Jim, from California, wherever from,
Brianna: are you?
Yes. It’s crazy. It’s true. I think the other thing, oh, the thing I was gonna mention, always forget about this is that so when I really started being consistent with making content, my husband and I were both going through like some like deconstruction of religion stuff. So that’s actually when I started being maybe more like vulnerable with my content.
Like, this is what I’m going through personally, or like making videos. And it kind of, the hard part was like deconstruction and the rise of Christian nationalism happened at the same time, very obviously. in some ways that was really difficult because I was like, okay, I’m trying to like sort through these feelings and then it’s showing up in like the real world, not just in my little bubble.
but that’s more what I started posting first. And I feel like it actually, came at a time where I didn’t feel like I had anyone in my, real life besides my husband, but he was, you know, dealing with his own stuff around it that understood. Like what I was going through. Like I was like, I don’t have people around me that know what it is to like leave this community that I’ve had.
And I found ’em online and I was like, oh my gosh. Like it was one of the first times I saw what community I think on social media could be, and it made me feel less alone in that time. And now I feel like sometimes I’m able to offer that with my content to people and I’m like, I know how that feels.
I know you’re like, a lot of people will be like, how do I find like more progressive mom friends? Like, do I know how to tell you that? Not exactly, but I can tell you, even if it’s just online, it will make you feel like not so by yourself out there. So yes, it’s nice.
Christa Innis: That truly is like the beauty of social media is like the connection.
Yeah. with doing this podcast and with just making content, like you meet so many people that you wouldn’t normally meet in real life and that’s what’s so awesome. Like, so just leaning into those positive connections and like having these conversations I think is really, helpful.
Brianna: Yeah, for sure.
Christa Innis: So do you feel like some of the backlash that you have gotten on the messages, do you think it has to do with you being more vocal and opinionated, like as a woman? Or do you feel like, it’s just kinda going back to it’s just trolls being trolls?
Brianna: I think it’s both. it’s hard.
Obviously there’s overlap there, I would say, like I said, a majority of the negative comments I get are from what appears to be conservative men. And I think they don’t agree with my beliefs. And then on top of that, they don’t like that I’m speaking up as a woman. A lot of them will say like, things that come from like a very like traditional, patriarchy filled viewpoint.
Like basically, you’re a woman, you need to shut up type of thing. And I’m like, okay. Like your opinion literally means nothing to me if that’s how you view
Half of the world women. but you know, I have occasionally had pushback from like women or moms. like I said, it’s like few and far between now because I think the people that choose to follow me, they’re like, this is why I’m following you is because we align.
I think it’s, people who are coming from very conservative or I mean, like, living in Washington is different than people. Like this is so bad. This guy really attacked me on the internet and all of his stuff was out there and I was like, where, what is this guy doing? And he like lived in a southern state and his page, I was like, oh, this guy is everything the opposite.
and he’s in a community that it seemed like that was very different from me. And I’m like, we’re not going to align here. And I’m also not gonna argue with a, a stranger on the internet. But that’s why I think it’s been easier to kind of brush that stuff off is because it’s not a person that. Like in real life I would ever associate with, and they don’t have the same values as me.
So it’s, I am like, okay, if you’re a person who calls me out and it’s like, normally we align and you’re like, what’s this about? Then a hundred percent let’s have a dialogue about it. But I would say that rarely happens. It’s usually, and it’s always on Facebook. Always on Facebook. The meanest old, grumpy men are on Facebook and they really hate me over there.
But that’s okay.
Christa Innis: I agree with that. I always say there’s a different, completely different audience on Facebook and it’s, it’s scary sometimes ’cause they can be really supportive and then all of sudden it’s like, bam. And they’re gonna get you.
Brianna: Yes. And there’s some really great people, like there are, there are great people, but I, I have a friend who she said over on Facebook, just post and ghost.
And now that’s what I do now. Like I rarely check comments over there, which I feel bad because there are some really kind supportive people. But I’m like, okay, follow me on Instagram or TikTok or something because Facebook, that one, it’s. It is dark, it’s a dark timeline over there. So sometimes I just have to go post it and walk away and, and kind of get the community aspect on other platforms.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And especially as a therapist, I feel like mental health is like so important and so like, so that’s like boundaries of like, I’m protecting myself, protecting my boundaries.
Brianna: Yes, exactly.
Mom Life and Mental Health
Christa Innis: So how do you think, like becoming a mom, like you said your oldest is 10, how do you think becoming a mom or how has that changed with like, your viewpoints on mental health, um, community?
Um, like I feel like it kind of shifts as you probably, probably with each kid, but like as you get older too. But how do you instill mental health in them and how’s your viewpoints changed on it over the years?
Brianna: Sure. Um, well what’s really, so what’s interesting is I, when I was in, my husband and I were both in grad school at the same time and I got pregnant like.
Not on purpose. I mean, we’re married, but not that it matters. But we were married, we were like newly married and we were in grad school. We were living, um, like on his parents’ property. They had like this little loft thing that we were living in. And so it was like this temporary thing. We were like, we just gotta get through grad school and then we’ll figure out what we’re gonna do.
Um, we really, I was like, I wanted a baby eventually, but I was like, okay, we gotta wait. So we got a dog, we got a puppy, and I was like, perfect. This’ll like satiate my, my baby need. And then lo and behold, the same month we got the puppy, I accidentally got pregnant. I was like, so I was pregnant in grad school.
I had to do like my internship as a therapist, like while I was pregnant. I also like, looked very, very young at that point because I was like 23. Like I was a baby and I looked like a baby. So that threw another thing that I was like, I already feel young seeing these clients. I dunno what the heck I’m doing.
I’m pregnant. What is happening? So it was like kind of a crazy time, but it, you know, it all worked out. I had, um, our first. Son and then graduated like three days after that in grad school.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh.
Brianna: It was crazy. And then like a month before he was born, we like moved into our house. So it all, it all worked out.
But all that to say I was at, we were at very different points at, in our life when we had our first baby. Um, and while I think like in comparison to a lot of like maybe evangelical people, we were a little bit more progressive. We still were on the conservative side. Um, and so I would say that’s been one of the biggest changes is, is my viewpoints from when I was a new mom till now, like just have changed a lot.
Um, and even just like becoming a mom, knowing how hard it is. Um, and like, wonderful of course. But I’m like, I really think you gotta, you wanna be able to choose this, you know? Um, because there are hard days where even if you wanted it, you’re like. I wanna run away for a day, right? So I think everyone should have that choice.
So I think that’s been super, super impactful on me, is just seeing like how hard it is even with all of like the resources and support I have and not everyone has that. Um, and um, so I started, you know, off as a therapist and I’ve, I’ve always worked part-time ’cause we’ve always had like a baby or toddler or both at home and childcare is so expensive.
So I opened my private practice, did all of that. Um, but I think as my political leanings became more progressive, that really helped me as a therapist. Um, there was never anyone I would’ve like turned away as a, as a client or anything. But I think at the beginning there were times where I felt kind of like, oh, I’m really, I really don’t know how to, how to approach this person because I haven’t maybe interacted with a person from this like, walk of life or this anything just different than what I had experienced.
So I think it’s helped me a lot as a therapist to, um. It feels like now everything aligns really well, which is, which is nice. Like I feel confident in who I am as therapist and a mom. And it’s just like, as a person, it feels like it’s all in alignment. Um, but raising all boys is, uh, it’s really fun. And my boys are like very good.
They’re very good kids. Like my mom loves to remind me. She’s like, you know, your kids are like so good and easy. And I’m like, well, they’re good, but you know what kid? What kid is easy mom? Um, but they are, they’re very sweet kids. Um, and you know, normal sibling stuff, but they’re very sweet. But I think one of the biggest things is realizing that looking around the world, like a lot of the things that have happened in our world and our country are because of powerful men usually that are not using that power for good.
And so I tell my boys a lot, like, I’m like. Listen, it’s not, it’s not fair and it’s not right, but you are going to be afforded privileges that other people aren’t your boys and you’re white. And that unfortunately is gonna put you in a position even if you didn’t earn it. So you have to do something good with that.
Um, and I’m thankful, like I went to a very, um, so we like lived next to the town that I grew up in and I, I love it. But the, like, the schools that I went to in the high school I went to was like, no diversity ever. Like, it was very just like homogenous. So now I’m very thankful they go to a different district.
They are exposed to all different types of people, different languages, different cultures. Like to them it’s very much more normal than it was for me at that age. And I think that helps a ton. Mm-hmm. Um, but we really try to like just be open with emotions and like, it’s okay to be sad. Like being a boy doesn’t mean you can’t cry or.
Like one of my kids, I won’t say which one, but he gets made fun of because he really likes pink. So silly. But still, still, which I was like very shocked by that. But like, people are mean to him at school sometimes, and I am thankful that like we’ve had conversations where he most of the time feels confident that he’s like, who cares?
Like, I like what I like, like mm-hmm. You know, girls can like blue, I can like pink. But I think sometimes we forget as much, uh, progress as we’ve made as a society is that there are still a lot of like stereotypes and, and pushback. Um, and obviously girls deal with, with so much, but I’m on the boy end of the spectrum, so I’m like, okay, I wanna just make sure that we all the masculinity that we’re modeling to you is not the toxic kind.
Yeah. So we’re trying our best. Yeah.
Christa Innis: No, I love that. I feel like millennial parents, and again, every time I say this, like make sure I’m saying, I’m like, I don’t think other generations are bad parents. Like everyone has their, no, we’re, our generation
Brianna: is a little different. Yeah.
Christa Innis: But we, I feel like millennials are really good about.
Emotions and empowering emotions.
Brianna: Yes.
Christa Innis: Because I feel like we heard a lot of times growing up like, don’t cry or like, you know, tough up whether boy or girl, you know, whatever. But um, like even like seeing my husband with my daughter and being like, it’s okay. Why are you sad? You don’t, it’s okay to be sad or like you, like name your, your emotions.
And I feel like that’s something like, I would say I have a, I have a girl so I can’t relate to the boy aspect, but I feel like too, it’s like important when you talk about, um, embracing other cultures and languages. Yeah, like I was talking about this recently in a post where people said I got too political.
Um, where when we go to the library every week, I make sure we get books with kids that look different than that are characters that look different than her. Um, or we just got bilingual books the other this week and last week we’re starting to do more of that so she can pick up on words and, and it’s just, it’s little things like that.
It’s so easy to do, but I’m like just making that effort to show like, hey, let’s like embrace other cultures and other backgrounds so you don’t. Turned 25 years old and you’ve never met anybody that looks different than you or had a friend that looks different than you. Mm-hmm.
Brianna: Exactly.
Christa Innis: It’s so important with this next generation, and I feel like that is something that I am noticing with millennial parents that we are, it’s very general.
It’s a very general thing,
Brianna: but we’re trying to be more intentional, I think. And you know, and this is not what you’re saying, just to, just to be clear, what I’m about to say is I think that sometimes people feel judged by like. Millennial parents that were like, oh, we’re trying to do these things. And they’re like, well, we tried our best.
And I, I agree. But I think if you just trace, and this is obviously painting with a really big paintbrush here, but if you just trace back the generations of parents, I think most parents did the best they could, but they were given very limited tools.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Brianna: To do what they could in their parenting like, and like my parents, I am not critical of them.
They did the best they could, but they were raised by parents who weren’t even ever allowed to say how they felt ever. Mm-hmm. So when I had big emotions and maybe I got, you know, sent to my room a lot or whatever, was that the best option? No, probably not. But the fact that I could say how I felt that was progress.
Right. Yeah. So I think that it’s like it’s culminating more and more and. Millennial. What’s, what I think is really interesting too is like millennials are the only, thus far, the only generation that is not becoming more conservative with age. And I think that translates to our parenting that we’re like, we will let you have these feelings.
Like it’s not just children need to like be seen and not heard or whatever the thing is, right. Um, so I think it’s all kind of coming together. Um, the hard part is I think because millennials are so in touch with this, we’re always so worried about like, oh my gosh, we’re traumatizing our kids and we probably are like, that’s it.
It is, it’s we are okay. We are your kids gonna meet their, we’re learning something. But I think the fact that you just said that we’re learning that is different than again, broad strokes, many previous generations of parents, um, is that there wasn’t the openness to say I was wrong. And I think if we can start from that place of like.
We are also learning to be parents. We’re learning you individual, each individual child, what you need. Then at least in the future, it’s not hopefully that our kids will just hold us against, hold it against us for our mistakes. Right. Right. Like they’re like, we get that you’ve always been open and so that, that matters a lot.
It matters a lot.
Christa Innis: Yes. No, that, that was so well said because I, I’ve had similar conversations before with people about that. It’s just like being a parent, coming up a parent myself too has given me more sympathy for like my parents and other generations too. Because you made a great point. Like even talking to my dad about his parents’ generation and his grandparents, like it was so different.
Yeah. It’s like, so they kind of took those tools and made it better and they took those tools and made it better. Um, because yeah, like my, I remember my dad being like, uh, not to get too personal, I don’t share a lot of personal stuff, but like, you couldn’t even like crack a joke at the dinner table growing up.
Like it was serious. Like you sit down. Yeah. We’re not, if you like burp at the table. Yeah, yeah. If you burped or anything, you were like punished. You were off.
Brianna: Right, right.
Christa Innis: And so my dad’s like, I never wanna be that way with you guys ’cause like. Dinner should be follow, we should be hanging out, you know, whatever.
And so, um, just hearing them talk about that. I feel like we’re always trying to like see what our parents did and how we could be better. Not saying they were bad, just saying, how can we take that and then apply those tools? Um,
Brianna: right, exactly. I think that’s what everyone’s trying to do. And that’s, you know, that’s the goal in general, not just parenting.
Right. But I think. Sometimes it can be hard ’cause it feels like, I think other, other generations feel like, oh, like you’re, you guys are being so critical. And I think the criticism doesn’t have to, I mean, sometimes it is warranted if it, if, you know, it’s like a really negative thing. But I think we can look and just say, we know more now we have more resource.
Like we, our, our generation of parents has so many resources, which can be overwhelming, but like my mom couldn’t hop on Google and look and say like, what the heck do I do when my kid does this? Or like, she didn’t have the community besides her next door neighbors to, to figure out like, what happens when my kid comes home and, and says this thing.
Um, and while sometimes I envy that, I think we, it, we just have more resources now. And so we’re just trying to utilize those and yeah, it’s not everyone before us was bad by any means. I think it’s just like we would hope our kids become even better parents than we are. Right? Yeah. So,
Christa Innis: yeah. I know. Yeah.
It’s funny you said about like, too, like talking to your kids and you’re like, oh my gosh, am I, what am I doing right now to, you know, ’cause like, I will, I’m already overthinker and then being like a parent, I’ll be like, I see myself in her sometimes and I’ll be like, oh my gosh. I’m like, and I, and I’ll be like, I’m, I’m sorry I said it that way.
And I’m like, I should say it like this. Or like, um, I dunno if you’ve ever seen that S one L skit, I think, I think it’s Kristen Stewart and she’s like trying to compliment a kid other than like, oh, you look pretty in that dress. Yes. She’s like, you’re, you’re so smart. And so like, I try to like correct myself because I’ll be like, you’re such a pretty princess.
And I’m like, and you, you’re like,
Brianna: wait, no, but that’s not the only thing good about you. I know
Christa Innis: your brain. It’s so hard. Your brain.
Brianna: Yes. Well, and I feel like for a while, and there’s obviously, there’s nothing wrong with that, but I think for a while the pendulum kind of swung so far. The other way that it felt like if you praised your kids at all, it was negative.
Like they were like, no, ’cause they have to have like the growth mindset. All of that is true. But I think if you are. Which you are. I can just tell, even from talking to you, if you’re raising your kids and looking at them holistically, like you’re, they’re an entire person, it’s fine to tell your daughter, oh my gosh, you’re such a pretty princess.
Fine. But I think what, what happened with in some people’s, you know, childhoods, or especially like years and years ago, decades ago, um, is that that was like the only thing that girls were praised for, or, you know, eldest, eldest daughter syndrome. You only were like, oh, you got, you did well. And so we praised your accomplishments.
And so that’s it. And I think if you’re being intentional, it’s, it’s pretty easy if you’re being, if you’re just treating your kid like a person, that you’re gonna recognize all those parts of them. But Right. But I get, you’re like, oh wait, that’s bad, right? Did I just harm you for life? Are you gonna go to therapy for this one day?
Right.
Christa Innis: Disney movies or something. And I’m like, I learned about Disney movies, and I’m like, she had Stockholm Syndrome because he wants her up. So we’ll watch Between the Beast. I’m like, yeah, it’s a great movie, but remember when a man, if a man acts this way towards you, that’s not normal.
Brianna: It is not for real life.
Well, and the thing that I tell my clients and myself, honestly all the time, um, is that I get like with the awareness of knowing how everyone, or like our kids are impacted by our behavior, we get really worried about what’s happening and we think sometimes it’s like, oh no, I yelled at my kid, or I said something wrong, or I sent them to their, this is what I’m guilty of.
Sometimes I send my kids to my, to their room and I’m like, oh, I probably should have talked to them, but I got dysregulated in that moment. I like couldn’t handle it. So, and what I tell people is that the, when that, when that happens, when there’s some sort of like, uh, rupture of the connection, that’s what they call it in, in like the relationship, there’s a rupture.
So it could be like yelling at your kid. It could be, um, not noticing their bid for attention. It could be sending ’em through their room when it should have been a conversation. That part feels bad. And that’s where we kind of get stuck sometimes, right? We’re like, oh my God, what did I just do? They’re gonna carry this with them forever.
Um, but what’s actually more important, and they’re like a ton of different studies on this, I won’t get into all of it, but it, what’s more important is the repair afterwards. And they’ve done all these different research studies showing even with babies that it’s like when you with a baby, it looks like they’re trying to get your attention and you’re not paying attention.
And they’re like, what’s going on? They’ll pick up what on it quickly. What’s more important is the repair. So it’s connection basically. So when you know you have that moment with your daughter and you’re like, I shouldn’t have said that. The part that you went, go to her and you, you know, correct what you said, or you say, you know, like for me it’s usually like.
I probably shouldn’t have sent you to your room. I should have talked to you and I was overwhelmed. Um, that part is the part that like lasts in their brain and that’s what like the, the neurons in their brain are like, okay, this is okay now the relationship is okay now. And I think what, where some parents in the past have maybe stopped is there, is they’re like, oh, that feels bad.
I don’t wanna revisit it. So they don’t, and then the, the repair never happens, if that makes sense. No,
Christa Innis: that was like, that was like
Brianna: powerful. I know. When I heard it for the first time, I was like, oh, that’s so, I mean, I think it’s so encouraging because we’re trying our best, but we’re also only human and we’re bringing, just like our parents brought their stuff, we’re bringing our stuff.
And when my kid freaks out and screams and like, is just being a kid is overwhelmed and I wanna shut them in their room. This is, maybe this is too personal, but I’m like, I know that as a kid and I love my parents. If my parents watch this, love you guys, you’re great. But, and they will admit that they did not.
Let me have those big emotions. So it’s very hard for me to sit with my kids when they’re having those big emotions. ’cause someone didn’t do that for me at that age. Yeah. So I think you have to go, okay, I’m getting triggered as a parent and now I just need to do the repair and. I remember there was a moment you just said the same thing with about your husband and your daughter.
There was a moment where my husband, um, he like was talking to one of my sons and my son was like, you know, really nervous to like, tell something. It was like, no big deal. They’re really little, but they were like really nervous and he was like, there’s literally nothing that you could tell me that’s not gonna make me love and care about you.
And, and there’s no mistake that you can make that’s like too big. And I’m in the corner like choking, sobbing. And my husband’s like, are you okay? And I’m like. Listen, I had an amazing dad. Like my dad is like, great. But I think when you witness your partner doing that with your child, it’s like, oh my God.
I just know you just planted such a good seed in the, in your kid. So
Christa Innis: yes. You like take those snapshot snapshots. Yes. And you’re like, ah.
Brianna: You’re like, oh, this is like core memory. Like in that movie. It’s like that just got captured and that just planted the seed of like acceptance in your kid and it’s like, it’s really nice to watch.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And then you like, I feel like, and I flash forward to like the future and I’m like, you are, you have such a good dad that’s gonna like, call you, like talk you up about your emotions or like what’s going on at school, who you, who are your friend, you know, like that kind of stuff. That’s possible.
Brianna: Totally.
Christa Innis: I love that. I feel like we just had a therapy session, so thank you for that. I
Brianna: can’t help it. I can’t help it.
Christa Innis: No, I loved it. I loved it. I feel like I’m gonna really remember those repair moments. Oh good. Okay. I always feel like it’s funny when I like switch gears. We like chat and, okay, let’s go to like, um, wedding stories.
So as this podcast is around like. Wedding or event stories. Mm-hmm. You told me that you have kind of a funny or wild story that happened in regards to your wedding so far. Sure.
The Boudoir Surprise
Brianna: Oh my gosh. I told my husband I was gonna tell this, and he is like, you loved telling this story? And I was like, well, it’s so embarrassing.
I think it’s funny now. I think it’s funny. It wasn’t funny then. So like I said, I grew up like Evangelical Christian. And so I got married very young. Not that you have to, but it’s pretty par for the course. So my husband and I started dating when I, when I was 18. So like, I like met him like the day after I graduated high school or something.
And we dated for a few years. We got engaged when I was 20. Oh. Uh, and we are getting married when I was 21, so, um, he’s like two and a half or three years older than me. Anyway, all that to say, so part of like the thing, I don’t know if people still do this, but it was like a big thing to do boudoir photos when I was getting married.
Um, and especially I think kind of from like the. The Christian bubble, it was like, oh, you’re like allowed to do this stuff now, now you can be promiscuous. So I had, I had this friend love her and she still, she’s, she laughs about this, I laugh about this. This is no shade to her. She did our photos for our engagement.
We even had done some like model like faux engagement, uh, photos for her, like modeling before we were even engaged. Known her forever. She’s like my youth group leader, so knew for a long time and she took our, all of our pictures, she took our, she took my boudoir photos. She said, I wanna gift this to you for, you know, your husband, once you’re married, you can do these photos, whatever.
And, um, wedding photos, everything. So I took them and I was so insecure at the time. I like didn’t look at them because I was like, I like looked at one and I was like, I hate my body. I like was the hottest I’ve ever been though. So that’s depressing. But I was like, oh God, I can’t look at these. So didn’t really pay attention to them.
Uh, got married, went on our honeymoon. We got back from our honeymoon and we had a gallery of our, like the star, the like preview gallery of our wedding photos. And she was like, Hey, here’s your preview. If you wanna like send these to your friends and family, you’re welcome to, obviously you’ll have a full gallery, but this has some of like your family if they wanna like put them on Facebook or whatever you’re using back then.
And um, so I like emailed out the link to everybody and apparently she used this like, hosting site. Mm-hmm. And so none of it was supposed to be linked to other photo shoots, um, except for on her end. But somehow my father-in-law was looking at the picture. My father-in-law then was the picture. And, uh, he pressed like back on his browser and he was trying to go to like all the pho, like all the preview photos.
Yeah. But it took him to. Every photo she had ever taken of me. And so he like all of a sudden gets like all of these thumbnails of me in, I mean, look, I was in lingerie, but still it was the lingerie. So he, I’m like with my husband, and we had like just gotten home to like our little tiny apartment. And my like, my husband’s like, oh, hold on.
My dad’s calling me. He can picks up. He’s like, he’s like, Hey, what’s up? And I like, look at my husband’s face and my husband’s like, oh my, oh my God. And I’m like, what’s happening? And his dad like, can’t even get the words out. He’s like, you, the photo, you have to tell people not to open. And we’re like, whatcha talking about?
And so it, you know, it comes out like he saw them and he was like, I, I clicked out it really quick, but I don’t want anyone else to see these, blah, blah, blah. And I was mortified. Like, I was like, oh my, like out of anyone. It couldn’t have been my mom that accidentally saw it, or like my sister, it was my father-in-law.
So he sees that, whatever. Luckily we got it fixed. The photographer was like so apologetic, but I was like, you didn’t, it was like a, something with the website. It was not her fault.
Christa Innis: Oh my.
Brianna: But it’s funny because. At the time, I was so insecure that I hadn’t shown my husband those photos yet. Oh he, and so my, my dad saw these and now, still now, because it’s like tainted to me now, I was like, I can’t show, every time I think of these photos, I’m gonna think of your freaking dad.
Like this is bizarre. And so my husband to this day, he brings it up all the time. I’ve never shown him that like, can I please see them? I’m like, well now it’s weird because that was like five kids ago. To me, I look like so young now. And so it’s like this ongoing joke. Luckily my father-in-law has never brought it up.
He acted like it never happened. And that’s way
Christa Innis: like not here or there. It’s gone.
Brianna: Yep.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Brianna: Yep. But every time that I am somewhere and there’s like, oh, we gotta tell your most embarrassing story. I have to pull that one out. ’cause I’m like it now. I laugh, but man, when you’re 21 years old, newly married, it was not funny.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I would probably like move countries and change my name on
Brianna: Yep. I was like, oh, I wanna die. I actually wanna die. So I’m thankful that he just acted like it never happened to me. Um, and because I do the same thing and we just, you know, pretend that didn’t happen and
Christa Innis: just move on with our life. Oh my gosh, that is wild.
Brianna: It was bad.
Christa Innis: That was, that’s, yeah. That would, that I feel like that’s the only way I can go about it. Like, there’s no reason to discuss it or talk about it. You just gotta move past it. Nope. Yeah,
Brianna: yeah. Nope. So now it’s funny, I even said to my husband, I’m like, oh, I’m telling her this story today. And he was like, are you ever gonna show me this?
I was like, Nope. Nope. It’s, it’s tied to a bad memory now. And he’s like, okay. It’s
Christa Innis: like locked away. Just,
Brianna: yeah. I’m like, there’s somewhere on a locked thing on the internet and that is where they will stay.
Christa Innis: So when you actually sent like, or resent the, the link of your wedding photos out to people, did you like triple, quadruple check?
Yes.
Brianna: Yes. Well, and it’s funny because it never happened, like she was taken all of her photos and it was some sort of like glitch that happened that took people back to the homepage that was supposed to be private and
Christa Innis: oh my God,
Brianna: shot
Christa Innis: like, here, I’ll just print you a couple wedding photos and manually,
Brianna: yeah, exactly.
No more internet. Well, and like, especially at that time, like, like I said, I like grew up like Christian conservative, so it was like, not that I would love that now, but like my, my mindset now, I would be like, oh my God, that’s embarrassing, but whatever. But back then it was like, that’s like the worst thing that I could imagine, like mm-hmm.
Horrifying. I could barely deal with the fact that I even took those photos. I was like. What’s wrong with me? Why did I do? I’m so weird. So yeah, that was bad, but now we just laugh and it’s a funny memory.
Christa Innis: Oh gosh. That’s hilarious. Oh man, I love it. That was such a great story. Um, okay. Um, before we get to today’s story, I know we’re kind of going over time.
Are you still okay on time?
Brianna: Oh yeah, I’m totally good. Yeah. All good.
Red Light, Green Light: Wedding Edition
Christa Innis: Um, okay, so I’m gonna do a little red light, green light. This is about like, kinda like wedding ish related, and then we’ll do our resubmission.
Brianna: Okay. Okay.
Christa Innis: So just answer with red light or green light. Eloping without telling anyone.
Brianna: Ooh.
Green light. Okay. I
Christa Innis: like that. Inviting someone who didn’t invite you to their wedding.
Brianna: Mm. Green light.
Christa Innis: Calling out a guest publicly for rude behavior.
Brianna: Ooh, red light. Can’t do that. I’d be too embarrassed.
Christa Innis: I know. I feel like for me, it would depend on the situation.
Brianna: I guess it depends what the behavior is.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Brianna: Right. I once went to a wedding where the best man was literally so wasted, and no one would stop him with his rambling speech. And that’s where, that should have been a call out like, ’cause like there were like hundreds of people and we were all just watching as he told embarrassing stories about the bride.
Christa Innis: No.
Brianna: And I was like, someone take this man off the stage and take his microphone.
Christa Innis: I know when I, I’m like, why are they not unplugging the mic and be like, Hey, thanks, bye.
Brianna: I know. And I’m like, I’m just a random guest. Like, if it were my friend, I would’ve, you know, intervened. But I’m like, it was so bad. And the bride was like, dying inside.
And I was like, yeah, that’s the time that that’s a call out. That’s a call out for sure.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I know. I, I was at a wedding once where the maid of honor said something about her friend, the bride only marrying for money. Fuck. But it was funny because, well, I don’t know if I wanna say too much, but it was, it was an old boss who no one liked.
So I was like, yeah,
Brianna: like you’re like, he like
Christa Innis: a terrible Yeah. Terrible boss. Toxic a bit. Well, I was like, well, I’m not surprised.
Brianna: Yeah, you’re like, I’m not gonna say anything.
Christa Innis: Well, she was so nice. I was like, I don’t know how that happened, but anyway. Uh, okay. Um, expecting cash gifts if guests traveled far.
Brianna: Oh, I’d say red light. I feel like, I guess it was hard too, ’cause I got married so young that I like, didn’t really expect that much. I was just like, let’s just do this.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Brianna: But I, especially in today’s economy, I think if people show up for you, that’s pretty nice, you know?
Christa Innis: Yeah, I know.
Brianna: Even small takes a card.
I don’t know.
Christa Innis: I know. I feel like if someone is. Paying for a flight or a hotel or like coming like a long way. I’m like,
Brianna: expensive.
Christa Innis: Yeah. They’re, they’re coming to spend the day with you.
Brianna: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Um, letting your mom control the guest list because she’s paying.
Brianna: Ooh. My mom did do that. I mean, she let me invite who I wanted, but she’s like, we’re inviting all these random people and I was like, okay.
I didn’t really care. But I feel like, again, I feel like getting married so young, like I didn’t care about certain things that I would probably care about if I had gotten married, like in my thirties. Yeah. I think I would have more to say there. So I let my green light back then red light probably. Now if I, if it was happening now, I’d probably speak up a little bit more bit.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I say that all the time. ’cause like I’ve been with my husband since we were 24.
Brianna: Yeah.
Christa Innis: I’m 35 now. And so I was like, I’m like, and, and we, and we got married when I was, I think I was 31. 30. Um, and I was like, I feel like it’s night and day. Like same thing. If I would’ve gotten married younger, I think I would’ve had a way bigger wedding party.
I think I would’ve invited a lot more people. Um, oh, a hundred
Brianna: percent. Wow. It would be so different like now, honestly, and I, I don’t regret having my wedding. ’cause I think it was really wonderful and it was really great to have people that like loved us and, and wanted to celebrate us, but now I’m like, I just value different things.
Maybe it’s after kids too, I don’t know. But I think I would’ve gone a lot smaller. I would’ve paired things down, but, you know, I’m happy it happened that way. But you just have a different perspective as you get older, I think.
Christa Innis: Yeah. You know, elopement also way different than too.
Brianna: Yeah, totally. Like
Christa Innis: I feel like, like we were, I was just talking, I, we just did a wedding, a story where it happened in 20 2001, so I was like.
Way younger obviously, but 2001 and the wedding was $16,000. And I was like, that seems so cheap. Yeah. But that was like 25 years ago now. 26 years ago. Right. And so it just keeps going on i’s so exciting.
Brianna: Oh, totally. Because I think like my parents spent a lot of money on our wedding and now if it were that same, obviously not like with inflation, I think if it were that same amount amount of money now it would be like nothing.
And that wasn’t even that long ago. Like, we got married in, when did we get married? 2012. It’s been a long time. Um, but yeah, it’s like, it’s so different. It’s just so different now. And I think, but I think even also like back then there were also a little bit like, like I said, like less resource parenting.
There were like less ways you could figure out like where could I buy, like at the best price, all these things. So yeah, who knows? But
Christa Innis: kinda what you
Brianna: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Christa Innis: And before Pinterest probably, which is like,
Brianna: yeah, that was like just entering the scene when I got married. So I feel like a lot of the things that I had were very pinteresty like, I’m like, oh yeah, probably pinned that and just copied it.
Christa Innis: Oh my God, that’s the best. Um, a mother-in-law inviting extra guests without asking,
Brianna: ooh, I’d say red light, but my mother-in-law would never, she’s good.
Christa Innis: Um, friends complaining about wedding costs to the bride,
Brianna: Ooh, that is a red light. Unless it’s really out of control. Like, I have heard, I haven’t had this experience, but I have heard of like, you know, the bride, maybe it has more money, like resources that way, and then the bridesmaids don’t, they’re in a different stage of life or they, you know, have more expense going on.
So I think you have to be aware, you know, like not everyone has the same budget.
Christa Innis: Yes. Have open, but
Brianna: completely bride feels gross, right?
Christa Innis: Yeah,
Brianna: yeah,
Christa Innis: yeah. I, I don’t, I don’t like that. Just have open communication if you can’t
Brianna: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Do it. Yeah. Be clear. Okay. Let’s get into this week. Story submission.
Brianna: Okay.
Christa Innis: Um, as always, I’ve not read it yet, so we’re gonna see what happens.
Oh,
Brianna: love it. Yay.
Christa Innis: My husband helps me out and he, he picks them, puts them in here.
Brianna: Oh, good. So it’ll be a good one. Yeah. Yeah.
The Wedding and the Grudge
Christa Innis: Um, okay. So feel free to stop me at any time or we’ll just react as we go. All right. Okay. My husband’s sister has always been a little intimidating. Even when she was being nice, I always felt like I had to walk on eggshells around her.
My husband, however, always said they were extremely close and had a great relationship, so we spent time with her and even visited. Um, she even visited us a few time when she lived outta state. On one visit she came with her boyfriend. He was nice overall, but he definitely came in hot with political views that were very different from ours and ended up arguing with me a bit.
It was uncomfortable, but we laughed it off and moved on. Fast forward to our, to the week of our wedding. The day before we were set to leave, about a five hour drive with a lot of packing and last minute prep, she asked my husband to meet up for drinks. He said no because we had too much going on. We had no idea at the time that this would apparently cause so much tension.
The first night we had planned a casual dinner and invited everyone who was already in town. She had a few cousins all around our age who were supposed to come, but at the last minute they said they wouldn’t arrive in time and wouldn’t see them until the next day.
Brianna: Oh, wow.
Christa Innis: The following day, they were coming to help me set up for a welcome party.
I met them at the venue and while everyone was helpful, I could tell immediately that she was in a mood. Her boyfriend, on the other hand, was wonderful. My sister and my mom kept commenting on how great he was, and we were genuinely grateful for everyone’s help. After that, we all went our separate ways.
Until the rehearsal and welcome party, we didn’t have tra a traditional wedding party, so the rehearsal was small. Just our parents, my sister and her kids who were in the wedding, my in-laws, and the friend who was officiating. We signed our marriage paperwork that night. My sister signed then and I caught my sister-in-law at the welcome party so she could sign as well.
While there, I also talked with her and my mother-in-law about what time they should come over in the morning to get ready. Okay. The morning of the wedding, she was in a bad mood and barely spoke to anyone. I spent way too much of the wedding morning trying to make sure she felt included and happy, which looking back is wild because I was literally the blind.
It’s like when, when you’re gonna be like sour and then take away from the day, it’s just like,
Brianna: ah, that makes me so mad. Yeah, it’s embarrassing. Yeah.
Christa Innis: During family photos, her boyfriend forgot his jacket. I brushed it off trying to not be be a bridezilla, but she continued acting distant and upset. I don’t remember her saying anything kind about how I looked or expressing any happiness for us at all.
Is this all because he missed a drink with her? I’m so confused.
Brianna: Crazy. Yes.
Christa Innis: At the reception, she sulked in the corner for most of the night. My husband tried to get her to dance or even just talk, but she shoo’ed him away. The next day was more of the same. She removed herself from activities and played the victim.
Brianna: Wow.
Christa Innis: A few weeks later, my husband met up with her and she said she’d been in a bad mood because her cousins made her be the designated driver for the wedding.
Brianna: What,
Christa Innis: how does someone make you, for one,
Brianna: I know, you know, you can literally just, you could just drink something like
Christa Innis: Yeah,
Brianna: and say no.
