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This episode pulls together wedding stories from past guests and wedding submissions. Trust gets stretched, boundaries get ignored, and somewhere along the way family members decide the wedding is also their personal stage.
I go back to a few of the most talked-about stories. A maid of honor situation that spirals into serious financial accusations. A honeymoon that was hijacked by a mother-in-law. And wedding after wedding where mothers and mother-in-laws shift from “supportive presence” to full-on control mode.
Because nothing brings out family and friends dynamics quite like a wedding, where old feuds show up dressed for the occasion.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- The Maid of Honor Scam – A shocking wedding scam uncovers years of alleged financial deception and betrayal.
- A Honeymoon Hijacked – A controlling mother-in-law turns a honeymoon into chaos, forcing the newlyweds to stand united.
- Wedding Spotlight Jealousy – One bride’s mother copies her engagement ring, competes for attention, and creates drama throughout wedding planning.
- Guests Tried to Get a Discount – Mothers of the bride and groom relentlessly criticize the wedding before hinting they deserve a major discount on the celebration.
- Toxic Family Cycles – Generational patterns of manipulation, jealousy, and unhealthy family dynamics.
- Wrong People in the Room – Not everyone around the bride should be part of wedding decisions if they’re adding stress instead of support.
- Mother Mayhem – From controlling moms to impossible mothers-in-law, wedding celebrations spiral into chaos as family members compete for attention and control.
- Boundaries Change Everything – Couples that learn to protect their marriage sometimes means standing up to toxic family members.
- Stress vs. Support System – The biggest takeaway: your wedding circle should calm you, not overwhelm you.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “Peace is better than chaos and eventually boundaries have to be drawn.” – Christa Innis
- “They had spent around $300,000 to $400,000 of my family members’ money. It’s absolute insanity” – Jubilee Dawn
- “This is my best friend in theory and this is my wedding day. I can’t imagine that she would do this” – Jubilee Dawn
- “You need that kind of support around you when you’re going through stuff like this.” – Beth Hoffberg
- “It’s so silly to me, because if you haven’t been communicating, how can you even know what was discussed? You’re not the deciding factor.” – Kendra Matthies
- “You don’t know anything about this person. They’re doing their jobs, they’re helping. Why make that kind of comment?” – Kendra Matthies
- “She knows exactly what she is doing.” – Beth Hoffberg
- “Some of the best training for marriage is drama and tantrums and they passed the test.” – Sara Margulis
- “Avoid talking about tough stuff you’re going through with family or even a lot of friends, because it can set up this me‑versus‑him dynamic .” – Sara Margulis
- “That’s just toxic. They shouldn’t even be in the wedding” – CliffNotes Gal
- “She needs to invite me to the wedding and I will be there in a heartbeat. I’ll make sure her reception is a blast.” – CliffNotes Gal
*This conversation is for entertainment and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Please seek a licensed professional for your specific situation.
About the Guests
Jubilee Dawn
Jubilee Dawn is a TikTok and Instagram creator who dives into religious deconstruction, purity culture, and wild youth pastor stories. She also hosts two podcasts: Heel Dish, sharing survivor stories, and The Overshare Hour, an advice‑driven show with her best friend.
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Sara Margulis
Sara Margulis is the co‑founder and CEO of Honeyfund, the leading wedding registry that lets couples receive the gift of a honeymoon or cash to start their lives together. Launched nearly 20 years ago, Honeyfund has helped millions of couples celebrate their weddings.
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Beth Hoffberg
Beth Hoffberg, known online as @intuitivelybeth, is a certified life coach with over 10 years of experience and a background in psychology and marriage & family therapy. She’s also an entrepreneur who has been practicing tarot for eight years, sharing her journey of healing, intuition, and trauma recovery.
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Kendra Matthies
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CliffNotes Gal
CliffNotes Gal is a TikTok creator known for her fast‑paced, one‑minute recaps of long, drawn‑out storytimes. During COVID she made a fun summary stitch of a never‑ending video quickly blew up into millions of views, earning her the nickname “CliffNotes Gal” from her followers.
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Christa Innis: when my husband gets on the phone, my mother-in-law is yelling so loudly that people can hear her without speakerphone. She refuses to return the keys. At this point, we’re wasting our honeymoon morning. So we text her, leave the keys at the front door, or leave the keys at the front desk. They know it’s our car. If not, we’ll file a police report. We pack up and decide to take my car instead. At least they both have a car there. As we head toward the lot, I suddenly hear my husband say, Kat, get in the car now. I run to the car. And just in time to see her sprinting towards him, and she throws the keys at his face. this is wild. I’m I’m like picturing this in like a parking The, the words that I wanna use right now are not suitable for podcasts, but Oh wow.
Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Here Comes the Drama. I’m your host, Christa Innis, and instead of a brand new episode today, what we’re gonna do is compile some clips from some of our popular episodes featuring Jubilee, Sarah, Beth, Kendra, and Cliff Notes Gal. These are some wild stories, some great conversations, and so much more. But don’t you worry, at the very end I’m going to update you on a popular dilemma that we featured a couple weeks back. So stick around for the very end and I’m going to share that story update All right, Cleo, wanna say something? Hi. So without further ado, please enjoy this little recap, and I’ll see you at the end for a little update
The $400K Maid of Honor Heist
Jubilee Dawn: this is my best friend in theory and this is my wedding day. I can’t imagine that she would do this. And that is when he decided to let me in on the fact that this was not the first time that something like this had happened with Crystal.
Christa Innis: Oh.
Jubilee Dawn: And it had gotten buried.
But basically Crystal had been living with this family member with dementia. And she had been taking care of her along with her husband, and they were living in the house. But my, family members, they were very wealthy, you know, so it’s not like they were suffering, know, they’re living in this giant mansion, rent free and taking care of them, which really just meant, I don’t know, bringing them take out sometimes.
You know, it wasn’t that hard of a job. And apparently during a span of three, maybe three to four years, they had spent, around 300 to $400,000 of my family members’ money. I know. And it, it’s absolute insanity. And okay. To this day, when I confronted Crystal about all of this, she says, well, they wanted me to spend it.
they wanted me to spend this money. They told me to go buy whatever I wanted, and absolutely not. There’s no way. On top of that, she had drained every single one of their bank accounts. So my family member had had a good amount of money and I mean, crystal absolutely knew what she was doing because she would take every account to zero and then we have record that the checks were bouncing and then she would switch to the next account.
What? And to the next account. And during this time she was going on extravagant trips. they were, yeah, going on cruises. They were going to DC doing whale watching. He was getting new tires on his car. They even used my family member’s card to pay around $7,000 in taxes to the IRS.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh.
Jubilee Dawn: I know.
And the thing that I’m like, this is nail in the coffin. The same day that they put those taxes on the card, they also got A check for almost the exact same amount from the family member. so they got paid for it twice and mm-hmm. I guarantee what happened was Crystal went to this person and said, oh, we owe this money.
I’m so stressed, would you please pay it? And so not only did she kind of like manipulate somebody who has dementia, she ended up actually putting it on the card and then taking the check and making money off of that. wild. Yeah, it was horrible. So the reason I didn’t find out about this was there was a huge blowup where caused a lot of drift in the family at the time.
And when I was in Atlanta, I received this call from Crystal and she was crying and I mean, this is my best friend, you know, and you feel like you always want to have your best friend’s back, so mm-hmm. She called me crying saying, I’m being accused of stealing. And I didn’t do this. And they just see that a lot of money has been spent, but they don’t realize that the reason that the credit card is so high is because I’m paying all of the bills.
I’m paying the energy bill, I’m paying the mortgage, I’m doing all of this. This is why the bill seems so high, but nobody wants to listen to me. Mm-hmm. and they just are want to misunderstand me. And she also said, and I did spend a little too much at Dillard’s one day. She said, but you know how this family member is, they’ll tell you to go get anything you want sometimes.
And I just spent too much one day at the mall. but she had told me that I could. And honestly, that kind of tracked my family member was like that. She was very giving. There would be times where before school would start, she would give me her card and say, I want you to go get at least $500 worth of school clothes.
You know, and she was just a very giving person. But that is very different than three to $400,000.
Christa Innis: yeah. I can’t even comprehend that.
Jubilee Dawn: No, I’m like, that’s an outrageous amount of money. And I mean, it was honestly just crazy spending. It was daily Starbucks, they had so many subscription, like chewy boxes.
They had clothing subscriptions, getting mailed to them. Yeah. They were also getting a maid service get sent to their personal house. They eventually moved out and a maid was coming and cleaning their house on my family member’s card. and they eventually moved to Baltimore for her husband’s work.
And while they were even living in a different state, they were still using her card and living off of her.
Bachelorette Tables and Venmo Scams
She also pulled another con on my bachelorette, so it’s so ridiculous. Like it’s just a pattern of behavior. So there was another situation where we went to Hell, the Moon, which is this really fun piano bar with Bachelorette and it’s always super packed and it’s hard to get a table on the weekends.
So we wanted to reserve two tables and I think it was around $260. Mm-hmm. And it was gonna be split between five girls. So my maid of honor Crystal had sent out a text saying, here is. How much it’s gonna cost if everybody can Venmo me. I think it was around $56. Everybody Venmo me $56, for your portion of this.
And then once I found the wedding alcohol scam, I started going back to all these other statements and I saw that that was also on the card and that she had never paid for the hell at the moon. So she’s
Christa Innis: trying to make money off of it. Yeah. she didn’t pay herself and she
Jubilee Dawn: did, she, she made money off of all of my friends and family because, we sent her money for that and she pocketed it.
So, it was just a pattern of behavior. So then we started looking into it even more and found out that not only had she done that all those years before, but she was still doing it now,
Thrown Keys, Chaos, and Honeymoon Tantrums
Christa Innis: She said the hotel staff was just standing there wide-eyed.
We go to the front desk. The woman working had seen everything and was incredibly kind. We asked her to call my mother-in-law’s room since she was ignoring our calls, so she literally ran away with their keys to her room. Wow. She does. And when my husband gets on the phone, my mother-in-law is yelling so loudly that people can hear her without speakerphone.
She refuses to return the keys. At this point, we’re wasting our honeymoon morning. So we text her, leave the keys at the front desk. They know it’s our car. If not, we’ll file a police report. We pack up and decide to take my car instead. At least they both have a car there.
As we head toward the lot, I suddenly hear my husband say, Kat, get in the car now. I run to the car. And just in time to see her sprinting towards him, and she throws the keys at his face. this is wild. I’m like picturing this in like a parking
Sara Margulis: lot. Wow. the words that I wanna use right now are not suitable for podcasts, but Oh wow.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. that is insane. It’s because she didn’t get what she wanted. She thought by them saying like she thought. By her withholding the keys. They’d be like, okay, you know what, we’ll
Sara Margulis: take you. They’d have to do what she wanted and good for them, honestly, as a team for setting a boundary.
Because issues with in-laws come up all the time, all day, every day. Right. And like when it comes to a marriage, a marriage is different than just being boyfriend girlfriend or dating someone because you really, really have to have each other’s back first before anyone else in your life. That’s what makes marriage work.