Christa Innis: You can just say, yeah, no, I’m not going to, or take an Uber.
I mean, I don’t know what it was, but
Brianna: yeah.
Christa Innis: That obviously sucks, but she agreed to it.
Brianna: Yeah.
Christa Innis: So why like make that your whole personality then like, yeah.
Brianna: What? That’s bizarre.
Christa Innis: That’s really weird. It’s like she wanted to be the victim or be upset about something. It
Brianna: sounds like she wanted, she needed the attention for some reason.
Christa Innis: Yeah, because if someone would’ve asked me to be a DD for like one of my best friend’s wedding or a sibling, I’d be like, no.
Brianna: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Sorry. Staying at the hotel or whatever.
Brianna: Right.
Christa Innis: Um, when my husband asked why she seemed so disengaged, she didn’t have an answer. The next time they talked, she said she felt left out of the wedding and that it didn’t feel like her brother’s wedding at all.
Just a party. She happened to attend. What did she, oh my
Brianna: God.
Christa Innis: This is someone that literally, I don’t think you can make happy. I just
Brianna: No, no, because she sounded very involved. Yeah. Like she was ready to get ready, like she’s at the reception or whatever, like all the different events.
Christa Innis: Yeah. She’s at everything.
Brianna: That’s suspicious.
Christa Innis: Yeah. At that point we decided to step back. Now we’re at Civil Family. Now we’re civil at family gatherings, but don’t have a relationship with her to this day. She has never apologized for how she acted. My husband is deeply hurt and frustrated. She’s used to getting her way and she finally is.
He’s finally done accommodating that behavior. In a more recent conversation, he told her he was sad and he felt like she wasn’t really a part of his wedding. She immediately denied ever saying that it essentially gas, and she denied ever saying that, and essentially gaslit him claiming that she never felt feels that way.
She would never feel that way. Now, she insists she was going through something but won’t explain, just continues saying she was excluded and I didn’t do enough to include her. She even claims I didn’t tell her ahead of time that I wanted her there while getting ready, which isn’t true at all. I bought matching pajamas and slippers and absolutely told her in advance.
At this point, she wants us to feel bad for her and apologize, and that’s simply not going to happen. She has completely centered our wedding memories around herself and how she felt, and we are exhausted by it. Since stepping back from her life has been peaceful, no drama, no anxiety about offending her, just calm, his parents aren’t happy and keep telling my husband to be the bigger person.
Oh, make up. But what’s done is done and he’s just done dealing with her. One last detail that adds context. She lived at home until she was 34 and moved out a few months ago, about five months at our, after our wedding. We’re now eight months out from the wedding and I still can’t believe she hasn’t tried to apologize.
It’s sad to watch someone play the victim for this long, and I still don’t understand how our wedding made her so uncomfortable. But honestly, the whole situation has made me appreciate my own family even more. I feel like I kept waiting for something like to be revealed.
Brianna: Something missing. Like the, the bride does not know something.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Brianna: Didn’t know what it is.
Christa Innis: Because why was that like weird boyfriend all of a sudden, like really hands on? Like was something going with that? Like, you know, I thought there was something about him.
Brianna: I thought it was especially ’cause she said the thing about his political views. At first I was like, oh, something’s gonna come up with that later.
Like, but it seems like they were just surprised that like he kind of rubbed them the wrong way and then he was really helpful later.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Brianna: Something else is happening and I wonder, okay. What I wonder is, okay, the husband said he had a really good relationship with the sister, right? Like at first, or like, he always had, I wonder if the, the marriage.
Somehow disrupted his role in the family. Do you know what I mean? Like all of a sudden he, because it sounds like once he didn’t accommodate her anymore, then she’s like, I’m out. Which is actually really normal thing when someone decides not to be in their role in the family, whatever they’ve always played, then people get upset by that.
Um, so I wonder if the relationship was good because he was so accommodating to her all the time and like played to her emotions.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Especially when she added the detail about she lived at home that whole time, like mm-hmm. Up to 34. Mm-hmm. Which, you know, no shame everyone has their own reasons for, you know, no, they calm economy’s crazy.
But if still lived at home and maybe he lived at home before living with his girlfriend, we don’t know those details, but for sure, like he found a girl, he wants to get married to her or found a woman wants to get married to her and has all these wedding things coming up, realizing that she kind is taking the back seat.
Like,
Brianna: I think so not the most important.
Christa Innis: I like,
Brianna: yes. I feel like this is the type of thing sometimes you hear about, um. Like when you hear like mother-in-law, horror stories like this feels like a, a different version of that. It’s like, oh, all of a sudden you’re not the number one or whatever, you know, like, you don’t, you’re not taking priority.
And so immature people, right, like this, this sister, a mature person would say, Hey, this wedding is happening. I need to say something. If I feel left out. Like that would be the mature response, right? But I think immature people, they make themselves trying to make themselves the center of attention, like sulking, right?
Like doing all of these things to be like, look at me, I’m so sad. Which is very teenager like, honestly. And then. Not bringing it up until later and then denying it, all of that. It just like, to me, just like reeks of insecurity and being like, it’s like a tantrum a little bit. It’s like an elongated adult tantrum.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Like, you should know why I’m acting this way. Yeah. I’m gonna tell you so. Right. Check out my cues.
Brianna: Yeah. Which is, again, it’s very teenager like, but teenagers are allowed to do that because they’re, I mean, they can’t be, you know, rude or whatever, but like their, their brains literally, they have to act like that, but they’re, they don’t understand how to do the adult thing, but the sister obviously does.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I,
Brianna: what also gives me pause is that the parents are like to the husband, like, you need to go apologize. So what that tells me is like that the daughter is the center of that
Christa Innis: family. That’s
Brianna: the dynamic. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It’s like we have to accommodate her. And maybe up until now they didn’t have a big issue, so it doesn’t, it hasn’t been obvious.
But the big issue is he got married and,
Christa Innis: yeah.
Brianna: Wow. I, I will say from, from what she shared, props to the husband who seems like he took. Control of the situation. Yeah. ’cause I think sometimes, like if it’s like a man and a woman married, then the woman sometimes feels like she has to like, help manage that, which is, and then she gets called the whatever, the bad person in the situation.
Um, so at least it seems like props to him that he was like, yeah, I’m not doing that. That’s great.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah. I know. I love that because, uh, you made a really good point. It’s like that typical like mother-in-law story we hear where they’re like, wait, but I’m the number one woman in your life, right? Like, right.
Yeah. And so there’s that weird like, divide that they can’t accept. And so I feel like that was that’s a good point because they like, we, a lot of times in these stories too, like I don’t hear, we don’t hear about the fiance or the husband, right? Yeah. And they’re. The bride or the woman, the relationship is like left to deal with the drama.
Like, he’s like, well, sorry, my, my parents are just weird. Or my mom’s weird. Yeah.
Brianna: And then she looks like the bad, the bad guy that like shut the
Christa Innis: boundary,
Brianna: whatever. Yeah. So good for him there. That’s good. I think with people like that, obviously there’s just a snapshot of their lives, but I think with people like that, like the sister, you do have to maintain really strong boundaries and then if you keep them, then they get the choice if they want to be in your life or not in, you know, while, while keeping inside of those boundaries.
But it sounds like there it was the best choice because their life is like peaceful now. It also hasn’t been that long since the wedding. So it’ll be interesting. It would be interesting to hear like, you know, a couple years from now, especially like if they have kids or something, like if that dynamic changes or how that dynamic changes.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah. And, um, I feel like too, now I’m going back to the 34 living at home thing too. Yeah. Again, there’s different reasons. It’s all nuanced, but yeah, if it’s something where she was babied maybe, and like never actually forced to like, go out on your own or get a job, you know, I don’t know every, what other details.
Brianna: Right. But it seems, it sounds, it seemed like pretty pointed that the, that the bride put that in the story.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Brianna: Like, not just like a, like, I think if it weren’t that, like if it were like, oh, you know, she had like, you know, she lost her job or whatever. She had some sort of circumstance. She had to live at home.
It wouldn’t have been worth mentioning. So it feels like she was like, she lives at home too. Wink, wink.
Christa Innis: Yeah. It wasn’t like she went away and came back. It says she lived at home until, so I’m getting like, she was like the baby, like princess of the family. Never had to be. Does
Brianna: it say, was she the older sister or the younger sister?
Did it say in there,
Christa Innis: let’s
Brianna: see,
Christa Innis: it just says
Brianna: the sister, I think. I don’t think it said.
Christa Innis: Yeah, my husband’s sister. Yeah. It doesn’t really say, it doesn’t,
Brianna: it feels like if it were the older sister, I wonder if she was like, my younger brother is getting married before me, or like meeting these milestones before me. And then obviously if she’s the younger one, it could be that like extra like baby of the family.
Like everyone kind of caters to her and then all of a sudden they’re not. But it would be interesting to hear like the birth order there.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Brianna: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I feel like that’s really interesting. Yeah. It, it definitely makes me think. It says she, so she moved out five months after the wedding, it sounds like.
So maybe that’s like the push she needs to get out. Yeah. Yeah. But um, yeah, so I’m getting like she’s used to everyone kind of catering to her. Mm-hmm. And because the brother said like, no, because I’m doing this thing with my wife, I can’t come. That was like the thing. Yeah. She’s like, I’m gonna hold onto this
Brianna: forever.
Christa Innis: He said no to me. Your sister. Yeah. Um. Which I always think it’s like, of course they’re not thinking with their, like their right brain or whatever, but like,
Brianna: yeah. Yeah.
Christa Innis: I, I always think like with these mother-in-law stories of the sister story, you are just creating more of a barrier. Yeah. Like if you really wanna be involved, like, how can I support you?
I’m so excited for that. You found the love of your life. How can I be there? And then they would want her to hang out with them all the time, you know, like,
Brianna: and it could be this positive relationship.
Christa Innis: Yeah,
Brianna: totally. I think The Hartford is, is like most people, and again, it’s like whatever, people in adulthood, you have to learn how to do these things on your own.
But I think this is, this is like actually such a great example of why it’s so important to teach your children how to say how they feel. Because all of a sudden you have a 34-year-old sister who has to be like manipulative basically, or like secretive with her feelings and you can’t control everything that, how your kids turn out.
But it’s like, that’s why we say to our kids, like, how do you actually feel, share with people how you feel, be, you know, direct in a kind way. Because I think it’s actually very normal to have those feelings. If you have a sibling or a child get married and you feel like, what’s my place? There’s nothing wrong with the feeling, but it’s like the behavior is where it gets weird.
Right? You’re like,
Christa Innis: right,
Brianna: that’s, that’s ruining something for the person you’re upset that is, is changing roles in your life that you’re claiming that you love and you’re making them upset. That doesn’t make sense.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. There’s definitely a lot missing and I feel like they’re not gonna get the answers from her at this point.
Brianna: Oh.
Christa Innis: So now it sucks because now there’s this like weird tension in all their relationships and it could have just been like a new stage, but
Brianna: Right. She could have just said, oh man, like I really wanted to go out for drinks with you. Like I’m, you know, I’m happy for you, but I’m having a hard time that our relationship is probably gonna change.
Great. It was that easy.
Christa Innis: Yeah, it was.
Brianna: It was not though. I don’t think they will probably ever know either. Yeah. Unless one day she like blows up at them and says, oh, this is all what happened and
Christa Innis: yeah.
Brianna: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh
Brianna: gosh. That’s
Christa Innis: messy. And, and it’s too, it’s like she can’t see, when you’re in that victim hood, you can’t see people including you.
Right. Because I mean like it’s so easy to just like sit in that spot of like, oh, everyone hates me. They don’t want me here. And like no matter how many times someone comes over, she’s just not gonna, no, she’s looking
Brianna: at everything through that lens. Yeah. She’s like, oh, well maybe she invited me but it didn’t seem like she really wanted me there or whatever.
’cause it’s like clear the bride was involving her, but it, yeah, when you’re in a certain mindset, I think it’s like, it’s very hard to like assimilate true information and like what’s actually happening. So to her, I don’t even think she necessarily sister was like necessarily like lying about these things.
But I think that she kind of, it seems like she chose that kind of victim mentality and then, then she just saw everything through that.
Christa Innis: Yeah. This is totally like, not making up stories in my head, but like I. Reading in between the lines too. Like even deeper. What if it’s something with like, she is the older sister and like you said, like maybe like offended that he’s getting married first.
Yeah. And so then she like meets this boyfriend. Right. But they’re, it’s kind of weird. So maybe she said something like, something about like getting married and he like isn’t interested and so then the whole wedding she’s just like, oh, you’re
being
Brianna: so I, you’re being so helpful to them, but like you don’t even wanna marry.
I feel like there, there had to be some sort of dynamic with the boyfriend because it seems like weird timing and I think that, I don’t even know, like the bride that wrote in, like I feel like she included things without knowing why she was including them. But they are important. Like why bring up the political thing necessarily?
Like, I don’t know, it just seems like there’s like certain pieces I’m like, oh we’re just missing just a teeny bit.
Christa Innis: Yeah. It’s like
Brianna: I feel like something probably did happen there. Yeah,
Christa Innis: yeah, yeah. Like some hidden conversation with him. ’cause he’s all of sudden being really helpful and hands-on and she’s like, screw you, I just talked to you about marriage and you’re not interested.
Yeah. Something.
Brianna: I’m
Christa Innis: really reading into that for that.
Brianna: No, I, I kinda love doing that though. It feels like those books where you’re like, you see, you like read the whole story and then all of a sudden the next chapter you’re like, you get the different character’s perspective and you’re like, oh, that’s what happened.
I feel like we’re missing that chapter. Yes. We need to know what
Christa Innis: it’s, I
Brianna: know. So we have to,
Christa Innis: I know. Can the sister write in and tell us or point For sure.
Brianna: If you’re listening, tell us your, your perspective.
Christa Innis: Sounds like you right into us. Oh my gosh. All right. Um, that was a definitely a different kind of story because I feel like normally we have like some wild thing happen, so that was good that we could like kind of understand.
Wedding Traditions Confessions
Okay. I would like to end these with confessions that people sent me on Instagram so we can react to these. We, this week we asked what was the wedding tradition that you didn’t want but felt forced to do anyway. Did you feel this way about anything at your wedding, like traditions that you’re like, I’m not doing it, or you did something and you were like, I don’t really like that tradition.
Brianna: I don’t know. Not, I mean. I mean, like I said, I was like heavily still like in the church stuff, but part of like the ceremony, there were a lot of like you like took communion or like prayed together, which I wasn’t against, but I felt super uncomfortable everyone watching us. But there was never like a, and no one like forced me to do it, but it was like the pastor that did our wedding.
That was just what you did. Yeah, but looking back now, like I think I could have incorporated it differently, but I just felt weird. ’cause like everyone’s literally just sitting there watching as you like do all this. I know.
Christa Innis: Which, which, between the two of you? Yeah.
Brianna: Yeah. I’m also like not huge on PDA, so like, which sounds funny at your wedding, but be like, kiss, kiss and I’m like, I, it’s not that I don’t wanna kiss my husband, I just like, I’m not a big PDA girl.
So I was just like, okay. Like, I dunno, that sounds really weird to say, but my husband isn’t either. I’m like, listen, we love each other. But I don’t know the wedding itself. I think sometimes it’s fun to be the center of attention, but for a whole day it’s a lot, man. It’s
Christa Innis: a lot.
Brianna: Yeah, but nothing too bad.
Nothing too bad I can do.
Christa Innis: I get that. Yeah. Like we didn’t, we didn’t do like, I, ’cause I see a lot of people talking about this. We didn’t do the bouquet toss or the garter toss because I was like, let’s just, I don’t,
Brianna: no, the,
Christa Innis: the bouquet toss. I feel like people get, like, I don’t see my friends doing this necessarily, but I’ve been to a lot of weddings where women get vicious.
They like kush, they like elbow and like scratch. I’m like, you’re
Brianna: like, you know, this isn’t like really gonna make something happen for you. Right. It’s just
Christa Innis: No. I’ve read so many stories about people getting mad because they didn’t get the bouquet and I’m like. Girl,
Brianna: that is bizarre.
Christa Innis: You’re not gonna actually
Brianna: things a little bit too seriously and the garter thing, just feel, I think we maybe did that, but like I’ve been to some weddings where it’s like, this is uncomfortable.
Like what is happening? Like why is your whole head under there?
Christa Innis: I don’t want, yeah. I don’t want my husband’s whole body under my dress.
Brianna: Well, I know. I think ours is like quick whatever done. And I was like, why do we even do that? That was so weird. Some conditions are better left in the past, I think. But yeah, you can do what they want.
Christa Innis: I would say like, okay, so we see garter bouquet toss decorating the apartment with rocks, litter on the floor in the toilet and tub. What?
Brianna: What? Why would you do that?
Christa Innis: I’m guessing this was, this has to be European because I, I know like in Europe they call like the to the bathroom would be like the toilet.
Oh. Unless she means the actual in the toilet. Yeah. Wait, it could be like in the toilet.
Brianna: That’s so weird. Maybe they like. I know some people will like decorate or like have a surprise for when they get home from their honeymoon. Maybe they did, went like over the top with that or
Christa Innis: something. Oh, maybe that’s what it was, and they put glitter.
Oh my gosh. Don’t put glitter on anyone’s house. Just don’t,
Brianna: don’t, just don’t have glitter, period. It doesn’t, don’t have doesn.
Christa Innis: Like I love like a little glitter here and there. Like if, whatever. Yeah.
Brianna: Like
Christa Innis: a little face
Brianna: glitter, but like glitter on things. No.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And don’t surprise anyone with glitter, they’ll be watching that out for months.
Brianna: Yes.
Christa Innis: Um, this person says inviting people that I don’t like.
Brianna: Yeah, that’s a tough one.
Christa Innis: You don’t want people at your wedding that you don’t want. That’s,
Brianna: you don’t. Well, and then it’s, it is hard like, ’cause I know it’s like sometimes there’s like family members that aren’t your favorite. But also, I don’t know, there’s, I think especially, and I think again, things that are changing through generations, it’s like you used to have to do that ’cause it was like, oh, you have to respect your elders or these family relationships.
But I think now more people are like, oh, like I get the choice. Just like I wouldn’t invite some random person I didn’t like, I don’t have to invite that person just ’cause they’re related by blood. But
Christa Innis: yes,
Brianna: that’s tricky for sure.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I, I definitely think people are getting better about like boundaries with like, okay, well we only can fit a hundred people so I’m gonna fit the a hundred people that I’m closest with.
Brianna: Yeah.
Christa Innis: I do think like, unless it’s like someone that’s completely like. Exile from the family or like, you know, you don’t like see them. I feel like if you’re inviting like an uncle, you shouldn’t invite all aunts and uncle, you know what I mean? Like Yeah. Otherwise that’s kind of weird, that one. Yeah. Or cousins of a certain age, you know, whatever or
Brianna: totally.
Christa Innis: You’re inviting like friends in a circle don’t like leave like two out
Brianna: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Of that happen. And then that’s really awkward for everybody because that
Brianna: is awkward.
Christa Innis: Oh, you’re going to the wedding. What wedding? You know? That’s
Brianna: right. That is awkward. And I feel like it’s better to be like, and obviously I know money is a factor, but like, if you can’t afford it and it’s part of it, it’s better to invite those people and like either they don’t come or you don’t remember that they were there versus people being left out.
I feel like I’m always hypersensitive people being left out. I’m like, just include them.
Christa Innis: I know. I don’t want somebody left out. Yeah. Um, this person says, including my sisters and my bridal party.
Brianna: That’s an interesting
Christa Innis: one. Sounds like drama. Drama there. Mm-hmm.
Brianna: Uh, my sister was in mine and she would, I’m sure she would agree, but she, my sister’s six years younger than me, so I think that, and I got married really young, so like she was really young, so I think it was, and who knows, maybe those people have drama, but I was happy to have her in my bridal party.
But I think looking back, like when I did like my bachelorette, they involved her, which I was happy to have her there, but then obviously we’re not like going out to a bar or anything. She was like 15 years old. Like, so I think it was a little tricky with that, but again, maybe different decisions if I was older and, yeah.
Christa Innis: Right.
Brianna: I think you should have to invite, like, if you don’t have a close relationship with your sister, I feel like it is kind of weird to have them in your bridal party.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I feel like there’s a lot of pressure from like parents sometimes. Yes. Um, like I talked to a, a bride and groom once where the guy was like, yeah, my parents are threatening to not come to the wedding if I don’t have my brother be my best man.
And I was like, that’s wild. And he’s, yeah, he’s the most unreliable. Like, we’re not close. He’s like already asked my best friend and they’re like, you have to revoke his title. And I was like,
Brianna: yuck. Can
Christa Innis: you imagine? Like, I was glad, like my parents didn’t, ’cause both my husband and I, we had our siblings in our wedding, but like I had my best friend be my maid of honor, not my sister.
And he had his best friend be his best man, not his brother, but, and they weren’t offended. They were fine. And our parents were like, you can have whatever you want. It’s up to you.
Brianna: Right. Well, and at the end of the day, like I get that, especially with the having people in your bridal party is one thing.
Like if they’re like, we want, like, can you please have your sister as, as in your bridal party? Not that they should be able to request that, but I kind of get that. ’cause they’re like, okay, they’re gonna be in special pictures, they’re gonna be in all these things. Like I kind of understand that more. But to say like they have to be your best mehan or your maid of honor is wild.
Because usually that comes with other responsibilities. Like you don’t wanna unreliable person.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Brianna: There. Yeah. That’s weird. That’s really weird.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I don’t get that. All right. This last, per last, last one says, my church was so against dancing, so we didn’t have any dancing at our wedding.
Brianna: Were they in Footloose?
What was happening?
Christa Innis: Oh, no, I weird. Were the grandpa demanded that everyone stop dancing because it was like against their religion and like, oh, that’s one of those things where it’s like you have to like break, not break against tradition, but but like break against like, okay, yes, they did that their wedding, but like what, what do we want at ours?
And
Brianna: we want Exactly. Well, and it seems, I think what’s interesting is like she says like our church is against it. That feels interesting that you’re a part of that church. If you don’t, I mean, I know it sounds like a small thing, but if they’re against dancing, that says a lot about other things. They probably believe like their values and stuff about behavior.
So it’s like, well what if you didn’t have your. Wedding at the church? Like could you have it somewhere else or, I don’t know. Maybe it’s trickier than that, but
Christa Innis: yeah. I’m kind of wondering if maybe it was something where she got married a long time ago and it was a similar thing where she at the time belonged to the church.
Brianna: Yeah.
Christa Innis: And then now she is like looking back, I wish we could have danced ’cause now I would’ve loved that or something.
Brianna: Yeah, that’s possible. I feel like that that would make sense. And especially if you get married younger, some you just don’t speak up about things or you think, oh, it’s not worth it to say something.
And then you get older and you’re like, oh, that would’ve been really nice actually.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah. All right, well that was interesting then. Interesting story. I wanna see if I can get like more, more from
Brianna: that. I know she’s listening. Write in and give us more details.
Christa Innis: Yes, I know. I need like get that big like wow moment.
Well, thank you so much for coming on. It was so nice meeting you and I feel like we had such a great conversation with different angles and stuff.
Brianna: Really nice. Thank
Christa Innis: you again. Again for everyone that doesn’t follow you. I haven’t seen your content or can they follow you and what’s something exciting that you’re working on?
Brianna: Sure. Um, okay, so my name on all my socials, it’s kind of funny, but it’s Bril Weasel, so I don’t know if it’ll be like in the caption or, or yeah, we’ll
Christa Innis: add it.
Brianna: Um, but yeah, like I said, I post like mom content, political content, try to make people laugh. Um, and I just got new kittens, so if you wanna follow me, even for kitten content, they’re literally so cute.
Um, but yeah, I love, like, I’m like, I, I have a lot of people that follow me that feel like maybe the, the people in their lives, they don’t have someone to, to talk about whatever they’re going through. And I feel like it’s creating this nice little community. So come and join us. We’ll welcome you and maybe you’ll find your people that way.
Christa Innis: Awesome. I love it. Well, thanks so much again for coming in.
Brianna: Yes, thank you.
Proposal Ambush, Sister Seduction, and Passed out Bride with The Cliffnotes Gal
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What was meant to be a romantic waterfall engagement turned into a champagne ambush, sister betrayal, and a bridal shop break down. From body-shaming comments to financial manipulation, this submission spirals fast, but thankfully, so do the boundaries.
This week, The Cliffnotes Gal joins Christa to break down family control tactics, engagement sabotage, and what happens when your own sister crosses the line. Known for turning viral chaos into sharp, fast recaps, she brings her no-nonsense perspective on authenticity, trauma boundaries, and staying real online.
Listen in for green-flag fiancé moments, hard truths about toxic parents, and the reminder that protecting your peace isn’t dramatic, it’s necessary.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Engagement Hijacked – What should’ve been a private waterfall proposal quickly turned into a champagne ambush with mom and her friends cheering from the sidelines.
- Passed Out at Her Own Wedding – A diabetic low mid-vows left The Cliffnotes Gal with a blackout ceremony, a brain fog reception
- Blessing Revoked – Dad agrees to the engagement, until he doesn’t… and suddenly claims he never gave his approval.
- The Boundary Reset – When money, guilt, and ultimatums escalate, the only option left might be choosing peace over family pressure.
- “If They Don’t Know Your Birthday…” – The Cliffnotes Gal’s rule of thumb for wedding guest lists: no birthday knowledge, no invite.
- Sister Seduction Scandal – Two weeks after the engagement, the bride’s own sister begins telling the fiancé she’s the “better option.”
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “Perfection. This is so fake. It is so fake.” -The Cliffnotes Gal
- “Perfection doesn’t happen. That’s the thing.” -The Cliffnotes Gal
- “If it’s not positive and bringing you joy, then why have it?” -The Cliffnotes Gal
- “They haven’t proven that they’re worthy enough to be there.” –The Cliffnotes Gal
- “If they don’t know your birthday, they don’t need to be there.” –The Cliffnotes Gal
- “I think it’s like we wanna continually give chances, especially for family or people we’ve known for a long time.” -Christa Innis
- “You need to be firm with your boundaries now.” -Christa Innis
- “That’s why people stay in like toxic family relationships for so long because they’re like, well, it is family…But no one deserves to be treated that way” -Christa Innis
- “They want real people with real content.” -Christa Innis
- “Blood is thicker than water… I think they’re using that as a manipulative tactic.” -Christa Innis
*This conversation is for entertainment and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Please seek a licensed professional for your specific situation.
About The Cliffnotes Gal
The Cliffnotes Gal is the internet’s trusted shortcut through chaos. This viral storyteller transforms long, winding TikTok sagas into one-minute recaps.
She built a platform by saying what everyone else took 15 minutes to say, in just a minute or two. With 20 million views on TikTok, and a notebook full of handwritten recaps, she shortens the noise without losing the nuance. Her approach to content is rooted in respect: for the storyteller, for the audience, and for herself.
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Christa Innis: Hi, welcome to the podcast. Hello. Thanks for coming on. So you are the Cliffnotes Gal, and I know many people know of you as a Cliffnotes Gal, but kind of to get started, how, how, like who are you and how did you get into summarizing these long stories? I remember the first, well, and I can talk about it later, but the first time I saw you, it was just like, this is saving me so much time.
You cover all these amazing, um, stories into a quick little summary. So I know that wasn’t
Cliffnotes Gal: so
Christa Innis: long way
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah. Showing my age here, but it’s happened during COVID, I did the typical, like I needed a break from being bored in the house, which when I say that I think of that song off the top of my head. I’m bored in the house and I’m bored in the house.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Um. I would take 20 minutes every day as my lunch break. I would go learn a new dance and I would do it and I would record it. And one of the days I decided I didn’t wanna learn a new dance, I was just gonna scroll and find stories. And I don’t remember what the story was about, but there was this long drawn out story that I watched for probably, I think I watched probably 10 videos.
’cause that’s back when like videos had to be shorter on TikTok. And by the time I got to the end, I was like, I just wasted like 15 minutes of my lunch break when this person could have said it in a minute.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Cliffnotes Gal: And I was so annoyed. And so I stitched one of the parts and just said. This is what the story was about here.
It’s over in a, here’s the whole story in less than a minute. And I spoke really, really fast. Um, and it blew up. I mean, blew up millions of views when all of my videos were just like me doing dance trends. Um, ’cause I am a dancer as well. I’ve, I, I did ballet, I did Point and Lyrical for 14 years. Um, I do hip hop now and love to dance.
But yeah, it blew up. And then I didn’t know what to have as my name at that point. It was called something else, Southern something, I think. And uh, I was like, y’all, what do I call myself? And I still have the screenshot during COVID of someone saying, well, you’re doing the cliff notes. And since you’re like Southern Gal something.
You should just be the Cliffnotes Gal. And I have yet to repost that clip and I need to, ’cause I have the screenshot telling that person, like, thank you so much. Um, so I became the Cliffnotes Gal and so showing my age, some people don’t know what Cliffnotes are, um, really teenagers today, they see her and they have no idea who the Cliff notes or what the Cliff notes is.
Um, so for anybody watching this, back in the day when I was in high school, in college, if there was a book that you had to read and you had a test coming up on it, you wanted to get the shorter version of it so you didn’t have to read the 500 pages. So there was this yellow and black book that existed for every book out there called Cliff’s Notes.
’cause his name was Cliff I think. And it was Cliff’s Notes. And that shortened the story. And so you were able to read the Cliff’s Notes to get the shorter version of the book and then go take the test on it.
Christa Innis: Oh my.
Cliffnotes Gal: So I do the shorter versions of TikTok stories.
Christa Innis: So I just learned something from you because I, I remember Cliff, cliff notes.
Is it Cliff’s Notes or Cliff? Cliff Notes Cliffs. I dunno. Cliff.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah, it’s Cliffs.
Christa Innis: Cliff’s Notes. Okay. But I remember as a website in high
Cliffnotes Gal: school. Oh was it? Yeah. Oh my gosh.
Christa Innis: Actual show. I don’t, that
Cliffnotes Gal: even shows my age even more.
Christa Innis: I was like, I don’t remember an actual book, but maybe I’m like, I don’t know if thinking of the wrong thing.
’cause I do remember people using Cliff’s notes for books in high school.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah.
Christa Innis: And I don’t know, I, I’m sure I did. I don’t really remember. I just remember hearing about Cliffs Notes and, yeah. That’s wild. But I was talking about it to someone recently, how like, I remember doing like book reports and like middle school and high school and having to actually like pull out like.
All the encyclopedias and reference it. And I’m like, kids these days they can just Google or whatever they, gosh. Using, using ai. It’s like all their stuff and I’m like, are they even learning? I don’t even know. Like what?
Cliffnotes Gal: And there, there was something else that came out after Cliff’s Notes. I think it was called SparkNotes.
Christa Innis: SparkNotes, yes.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yes. That’s SparkNotes came out after. But back when Cliff’s Notes existed for me, it was a physical book that you went to the bookstore. It was yellow and black and you went and bought it and it was a paperback
Christa Innis: Wild.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah. Golly. I feel old.
Christa Innis: No, honestly, like it probably was around for me. I just don’t really remember.
I just remember, I remember SparkNotes now that you say that, but
Cliffnotes Gal: Well, if you remember SparkNotes then you definitely weren’t around for the paperback version of Cliff’s Notes. Because I never used SparkNotes because that was way after I graduated high or college.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. That’s so funny. Yeah. That’s so funny.
’cause people are probably like that younger generation. They’re like, oh, cliff Snow. That’s so clever. She came up with, well it’s funny ’cause one of, one of my skits that I did, so I like, will come up with character names from movies that I grew up watching or like shows I watch. ’cause it helps me remember like, oh, the mom’s so and so dad so and so because I call them by the wrong name.
People would call me on, they’d be like, no, the sister was Ashley, not Anna, or whatever. And so one day I did, um, characters from Ferris Beeler’s Day Off. I just like, it was a movie I grew up watching all the time. And so I just like grabbed like Ferris and Sloan and like, I ended up changing the names later ’cause it was like I turned into a book and I was like, I don’t want the same names.
Anyway, so I made a vid a video talking about how like, yeah, these names came from this movie and all these people were like, what’s that movie? And I was like. How old are you? This is like a staple in my house growing up.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yes.
Christa Innis: So it was just kind of funny. I was like, oh, I just assumed everyone knew that movie, but
Cliffnotes Gal: yeah.
Christa Innis: Wrong on me.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah. Uh, I grew up with like, I loved the Breakfast Club. Um, I loved Dirty Dancing, but they think Dirty Dancing is that rough remake that came out that
Christa Innis: I’ve not even seen that one. I refuse to
Cliffnotes Gal: Don’t waste your Time.
Christa Innis: Some that are remake, I’m just like, no, no, thank you. If they ever, I don’t think they could remake Breakfast Club.
That’s just, that’s another classic. Love that.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah. I, I gave the second dirty dancing about 20 minutes of my time and I said, I’m good.
Christa Innis: Really?
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah. Yeah. It was rough. It was rough.
Christa Innis: Okay, so kind of back to your, your channel and everything like, so it kind of started, you said like unexpectedly, like, did you ever think you would become like a viral creator that like has this big platform or.
Cliffnotes Gal: I had no intentions of that. And I’ll be honest with you, I still don’t feel like I am. Um, I’m in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and so Louisiana is a small state. Uh, it’s funny when I’m in parades, uh, like I ride in the St. Patrick’s Day parade every year, and it never fails. Every time I’m on a float, like people are screaming from the street, like the Cliff Notes gal to throw beads to them.
Um, but it’s hard to, I’m just, and so many people say this and it pisses me off when they say it because like when they say, I’m just an everyday person, uh, I, I really am and I try to be my page. I try and stay like me to the core. So I will tell stories. In my pajamas. I will tell stories with rough ass hairdos.
I don’t wear makeup hardly ever. Um, I don’t really wear makeup much anyway. The only thing that you’ll normally see on me is earrings and a necklace because I love jewelry. Mm-hmm. Um, but I try and stay as real as possible because there are so many people that I used to follow and I’m so happy for them that their pages have grown.
Like that’s awesome for them. But I have slowly watched them change. Mm-hmm. And I don’t want to become that. I want to still be the person when I did my first Cliff notes. And I hope that my viewers still see that by comments. It sounds like they still do. I try and stay respectful with the stories that I do.
Um, but at the same time, it’s uh, it’s weird having a platform because. I do wanna make sure that every so often a video that I do, I feel like I’m making a difference. I don’t, it’s a little draining to continue constantly doing things that are like just stupid ass drama. Mm-hmm. Um, or things that are really, really, really intense and can affect people.
Mm-hmm. It can be extremely draining because some of these stories take a long time, and I have, I should have brought it with me. I have a notebook, um, that it is thick as hell and it’s my second notebook because I take so many notes watching these stories, and then I refer to the notes when I’m retelling them and try to memorize as much as I can.
Every so often I’ll have to use a teleprompter to remind me of notes that I need to discuss while I’m telling the story. But, um. It’s just weird. Like I still, I’m still a normal person. I’m still, I, I hope people see me that way. ’cause I don’t ever wanna come across as like fake as hell out there.
Christa Innis: Yeah. No, I totally understand what you’re saying though, because like you do see some accounts that automatically change to like, let me show off what I own.
Let me show you this. Yeah. And I, and I know you’re just saying like, I hate when people say that, but like, I, I’ve, there’s been this couple times where I’ve been out in my town and someone will be like, I, I love your videos like this. And they feel like really, like, uncomfortable, like, not uncomfortable, but they’re like, almost like celebrity.
Like, they’ll be like, oh, can I get a pic? Like, I love your videos. You’re my, I’m your biggest fan. I’m like, I’m a normal, like I’m swear to God. Yeah. I’m very normal. I have a toddler running around half the time, half the time I’m like wearing pajamas at home. Like I am very. Weird mother. Just, I don’t know, like, I’m just me.
Cliffnotes Gal: That’s awesome though. Like, stay that way. I was, so, my husband and I, um, every year we go to a small town in Louisiana. It’s called Minden, Louisiana. When I tell you it is the epitome of a, um, a hallmark town. So it is the type of town to where it’s, the downtown is like two main streets, but you’ve got like the cute little coffee shop where they, they roast their own beans and you’ve got like a couple of restaurants and you’ve got a couple of shops, but it’s like mm-hmm.
True Hallmark Town. Well, we were down there for Christmas and I went into one of the clothing shops, which is like a, it’s like a thrift shop. It’s called Purvey. It’s owned by a woman named Sarah, who is from Menen, I believe,] born, raised. And her mission is to, um, take like dilapidated, dilapidated, dated whatever homes and buildings and like bring them back to like life.
And she’s done an amazing job. And so we went down there, we stayed in one of her cottages that was absolutely gorgeous. It inspired my background. The room that we stayed in at her cottage had this beautiful floral background, so that’s the reason why I got this. Um, but anyway, we went to Purvey. We were shopping in there and I was looking at the record, uh, collection that they had, and this woman tapped me and she was like, are you, are you the Cliff Notes gal?
And I was like, I am. And so we chatted for a few minutes. And then they went to go, she went to go leave and she was like, it’s so nice to meet you. I was like, it’s awesome to meet you too. Like, I hope y’all have a Merry Christmas. And then her husband is like, well wait, babe, don’t you wanna get a picture with her?
And she was like, no, no, no. I don’t wanna ask her for that. I don’t wanna ask her. It’s like, no, we can totally, like, we can take a picture. So I could tell like she wanted to, but so I’m so glad that her husband said something because I tell people they, the people will leave stuff in the comments like, oh my gosh, I saw you at such and such in town.
And I’m like, y’all come say hello. Um. Don’t, like, don’t come attack me, but like, come say hello like I am, we’re from the south. Like I am so happy to say hello. And I mean, I’ve had people that, like, we’ve been out to dinner at a restaurant and they have been so absolutely polite. It was another young couple that came up to us while I was at the table and they were super polite.
I think that there is, there is a polite way to address people and there is a non-police way. Yeah. Um, just be polite and, and I’m super happy to like say hello and chat and take pictures or whatever. Yeah, yeah. It’s fun.
Christa Innis: Yeah, no, definitely. I feel like, I feel like that’s like the beauty of like social media and storytelling is like the connection that you can make and like, um, like I’ve met so many amazing people and just like through doing this podcast, ’cause like I was just saying, I’m like, most of the time I’m with my husband and my daughter and we just do our own thing.
I work from home. So it’s like, this is a great way to like meet other people. ’cause like, I don’t, you know. Do all, I don’t know, I guess I don’t like, yeah, go to an off regular office and all that stuff. Um, but I love that, that’s, it’s cool the connections you can make of people, um, you know, all over and obviously you’re making an impact because people are, feel like they know you in some way to be able to like go up and like say hello.
So. That’s awesome.
Cliffnotes Gal: I appreciate it.
Christa Innis: Yeah. So when you, okay, so it kind of started off where you were like, these videos are taking so long, so I’m gonna make them shorter. Right. So how do you now select which videos to do and how do you know they’re gonna be worth your while? Or do you watch some and you’re like, I don’t even know if it’s worth it, or do you get tagged in a lot of videos?
Like how do you select those?
Cliffnotes Gal: So I am super, super thankful to the followers because I wouldn’t find any of these stories if it weren’t for them. My entire FYP on TikTok is animals and sourdough bread. Uh, that’s about it. That’s about it. And so I’m typically not scrolling and seeing, I don’t see any of this stuff on my FYP, so I wake up in the mornings, kind of like what my routine is, is I’ll wake up in the mornings and I’ll scroll in the mornings before I start, like my actual real job.
And I’ll see how many tags I’ve got. Majority of the mornings, it’s about anywhere from a hundred to 200 tags. Most mornings if I wake up and there’s only a short few, I can typically scroll through and watch a few seconds of the tags to figure out which video I wanna do. If there’s a lot of them. I actually wait until that.
And I’ll have to scroll the hundreds of tags. Mm-hmm. If there is a certain video that I find I’m being tagged in more, that’s normally the one that I will settle on. Um, and then I just put in my headphones and I sit in bed and I write notes for however long it takes me to get through all the parts. I will do it in one night, so then it’s fresh.
I will then type out the notes that I want to talk about and then every day I film or record outside after I finish my day job. Um, I normally do it around like six or seven o’clock while the sun is still up and I give myself two takes. That is it, it again comes back to me like I try to be as real as possible.
So when IF up in a video, I talk over myself a lot and I mess up words. I don’t go back and rerecord ’cause I ain’t got time for that.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I love that you do.
Cliffnotes Gal: I’m a mom as well, so if IF up on it, you’re gonna see me f up on it.
Staying Real in a Filtered World
Christa Innis: Yes. I need to get better at that. That’s, I love that you do that because like, uh, it’s like, I don’t know if it’s like from working in social media marketing, I’m like, I’m always like overthinking how I sound.
Plus like, people are so like critical in comments sometimes that I’m like, oh, did I pronounce that word wrong? Or whatever. But like, I think people love to see real like that. Like, um, I was talking to someone re recently and I’m like, people don’t like the over performance anymore. They’re so turned off by it.
They want real people with real content
Cliffnotes Gal: Perfection. This is so fake. It is so fake. Um, again, I don’t need to have perfect hair. I don’t have some, some videos. If you go and scroll back on my videos, you will see I didn’t even brush my hair. Literally didn’t brush my hair. I threw it in a ponytail because the notes were like fresh in my brain and I was like, I’m just gonna go hurry up and record it right now.
Um, but yeah, perfection is not, perfection doesn’t happen. That’s the thing.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Cliffnotes Gal: So I would highly encourage you, like, you don’t need to, you don’t need to fix it if you messed up on the word, so be it. If you like trampled over your words and messed up on ’em, still use it. I mean, I’d rather see someone being more real than having to cut something out because it wasn’t perfect.
Then you rerecorded it and you put it back in there. But then I can tell it’s a cut because you went to the next part.
Christa Innis: Right.
Cliffnotes Gal: It’s um, yeah, there’s too many people trying too hard. And the thing is, is the viewers can tell like they’re not stupid. Yeah. They can tell.
Christa Innis: Oh yeah. Yeah. And I think too, it’s like that, I feel like it was like pre TikTok, that like Instagram of like the perfect photos.
Oh gosh. Crisp and clean and editing them. And then people just realized like, most of us don’t have time for that shit. Like, no,
Cliffnotes Gal: no,
Christa Innis: we’re busy, we’re wanting to work, we’re taking care of kids, dogs, whatever, whatever it is. And it’s like, we don’t have time to like, make everything crisp and clean and um, it’s more relatable too.
I feel like, like when I see someone that’s just like jumped on their bed and they’re like, Hey, and they just start talking. I’m like, I’m so much more intrigued. I’m like, we’re friends hanging out.
Cliffnotes Gal: Like talk to me like we’re on FaceTime. Mm-hmm. And I’m gonna be more intrigued listening to your video than if you just sat there to just be a robot.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Cliffnotes Gal: And I find that like, some people are like that with. Brand deals, which I mean, shit. Oh, I don’t know if I can cuss on your podcast. Sorry. Oh, you’re fine. Yeah. Oh, okay. Uh, I’m like, get get the bag. Like definitely get the bag, but at the same time, don’t get the bag for something that you wouldn’t actually use.
Um, there are a lot of creators out there, and especially I find with like facial products or even like shampoos or conditioners or something, if you’re gonna review a product, can you, like, I need you to truly, truly use it. Like really, really, really use it. Don’t tell me you used it for two weeks and then it’s the most amazing thing that you used when for whatever product that is, you know damn well it would take a good like three to six months of you using that product to see it like in action.
Christa Innis: Yes, because too, I find that when people are so inauthentic, then it makes people that are authentic, like harder to. Come across. I dunno if that makes the sense. Right, makes sense. I
Cliffnotes Gal: totally understand what you’re saying. Yes,
Christa Innis: because I’ve had people I remember. I like, I’m very selective and I remember, um, this brand that I actually used in my own wedding, birdie Gray.
Not obviously not sponsor, I’m just like saying like, they, I use ’em in my own wedding. I’ve worn ’em for many bridesmaids dresses. And I was stoked when they like, actually wanted to work with me. ’cause I was like, I’ve used this, I’ve worn their dresses like three or four times now. And there were comments like, oh my gosh, another ad.
And I’m like, no. Like legitimately I love them. And meanwhile, like I was like, I, I say no to like, like someone asked about like a dog product. I’m, I don’t even have a dog, so I’m not, why would I do that? Or like, there, I’ve never heard of this brand before. Why am I gonna say yes to that? Um, and I think it makes people then untrustworthy because they’re like, oh, well I saw this girl talk about this product.
I know she doesn’t use. So it’s,
Cliffnotes Gal: yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Cliffnotes Gal: My, my people receive emails all the time for brands and they’ll forward them to me, and I’m like, why? Why do they feel like the Cliff Notes gal would be good to promote a treadmill? Like, what did you get from my page that talks Fitness? Nothing like, yes. Nothing at all.
And then I had one the other day for like a weight loss app, and I was like, when have I ever spoken? Like, you don’t know my page clearly. You don’t know my page. You saw the number of followers and you thought, Hey, let’s see if she’ll do something.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Cliffnotes Gal: Not gonna work.
Christa Innis: That was like, I remember I used to watch Bachelorette years ago.
I haven’t watched in many, many years, but I remember as soon as The Bachelorette or whatever would get off. Their season, they’d do like the waist trimmer and this, and I’m like, I know you did not wear a waist trimmer before getting on at this. I just know you didn’t. Yeah. And they’d talk about the tummy teas and all this.
Oh, I always drink my tummy tea. And I’m like, did you really? And it was just so inauthentic because they immediately got off the show and they have all these deals for these things. And I’m like, these are all about weight loss and working out and all this. And I’m just like, I, I don’t buy it.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah. I’m like, and I love, I love that like, they have these opportunities to make money.
I really do. Because I mean, at the end of the day, them doing what they’re doing, it’s a job. Um, they are out there to make some money. But I think that there’s a, there’s a line that, that you have to choose if you wanna cross. And a lot of people do cross it. I’m not one of those, um, people consistently ask me about my, about face stuff.
And I have told them I have used the same products. I’ve never switched since before. No, I think it was around COVID. Um, fetish is all I use and it’s, it was started by someone, her name’s Jenna. She was a, a DJ on a really, really popular show called Kid Crowd. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of Kid Crowd in the Morning.
It’s a syndicated radio show. It was when radio shows were extremely, extremely popular, like the morning shows. And I would listen every single day. And I started listening to that show when I was probably like 10 years old. Well, she realized that there was a miss in, I guess facial world, makeup industry, whatever you wanna say.
Not makeup, but, um, rosacea and like, uh, all of that stuff was happening. Redness in the skin and acne, all of that. And she realized there was a miss for facial products with, um, like hemp in them, or not. THC what’s the other thing? CB. C, BD, thank you. There was a miss in the, in, in the area there, there wasn’t anything with CB, D in it.
And so I had always had really bad rosacea on my face, and I liked the radio show, so I was like, you know what, let me try it. And so she was kind of doing both things, kicking off the company and then doing the radio show. And so I bought just the lotion and I was like, let me see what this does, girl, when I tell you within like a week I was not having any redness on my face anymore.
It just took a week. And so from there, every single time this woman comes out with something new, I, I buy it right off the bat. So like if I, I’ve done a video before, like if I show off my entire fetish skin line, it is, it’s everything. It’s lotions and soaps and serums and, and like. Everything. So again, like anyone reaching out to me to promote like makeup or facial stuff, I’m like, no, because I know what works and I’m an actual customer and can show proof of the thousands of dollars I’ve probably spent with them over the years.
Um, and again, like if you’re gonna tell me a lotion works, you are gonna say, you got it from the TikTok shop two weeks ago. Like, that’s bullshit. That’s, you can’t tell me it works in two weeks.
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh my gosh, that’s so funny. Yeah, I know. I, yeah, I was saying too, like with working and, and marketing too, I think I can like kind of read between the lines with little people.
My, my husband gets like pulled into marketing things sometimes. He’ll be like, oh, well it’s half off. And I’m like, what was the price last week? You know, like, I’m like, I can see that kind of stuff. It’s, it’s kind of funny to notice that. Um,
Cliffnotes Gal: yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I kinda, I kind love when it, if you’re able to like, with this growth, like stay like true to you and like.
Share these stories. I feel like it’s, it is obviously like making an impact and feel liking. ’cause like I said, the first time I came across your page I was like, oh, this is saving me so much time because like, I don’t have time to sit and watch these like, long things. But, but then if you like miss out on some of the drama, you’re like, that’s what everybody’s talking about.
So what’s what’s going on in the TikTok world? Yeah. Is there anything like going on right now that’s like, that’s popping into your head? I’m trying to think if there’s like a current TikTok drama
Cliffnotes Gal: that’s, oh gosh. Um,
Christa Innis: spot. I just was
Stories She Refuses to Tell
Cliffnotes Gal: like, the most recent video that I did, I think was about a girl who went and tried on a dress at a boutique for a prom dress.
Um, but she actually only came out with her story time because another person posted a video recording because they overheard what was going on in the dressing room next to them. And so, oh, they pressed record recording the conversation in the dressing room next to them. And it was allegedly, it was the owner of the store, kind of like belittling a 17-year-old girl who was trying on a dress.
It was a couture dress, and the owner was telling her, you are too big for it. I don’t want you chew to put it on and ruin my dress. And so that recording came out and that was out for quite a few days. And I guess the girl finally was like, well, I guess I need to say like, Hey, this was me. And now a ton of stuff has come about with this owner.
There was an, I just saw, I was tagged in another story time before you and I got on this podcast. Um, I’m tagged in another story time about the same store. And this is another girl. This is a woman telling a story. Now I think she said she was 35. She had the exact same type of issue at that store and dealt with the owner.
So I haven’t watched her video the full way through, but, um, I get, I get a wide variety of tags from. Stories like that to break up drama to really, really intense things that are triggering. Um, and I’ve, I’ve told people plenty of times and I appreciate the tags, but there are stories that I just will not shorten ones that I feel like are extremely traumatic to the person telling the story.
There was one I was tagged in recently about a woman who was pregnant and I think like her husband tried to like her, um, and his girlfriend was trying to help on a live her. And I was like, whoa,
Christa Innis: gosh.
Cliffnotes Gal: Like I wanted to be like, why are you even tagging me in this? And so I responded to the tag and I was like, this is extremely traumatic for the person who posted this.
I will not be doing this story.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Cliffnotes Gal: Um, and I let people know that like, if it is a, a really truly traumatic story for someone, please don’t tag me in it because like. I’m not taking that story from them. They’re probably using this story time as a way of healing for themselves. Yeah. Like I’m not taking that, um, I also will not do, and typically don’t do stories that deal with sa.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Cliffnotes Gal: Um, because I’m a survivor myself and I’m a childhood SA survivor, so I had a lot, I had some traumatic things happen to me when I was 12 and 13 years old, but of course it’s still like very much real. Mm-hmm. And it’s affect, it affects me. And so anytime there is a story that deals with SA or physical abuse, um, domestic violence, I typically will not do those either.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Cliffnotes Gal: Um, so yeah. Yeah. I try and focus on the ones that are more lighthearted and sometimes I get tagged on stories. People want me to shorten their own stories ’cause they’re like, look. I’ve got five videos out here. It’s not being pushed out. I really wanna get my story out, but I’m not good at telling a story.
And they actually ask me to do Cliffnotes for their stories. Wow. And so when that happens, I try and do that, and then I try and stay respectful. TikTok has this thing called duets and stitches.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Cliffnotes Gal: If their duets or stitches are on, I’m under the assumption that they’re okay with this video being shared or being talked about, or whatever the case.
And so those are stories. If I’m tagged in them and I’m interested in doing it, if their duets or stitches are on, I will normally, I will consider doing that story. If they are off, then I will comment on the person who tagged me, and I will tell them that I’m not doing it because their duets and stitches are off.
So I make sure I have a pinned video on my page that says like, I will only do ones with duets and stitches on. Um, because there are a lot of pages out there that are gossip pages. They could give two shits about if your duets and stitches are on. Um, when you put a video out there, it’s out there.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Cliffnotes Gal: Uh,
Christa Innis: well it’s, it’s wild how like, quickly things travel to, or how quickly things might go viral. Like I’ll notice something. I’m trying to think of what I’ve seen. Like, I mean, the different accounts I follow where maybe someone was really rude at a store. Mm-hmm. And before you know what that person’s face is everywhere that Karen or whatever you wanna call him, and I’m like, oh my gosh.
Like the same day you’ll see ’em on like five accounts and I’m like, they take their video down, but I’m like, Ooh, it’s it, you’re, you put out into the abyss. It’s everywhere now. Um. So it’s, it’s wild how something will get picked up and it’s just like, that was the thing. I mean, it just got on the right person’s FYP or whatever, and they just shared it or someone saw it and they’re like, I need to talk about this.
Yeah. Um, yeah. ’cause that’s, that’s the power of social media I guess.
Cliffnotes Gal: It really is. And I mean, these apps are global, so it might not kick off in the us. Like I have followers that tag me from other countries and it’s crazy because sometimes there’s a really extremely viral video in Canada and all of the tags are from Canadians.
Wow. Like in Canada. And so when I do this, when I’ll do whatever story. Um, then it comes back and people are commenting the US like, this hasn’t been on my FYP. I’m like, well, because it’s in Canada, but it’s still a good story. Like
Christa Innis: Yeah, I know. It’s wild how like, um, like I had Lucette who’s on my podcast and she lives in, she’s in Australia.
And as soon as I had her, then I started getting some more like Australia like videos from Australia on my feed. But it’s like, until then I was like, not, and now I’m like, oh, now I’m kind of in here a little bit. ’cause it kind of sees me like commenting on her stuff. I don’t know what it is.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Um, but yeah, it’s like, you don’t, you don’t necessarily think about that.
But that’s, that’s one of the reasons too, like, I don’t put my child on social media at all. ’cause I’m like, I don’t ever want someone to take her face or, you know, especially, she’s so little and I’m like, she can’t consent to it. And just people don’t think I, when they put their kids on social media, how quickly someone can grab that.
Like, they might be like, oh, this is such a cute moment, post it. Someone can take that and be like, this is weird that this happened. Or look at this in the background. And then their, their kid is everywhere then.
Cliffnotes Gal: My kid is uh, not in my videos. And if he is, it is completely his decision and I do not allow his face to be seen.
So if you ever see him in a video, he is so far in the background that his face is a blur, but he’s back there in the background doing something funny that he has decided to come up with, um, or he’s in a mask. So yeah, his face has never been on my social media. It never will. Even when he is not a minor, it still won’t be, but anytime he is in one, it is because he wants to be.
And he has asked me to be, and he just likes being a little silly goofball in the background. And my husband has done a couple with him as well. Like I remember I did one, I think it was a few months ago, and I was in the backyard of course, telling the story like I normally am. And they’re both in the background sword fighting, I think.
And so my son had a sword, but my husband, I think was using like a broom. And then he fake stabbed him and my son like fell to the ground and then stayed dead the rest of the video. And, and so commenters are, are just like, did anyone see the sword fight back there? Like,
Christa Innis: well, I love that because actually I think one of my first videos I saw you, he was in the background with the mask because I was like, what’s happening here?
And then looking at the comments and everyone’s like, what’s going on? Um, but that’s like the same with like, get ready with me videos when people are telling a story. People love watching and listening and I feel like there’s some kind of like correspondence with like, I don’t know, maybe some kind of fancy word for like a study of like, people love being able to like see and listen at the same time.
And so if there’s something going on, I feel like it, like it grabs their attention too.
Cliffnotes Gal: So I don’t have ADD or ADHD, but I have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of comments from people saying that them either seeing. Gurkin catching the ball or seeing my son in the background playing that it helps them focus more.
They all say they have ADD brain. And being able to see Gurkin catching a ball while listening to me actually helps them. And it’s one of the reasons why they can’t listen to the story times is because it’s someone just looking at a camera telling the story for 30 minutes. So when they can get like a small recap of it and there’s also something going on in the background, they’re able to absorb the information better.
Christa Innis: I love that, that makes so much sense. I’m not diagnosed, but I’m pretty sure I’ve got one, one of those. My,
Cliffnotes Gal: I would never be able to watch a dog catching a ball and focus on a story because I would just wanna keep watching the dog. Uh, so I, I can’t understand that, but
Christa Innis: oh, I’m like, I, if there’s two things going on, I’ll like then go back and be like, wait, what did she do with her makeup there?
What would she, with her eyes there? Or, I’ll kind of go back, but like, yeah, I, I think that’s probably why I started doing skits because like I’m like, I need to tell these stories in like an interesting different kind of storytelling way, but yeah, stories nonetheless. Okay, so I know before we get to our main story, I know you said you have a wedding related story that happened at your own wedding.
So do you wanna talk
She Passed Out at Her Own Wedding!
Cliffnotes Gal: Oh, yes. So, uh, this year I will be married 19 years to my husband.
Christa Innis: Awesome.
Cliffnotes Gal: Um, he and I got married, yeah. A long time ago, but, so I’m a diabetic and, uh, we got married at the worst time ever in the state of Louisiana. We got married in the summertime in June with an outdoor wedding. Oh my God.
Uh, I don’t recommend to anybody to do that. Uh, I ate well before the wedding to like manage my sugar levels, so that was great. But while we were up there saying our vows, we were holding hands and I looked down at our hands and realized that like our four hands turned into like 20, and I was seeing like quadruple of everything.
Christa Innis: Oh.
Cliffnotes Gal: And so I looked up as my, as our pastor was talking, like marrying us literally. And I looked up at him and I went, I think I’m about to pass out. That was all that I remembered. Oh. So I know what happens because it’s on video. Um, but I did, so I pass out and, um, I remember my maid of honor who is still my absolute best friend today, uh, in the video, it shows her telling someone like, you need, oh, telling my husband, like, you need to, you need to pick her up and walk off with her.
Like, she’s passed out. ’cause he was just frozen, like,
Christa Innis: what happened?
Cliffnotes Gal: And so because like he caught me, like I just, I fell and he caught me and is just holding me. And so my friend Lauren’s like, you need to go with her. Like, get her out of here. And so it’s, it’s all on video. He carries me out and I think brings me to the bridal suite where we were getting married.
And I, and they woke me up somehow, but my sugar level had dropped like. Really, really, really low. That mixed with like the heat and being nervous and all of that. So they got me some food and, uh, all of that. And then, um, everything else was a blur that night. Like I do not remember my first dance with my husband.
Um, I don’t remember. I definitely don’t remember saying my vows. Uh, I do remember signing the actual marriage certificate itself, but I joke with my husband, I’m like, babe, we’re gonna have to renew our vows like at 20 years because I don’t remember saying them to you. And so I would, I would like to remember saying my vows to you, but yeah.
So yeah, we
Christa Innis: hold you over.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah. I had the typical like, pass out at your wedding story.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. That’s one I have not heard. I love that you guys have it on video and you’re like, well, let’s watch our video this year.
Cliffnotes Gal: And it’s on VHS. So now I actually, I don’t even own a tape player, so I wouldn’t, I need to, I need to do that little thing where you can have it sent in and turned into like a DVD or something.
Christa Innis: Yeah,
Cliffnotes Gal: yeah, yeah.
Christa Innis: Kids watch it. Um, that’s, oh my gosh, that’s wild. So like, so even after your blood sugar went up, then you were still just kind of like in a daze the rest of the day.
Cliffnotes Gal: Oh yeah. Yeah. And anyone who’s a diabetic would understand, like, you’re just so, it’s like it’s brain fog. And so I, I’m almo like I know I danced, I just don’t remember it.
Um,
Christa Innis: oh my gosh.
Cliffnotes Gal: And I remember sitting down and eating some food at like our table for the wedding party, but, oh, and I do, I remember this as well when we left. So we had a limo bring us to New Orleans because we were gonna fly out the next day to go to Mexico for our honeymoon. Um, and. I had a, like pulsating migraine because again, a diabetic will understand, like when you go extremely low and you have to get your sugar levels back up, you just don’t feel good.
It takes, it takes a while for you to be able to just feel good. And I had this horrible, horrible migraine and so we had the limo get off the interstate and pull into this like shady ass gas station and pulls up. Uh, there were not a lot of lights on at this gas station. My husband gets out in his tucks and goes in and buys like one of the gas station packs of Excedrin Migraine for me, and then comes back into the limo and gives it to me.
And I slept the whole way to New Orleans in the limo.
Christa Innis: Oh.
Cliffnotes Gal: Uh, and then by the time we got to the hotel, I felt better, but yeah, I literally slept the whole way to New Orleans, which is about like a 50 minute drive.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. So how was your honeymoon? Where like, did you feel
Cliffnotes Gal: better? It was good. I remember that.
Christa Innis: Oh, good. Okay. Well, there you go.
Cliffnotes Gal: It was good. It was fun. Yeah. It was the typical, like all inclusive. Like we couldn’t afford a lot back, back then. Like we were in very, very different, uh, different lives back then, but we, we did what we could and had so much fun. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I love that. I love the all inclusive route.
That just makes it easier too, for planning and budget. We did that too. It was
Cliffnotes Gal: so easy. Yeah. I tell, I tell everyone, I’m like, I wish we would’ve just eloped the amount of money that my mom who raised me as a single mom, uh, that she had to spend. And we tried. We stayed under budget, like extremely under budget, but I still, I was like, to this day, I think back, I’m like, I wish I would’ve just told her.
Don’t even worry about it.
Christa Innis: Aw. I know. I feel like it’s like, I feel like as the older I get too, like people like looking back, like their, your circle kind of gets smaller and you’re also just like, maybe I just like, it’d be easier. ’cause the people too that spend all this money on these big parties, I feel like a lot of times it’s because like families wanna be a part of it or, you know, and then a lot of these stories as you’ll, you might see in this one, but like, then it just creates drama in a lot of these, a lot of these families.
Yeah. And I, I always say like, my husband and I got married in our early thirties, but we’d been together since like our early twenties. And I was like, if we’d gotten married in our twenties, I think it’d been such a way, like we would’ve not had, we would’ve had way less, less money. But I feel like we would’ve tried to have a bigger par, you know, a bigger party.
Yeah. And invite more people. So I feel like we were able to like, okay, these are more important people to us, but older
Cliffnotes Gal: and wiser.
Christa Innis: But I feel like if, again, if it was like 10 more years later, I think it would’ve been even smaller. I think you just kinda like realize like, okay, who’s been around a little bit longer and
Cliffnotes Gal: That’s right.
Christa Innis: Plus there’s been some amazing elopement stories I’ve heard where they go to like Paris or they go to, you know, somewhere cool and they, you spend the same amount or That’s right. Way less for a week trip or whatever.
Cliffnotes Gal: Then have some have like a little party in your backyard when you get back and that’s your reception.
Christa Innis: Yeah, exactly. Lots of, lots of options.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah.
The Engagement Story: The Family Dynamic Drama
Christa Innis: All right, so we don’t go over time. Let’s get into this week’s, uh, story submission. So these are stories that are sent to me from followers and I’ve not read it. So let’s get into it. Feel free to stop me at any time and we’ll react. Okay, here we go. My sister is a narcissist and honestly, my mother might be too.
To surprise me, my fiance messaged my mother to ask for my ring size and for my dad’s blessing. My mother went out and bought a ring herself and told him that my father was happy for him to move forward. Like a business exchange? No, like I don’t, we don’t want your input. We’ll just buy the ring.
Cliffnotes Gal: Oh, no.
Okay.
Christa Innis: Yikes. Two weeks later, we flew to Luxembourg to visit my parents at their holiday home. On the second day, my fiance asked my mom for the ring, so she knew he planned to propose that day. We told her we were going to the waterfall and would be back later. I had no idea what was coming. The moment he proposed, my mother suddenly showed up with her friends and my father all cheering.
The quiet romantic moment my fiance had planned was completely gone. That evening he told me to get ready for dinner, but before we could leave, my mother stopped us. She had already set up a surprise engagement party with her friends in champagne.
Cliffnotes Gal: Come on, mom.
Christa Innis: Like, why would you not even think to like talk to the fiance?
Cliffnotes Gal: That’s because mom only cares about the way that she looks to her friends.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh my gosh. She’s like calling her friends like, just wait. We’re gonna have the best party. Like a full blown argument broke out. But we ended up canceling our dinner plans and attending the party. So now it’s like, not even for you, it’s for your mom.
Right. After the guests left, we started talking about wedding locations. When I mentioned Hawaii, another fight erupted. They said they could never afford it. The night ended badly, and the next day we barely spoke. After two days of silence, we decided to travel with them to Belgium, where I grew up, to share the news with friends.
My brother and sister were happy at first, but within two weeks my sister started trying to seduce my fiance. What is this family? Okay, what?
Cliffnotes Gal: Okay, what’s up with the family now? Now I’m like,
Christa Innis: this is very odd. This is what, this is a
Cliffnotes Gal: real story.
Christa Innis: I tell you. Sometimes I read these stories and I’m like, this cannot be real.
Like,
Cliffnotes Gal: oh my gosh,
Christa Innis: some are just outrageous. But then I’ll post a story or like I’ll share, you know, story time. If people are like, this happened to me, this exact thing happened to me, and I’m like, I don’t think they’re as, I think they’re more common than we think. It’s wild. Um, telling him that she was the better option.
We ended up staying for a month. I’d be out of there a month still after that, a
Cliffnotes Gal: month. Do they not work?
Christa Innis: I, I know they’re doing all this traveling, but then the mom was mad that they wanted Hawaii. Not enough money
Cliffnotes Gal: for Hawaii.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh my gosh. Not enough. Because it wasn’t a place she selected as, as a wife, right?
Yes.
Cliffnotes Gal: Right.
Bridal Shop Body-Shaming
Christa Innis: We ended up staying for a month because my mother promised to pay for the wedding dress and booked appointments at bridal shops. I said, I didn’t wanna bring my sister, but I was manipulated into it with the whole, with the whole family as family. Guilt trip. Yikes. At the first stop, at the first shop, the saleswoman told me my body wasn’t made for fitted dresses.
My gosh. After trying on 10 dresses, I hated and hearing nonstop comments from my sister and mother about how I looked fat. Why I would not be including well either of
them.
Cliffnotes Gal: That’s just toxic. You don’t even, they shouldn’t even be in the wedding.
Christa Innis: No. Or
Cliffnotes Gal: at the wedding.
Christa Innis: This is definitely a story where, I mean, I don’t know what happens, but, or it’d be like, let’s just elope.
Right. Where do, where does your family wanna go? Let’s,
Cliffnotes Gal: like, I would hope that the husband is saying like, look babe, let’s just, let’s just go do this thing with just us.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yeah. The second someone starts making you feel bad, especially when it’s supposed to be like your day trying on dresses, feeling beautiful.
I’d be like, I’m done with this. Like, I’ll go with a friend or go by myself later,
Cliffnotes Gal: a hundred percent.
Christa Innis: Um, they were saying, or I showed too much skin or looked bad. I finally said I wanted to leave at the second shop. I found my dress within minutes and started crying. My father seemed completely unbothered and asked how I planned to pay for it.
I was confused and that’s when my mother said, they don’t have the 690 euro after. Yeah. That’s Euro after all. So they get her excited, say they’re gonna pay for the dress she finds when they’re like, oh, we don’t have the money for it. And I wonder, wow. In 690, I mean, I’m trying to think of like the calculation, but.
That doesn’t seem very expensive for a dress, 690 Euros, because I think it’s like,
Cliffnotes Gal: I don’t know what the conversion rate is right now. Um,
Christa Innis: I feel like it was pretty close, like when I was just in, I was in Spain a couple years ago and
Cliffnotes Gal: yeah, I mean, it seems like the price of like an average. I mean, I think my golly, my wedding dress back then was like $400, $500, something like that.
But man, this is just toxic.
Fiancé to the Rescue
Christa Innis: Yeah. Wild. Um, she says, I ran out of the, outta the shop crying and went to the cafe where my fiance was waiting. I told him everything without hesitation. He marched into the store, bought the dress without seeing it, booked us a hotel and said we’d figure out everything ourselves.
Cliffnotes Gal: Love
Christa Innis: it. Yay.
Cliffnotes Gal: Good husband.
Christa Innis: Good man,
Cliffnotes Gal: good husband.
Christa Innis: Two days later, we returned to my parents’ house and my mother exploded. She was angry that we bought the dress without telling her. Uh, and said it was unfair because they never had a big wedding. So she’s now kept trying to control it because they didn’t have the wedding they wanted or something.
Um, she also claimed my father never gave his blessing. My father agreed with her and said he could never trust anyone with his beloved daughter.
Cliffnotes Gal: Okay.
Christa Innis: A massive fight broke out and we ended up flying home. Once we were home, everyone was, everyone there was happy for us, but my heart was breaking because my own family didn’t accept us.
In January, my mom finally called and said she needed the wedding date and location so she could book time off or they wouldn’t come at all. My father is still refusing, wait, so this is happening right now? She said, my father,
Cliffnotes Gal: I was about to say like, this is now.
Christa Innis: Because sometimes people will like send a story and then they’ll be like, oh, that was 20 years ago.
We’re happily married. Yeah. So I wasn’t sure. But yeah, it says my father is still refusing to walk me down the aisle. If we have a wedding, we, if we have a wedding weekend, that’s the short version of part one. I’ll write a part two when you’re ready.
Cliffnotes Gal: Wait, I wanna know if the wedding happened yet.
Christa Innis: I know. I need to find out.
Cliffnotes Gal: And where are they located? Are they like in the us?
Christa Innis: I’m wondering if they’re in the US and then they traveled. They traveled to Belgium where they bought the dress.
Cliffnotes Gal: Damn. If old girl is like anywhere near me, within driving distance, she needs to invite me to the wedding and I will be there in a heartbeat.
And I’ll make sure her reception is a blast.
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh my gosh. That’d be so fun. We’re like, we’re coming here wedding.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yes. Yeah. I wanna know if it happened. Yeah. You need the part two.
Christa Innis: Yes. I know. I wasn’t expecting it for it to end like that. Um. I feel like, I like the way this is going, in the way that her boundaries have been really good.
Like her boundaries are firm. Her fiance’s backing her up. ’cause I feel like in a lot of these stories, we don’t hear about the fiance or how he’s like supporting his wife, whether it’s a mother-in-law or not. Um, and so I feel like it’s really good that she has him. And so I’m hoping like they stick firm on their boundaries and are either like, if the, and the mom’s calling like, okay, when’s the date?
This is their chance to be like,
Cliffnotes Gal: no,
Christa Innis: you know, we’re not gonna give you the date
Cliffnotes Gal: No.
Christa Innis: And do our own thing.
Cliffnotes Gal: No, this sounds like as much as it sucks like mom and dad, it doesn’t seem like it’s beneficial to have them in your adult life right now.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Cliffnotes Gal: Like, it does not seem like there is anything positive that is coming from that relationship.
And if there is not, like, and this is for friendships too, like if it’s not positive and bringing you joy, then why have it?
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Cliffnotes Gal: That’s why people write off their parents sometimes.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And anyone that’s like family is family or blood is thicker than water.
Cliffnotes Gal: No,
Christa Innis: I think they’re using that as like a manipulative tactic because mm-hmm.
Obviously they could tell that she’s like, this isn’t right, this isn’t how family should treat me. And so they’re gonna try to manipulate you. And that’s why people stay in like toxic family relationships for so long because they’re like, well, it is family. Okay. Like, but no one deserves to be treated that way.
Especially like when she’s so happy and,
Cliffnotes Gal: yeah. Yeah. I mean, it would be different if they’re like, look, we don’t want you getting married because like this man is horrible for you and does like horrible things, but it’s not sound like that’s the case, or at least we haven’t heard that. Um, I am so glad that he stepped up and did something though.
Because you hear stories. Yeah. Like all the time. But normally it’s like the. Spouse’s parent acts a certain way towards the bride.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Cliffnotes Gal: And the spouse never stands up for his bride.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Cliffnotes Gal: Um, so this is even more impressive that he’s standing up for her against his own in-laws or future in-laws.
Christa Innis: Yes. No, that’s such a good point.