And, avoid talking about tough stuff that you’re going through with them, with your family, even a lot of your friends, because it’s gonna set up this sort of like, me versus him, kind of a dynamic. Yeah. When you’re really, I love what this couple did. They stuck together. they called the bluff.
They were like, look, we’re not gonna let your tantrum throw off our day. leave our keys or, you know, we’ll act accordingly and. It worked like good for them. That was like honestly some of the best like training for marriage right there. and they passed the test.
Christa Innis: They leaped over that hurdle.
Literally they did it, they really did handle it very well of just being like, you know what, like almost treating it like, a toddler. Okay. Yeah. If you’re gonna act that way, we’re gonna just figure out, we’re gonna keep going this way because you’re just not Sorry. You know what
Sara Margulis: I wanna do? I don’t know if you can do this, but like I would really love to send them a little gift and like congratulate them on getting through that in a graceful way.
Christa Innis: I’ll have to see. Yeah. When they like sent it. I do have their, this person’s information, so I’ll have to see like when they sent it. But we have these really sweet Honey Ben Stanley’s
Sara Margulis: that we could send them.
Christa Innis: Oh, cute. Oh, I love that. That’s so cute. She then storms off again. I check on him. We get in the car and finally we drive off.
Ten Years of Manipulation: Boundaries at Last
Still married, still heading to our honeymoon, but absolutely stunned. And sadly, this wasn’t the last of it over the past 10 years. Okay. So this was 10 years ago. Wow.
Sara Margulis: Oh my God. Noticed. This was 10 years ago.
Christa Innis: We’ve dealt with stunt after stunt, emotional manipulation, dramatic scenes, chaos at every family gathering.
But this was the first of many wild moments. She’s thrown our way. And finally, this year, for the sake of our children, we’ve made the decision to significantly limit contact. Wow. So it took 10 years of manipulation and dramatic scenes, all that stuff to finally be like, okay, you’re limited.I don’t even know if I’d want someone like that around my children knowing they’re gonna throw something or
Sara Margulis: It’s hard.
Yeah. It’s hard
Christa Innis: having
Sara Margulis: problematic grandparents. The kids figure it out though, you know, they make their own decisions. Like, eh, we don’t like hanging out with that person.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I feel like kids are so in tune to people. Mm-hmm. That they’re just like, they go with their gut for sure.
They’re not like adults where we can kind of like smile and be okay. They’re like, no, I don’t want. Yeah, yeah, exactly. so she just ends with saying, because peace is better than chaos and eventually boundaries have to be drawn, even if it takes a decade to get there. She then storms off again. I check on him. We get in the car and finally we drive off.
Still married, still heading to our honeymoon, but absolutely stunned. And sadly, this wasn’t the last of it over the past 10 years. Okay. So this was 10 years ago. Wow.
Sara Margulis: Oh my God. Noticed. This was 10 years ago.
Christa Innis: We’ve dealt with stunt after stunt, emotional manipulation, dramatic scenes, chaos at every family gathering.
But this was the first of many wild moments. She’s thrown our way. And finally, this year, for the sake of our children, we’ve made the decision to significantly limit contact. Wow. So it took 10 years of manipulation and dramatic scenes, all that stuff to finally be like, okay, you’re limited.I don’t even know if I’d want someone like that around my children knowing they’re gonna throw something or
Sara Margulis: It’s hard.
Yeah. It’s hard
Christa Innis: I should mention my parents aren’t together and the man my mother destroyed our family for, he was married. So this is like a cycle. Hmm.
Beth Hoffberg: Okay.
Christa Innis: my mom was the other woman for 10 years.
Beth Hoffberg: Oh wow.
Oh my
Christa Innis: Oh my
gosh. I just talked to a friend of mine that’s a therapist, and you might have seen this in your work too, but she, you might know the name of it. I can’t think of the name, but there’s like a study about like, looking at cycles of like trauma, trauma, intergenerational
Beth Hoffberg: cycles,
Christa Innis: intergenerational like trauma and stuff.
And she’s like. Like if there’s like cheating in a lineage, like it’s very common. Like if a mom was cheated on, maybe her mom was cheated on, it’s just like this interesting thing of like, you don’t think like, oh, because I was cheated on maybe my mom, you know, or whatever. Or she had breast cancer because she had this hap, you know, it’s just this interesting lineage.
Mm-hmm. You can see. So when I just saw that, that’s kinda what made me think of it as, I was like, oh, she’s kinda looking back and it’s like, oh, her mom was. In a relationship where a man was cheating.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. It sounds like the person at this, while she maybe didn’t have the awareness when she was going through it at where she’s writing to you right now, sounds like she does have a lot more awareness.
Copycat Rings and White Dresses
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. That’s what I’m getting to. That around Christmas that year, my sister came to visit and my mom was showing off new jewelry. It was basically my engagement ring
Beth Hoffberg: Oh, oh no.
Christa Innis: Oh, red
Beth Hoffberg: flag that I’m
Christa Innis: not okay
Beth Hoffberg: with that.
Christa Innis: This came outta left field. I thought this was be all about the guy.
same design, same setting. Only hers was yellow gold with yellowish diamonds instead of white. When I confronted her, she told me it was completely different and that I was being dramatic, but it wasn’t different. It was identical right down to the setting. I was furious.
Beth Hoffberg: I feel sorry for her.
Christa Innis: No, imagine like that’s your moment of like being so excited.
Obviously the relationship has its issues it’s toxic, but that aside, right? Yeah. She’s so excited and the mom’s like, you know what, I’m gonna go out and get myself the exact same.
Beth Hoffberg: And it was her custom design and everything. Like, how can you say it’s different if it’s like, oh, we both had, a single solitaire, like princess cut is the exact same.
Like, okay. But no, it sounds like this person created some whole special design, special setting, her own vision that she’s wanted since she was 16.
They had it custom made. Mm.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: I don’t believe the mom,
Christa Innis: it’s a little interesting.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. She
Christa Innis: said, I was furious. My sister immediately told her she should never wear it again because it was a blatant copy and incredibly rude.
Good for the sister.
Beth Hoffberg: Yes.
Christa Innis: My mom got angry and said she wouldn’t wear it on my day. Fast forward to about one or two months before my wedding planning was going pretty well until my mom showed me what she was planning to wear. Here we go. Wait, and I didn’t notice. So it says the mom. okay, so the mom destroyed her family, so I’m guessing she was also married, cheated with this man who was also married.
Right. Sounds like they were both married because she said, my mom just started her marriage for 10 years, meaning that she never got married to this man. what my intuition is saying, she’s jealous now that her daughter’s getting married to this man, which she is been the other woman all these years, right?
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah.
Christa Innis: it says, I go to her house and she proudly pulls out a garment bag, a white garment bag inside was a white gown. Just when I think
Beth Hoffberg: she knows exactly what she is doing, she knows exactly what she is doing.
Christa Innis: No one is that naive to be
Beth Hoffberg: like,
Christa Innis: oh, you can’t wear, you can’t wear a white dress to your daughter’s wedding.
What? my ring’s different. What her excuse was, you’re doing a black and white wedding. What color am I supposed to wear?
Beth Hoffberg: Oh my God,
Christa Innis: my sister and I immediately shut it down and forced her to find something else. The disappointing part. The next dress she chose was literally the same dress my stepmom had already purchased.
Thankfully my stepmom is an angel and just picked another dress without making it a thing. That is an angel.
Beth Hoffberg: I’m glad this person has her sister, her stepmom, like people in her corner who seem to get it. Her mom is a problem for sure.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah. You need those people to like not add more gasoline to the fire like she was saying earlier.
Mm-hmm. Just to kind of be like, and I know some people get mad in the story sometimes when I’m like you can keep the peace, like it’s protecting your boundaries in some ways. Right? Keeping the peace doesn’t necessarily mean you’re hurting yourself. It just means like. Not igniting more, because I think there’s some people that thrive off the drama.
Mm-hmm. And they want to start more drama, you know? So I feel like they were very smart about like, you know what? We’re not gonna even bring it to her attention. Let’s just change the dress. You know?
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. Or the bride could have gone to the stepmom being like really upset, and the stepmom being like, I don’t care enough.
I wanna solve this problem for you. The way that I wanna solve it is by getting a different dress and not engaging with your mom, and then take this off your plate. So it’s like up to the stepmom to make that decision to brag just out of it. And that’s like, those are the people you need when you’re.
Going through stuff like this?
Christa Innis: Yeah, 100%.
The ceremony was beautiful. While photos were being taken, I showed the mother of the bride the reception room. So it’s weird. Everything’s just like going as normal even though they Yeah. We’re just like
Kendra Matthies: going forward. Even though nobody was confirming anything. Okay. Yeah. Alright.
Motherly Discount Schemes
Christa Innis: Immediately she began tearing it apart.
The mother of the bride tearing apart the reception room. The linen colors were wrong. The tables were too far from the windows where a large buffet had been set up overlooking the golf course. The dance floor was too large. Even though most guests danced at their tables, the cake was missing a tier and it was crooked.
Or she’s saying it wasn’t. These are all the things that the mother of the the bride was saying. Okay. And it was crooked. It wasn’t, the lighting was too dim and felt solemn. The servers were dressed too formally One server hunched too much. She didn’t like my dress. She’s
Kendra Matthies: talking to the,
your server has bad posture, okay?
I get being upset in certain things, and we’ll hear more story. I understand. Okay. don’t, what if that person has a back issue? You dunno. Why are we going after the servers themselves? Like, that’s kind of crazy to me. It’s wild. That’s wild. Okay.
Christa Innis: Yes. You don’t know anything about this person. Yeah.
What in the world make that comment? they’re doing their jobs, aren’t they? They’re, they’re like helping. Right. Like, oh my God. then to say she didn’t like her dress, the person doing it, she’s saying she didn’t like my dress. It clashed. So the person that sent in this email that runs these letters?
Yeah. Can you imagine? I’d be like, okay. Like, sorry. Right.
Kendra Matthies: That’s what I chose to wear. That’s wild. Okay. Bizarre.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. The flowers were too sparse. there were too many ribbons. She was irate. I was completely dumbfounded. And that’s a problem too. Well, I mean it’s, there’s so many problems with this, right?
Thinking that she has some power coming in. It’s like she’s not the client. Yeah. But it weird that she, they just stopped hearing from the bride and groom and then the uncle just comes in.
Kendra Matthies: Right. And it’s weird to me too, that, weddings that I’ve been to my wedding, we very much discussed like what the layout was going to be, how things were gonna look.
And I know that they said, we did let them know that the linens wouldn’t be able to be the same because of whatever. So they were aware of that. Maybe this mom isn’t aware of the change. Okay. But also who are you? Like, I get you’re the mom, but you’re also like not the deciding factor.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I feel like it was something where. The mom wasn’t as involved as she wanted to be or something.
Kendra Matthies: Yeah.
Christa Innis: And it sounds like, like the person that wrote this, I always say it’s a little biased ’cause she’s the one that sent it to us. Right. So I’m like hearing her perspective, but I’m like, sounds like she knows what she’s talking about.