’cause I would say like 75% of the stories I get where it’s like a bride and her mother-in-law, there’s no mention of the fiance in the story. Agree. So, like, when I like act ’em out as skits, I kind of just like will like, you know, put him in there. And sometimes, sometimes, but when I actually read the story, I’m like, guys, I don’t know where he’s at in this.
Like, it’s no mention like, mother-in-laws will corner the bride and they’ll all these things will happen. Um, and so my advice is to those brides is always, he needs to be the one to Yeah. To talk to the mom and address her. Yeah. Um, so yeah, the fact that he’s like creating a blockade to her own family, I think is really showing a healthy like boundary that they’re setting.
Cliffnotes Gal: Um, I agree
No Peace, No Plate
Christa Innis: agree. Yeah. What, what advice would you give her at this, at this point, about like, mom calling?
Cliffnotes Gal: Well, I don’t, I feel like I have to be limited on the advice to provide because I don’t know the rest of the story. Yeah. If it were me, which it, it’s hard and would take a lot of courage if that was my parents acting that way, I, they wouldn’t be going to the wedding.
Like, yeah, I don’t need that at my wedding at all. And I say this because a family member of mine who her spouse’s family was not super accepting of her, um, because she was not able to have children. Mm-hmm. And his family wanted him to have children of his own. And she already had two children from a prior marriage.
They treated her like absolute crap. And at their wedding. The best man was the groom’s brother, and he was supposed to like do the whole like, I think catch the garter or help take the garter off or whatever it is, like the groom takes the garter off. I don’t know if that’s a southern thing, but Yeah. Um, but the best man is there and then there’s like a dance with the best man.
Well, when the announcement came on for the DJ saying like, Hey, bride and best man, and then groom and maid of honor come out to the dance floor, best man stood her up, didn’t go on the dance floor to dance with her, and then they left. Um, why do you want people like that at your wedding? Now granted she didn’t know this was gonna happen at their wedding.
Like if she would’ve known that, she would’ve said like, I don’t want them coming. But like, that’s what you lead yourself to happen. You have someone toxic like that. If you break down and tell them, Hey, here’s the date they’re going to try and find a way to make that wedding about themselves. Because they’ve not proven otherwise.
So don’t even, don’t even have them there. That’s my advice. They don’t need to be there. They haven’t proven that they’re worthy enough to be there.
Christa Innis: Totally. I think it’s like we wanna continually give chances, especially for family or people we’ve known for a long time. But like the way she started out, the story was saying like, my mom’s a narcissist and I’m pretty sure my sister is too.
Or whatever order it was. Um, you know, you have that gut feeling like, mm-hmm ooh, someone’s gonna wreck my day. And you don’t wanna go into your wedding day. You wanna be go into your wedding day and be like, oh, my favorite people are here. I’m so excited. I’m a princess, or whatever. You know, your vibe is, but like, you know, that gut feeling like just in general of like, if you’re going somewhere where maybe you don’t get along with someone, or there’s drama that like feeling where like something’s gonna happen and you don’t want that on that day.
So I completely agree with you. It’s like you need to be firm with your boundaries now and. Maybe it’s a time to elope and take a fun trip with your fiance. That’s right. Don’t them hanging money over your head.
Cliffnotes Gal: People that use weddings and the attendees as like a business transaction. Oh, well they know my dad because they worked with him 20 years ago, so I need to invite them.
No, you don’t. No, you don’t. If they’re not in your life right now, do they know your date of birth?
Christa Innis: Right.
Cliffnotes Gal: If they don’t know your birthday, they don’t need to be there.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yes. Oh my gosh, yes. Like I, I feel so lucky that I didn’t have like parents come in and be like, here, here’s my coworkers. I wanna invited to the wedding.
Like they, I was like, you tell me your close friends that you wanted to come to the wedding, that’s totally fine. Um, but I hear stories where it’s literally like. Someone they met as a baby and Right. They’re like, haven’t seen ’em in the last 25 years. And their mom’s like, here invite Susan from 20 years ago.
And they’re like, I have no relationship with them. Mm-hmm. And then they’ll get mad because they’re like, well, why wouldn’t you let me invite my friends? But, um, yeah.
Cliffnotes Gal: Well, and then the threat comes out, oh, well I’m paying for the wedding, so.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Cliffnotes Gal: You need to invite them. I’m paying for it.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Cliffnotes Gal: Thanks for the threat.
Christa Innis: And that’s where I’m confused with these people too. ’cause it’s like, oh, they say we can’t afford Hawaii. So are they assuming that they’re supposed to pay for it? But now they’re saying they can’t pay for the dress, so they’re, they sound like they’re just gonna try to hold money over your head.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I’m wanna hear
Cliffnotes Gal: part two.
Wedding Confessions & Regrets
Christa Innis: Yeah. I’m gonna reach out to her and see if we can get a part two. All right. Um, I always like to end these with some confessions that people send me on Instagram. So let’s read these. These are, let’s see, what’s a decision you regret not speaking up about? Oh, um, this person says, my in-laws were inviting people behind our backs to our wedding.
They didn’t say anything. I, that’s hard. I, I had a etiquette expert on here a while back and I asked her like, what you do in that situation? And she’s like, it’s hard when someone’s already invited ’cause you don’t know, like, like what they were told and like how to contact them. And so that like adds a whole new layer of like complication.
’cause it’s like if you just show up on the wedding day,
Cliffnotes Gal: right? Like, I mean, again, weddings can happen in a totally different way now, but I’m used to like, you send the card in the mail, they RSVP and send it back. And that’s how you check off how many people are gonna be in attendance because you have to provide those numbers and you get charged per head.
I don’t know if that’s still the same case, but like, yeah. If people being invited behind the scenes and they’re not included in that headcount, don’t you pay more? Per head if they’re not in the original numbers.
Christa Innis: Prob yeah, probably. They’ll probably see it. There’s more people there and, um, yeah, I mean that’s pretty much all the same.
Like sometimes it’s more digital now, but other than that it’s, they’re still counting it the same way. And that tells me that there’s someone that hasn’t hosted an event before or been part of it to know like you can’t have extra people.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Um, this says inviting some people I wanted and went with a smaller venue instead.
Um, the, I’m talking about garter. The whole garter thing. I didn’t want it at all, but I kept getting told it was tradition.
Cliffnotes Gal: Uh huh. Yeah.
Christa Innis: I didn’t do it at my wedding. I was like,
Cliffnotes Gal: shit, that person must be from the south.
Christa Innis: I mean, they most what I feel like they do ’em out here, but like most weddings I’ve been to in recent times, I haven’t seen it.
Um, but I feel like it’s like maybe more, more religious weddings. I don’t know.
Cliffnotes Gal: Where are you at?
Christa Innis: I’m in Wisconsin.
Cliffnotes Gal: Okay. Do y’all do money dances as well? ’cause we do money dances.
Christa Innis: I’ve been to a couple weddings, but it’s not like very common.
Cliffnotes Gal: Okay, alright.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah. We do two different types of money dance, either, um, you have like a little sash as the bride and the money is put into the sash or you carry around a boot and Oh.
Money gets put into a boot.
Christa Innis: Okay.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I, yeah, I know there’s so many like, interesting traditions. I think the one time I saw the wedding dance was like maybe going on 10 years ago now. Okay. So yeah, it’s been a while.
Cliffnotes Gal: Hmm. Okay.
Christa Innis: Um, all right, I’ll do two more. Um, letting my dad bring his girlfriend who was his mistress because I feared he wouldn’t come.
He left early anyway. Oh, that’s one of those gut things, right? Like that’s you, you want it to work ’cause you want your dad there, but.
Cliffnotes Gal: But was your, your mom is still married to him, so he,
Christa Innis: that’s where I’m like, I don’t Yeah.
Cliffnotes Gal: Isn’t a mistress. You’re still married and your mistress is like, who you’re cheating on your wife with, right?
Christa Innis: Yeah. Unless she meet. Well, yeah. I’m guessing it could be like they’re now divorced, but that’s the one he cheated on. Which either way that’s awkward if your mom’s there.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah. That’s weird.
Christa Innis: I would be like, don’t come.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Um, let’s see. Not telling my brother to end his relationship earlier, love his ex, but they were not compatible.
Cliffnotes Gal: Okay.
Christa Innis: Because that’s not wedding related, but that’s, that’s just a regret. People are just confessing to me. All right. Well awesome. Well thank you so much for coming on. That was,
Cliffnotes Gal: yes, thank
Christa Innis: you. Glad story. Can you tell everyone where they can find your content, follow you for more, um, cliff notes and um, and learn more about you?
Anything fun you’re working on?
Cliffnotes Gal: Yeah, so you can find me on, um, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, which I don’t post a lot on there, but all of them, the handle is the Cliffnotes gal. And, um, I just ask followers, keep bringing me the stories, tag me in anything that you need shortened, and um, I’ll shorten ’em up for y’all.
Awesome. Well, thanks so much. Thank you!
Wedding Guest Lies, Toxic In-Laws & Mind Reader Magic - with Joe Diamond
My new book Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story is live!
These are the types of drama so layered, even a mind reader wouldn’t see them coming.
What started as a simple suggestion to shorten the mother-son dance spiraled into accusations of gold digging, manipulation, and a full-blown family boycott threat. When your fiancé works for the family business and his mom insists on private meetings to question the marriage, it’s no longer just wedding planning, it’s a power struggle.
This week, renowned mind reader and entertainer Joe Diamond joins Christa to unpack toxic dynamics, hierarchy games, and emotional manipulation. Drawing from more than two decades of performing at weddings and high-stakes events, Joe shares sharp insight on family power plays, setting boundaries, and why sometimes the boldest move might be a hard reset, or even eloping.
Listen in for bold advice, boundary talk, and the reminder that keeping the peace should never cost you your own.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- The Intuition Test That Shocked Christa – Joe reads Christa’s childhood crush initials over Zoom and leaves her speechless.
- The Mechanical Bull Disaster – Why outdoor events and bad planning can ruin even the best entertainment.
- The Wedding That Was Canceled Three Weeks Before – When the groom ran off with the bride’s best friend. Yes, really.
- Mother-Son Dance Meltdown – A simple suggestion to shorten dances triggers the first red flag.
- “She’s a Gold Digger” – When family wealth and insecurity collide before the wedding.
- The 13-Year-Old Ultimatum – One child invite turns into a family boycott threat.
- Hard Reset Advice – Joe suggests two bold moves: work for the family business… or elope.
- Hierarchy Games & Peacekeeping – Christa breaks down why keeping the peace can cost you everything.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “It’s not even about the 13-year-old. It’s about control.” -Christa Innis
- “If they can threaten not to come, you can threaten to elope.” -Christa Innis
- “I would not want someone who hates me planning something meant to celebrate me.” -Christa Innis
- “Keeping the peace shouldn’t cost you your own.” -Christa Innis
- “The second someone calls you a gold digger, credibility gone.” –Christa Innis
- “The bride and groom said no. That should be the end of it.” –Christa Innis
- “Boundaries aren’t disrespectful, they’re protective.” -Christa Innis
- “You don’t play their game. You surpass it.” -Christa Innis
- “The way relationships begin is typically the way they continue.” –Joe Diamond
- “You can’t just expect it’s going to be better one day.” –Joe Diamond
- “You’re trying to play chess and she’s the pigeon. You either learn the culture or reset the board.” -Joe Diamond
- “Don’t wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty — and the pig likes it.” -Joe Diamond
- “Mind reading is an art, not a science.” -Joe Diamond
- “The real star of the show is the audience.” -Joe Diamond
- “It’s not about being right. It’s about how you made people feel.” –Joe Diamond
*This conversation is for entertainment and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Please seek a licensed professional for your specific situation.
About Joe
Joe Diamond is known as The Midwest Mystic, America’s greatest mind reader and a world record-holding entertainer who transforms ordinary gatherings into unforgettable shared experiences. He creates modern mysteries for real audiences. And yes, he really does pull thoughts out of people’s minds.
Blending clean comedy, intuitive psychology, and interactive mind reading, Joe has spent over 20 years amazing audiences from intimate living rooms to 2,000-seat theaters. His philosophy is simple: the audience is the real star of the show.
No smoke machines. No special effects. Just connection, laughter, and the kind of mystery that leaves people asking, “How did he know?”
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Christa Innis: Hi Joe. Thanks for being here.
Joe Diamond: Thank you so much, Christa. Really appreciate it.
Christa Innis: I’m really excited ’cause as we were just saying before recording, this is just like a whole new angle that I’m really excited to explore on the podcast. Welcome. Um, so before we get into it, can you just tell everyone a little bit about yourself and what you do?
Joe Diamond: Yes. my name is Joe Diamond. I am in my late thirties. I like long walks on the beach. that’s a different podcast. Sorry. Yeah. Uh, but, uh, no, I, perform a weekly show at the Maxwell Mansion in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, called Psychic Parlor. it’s an evening of mind reading interaction. It’s in the ballroom, so it seats only 40 people.
And it’s kind of a throwback to the turn of the century parlor entertainment where people would gather in homes and they would hear everything from like, lectures, from anthropologists to demonstrations of spiritualists to, magicians, conjuring, and, telepathy. And my show is sort of a throwback to the more telepathy side.
I’ve been named and the.com was available at the Midwest Mystic. So if anyone wants to look it up. So basically what that means is instead of pulling like rabbits out of hats, I’m pulling like, thoughts out of people’s minds. Ooh. So during the show, I’ll have people think of like names of friends and friends, drinks.
They would order at the bar, stuff I couldn’t know be before, beforehand on social media. And we’re coming up on two years of weekly shows with, purely word of mouth. No, no advertising. I don’t have big billboards coming into town. It’s kind of this underground thing. Again, we can only, fit 40 people in their max, but every show’s been sold out every week for, at least the last year of shows.
I’m sure there’s two or three where we had a, few people who like. Didn’t show up or something like that. Right. I could look at the actual numbers, it’s been a really fun project. I’ve been doing shows in the Midwest and beyond my whole life. I do, of course, house parties, corporate events, a handful of weddings.
and so yeah, so as a professional entertainer, I’ve encountered, a lot of, interesting do’s and don’ts. Uh, I think when last I did the, uh, count, I was up to just shy of 950, corporate events The last 20 years. And, with house parties and stuff, that’s easily, to double that.
Christa Innis: You’ve seen it all.
Joe Diamond: Not at all. There are some people who’ve seen more than me for sure. both because they charge more and less than me, but that’s a whole other discussion.
The Art of Reading Minds – and Rooms
Christa Innis: Yeah. So how did you get into mind reading and did it kind of start, like, I know you’ve Kylie made different, like.
Turns, I’m sure, like in your career, but how did you kind of end up to what you’re doing now? Like what was kinda like the journey? Like?
Joe Diamond: when I was a kid, my great-grandmother taught me how to read playing cards, just like tarot cards. And my grandfather taught me my first card trick.
So right at the beginning there was this interesting, dynamic and by the time I would go to the library and get books on everything from magic, both magic tricks and ritualistic magic, even though my parents were very religious and were like, put those back. So I learned to read them at the library and take notes in my notebook and then, you know, go home.
Later, but I also read books on UFOs, crop circles, paranormal phenomena, all that stuff. And so when I was in my mid teens, there was a casting call for Six Flags Great America, for anyone, not listening or listening, who’s not in the Midwest, that’s a theme park. just off of, the highway between Chicago and Milwaukee.
and they were looking for street performers. And I went in, doing some, a little bit of mind reading some card tricks, and I got the gig. But by the end of that summer I was just reading poems and doing mind reading. ’cause that’s what people were really responding to. Oh,
Christa Innis: wow.
Joe Diamond: And so, yeah, after two summers of that, you know, seven hours a day out on the streets, Entertain people while they’re waiting for their friends to get off of rides or, that kind of stuff. As, Malcolm Gladwell says, I got my 10,000 hours in and I started working, you know, house parties, corporate events. I noticed the mind reading stuff was getting more of a reaction.
I also did some sideshow stunts at the time, which, I don’t do as much anymore, but like I learned how to stick my hand in an animal trap and hammer a nail into my nose. That was taught to me by a sword swallower. And what was fun about those is, you know, and you could tell people exactly how they worked.
’cause like with traditional magic, you don’t tell them anything, right. With mind reading, people can kind of piece together later on, maybe some like intuitive leaps or body language, that kind of thing, but you can’t explain what you’re doing as you’re doing it. Mm-hmm. But with like the sideshow stuff, I could explain exactly what was going on and people would still go.
Is that a real animal trap? Is that, you that kind of stuff. So I was always playing with what was real and what was not. And, I started doing ticketed shows in various historical, venues, everywhere from the, Maxwell Mansion, lake Geneva. But I’ve also done shows at the Woodstock Opera House.
I was born in Woodstock, Illinois. If anyone’s seen the movie Groundhog Day, that’s the building Bill Murray jumped out of. and what’s funny is like I’m kind of more known for these more intimate shows, but like, I’ve done shows for a thousand people at a corporate event, 2000 people at a high school.
Mm-hmm. and even when I did like. The Opera House, it only seats about 411 people. But, which is small compared to like amphitheaters and other massive theaters in the Midwest. But people were still like, oh, how are you gonna make that? Your shows are so intimate. How are you gonna work with people?
How are you gonna read? Mines in the Balcony. And this was right after COVID, so I was like, I’ve been reading Mines over Zoom. So they’re just right up there. even in the bigger environment, that space, I’ve worked really hard on making the bigger events feel more interactive and intimate, and making the more intimate events feel bigger and more, immersive than they may or may not appear to be.
Christa Innis: Wow. That’s awesome. I know, I feel like, ’cause I’ve been to like different kinds of shows and I always, I love the more intimate one because I feel like you can like. See them closer. You can get, see like real reactions. Sometimes the like really big shows. You’re like, what’s like, maybe it’s like the skeptic part of me, but even though I tend to be more spiritual, but sometimes I’m like, was this planned ahead of time?
But the more intimate ones, you’re like, no, there’s no way. this is like
Joe Diamond: also because in the more intimate ones, there’s more of a chance for you to be involved as well.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Joe Diamond: In fact, at the max, I love that we have we have introvert seating cause people’s number one fear is public speaking.
Christa Innis: Getting called
Joe Diamond: well, well, well it’s public speaking whether or not they’re up for a show or need to speak for work. And on top of that I’m going to, you know. Tell them what they’re thinking. even if this was all a joke, even if I was just like, oh, you’re thinking of this really embarrassing thing that happened.
is that right? No. Well, of course you’d say no, it’s embarrassing. I, you know, right now if that there with their coworkers, now they’re that person. and I do not do that. Of course. I’m always very conscious of making sure everyone in my audience goes back a hero. that said, I completely understand that some people just do not wanna participate and I want everyone to feel comfortable in the show.
So we have introvert tickets where you can, you know, they’re on the ticketing site. at the psychicparlor.com, and you can go down, you know, there’s standard tickets. There’s also VIP up close couch seating as well. So the people do wanna be extra close, but then there’s introvert seating, which is, I will not call on you during the show.
There are some things that involve everyone all at once, that people can kind of, interact with from their seats.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: of course, I will not bring them up and of course, like say hi to them before the show. And I even say to them, the joke I always do is don’t worry, this is the most I’ll talk to you all night.
Christa Innis: you’re safe over here. yeah.
Joe Diamond: so yeah, so it’s, something I am trying to be very conscious of, but it is something that’s so intrinsic to my work because a big part of it, ironically, is the skepticism, is the, oh, well, can he do it with me? Will he pick someone from our group? And when you come with a group of.
Five to 10 people at a show that only seats 40. You’re 25% of the audience, so someone in your group is gonna be involved. You’re gonna have a conversation going home later, So, yeah. Uh, intimate is also very relative as well. also in Lake Geneva, very good friend of mine, I’ve done shows at, Tristan Christ’s theater.
Mm-hmm. They do a more traditional magic show. He cuts his assistant in half, they fly around the stage like superheroes and make a helicopter appear. and it’s amazing. , I’ve been backstage and I don’t know where they keep the helicopter. It’s a little, little disconcerting, but in all seriousness, their back row, they’re only 175 seats, which again, compared to the 40, is like, oh, wow.
So much bigger. But their back row is closer than Penn and Teller’s front row in Las Vegas when I filmed for their TV show. that is still a more intimate space compared to, to that. and I have different things like there’s one. Grand finale I do for my bigger shows that involves 26 people and the, just in the grand finale.
Wow. The whole show, uh, throughout, I do several things. there will be about 50 people that are directly involved with me during the show, total. And, there again, several things where everyone is involved too.
Christa Innis: Wow. Yeah. I love like, being able to be a part of it or involved in some way. ’cause I feel like, especially like when I was a kid, I’d go to a magic show or some kind of like, mind reading show.
Like, being pulled up on stage just makes you be like, I wasn’t a part of it. Or like, I didn’t see anything that happened, but like, I saw it in front of my eyes happen. Like I always remember going to some kind of, I think it was when my sister was in college, they did like some kind of magic show there.
And I remember I got pulled up on stage
Joe Diamond: that tour colleges and stuff and
Christa Innis: yeah. Yeah. And I feel like I did something where they were like, close your eyes and like hold this light bulb. It was something. And soon as I opened my eyes, the light bulb turned on and I was like, I don’t know
Joe Diamond: how
Christa Innis: I did it
Joe Diamond: could’ve been, uh, one of my very close friends, Chris Carter, they were the long, light bulbs.
Uh,
Christa Innis: yes, it was the long light bulb.
Joe Diamond: That’s his, that’s his signature. Yeah. I don’t know how he does that either.
Those aren’t his light bulbs. He has like the booker or whoever hired him for like, the company, like go to the store and buy them and bring them to the show and like,
Christa Innis: wow.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. It’s, it’s
Christa Innis: wild.
Joe Diamond: It’s ridiculous. Yeah, he’s from the Midwest as well and he’s taught me a lot. And, he’s amazing. And again, he works colleges. I always joke with him. Yeah. The biggest thing you’ve taught me is how much I do not wanna work colleges or, or beyond. I mean, because he’s been on the road like 300 days a year.
I’m very spoiled. I get to, you know, again, I do my fair share of traveling for this line of work. I’ve flown up town for different things. And being in between Chicago and Milwaukee is, a blessing, but like, yeah, compared to people like him who are. Just on the road every single day, it’s, oh, I actually get to sleep.
I am in my own bed and eat dinner with my wife most nights a week. You know?
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Joe Diamond: even with something like the psych parlor, you know, when I was first starting, I wouldn’t be home till like midnight, one, two in the morning. I’m home by, 10:00 PM most nights there.
Christa Innis: Right.
Joe Diamond: so again, for having, a line of work that, normally is so predicated on all those things, the fact that I don’t have to kind of carved out my own little niche.
Without having to do all that. I’ve been very, very grateful for,
Christa Innis: yeah,
Joe Diamond: yeah, ’cause again, when you do, if someone, specializes in, like, for example, weddings, well, there’s only a hundred Friday, Saturdays a year, so you’re only gonna book so many, unless you can do several in a day.
And for someone like me where it’s like, they either want me there the whole time mingling or at a specific time, and we all know they always run on time, right?
Christa Innis: Oh, yes.
Joe Diamond: and when they do come up great,because of things like the Maxwell and these other ticketed events, I’ve done I don’t have to be as hungry for like, again, being on the road all the time.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And so you’ve done, I mean, so many different shows, like different sizes, different kinds of people, I’m sure. is there a time in your mind, like one of the wildest or in most interesting reactions that you have from one of your shows, or a guest that was there, just an interesting, like, story that kind sticks out to you?
Joe Diamond: there’s a lot. for sure. I’ve had people scream, I’ve been hit, I’ve been slapped.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. to be fair, it’s happened two or three times. It’s been in like the arm like two or three times. But once it was across the face and the woman was just like, ah, and it was just like this, and just her hand hit just right next because
she
Christa Innis: couldn’t believe what you did.
Yeah.
Joe Diamond: And it, but her hand just hit just right to like echo through this, this space we were in. it was, at a, Dell web type community for anyone who knows what they’re, so it just echoed and it was before I had a beard, so like, it was extra like, you know, skin on skin whack and it sounded way worse than it was.
always use a handheld mic, so I went off mic and she was, and this is part of the reason, ’cause she was like, oh my God, I’m so sorry. I’m so sorry. Please don’t hate me. And I said, I’m absolutely fine. I’m gonna make a joke and we’re gonna move on. We’ll be fine. And then I got on the mic and was like, no, no, no, it’s my fault.
I should have seen that coming. And no. And I thanked her, sent her back to her seat. I said, whoever’s sitting next to her, you know, look out if she reacts more during the show, might wanna scoop over a little, you know, so we had fun with it. Of course.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Joe Diamond: Um, do
Christa Innis: you what it was?
Joe Diamond: Oh yeah. It was, so there’s several things that I do pretty much in every show. I have different ways of. Framing it or scaling it. so one of the things I’ll do is I’ll have people think of like names of friends or family members. Mm-hmm. Now, sometimes I’ll adjust that depending on just for lack of a better term, the season.
Like I will have people think of, like I did a time travel show once a themed show. And so I said, think of someone from your past that you no longer talk to. No one. You had an epic falling out with just someone you’ve lost track with over the years and never really connected with on Facebook. it’s been a while since you’ve seen this person.
and I have those different things to fit kind of the theme of the show. but also ‘ cause again, the other thing I’ve gotta address in my show is, oh, has he looked us all up on social media? Is he doing? And, I genuinely don’t. But I still have to go out of my way to show, not just tell, but like show I’m not doing that by having people picked at random or picking up on things that aren’t normally thought of.
Christa Innis: So yeah, having someone think of like, again, a friend, a family member, someone they used, to know those kinds of things. I’ll have people think of like old pin codes at Halloween. I’ll have them think of old costumes, after
Joe Diamond: Christmas time. I’ll have them think of old gif. But, it’s all the same framing for what I do.
And in many ways, the jokeI say is, at the beginning of my show, when I have two people on stage and I tell each of them just what color they’re thinking of. Mm-hmm. The joke I say is, that’s it. That’s all I do. Don’t worry. We’ll keep doing it for the next hour. but the idea is that we start with colors, then go into shapes, then numbers, and then I have someone, think of cards they’re holding in like.
Game. We play psychic poker. Then I have someone think of a drink they’d order at the bar. I talk about more empathy versus telepathy. So then I work with different people’s emotions. Then we think of like specific thoughts like friends, family members, then some stuff where someone thinks of someone in the room and I have to find them without asking them any questions.
that’s all I’ll say about the show without spoiling anything else. because another part of it too is people just love the surprise too. and even when it’s the same thing for me because someone’s always thinking something different and they’re always gonna react differently and people wanna bring their friends to see how they’ll react.
Christa Innis: Mm mm-hmm. So
Joe Diamond: that kind of has the surprise baked into it as well, because Yeah. I might get every once in a while I’m way, way off. it’s not the, you. Line I say in the show is, mind reading is an art, not a science. Mm-hmm. So I’m not always gonna be a hundred percent accurate, but I’m hopefully more close than not.
And it’s interesting when people go, wow, I’ve never seen you get that wrong before. Like, who have seen you a couple times? That’s still kind of interesting and surprising for them, even though it’s the least impressive outcome. And in many ways, but I also make a point of like, Hey, this is about, having fun and connection and the other.
I call it the dirty secret of my show, which is, yes, my name is on the advertising, it says I’m the star of the show. But that’s not really true. The real star of the show is the audience. The show is about the audience. Mm-hmm. when you look at mystical characters and film and literature, like when someone, if you were watching a Twilight Zone episode that had a mind reader in it, it wouldn’t start with the mind reader, it would start with people going to the mind reader and having that discussion of, I think this is real.
I think it’s a load of bunk. What do you think? Right. And the weird stuff happens in the Mind Reader Show, and now we follow these two people leaving. So I’m, kind of trying to see the show through that lens of a real life Twilight zone experience.
Christa Innis:
Joe Diamond: and, giving them as much the starring role of it and, the interaction of it.
Um, way more than, just being about. I’m always being right and when it is about them and when it is that if I’m not a hundred percent accurate, I’ve also structured everything and I’ve got lines and jokes where even if I’m completely wrong and nothing works, I can move on to the next thing.
Like, it’s funny, I’ve gotten things wrong in shows and still have had people come up going, so what do you do? Are you ever wrong? Because they had just gotten that was the one thing out of whole hour. Right. They just caught,
Christa Innis: yeah,
Joe Diamond: it does. what I think matters is that Maya Angelou quote of like, people may forget what you said or did, but they won’t forget how you made them feel.
So
Christa Innis: Right.
shooting for that as much as possible because then if I’m a little off, if I get a name or mispronounce it or misspell it mm-hmm. Or something, it’s not as much of a glaring, error. right.
Joe Diamond: And like with juggling either. Catch the clubs or you don’t,
With magic, the helicopter appears or it doesn’t, the girl gets put back together where she doesn’t. So, and when those go wrong, there’s not as much, there’s more on the line with those going wrong than with me, ironically. Right.
Christa Innis: I’m sure it’s all about how you like, respond to it and what happens next of like, entertaining, making a joke about it.
if you just like stood there and were like, oh my God, I messed that up. You know, like people would feel Oh yeah. Like, remember it more.
Joe Diamond: well, the other thing too is I also, I poke fun at myself during the show as well, because most people, so there’s, two types of people at my show.
People who are at the very least, Even if they’re not full on believers, they’re interested in this kind of stuff. Mm-hmm. And then it’s their skeptical partner, they’ve dragged along.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I was gonna ask about that.
Joe Diamond: And it’s funny to the point where I can pretty much say to a couple when I say, thank you for coming tonight.
Thank you for being dragged along and like, I’ve had a few people go, oh my God, he’s psychic. How did you know that? I’m like, it’s because you’re here everywhere. That’s not the psychic part. Yeah. Uh, she hasn’t started yet. but, the line I say in the show now is, my wife is the biggest skeptic I’ve ever met, so it’s okay if you’re skeptical.
She said to my face, it’s not so much your psychic, you’re just a straight white guy with empathy to be fair in this era, that’s a miracle.
Christa Innis: That’s, and when
Joe Diamond: I’m not taking it myself that seriously, they’re not out to, challenge or prove or disprove. It’s, we’re there to have a good time.
if someone is taking it a little too seriously, I’ve even said to someone like, Hey, um. I don’t know if you know this, but this isn’t church. There was a ticket price. You don’t have to believe a single word I say. We can just have fun.
Christa Innis: Um, just enjoy yourself. Yeah,
Joe Diamond: Exactly.
Exactly.
Christa Innis: So I mean, that’s like when you see similar things post online, everyone’s like, oh, they, searched it ahead of time. They Google, you know, there’s all those like skeptics out there and it’s like, do people have fun? Do people enjoy it? Like,
Joe Diamond: Well, and, that’s
Christa Innis: Skeptics
Joe Diamond: Like, for a lot of that stuff.
And that’s why even with the stuff I’ve done online, I do try to make it so that all those questions, I mean, there are come up one way or another in my art form. it’s just going to, that’s kind of the point. but, I really try to again, make it, about the people, when I show the, you know, clips of the show.
I don’t even show that much of what I’m doing. I’ll just show people’s reactions, people laughing or gasping or hugging me or, hitting me sometimes. like showing that and showing that happens regularly, becomes a different story than is it real or not? How’s he finding it out? It’s more of like, what’s going on in this, interaction that’s causing these people to react like that.
it’s the same reason why, the fact that we want to be in, a show where the audience does implement what happens. I think it’s part of the reason why comedians. Doing crowd work clips online have kind of blown up in the last few years because mm-hmm. People even when there’s always someone who’s like, oh, this was obviously staged.
Look, he’s not even really on the stage. And are there a few people who like, use laugh tracks and stuff like that? Yeah, of course. however, for the most part, we want to feel like we saw we were a part of something that, has never happened before and will never happen again.
I don’t worry too much about people thinking that with the stuff online anymore because like,I, I perform regularly. you can come see for yourself, And if you don’t want to, you know, then that’s okay too, right? then, you know,
The customer’s always right, but not everyone’s a customer.
Christa Innis: Um,
Joe Diamond: and like, Some people are my audience, some people aren’t, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, uh, art. Art, uh. It’s like a magnet. I think Johnny, or Jimmy Carr said, it’s like it attracts some people and repels others, and both are totally fine.
So,
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. So I know you wanna do, an audience mind reading, like
Joe Diamond: Yeah, yeah.
Christa Innis: Intuition test
Joe Diamond: do and with everyone as well. So listening. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Awesome. do you wanna do that or do you wanna, I know you say you also have a lot of wild stories, so what.
The TJ Moment
Joe Diamond: I’ll tell you what, both Okay. Let’s do a quick intuition test. And, after that we can do some stories and then I have something planned for at the end of this too, so,
Christa Innis: okay.
Joe Diamond: we can kind of give everyone a little bit of a taste and, also give you a chance to see how, This mind reading stuff really works and also gives you and everyone listening a chance to know what it feels like to get this wrong and to get it right.
when I do this in live shows, it usually gives me a chance to see who else in the room is the most intuitive. Okay? So, here’s how this is gonna work. Christa, I’m going to think about, memory from my past. Okay? I’m going to do my best to project it to you and the listeners. even though this is recorded, I’ve done this with recordings and it does still work pretty significantly, I found for people who are truly listening, if the listeners are able to close their eyes, please do.
Of course, if you’re running or driving, of course don’t, don’t worry about it. But if you can, it, does usually help. So we’ll do this with you and I, and then later on, we can see how it does with the listeners. And exhale, or you’ll suffocate. Very good. All right, now, Christa, you’re gonna look at me for this.
Okay? everyone else, again listening can close their eyes, but since we’re talking in real time, you can take another deep breath, and as you exhale, just get in your mind a number from one to 10. Lock your mind. Don’t change it. Remember that number, okay? Don’t try to think about these things too much.
Just go with whoever comes to you naturally. Intuition is knowing without knowing. Okay? we’re gonna do it again. I’ll take another deep breath. As you exhale, get in your mind a direction on a compass. Again, lock it in your mind. Don’t change it. Remember that direction. Okay? All right. This last one’s gonna be the most difficult this time.
I want you to think of two simple geometric shapes. One inside the other, like a square, inside of a rectangle, for example. don’t pick either of those. I just said them. take a deep breath. Exhale. Remember those two shapes.
Christa Innis: Okay.
Joe Diamond: All right. I’m curious, first of all to see how you did, and then, if anyone listening wants to, should they like, message the podcast?
Should they message me on Instagram? Yeah,
Christa Innis: I mean, they could comment. I mean, I post the full thing on YouTube, so they could always comment on YouTube. That’s why
Joe Diamond: YouTube, if people can go to the YouTube page and actually comment if this did work with them, I’m really curious. We’ll see how this worked with you as well.
so I was thinking of a pretty common memory. Again, this is likely your first time doing this, so I wanted to keep it simple. I was thinking about my first day of school and I couldn’t find geometry class, so I asked someone where it was, and they said it was on the north side of the building. When I got to the classroom, I noticed, there were seven students there already, and when I looked at the chalkboard, the teacher had already drawn, a circle and a triangle.
so right off the bat, did you get either of those?
Christa Innis: Circle, triangle and North
Joe Diamond: at that. And North. Okay. here’s the interesting thing. I don’t know what this is. If people don’t get, the number of students very often, I found sometimes they go for three. Is that what you did?
Christa Innis: Yes.
Joe Diamond: Okay.
There we go. Perfect. Okay. So now of course this is more psychological than it is psychic, but it does a couple things. Number one, it shows you how this intuition stuff really works. ’cause there is a level of nine times outta 10 every single day, we all make some kind of decision. And then later on go, ah, I should go off my initial gut instinct.
Christa Innis: Mm. Mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: So much of my work is just skipping that part that, just skipping that. So here’s how we’ll do, this next part here. I’ve got a notepad here. I’m gonna do, I’m gonna draw something here while I draw this. It’s, here comes, the drama is a little too long to write, so I’m just gonna write down drama.
so Christa be honest. when you were younger, have like a tree or sometimes it’s like a picnic table and like, a park or forest preserve that has a bunch of like initials and hearts written and carved on ’em. Okay. Uh, but you know what I’m talking about, right?
Christa Innis: I know kind of what you’re talking about.
Like
Joe Diamond: Yeah. Where people would put like, you know, the heart and then obviously 14 year olds with their first crushes, they put their initial Right, right. And or, And then go back a few years, it’s crossed out, you know.
Christa Innis: Yeah, yeah.
Joe Diamond: You know, that, kind of thing. it’s okay if you never actually did that, but you can visualize that.
Yes.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah.
Joe Diamond: Okay. I want you to imagine, we kind of go back in time in your mind a little bit and you can see one of those trees and you can go up and you can carve like a little heart in it.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: And put your initials in. And, what I’d like you to do next is to think of just one of the people you can remember having a crush on.
When you were younger. Now, a couple quick things about this. just think of their initials. Okay. It can be a celebrity crush too, and it doesn’t have to be like the very, very first one, you told them or anything like that. It could have been a secret crush. It could be, and I won’t cry for this.
Okay. Since this is podcast and going back, that’s why we’re just sticking with initials for this, situation. But at this point right now, again, we’ve talked on social media, but there’s no way I could know whose initials you decided on just now. Yes. Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Right, right.
Joe Diamond: Got them in mind.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: Okay.
This is gonna sound a little strange, but I’m gonna ask you to look right at your camera, not at the screen at me, but look right at your camera.
Christa Innis: Okay. Okay. Look
Joe Diamond: at both those initials and don’t react. And here I go. A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H-I-J-K-M-N-O-P-Q-R-S-T-V-W-X-Y-Z. Okay. I’m also gonna do this backwards.
Z-Y-X-W-V-T-S-R-Q-P-O-N-M-L-K-J-I-H-G-F-E-D-C-B-A. Okay.I think you might have stopped thinking of the initials ’cause you were like, oh my gosh, he actually can do this backwards. I’m gonna do this once more. Think of both initials. 1 more time. Z-Y-X-W-V-T-S-R-Q-P-O-N-M-L-K-J-I-H-G-F-E-D-C-B-A.. Okay. I believe, yeah, I’m gonna say it both, both initials are different.
Yes. It’s not the same initial twice. Mm-hmm. Both are different. you know what, I’m gonna go for it too. I’m gonna say they’re both consonants. Yes. Neither is a vowel.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah.
Joe Diamond: Okay. I think I got it. Then. I’m gonna write this down just to extra commit so people don’t just think you’re just saying yes to whatever I say.
Okay. I’ve written that down. I’ll leave the pad up here in frame so you can keep an eye on it. what’s the initials of the person you’re thinking of? You can tell us.
Christa Innis: TJ,
Joe Diamond: one more time. You kind of lagged out.
Christa Innis: TJ
Joe Diamond: TJ, did they actually go by TJ by any chance? Do you remember?
Christa Innis: I mean,
Joe Diamond: Not that you recall. They went by like their actual first name is why I’m saying they go by like the initials. Like my dad sometimes calls me JD sometimes.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Joe Diamond: Okay.
Christa Innis: Um, if I’m thinking my, in my initial person, their initials were tj.
Joe Diamond: Okay. That’s fine. I just wanted to make sure that, they didn’t try reaching out to you after this, because that is, exactly what I got, tj.
Christa Innis: Wow. That is wild.
Joe Diamond: People can watch back on YouTube and see that I did in fact draw a heart with, Christa’s initials and then tj, underneath, I’m going to, I’ll take a picture of this too and send it to you so we can write on Instagram and all that later. So that’s, uh, yeah, that’s a little bit of a, and that’s a perfect example too of, you receiving thoughts from me, but also you sending thoughts to me as well.
there’s a lot of that kind of stuff going on in the show too, where either I am picking up on thoughts from other people, but there are also points where they’re picking up on thoughts from me and I’m trying to find, and there are different things in the shows that I do that involve different people’s intuitions and such.
and again, part of also your reaction was crisis there too, by, thank you.
Christa Innis: I’m just like shocked. I was like, there’s no way
Joe Diamond: we’re over Zoom. How is he gonna do it? Over Zoom.
Christa Innis: I was only thinking like third grade, my first crush. And I’m like, I haven’t thought of this person. How long ago was that?
30, Almost 30 years. Probably
Joe Diamond: 25 years When you, you were two not in second grade when you were two, right? Right, exactly.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah, absolutely.
Joe Diamond: Absolutely, absolutely. so yeah, so that’s a little, we’ll do more at the end of course, but that’s a little bit of a sneak peek I’m also curious if anyone else, picked up on this.
’cause I know some people are just listening. Some people could see you, wondering if anyone else, because normally what I’m just doing is I’m just trying to feel which letter feels right, basically. and then trying to get ’em in the right order. but yeah, but I’m really glad every once in a while, just for example, this is another thing too.
Sometimes I’ve gotten the initials reversed, but like people will still kind of give that to me, even though it’s technically wrong. It’s like, okay, You were right. You know, it’s there.
and the course of a whole show again, if something like that happens, it’s not the end of the world.
I’d rather you know that than get both, or just even one of the two initials incorrect, but even when I do pick up on it, like one of the other day I said to a woman, I’m getting a motherly vibe, but this isn’t your mother. And she was like, and she, her eyes went wide and she’s like, she just had her first kid, like, wow.
Wasn’t even on social media yet or anything. So even when I am wrong, there’s still a reason why I am picking up on what I’m picking up on. It is, again, much more about the intuition, the empathy, the connecting with people. Mind reader just sounds more, show busy and interesting than feeling feeler.
right, right, right.
I’m feeling other people’s feelings. so yeah, so that’s a little bit of an insight into how that works. And in the show too, I talk about like, yep, I still have stupid stuff happened to me. And I tell some stories about that too and everything. part of the fun of it is again, you never know how people are going to react or what they’re gonna think of.
so yeah.
Christa Innis: Wow. I’m blown away. That’s wild. That’s,
Joe Diamond: Thank you.
From Mechanical Bulls to Runaway Grooms
Christa Innis: Can’t even comprehend that. okay. So, let’s jump into, you said you have a lot of, like, wild stories of things that you’ve either like seen at shows or, witnessed. what’s one of the stories that you would wanna share?
Joe Diamond: Uh, do you want one? Well, I’m gonna ask you, do you want like just. a wild story or two full stop, or do you want particularly like wedding related? Um, it doesn’t
Christa Innis: Need to be wedding related.
Joe Diamond: Okay. before I say this, there’s literally one piece of advice I try to give people for events, and it’s only half the time you’ll see what I mean in a moment.
if there’s only one after, you know, doing all these different events, I’ve been at people’s house parties, they’re 50th anniversaries, 50th birthdays, weddings, vow renewals, all of them. Bachelor parties, bachelorette parties, divorce parties. There’s one thing I’ve learned.
It’s easier to move outside than it is to move inside. Don’t count on good weather. Plan ins, like when people have like the food under a tent outside, I’m just like, you are inviting disaster. Yes. Have it in the, totally have it in the kitchen. before my show, I was just setting up in the living room ‘ cause the skies were looking a little not so great and they opened up and the wind blew in and the uncle tried to run in, in the rain with a big plaque full of ribs and tripped and all over the floor.
And if it was just inside. And so like that’s, luckily it wasn’t during my show, but still that has, are you okay? All this other stuff. just if there was, had just started inside, like, I get it as Midwesterners, we have seasonal blindness. We think just ’cause it’s summer, it’s gonna be great.
Christa Innis: and then when it’s the winter, we’re somehow surprised. like, what? I can’t believe, you know. Every year there’s someone on the news complaining that they have to shovel snow. I’m like, yeah, same time. Every year. Happens every year.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. Probably the first week of January. What do you know?
and it sounds so simple and kind of like Yeah. Do ridiculous, but those are often the ones that go overlooked. Yeah. that said, no matter how much you plan, just never know. very early in my career, I was setting up for a show and they had a mechanical bull going and it didn’t look like I was getting, we were getting closer and closer to my, contracted showtime and it didn’t look like they were turning that off anytime soon.
And I went to the woman hosting the event and I was like, Hey, are we gonna turn the mechanical bull off during the show? And she sincerely looked at me and went, why? cause we’ll be doing the show. She’s like, well, people can do that too. I’m like, so during the show, all right, think of the name of this person.
Think of how many letters just off. Alright, think of this. It’s like, oh my God. So now I probably would’ve, and I’m sure we’ve all had this, where like, , we have to be a little firmer with the customers. Like they think they want it a certain way, but like, yeah, another one is always, Hey, let’s have me on after dinner, before awards.
Like, no, no, we want you as the grand finale. We want you as the grand finale. Last two times they did that after people had their awards and they had been fed literally up to half the room left as they were, you booked it as they were introducing me.
Christa Innis: Oh no.
Joe Diamond: I’m just like, you need
Christa Innis: entertainment early.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. So I’m like, okay, everyone in the back, let’s move forward. Let’s, let’s make this feel less like a bus stop. That’s a friend of mine, a show busing. It’s like, let’s make this feel more like a show and less like a bus stop. Come on. Like, let’s get in close and enter and connect and stuff. ’cause yeah, when you’ve got those, when you’ve got tables and gaps of people, it’s just harder for everyone to kind of, again, connect basically.
Yeah. The bulk of this is connection.
Christa Innis: I’ve been pretty lucky with weddings in particular. overall like the ones I’ve actually performed at, The wedding I didn’t perform at, because three weeks beforehand, they called saying it was canceled.
Joe Diamond: The groom had run off with the bride’s best friend Jim. Oh, so yeah, the
Christa Innis: Bride’s best friend. Jeremy.
Joe Diamond: Jeremy, yes. So there was a lot to unpack from,
Christa Innis: There’s a lot to unpack there. Yeah. Yes.
Joe Diamond: So,
Christa Innis: Wow. You know,
Joe Diamond: Humans are com
Christa Innis: That’s a call that
Joe Diamond: Yeah. Humans are complicated. They had another, event for his work, so I they were able to, that’s the thing too, like normally when people book, it’s, you know, for a specific date and time,
I don’t wanna be on the hook with someone forever, but if they call and it’s something like ridiculous like that. Because that’s the other thing people don’t realize too, is like they’re not paying for the show that day. They’re paying for the six months of you telling no. Telling everyone else No. For that date and time.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Joe Diamond: Mm-hmm. And also, in my opinion, builds better trust because they know I’m not gonna. Abandon them for something, for more money, but no, you’re both
Christa Innis: holding the date.
Joe Diamond: Yes, we’re both holding the dates.
it’s very clear. and of course, if I am sick for any reason or, and not unable to do it, which I’ve only had to do this once in my career, knock on wood, give them a choice of a backup entertainer or just a refund. but they had another company event coming up, like just in the next month, and they had booked me for other stuff before, and it was their daughter, so it was like, yeah, she’ll need to be cheered up.
So, oh
Christa Innis: my. Yeah.
Joe Diamond: So that was probably like, I mean, at least it didn’t happen at the wedding, you know, okay. At least that. again, what I’ve done actually more than even weddings have been like. Bridal parties and rehearsal dinners like the night before when it is just the smaller family and it is, for lack of a better term, more intimate.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Joe Diamond: Because it’s also two sides of the family that maybe don’t know each other super well.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: So rather than trying to make something work during the bride and groom’s big day, which is, I’ve done, you know, I’ve done that show and it’s worked. but I think even better for like,
Yes, it’s about them, but it’s about all of us. you all have a big day tomorrow. This is the time to kind of cut loose and have fun and get to know one another. and again, because there’s the blend of, half the people know only half the people, they know the other people aren’t in on it and they’re act and they have something to talk about.
They have a shared experience now too. Mm-hmm. I have found those, those have been, I’ve been very lucky that those have been great. None of those have been the, problem gigs. probably the absolute, worst gig I ever did was, again, fairly early in my career. I was on after a band at like this mini festival.
And the guy started introducing me as the band was striking their stuff, and no one was paying attention, right? Like, I hear what he was saying. So I’m like, okay, well I’m gonna have to get him back up here to reintroduce me. And I just, put my stuff up. And one of the guys from the band goes, oh dude, did he introduce you early?
Don’t worry, I’ll stall. Ladies and gentlemen, he’s going to invade your minds. Mr. What’s your name again, bro? Joe Diamond. Joe Diamond. Like, I’m like, oh no. Now people are watching. Yeah. So now I have the opposite problem, right? so at start, they’re still striking every other word you can’t hear because they’re unplugging all their instruments and amps all the ka k.
They finally finish. I’m into like, I only have to do like a 20 minute set too. that’s the worst part. It felt like it, I’ve done hour shows that haven’t felt this long, and I’m like, at the halfway mark, I’m like, okay, I’ve got them. And literally beep, beep. The next band is backing their truck in and it’s just a curtain behind.
Oh my
Christa Innis: God.
Joe Diamond: and I just stopped and just started laughing. I was just like, uh. Some things just aren’t meant to be. I did have a few people who came up to me afterwards and said, Hey, good job. That must have been really tough. now, I feel like again, just the level of planning of like, okay, I have written out my introduction.
Do not introduce me till I’m ready. There’s this, there’s that. I have actually some pre-show music and stuff that like gets people’s attention to for like louder events. and it’s only a mistake if you don’t learn from it. And I learn as much as possible. So I’ve avoided, disasters much bigger than that.
there’s some stories that my friends have told that. Beat me every single day, but they’re not my stories to share.
Christa Innis: No, I get that. Yeah. No, I feel like those, early days or I feel like everything is just like, you learn from I know early days of like being a part of weddings and doing different things, I’m like, take note for next time.
you just like, and people will people, so you learned from different people
Joe Diamond: too. People will, will people will people. Oh my God. ended up being a, great show, because I’ve done a few Bachelor and bachelorette parties because sometimes they don’t want to get in trouble with a, we’ll just say adult entertainer of some kind.
Christa Innis: yes.
Joe Diamond: Negotiated against that or anything like that. I have friends in that industry, all that stuff. But some people just don’t wanna, it’s an extra layer of drama they don’t wanna deal with. And that is totally fine. That said, no one gave the memo to grandma. So I showed up and she just looked me up and down and kind of scrunched her face and just went, you the stripper.
Like she was so disappointed that like, you know this, five foot seven guy, I am not that tall. and. People were like, grandma, he’s the mind reader. And I was like, oh, no, no, no. I will strip. It’s just gonna cost everyone $20 each to leave. and she laughed.
’cause no one, they just said they just didn’t think to say to grandma that this is to tell
Christa Innis: her
Joe Diamond: Yeah. To tell her that there was entertainment that wasn’t, that but still, she was still not as disappointed as the bachelor parties I’ve done.
Oh.
Christa Innis: But they’re like, wait, what’s going on here?
Joe Diamond: well, not only that, they’ve worked of course, but there’s still just that level of. With everyone too. It doesn’t really really matter about gender. Just of like skepticism and like, wait, are we really gonna do this?
And again, as I’ve gotten now, I can send to my, clients, you know, a clip of me performing on the biggest stage in Las Vegas and reading Brook Brooke’s poem, and they can just send that to their, friends and they go, oh yeah, this will probably be good. So now I don’t have to win them over quite as much upfront because of all that word has kind of spread.
Christa Innis: Right.
Joe Diamond: but yeah, for the most part, like, you gotta just, roll with it. when grandma asks if you’re the stripper, and she’s clearly disappointed.
Christa Innis: Oh, grandma’s, they’ll just, they just say what’s on their mind. You just gotta let them, roll with it.
are you ready to react to this week? Oh yes. I’m So, here we go. Okay. So as always, this was submitted by one of the followers here, so I’ve not read it yet. Feel free to stop me and react and we’ll just,
Joe Diamond: okay.
Christa Innis: See what happens. And then at the very end, for everyone listening, you’re gonna do another little mind trick. Yes.
Joe Diamond: something at the end.
It Started With a Dance
Christa Innis: So, all right. Cool. Here we go. Says, Hey, my fiance’s parents started out really nice. We met in May and were together for about four months before getting engaged, which I know is fast throughout our relationship.
We saw his parents regularly and I truly hope to build a good relationship with them. As we started planning the wedding, the first issue came up over the mother-son dance. The DJ had suggested shortening all the dances, and when that was mentioned, his mom was outraged. I’m just gonna pause there. I feel like that’s a very normal thing now, to be like, we don’t need to dance four minutes with every single person.
I know. I shortened my
Joe Diamond: mind that. And, just real quick, the way, I know you’re reading this for the first time, but the way you said it that when you said the mother’s Sundance, I was like, is this like a thing where she dances at sundown? Like, I was like, oh yeah, mother. Sance, I thought was Mother
Christa Innis: and
Joe Diamond: Sundance.
Christa Innis: She, the person wrote it as like, mother, son. So I was like, mother Sundance. Oh, yeah,
Joe Diamond: yeah, yeah. So there was a moment because I’ve been to, I actually have, hosted a couple of, for lack of a better term, pagan, ceremonies, non-traditional ceremonies, practicing witches, practicing mystics, and such.
so yeah, so like. I’ve heard the hea tape blessing instead of, you know, the prayer and all that. so I was immediately going like, okay, but what’s a Sundance like,
Christa Innis: is there a ance and a moon dance? Yeah. What are we doing?
Joe Diamond: Yeah, it’s a sun, it’s sundown. Right? We’re not getting married at like five in the morning.
Right. Right.
Christa Innis: What’s happening?
Joe Diamond: Uh, okay, so, the mother and Sund dance. Okay. So yes.
Christa Innis: Didn’t
Joe Diamond: wanna show that so far. people, the DJ has suggested, hey, the songs you’ve picked, they’re all like four minutes each. That’s like, that’s a long time with transitions in between. We’re talking,that’s easily gonna be a 20 minute h where we all just watch two people dance if we’re gonna do the full songs.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And you gotta think for like, people watching, that’s boring. No’s
Joe Diamond: not, yeah, we don’t have to do ones yet. you get those songs in half, that’s down to like eight to 10 minutes tops. Yeah. If there’s technical issues or whatever. And yeah, that I think is the sweet spot.
yeah, I’m pretty sure we shortened all hours to like a minute and a half because like then people get to see it. That’s enough dancing. Also, people after
their first time
Christa Innis: dancing after
Joe Diamond: I promise we’ll still do the interactive thing at the end. However, after this, I’ll tell you the story of our wedding because it’s like Geneva related and there’s a fun kind of story with it as well.
Oh, cool.
Christa Innis: Okay.
Joe Diamond: Kind of tease that as well. now just to be clear, does she only want the mother son dance not shortened or does she want all of them not shortened? Or is
Christa Innis: that I’m, I’m guessing it’s more about her dance with her son.
Joe Diamond: Okay.
Christa Innis: Like 20 seconds. She’s like taking offense to it.
Joe Diamond: That’s not the craziest thing, you know, okay.
and it depends on what the song is too. Like there’s some songs you just don’t cut off in the
middle.
Christa Innis: Don’t cut.
Joe Diamond: especially if it’s the mom. Okay. Continue. All right.
Christa Innis: All right. Let’s see. She said, we ended up sitting down to talk about it because she was upset for me even bringing it up, even though I just repeated what the DJ had recommended and didn’t think it would be such a big deal after that, things calmed down a bit.
But that dynamic definitely felt different. I tried to move on and understand her perspective, especially since she openly favors my fiance and likely feels like she’s losing him. Recently though. Everything
Joe Diamond: I, pause again. Pause again. okay, so it’s the mother, son dance, so this is a likely.
We can assume bride, not another husband, a bride that
Christa Innis: wrote it in. Yeah.
Joe Diamond: Okay. and it’s, the son. Has, she said if the son is like only child, oldest, youngest,
Christa Innis: no, she hasn’t said yet, but I feel like when she says openly favors, I either wondering if she, he has another sibling and like, he’s like the golden
Joe Diamond: child.
I mean, if you are, marrying into the family Yeah. Your, the, your partner is gonna be more favored by the people who gave birth to and raised them and know like of course that, so, okay.
Christa Innis: Yeah. That’s why I feel like she means you might
Joe Diamond: be reading a little too much into it here, but We’ll, we’ll see where it goes.
Okay.
Christa Innis: Yeah. She had a complete meltdown and called him blaming me for almost everything under the sun. She accused me of initially excluding her family from our wedding planning and the day, the wedding day itself. There’s a lot more to that, but that’s the summary. So my fiance and I sat down with both of his parents and he explained that none of that was my doing, and that if anyone felt excluded, it was because of decisions he had made.
That conversation lasted for four hours. Oh my gosh. So I feel like this all stems from the fact that she feels like she’s losing his her son and that she’s gonna try to make it more about her day and want it her way.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. And, and, uh hmm. Yeah, that’s, uh, uh, yeah, I, because, yeah. ’cause I think. So, so, so first off, um, kudos to husband, partner, fiance for, um, being like, for, for taking charge for, yeah.
Christa Innis: Like, this is me.
Joe Diamond: Hey, hey, hey, mom. Listen, like, like take the brunt of it. Sit down and talk for the four hours. Like, like, so far, so far. Green flags for the fiance. Yes. Do get through whatever hell you have to, to, to marry them. Yes. Uh, yes. So far, uh, so far, so far he’s worth it. Uh, so, uh, uh, and it sounds like the issue is gonna be mostly between him and the mom now, but we’ll see. Um,
Over a 13-year-old
Christa Innis: yeah. Um, then ano another issue came up about us not inviting children to the wedding. She was furious.
Joe Diamond: Pause, right. Pause right there. Nope, nope, nope, nope. Mom lost all credibility. I 1000% agree. Children should not, if you are going to have an open bar, um. I will even argue, not the party, not even the ceremony
Christa Innis: at you saying at any wedding.
Joe Diamond: At, at, at I, I’m saying across 99% of all across the board.
Christa Innis: Wow. Wow. That is a hot take.
Joe Diamond: So, uh, uh, I, I, I do think so. So here, here’s a couple issues with kids. It’s actually not the kids, it’s the parents.
Christa Innis: The parents.
Joe Diamond: It’s the parents. And, um, if there’s, it, it, it just becomes about the kid now.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: Like, I understand.
Just, and yes, we might not all have a teen or preteen flower girl or ring bearer. They may only be three or four. And yeah, it’s cute for like three, the three second clip of them like walking down the aisle. But like, you know, then you know you’re, you’re paying for, you’re paying for the, the, the cake and all that.
’cause here’s the other thing too, I, I will argue nine times outta 10, if there are kids at a wedding slash wedding adjacent type event, any entertainer, they book dj, comedian, moderator. I’m saying this ’cause this has happened. Yeah. All the parents think, oh, that’s the babysitter. That’s now in a separate room.
And this is problematic for, you know, the entertainer. ’cause it’s like, wait, I’m alone in a room with everyone’s kids. That’s not how everyone else is drinking. That’s not good. No, no, no. Oh, that’s not a good position. I, I wanna be in. Yeah. Uh, so it’s one thing if you wanna hire, hire childcare. Mm-hmm. Uh, which I think if there are any levels of kids there, whoever wants them, has to give into to any kind of childcare, nannying, whatever day, you know, daycare, because this exists, this happens.
They have ’em for company events for, you know, single parents. So like the parents can still, you know, attend the event. And it’s at conference centers, it’s at wedding venues. They, they, they have, they have caterers. They have someone, you know, who’s professional, vetted to, to watch kids too. Mm-hmm. So if you’re gonna go that far.
Especially if they’re gonna make the argument of, oh, it’s only two or three. It’s only two or three. Mm-hmm. Like, then okay, then you, you, you contribute for that. Like if, if they, if it’s that important to you. I don’t think any kid has outweighed the adorableness factor for
how much of a pain it’s been for the rest of the day. Like there, there’s a saying in show business don’t work with kids or animals like, and in TV there’s a reason every baby and every TV show is twins.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Joe Diamond: Like, because when one’s cranky, hopefully the other isn’t like, that’s why there was Mary Kate and Olson.
That’s why there’s, that’s why every baby and every show and movie is almost always a set of twins, right. For that exact reason. Because getting that on camera and all this stuff is next to impossible.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Joe Diamond: So,
Christa Innis: well, yeah, and, and my thing is too, it’s like why when people get like offended over like their kids not being invited, like I’ve said this before, like I have a toddler, like she’s gonna be three this year.
And I’m like, I would not be offended ’cause I get it and I, and sometimes like my husband and I just wanna night out without her and she probably wouldn’t have that much fun at a wedding. She maybe have fun for a little bit dancing, but
Joe Diamond: Yeah,
Christa Innis: if she’s not invited, I’m not gonna be like, oh my gosh, they hate children.
I’m like, I would never think that. I’d be like, I get it, I get it. You have a kids touching everything and
Joe Diamond: I think if there’s any kind of, any kind of bar, no kids, vice versa. Ca cash or otherwise, like, it’s like that, that all, that just does not mix. It just does not mix. I’ve almost never seen it pay off if the kids are a little older.
If there’s like a very hard and fast, like 13 and over because of certain cousins ages and stuff like that. I understand.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Joe Diamond: Everything’s a case by case basis of course.
Christa Innis: Oh, for sure. I think, you know, if the kids like in your family are gonna be okay or not, and if the bride and groomer are saying no, they’re probably like, eh, I think the ones we know are not gonna be,
Joe Diamond: here’s the next part, here’s the next part.
This is the mom, right?
Christa Innis: Yeah. The
Joe Diamond: mom definitely doesn’t have little kids. If, if her like, I mean, it could happen maybe their early twenties and they have a 18 year gap between him and his younger 8-year-old sister or something. Maybe, but especially for the mom who likely doesn’t have her own kids. Like, or I don’t know, you know, day before the wedding shower, do like a, a, a fun, you know, wedding tea thing with all the kids or something.
Have them dress up and do that at noon, you know, uh, the Saturday before or something. But immediately, as soon as someone is like, Nope. I’m like, mm mm And again, it, it, it, it does drastically depend. I’ve done a lot of, I’ve done a lot of house parties where there are like a few younger kids or a good number of younger kids, um, and nor nine times outta 10 when it’s that kind of dynamic.
They often want to be kind of little grownups. They want to be, you know, yeah. They wanna sit, sit tight for the show, you know, they’ll kind of, which is also why go on a little later so that way, you know, they’ve run out of steam and everything. Yeah. And I have all things that they can for sure help with.
I always carry one thing with me specifically for like, kids that I can do.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Joe Diamond: So, but I also let like the. Host and everyone know that. ’cause that also means I am not the babysitter. I have one thing specifically for them. The show isn’t offensive. The show is clean and everything, but it’s not, it’s geared for intelligent grownups, you know?
Christa Innis: Right. Um,
Joe Diamond: and, uh, just like a bar, you know?
Christa Innis: Yes.
Joe Diamond: There’s nothing offensive for the most part, for 99% of the population of just like the presence of a bar. Uh, but like, not, not for, okay, so mom is,
Christa Innis: yeah,
Joe Diamond: mom is upset. So, okay. So there’s no kids and she doesn’t, she likely doesn’t even have kids of her own. Okay.
Christa Innis: Right. So she says she was furious that we wouldn’t invite his second cousin’s daughter. So we’re talking distant, like, I don’t even know if I invited any of my second cousins.
Joe Diamond: Second cousins former roommate.
Christa Innis: Yeah. That’s ridiculous. ’cause like
Joe Diamond: that make us absolutely nothing.
Christa Innis: Right. I’m like, I invited all my niece and nephews, so we had five and they were super well behaved, but I also knew like their parents were more hands-on.
They
Joe Diamond: And how old were they? How old were they?
Christa Innis: The youngest was three, but he got picked up at our reception. So he only stayed through like dinner and then, yeah, and then it was like, then others were younger, but I’m trying to think, the oldest was 10. 10, eight.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. When they’re in that range. Yeah. But like three,
Christa Innis: they weren’t like infants.
Yeah.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. When they’re, yeah. So,
Christa Innis: but yeah, it’s, it’s definitely case by case. Again, you know, your own family and like, ’cause I’ve heard stories where people are like, my niece is so misbehaved, her parents don’t watch her. She will throw things, she’ll push things on the floor and it’s like, that’s where it’s like bride and groom or the couple getting married.
It’s their choice. Don’t beg to bring your child, just let them make their own decision.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Okay. Yeah. But she says, she originally told us that the cousin wouldn’t come unless their child could attend. Okay. Lynn, she can’t come.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. Okay.
Christa Innis: And that and that his cousin was the only extended family member planning to come.
When we asked her, when we asked for the cousin’s phone number so we could talk to them directly, she suddenly admitted she already told them yes on our behalf. And there was actually no.
Joe Diamond: Oh, so mom’s busted. Now. Mom, oh my god. Mom. Mom is straight busted.
Christa Innis: Oh no.
Joe Diamond: Oh no.
Christa Innis: Oh. And then she lied and said there was actually no issue with them intending without their children.
She still claimed I was purposely excluding her family and made several hurtful assumptions about me. So it sounds like the mom is just like mad. The fact that like maybe they don’t have a lot of close family, so she’s like, we have to have the second cousin there because they’re gonna have more people so that she has to come with her child.
And it’s like,
Joe Diamond: yeah,
Christa Innis: not your choice.
Joe Diamond: That’s the other thing. Like if they have like a, and that’s the other thing too. Everything’s case by case. If you have a ton of seven to 12 year olds, like they can all kind of. Watch each other, you know, like, you know, like, yeah, you get the, you, you, you, you slip the 15-year-old an extra, you know, 50 bucks or a hundred dollars bill a hey ke, keep an extra eye on them, you know, uh, until six o’clock when their parents are gonna take them home or something.
Like, yeah, like, again, everything, like, like there’s, there’s, you know, realize that there’s a whole other level of plan. You can’t just say, yeah, we’re, yeah, kids are allowed. There has to be a whole other level of planning. There has to be a hard out time. There’s just more questions and more things to prepare and plan on a, that have nothing to do with you on a day that’s supposed to all about you.
So, I, I would, I, I would, especially if it’s just one, then especially no. Like, no, no, no, no.
Christa Innis: Yeah. When my fiance tried to explain, we were just trying to sort everything out. She threatened not to come to the wedding and said the rest of his family wouldn’t come either if the 13-year-old wasn’t invited. Oh, so she’s 13.
Oh, it’s a 13-year-old. 13-year-old. And I’m like at that age they probably, I mean it depends, but they probably don’t even wanna come. Depends on how the close they are, but
Joe Diamond: Okay. So it’s a 13-year-old second cousin. I was thinking
Christa Innis: gg, second cousin’s kid, so I think it’s like, what is that your
Joe Diamond: A third cousin?
Christa Innis: Yeah. How’s that work? Second cousin wants removed your third cousin. I don’t know how that works, but I’m like thinking, I’m like my second cousin’s kids. I’m like, I didn’t invite any of my second cousins to my wedding.
Joe Diamond: Trying to think.
Is is again, I’m gonna go this kind of direction just briefly. I can see maybe.
If like the mom, so my, so my late mother was actually my cousin’s nanny for the first, like six, seven years of his life.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: Um, they called her Auntie Trudy, but she like worked for my, you know, my aunt, her sister-in-law as, as his nanny. Um, so yeah, she, and, and she’s not a blood re relative to my cousin Bobby, who was, who was the one being nannied, but like, if he was being invited somewhere or if he was, you know, there was a, like, she was invited to his graduation and she, you know, um, you know, he’s, he’s not married, but if he ever did get married, I’d assume Yeah.
She’d be invited because Yeah, she is, she’s not just his aunt, but she also, you know, took care of him for a long time. Like if the mom had some kind of relationship like that, maybe if there was some, but like none of that. And then on top of it, like.
The mom wanted drama. Yeah. Mom wanted drama. She’s already upset
Christa Innis: about
Joe Diamond: something. Because here’s the thing too, you could get away with a 13-year-old not being a kid. Mm-hmm. That could have just completely flown under the radar the whole day. Like, not a problem. Oh, no kids. Okay. Well ’cause like a 13-year-old like, isn’t a kid.
It’s, it’s a, it’s you’re a teenager already. Yeah. And if it’s, if they’re, you know, have had their growth spurt and it’s all that, it’s like Yeah. They probably will just be like, you know, scared. They’re just gonna sulk in the corner and, and you know, be an awkward 13-year-old. But if they’re having fun with their second cousins and aunts and uncles and her mom and stuff, then okay.
Like, I think like that could have very easily been like. To me, like it’s now like, okay, like yeah, that’s not a kid. That’s, that’s a teenager. Like
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Joe Diamond: Which is a whole other, which is a whole other thing. Um, as
Christa Innis: it’s the, it’s the mom just trying to cause some drama, trying to control something. Because we also don’t even know if the second cousin said anything, like, maybe, maybe the second cousin was like, I don’t care if they come or not.
I’m, I will, I’ll still go. Maybe at that point the invitations weren’t even out and they didn’t even know if they were gonna invite the second cousin, but the mom’s like, oh, well, she won’t come without this. ’cause I have heard of families like that where they, they already have this crazy list of people that haven’t even talked to the bride or groom in years, and they’re like, we weren’t even gonna invite them.
They’re like, but it’s my second cousin. And they’re like, why are you inviting people that like, I don’t have a relationship with? So, yeah. So I feel like at the end of the day, it’s like, it doesn’t even matter. Even if the person was 21 years old and as their kid, it’s like. If they don’t have a relationship with them or didn’t ha think to include them, then they’re not as important to them as the, to the mom.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. Yeah. I, I think the, the mom is literally like, there, there’s, there’s something more going on with her, with her wanting. She wanted something to come to a head with this, uh, with this gal, uh, her, her boys marrying, there’s, there’s some, something, something deeper there. I don’t, I don’t buy that. It’s, yeah,
Christa Innis: yeah, yeah.
So she says, um, okay. So like, to kind of finish that part, she says, uh, the rest of the family wouldn’t show up either if the 13-year-old wasn’t invited, or technically if she was uninvited, since his mom had already taken it upon herself to say yes, then she insisted on
Joe Diamond: speaking a 13-year-old girl too. So I’m, I’m making all the wrong assumptions on this.
Okay. Uh oh. A 13-year-old girl definitely wants to go to a wedding. And like that wouldn’t be a, like, I don’t know, is in your mind, is that a kid in all seriousness? Like am I, am I just crazy here? Yes. To
Christa Innis: me, that’s a kid.
Joe Diamond: It is a kid. Okay. All right. All right.
Christa Innis: Like we did only, we did, uh, 21 and older at our wedding.
So anyone that was under, because I had cousins that were like younger and I didn’t invite them.
Joe Diamond: Sure, sure, sure, sure. And if you’ve got like a bunch of cousins, you gotta invite, you can’t invite just one, you gotta invite them all kind of deal.
Christa Innis: Deal. Like
Joe Diamond: I, I’ve got two
Christa Innis: maybe at 13 if I was, if it was like my parents’ second cousin’s wedding, I don’t know if I would go to that.
But if it was like my family, like aunt and uncle at 13, oh yeah, I would’ve loved that. So it just depends on your relation. Yeah, like, but my parents would never have been like, you have to invite my kid. My parents would never
Joe Diamond: also, okay, so it’s his 13 year old’s, female, second cousin. It’s back to weird.
It’s back to weird now.
Christa Innis: I think it’s his second cousin’s kid.
Joe Diamond: His second cousin’s kid. But the kid is a 13-year-old girl.
Christa Innis: The kid is a 13-year-old. Mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: So she, she should not have a relationship with him. She should like, like let’s be real about that. Right. Like, she should not have, like, that is officially too distanced to be like, you know, have a sibling dynamic.
That’s too like that. Like, no, they don’t, they don’t care about e No, they shouldn’t care about each other. Like, yeah.
Christa Innis: I mean, I don’t know.
Joe Diamond: I don’t know. We’re back weird. We’re, we’re back. This is a rollercoaster. Geez. I, I could see again, like, yes, anyone under, if, if, if no kids means no one under 21. Yes. I, I, I think to me when I say no kids, I think like thir no one, 13 and under.
Like, that’s, that’s kind of where my brain was kind of at. Um. Because like if one teenager comes, it’s like, okay, well then, oh, dang it. But you know, that sucks. Like, I feel bad for the teen. Like what are they gonna do? You know? Right.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Joe Diamond: You know? Yeah.
Christa Innis: I mean, I think really what it comes down to is that the bride and groom said no and the mom.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. Yeah. And I think that’s, that’s the big thing. You gotta, you gotta just, you gotta just learn when, learn when to hold ’em, learn when to fold ’em and like,
Christa Innis: yeah.