She’s done all these weddings and events before. Right. So I’m sure they’re following the contract, following the plan. The mom’s, she’s like, I don’t like this. This is not what I envisioned. Or she’s embarrassed because she wants her family to see something different. Or I,
Kendra Matthies: that’s just so, it’s so silly to me too because let’s say all of these things are the genuine, the bride comes in and ends up saying the exact same thing.
Where have you been? You haven’t like been communicating with us to like even know, maybe the original discussion was that there were gonna be this many ribbons, or maybe the discussion was that the flowers were gonna be how they’re gonna be if you’re not having. ‘ cause it’s sounding to me like the venue is providing most, if not all of the setup.
So it’s not like they’re having to coordinate multiple different vendors. It’s sounding like it is the venue that’s doing this. So how that communication between the couple and the venue itself got so lax. Mm-hmm. It is strange to me, like, yeah. Okay. I need to
Christa Innis: hear more. I need to Very on.
Okay. It says she stormed off and I went back to business as usual. This was a $16,000 wedding. Absolutely. All out.
Kendra Matthies: demolished the food. They ate it all. That’s what I’m gathering.
Christa Innis: shiny. Yeah. shiny Yeah. I’m like, okay, I was gonna pronounce that wrong. And all music continued, some dancing followed, and then the mother of the groom approached me. She said the food was awful. The servers were slow, people were spiking drinks at a dry wedding.
Apparently sneaking alcohol from another bar into the building. The dance floor was a slippery hazard. The linens were dry after people ate, or No? The linens were dirty after people ate. It didn’t take a genius to see where this was headed. The hints for a massive discount started shortly after.
Kendra Matthies: they don’t wanna pay. They don’t want to pay. They don’t want to pay. Hopefully they’ve already cashed that check, girl. And it didn’t bounce like this.
Christa Innis: What it’s for, the dirty or the Dirty Linens thing reminded me. I saw this thing where an influencer was trying to do something or she was getting free, something free money.
She was at a restaurant and she filmed the floor and was like the place was dirty. And then the owners came out and they were like, she was there right after like a 12 party or a 12 person party just got up and left and she filmed right under the table. So it’s just all about like if you’ve never worked in a restaurant or,
Kendra Matthies: yeah.
That’s wild to me. The linens are dirty. I mean, aren’t they there to like. Get used and like to protect like the tables and to like look nice. I mean, your wedding dress is gonna be dirty by the end of the night, like the bottom of it. You know, you’re using the item.
Christa Innis: Yes. That’s wild. And again, saying servers were slow, you’re gonna complain about that.
Kendra Matthies: That’s wild to me.
Family Feud vs Bride and Fiance That Saved the Day
Christa Innis: After two days of silence, we decided to travel with them to Belgium, where I grew up, to share the news with friends.
My brother and sister were happy at first, but within two weeks my sister started trying to seduce my fiance. What is this family? Okay, what?
Cliffnotes Gal: Okay, what’s up with the family now? Now I’m like,
Christa Innis: this is very odd. This is what, this is a
Cliffnotes Gal: real story.
Christa Innis: I tell you. Sometimes I read these stories and I’m like, this cannot be real.
Like,
Cliffnotes Gal: oh my gosh,
Christa Innis: some are just outrageous. But then I’ll post a story or like I’ll share, you know, story time. If people are like, this happened to me, this exact thing happened to me, and I’m like, I don’t think they’re as, I think they’re more common than we think. It’s wild. telling him that she was the better option.
We ended up staying for a month. I’d be out of there a month still after that, a
Cliffnotes Gal: month. Do they not work?
Christa Innis: I know they’re doing all this traveling, but then the mom was mad that they wanted Hawaii. Not enough money
Cliffnotes Gal: for Hawaii.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh my gosh. Not enough. Because it wasn’t a place she selected as a wife, right?
Yes.
Cliffnotes Gal: Right.
Christa Innis: We ended up staying for a month because my mother promised to pay for the wedding dress and booked appointments at bridal shops. I said, I didn’t wanna bring my sister, but I was manipulated into it with the whole family as family. Guilt trip. Yikes. at the first shop, the saleswoman told me my body wasn’t made for fitted dresses.
My gosh. After trying on 10 dresses, I hated and hearing nonstop comments from my sister and mother about how I looked fat. Why I would not be including well either of
them.
Cliffnotes Gal: That’s just toxic. You don’t even, they shouldn’t even be in the wedding.
Christa Innis: No. Or
Cliffnotes Gal: at the wedding.
Christa Innis: This is definitely a story where, I mean, I don’t know what happens, but, or it’d be like, let’s just elope.
Right. where does your family wanna go? Let’s,
Cliffnotes Gal: I would hope that the husband is saying like, look babe, let’s just go do this thing with just us.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yeah. The second someone starts making you feel bad, especially when it’s supposed to be like your day trying on dresses, feeling beautiful.
I’d be like, I’m done with this. I’ll go with a friend or go by myself later,
Cliffnotes Gal: a hundred percent.
Christa Innis: they were saying, or I showed too much skin or looked bad. I finally said I wanted to leave at the second shop. I found my dress within minutes and started crying. My father seemed completely unbothered and asked how I planned to pay for it.
I was confused and that’s when my mother said, they don’t have the 690 euro after all. So they get her excited, say they’re gonna pay for the dress she finds when they’re like, oh, we don’t have the money for it. And I wonder, wow. In 690, I mean, I’m trying to think of like the calculation, but.
That doesn’t seem very expensive for a dress, 690 Euros, because I think it’s like,
Cliffnotes Gal: I don’t know what the conversion rate is right now.
Christa Innis: I feel like it was pretty close, like when I was just in, I was in Spain a couple years ago and
Cliffnotes Gal: yeah, I mean, it seems like the price of like an average. I mean, I think my golly, my wedding dress back then was like $400, $500, something like that.
But man, this is just toxic.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Wild. she says, I ran outta the shop crying and went to the cafe where my fiance was waiting. I told him everything without hesitation. He marched into the store, bought the dress without seeing it, booked us a hotel and said we’d figure out everything ourselves.
Cliffnotes Gal: Love
Christa Innis: it. Yay.
Cliffnotes Gal: Good husband.
Christa Innis: Good man,
Cliffnotes Gal: good husband.
Christa Innis: Two days later, we returned to my parents’ house and my mother exploded. She was angry that we bought the dress without telling her. and said it was unfair because they never had a big wedding. So she’s now kept trying to control it because they didn’t have the wedding they wanted or something.
she also claimed my father never gave his blessing. My father agreed with her and said he could never trust anyone with his beloved daughter.
Cliffnotes Gal: A massive fight broke out and we ended up flying home. Once we were home, everyone there was happy for us, but my heart was breaking because my own family didn’t accept us.
Christa Innis: In January, my mom finally called and said she needed the wedding date and location so she could book time off or they wouldn’t come at all. My father is still refusing, wait, so this is happening right now? She said, my father,
Cliffnotes Gal: I was about to say like, this is now.
Christa Innis: Because sometimes people will like send a story and then they’ll be like, oh, that was 20 years ago.
We’re happily married. Yeah. So I wasn’t sure. But yeah, it says my father is still refusing to walk me down the aisle. if we have a wedding weekend, that’s the short version of part one. I’ll write a part two when you’re ready.
Cliffnotes Gal: Wait, I wanna know if the wedding happened yet.
Christa Innis: I know. I need to find out.
Cliffnotes Gal: And where are they located? Are they like in the us?
Christa Innis: I’m wondering if they’re in the US and then they traveled. They traveled to Belgium where they bought the dress.
Cliffnotes Gal: Damn. If old girl is like anywhere near me, within driving distance, she needs to invite me to the wedding and I will be there in a heartbeat.
And I’ll make sure her reception is a blast.
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh my gosh. That’d be so fun. We’re like, we’re coming here wedding.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yes. Yeah. I wanna know if it happened. Yeah. You need the part two.
Christa Innis: Yes. I know. I wasn’t expecting it for it to end like that. I feel like, I like the way this is going, in the way that her boundaries have been really good.
Like her boundaries are firm. Her fiance’s backing her up. ’cause I feel like in a lot of these stories, we don’t hear about the fiance or how he’s like supporting his wife, whether it’s a mother-in-law or not. and so I feel like it’s really good that she has him. And so I’m hoping like they stick firm on their boundaries and are either like, and the mom’s calling like, okay, when’s the date?
This is their chance to be like,
Cliffnotes Gal: no,
Christa Innis: you know, we’re not gonna give you the date
Cliffnotes Gal: No.
Christa Innis: And do our own thing.
Cliffnotes Gal: No, this sounds like as much as it sucks mom and dad, it doesn’t seem like it’s beneficial to have them in your adult life right now.