Joe Diamond: I, I think the mom is trying to, to just not make it easy on them. I think, I think the mom’s trying to come up with anything possible that she can pivot, because like, that’s the other thing.
There’s lots of ways you can ruin a relationship or ruin a wedding. I think she’s trying to come up, these are the only things that, the only straw she’s grasping at that she can turn around to be there slash her future. And daughter-in-law’s fault. Which right. Is not, and no one, no. Everyone’s seeing through.
Like, no, no. You’re just hiding it behind your back. Like no, like we, we know what you’re doing.
Christa Innis: Yeah. She’s
Joe Diamond: fighting
Christa Innis: something
Joe Diamond: also. No one else in the family will come. Well, does the rest of the family know she’s crazy? ’cause they might like that can, that’s a bold move on the mom to think like, oh, everyone’s gonna,
Gold Digger, Fake, and ‘Are You Sure You Want This?’
Christa Innis: I, yeah, I hear this stuff all the time with these kind of people.
They always threaten not to come. They’d be like, oh, if you don’t do this, if you don’t have your brother in the wedding, if you don’t have this girl as a flower girl, we’ll not come. And it’s like, okay, then. Then don’t. Okay, let me get, okay. Let’s see. Um, she insisted. Then on speaking to my fiance alone during that call, she told him she was embarrassed by our wedding, embarrassed by how we treated the family, and incredibly disappointed in him.
After a lot of yelling and crying, she demanded that he come over to have a sit down conversation with both parents without me. After we talked it through, he went thinking it was the best option. That conversation lasted three and a half hours. It’s all this talking.
Joe Diamond: It’s getting shorter. It’s getting shorter.
Okay.
Christa Innis: A little shorter. Yeah,
Joe Diamond: a little shorter.
Christa Innis: During it, they raised some concerns about me basically saying I was fake. And then I just, I just say whatever people wanted to hear to smooth over the conversations they implied. I was a no they,
Joe Diamond: difficult conversations when, first of all, okay, okay, well let’s get to the gold digger thing in a moment.
Um, ’cause I, I have kind of a weird theory that, that that’s just popped into all of this. Um, ’cause this has happened, uh, to me as well. Okay. Um, yeah. Yeah. She’s, you’re mad at her trying to smooth over the problems you’re creating, like Right. That that’s,
Christa Innis: oh my gosh. She’s too, she’s too kind.
Joe Diamond: She’s not causing more drama.
Yeah. Yeah. She’s, she’s so, so, okay. So th this is reference. This has been referenced a couple times, um, where she says, the mom has said the family.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: I have a new perspective on this and I might be projecting this might be a mob thing. Um, I was, again, early in my career. Again, the show was great, but this is just one of those little stories.
Um, it was in downtown Chicago. I took the train down and, uh, went to the venue and they were, uh, I’m still getting paid on Arrival Cash. I now get, you know, I don’t go anywhere without a deposit now. Uh, but, but that’s how long ago it was. And she was like, oh yeah, my husband will take care of you. And I’m like, a little nervous about that.
I’m like, does he know how much? Like, is he gonna throw a stink? What’s gonna, but he was fine. Um, he was like, oh yeah, sure. He’s like, love, love that. You take cash. Cash is great in my business. And as he’s saying that, he’s taking out a wad, just a rubber band, just a wad of no cards in between, either just,
Christa Innis: yeah,
Joe Diamond: cash, just stack.
And I’m so young and naive, he starts peeling him off. He’s like, good. I love cash in my business too. And I’m so young and naive. I go, oh, what business is that? And he literally stops, looks at me, looks back at the money. Peels off what he owes me. Peels off an extra a hundred and just goes seafood business.
Oh. And I’m like, love seafood. Yeah, seafood. Wonderful. Love it, love it. Um, that event went so well that like two, three-ish years later I’m doing another event and they’re there. That woman, you know, someone at that party booked me for their party and I see ’em and I, you know, grew up fast and show business, you know, doing all these events and I just see ’em and I go, how’s the seafood business?
And there was a moment where like, you know, when someone’s like, what do they mean? Yeah. But like, it was just like a half second of that and he goes, ah, booming. So like. Got it. Like, okay. Yep. That’s all we’re gonna talk about. That’s all we’re gonna talk about. Like y Yes. Like we’ve all, again, we, we’ve been at some events where it’s like, oh, that person don’t mess with Vinny.
Don’t, you know, like, you know, there, there’s some events I’ve been out where it’s like, okay, I’m getting some, some weird mob vibe. So now like, disrespecting the family and now gold digger. Like
Christa Innis: mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: Like, honestly, like that’s, that doesn’t happen. Like, that just doesn’t happen when it’s a family company.
It happens when it’s a family business, you know? You know what I’m saying? Yeah. So I’m getting weird, like matriarchal, you know, even if it’s not, you know, illegal. Just some weird like. You know.
Christa Innis: Oh
Joe Diamond: yeah. Mob, mob, vibey. You know what I mean? Like, like,
Christa Innis: I don’t know if I’ve read just like enough of these wedding stories.
It’s just a, it’s a pure, uh, mama’s boy thing. I’ve seen it in so many stories where the mom will call the new wife gold digger because there’s some kind of jealousy or insecurity where the boy is leaving the house and it’s so, it’s so weird. But they’ve completely, the second they call someone a gold digger, I’m like, you’re done.
Like, sorry.
Joe Diamond: Thoughts on credibility. Okay, so that’s a little more. All right. So I might be reading too much into it, but like
Christa Innis: you might be onto it. I don’t know. That’s, I’ve just seen it a lot in these stories. Sure. That’s like their go-to thing is like, oh, she’s a gold digger. She just wants you for your money.
When that’s even happened in stories where like, the woman’s making more than the man and the mom will be like, oh, she’s a gold digger. She’s wants you for this or that, and it’s just their go-to, uh, and sold, I’ve found.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. Uh, all
Christa Innis: right.
Joe Diamond: Okay. So called, they called her a gold digger. Said how di she’s, she’s too, she’s too nice.
She’s too flexible with all of our crazy demands. Like, come on. She’s just her pushover. Pushover.
Christa Innis: Right. Um, it said, um, okay, so then she did ad she said his family is very well off and mine isn’t. So they’re just bringing out money in it.
Joe Diamond: Okay. Fair. But
Christa Innis: yeah, they even said, I exaggerate my pain to get out of family gatherings.
For context, I’ve had three hip surgeries in the last five years. My most recent one was October, 2024, and yet I haven’t missed a single family gathering. The most I’ve done is step away to sit somewhere more comfortable to manage my pain. They also told him something along the lines of, we know once you make a decision, you stick with it, but we need you to tell us if this is really what you want and we’ll help you get out of it.
So now they’re trying to talk to him, get out of the wedding, meaning marrying me. He defended me, but it felt like once, once one issue was addressed, another one popped up. Immediately. By the time he came home after hours with them blaming me for everything, he was emotionally wrecked. This whole situation was breaking him.
He keeps saying he wants to keep the peace, but at the same time his mom is currently planning my bridal shower. I’d be like, I don’t want her touching anything wedding related
Joe Diamond: odd,
Christa Innis: which was an olive branch I tried to extend a while ago. Now I feel like I don’t want someone who thinks so poorly of me planning something meant to celebrate me.
Yeah, I would. If you’re listening to this now, I would say tell her you no longer want her planning it. Have friends or your family do it or don’t have one, and I would not be, I literally would not be going to an event of someone that like hates me.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. Yeah. I think, uh, so are we talking? Okay. So, um, is, is that it, is that the, is that the end of it?
There
Christa Innis: was a little bit more.
Joe Diamond: Do a little bit more. ’cause I, I want to, I I, I, I have a theory, I have one more theory of what they can do next, but let’s hear the end of it. Um,
Christa Innis: um, he genuinely believes they like me. I don’t know how I feel about this fiance anymore.
Joe Diamond: Oof, oof.
Christa Innis: How many times you have to be told by your parents.
She’s the problem. She’s a gold digger. She’s, are you sure you wanna do this?
Joe Diamond: It’s definitely been toxic. Positive too much in my life. I, I can’t throw stone in that house. Uh. Continue. Okay. Uh, I, I, I, I still say, okay, he, he’s not the red flag. That’s been the biggest red flag for him so far. He’s still doing all.
Christa Innis: Yeah, he’s not, he, I definitely wouldn’t call him a red flag. I think he’s definitely more, um, he’s trying to keep the peace, uh, like, like she said, but it’s also, you have to look at the dynamic of his mom being very controlling and maybe manipulative. So, so he’s like, I want everyone to be happy. These are people I all care about.
I they really do like you. I promise you just don’t know them yet. You know, like that kind of thing. So that’s hard. Um, so she genuinely believes they like me and are just concerned, but I don’t see how someone can like me while believing I’m fake manipulative and using him. He broke down crying and said he doesn’t know how much more conflict he can take.
And honestly now I don’t know what to do either. He’s extremely involved with his family. He works for the family business. Oh,
Joe Diamond: called it. I called it, I called that I did, did did.
Christa Innis: Mind reader.
Joe Diamond: Mind Reader totally called that? Totally, yes.
Christa Innis: Okay. You might really be honest. Something. And they don’t want her stealing from this family business or learning the secrets.
Maybe. Did,
Joe Diamond: did they say that? Did they say
Christa Innis: that? So I just am implying. Okay.
Joe Diamond: Okay. I was gonna say. Okay. Alright.
The Only Way Forward: A Hard Reset
Christa Innis: Alright. Well she just said and sees most of them every single day, um, at work. So now I’m stuck wondering, do I keep the peace and hope he eventually realizes how toxic this is? Or do I finally speak up about how I feel and risk everything blowing up because I genuinely don’t know.
Alright, so she needs some advice here.
Joe Diamond: Okay. Um. Uh, keep in mind, I am a straight white man. No one should listen to me. Um, again, I do have empathy, but that’s my only superpower. Um, hey,
Christa Innis: Empathy is a great superpower.
Joe Diamond: It is a, it is a, it is a great superpower. Um, but then everything’s your kryptonite. So, um, so, okay.
I, okay. So now that, okay. Um, I, I see. So I think there are options. Um, I actually think, uh, provided it is, you know, setting aside the jokes about, you know, mob ties and everything, if it is a legitimate family printing business or, you know, brewery or something, there’s no money laundering or anything like that.
Uh, I would actually say, um. Put things on a six month hold and offer to work at the family business.
Christa Innis: Oh,
Joe Diamond: I would say, Hey, you clearly don’t trust me yet. Give me six months to, to, you know, I’ll, you know, now you’re opening yourself up to a lot of literal, you know, crap shoveling. You’re, you’ll be cleaning the toilets and all the others.
I understand this is in some ways like could be mentally and physically not the most safe. Um, but if you are in their world, in their, for lack of a better term, because they have their own culture now. Like what? You know, I was making all the jokes before, but if it’s a family business and they’re seeing each other every day, you are now this extra extra thing you, you got.
Yeah, I think there’s gotta be some level to where they can see the value of you, not just the value you bring to their son. Is that necessarily right or the best way or anything else? Probably not, but it, it is a suggestion, uh, that I think is a worthwhile exploration to take or at least offer. Mm-hmm. Um, either way I say pump the brakes a little, maybe reset some dates if you can.
Um, I know that’s a pain in the butt. I know. But so is dealing with these people forever. So like, and, and this is, this is the only like hard and fast advice I give to just about anyone. The way relationships begin, typically the way they continue.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: And I mean that with everything, with business, with, if you start having to chase a client, you don’t have to keep chasing them.
And yeah, that may be great for the once every five year payoff, uh, for that one really big event. They, they, they book you for. Um, but you’re gonna be best off with a client that will meet you on even playing field and wants to work with you as much as you wanna work with them.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. It’s
Joe Diamond: the same with romantic relationships.
If you have to keep chasing and keep texting and keep doing all this
Christa Innis: mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: You have to keep doing that Doesn’t sound like, uh, this person has that with their fiance, but they definitely have it with the parent and that is the one risk of doing this.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Joe Diamond: Um, which is, you know, not, not to say toxic cycles can’t be broken and relationships can’t be fixed.
They absolutely can. But just typically, typically as a general rule, um, even if it’s not. Like, even if the two, her and the mom-in-law become bosom buddies in 10, 15, 20 years, there’s still gonna probably be some form of tension. It’s just shifted somewhere else. Like
Christa Innis: hierarchy
Joe Diamond: or something? Yeah. Hierarchy or something.
So you, you gotta decide if it’s worth playing there. Their hierarchy game mm-hmm. For your husband. Um, ’cause like, it sounds like the husband is so ingrained in it, he’s probably not going to notice any of it. Yeah. Um, he’s probably not gonna go no contact or anything like that. I know there’s, that’s a whole other discussion of everything.
Yeah. Whole. Uh, I, I also have the opposite advice, which may be just as crazy, but may work. Um, get a prenup and elope. Mm. Get a prenup elope. It’s done. Now it’s just, do you wanna celebrate us and this new chapter of our lives,
Christa Innis: yeah.
Joe Diamond: It’s, it’s a hard re there’s gotta be some level of hard reset, whether it’s because, whether it’s eloping, whether it’s working, whether it’s, so, I, I think that’s the common thread of all these things that are coming to me, which is I think there needs to be some level needs of hard reset.
Yeah. That you have to do. You can’t expect the, the fiance, the the husband, the the son, uh, yeah. To, uh, be a part of. Because I think once, when you do any of those things, I feel like it kind of, it kind of takes care of all the other stuff.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: And means you, yes, you do have to, in some ways start over, but you know more of what you’re getting into and you at least know.
You know, the game you’re playing too, like at, at this point it sounds like you’re really trying, they’re really trying hard to play chess and the mother-in-law is the pigeon walking around, crapping on the board and strutting like it’s winning.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
So
Joe Diamond: you either gotta learn to clean it up and, and take, take care of the pigeon and ingratiate yourself in the culture because you’re not gonna teach at chess.
Yeah. But, um, there’s also this saying, uh, you know, don’t wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig lights it. Mm.
Christa Innis: So
Joe Diamond: it
Christa Innis: sounds like she Yeah. She gets mad when they like peace.
Joe Diamond: Yes. If you, you, you can’t go in wanting to like beat them at their own game or something like that if you are going to work, work or elope or any of that stuff.
It’s all gotta be from a standpoint of, look, this is. It all has the thing of this is happening, let’s do a hard reset.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: You have too much in the way of what you think about me rather than actually knowing me. So yeah. ’cause nine times outta 10, like there’s a reason. This is a, a romantic comedy or romcom or chick flick or whatever you wanna call it.
Uh, so many plots where it’s what, what’s the secret? Oh, do a girl’s trip and at the end, after they’ve had it all out and had their really big thing, they’re now best friends, you know, and make it time, just in time for the wedding, yada yada. Yeah. Uh, you know, so there, but there’s a grain of truth to that, like, you know, yeah.
There’s, there’s something and, and I don’t think the mom’s going to give any of that. You gotta either, you know, again, clean slate, Hey, it’s done. Now we’re just having the, the celebration and, you know. And it’s up to you if you wanna be a part of it.
Christa Innis: Here’s my thought, so
Joe Diamond: I’d love to hear your thought.
Christa Innis: I, I agree with you.
Where like people like that kinda want the game and once you kind of give a little bit, they’re gonna take as much as they can and they’re gonna always have that hierarchy. It’s like that quote of like, what is it? I’m gonna mess it up. It’s like, give an inch. They take a mile or whatever. It’s like they’re gonna keep going.
So maybe it’s, ’cause I’ve read some of these stories, I feel like you need to, one, I think it needs to be the fiance that puts his foot down. It can’t be you because she doesn’t like you. And it’s been very clear that she doesn’t like you. So I think the fiance has to be the one that says, this is what we’re doing.
I’m not putting up with this smack talk about about my fiance. Um, and if you keep doing this, we are gonna elope. So if they can threaten not coming, then we’re gonna threaten to elope. And maybe, again, I’ve read too many of these stories and I don’t know, again, I haven’t had this actual situation or I’ve amazing in-laws and parents that were involved in our wedding.
So yeah. I can’t say from personal experience, but from reading so many of these, I’m like, how do you, you don’t wanna play their game, but you wanna surpass their game. You wanna be
Joe Diamond: like, and, and that’s, that’s ultimately where everything I was saying was like, you know, working in the company is a way to surpass, like, yes, you’re kind of going into the game, but you’re surpassing the current game, basically.
Christa Innis: Oh yeah. You’re on the next level. You’re like,
Joe Diamond: I’m already up. You’re you’re getting around that to get directly into
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Joe Diamond: The family. Um, Sean,
Christa Innis: you’re not an amateur. You’re, you’re, you’re surpassing all their game.
Joe Diamond: Yeah, I, and I do agree with you, no matter which, if you go any of these routes, definitely. I think it does have to be the husband who says, look.
We’re if he, if if this is how it’s gonna be, then we’re gonna elope, and then you can decide if you wanna be a part of our wedding, uh, our, you know, celebrate that after the fact. Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Joe Diamond: Um, I,
Christa Innis: and then when things, I feel like then when they get kind of like, they try it again, they’re like, oh, we actually already booked this a place.
So,
Joe Diamond: yeah, exactly. Exactly. You know, and well then that’s the other thing too. Uh, the, the, the next thing I think you’re right, has to be the fiance saying that, but I think she has to be there too. It has to be the, the two of you no more, no more him going by himself.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Joe Diamond: You’re, you are direct, double Now, final thing too, ’cause again, you have, you have a, you know, a great situation with your family and your in-laws.
I’ve, I’ve got a, I, again, I’ll get to my full wedding story in a moment, but, um, I always tell people when it comes to, like my wife and I, we just, uh, we’ve been together a decade now. I always say that I think it was Bo Burnham who talked about this, but like, we are lottery winners. People are coming to for financial advice.
Christa Innis: Like,
Joe Diamond: we can’t just be like, oh, buy Powerball tickets. It clearly works. Like, you know? Right. Like, we’ve got someone who like came with not a lot of drama. So, you know, there, there is like that aspect of it. Yes, of course. Uh, but I do think there’s a, uh, there’s an opportunity to have a different perspective on this all of course.
And everything. And, and so sometimes you just know, uh, that, that said, yeah, I think the two of them together, uh, need to, he needs to tell them, but she needs to be there. It can’t be another, and, you know, maybe, maybe just two to four hour conversations about Christmas and everything that, that is, that is your life now.
You know, and you gotta, you gotta talk to, and I think talking to the, the husband or the fiance saying like, Hey, this may be how it is for a very long time. If this does not change, what’s the game plan? What is, yeah. Because you can’t just expect it’s going to be better one day. Um, and they need, they need to work with you on that.
Um,
Christa Innis: yeah, that’s,
Joe Diamond: uh, anyways, that’s, that’s, that’s my, my final that’s on that. Good
Christa Innis: advice. Okay.
Joe Diamond: So I got married on Friday the 13th in November of 2020.
Christa Innis: Whoa. Okay.
Joe Diamond: So, and on purpose too, this was not cancellation, this is not reschedule. So we got engaged, we had been together and living together for a few years and we had gotten engaged, uh, uh, day after Christmas in 2019 in Hawaii.
So like we came home after New Year’s and we were engaged and we initially talked about a longer engagement ’cause we were already living together. We wanted to take some time and plan. Um. Then COVID hit. Um, I am an independent sole proprietor, small business owner, independent artist, insurance, all that.
Uh, so being on her insurance would be the better call also, without getting too much into that. And, um, my late mothers will just say religious and political affiliations. If I were in the hospital, I would want my wife, Lindsay to be in charge of making those decisions. Not my mom. And my mom is no longer with us, but, you know, that’s a whole other, that’s a whole other conversation for another podcast.
But at the time, at the time she was alive and I was like, no, I don’t like, and I, when I told that to Lindsay, she was like, oh, we should do this like soon. Mm-hmm. And we realized, oh my gosh, like there’s all these social distance weddings happening.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: And. We, we looked at a few venues and stuff, but turns off, if you wanna get married on Friday the 13th, during a pandemic, you get it’s open deals, you get deals.
We got the Grand Geneva for a deal. Yeah. Uh, it was, and, and we had the dinner, uh, at individual tables downstairs. It was less than 20 people. Uh, it was our us our parents. My best friend officiated the wedding. Uh, so he was able to be there. Uh, I had three out of four grandparents still alive at that point, so, uh, and she had one, uh, still alive, so they all got to be there a bit.
Um, and I was like, oh, we’re getting married Friday the 13th. Ha ha ha. We’re tempting fate. Uh, yeah. Uh, three weeks before the wedding we got COVID.
Christa Innis: Oh no,
Joe Diamond: it was right on the cusp, like literally like five days before the wedding was when we were like no longer contagious. Oh
Christa Innis: my gosh. You’re like counting the days.
Joe Diamond: We were, we were, and we were just worried like, oh my God, are we gonna be able to taste the food? Like that was, we were still, we were still worried about it. Um, but yeah, but like when people say, oh, you got married on Friday the 13th, that’s very on brand for you. And I say, yeah, in 2020. Well,
Christa Innis: they’re like, wait,
Joe Diamond: yeah, in November.
Oh, oh
Christa Innis: my gosh.
Joe Diamond: Got a heck of a deal. And since then, her younger sister got married and my parents-in-law, uh, have said several times, both during the planning, before, during and after. You two did it the right way. That’s all, that’s all they said. And I was like, all right, good.
Christa Innis: All right. I love it. Okay, so I know we’re kind of running outta time, but I know you wanted to do another little
Joe Diamond: mental do this.
Yeah. Well, it’s, uh, so it’s parts, um, it, it’s, it’s not so much mind reading, more so kind of a, a, a mystical guided visualization, uh, that everyone can, uh, play along with. Um, it really accesses, you know, the imagination and so forth. And at the end, I’ll kind of tell you the, the hidden meaning behind all of it.
Uh, so, um, it’s a way to connect, not even really with me, but with yourself Now. Just, just a couple other quick things too. Uh, number one, um, uh, this is not a, uh, you know. It’s not, it’s not like a, you know, I’m not gonna try to guess like anyone’s pin code or anything through this. No one’s gonna be hypnotized or anything like that.
It’s just a visualization. So if you wanna close your eyes for this, you can, uh, Christa, but, uh, and Cynthia with everyone else. But imagine that one day you come across a secret guard, okay? A wall with vines and growth around it. Uh, but you find a small wooden door. But to open it, you need the key of virtue.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Joe Diamond: So I’m gonna list off some positive virtues and character traits. You don’t have to remember all of them. Just remember one that you see in yourself and see in others. Ready? Okay. So here we go. Remember one of these, uh, we’ve got strength tolerance, wit bravery, youth sincerity, tenacity, wisdom, balance, sensitivity.
Uh, remember one of those? Yep. Okay. Everyone else remember one, concentrate on it. Uh, and suddenly a beam of light comes down from the heavens. And in this beam is the key to this door. And the head of the key is the first letter of your virtue or character trait that you’re, you’re thinking of that you saw in yourself.
So imagine you grab that key, feel the warmth of the light shining, uh, as you put it in the lock, and slowly open the door and enter the secret garden. It’s beautiful, the plants, the wildlife, the trees. However, in the center of this garden, there’s a special tree, a tree that mystically has many different fruits growing on it.
I’ll tell you the names of, uh, all of the fruits in a moment. Now, one of these names has the letter from your key in its name. Okay? Now that letter might not be the first letter in the fruit’s name. Your letter might be in the middle or all the way at the end of the fruit’s name. Okay? So stay alert and remember the fruit that has your letter in the name.
Here we go. Apple peach, strawberry, pineapple, lemon, lime, grape, pear, orange, plum. Remember your fruit. Okay. And imagine you can reach up and pluck it from the tree. Feel it in your hands, and take a big bite of that fruit. And imagine it’s sweetness, it’s texture, it’s color, it’s bright red color. Because if you’ve listened properly and have been properly guided during this visualization, you should be imagining a strawberry.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Joe Diamond: Yes. Yes. And people can, people can, uh, let us know if they listened in that should have worked with them to, uh, again, message you on, uh, on Facebook. Leave a comment, message us on Instagram. I’m @joediamondlive on, uh, on all Instagram and, uh, social, social medias. And, uh, let us know. Let us know if it worked.
And, uh, yeah, and, and also share this with a friend too. See if it works on them.
Christa Innis: Yeah. That’s wild. Yeah. We’ll share this on, uh, we’ll do like the clip on Instagram and then we’ll share it on YouTube as well, so people can comment and, uh, and we’ll tag you so they can, it can be on your page as well. No, that’s awesome.
That, that’s a wild exercise.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on today. It was so nice meeting you and Oh, nice. And hearing about your, your journey.
Joe Diamond: Yeah. And yes, hearing, hearing your, uh, stories and everything on the podcast too have been, have been great as well. And, uh, yeah, when, uh, uh, so yeah, so I’m glad we finally able we’re to connect and make this happen, so, uh, so yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. This is great. Thanks so much.
Thank you.
Copycat Rings, Serial Cheater and Trusting Your Intuition — with Beth Hoffberg
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If the universe sends you red flags before the wedding… should you walk away?
This week’s episode is pure chaos, the kind that keeps escalating until you’re just saying “No way.” A custom engagement ring copycat, a mom who tried to wear white, a drunken brother peeing in venue plants who ended up in jail, and a groom who never stopped cheating. What started as young love quickly spiraled into generational patterns, manipulation, and betrayal.
Then, Christa sits down with certified life coach and tarot reader Beth Hoffberg to unpack intuition, soulmates, generational patterns, and the uncomfortable truth about obstacles before marriage. When is it just wedding stress… and when is it the universe trying to tell you something? If you’ve ever ignored your gut, this one’s for you.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Copycat Ring & White Dress Drama – A mother buys the exact same custom engagement ring and later tries to wear white to the wedding.
- Reception Meltdown & Jail Time – A drunken brother spirals into plant-peeing chaos, fistfights, and a three-day jail stay, turning the reception into full-blown disaster.
- Cheating Since Day One – From early infidelity to post-wedding betrayal, the groom’s behavior proves that ignored red flags don’t disappear after “I do.”
- Soulmates vs. Toxic Patterns – Beth breaks down the myth of “the one,” the danger of spiritual bypassing, and why healthy relationships still require work.
- Maid of Honor Demotion – A candid conversation about reciprocity in friendships and why it’s okay to step back when someone isn’t showing up for you.
- Wedding Red Flags as Marriage Clues – Christa and Beth discuss when wedding chaos is normal… and when it’s a preview of deeper issues to come.
- Breaking Generational Cycles – The bride ultimately chooses a different path than her mother’s toxic relationship history, proving you don’t have to repeat the past.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “When someone shows you who they are, believe them.” – Christa Innis
- “The wedding is the precursor to the marriage. If there’s chaos now, pay attention.” – Christa Innis
- “If your gut says something’s off, it usually is.” – Christa Innis
- “You can’t build a peaceful marriage on ignored red flags.” -Christa Innis
- “Keeping the peace doesn’t mean hurting yourself, it means not pouring gasoline on someone else’s fire.” – Christa Innis
- “Not every bad wedding is a sign, but when it’s one thing after another after another? That’s a pattern.” – Christa Innis
- “Ending a relationship doesn’t always mean it was a failure.” – Beth Hoffberg
- “I don’t believe in ‘the one.’ I believe in many ones.” – Beth Hoffberg
- “If you have to force someone to marry you, it’s already over.” -Beth Hoffberg
- “Your mud has purpose.” – Beth Hoffberg
- “She’s not her mom. She is her own person and she doesn’t have to repeat that pattern.” – Beth Hoffberg
- “Every wedding is going to have some things go wrong, that doesn’t mean you’re not supposed to get married. But when it’s every single area that’s drama, obstacles like that are sometimes there for a reason.” -Beth Hoffberg
*This conversation is for entertainment and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Please seek a licensed professional for your specific situation.
About Beth
Beth Hoffberg, known on TikTok as @intuitivelybeth, is a trauma-educated astrologer, intuitive tarot reader, and certified life coach with a master’s degree in Marriage and Family Therapy. With over a decade of experience, she blends psychology, spirituality, and real-life experience to help people heal from toxic relationships, trust their intuition, and build healthier partnerships.
Beth shares relationship insights, tarot readings, and astrology guidance on Tiktok (and her astrology account @astrologybeth), plus offers personal readings and coaching through her website.
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Christa Innis: Hey guys. Welcome back to another episode of Here Comes The Drama. I’m your host, Christa Innis. Before we get into today’s episode, I wanna remind you to join our one year anniversary giveaway. In order to enter, just make sure you subscribe to the podcast, subscribe to my YouTube channel, and then comment on our anniversary episode.
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Okay, so this is your, so this is your last week to enter for that giveaway. All right. On today’s episode, I am joined by Beth Hoffberg, and you know when you meet someone and you just get that instant connection where you feel like you could talk to them for hours. That was Beth for me. All of a sudden I looked at the time and I was.
Oh my gosh. I just realized we’ve been talking for like almost two hours. Um, she is just so, like, she’s such a light, but she’s so smart. She’s so, um. Kind and I dunno, I just really enjoyed talking with her. She had so much to say. We had so much to just talk on. Um, so a little bit more about Beth. She is a trauma educated, certified life coach, intuitive tarot reader, professional astrologer.
And someone with a master’s degree in Marriage and Family Therapy, who helps people heal from past experiences and build healthier romantic relationships. But she doesn’t just bring insight. She’s lived through wedding drama too. So of course she shares some of the experiences that she has from her, um, wedding.
Including demoting, her maid of honor. So that was a real story that she had to share with us. Um, that was handled in a very mature way. Um, you might know her as intuitivelybeth on TikTok or she, how people figure out if their love connection is truly aligned and she just. So many other readings there as well.
We also dive into soulmates healing, relationship, red flags, and what actually makes a partnership last beyond the wedding day. Plus. At the end of the episode, Beth does a fun little intuitive reading for the audience that you won’t wanna miss. So without further ado, here’s my episode with Beth. Enjoy.
Christa Innis: Hi Beth. Thank you for being here.
Beth Hoffberg: here Hi Christa. Thanks for having me.
Christa Innis: I’m so excited to talk to you because I feel like there’s so many different, like areas we can go with, but like starting off, I always see your tarot videos and I find they’re so interesting. I didn’t really know much about tarot growing up.
And then like I’d more and more friends kind of tell me about it and I just think it’s so interesting. so first, before I like jump the gun, can you just say a little bit about yourself, like who you are, what you do, and your background.
Beyond Your Sun Sign: Astrology, Depth, and Self-Discovery
Beth Hoffberg: Yes. So my name is Beth Hoffberg, but on TikTok, I’m intuitivelybeth and I have been a certified life coach for over 10 years.
My background actually is in psychology. I have my bachelor’s in psych and my master’s in Marriage and family therapy. And I worked like corporate jobs for a long time, but even as I’ve been getting like more and more into astrology, I’m like, oh my gosh, my chart is made to be an entrepreneur. Wow. And so I started my own businesses in, the first one that I started was in 2016.
and I’ve been doing various things since then, but I started practicing tarot, and eight years ago now. And then really just for myself. and then as the time has gone on and I’ve just like felt called in different directions and gone through my own healing process and things like that, I’ve really been focusing on it more.
I love helping people who have. Gone through trauma, get more in touch with their intuition. It’s so hard after you’ve experienced trauma to like trust yourself again. think a lot of times people are like, how will I ever trust somebody else? But really it’s so much about how do you trust you and getting in touch with like your spirit team or whatever source you wanna talk about it as.
That’s something I really like helping people with and that’s something I really had to work through after going through my own traumatic experiences.
about two years ago, I’m coming up on my two year TikTok anniversary is when I started on TikTok and I just started with tarot ’cause that seemed like that was the place I really wanted to focus.
But, lately I’ve been doing more and more astrology, like mixed with tarot for my clients and that’s like my favorite thing to do is astrology and tarot combined. ’cause I think that there’s so many powerful messages from both.
Christa Innis: I find it so interesting. Like, I was kind of saying I feel like growing up everyone knows like their sun sign.
And for anyone that’s like listening, you know, that’s like your birthdate, right? That’s like, so I’m a Virgo because I’m August. And so I remember always hearing like, oh, other people were Virgo too. And I was like, I’d be like, well, I don’t really know if I believe in astro astrology. ’cause I know they’re Virgos and words so different.
Mm-hmm. Then I started learning about like your, um, was it your moon? Your rising sign Your moon? Yep. And I’m like, and I would read about that and I was like, wait, it, it’s kind of clicking now. So interesting.
Beth Hoffberg: Yes. Do you know what your moon and rising are?
Christa Innis: Yes, I am a Sagittarius moon. Okay. And I’m a Libra rising.
Beth Hoffberg: Okay.
Christa Innis: It’s funny because at one of my corporate jobs, like we’re talking three, four years ago now, my assistant who also her name is, was Christa is, well, is still, she’s still here. Christa still her name. Yeah, she still here. Um, she was actually on the podcast a while back, but
Beth Hoffberg: she, I remember
Christa Innis: like started like sharing like different like astrology things with me and that’s when I kinda learned more about like Rising sign and she’s like, yeah, we’re both rising Libras.
And that’s why I think like, we like kind of vibe ’cause we’re like very forward facing, like friendly. And I was like, wait, what does this mean? So I find that so interesting and I think when people learn more about it, it’s, it’s really just like learning more about yourself in a way. Right.
Beth Hoffberg: Yes. Oh, it’s so funny ’cause now that like, I remember that episode because I have listened to every single podcast.
Yay. I love it. It’s one of my favorite guilty pleasures. Um, but was, once you said labor rising, I was like, oh, yes, I remember this. Because I have found that a lot of times women that I find very interesting or that I feel like I would be like interested in talking to our Libra Risings. And in my birth chart, Libra is in my 11th house, which is the House of Friendships and Networks.
And so I just feel like that’s a lot of times like, you know, where that resonates in, in my chart, that like kind of friend compatibility or like, um, networking compatibility. But yeah, my um, sun sign is Aquarius. My moon is Leo. And my rising sign is Sagittarius. And then you can go deeper and deeper, right?
Like your Mercury sign, your Venus sign, your Jupiter, who’s your chart ruler? What aspects do you have? There’s so much more to it. And the more that you dive in, the more you can see how it’s so nuanced. And I, I agree. If you just look at just your sun signs, I think it is basically meaningless,
Christa Innis: right? So, because it can, it could tie into like anyone or anything really, but yeah, when you kind of start peeling those layer or peeling those layers, you can kind of learn a bit a little bit more.
And I feel like a lot of times it’s like it’s, I dunno if taboo’s the right word, but growing up it was like, oh, what’s, you know, like, it’s kinda like this like weird thing, right? Mm-hmm. But I feel like more and more people are realizing it’s like it’s healthy and it’s good to learn about yourself in these different layers.
Mm-hmm. Um, and it’s kind of just. How the universe works. I feel like, you know, um, I dunno if that really makes sense, but I love that you come from like a background of therapy, psychology and astrology. So it’s like tying them all together. So when you give someone advice, yeah. You’re coming from multiple directions of being able to, um, you know, help them out or look, look intuitively in, in some ways.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. That’s my lens. And I think that’s even from like why I like diving so deep in astrology, the surface level of just knowing the sunshine does not resonate with me. But I don’t like being surface level on anything. So even from psychology, like I think a lot of times people are familiar with like the Myers-Briggs test.
Yes. Mm-hmm. And from my background, I do not like that test because it is, it. It doesn’t have very good, like valid validity and reliability. Like the test retest results are not very good. It’s like not really the best like test. And the people who made that test did it to try to prove their own hypothesis, which is like, not how you wanna make personality assessments.
Whoa. And so I actually really got involved in, and like, went really deep on this other assessment called the Strengths Finder. Now sometimes it’s called the Clifton Strengths Finder. And that’s actually where I became my certified life coach programming. Um, and it has 34 different strengths and every strength is a positive and it’s so much more nuanced.
And so, like I come from that lens too, like trying to dive really deep to the surface level is not enough for me. So being able to take all of the strengths that somebody has and put them into action. ’cause we all have strengths, we all have our vulnerabilities. Um, and I, I think that’s also part of astrology, right?