Christa Innis: Hey guys, welcome back. All right, so I hope you enjoyed that little trip down memory lane of some previous episodes. If you guys missed those full episodes, we do have them linked at the very bottom, so you can check it out. Now, I know for you guys it seems like a short little while, but for me, typically I record intros and outros all at the same time, but while that was all happening, we were dealing with a crazy storm here. So I’m recording using my hotspot, and, um, we’re out of power. So luckily it’s during the day at least, so, while we’re waiting for power to come back on and kind of figuring out next steps, the sun is shining, so we can be grateful for that. But it was very crazy here for a while. So as I promised, we are revisiting a dilemma from a couple weeks back. If you wanna follow along or go back to it, I believe it it was episode 73, and you can go back and listen to it and kinda see what we talked about. We also shared it on social media if people wanted to give their input. But this was essentially about a bride asking her friend to be the maid of honor, and it seemed like task after task she kinda just showed no interest. The only time she really showed interest was in, like, getting bridesmaids gifts. there was a birthday cake issue where she kinda dropped the ball and didn’t follow through. Most people were just saying swap her out. have your friend that kinda stepped up for the bachelorette party be your maid of honor, and so we gave a lot of tips, social media and whatnot. So she gave a little update, so I wanna read what she sent over. And see what’s going on this time. Listened to your advice today and really decided to back up and take her situation into further consideration. She’s in a very bad relationship right now. She’s a stay-at-home mom to a toddler, which is very stressful in its own right. Her toddler is my flower girl. I think it really boils down to me being a low-maintenance friend and her putting what energy she does have left over into her higher maintenance friendships, because I see her showing up for them and making time for them. I’ve taken a step back from the friendship and noticed that when I stop helping her out as much as… When I… I’ve taken a step back from this friendship and noticed that when I stop helping her out as much or reaching out, I start hearing from her less and less, which is pretty common. I have two kids, but I always made time to help whenever I could whent- when I could… Okay. I have two kids, but I always made time to help her whenever I could tell she was stressed, watching her kid, cleaning her house, et cetera. Meanwhile, this help was not reciprocated. I think we both are just not as good of friends as we were telling each other we were, and perhaps it would be best for that I think we are both just not as good of friends as we were telling each other, and that it perhaps would be the best for right now that we allow our friendship to change. I hope we grow closer again one day, but for right now, I’m uncomfortable with having a different relationship. We started hanging out a bit more recently, and I enjoy our relationship more without the expectations. I have other friends who I’ve gotten closer with. All in all, I think I’m happier already. I have not had the talk with her yet, and I’m honestly thinking a petty side of me knew she’d brag all day about our closeness and her being maid of honor, and that was a big driver for me to want to demote her. That being said, I currently think I will not change the wedding party title unless it’s brought up by her or the other friend that has stepped up and creates some tension. I really hope that taking the pressure off my maid of honor will allow us both to enjoy this whole thing a lot more. There is a sisterhood I really wanted to experience in this process of just having people excited for me and just generally being interested in what I’m planning, and I’m finding that more so in my other bridesmaids. I think some friends just aren’t wedding people For anyone curious, I got my bridesmaids custom cute canvas bag, baskets, and totes with their names on them, and I plan to fill them with various goodies. Going to need to look at some inspo. I plan on giving the friend who stepped up something special in hers as acknowledgement of how much I appreciate her. She’s also a baker and giving me a wedding cake, which she keeps refusing to let me pay for. I will update you on our bachelorette in August about how that goes because that is currently the last hurdle before the big day. Okay. I love this because I feel like it was very, like, emotionally intelligent. I think a lot of times, especially in our younger years, we wanna victimize ourselves and say like, “Well, they weren’t a good friend to me. They’re not stepping up to me. Why are they doing this to me?” And then as we get older or kind of as we step outside of it, we’re like, “Well, wait, have I always reached out to her,” or, “Are our friendships changing? Does she have a lot of other priorities?” And that’s okay. so I think this was really big of her. I’ve done similar things with friendships of mine, people that I’ve known for many years, some that I’ve known more recently that I’m like, ” I think I need to show up differently,” and, cause we kind of show up differently. Or you kind of realize, ” Oh, my gosh, this friend has shown up for me so many times, and I feel like I’ve dropped the ball. I need to stand up more with this person because I really care about them.” And I think it’s really good to kind of look inwardly of being like, “Okay, how can I show up better?” Or, “What am I capable of right now?” And it’s okay that she doesn’t wanna move the party around, and it’s okay that their friendship has kind of changed, and they’re kind of in this weird stage of like, okay, her friend has new friends. She has new friends. She’s kind of prioritizing other friends. And the person that wrote this in is kind of prioritizing her wedding, which is very common and completely expected, right? When you have this big event going, that’s kind of like your number one priority, and it can kind of cause us to have this tunnel vision of like, everything needs to fall in line with my wedding, without realizing, like, people have other responsibilities, other things going on in their life, and it’s sometimes hard to see that. So I think this was a really, intelligent and mature way of, like, looking at things. Like, I’m sure in her first email she was like, ” This really sucks. This friend sucks. She’s dropped the ball. I wanna move her, I, you know, I feel bad.” But now she’s like, “Wait a second” Have I been there for her just as much? Yes, maybe in different stages, but right now I’m low maintenance. Right now I’m like, “Okay, we have this connection, this string that’s holding us together, but I don’t have the time to maybe reach out to her as much.” so I love this decision. You don’t have to make any drastic decision right now. I think it’s great to do something a little extra, ’cause it sounds like this friend that’s stepping up for you is amazing and really wanting to help you out. so I think this is really great, and I think this is a good lesson for all kinds of people, no matter what stage you’re in, about how friendships change. And I made a video about this a while back about friendship breakups, and I think especially in our younger years, not saying it doesn’t hurt now, but especially in our younger years, we take it so personally and we’re like, “Oh my gosh, they’re the bad ones. They did this to me,” or, ” I ruined this friendship.” And we’re so quick to point, when in reality people change, circumstances change, priorities change, and that doesn’t make either of you good or bad people. It’s just happenstance, it- it’s life. there’s been friendships that I’ve had that I’m like, ” These are gonna last forever.” And then you kinda look back and you’re like, ” Oh, I haven’t seen them in months. I should probably follow up with them,” you know? and vice versa. Or like, they haven’t reached out to me. or I’m always the one that reaches out to them, you know? And you kinda have to, like what she says here, I thought she said a really, really awesome thing about, about, oh, I wanna find it, ’cause it was, it was said so beautifully about Hmm. Okay, here we go Okay. I think we both are just not as good of friends as we were telling each other, and that perhaps it would be best for the… It would be for the best that we allow our friendships that change. I hope we grow closer again one day, but for right now I am comfortable with having a different relationship. We’ve started hanging out more recently, and I enjoy our relationship more without the expectations. ‘ Cause sometimes we’re like, “Oh, we have to be best friends. We have to do everything together. We have to have this closeness right now at all times.” And we see someone online and we’re like, “We’re not doing it that way.” Or we see two of our best friends and we’re like, “We’re not doing it that way.” Or we see our friend being really close to another person and we’re like, “Wait a second. Are they closer? Like, am I a 📍 shitty friend?” Like, we kind of like go in this cycle of like how… are we dropping the ball? Are they dropping the ball? And I know I have this habit of like, if it’s a friend of mine and I see they’re getting really close to someone, I am, am so anti-competition where I just I let myself fade away. not like in a way where I don’t reach out, but more so like I’m like, ” Hey, girl, you have your time. Like, it’s fine. I’m not, I’m not competing for a friendship. Like, everyone should have their own friends.” I have this habit of doing that in the past of like, just letting them know like, ” Hey, it’s okay. Like, you can have whoever you want as your friend. I’m not gonna find issue to it.” So I think this was beautifully said about you’re comfortable having a different relationship. When you let go of certain expectations and understanding different relationships are gonna be different, I think that’s a beautiful thing. I’ve too experienced that where I felt like I was holding certain, friendships to a really high expectation. I’m like, “Oh, I’m reaching out all the time. I’m doing this all the time.” And then I’m like, “Wait a second.” we’re not meeting each other in the same spot. like two ships sailing. Like, something’s off. So really evaluating friendships I think is a really powerful thing. So if anyone else listening has more advice for her, I feel like she seems pretty confident in what she’s doing now. but if you guys are listening and you have a similar situation, whether it’s bridesmaid or not, wedding or not, if it’s a friendship, share the story. I would love to, share my take. Although, of course, I always say I’m not an expert, but I’ll give you my expert opinion. we’ve all had friendship breakups. We’ve had, friendship seasons, right? What do they say? Everybody’s in your life for a season, a reason, or a lifetime. And I think the more and more we get comfortable with that and understanding that every friendship’s not gonna stick forever, I think it’s, we could have more peace with it. All right, guys, as a reminder, I do dilemmas, every other episode or so, mostly on my solo episodes. So if you guys wanna send a dilemma of your own, you can send it to hello@christainnis.com you can also DM me on social media. Instagram’s probably the best way to do that. I just tend to see my DMs a little bit better there. The other platforms confuse me a little bit. All right, guys. Thanks for hanging out with me this time, and I will see you next week. Bye-bye.
Missing Grooms, Boundary Battles and Nanny Diaries with The Wedding Nanny™ of NYC, Sandra Weir
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What do you do when a groom disappears, the bartender cancels, and your ex somehow ends up saving the wedding?
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Meet the Wedding Nanny – Sandra shares how a single wedding experience inspired her to launch a business dedicated to caring for children during weddings and special events.
- Why Wedding Childcare Matters – Sandra explains how dedicated childcare allows parents to relax while ensuring children stay safe, entertained, and included.
- The Wedding with 18 Surprise Kids – What was supposed to be a manageable booking quickly turned into chaos when nearly double the expected number of children showed up.
- When Boundaries Become Essential – Sandra discusses difficult situations where parents assumed childcare was available for every child at the wedding and why clear boundaries matter.
- The Police Show Up – A seemingly normal wedding took an unexpected turn when family tensions escalated and law enforcement arrived at the venue.
- The Groom Who Couldn’t Stop Skating – Christa and Sandra react to a jaw-dropping story involving a groom who repeatedly disappeared while wedding-day responsibilities piled up.
- The Ex Who Saved the Wedding – A listener’s former boyfriend unexpectedly stepped in to help when vendors started canceling and wedding plans fell apart.
- Wedding Day Red Flags – Christa and Sandra discuss how behavior leading up to a wedding can reveal important clues about the future of a marriage.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “Communication goes a long way, especially when everyone’s counting on you.” – Christa Innis
- “A wedding day should bring people together, not leave one person carrying all the responsibility.” – Christa Innis
- “Sometimes the biggest wedding drama isn’t the guests, it’s the person standing at the altar.” – Christa Innis
- “Your wedding day is often a preview of how you’ll handle challenges together later.” – Christa Innis
- “The people who show up when things fall apart are the ones you remember most.” – Christa Innis
- “Boundaries aren’t rude, they’re what keep chaos from taking over.” – Christa Innis
- “Children deserve to feel just as special and included as the adults celebrating.” -Sandra Weir
- “Preparation is everything, especially when you’re responsible for someone’s child.” -Sandra Weir
- “You can be kind while still holding firm boundaries.” – Sandra Weir
- “The more information you have beforehand, the safer and smoother the day becomes.” – Sandra Weir
- “If your partner isn’t backing you up during the easy moments, the hard moments become even harder.” – Sandra Weir
- “Every wedding teaches you something new about people, families, and relationships.” – Sandra Weir
- “The goal isn’t just watching children, it’s creating a positive experience for them too.” – Sandra Weir
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Sandra Weir is the founder of The Wedding Nanny NYC, a unique service helping couples enjoy their big day without worrying about who’s keeping an eye on the kids. With more than 10 years of professional nanny experience, Sandra leads a team that provides personalized childcare for weddings and special events across New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut.
From toddler meltdowns and family drama to unexpected wedding-day surprises, Sandra has truly seen it all. In this episode, she shares how she built her business, the importance of setting boundaries, and some of the wildest stories she’s encountered while helping couples create a stress-free experience for both parents and their youngest guests.
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Christa Innis: Hey, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Here Comes the Drama. I’m your host, Christa Innis, and we’ve got a great episode for you today. A lot of fun stories. I am joined by Sandra Weir, the founder of The Wedding Nanny. Sandra is a professional nanny with over 10 years of experience, and she’s built an incredible business providing high-quality, tailored childcare for weddings and special events. With a background in nutrition and deep understanding of child development, Sandra and her team make sure every child is not only cared for, but truly engaged, happy, and part of the celebration in a way that works for everyone. In this episode, we are talking all things about wedding nannies, sharing some stories of her own, and of course, reacting to some wild wedding stories from our listeners. So without further ado, please enjoy this episode Hi, Sandra. Thanks for being here.
Sandra Weir: Hi, Christa. Thank you for having me.
Christa Innis: I’m so excited to talk to you. I think everything you do is such an awesome concept. You are the Wedding Nanny of New York City. So let’s get into what, who you are, first of all, and then what it means to be a wedding nanny.
Meet the Wedding Nanny Who’s Changing Weddings
Sandra Weir: Thank you so much.
So, well, first of all, I’ve been a nanny for 12 years. I’m a career nanny. Um, I’m originally from Mexico. I’ve been living here for almost 13 years. Wow. It’s crazy to think that. Yeah. And, and yeah, you know, we started the Wedding Nanny almost two years ago, almost kind of by accident. I was doing a wedding with one of my longtime families, and, uh, I was watching four children with another nanny, and then I realized, you know, there’s a lot of missing, uh, things, uh, within the service.