Like a lot of times we’ll have. The tropes about a certain sign. Um, like, like Aries for example, people are like, oh, they’re so aggressive and hotheaded because we look at like the, the negative, but the strength of Aries is like they’re gonna take action and they’re gonna fight for good things. And like if you’re in that kind of higher realm of it, that’s really good.
I like to think of it as like the balcony versus the basement.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Beth Hoffberg: And so trying to take that strengths approach and then also bringing in the trauma lens. So it’s a little lot of multi-layers, but my Aquarius mind likes that.
Yes.
Christa Innis: I love that you say that because my daughter’s in Aries and it was so funny because, so she was late, so she was like gonna be a Pisces.
It was kinda like mm-hmm. A weird like line. But one of the things I always read was like, they’re so strong-willed and I have friends that are Aries too, and um, but they’re strong-willed. And I was saying to my husband the day, I was like, it’s funny because the things that you like. Necessarily don’t want them to be as a toddler, but the things you’re kind of like, okay, like let’s you know, step back, let’s take a breath.
You want those things for when they’re older, like, use your voice. Yeah. Be strong. Like, don’t back down from people that tell, you know, or, you know, set your boundaries. And like, so I’m like, all the things that she’s like testing right now, like boundaries. I’m like, when she’s older, these are gonna be so powerful.
Like, she’s gonna be so strong-willed in like that good way of like, she’s gonna hold strong her values and like, whatever that looks like for her. Um, so I love that you say that because it really is the angle of how you’re looking at it.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. And she’s lucky to have you as her mom to teach her boundaries in such a healthy way.
’cause obviously that’s such a big part of what you teach in your content too.
Christa Innis: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. I’m, and I’m working and I’m, I’m learning myself as a, as a, uh, what do you call it? Recovering people. Pleaser as well.
Beth Hoffberg: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Um, so. With you? Like when people come to you for, whether it’s tear reading or therapy, like what do you think most people come to you for?
Like is it like love, is it, um, soul? Like, I know we were talking before about like soulmates, like questions about career life. What do you think most people come to you for?
Beth Hoffberg: So my most popular is love. That also I think tends to just be, because that’s how TikTok pushes out, right? Yeah. Um, but a lot of times my most recurring clients are gonna be people who actually do want to dive in deeper.
So we’ll work on all the areas of their life and really like, bring in the astrology and like look at, you know, maybe. If they’re trying to make a big decision or even manifest sometimes with some clients, I’ll also work on tapping with them. I don’t know if you’re familiar with a FT tapping. Basically it’s, um, emotional freedom technique where you can kind of rewire some of the traumatic beliefs that you’ve had.
It’s part of like somatic therapy work. Um, and so that’s something that I will sometimes work on with people. Again, not in like as a therapist, but more as a coach. Um, that’s a, something that I will also work on with people sometimes to just kind of rewire their beliefs and help them as they’re trying to kind of take those traumatic experiences and then like.
Put them into believing that that doesn’t have to be their story forever, because that can be really hard. But yes, definitely lots about love. Um, is this person my soulmate? Like, you know, is this person coming back? Things like that, that’s a common question that people have. I think especially because on if, if somebody has found me on TikTok, they’ve likely seen other tarot readings on TikTok also, and those are very common readings that come up on people’s fys.
And despite what a lot of other readers will say, I don’t think that just because a video comes up on your FYP, that that means it’s for you.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Beth Hoffberg: I think that’s actually kind of spiritually manipulative because. I’m sure when you are scrolling on your FYP, there’s times that you get a video and you’re like, I don’t wanna watch that.
And you just scroll by. Not every video that’s on your FYP is actually for you. The algorithm’s constantly testing it. And the same thing is true for tarot or any other spiritual message. You have to use your discernment. And that’s another big thing that I like to teach on that we gotta learn our discernment.
Yeah.
Christa Innis: It’s not like, yeah, if you’re like happily married, you see a video that’s like break up with him, you’re like, oh my gosh, I gotta break up with him. It’s like, look at your own situation. Does that apply? No. Okay. Scroll or vice versa. Exactly. If you’re looking for 11, you’re like. He’s, he is, uh, it’s an ex, you’re like, oh my gosh.
Well, my ex was toxic, but it says My, you got, I’ll take everything you see online with, you know, uh, grain of salt. Because I feel like, yeah, I just made a video the day that was like, not everything you see is made for you If you saw watching something and you’re like, uh, like, like the black, what do they call it?
The black bean theory? Like if you watch something like Yes.
Beth Hoffberg: Uh, be
Christa Innis: soup. The bean soup theory. Yeah. And you’re like, I am allergic to beans. Well, this video’s not for you. Exactly. Or apply to something else. Um, yeah, I think we live in the day and age where it’s like you have, you feel, feel like they have to comment on every single thing, even if it doesn’t necessarily apply or have nothing to do with them.
And that’s okay.
Beth Hoffberg: And then the algorithm, because you did comment on it, thinks that it is for you. So then you keep getting more of it and then you get even more in like the d Lulu. So yeah, I think that is something I do try to help people with. I try to be really specific. And then of course if somebody’s getting a personal reading, then you know it’s for you, it’s only your energy and your spirit team’s energy and no one else.
So, yeah. That’s very helpful.
Christa Innis: Do you do like in person, I know you do like, um, like you do them through social media, so if someone, if you’re, if someone’s hiring you to do a tarot reading, do they, do you do like digital? Do you do in person, do you feel, find they’re the same or different in that way?
Beth Hoffberg: I do it all digitally because that was something that I found was really needed for my own health.
Um, so I am, I, I previously was diagnosed with PTSD and something that I found in terms of like reclaiming myself was being able to just like, be fully free and setting my schedule and operating when like my nervous system was regulated. And also in operating, when I feel spiritually attuned, I’m not, you know, unable to be like if there’s certain astrological transits that are happening sometimes that makes me be like, oh my God, I can tap in so easily.
And sometimes I’m like, this is a fog I’m not gonna read for somebody right now. So I don’t like to schedule people because I like to be able to read for people when I’m like, I am in my power right now. Let’s go. And so people will purchase something from me on my website, fill out their questions and everything.
And then I can just set the exact ambiance that I need for myself and then record it, and then I send them a link that they can watch as many times as they want. So I think a lot of times people like that because then they can sit with it, they can pause, they can reflect on the message. Um, I just finished doing a bunch of 2026, like year ahead readings, and those are like 90 minutes of recorded video.
It’s too much to take in in one sitting.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Beth Hoffberg: And understand everything. So I’m like, you know, pause it here and then take notes for the next part. And yeah, so that’s how I like to personally do it. And then I can also make sure that I’m really like tapping into their energy. And I do a lot of energetic cleansing in my own space.
I always have crystal grids and, you know, stuff like that to tap in. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Oh, I love that. Yeah. I feel like that’s like, that’s really powerful. And it’s true. Like if you do like an in-person reading, I mean, I feel like the same about like a therapy session or something. Sometimes you’re like, wait, what did they say about this?
Beth Hoffberg: Yes.
Christa Innis: You know? So I feel like that’s really good about being able to be able to like, watch it and like pick it apart and be like, okay, what does this mean? How can I tie this to my own life? How does this apply? And, you know, answering those questions, you know, for yourself too.
Beth Hoffberg: Exactly. And sometimes I also go live on TikTok and we’ll do readings live for people.
And I’ve had people who have gotten live readings and do like through my website readings. And a lot of times people like kind of for the live readings to just get something that they need a quicker answer on or something short. Or maybe just like, what does Spirit wanna tell them right in that moment versus something deeper like trying to make bigger decisions or really understanding of a whole area of their life.
Or they want me to bring in the astrology, I gotta, I can’t do that like in the five minutes on live. So yeah, I have to study their charts. So, um, that people, that’s kind of how people like to separate it too.
Ending Doesn’t Mean Failing: Rethinking Divorce and Love
Christa Innis: Yeah. So how did you, I know you said you like started to study it, but like what kind of like led you down this path and like how did you like start kind of getting in tune, I guess with everything and, you know, being able to do these readings?
Beth Hoffberg: So I started with tarot. I was on a trip, and this actually was the trip that my ex-husband and I decided to separate on. We were on our five-year anniversary trip and on that trip we decided we were going to separate and it was very amicable, but we were in a very spiritual place. We were in Sedona, Arizona, and I already had, as part of the trip, scheduled a tarot reading with somebody.
And it was my first reading with somebody who I truly felt was like a legit professional, like actually tarot reader and, and had psychic abilities. And the first card of my reading was the tower card, which if you or anyone listening is familiar with tarot tends to be the card people are the most terrified of.
And that was the start of my tarot journey. Um, but it was so on point. It was literally like my whole life was about to be up peeved, like an upheaval of my life and. But I was gonna come out, you know, in the end in a better way. And yeah, that kind of got me started. And then that tarot reader encouraged me to get this one app called the Golden Tarot.
It’s free. I recommended it to people as well. ’cause that helped me to just pull a card every day and start learning the cards, just even through the app. Then somebody gifted me a deck and I started playing with that. It all kind of gradually happened. Um, after my divorce, I got into another relationship of some time later and that turned out unfortunately to be a, an abusive relationship.
And during that time I was working with a spiritual coach who helped me a lot and I was also doing therapy and all sorts of other things. But I was finding how a lot of times, like the truth that I thought it was because I was being gaslit. I was getting so conflicted in like my intuitive space versus what was real and, and shutting down my intuition a lot.
So then when I finally ended that relationship and went through the healing of that, um, and again, like lots of not just spiritual work but lots of therapy, somatic therapy, working with like, um, trauma-informed yoga instructor, I was doing sound bath healing, like so many different modalities really to come back to myself.
And that’s when I was like, okay. Part of why I felt so bad in that relationship was ’cause I was shutting down my own intuition. And so as I started to open it back up and I, I even relocated to somewhere that I could just focus on having my own piece and having nervous system regulation. I felt like things were just unlocking.
And that’s when I really started to dive super, super deep into tarot. And that’s when I was like, okay, I’m ready to, um. Like do this for other people now too, after I felt like I had gone through my own work, and I think that’s really important when anyone is working with a coach or someone that’s a healer or something to understand what have they already gone through, what healing have they done before you just buy into like them coaching or guiding you.
Christa Innis: Yeah. No, I think that’s a great, that’s a great point because you want someone that’s gone through that kind of same or similar like healing journey or like understanding of it through that lens because if someone’s just coming to you just to like sell you or make a dollar off you or something, then it could be perceived as, you know, I don’t know, like not.
Authentic or something, you know?
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. And like, I don’t think that they necessarily have to have gone through all the same problems or anything. But for example, if somebody was gonna try to find a therapist and their therapist isn’t also in therapy, like that’s a huge red flag.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Beth Hoffberg: Therapists are supposed to also be in therapy.
Like we get taught that in school for sure. So just things like that. If they’re not also doing the work on themselves, they’re probably not in a space to be guiding others, so. Yeah. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Okay. That’s so interesting. Um, so kind of talking into like, I feel like there’s so many different directions we can go right now, so I’m like, okay.
I know you talked about like your own divorce. Mm-hmm. And you talked about how that’s kind of like taught you a lot about, about yourself and that kinda led you down this journey. So what would you say like your own divorce taught you about like love and partnership and then how would, like you give advice now?
Mm-hmm. Do people come to you and ask like. How do you kinda use that for your advice, if that makes sense? Like, um, I know you had kind of talked about that as like kinda like your guiding point to like your next stage.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah, so it’s interesting because I, like, I have my, the, my marriage and divorce and then another very big relationship.
Those aren’t the only two relationships I’ve ever had in my life, but they’re two very like, prominent relationships. And my marriage ended extremely amicably. Like we ended up, essentially, I had miscarried three times and my husband decided he didn’t wanna have kids anymore and I did still wanna have kids.
And so we decided that was, we couldn’t continue. And so we ended up parting ways, but um, I was able to take a lot of things from that relationship and know what I would want in future partners. ’cause there were lots of really beautiful things. We were really good partners in many ways. And then the experience of the grief and how that can.
You know, cha, that it’s actually very common that when people lose a child or something like that, that is a very common time that people end up getting divorced. Unfortunately, it’s really sad. And then in my other, my, that other relationship that I had been in, um, I had, I felt like I had manifested him because I was working a lot of manifestation and I was working through things of like, um, okay, spirit, I want this and this and this and this.
And the rest can basically be the same as like my, um, ex or whatever. And then when I met the second person, he and my ex-husband actually had the exact same birthday and I just thought that was like a sign, right? This
Christa Innis: is it. Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Yes. And there were so many other things, and then there were certain things I was like, well, I guess I wasn’t specific enough about that.
Like he was working on himself, but there were things that were not healthy. Mm-hmm. And so. I, I think it taught me about how there is the ability to manifest that people come into your life for specific reasons. You can ask spirit for certain things and people will come in, but that doesn’t mean that they’re supposed to be your forever person.
And also, I would say that ending a relationship doesn’t mean it’s a failed relationship. Like my re my marriage did not last for the entirety of my life, even though I definitely thought that it would. I never thought I would be somebody who would get divorced or anything like that, but it ended. But I wouldn’t call my relationship a failure.
I still think it was actually very successful. And I think that that framework is also really helpful, especially as I’m working with people who are trying to, you know, they wanna get towards a life partner. And realizing that you can be in relationships that you need to be in, in order to learn how to become the person that you want to be in your life partnership.
Um, maybe if you were to meet. The person that you think would be for you in your twenties. You haven’t gone through enough things that you needed to go through, you didn’t learn enough yet. So then that relationship would fail, so to speak. Or not last the lifetime, but if you meet them when you’re in your thirties because you had other experiences with other people, it is gonna work out.
Um, sometimes I think people think of that as like right person, wrong time. But I think it’s like both people are not the right people at the time. They’re It’s wrong person, wrong time. Yeah. You need the timing to be right. And so, yeah, I think it’s just this idea of like. Relationships can end and still be successful.
I try to think about it also from like a job standpoint. A lot of times we leave a job because we got everything we needed from that job and now we’re ready for the next thing. And it wasn’t because we failed at that job, it was actually because we reached the pinnacle of success and now it’s time for something else.
And we wouldn’t be like, oh, you failed because you got another job that paid you more money and gave you better hours and was more fulfilling for you. That’s not a failure that you left. And so I think if you can approach relationships in that same way of like sometimes the relationship is no longer meeting where we’re at.
Hmm, and it could still be successful, but now you have to leave that or it ends for whatever reason, so that you can go to the next thing that’s actually even better and is gonna be more aligned for your future and more fulfilling to you and your purpose in the long run.
Christa Innis: I love that. That’s like healing in itself that you said that because I mean, it’s so much, I feel like it’s so much easier for us to look back and be like, oh yeah, that relationship didn’t serve me.
But like there, there was someone that I dated like in college and I remember like thinking like, oh, like this is the one I could go into like a long story, but looking at how that ended and what happened, um, again, kind go into more detail, but I won’t for privacy reasons. But he did not treat me great.
And um, but looking back, I’m like, I would’ve been, if I stayed, I would’ve been stuck in the same like hoopla of like small town where I lived. Um, probably just trying to please him my whole life. Like, oh, do this. And I don’t think I would’ve done any of the career things I’ve done because I would’ve been so like stuck in that mind frame.
And then even like my current, my relationship, my, her, my husband, I feel like you’re talking about different people. If you look at us, when we started dating, we were completely different people, obviously. Like at the core, I think we were the same, but we’ve changed so much about our personal life, our morals, our belief, you know, so, so many different things.
And I think the hardest or most challenging points in our relationship or during those changes because like one person might change in one direction, one person might change in this direction. Um, and like now we’re, you know, mid and late thirties, so we’re more like. Okay, this is more who I am. But definitely those, you know, you look back and I’m like, I would, who is that girl?
Who’s that young woman that I was, I was so different then. So it’s very interesting that you say that too. ’cause I’m like, oh, if we would’ve just met now, would’ve been different. Or we also went to high school together. We did not know each other. But I’m like, definitely if we met in high school, it would’ve been wrong.
Completely wrong.
Beth Hoffberg: Yep.
Christa Innis: But it’s just interesting that you say that. ’cause I think so many times we’re focused on like, um, you know, like what, what our goal is of like, okay, dating someone, getting married, like all these steps and maybe that’s not how it should always go. Right?
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. And I think we are more comfortable with that sometimes for friendships.
Sometimes it, we do like to have friends that last our whole lifetimes, but a lot of times people are like, yeah, I was friends with this person in college and no one is like. Wait, you’re not friends with every single person that you were besties with in college. You must be a failed friend. Like, no, that’s just we, there’s different people at different stages of our life and that the same thing can be true in romantic relationships.
And then there’s gonna be people that you meet that are gonna stand the test of time and do grow and evolve with you. And that’s beautiful. But not everybody is gonna be like that.
Christa Innis: Right. And I feel like we need to stop guilting ourselves and others. It’s not necessarily always good verse bad. ’cause I, yes.
I think the video too about like friendship breakups and I think in the moment we’re like, oh, they’re the bad friend. I’m getting away from that toxic friend. But then you look back and you’re like, no, was really good or bad. I think we just kinda had different roads ahead of us.
Beth Hoffberg: Exactly.
Soulmates vs. ‘The One’: What’s Actually Healthy?
Christa Innis: And needed to go that way.
So do you believe in your work and stuff, do you believe that soulmates are a thing are real? Because I feel like people are back and forth.
Beth Hoffberg: I do, and I actually posted relatively recently too about a video, like asking the deck if, uh, well, and really the deck isn’t its own entity, but like, spirit through the deck if soulmates were real.
I do strongly believe that soulmates are real. Um, I do not believe in twin flames. I think Twin Flames is very different and very toxic.
Christa Innis: Really? Oh, you okay. So Twin flames you, so you think they are a thing, but they’re not good? Or do you think
Beth Hoffberg: they’re not? I don’t, I think the concept of Twin Flames is not real.
Okay. And that the belief in Twin Flames is a very unhealthy, like kind of, um, I’m try not to use like a negative, uh, word that you’re gonna have to bleep. Okay. It’s okay. But like, I think it’s like, uh, um. Manipulation of spiritual messaging in a very unhealthy and toxic way. And I think it keeps people attached to people in abusive relationships and toxic cycles.
And there’s a lot of spiritual bypassing soulmates, I think is very different, but I also think soulmates can be in very, very forms. One of my strongest soulmates in my life was my dog. Mm-hmm. Um, so you can have soulmates that are pets, kids, family members, friends, teachers could be soulmates and, and romantic people can also be soulmates.
But not every soulmate is meant to be in your life for the entirety of your life. Some are, some aren’t, and you’re not gonna necessarily meet every soulmate that’s available out there for you. You’ll, or do
Christa Innis: you think
Beth Hoffberg: that’s what I think
Christa Innis: people have multiple soulmates in their lifetime? Yes.
Beth Hoffberg: Yes.
Christa Innis: Okay. Okay.
So I think, okay, so I agree with you. So in the beginning I was like, and of course I have no background in any of this. This is just, you can believe it. A random, random person saying it. But, um, ’cause I always say to people, I don’t believe in soulmates, but I’m speaking more of like one per like, like the universe, the one God, whatever you believe in.
Yes. There’s one, one person here, one person here, they’re born and they have to find each other. And there’s only one,
Beth Hoffberg: I don’t believe in the one.
Christa Innis: Okay.
Beth Hoffberg: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: That’s why I’m saying
Beth Hoffberg: I believe in many ones, but I also, so, and also like, even if you meet somebody who could be like one of your ones, doesn’t mean that it’s just gonna be sunshine and rainbows.
You still have to put in the work to make that relationship work.
Christa Innis: Thank you. Yes.
Beth Hoffberg: And. Just because relationships take work doesn’t mean that putting in the work is gonna work with everybody. So you could meet somebody who is not for you. You could think that you’re, they’re soulmates and you could try to put in the work and it’s not gonna work because you’re just not meant to be together.
Like, that’s, that’s my belief. At least that’s what I, yeah,
Christa Innis: no, I totally love this and I believe it because I’ve heard such this, like, negative is not the right word. I view it negatively, I think. But like that idea that there’s one person out there that you have to search for and they’re waiting for you and they’re your one romantic chance, you know, to like have this romantic partner.
And I think then people think it’s gonna be butterflies and rainbows, like you said. Mm-hmm. Like if it’s your soulmate, you won’t have to like go through like, you know, a discussion or like figure, have conflict or figure things out. It should just be perfect. And I think that’s where like movies kind of get us as kids, like Disney movies of like, oh, that’s their person.
They’re married happily ever after. And, um, that’s why I always say, I’m like, well, I don’t believe in one soulmate because I feel like I have to work at it. Like we’ve worked together every day. Like sometimes it’s like us, you know, us first the problem or it’s us kinda that next step or, um, and I feel like any, you know, couple that like wants to work together, they can make it work.
But like you said, not every couple’s gonna work. No. No matter what you try, it’s just not gonna work. Mm-hmm. Um, and vice versa. So, no, I love that you say that because I feel like there’s such this interesting dialogue around soulmates and what they are and who they are.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. And I do think your true soul, your true soulmates, whoever that is, they are going to push you in some ways because at least my belief is that we are supposed to grow throughout our lifetime here.
That’s part of the human experience is to evolve and to grow and to self-actualize into, into create all these different parts of ourselves. And so somebody who is really aligned with you is gonna push you to do that. They’re gonna create a safe space for you to do that. Even in the healthiest of relationships, you’re gonna get triggered.
But it’s being able to come back from that. And I say all of that, and also caution that if you’re constantly being triggered by somebody or constantly having all this conflict, then that’s, that’s not the same, right? Right. So it should, there should be times of peace. And there’s also studies that show that if you’re.
Not happy generally, and like see positive things around at least 65% of the time, the relationship is not going to last. Mm-hmm. So that’s also, yeah. That brings in my like, science side of
Christa Innis: No, I love that
stuff.
Beth Hoffberg: And like using that kind of stuff. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. No, I love that stuff. And I, I truly believe in like soulmates as friends too, because there’s been like women, amazing women that I’ve met in my life that like, we’ve just like clicked and I’m like, do I know you from another lifetime?
Like, it’s so, it, and it’s so interesting. Like, I’ve like female friendships and like, stuff like that. I feel like it’s just like a study in itself because there’s just women that I’ve, like, again, some, some of the chapters had closed, but I would never have an ill word to say about them.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah.
Christa Innis: But then there’s some that I’ve met that I’m like still lifelong friends and it’s just like, there’s just something about like meeting them and I’m just like, our souls are aligned.
Like, I like conversation. Yeah. Um, okay. I know, I feel like I could talk to you about so many different things. You’re so knowledge. That’s
Beth Hoffberg: good
Demoting a Maid of Honor & Friendship Boundaries
Christa Innis: things. But I know we have a limited time too. Um, but getting into, I’m gonna kind of switch gears getting into like wedding drama. I know you have a maid of honor kind of drama story, so do you wanna talk more about that?
You had to demote a maid of honor.
Beth Hoffberg: I did have to, and then I’m glad we talked about like the friends concept already because I wouldn’t say that this was like a failed friendship. This, so my original maid of honor was when I was married before she was my best friend from high school and I had been her maid of honor.
Um, and she got married pretty close to when we graduated from college. Like she got married younger than, um, I did. And so yeah, I was her maid of honor and I did a lot for her wedding. I planned and paid for not the entire bachelorette, but I, I planned the entire bachelorette and paid for like a lot of it myself.
I planned and also paid for an entire shower, and it was a couples shower, which for what it’s worth, I think that’s so cool to do a couple shower. I love the like non-gender conforming things, but, um, I, there was a lot and I was in my master’s program. It wasn’t like I was rolling in the D at this time.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Um, and I did a lot of like extra thoughtful gifts. She also had another shower that I also attended her wedding. Um, we’re, we’re from the Chicago suburbs. I know you are too, are from that area, but, and her wedding was in Madison, Wisconsin. So it wasn’t that far, but it also required an overnight stay.
So there was still like, you know, the hotel and all of that
Christa Innis: all
Beth Hoffberg: adds up. Um, yeah, it all added up. But some of the other like extra thoughtful things that I did, um, her, I, for her, like something old, something new, something broad, something blue. I created a garter for her ’cause I knew she wanted to do a, a special garter.
So she had like a, a, um, garter toss garter. But this was back when we were still doing that stuff. I don’t think that
Christa Innis: kind of dying out a little bit.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah, that’s, that’s not a thing anymore. But I actually do think this, like this keepsake thing is actually kind of cool. You don’t toss this one. Um. And we got fabric from her mom’s wedding dress from her grandma, from her dad.
And like we sewed, me and my mom did this, and we sewed it onto her garter. So her garter like, had all these like special people with her on the day. Um, my, the person I was seeing at the time, um, he took a picture of her and her fiance and that, like one of their favorite pictures. And then he hand drew it, like, and it looked amazing.
I, and I don’t know if they still at this time, but I know like many years later they still had that like, hanging in their bedroom. So it’s like a lot of very, very special, like extra thoughtful things. Okay, so fast forward years to my wedding, and I knew I wanted to have a very small bridal party. I only, it was three people on my side, three people on his side.
And one of those people was my brother and his sister. So it was literally just two friends each. And so I wanted her to be one of the people that was in mine, but I really kind of was like, my best friend from college I felt like was maybe more like the right maid of honor for me. And so I was like, okay, it’s fine.
Um, well she was, you know, in a different stage of her life at that time now too. So now she’s pregnant. And I am living in Charlotte, North Carolina at the time, so I’m like, okay, you know, I don’t really wanna do like a big bachelorette, that’s not my scene. Like I, I was like 29 or something. 28. 28. Um, and I was just like, I didn’t, I didn’t wanna do that.
So my best friend from college, she and I just went to Mexico by just, just ourselves for like a bachelorette. Mm-hmm. I was like, we don’t need to do a bachelorette for my wedding showers. I flew back to the Chicago area and we had two wedding showers on the same weekend, so it was back to back. So it was like if you were having to travel, it was fine.
She didn’t travel in, was just like a couple hours away and she didn’t come to either of them.
Christa Innis: Oh.
Beth Hoffberg: And I was like, you didn’t even have to plan them, but you could like come
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Um, and stay for free at your mom’s house who lives like five minutes from where the shower
Christa Innis: is. Yeah. It’s odd to not even like try to come And did she RSVP no or just like, was
Beth Hoffberg: she RSVP No, she said that she could just couldn’t come because of everything that was going on, but I was just like, she was pregnant.
She was pregnant and But it wasn’t to the part of the pregnancy yet where like, you’re not supposed to like drive.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Or be and yeah. So, but I was like, okay. I mean, I get it. Like I was, I I, I was like, okay. Um, but then as we’re like getting closer to the wedding, I was like. Wanting everybody to come in from the bridal party.
’cause we didn’t do bachelor. My, my, um, ex-husband also didn’t do a bachelor party. We just literally were like, we just want our bridal party to come in one extra day early so that we can all hang out together for one night. That’s all we had asked of them. And that, yes, they were gonna need to travel ’cause we were, you know, nobody else lived in the same city that we were living in, but that’s all that we were asking.
And she couldn’t do it. And she wasn’t even gonna make it to the rehearsal the next day on time. And so I was like, I just, I I just felt like the, the reciprocity wasn’t there.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: And I, so I was like, you know what? I just think it would be better for you to just. I would still love for you to come to the wedding, but I think it would just be better if you just come to the wedding and as a guest and then that’s cool.
Um, yeah, so because, because at that time she would also have had her baby. We were having a child-free wedding and so I was just like, come as a guest, her, her mom was gonna come and like, take care of her child. And I didn’t feel bad about that either. ’cause my parents also were involved with like, um, helping on her wedding too.
So like,
Christa Innis: yeah,
Beth Hoffberg: it’s fine. But yeah. And then I ended up having my best friend that had taken me to Mexico. She was my maid of honor for real. And, and then I asked one of my friends from childhood to step in and I felt bad ’cause it was like I should have asked her from the get go and it felt bad. It was like a replacement, but she understood, um, it was fine.
It was no hard feelings. So, but it did kind of lead to me and my original maid of honor, my high school friends. Like we just. We just kind of like separated ways. Then I felt like, um, the reciproc, yeah, the reciprocity just wasn’t there. Mm-hmm. And that I just didn’t feel like as seen or cared for in a way that I felt like I, I like had deserved.
I guess so.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. I
Christa Innis: feel light to stop. Hold on.
Beth Hoffberg: It’s okay.
Christa Innis: I’m like, of course it’s dying, like right in the middle. Um, let me see if I have another light.
Beth Hoffberg: Sorry. Hold on. You’re fine.
Christa Innis: Okay. So when you had to demote this maid of honor, how did that, like how was her response? Do you feel like it was like something, anything changed in the relationship or do you feel like it was okay after that happened?
Beth Hoffberg: Well, she definitely agreed that that was gonna be for the best because also I, she was also like iffy on even if she could make it to pictures.
And I was just like, you have like one job. Like I literally have barely asked you to do like anything. Like can you just, I, and I understand she was going to be in a new phases of life of like being a new mom, but I also think, you know, sometimes we have to make sure we’re still celebrating the people that are in phases of life that like we were celebrated in when we were in that phase.
Yes. It’s hard. I, I, I do see why it would be difficult for her to travel. I, I get that, but also it’s like, I, I need one day. Like, remember, so.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. So she, she agreed that that was gonna be for the best and I was happy that she was gonna still be coming. I was very happy about that. And we did have fun at the wedding, but.
I honestly don’t think we’ve even seen each other since. We do live in different states and everything, but it’s just been like much, much more distant ever since then. Something else that kind of felt like, uh, the icing on the cake, so to speak, was even from like the gifts I had put so much thought and energy into the gifts that I was giving to her.
So personalized, like lifetime keepsakes, and for me, she got like. Six wine glasses off my registry. Mm-hmm. And like, yes, I was registered for them, but like also that was more for me to be able to have for guests ’cause I’m allergic to wine.
Christa Innis: Oh.
Beth Hoffberg: And she knew that. And I was like, this is not personable at all.
So I just was like, this relationship is just like met the end of it. Main course, I guess, you know? Yeah. So, and that’s okay. Um, and, and
I
Christa Innis: feel like moments like that kind of like make it clearer, like, okay, mm-hmm. This is our last big hurrah. And then that’s sad because yeah, it’s like definitely like being pregnant or having kids changes things.
But like for me, like I was a maid of honor when I was like six months pregnant and I was like, gonna still do everything as possible, like mm-hmm. I was still planning the bachelorette. I was, we were on a boat for the bachelorette. Granted at that part, I was still pretty, I think I was 15 weeks, but still, it was like, I remember I was like a nervous Nelly when I was pregnant, so I was like, okay, we’re gonna go on this yacht on Lake Michigan.
Okay. But, um, yeah, you, you still make some sacrifices for friends and at least. Making effort or showing that you’re interested in being there and excited for them? I definitely,
Beth Hoffberg: yeah, I just didn’t feel that, and I, I don’t like having a ton of attention on me despite being on TikTok. But like in, in a group like that, like I don’t really like being around a ton of people at once or things like that.
And so just, I just, that’s why even I wanted a small bridal party, but I just needed to know that the, the two people I was really choosing to be on my side. Nothing against his sister, but like that was, that was his sister,
Christa Innis: right? Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Um, she was very supportive. Love her, but like. The people that I was gonna have there, I wanted to really like, I needed them to be there for me.
There were all sorts of other dynamics going on that like, I needed that. And so I’m, I’m very thankful I made the choice. And then the person who I really did wanna have be my maid of honor, she was my maid of honor for real. And that all worked out really well. And yeah, I, I know I made the right choice because I saw something some, like months ago that was, it was like a question on Instagram or something that was like, if you were to walk into a room and every person that you’ve ever met in your entire life.
Dead and alive was in that room, who’s the first person you would seek out? Mm-hmm. And my first reaction is like, that is terrifying. Like that is way too many people. I would be so overwhelmed. Yes, there would be people who I would be so excited to see. And there’d also be people who I would be wanting to avoid for my safety.
Whatever the person I would most seek out is the person who was, and actually was my maid of honor, my best friend from college. Even though we live in separate states and we don’t get to see each other very often, and you know, we talk with not like the most frequency either, but I just know that she, I could be like, oh my gosh, Christa, like, and she would be like, I got it.
And like, that’s, that’s who I needed by my side in that moment. And, and that’s who I would still count on. I would then, you know, then I would wanna see like my grandpa that passed away and stuff like that. But like the first person I would seek out is the person who would be my like regulat.
Christa Innis: Yeah. No, that’s a great like, exercise for people getting married to be like, do you visualize those people there?
Yeah. And to listen to your gut, because it’s funny that you say you had a gut feeling kind of in the beginning too, because this, I read a story yesterday that will be out on YouTube, but like, um, she literally starts it with the, that I had a gut feeling about a friend, and it wasn’t made of honor or anything.
It was about just inviting her to the wedding. She was like, I don’t know. I had a gut feeling and my gut was kind of saying no. But then the friend reached out and was like, I need to come to your wedding.
Beth Hoffberg: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: And she said yes. And it, like, all these weird things happen. And so it really is about listening to your gut about people in your wedding and, um.
Making those calls and, and it sounds like you guys had a really like, mature conversation about it and like both people were mature because you hear of those where it’s like they get so offended because they’re not in the wedding anymore. It’s like, well this is, I’m doing this ’cause it’s best for both of us.
Yeah. Not just me. I’m not being selfish or rude. This is what’s best for both of us. And I think when people respond, it shows a lot about like, both people’s character.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah, definitely.
Wedding Red Flags That Predict Marriage Problems
Christa Innis: Yeah. All right. Let’s get into, I, I’m like, I’m like noticing the time and I’m like, oh my gosh, I could talk to you for so long.
Because when we start talking about like, astrology and like personality tests and I don’t know that stuff, I like, love any of it. Anyways, let’s get into some quick wedding hot takes and then we’ll get, let’s do it into, um, the story submission. Okay. Um, okay, this is gonna be a little red flag, green flag.
Are you, are you up for that?
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Okay. Um, they propose after six months and say, I just know.
Beth Hoffberg: I think that it depends on the age and how often they’ve been actually spending time with each other, um, and what other experience they’ve had. So, I’m sorry to say that that’s like an, it depends. Yeah. If they are less than 25, that is a hot no for me.
I’m sorry. Like your brains are not fully developed. It’s no offense. Like it’s just the reality. Your brains are not fully developed. You don’t know after six months if you are older and you’ve been in serious relationships and you are spending time with each other and you’ve seen people in the different seasons, like you’ve seen them be.
Angry. You’ve seen them go through something hard and like, and things like that, then I think that that six months is okay. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
Christa Innis: A lot of these I feel like are hard to say, red flag, green flag, green flags. They’re not so obvious. And there is a lot of nuance to these, right? You could never say like, oh, it’s completely a red flag.
And then someone listening is like, well, we got engaged after six months. Now we’ve been married for 25 years. And it’s like,
Beth Hoffberg: totally.
Christa Innis: There’s always a scenario where it can absolutely be good, but okay, your partner’s mom says, I’ll pay for the wedding, but I need a final say.
Beth Hoffberg: Uh, I think that that is a red flag.
Um, yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: It’s holding money over you and Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah,
Beth Hoffberg: it’s tough.
Christa Innis: Um, your fiance refuses premarital counseling because we’re fine.
Beth Hoffberg: It doesn’t even matter what the rest of it is. Immediate red flag
Christa Innis: immediately.
Beth Hoffberg: Refuses for marital counseling. Red flag. But what is the rest of it?
Christa Innis: It just, he says because we’re fine or I should say, they say we’re fine.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. Red, red, red, red.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Bright ride.
Christa Innis: Um, they want a huge wedding, but you’d rather elope and they dismiss you.
Beth Hoffberg: The dismissing itself is a red flag. Um, the disagreeing isn’t a red flag, but the dismissing is a red flag.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Agree. Your fiance wants their ex invited to the wedding to keep things peaceful.
Beth Hoffberg: Um, I need a little more context. If it’s the ex and it’s like their child’s parent mom or something, and they like, okay, I could understand that situation, but if it’s just like their ex and they have no other ties to each other, immediate, no.
Christa Innis: Right. I know the first thing that pops into my mind is like the mother-in-law still gets along with the ex and just and wants her.