Like, we’re watching them, yes, but we didn’t have any- everything we needed at that time. So the idea came up during that event.
Christa Innis: Wow. So then, like, how did it come to be? So I love how you, like, came up with this idea. Mm-hmm. So then how did you, like, officially make it a business after? Were you like, “Okay,” like, “this is something weddings need,” like, they need a nanny.
And what were those particular things that you were like, “Okay, this is, you know, kind of what we would need to make this happen,” and what, um- How would you then kind of like verbalize that, I guess, with your, with your customer? Mm-hmm.
Sandra Weir: Yeah. So, so essentially, the way I realized we’re missing things, like for instance, I don’t know, um, we had four kids and they all were different ages.
So that’s where I started questioning, okay, why, why are not, why are we not prepared, for example, for the toddler? Like, he does- he didn’t have, um, cancellation headphones, and so we couldn’t bring him in the reception, although the parents wanted him there. No one thought about that. The parents didn’t think about that.
We didn’t, ’cause we were just there to, you know, offer a service. We were not prepared for it. Um, so little things like that, like maybe we’re, we didn’t have any toys to keep the kids entertained, especially the little ones. Um, so I just started writing my notes and, you know, s- thinking how can we build something that seems put together that can make parents’ life easier and that can also be amazing for the children.
Mm. ‘Cause, you know, oftentimes kids, you know, they’re, they’re dragged to the wedding. Like, maybe they don’t even wanna be there. They wanna be playing. They wanna be outdoors. Mm. But they have to be during the reception. They have to be during portraits. So we wanted to create an experience that made them feel special and important as well.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I love that.
Sandra Weir: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: So when people come to hire you, do they… Like, at what point are you hired in the process? Like, do they already have a venue? Are they like six months away? Do they, um… Are they just recently engaged? They’re like, “We know we need you,” or is it different points?
Sandra Weir: Uh, I would say for the most part, we get booked within six months of the wedding, four to six months.
There’s a few very, very cautious brides that they know, you know, they’re gonna definitely need someone to care for the children, especially the ones that have nieces or nephews within the wedding, and you know, these are kids that they love, so they want their siblings to have a great time. They want their parents to have a great time.
They don’t want them to be worried. So we’ve had a few, uh, lately, a few bookings like that, like the booking’s within a year or even longer. Um, but for the most part, it’s like four to six months, and sometimes you get, on the rare occasion, people that are within a month or two, and they’re like, “Oops, what are we gonna do?”
Yeah. “We have 10 children. Like, what’s the plan? Who’s gonna care for them?”
Christa Innis: Yeah. And is it typically they are, like, in a separate room, or are they part of the wedding, like at a, their own table, and then you just know which kids you’re keeping an eye on?
Sandra Weir: Depends on the wedding, and that’s why we like to do a consultation with the couple.
Uh, what we’ve seen, the pattern is the, the times that we’ve been hired, it’s because there’s kids in the wedding party. Um, there’s a few weddings that we’ve done that don’t have kids in the wedding, so that’s a diff- a completely different role, completely different day. But, um, essentially what we do is we, we set up a little room, a little, a little corner.
Um, some venues have more capacity than others. Some venues have multiple rooms that we have access to. Um, so what we do is we talk with the wedding planner and we figure out a plan. Uh, and then it depends on the flow of the day. Like, say we have five children, and they’re all in the wedding, chances are we’re not gonna be in that room a lot of the time, maybe just in between formalities, uh, and maybe once, uh, we finish cocktail hour.
But if it’s kids are not in the wedding, uh, say you, you have a couple that has a lot of friends that are coming from Europe or from other states, and they just wanna offer the service to their friends for their children, then yes, we’ll have, you know, that room with even more inventory, more toys, more activities, and, uh, we’ll keep them entertained the whole day.
So it really depends on, on the couple and what their needs are.
Christa Innis: Yeah. That’s such a great idea. Like, when I saw you do this, I was like, “I wish I…” Like, I feel like I would’ve loved to have this at my wedding. Like, we had, like, just… The only kids we invited were, like, kids that were, like, our nieces and nephews- Mm-hmm
like, in the wedding. Um- Yeah … but I feel like that also gives, like, the parents, like, a little, like, weight off to, like, be like, “Okay, we can have, like, fun and enjoy ourselves,” and there’s- Yes … someone, like, there to also keep an eye. Um- And especially like having the room separate. I’ve heard of a lot of people doing that, like where it’s like, oh- Yeah
there’s a room where there’s fun things to do. ‘Cause like you said, different age groups are gonna require or want different things.
Sandra Weir: Yes. Absolutely. So important to have that extra space for them. Even, even if it’s within the bridal suite, like obviously what we try to do is just not be in their way, like at the beginning, but at some point they’re gonna need like some time to unwind.
Like if you have a toddler, like chances are they’re gonna need a nap at some point. Mm-hmm. So, and like we’re also in, in New York, so we have seasons. So when it’s not the spring or summer, then, you know, there’s so much you can do outside. Like you can’t go out for long walks because it gets cold. So yeah, w- the extra room is definitely essential for, for this type of service.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. That’s so awesome. So, okay. Mm-hmm. So it started off and it was you and li- and a friend that I think started… You said your first wedding, you were like w- you were doing an, you were h- or nannying with another friend. Mm-hmm. But then when you made it your own business, now you have- Mm-hmm … like tons of other nannies that are with your-
Sandra Weir: Yeah
Christa Innis: company.
Sandra Weir: Yeah. Actually, I, I started on my own, um, but she was the, uh, the first nanny to join my team. Obviously, she’s, uh, like one of my lead wedding nannies. She’s amazing. Um, and then we had two more people joining, um, last year in the summertime, and then I hired one more. So right now we’re trying to expand to hire two more.
So the team is six to seven people. Yeah. Yeah, we’re getting really busy and we need, you know, to have, um, a calendar with all the nannies, and I also want them to have some weekends off, so essentially we need more hands. Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: That is amazing. Mm-hmm. What do you, what does the typical… I know you said it kind of depends on the wedding you have or- Mm-hmm
what the, what’s kind of figured out between the parents. Um- Yeah … but what does a typical, like, wedding day look like for you? Like, are you a part of- Mm-hmm … meetings ahead of time or are you there first thing in the morning? Um, does that kind of-
Sandra Weir: Mm-hmm … I’m
Christa Innis: sure that probably differs a lot, but-
Sandra Weir: Yes, it, it, it, it does change a lot.
Um, we have people who book us through, since the morning, like let’s say when the getting ready gets, it’s starting around 10:00 AM. Um, but for the most part we start our service at, like, 1:00 or 2:00 PM when it’s the ceremony. So a lot of couples still get married by the church. Mm-hmm. Uh, so what we do is we drive to the, to the church, and we help, uh, before the ceremony starts.
So we kind of like acclimate with the kids. They get to know us. If it’s, the weather is nice like right now, we can go outside for a little bit. And then, uh, once ceremony starts, we already have a plan beforehand and we know if the kids are gonna walk down the aisle. We either keep them in the ceremony or take them out, depending on what the bride and the groom wants, um, and also depending on their ages, right?
Like, if you have a baby, we don’t, we’re not expecting the baby to make it through the ceremony. So we already have a plan, um, uh, for that specific time of the day. And then, uh, what we do is we either help with wedding portraits at the church, which most times that’s what happens, and then we drive to the venue.
So for the most part, venues are, like, close distance, we drive there. But even if it’s not close, we make it happen. So we, we will show up there and we’ll set up a room there. And then we, we check in the children and we start playing with them. Uh, say the bride and groom are gonna have more pictures at the venue, so that’s when we, we try to keep them engaged and entertained.
Um, and then we have cocktail hour. We try to- we drive with the kids to either in cocktail hour and then, uh, reception. So it really depends on the flow of the day, but that’s mostly we are hired for eight hours, which will cover you from ceremony all the way through the end of your party.
Why Wedding Childcare Is More Than Babysitting
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah.
And so do you find that most couples, like, put it on th- on their invitation, like, “Oh, we’ll have a wedding nanny”? Or is it one of those where, like, after RSVPs are coming in then they have a number and then they’re like, “Okay, here’s our final number, um, how many nannies, like, do you have available to show up?”
Like, what’s kind of like the process? Um, like is it like- They’re kind of telling people ahead of time, or how does that kind of work? And do you have a limit too- Um … like for your, your company?
Sandra Weir: Yeah. So I personally don’t love those big weddings with like 30-plus children. We’ve had only like one, I think.
Um, it can get a little bit out of hand. That’s my opinion, my personal opinion. I know there’s a lot of nanny agencies that do corporate events, and maybe they have like a lot of more nannies, like, you know, like backup nannies, right? My team is very small, so and we work with a very personalized ratio with the children.
For instance, babies, uh, are one on one, always, no matter what the setup is. Uh, and then toddlers, it could be one nanny watching two, and you know, as they are older, we can watch more. But it’s never more than one to four, the ratio. So no, for the most part, we, like when we get on a call with a client or the couple, they, you know, they tell us, “We have four kids,” or, “We have eight kids.”
It’s never more than 10 kids, and our average is five. So yeah, it’s, it’s mostly kids that are beloved kids, right, by the couple, like either nieces, nephews, or maybe your bri- best, um, best man has some children, or your maid of honor. So those are the kids we’ll be watching. We’re not like, uh, like a daycare service.
Yeah. You know? Like, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we’ve had a couple of inquiries with like 50 kids. I’m like, “I don’t even…” Oh. We, we don’t have the capacity for that, and it’s such, also so much more liability, to be honest.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I was gonna- We
Sandra Weir: have to talk about that. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. That would- Mm-hmm … I feel like that would be such a liability if they’re like, “Okay, there’s just, there’s a other room.
Any kids that come to the wedding are gonna be in there.” And then you don’t know them by like name, or it could just be like a- No … a guest that decided to bring their kid that day.
Sandra Weir: Yeah.
Christa Innis: So I love, yeah, I love this approach. I feel like it’s more- Mm-hmm … almost more like a daycare then. You like know like their name.
You know what, how many kids there’s- Mm-hmm … gonna be, and that there’s like pro- an appropriate number of nannies per kid. I think that’s-
Sandra Weir: Yes. And we know all these, um, things beforehand because we have a questionnaire for the parents, and we have a profile for each children. So by the time of the wedding, regardless if it’s one or 10 or 15, we know their names.
We know if they have an allergy, if they have, um, a behavioral problem, like if they’re potty-trained, all these things we know beforehand, what kind of games they like to play. Um- Mm-hmm … so we are prepared for that. But I think we love smaller weddings, like with, with fewer children, ’cause it’s easier to control.
Like, they warm up to you faster, whereas it’s 30 kids, it’s more chaotic all the time, so.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And you make a great point, too, uh, that it’s usually like kids that are like close to the bride and groom, like nieces- Mm-hmm … and nephews, or they’re in the wedding. Mm-hmm. Because I’ve been part of so many weddings where like- I think people kind of forget that part ’cause they’re like, “Oh, their mom and dad are both in the wedding.
Grandma and grandpa are both in the we-” Yes. You know? So it’s like, where does little Johnny wait in the middle? And then so they’re kind of just passing him around. So I feel like that’s- Yeah … a really good, um, point for, like, those kind of weddings where it’s like, okay, the, when everyone’s kind of has a job- Mm-hmm
then the nanny can help kind of take the kids outside for a walk or, um, do those kind of things. I, I love that idea. I think it’s such a great- Thank you … great concept. Thank you. Thank you. Um, so what is… So we kind of were talking about before we, like, signed on, but,
like, some, you know, different things that you’ve seen at the weddings. Mm-hmm. So what were some of the, like, wildest things, or do you have a wedding story that kind of comes to mind, um- … when you think of, like, some, uh, funny kind of stories?
The Wedding That Secretly Added 10 Extra Kids
Sandra Weir: I have one that’s kind of like a horror story.
Christa Innis: Oh, gosh.
Sandra Weir: We have not talked about this, uh, in any podcast that we’ve been invited.
You’ll be the first one, but we, as we grow the team and as we, you know, perfect our systems, now we just laun- launched a certification, uh, with a private agency, and we’re just trying to be, you know, more hands-on and prepared for every event that we ha- have, you know, we’re gonna have in the future, and all the experience, you know, this past almost 50 weddings that we’ve done in the past year and a half.
Um, but yeah, so last year, uh, it was our first busy year, ’cause 2024 we, we really didn’t have more than five weddings. So last year was, like, the first year in business. Mm-hmm. Um, so September was really busy. We had a random photo shoot. We had, like, nine weddings. So we did, we had two days where we had double bookings, but you know, we had the capacity for it.
We, we were five nannies back then. So, um, we had this couple that reached out three months before the wedding. Um, essentially the groom was the one that was taking the lead, which is not the standard. Like, normally it’s either the mom of the bride or the bride or the sister of the bride, right? Um, so we had the groom reaching out.
And he was very stubborn since the beginning, and he will be like, “Oh, we’re gonna have…” First he said eight children, right? None of these kids were in the wedding, so he wanted more kinda like a play area for the nannies to watch the kids. And then, uh, so he booked two nannies, but he wanted to book one. So we kept explaining, you know, how we work with the Nanny Rachel’s, but he kept insisting it’s gonna be a, a room with just, you know, like a daycare.
Why can a teacher watch eight to 10 kids and you can’t do that? Oh, wow. So I kept ex- explaining. Yeah, like, you know, we have, you know, glass. There’s people walking in. It’s such a different environment. It’s not childproof. Mm-hmm. There’s so many factors playing, right?
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Sandra Weir: So time goes by, keep reaching out.
I, I had a gut feeling that this wedding wasn’t gonna be, you know, they were not being honest with us, right?
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Sandra Weir: So kept reaching out. No communication, right? Never talked to me. Like, I think we talked, like, a day before the wedding. Uh, a lot of red flags. Mm-hmm. So a week or two weeks before, um, the wedding, uh, he calls me and he goes, “Okay, we’re gonna have closer to 12 children.”
I said, “Okay, we need a third nanny, that’s for sure. We can’t work with less than three nannies.” And also he wasn’t sure if there, there was gonna be babies. We needed to know. You needed to know. We send the profiles months… Yeah, we needed to know, and he never sent us the profiles until, like, a day before the wedding.
He sent, he sent us tw- 10, I think. Eight or 10. But I had this gut feeling, right? So I sent… I wasn’t in that event because I was in the city with another nanny in another booking. So I send my lead wedding nanny, Jesse, with the two nannies. They show up. Chaos. Like, they didn’t even know where had to, like, set up.
The wedding planner wasn’t an- anywhere to be found. Like, we had the contact number. She wasn’t picking up. They finally are able to set up. Everything starts fine. But here’s a f- here’s the crazy thing. They ended up having 18 children. 18 children- 18 … for three nannies. Three of them were babies. It was chaos.
I mean- Wow … they, my nannies are superstars. They know how to deal with these things. Mm. They got the job done, all the kids were safe, but it’s something that we’ll never allow. And you know, it was a breach of contract too because we had a contract where it states you cannot have more children, but I have them checking in every child and, you know, we had to be honest with the couple.
A few days after, we, I reached out to them and I was like, “Look, this is what happened. Um, chances, you know, if, if I didn’t have this amazing team, like, and they’re trained for everything, like, we don’t know what could’ve happened.” So yeah. Mm. That’s what I, that’s what I told you. We, we don’t love these bigger parties because also sometimes, sometimes I feel like the couple don’t know what to expect either, like how many kids are gonna show up.
Mm. But a lot of times they’re, like, what I’ve seen in the past, they don’t wanna tell you. So yes- Yeah … we try to be very cautious with these type of bookings. I mean, luckily everything went fine, but you know, you never know what can happen.
Christa Innis: That’s, like, just like what we were talking about- Mm-hmm … how, like, the…
it’s almost like they, like, had it on their invitation and then just kept telling people, “Oh, it’s fine- Yes … just bring your kids ’cause there’s gonna be a nanny there-“
Sandra Weir: Uh-huh …
Christa Innis: without realizing. And then it’s almost like they didn’t wanna, like, pay more or, like, have- Yes … like, you… yeah. Like, you, like, back out.
You know, then maybe they’re afraid, like, oh, they’re gonna not show up then, so let’s- Mm-hmm … just not tell them. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And it’s like- Yeah, it sounds crazy … don’t you want, like, some… like, it sounds like you guys do such a good job of making sure there’s the right amount of people per kid- Mm-hmm … to make sure, like, all their needs are met and that they’re gonna be taken care of.
Mm-hmm. So it’s like, wouldn’t you want that? And so it just shows me that they just don’t care. Like, they’re like, “Just throw the kids in a room. They’ll be fine.”
Sandra Weir: Yeah. I feel like they really, they didn’t care much about this. Like, they left it to the last minute. Like, they sent just a few profiles before, and we, we like to be prepared, you know?
We like to know who these children are.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Sandra Weir: And, uh, I also feel like when it’s weddings like this where, you know, different cultures, different type of weddings, I’m, I’m Mexican so I kinda know how it is, but yeah, it was this, it was one of these weddings where there, they have a lot of children typically.
Christa Innis: Mm.
Sandra Weir: So, um, I think maybe they thought, “Okay. We’ll just invite a few. We’ll let a few parents know, but not all of them,” and then once the people saw that there were some nannies there, they w- they just started bringing their kids.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Setting Boundaries When Guests Assume You’re Watching Their Kids
Sandra Weir: And obviously as a couple, that’s the last thing you wanna deal with on your wedding day.
We understand that, but then don’t invite, don’t have an open, you know, invitation for all these kids. Yes.
Christa Innis: Yeah. So I feel like that would be hard too if, like, let’s say you have, like, the profile for nine kids, and then all these other kids come in. You’re like, “Are they gonna listen to me if I’m like, ‘Hey, stay over here,’ or, ‘Here’s this'”?
Yeah. Or like, “Who’s your parent,” you know? And like, I feel like that would get really chaotic like you said, but I’m glad your team was able to handle it, and I’m sure- They’re amazing … now you’re, like, tightening up everything in the contracts ’cause that’s, like- Yes … that’s wild
Sandra Weir: Yes. We’ve, honestly, since our wedding, we’ve perfected, like, the way we set boundaries also with, you know, with the parents and couples.
Like, I don’t know, for instance, I had a wedding a few months ago where I was only hired to watch the two kids of the, you know, bride and groom. They already had kids, which we are seeing more now. Like, most couples have children already. So I was only in charge of them, but then they had a lot of children, and they told me there was gonna be a lot of children, and then some moms kept coming to the room to bring…
And they would just leave the kids, and I was like, you know, I, I had to be very honest and just, “I, I- it’s only me today, so I was only hired to watch the two kids. I’m so sorry. I would love to help, but we can’t do it.” Like, it’s, it’s two kids and little, they were little kids, so yeah, we had to set boundaries.
Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Good for you. For sure. I know, I’m sure that’s hard when people are kind of like-
Sandra Weir: It is …
Christa Innis: taking advantage a little bit, and you’re like-
Sandra Weir: Yeah …
Christa Innis: communication goes a long way, and I feel like the fact that you were just like, “Hey, like, I’d love to, but I can’t be responsible,” like… ‘Cause, yeah- Yeah … it’s like if they just drop a kid off, and then that kid gets hurt or something, you’re like, “I wasn’t- Yes
even in charge of… Sorry,” you know?
Sandra Weir: Exactly. And I mean, and we, we, we carry, like, insurance and everything, but still, like, I don’t wanna be held accountable f- especially for a child that I was not in care for, so.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Sandra Weir: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah, absolutely.
Sandra Weir: Mm-hmm.
The Wedding That Ended With Police Cars
Christa Innis: Um, okay, and then I know you said you had one more other story.
Sandra Weir: Oh my God, this one, I don’t know if it’s… It’s kind of funny, I think. So we, we have this great couple that, also a September wedding. We had this couple, um, they were really young. They were getting married. They have a huge family. Um, and then they, they told us we were gonna care for seven children, which it was sev- seven children.
We were there for the whole day. Um, I think it’s been our longest booking. It was 14 hours. Um, so to me, the funny thing was we showed up. We were only gonna have the girls in the morning for the getting ready with, you know, the bride, and bridesmaids, and maid of honor. And then the kids, the boys, were gonna show up in the afternoon, like right before portraits, and ceremony, and all that kind of stuff.
So it was funny ’cause I spoke to the wedding planner, I spoke to the bride, but I hadn’t spoken to the actual parents from the children, which was, uh- brother of the bride and the sister of the bride.
Christa Innis: Okay.
Sandra Weir: So we get there, we introduce ourselves, and then, um, the sister-in-law, she, uh, she comes to us and she goes, “Guys, I’m so excited to have you here, but just one thing.
My children are not to go with anyone. Just me and my husband. That’s it. Like, they can’t go to anyone else.” So I kind of, like, we started thinking, “What’s going on here?” Like, that’s… I mean, we, we ask for the most part, like, who are we allowed to hand the children. Like, if they wanna go to the dance floor, like, can they go with your grandma or, you know.
Christa Innis: Right.
Sandra Weir: So she was very specific about that. So we were like, “Oh, something’s going on here.” Yeah. So anyway, like, the day goes by. Everything goes fine. Like, the, the boys get there. We start caring for them. Um, and then, uh, once we were about to leave, some of the kids were sleeping, ’cause we had a wide range from, like, a o- one year old to, like, 10 year old, 10 years old.
Mm-hmm. So one of my nannies was caring for the kids that were sleeping, and I was caring for the kids that were in the dance floor. Uh, then we start packing. We hand the children. We say thank you. We start packing all, all of our inventory. As we head out, we start hearing, like, noise inside, but the party was over.
So we’re just, like, heading out. All of a sudden, Amelia comes by. We’re loading our car, and the police shows up. I’m like, “What’s going on?” Oh. My nanny goes, “Oh my God, like, the police is here. This is crazy. Like, what’s going on?” Two patrols. Uh, okay. We didn’t… We obviously we didn’t wanna go back to see what happened, so, but I reached out day after to event planner.