’cause I’ve read it’s outrageous the number of stories.
Beth Hoffberg: You have read a lot of stories like that. Yes.
Christa Innis: It blows my mind like that. The mother-in-law’s, like, let’s just invite her. That’s the plus one. I’m like, and the confessions I get on Instagram, which we’ll get to, but I’ve gotten multiple that say my ex’s now ex’s mom brought his ex as her plus one to the wedding.
I’m just like, what? Wild,
Beth Hoffberg: wild.
Christa Innis: Um, during conflict, they shut down and disappear for hours or days.
Beth Hoffberg: So for hours, I would say that that is more of an amber colored flag. Um, it’s something hopefully that they’ll be working on disappearing for days and you’re getting married to them. That’s a, that’s a problem.
Um, so yeah, you know, people have different ways of dealing with conflict and depending on how they get triggered, if they might need to, like, yeah, shutting down does sometimes happen, but if it literally happens every time, just bringing up even something small like, Hey babe, I asked you to do the dishes and they aren’t done and they shut down and won’t talk for hours, that’s a red flag.
Mm-hmm. Um, yeah. So
Christa Innis: yeah, your fiance has no opinion on anything and says whatever you want.
Beth Hoffberg: I would take that as a red flag in my relationship because that’s not the type of person I would want to marry. Some people probably would like that and like to just be able to make all their decisions.
Apparently the people in this, uh, the skit that you’re doing right now, like the sisters, they would like that from their partner.
Christa Innis: I know. I would
Beth Hoffberg: not like that.
Christa Innis: I know, but especially with wedding planning, I feel like it shows they don’t care. But like, again, me, I would be like, like there’s some things for my husband, like when we were wedding planning, he was very involved.
Like I, I was like, we’re making decisions together. But if he was ever just like, if he would’ve ever just brushed me off and like, whatever you want, I’d been like, this is our wedding. But if he was like, oh, I don’t know, like I trust your opinion, so whatever you want. I feel like there’s difference with like tone too
Beth Hoffberg: completely.
Christa Innis: I don’t know.
Beth Hoffberg: I also think like there were definitely times when I was planning my wedding that. Like both of us were kind of like, uh, we don’t care. Yeah. But if the, if one partner is constantly like, so then neither of us care. So you have to decide That is a mental load issue now.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Beth Hoffberg: So I think that like, that also comes into play.
And, and the wedding does show how you’re gonna operate in your marriage too. And I feel like that’s a thing people forget a lot is like, it’s not about the wedding, it’s about the marriage and the partnership. So
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. That would be, I like, if I had to choose red or green, I would choose red and that person would not be for me.
Yeah. But maybe for some people, that’s the relationship they would want.
Christa Innis: Yeah, the wedding is the precursor to how the marriage will be, for sure. Mm-hmm. If you have toxic in-laws or issues like drama, it’s gonna be a precursor for how the marriage is gonna be. If your fiance is very passive, it’s gonna be how I feel.
Like I was talking, I had a therapist on, um, here, Kate Gray, like this was probably like six months ago now, and we like, were talking through one of the stories and we kind of came to that conclusion. We’re like, yeah, we’re like, depending on like how it goes. Like, not all scenarios of course, but that’s gonna be kind of a peek into how your relationship might be if you have meddling in-laws or meddling siblings or, you know, it’s only gonna get harder if, you know, you move toge, you move in together, or you have children, or you have a jo, a career change.
You know, whatever those things are, these things can follow. So it’s good to like set boundaries or nip them in the bud when before it like happens, you know?
Beth Hoffberg: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Um, okay, last one. They get mad if you don’t text back immediately.
Beth Hoffberg: It’s a red flag.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Yep.
Copycat Rings, White Dresses & Wedding Jail Time
Christa Innis: I would agree. Okay. Let’s get into this week’s story so I don’t go too over time here.
Okay. Okay, here we go. This was my first marriage. We got divorced 11 months after the wedding because he was cheating. I got engaged at 26 to a man I dated since I was 18. From the very beginning, there were signs of infidelity. He had issues with cheating early on. Ooh. And being young and naive, I ignored it because he always insisted.
He really loved me. Looking back now, it was clear manipulation. I mean, that goes right into the gut feeling we were talking about earlier.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah.
Christa Innis: You have a gut that it’s bad or something’s not working. It’s probably right.
Beth Hoffberg: The other thing that I’m immediately wondering is like, how old was he? She was 18. I just have a feeling he was not.
Christa Innis: That I think about that too. ’cause I’ve read stories like this before. ’cause she’s saying okay, so she was 18 when they started dating and then they got engaged at 26
Beth Hoffberg: or she was 26.
Christa Innis: But yeah, she doesn’t say his age at least yet. Yeah, yeah. Um, and I’m not going to pretend I was perfect either. Over the years he pushed and pushed me to even the score.
Eventually I did. And I’m not proud of it. Are they talking about cheating
Beth Hoffberg: or like stepping out in a, in a way. Like, but that’s a little tricky. ’cause if he was pushing her to be with somebody else, that’s not really cheating if she is doing it because he coerced her to do it.
Christa Innis: It’s almost like he felt real, he felt like he was, he, he almost wanted an excuse to cheat more or to be like, well, I.
Cheat all these times. So like you go do it or something.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah, but
Christa Innis: that’s kind of odd.
Beth Hoffberg: That’s not really cheating. It’s almost like a, a not quite open relationship. You’re like, it just sounds like a very challenging dynamic.
Christa Innis: Yeah. It says eventually I did, and I’m not proud of it, but that’s the kind of toxic relationship it had become.
We were both stuck in a cycle that never should have lasted as long as it did. When I was 24, he went ring shopping and I showed him the exact type of ring. I loved custom design, specific setting, the whole thing. We didn’t have a lot of money at the time, and I truly would’ve been happy with something simple or smaller, but then nothing happened.
Two years went by and our relationship felt like it was in, it was stuck on pause. I hit the point where I finally had the do something or I’m done conversation, which how do we feel about that?
Beth Hoffberg: I feel like if you have to have the do something or I’m done conversation that it already is done. You don’t wanna force somebody to get married.
Like there’s, it sounds like this relationship has a lot of coercion in it, and that’s just never gonna be able to be redeemed.
Christa Innis: Yes,
Beth Hoffberg: unfortunately.
Christa Innis: Absolutely. He didn’t respond. So I packed up and moved out thinking, this is it. I’m actually done this time. But then he begged me to come back and about four months later we got engaged.
He was the man I couldn’t quit. Tall blue eyes in 100% toxic. We were like fire and gasoline. He ended up designing the custom ring. I had fallen in love with years earlier when I brought the ring home to show my mom. At first, she acted thrilled. My sister wasn’t shocked at all. She’d known I loved that design since I was 16.
I’d always joked I just needed to find the man. I should mention my parents aren’t together and the, the man my mother destroyed our family for Oh, she goes, and the man my mother destroyed our family for, he was married. So this is like a cycle. Hmm.
Beth Hoffberg: Okay.
Christa Innis: Um, my mom was the other woman for 10 years.
Beth Hoffberg: Oh wow.
Oh my
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. I just talked to a friend of mine that’s a therapist, and you might have seen this in your work too, but she, you might know the name of it. I can’t think of the name, but there’s like a study about like, um, looking at cycles of like trauma, trauma, intergenerational
Beth Hoffberg: cycles,
Christa Innis: intergenerational like trauma and stuff.
And she’s like. Like if there’s like cheating in a, in a lineage, like it’s very common. Like if a mom was cheated on, maybe her mom was cheated on, and it’s just like this interesting thing of like, you don’t think like, oh, because I was cheated on maybe my mom, you know, or whatever. Or she had breast cancer because she had this hap, you know, it’s just this interesting lineage.
Mm-hmm. You can see. So when I just saw that, that’s kinda what made me think of it as, I was like, oh, she’s kinda looking back and it’s like, oh, her mom was. In a relationship where a man was cheating.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. It sounds like the person at this, while she maybe didn’t have the awareness when she was going through it at where she’s writing to you right now, sounds like she does have a lot more awareness.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. That’s what I’m getting to. That around Christmas that year, my sister came to visit and my mom was showing off new jewelry. It was basically my engagement ring.
Beth Hoffberg: Oh, oh no.
Christa Innis: Oh, red
Beth Hoffberg: flag that I’m
Christa Innis: not okay
Beth Hoffberg: with that.
Christa Innis: This came outta left field. I thought this was be all about the guy.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Uh, same design, same setting. Only hers was yellow gold with yellowish diamonds instead of white. When I confronted her, she told me it was completely different and that I was being dramatic, but it wasn’t different. It was identical right down to the setting. I was furious.
Beth Hoffberg: I feel sorry for her.
Christa Innis: No, imagine like that’s your moment of like being so excited.
Obviously the relationship has its issues with their to it’s toxic, but that aside, right? Yeah. She’s so excited and the mom’s like, you know what, I’m gonna go out and get myself the exact same.
Beth Hoffberg: And it was her custom design and everything. Like, how can you say it? You know, it’s different if it’s like, oh, we both had, you know, a single solitaire, like princess cut is the exact same.
Like, okay. But no, it sounds like this person created some whole special design, special setting, her own vision that she’s wanted since she was 16.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Beth Hoffberg: They had it custom made. Mm.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: I don’t believe the mom,
Christa Innis: it’s a little interesting.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. She
Christa Innis: said, I was furious. My sister immediately told her she should never wear it again because it was a blatant copy and incredibly rude.
Good for the sister.
Beth Hoffberg: Yes.
Christa Innis: My mom got angry and said she wouldn’t wear it on my day. Fast forward to about one or two months before my wedding planning was going pretty well until my mom showed me what she was planning to wear. Here we go. Wait, and I didn’t notice. So it says the mom. Um, okay, so the mom just, okay, so the mom destroyed her family, so I’m guessing she was also married, cheated with this man who was also married.
Right. Sounds like they were both married because she said, my mom just started her marriage for 10 years, meaning that she never got married to this man. So my, what’s what my intuition is saying, she’s jealous now that her daughter’s getting married to this man, which she is been the other woman all these years, right?
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Um, it says, I go to her house and she proudly pulls out a garment bag, a white garment bag inside was a white gown. Just when I think
Beth Hoffberg: she knows exactly what she is doing, she knows exactly what she is doing.
Christa Innis: No one is that naive to be
Beth Hoffberg: like,
Christa Innis: oh, you can’t wear, you can wear a white dress to your daughter’s wedding.
What? You, I don’t, my ring’s different. What her excuse was, you’re doing a black and white wedding. What color am I supposed to wear?
Beth Hoffberg: Oh my God,
Christa Innis: my sister and I immediately shut it down and forced her to find something else. The disappointing part. The next dress she chose was literally the same dress my stepmom had already purchased.
Beth Hoffberg: Ugh.
Christa Innis: Thankfully my stepmom is an angel and just picked another dress without making it a thing. That is an angel.
Beth Hoffberg: I’m glad this person has her sister, her stepmom, like people in her corner who seem to get it. Her mom is a problem for sure.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah. You need those people to like not add more gasoline to the fire like she was saying earlier.
Mm-hmm. Just to kind of be like, and I know some people get mad in the story sometimes when I’m like keeping the, you can keep the peace, like it’s protecting your boundaries in some ways. Right? Keeping the peace doesn’t necessarily mean you’re hurting yourself. It just means like. Not igniting more, because I think there’s some people that thrive off the drama.
Mm-hmm. And they want to start more drama, you know? So I feel like they were very smart about like, you know what? We’re not gonna even bring it to her attention. Let’s just change the dress. You know?
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. Or the, you know, the bride could have gone to the stepmom being like really upset, and the stepmom being like, I don’t, like, I don’t care enough.
I wanna solve this problem for you. The way that I wanna solve it is by getting a different dress and not engaging with your mom, and then take this off your plate. So it’s like up to the stepmom to make that decision to brag just out of it. And that’s like, those are the people you need when you’re.
Going through stuff like this?
Christa Innis: Yeah, 100%. Um, my bridesmaids couldn’t decide on a dress, so I told them to pick whatever style they wanted as long as it was black and church appropriate. Since I was having a church wedding, I recommended tea length because it was popular at the time. When it came to shoes, I asked for their input and only had one opinion, and only one had an opinion silver.
So I said, okay, silver, it is. I truly thought I was being accommodating, but somehow I still got labeled as a Bridezilla. Then the guest drama, one bridesmaid, let’s call her the bridesmaid, was single and not dating anyone since the wedding was outta state. I asked my aunts if she should get a plus one.
They said no, so I didn’t give her one. She decided she was bringing someone anyway, a woman friend of hers I’d never even met. Luckily, I was able to accommodate it last minute since a few people didn’t show up. Again, she was just like, you know what? It’s annoying, but whatever. We’re just gonna make it work.
Beth Hoffberg: Yep.
Christa Innis: Like I, I feel like personally, if someone was flying into my wedding, I would probably give them a plus one. But also like, if you’re in a wedding, like you’re not gonna really be seeing your plus one that much until the date.
Beth Hoffberg: You don’t have that much time usually. Yeah. And it, it probably also just depends on like the other people in the bridal party.
Like if everybody is basically single, then it doesn’t matter. Just like, let everybody just come by themselves.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah. Um, dinner was catered by a super talented chef who was a close friend with my ex, but at last minute he decided to, he decided to bread the chicken that mattered because the bridesmaid had celiac disease and she accused me of trying to poison her on purpose.
Beth Hoffberg: Okay. It looks more red flags.
Christa Innis: Yeah, because like, it’s not like. She like snuck like something in there, like you can see it’s breaded. So like, okay, let’s figure it out and get something else. Oh my God.
Beth Hoffberg: Well also a huge red flag on the chef ’cause that’s not okay. Oh no. It’s to change the menu and Yeah, especially with something like that where it’s literally going from not gluten to having gluten.
That’s a big note.
Christa Innis: It makes me wonder if it was one of those things where it’s like, because it’s a friend of the ex, if they’re like, just make us whatever, and there was nothing actually set in stone or the guy’s like, oh, I gave them a discount so I can just make whatever I want. That’s, I always say that’s a problem with hiring friends sometimes is because there’s not always a contract and they’re not always taken as seriously on both sides.
I’ve seen both kinds of stories. Um, so I, yeah, it makes me kind of wonder what happened there. She said, yes, seriously. She left before the cake cutting and made a big show of it, like I was some evil mastermind plotting to her downfall with breadcrumbs also. Why would you immediately be like, oh, it’s the bride’s fault she’s trying to kill me.
Like,
Beth Hoffberg: right.
Christa Innis: That would never be my first instinct. I’d be like, oh, they made a mistake. Same like I was vegetarian for years. I know it’s not the same thing. I chose that it wasn’t allergic or had issues, but like I was vegetarian for years. How many times do you, I get served. Food at restaurants with meat, or I’d go to someone’s house and they’d gimme something with meat.
I would never be like, oh my gosh, you tried making me eat animals? Like, that’s not my first thought.
Beth Hoffberg: No, I, so I do actually have a lot of food allergies. Um, and this can be difficult as a wedding guest because a lot of times I’m like, I literally cannot eat anything. But depending on the whose wedding it is, I’ll ask them, especially if it’s like way in advance I’ll be like, I have food allergies.
How would you like me to handle it? Like, do you want me to tell you, do you want me to talk directly to a wedding planner? Do you want me to talk directly to a chef? Do you want me to just bring my own food? Like, what do you want me to do? I wouldn’t, because I don’t wanna put more on the bride in the groom, like, or, or whoever’s getting married.
Like, no. And I would never assume that if somebody served me something that I was allergic to, that the people who invited me to their wedding were like, let’s kill Beth. Like what?
Christa Innis: Yes. I know. It’s like, so she already had some kind of like thing against her.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. She
Beth Hoffberg: shouldn’t have been in the wedding.
She should. I feel like we need to normalize people saying no when they don’t support the, the bride and groom.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Beth Hoffberg: Like if you don’t want to be in the wedding, say no.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Just save everybody the headache later. Really don’t need to sabotage it or say something rude, just like, no thank you. It’s okay.
We’ll move on.
Beth Hoffberg: Yes, exactly.
Christa Innis: Um, during the toast, my ex brother, oh, my ex’s brother stood up after drinking for what felt like six straight hours and gave a completely incoherent speech. At some point, he dumped alcohol on his pregnant sister-in-law. Then he smashed a glass on the floor to celebrate and expected everyone else to do the same.
We had him escorted out.
Beth Hoffberg: Okay. I’m glad that, that they handled it. Yeah, they handled it.
Christa Innis: But somehow he came back,
Beth Hoffberg: oh my gosh.
Christa Innis: A week before my wedding. Okay, so now we’re going back a week. My mom and her married boyfriend broke up because he wanted us to remove people from the guest list. People who knew him, knew his wife, and could expose him.
Maybe you just shouldn’t come and maybe you just shouldn’t cheat. Like
Beth Hoffberg: yeah.
Christa Innis: What? Imagine being like in an affair, having an affair and expecting to people to change your wedding so you don’t get caught. That’s. Bonkers.
Beth Hoffberg: Bonkers.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. Um, so that relationship imploded right before my wedding, so I’m sure the mom loved that.
Beth Hoffberg: I was gonna say the mom was gonna blame the bribe for that too. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Christa Innis: All her fault. Meanwhile, my ex didn’t speak to his own mother and insisted she not be invited, but she showed up anyway and sat at the back of the church. Mm-hmm. Ironically, though, she was the least of my problems that day, man, I feel so bad for this bride.
It’s just one thing after the other, and it’s just like drama from like immature people. I feel like,
Beth Hoffberg: I also feel like in some ways it’s the universe maybe being like, don’t get married. Like this
Christa Innis: was
Beth Hoffberg: not, or this wasn’t for her. Yeah.
Christa Innis: That is such a good point. Um, yeah, I actually just read one, which by the time this comes out, it’ll probably be like a couple weeks ago.
It’s coming out this week. But, um, it was a similar thing, but it was more just drama with the caterers and stuff. Um, no, was that the one, I read so many stories, but there was another one where all these bad things kept happening and like later on she was like, I think it was a sign that like, it wasn’t supposed to work because like literally two years later, a year later we got divorced and it was like the universe being like, don’t do it.
Beth Hoffberg: I do think like every wedding is gonna have some things that go wrong. And also I feel like at like when at, at my first wedding, like the, that I just knew there was gonna be something that would go wrong. And even though I didn’t know what it would be, and so then when things went wrong, I was like, oh, that’s not a big, like, okay, of course it’s not gonna go perfectly.
And that doesn’t in itself mean that you’re not supposed to get married. Right. But when it’s like every single area is so much drama, like there’s obstacles for a reason sometimes.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I know it’s almost like, this is like a weird way to put it, but like the mo, like the movie Final Destination. Okay.
This is like really a weird way to put it, but you know, like, I’m
Beth Hoffberg: excited though
Christa Innis: that the things keep happening to them and it’s like just keeps happening. Obviously this is like, I just feel like things are getting in the way of making this a beautiful wedding day.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah.
Christa Innis: And so it’s like, what’s, where is this leading?
Like where’s the final like part of this wedding gonna go? Because it’s like no matter what they like, okay, brush aside this one thing, they brush aside this, but then this other obstacle keeps coming that it just, I don’t know. It’s interesting. Okay. There’s. Let me,
Beth Hoffberg: okay. Okay.
Christa Innis: Okay. Um, there’s just so much to comment on.
Okay. After my ex ex’s brother returned, he found more alcohol and started peeing and potted plants inside the expensive venue. He got thrown out again, but at that point everyone was heavily drinking and he somehow snuck back in again. Okay, this is a problem. Send it it home. And
Beth Hoffberg: also gross.
Christa Innis: This is like terrible.
The worst part was that my mother disappeared with my ex-husband’s grandfather, who was nearly 80. She denies it to this day, but everyone knew something happened either way. Disgusting. What is happening here? My God, by the end of the night, the brother was so drunk, he could barely stand. I’m surprised he could.
He made it that far.
Beth Hoffberg: Truly.
Christa Innis: His pregnant sister-in-law tried taking him back to the other place with her partner. Instead, he pushed her and got into a fist fight with another brother-in-law. One of them went through a wall. The cops got called and he spent the next three days in jail.
Beth Hoffberg: I mean, he needs other consequences in treatment probably, but yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. If you are showing up that intoxicated and doing all these things that that’s a problem. Fast forward six months into marriage. My husband was acting strange, secretive, distant off. I checked his phone and found inappropriate texts from at least four women. One of them was only 19 years old.
Beth Hoffberg: That goes back to the suspicion from earlier of like, is there an age difference or does he just like Yeah, younger.
Christa Innis: Yeah, that’s definitely a problem. I mean, and it sounds like she had intuition or knew of cheating before the wedding, but now it’s like
Beth Hoffberg: back up. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Um, says I confronted her, she said she didn’t know he was married and told me he kept calling her and was eating at her restaurant four times a week. She promised she’d never speak to him again, and weirdly we became friends, not close friends, but the kind of bond where you feel like you’ve both been lied to.
Beth Hoffberg: Hmm.
Christa Innis: That’s, I have, that’s happened to me before.
Beth Hoffberg: Okay.
Christa Innis: Because I was that person where, like when I was cheated on, I never blamed the woman because I was like, she was probably lied to from this a-hole just as much as I was.
Beth Hoffberg: Right.
Christa Innis: And so there was like two different times where I became friends with the girls and I’d be like, the women and I’d be like, okay, like this is my new friend.
And I’m like, that would probably piss them off more. So I like, it was funny.
Beth Hoffberg: Fair enough.
Christa Innis: Um, but she was lying. Oh. But she was lying to my face.
Beth Hoffberg: Oh,
Christa Innis: okay. He never stopped contacting her. And while I believed we were working on our marriage, he was actively building a life with her. Oh. After four months, after months of struggle, stress, sleepless, sleepless nights, violent fights, and dramatic weight loss, I finally got the courage to leave.
About a month after I moved out, he moved in with her. Oh, he sounds like a. Terrible person,
Beth Hoffberg: and it is gonna be a serial thing that he does. The 19-year-old is gonna find some other person that he is talking to that’s younger again. And then he’ll just keep doing this until
Christa Innis: Yeah,
Beth Hoffberg: the end of time.
Christa Innis: Yep.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Once I filed for divorce, they announced they were expecting their first child.
Beth Hoffberg: Oh no.
Christa Innis: And the photo they used to announce it, the shoes he wore at our wedding. I wish I was kidding. I guess it all worked out for them in the end. They now have two kids and have been married for five years. But that relationship taught me a lesson I will never forget when someone shows you who they are, believe them.
Beth Hoffberg: Believe them. Yes. And honestly, just because they’re still married doesn’t mean that they’re happily married or that he’s not cheating.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Right. Like they could, they could be married and. Who knows what he is doing, so,
Christa Innis: right. It’s like the grass is always greener thing. You might see him and be like, oh, they’re like posting these happy photos on Facebook or whatever.
We don’t actually
Beth Hoffberg: know. Right. You don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes. Absolutely. I’m glad for the person who wrote this story in that she’s not in that relationship anymore and she can like see it for what it was, but.
Christa Innis: Yeah, to go through all of that and like have this, but I’m sure she looks back and she’s like, the wedding was telling me, don’t go through with it.
Look at all this stuff, walk away. Um, but she just ends with, I’m happily remarried now. Okay. I no longer speak to my mom that brightly or obviously my ex. And honestly, this would all make a great story.
Beth Hoffberg: Um, I feel like she needs an award for recapping all the things that we wanted to know at the end. Like not everyone that writes in does that.
Yes. And sometimes I know, like when I’m listening to the episode, I’m like, wait, did you cut them off? Like, what’s happening? And I love that this person was like, this is what happened and this is what happened. They gave us an epilogue.
Christa Innis: Yes. No, I totally agree. There’s so many times where I’m like, that’s it, that’s where they ended.
Oh my gosh. I need to email them. And so as long as we’ll email them and we don’t hear back, or sometimes they’ll like, send me an update later. But yeah, that was, that was a good way to like tie it off. Like, I’m glad. That she’s happy now and like got outta a really toxic relationship, um, like you said,
Beth Hoffberg: and broke the pattern that her mom was in.
She’s not her mom. She is her own person and she doesn’t have to be like her mom. And I think that’s really beautiful.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Wow. That like, touched on every kind of like drama I think I’ve ever read before. Wow. Well, thank you for sending that in and thanks for reacting with
Beth Hoffberg: me. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh.
Confessions: Wedding Regrets, RSVP Chaos & Cake Controversy
That’s wild. Okay, um, let’s end with a couple of confessions.
Beth Hoffberg: Okay.
Christa Innis: Um, there, sentiment Instagram. I know we’re like really over on time. Are you okay on time?
Beth Hoffberg: I’m good on time. Okay. And then, yeah. And then when, let me do like some cards for you, for the podcast or whatever. Yeah,
Christa Innis: yeah. Absolutely. Okay. Okay. So this says, what wedding cost do you regret the most?
We asked people on Instagram, this is what they said. This person said the whole thing. I wish we would’ve eloped. Another person said, not doing RSVP only. There was too many people that were not invited. Interesting.
Beth Hoffberg: Wait,
Christa Innis: not doing,
Beth Hoffberg: not doing
Christa Innis: RSVP only ’cause there were too many people that were not invited.
Oh. I wonder if they’re thinking like, they didn’t like, like limiting RSVPs and they wish they would’ve just done, like, open, like, because I’ve seen people doing that where there’s like, just come if you can make it. So maybe that’s what they mean.
Beth Hoffberg: I’ve never heard of that. Okay.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I, I have until I started sharing stories, I’ve heard of a couple of people saying like, we just had like, like in, in like a church basement or like a venue and just being like, oh, anyone can come to dinner and like, it’s a buffet.
So maybe that’s what they mean. But I don’t know. Interesting. This one says cake. No one cares about cake. Yeah. I think you need some kind of sweet treat. I don’t think it has to be cake, but you need some kinda like sweet thing. That’s what I like anyway.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Um, and this last one says a photo booth because they didn’t have guest create the book as instructed.
Beth Hoffberg: Oh, that’s a shame. Honestly, even though my first marriage did end in divorce, I still have like so many really great memories from the photo booth and like pictures from that that I love seeing from, from my wedding. So I love
Christa Innis: that from
Beth Hoffberg: that wedding.
Christa Innis: Yeah. No, I love that. That’s fun. I feel like photos too, like.
Photos and videography I feel like are like, so worth it. But yeah, every wedding’s gonna be different of what you prioritize and that. Okay. So I, is there
Beth Hoffberg: something that you think is the expense that you wish that you would’ve not done? Like what’s the expense that you would’ve changed?
Christa Innis: Honestly, I feel like I was pretty, I was pretty good about saying like, no to things there.
Like, I was like, okay, um, we were pretty limited on like, not, I shouldn’t say limited on guest list, but I was like, if I haven’t talked to them in the last five years, like they’re not invited if I, we mm-hmm. We didn’t do plus runs for like, um, like anyone on, I’m trying to think like guest list. I don’t know what I’m trying to say.
The one thing that people always told me, like, they’re like, don’t get favors, like, no one uses favors. But I was so set. I was like, I love getting favors at weddings. I know most people don’t. So I did, we did decks of cards, but there were a lot left over. A lot of people did leave cards. So, I don’t know. I would say maybe that if I had to pick, but like, I would, like, for example, I got a quote like, for $4,000 for flowers.
I ended up borrowing a friend’s flowers. She made silk bouquets. Mm-hmm. So we didn’t pay for flowers. Um, all our bridesmaid dresses were under a hundred dollars. I let them wear whatever shoes they wanted. So I feel like I was pretty, like, stingy is the wrong word, but I was like, spent where I wanted to spend, I should say.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: My, my wedding was a big ticket wedding, I would say. Like, it was, it was a lot. It was this destination wedding for almost everybody, even though it was where I lived. Nobody else lived there. So we, this could be for like another time, but, you know, we invited, we had everybody that was invited to the wedding got invited to something the night before the wedding.
’cause of the like. Inviting the out of town people to the rehearsal.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: We just invited, we did a whole special other event and we had like a farewell breakfast the next day too. And it was like, there was a lot going on. Um, but the thing that I would actually have taken, like, you know, I, I do hope to get married again, and I think the thing I would reduce the cost on is my dress.
And I didn’t even get a very expensive dress, but I just, I don’t know, that’s just an area that I just don’t really care about as much. I just feel like I don’t need to spend close to a thousand or over a thousand or whatever on a dress. Like I’ve really just, whatever I’ll get, I’m gonna get something way cheaper probably.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I know. I, I was like that too with my dress. Like I feel like. I’m so shocked when I hear like, custom bride dress costs.
Beth Hoffberg: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Like thousand, multiple thousands of dollars. Mm-hmm. Because I, I went somewhere that was like direct, so it was like none of the overhead costs kind of thing. Um, yeah. That for me, I was like, I didn’t go to like five bridal shops either.
I was like, I went to one, tried on five dresses and I knew out of like, I don’t know, maybe it’s ’cause I was just like, waited. I don’t know. I was just like older at the time. I don’t know. Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: I just knew at that point.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah.
“Your Mud Has Purpose”: An Intuitive Message for Listeners
Christa Innis: Yeah. Okay. I know we’re, we’re getting over in time, but I know you wanna, do you wanna
Beth Hoffberg: do a couple?
Yeah, let’s do a couple like, uh, Oracle cards or something just from like maybe, um, especially with the new year, maybe some intentions for the listeners too.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Um, so this deck that I’m gonna start with is the, uh, just a cosmic guidance deck. And the kind of intent around it is opening yourself to guidance from the universe.
Okay. So we’ll just see what there’s guidance for anyone listening and they can take it if they want to or not. Just like a little message. Okay. A card just came flying out. Okay. So this is what it looks like if, if you’re watching on YouTube. So it says gratitude, appreciate present blessings. Oh, I like that.
So just finding like some gratitude practices. I think that’s really helpful, especially in this time that we’re in right now, where things can be really scary and it can be hard to see, like sometimes the positive without being toxically positive. Right. Which is finding something to be grateful for in the moment we see if there’s another, another card.
Another message. Okay. We’re gonna switch to a different deck. I won’t use tarot for this just because it’ll take us a little longer, but we’ll do another one of like, um, this is my bloom deck. What’s a way that you might need to grow or could, or an area that you really can grow and have success in 2026?
Christa Innis: Will this like speak to me ’cause I’m right in front of you? Or is it just like anybody listening?
Beth Hoffberg: It’ll be you and anyone that’s listening, but yeah, your energy will be like the most prominent ’cause it’s your podcast.
Christa Innis: Okay.
Beth Hoffberg: Okay, so we got Lotus. Ooh. Your mud has purpose, your mud has purpose. What does that means?
So like when you’re stuck in the mud, there’s a reason I feel like this kind of goes back to some of the stories that we were listening, like when it just feels like there’s like all these blocks, there’s a reason it’s telling you something. So maybe you have to learn how to get yourself out of the mud.
Or maybe the mud is trying to slow you down because you’re trying to move too fast to get to somewhere else. Or sometimes the mud is to show you the places where you, you know, the, like people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Like maybe you got mud on you that you gotta clean off before you’re judging other people.
So there could be lots of different reasons, but like your mud has a purpose and mud also has nutrients in it. You have to, if you actually wanna grow in your plant, you gotta be put in the dirt.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Beth Hoffberg: So that’s also, there’s purpose to that so that you can actually bloom. And then the lotus is a symbol there, so.
Christa Innis: Okay.
Beth Hoffberg: Well, just a couple messages for, I
Christa Innis: like that.
Beth Hoffberg: Right.
Christa Innis: I love that kind of stuff. I love getting, doing that like internal work of like understanding myself better. And I love the one you said about, um, gratitude in your presence. Is that what it said?
Beth Hoffberg: Mm-hmm. Appreciate present blessings. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Because I think too, we’re so quick to, um, look ahead and not the way, not in like a bad way, but we’re just like planning, constantly planning or like, okay, when will this pass? Or, okay, what do I need to do next? And I feel like at least speaking for myself, it’s so hard to just sit in the present. Mm-hmm.
And like. Just enjoy the moment you’re in at this moment. Um, I, I get like, not anxiety, but I’m always like thinking of like, what’s the next thing? Okay. How am I gonna do this? Mm-hmm. Okay. I only have 30 minutes till this. Okay, I gotta do this. And it’s just like. Turn off the, like, you know, electronics, whatever, and just be present in this moment and just enjoy it.
Um, because I remember even as a kid, like, I’d be like, oh, I only have like an hour until this, or like, and it was just kind of like I, or if you’re, if you’re like in, even in my like happiest moments where I’m surrounded by like friends and family, I’m still, I’m like thinking about like. What’s the next thing?
So that’s like a good reminder.
Beth Hoffberg: It’s making me wonder if you ever were to take StrengthsFinder, I feel like maybe you have like achiever where there’s the positive is you are achieving and there’s, you’re striving for things. You’re good at executing on things, but then you can get like achiever, burnout and you’re constantly having to achieve and you only feel good if you are achieving or you feel like you’re never achieving enough.
Or as soon as you achieve, you’re already onto the next thing and forgetting to like celebrate your success.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Um, and it’s actually, as you were talking about, it’s making me realize, so I had made my 2026 Bingo card. Did, have you ever made a bingo card for this? No. For yourself. Like, like
Christa Innis: checklist almost.
Beth Hoffberg: So instead of it being like a checklist, it that, you know, if you were to play bingo, you don’t have to clear the whole card to win. Right. It’s like you just gotta get five in a row in any way.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Um, and so I put things on there that I was like, if I get. Five in a row. That would be amazing. I put like bigger things on there, not things that I was like, I have to do all these things.
It just feels more like just put it out there in like almost wishes. Yes. And then like, will I be, will I get this? And one of the things I had put on my card was to be on a podcast. Oh, there you go. And I can check it. This is my first, yes, this is my first one. So it’s a reminder for me to be like, okay, I should actually like take a moment and be like, wow, I’ve already gotten one of my squares.
And I’ll appreciate that little blessing. So
Christa Innis: yes. And like, so get in too because I think yeah, we’re all so quick to like look ahead to the next thing and like, not really like look around us and be like really like feel out the senses of like, I’m doing it or like this is happening.
Beth Hoffberg: Happening. Exactly.
Yeah. We gotta celebrate our wins.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Is that, that test you were talking about, is that kinda like the Enneagram. Like similar,
Beth Hoffberg: similar but even more in depth and more backed by a lot more global research.
Christa Innis: Okay. Um,
Beth Hoffberg: because
Christa Innis: I was gonna say, I literally, I can send
Beth Hoffberg: you the link.
Christa Innis: Yes, please do. Because I was gonna say, I literally just took the Enneagram, Enneagram the other day and I got achiever.
Beth Hoffberg: Oh yeah. So he
Christa Innis: said achiever. I was like, okay. Yeah, like that constant, I was like, I’m like A three, which is achiever and then a little two, which I can’t remember the two.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. Three wing. Two.
Christa Innis: Three wing two. Yeah. And so I was like, oh my God, I like read it. But yeah, I’m so prone to burnout. I go, go, go, go, go.
And then I like get so overwhelmed where I’m like, what’s up, what’s down? Like who am I? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, so yeah, that’s fun. That happens every like few months. Um, but yeah,
Beth Hoffberg: I understand.
Christa Innis: Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on. It was so fun chatting with you. Thanks for having
Beth Hoffberg: me
Christa Innis: all sudden. Like most of the time I’m like, I could talk to you forever.
Um, I
Beth Hoffberg: would
Christa Innis: to Anytime you wanna back on,
Beth Hoffberg: I would love to.
Christa Innis: Can you just tell everyone where they can follow you for more updates? Anything fun you’re working on?
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah, so the best places TikTok @intuitivelybeth and I don’t have Facebook or Instagram, the accounts that are there, scam accounts.
Christa Innis: Oh.
Beth Hoffberg: Um, t uh, tarot readers oftentimes have people trying to copy them.
So also just to shout out if you are watching Tarot and TikTok, like a real reader will never reach out to you, like you’ll reach out to them. Um, so yeah. But, and then my website, stan.store/intuitivelybeth And that is a great place if you wanna work with me or come and get in contact with me.
Christa Innis: Awesome.