She goes, “Oh my God, I can’t disclose it, but you should speak to, to the bride maybe in the future,” right? The only thing we found out is that they had to call the police because one of the grandparents tried to, like, hold one of the little kids, and the sister-in-law just didn’t want that. I don’t know what was the reason, but police ended up being there, so.
Christa Innis: Oh.
Sandra Weir: I don’t think anyone… I know. That was my reaction. Like, “What, what, what was going on?” Like, why would… Like, what happened? Why would you not want her around the kids? Um, but yeah, I don’t know. I j- I know that no one went to jail. That, that’s for sure.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Mm-hmm. ‘Cause we hear the stories where, like, someone that shouldn’t be there shows up, so then the cops have to come and, like- Mm-hmm
arrest them or take them out. I weirdly have got a lot of, like, ex- exes showing up to s- like, wedding stories.
Sandra Weir: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Um, but yeah, that makes me think that they, like, had a rocky relationship. There was something, and then the- Yeah … grandma was like, “Come give me a
Sandra Weir: hug.” Always some drama. Oh, my God.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh, my gosh.
That’s wild. Yes.
Sandra Weir: And
Christa Innis: that’s, and that also goes back to your other story about, like, that’s why it’s so important, like, the nanny to child ratio- Mm-hmm … because then you can specifically say, like, “Oh, I know these three kids aren’t supposed to go with so-and-so.” Like- Mm-hmm … and just keeping the kids safe. But that’s- Yeah
wild, a cop showing up to a wedding. Oh, my-
Sandra Weir: That was really crazy. That was a first. And I mean, I’ve seen a lot of crazy things back where I’m from, you know? We, we like to party, but this was a first, for sure.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Wow.
Sandra Weir: Yeah. I’m just so glad we were not with the kids when that happened.
Christa Innis: Yeah. ‘
Sandra Weir: Cause, like, I, I wouldn’t know how to…
Like, I wanna be nice, but I also… I wanna be nice to everyone, you know? I don’t wanna just be nice to the kids’ parents. Right. But I get it. Like, they’re your children. You wanna protect them. God knows from what, but you wanna protect them, and we respect that.
Christa Innis: Right. Yeah. Yeah, that’s gotta be really hard when it’s like, um…
It’s a good thing that she, like, told you specifically, ’cause k- Mm-hmm … like, if she didn’t, and, like, a grandparent came in, they’re like, “Oh, I’m the grandma,” like, that’s gotta be so hard with all these people coming in. Yes. It’s like-
Sandra Weir: Yeah …
Christa Innis: uh, is that your grandma? Like, I don’t know, like how you would- Yeah … how you would handle that.
But it’s a good thing that she- I know … like, knew, like, what boundaries she needed to set- Yeah … ’cause we don’t, I guess, know the full story there.
Sandra Weir: I know.
Christa Innis: Wow. That is wild. It is, yeah. But like I said, I th- I think it’s, I think it’s amazing what you do. And how can someone go about- Like, if they’re interested in hiring you.
Do you do just weddings in New York, New York City? Um, do you guys have- are you guys expanding? How does that work?
Sandra Weir: Yeah. We, we cover mostly New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut. Um, we have, I think, 50% of our business is in New Jersey, to be honest. Okay. New Jersey’s huge. Yeah. So we have a lot of weddings, like, in central Jersey, in northern Jersey, but pretty much we get inquiries from everywhere.
We’ve had a few wedding, few inquiries from Philadelphia lately.
Christa Innis: Okay.
Sandra Weir: Which is still, it could be, it could be as far as some parts in New Jersey, even closer. So we, we just booked, uh, our second one for next year- Oh … uh, in Philadelphia. It’s gonna be a three-day service. Um, but yeah, for the most part, the tri-state area.
And New York City, not so much, ’cause there’s not so much space in the venues. We get a few bookings here and there, um, but not, not so many New York City.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Okay. And so for someone that wants to book you, Chase- Mm-hmm … should they go to your website, go to your social media? Yeah.
Sandra Weir: So they can go to my website.
It’s www.theweddingannynyc.com. And they can also find all the links to every social media link in my, in my Instagram.
Christa Innis: Awesome.
Sandra Weir: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Mm-hmm We’ll, we’ll put it in the show notes as well.
Sandra Weir: Thank you. Thank you so much.
Christa Innis: Um, okay, so we’re gonna do a little game here.
Sandra Weir: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: I think. We’ve g- we got, like, all these, like, little options.
Um- Yes … okay. Let’s see. Let’s do, like, a little rapid fire. Okay. So, um, let’s see. The… Okay, first thing that comes to mind.
Sandra Weir: Mm-hmm.
Rapid-Fire Wedding Chaos and Childcare Emergencies
Christa Innis: Here’s a s- I’m gonna give you a scenario- Okay … and then just try to answer in, like, five seconds or less. This might be… I’m trying this for the first time. Mm-hmm. Let’s see how this goes.
Okay. A ring bearer locks himself in the bathroom
Sandra Weir: A ring bearer what?
Christa Innis: Locks himself
Sandra Weir: in bathroom. Locks himself in… Um, literally call 911. Yes.
Christa Innis: Um, flower girl starts crying before photos.
Sandra Weir: We distract her right away with a toy.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Toddler spills juice on the flower girl’s dress.
Sandra Weir: Oh, my goodness. We speak to toddler, and we take care of that dress, ’cause it’s probably dirty now.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Um, the parent disappears during cocktail hour.
Sandra Weir: Parent disappears during cocktail hour. That’s fine, ’cause we got the kids. We’re taking care of them. We’re feeding them.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Um, two cousins start fighting during dinner.
Sandra Weir: We take them out of that room. Yes.
Christa Innis: Um, a toddler falls asleep on the dance floor.
Sandra Weir: Uh, we just bring them b- back upstairs or wherever we, we had it set up for him.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Love that. Great. Great answers. Thank you. Um, okay, and then we’re just gonna do one little, one last little thing. It’s called what more, what’s more likely. Mm-hmm. So just maybe weddings you’ve been a part of. Okay.
Sandra Weir: Okay.
Christa Innis: Either a child cries during the vows or someone falls asleep during speeches.
Sandra Weir: A child cries during the vows, for sure.
Christa Innis: Someone loses a shoe or someone loses a child.
Sandra Weir: Someone loses a shoe. Seen that many times.
Christa Innis: Yes. Um, a flower girl refuses to walk or steals the spotlight.
Sandra Weir: A flower girl steals the spot- the spotlight, yeah.
That’s more likely.
Christa Innis: Um, a parent leaves the diaper bag behind or forgets snacks.
Sandra Weir: For get snacks.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm Uh, a toddler dances all night or crashes before dinner?
Sandra Weir: A toddler dances all night.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Sandra Weir: We have fun with that.
Christa Innis: I love that. I love that.
Sandra Weir: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Okay, awesome. So let’s get into this week’s story submission.
Mm-hmm. These are sent in from followers, and we’ll kinda pause and react as we go. Okay.
Sandra Weir: Mm-hmm.
The Groom Who Chose Skating Over His Wedding
Christa Innis: Okay, here we go. It says, “I don’t even know how to describe my wedding except if it could go wrong, it did, and my groom was nowhere around for any of it. My ex and my brothers ended up saving the day. It started after the rehearsal dinner.
One of the groomsmen needed to pick up his tux. He had never been to our house before, so he and his very intimidating wife came over with their kids to get it. The plan was for me to meet them, then drive about 45 minutes to the venue to stay overnight with my bridesmaids. After 20 minutes, my fiancé, let’s call him Ethan, still hadn’t shown up, so I called him.
He said he was on his way. An hour later, still nothing. His friends needed the tux, and I needed to leave.” I wonder why she couldn’t just bring it to the… Maybe I’m missing something. Like, bring it to the place, unless-
Sandra Weir: That’s what I was thinking, yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Why
Sandra Weir: couldn’t she just bring it?
Christa Innis: Going their way earlier?
I don’t know. I’m like, and maybe they’re going, like, an, a day earlier or something, but that’s interesting. Hmm. “So I called again. ‘Hey- Mm-hmm … where are you? Your friends need his tu- need the tux, and I have to head out.'”
Ethan: “Oh, Liam bought me a shop light for the wedding, so I stopped for a quick skate lesson.”
Sandra Weir: What? What?
Christa Innis: What’s a shop light?
Sandra Weir: Oh my God, I don’t know what a shop light is, but the skate lesson, what?
Christa Innis: Yeah, I’m like, wait, a sh- a skate lesson? Um, me- Oh my God … “Your friends drove 19 hours with three kids. They’re waiting at our house, and we expected you over an hour ago.”
So the, so the groomsmen, the wife, and the kids are waiting at the house this whole time it sounds like for the groom.
Sandra Weir: Got it. Okay.
Christa Innis: Okay, that’s- That makes more sense … would be really awkward. So it seems like- It’s- … they were, they were everywhere they needed to be, but the groom- Mm-hmm … is just, like, over skating.
Sandra Weir: He was just missing, yeah, and so she couldn’t leave. Oh my God. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh.
Sandra Weir: That’s crazy. I mean, I feel like, I mean, grooms don- they don’t live in the same space for the wedding. Like, it’s a total different experience for them, so I could see that happening. My, my husband was like, when we got married, he went to the gym on, you know, the day of our wedding, and he was just-
in the pool before and while I was getting ready, so I can see that happening. The, i- it’s a little weird, the skating, but –
Christa Innis: Skating is a little weird …
Sandra Weir: they just have so much time.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Well, it, it’s funny. It’s like that, um, I can’t think of the sound, but it’s like that viral, like, TikTok where it’s, like, showing, like, the bridesmaids and the bride all getting ready.
There’s, like, so many things on their list- Mm-hmm … and it’s, like, the quick music, and then it’s showing, like, the guys, and they’re just lounging in bed. Chilling. Yeah … smoking cigars, drinking whiskey, and it’s just, like, two different zones.
Sandra Weir: Like- It’s two, two, yeah, it’s a whole different experience for them.
Yeah. That’s, that’s for sure. Oh my
Christa Innis: God. No, so this sounds- That’s crazy … to me like it was one where, like, she did all the planning. She did- Mm-hmm … the scheduling. It was all on her plate. But, like, he can’t even just show up to the
Sandra Weir: thing- Yes …
Christa Innis: which is very frustrating.
Sandra Weir: Well, that, that, that speaks volumes for the marriage.
Like, we don’t know how that’s going right now.
Christa Innis: I… That’s exactly. If that happened
Sandra Weir: before. Well, she
Christa Innis: said, so I’m wondering what, who’s the ex, ’cause she said, “My ex and my brothers saved the day.” But is it her groom? I don’t know.
Sandra Weir: Mm.
Christa Innis: Um, okay, so
Sandra Weir: he- So yeah.
Christa Innis: Like-
Sandra Weir: Imagine that. The c- she cancel the wedding. Oh my God.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Ooh, okay. Let’s see what’s going on here.
Sandra Weir: Oh my goodness.
Christa Innis: Um, so then her hus- or fiancé- Mm … said, “I just want to land this clip, then I’ll head, head home.” What is this skating thing? At that point, I told him to just let me know where the tux was so I could give it to them and leave. Turns out it was in his car.
Sandra Weir: Of course.
Christa Innis: So he finally- I saw that coming … said he’d go home. What terrible planning
Sandra Weir: That is-
Christa Innis: Ugh …
Sandra Weir: yeah. That’s so- That makes no sense. Like- No … just, like, unnecessary drama for the day.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Sandra Weir: Oh,
Christa Innis: my God. “The next morning, I woke up at 7:00 AM to call- to a call from the bartender saying he couldn’t make it due to COVID.
This was 2021. I immediately started panicking.” Jesus. Oh, my gosh. What a time to get married. Yeah. “My sister suggested calling my ex, who is a professional wedding bartender.” Oh.
Sandra Weir: Oh, my gosh. Gosh, this is where- I, I see where
Christa Innis: this is going … the ex comes in. Well, it’s not the ex-husband, it’s an ex- Okay … like-
Sandra Weir: An ex-boyfriend,
Christa Innis: yeah
boyfriend.
Sandra Weir: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Christa Innis: How do we feel- Oh, my gosh … about that? That’s a little odd.
Sandra Weir: I, I would… I don’t know. I, I’m totally against that. I know a lot of people are open to having their exes at their weddings, but I just don’t think it’s a good idea.
Christa Innis: No, ’cause it’s like- I, I really
Sandra Weir: don’t …
Christa Innis: you broke up for a reason.
Mm-hmm. And it doesn’t even ma- like, unless it was, like, in elementary school and you dated and you, quote-unquote, “dated”-
Sandra Weir: Yeah … for
Christa Innis: a
Sandra Weir: week-
Christa Innis: Like, in
Sandra Weir: your childhood …
Christa Innis: yeah. Yeah. But I don’t know why- That’s different … you’d call him an ex then, so it’s obviously not that.
Sandra Weir: Yeah. Oh, God.
Christa Innis: And why would your… I don’t know.
It’s weird that the sister was like, “Call your c- call your ex. He used to bartend.”
Sandra Weir: Oh, God.
Christa Innis: What,
Sandra Weir: what- You can call anyone else. Like, there’s h- like, thousands of b- bartenders. It doesn’t have to be his Anyone can open a
Christa Innis: beer.
Sandra Weir: Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh,
Christa Innis: my God. Okay. Mm-hmm. So, um, she said c- she suggested calling the ex, who is a professional wedding bartender- Oh, my God
at a high-end hotel. He agreed to help. Said his friends would come, too, but they needed the alcohol at the venue early so they could plan the menu. I called Ethan again. “I need you to bring alcohol.” Ethan, “I can get it there by 1:00, but I’m going hiking with my guys.”
Sandra Weir: My God. What?
Christa Innis: This groom is- Why is he-
stressing me out.
Sandra Weir: It… Yeah, it’s just, why? The most random things on the wedding day. That makes- Yeah … absolutely no sense. And, like, the fact that he’s not helping her with anything.
Christa Innis: Yeah, this poor bride. Like, you can just see it now, like their wedding planning was, like, he had, like, the b- most basic task, he couldn’t do that, and then her task is, like, a mile long.
Sandra Weir: Yeah. That’s-
Christa Innis: Oh, my gosh …
Sandra Weir: ugh. Sorry.
Christa Innis: Um, okay. So she says, um, “The wedding is at 2:00. You’re supposed to be here early. The photographer arrives at 11:00.” He said, “I can get there by 1:00,” ’cause he’s hiking. The wedding was at 2:00.
Sandra Weir: Oh, my
Christa Innis: God. What? This guy is wild. He just said- Oh, my God … “I’ll be there dressed by 11:00, but the guys still want to hike.”
This is your future wife.
Sandra Weir: Yeah, I mean, he’s prioritizing his friends. That, yeah, that doesn’t- Yeah … sound very well. Mm-mm.
Christa Innis: No, if you can’t even- I
Sandra Weir: don’t like where this is going.
Christa Innis: No. If you can’t even do, like, a simple task on your wedding day, this marriage is doomed. I’m sorry. Yeah.
Sandra Weir: I agree. I agree with you.
Wild.
Christa Innis: Uh, she said, “What about the alcohol? Ethan: Just give them the garage code.”
Sandra Weir: Oh, my God.
Christa Innis: So e- so then I guess her fiancé now knows the ex is coming to bartend the wedding. Okay. Mm-hmm. “At that point, my sister and I drove back from our… Okay. At that point, my sisters and I drove back home ourselves to pick it up, leaving the other bridesmaids at the venue to decorate.”
This is, like, stressing me out. Yeah. “On the way, I called my wedding par- planner to update her, and she told me she was also sick and couldn’t come.”
Sandra Weir: Oh, my God. What?
Christa Innis: What wedding planner, though, wouldn’t call and tell you that morning? She’s literally just telling you as they’re going to the venue.
Sandra Weir: I know.
That’s… Why?
Christa Innis: Wow. She is not wrong when she said everything that could go wrong is.
Sandra Weir: It is, it was going wrong, yeah.
Christa Innis: That sounds so unprofessional. If I was, like, being a wedding planner for somebody, I would call them the day before or first thing that morning that I didn’t feel well, and have a backup- Yeah
or something.
Sandra Weir: Absolutely. Wow. You always need to have a backup for everything. Even if you have a wedding planner, like, have your maid of honor, you know, taking care of a few things in case stuff-
Christa Innis: Yes …
Sandra Weir: you know, things like this happen.
Christa Innis: Yeah, and I feel like- Wow … someone always needs to go know what’s going on because, yeah, if the wedding planner’s not there, then it’s, like, re-explaining it to everybody or finding someone.
That’s a lot.
Sandra Weir: Oh,
Christa Innis: my goodness. She goes, “So now, no bartender, no planner, no groom. I was spiraling.” Oh, my God. “Thankfully, the venue owner stepped up to help. My parents and younger brother met us at the house, helped load the alcohol, and we got back to the venue at 10:00 AM. The decorations weren’t how I envisioned them, so I started scrambling to fix everything.”
Oh, my God. “Meanwhile, the photographer, hair, makeup, and DJ all arrived on time.” Okay, we got those. At least. We got those people. “I kept trying Ethan. No answer.” This guy. What? Why are we still considering marrying him?
Sandra Weir: Yeah, no, no.
Christa Innis: Gosh. “Hair and makeup were getting frustrated because I kept delaying getting ready, and my bridesmaids had to chase me down.
I finally said I wasn’t getting ready until I heard from him.” That’s when my ex, let’s call him Noah, showed up with his friends and a bucket of alcohol Jell-O. Oh, like Jell-O shots. No. Like a, like a full- Oh, my God … sandbox pail. She call- she calls it alcohol, like, Jell-O, but okay.
Sandra Weir: Oh, my gosh.
Christa Innis: He handed me a tequila shot.
What is happening in this story?
Sandra Weir: This is the weirdest story I
Christa Innis: know. I didn’t know this, like, ex-
Sandra Weir: Hating the Jell-O shots.
Christa Innis: Like, fiancé’s not even there. Okay. You’re hanging out with your ex, drinking with him. Oh, my God. He handed me a tequila shot. His friends reassured me they’d take over the bar, and they literally sent me off to get ready with the biggest Jell-O shot I’ve ever seen.
Mm. I finally get started getting ready. Ethan showed up around noon with his groomsmen- … all dressed, and I sent them off to the skate park for photos. Is he a… Oh, he must be, like, a skateboarder?
Sandra Weir: Maybe. I mean, that’s the only reason I would think he was doing that on the day of.
Christa Innis: I don’t know why. This is- So strange
actually so funny. When she first says something about skate- Mm-hmm … I was picturing him ice skating.
Sandra Weir: Me too. That’s what I was pi- I was
Christa Innis: like, why is she- I was, like, picturing him, like, twirling and trying to, like, land on his skate.
Sandra Weir: Yeah.
Christa Innis: But now I’m like, oh, skate park. He’s skateboarding.
Sandra Weir: Okay. And that, that makes more sense.
Christa Innis: Yeah. It also gives… I feel like I know his vibe now. Okay. He’s like a wedding.
Sandra Weir: Yeah, like a tomboy. You, I don’t care about anything.
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh, my God. Totally, like, grungy. Yeah.
Sandra Weir: Yeah. Oh, God.
Christa Innis: Um, okay. An hour before the ceremony, Noah’s friends came back with another tequila shot- Oh … and some bad news. Ethan still wasn’t back.
And neither was the caterer. I called him. “Where are you?” Ethan, “At the bar.” I looked out the window. “No, you’re not.” Ethan, “No, like, at a real bar. We stopped for a drink- What? … after photos.” This guy does not wanna get married.
Sandra Weir: No, he doesn’t. Nope.
Christa Innis: He’s like, “I gotta get- Well, literally it doesn’t matter … I gotta get all my drinking and my hanging out with the boys before I get married ’cause I’ll- Oh
you know, my old ball and chain,” like
Sandra Weir: I know-
Christa Innis: That’s what he probably- Like a bachelor party. Yes. Oh, no. He’s, like, acting like it’s a bachelor party.
Sandra Weir: Oh, God.
Christa Innis: Um, me, “We already paid for a full bar at the venue.” Ethan, “Well, we’re leaving now.” I told him we had 30 minutes and he needed to get there. Meanwhile, my brothers tracked down the caterer who had accidentally double-booked.
They were on their way but had no staff now to serve the food.
Sandra Weir: Oh my God. What?
Christa Innis: So my brothers, cousins, and uncle stepped in, setting everything up during the ceremony and serving all 200 guests themselves.
Sandra Weir: No way.
Christa Innis: Oh.
Sandra Weir: No way that happened. Oh my
Christa Innis: God. And they can’t even enjoy the wedding.
Sandra Weir: That’s insane. I mean, so sweet for- of them, but still insane.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Sandra Weir: Oh my God.
Christa Innis: And it’s like, that’s a, that’s a big wedding. 200 people- Yeah … like.
Sandra Weir: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Uh, geez.
Sandra Weir: Oh
Christa Innis: my gosh. Although, nowadays, I feel like that’s considered like mid-size. Oh, that sounds really-
Sandra Weir: Yeah. It is big.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Sandra Weir: Oh, God.
Christa Innis: And despite everything, guests had no idea how chaotic the day was. The Jell-O bucket became the highlight of the reception.
It got passed around between my bridesmaids- … my family, my ex and his friends.
Sandra Weir: Oh my God.
Christa Innis: And somehow everything came together. This story is so weird. Sorry. So
Sandra Weir: they got married. The groom showed up at some point.
When Everyone Saves the Wedding Except the Groom
Christa Innis: Yeah, it says, “That’s the story of how my seven bridesmaids, his ex…” Or no, “My seven bridesmaids, my ex, his two friends, and my entire family pulled off a wedding in just a few hours with everything stacked against us.
And honestly, if we hadn’t already been legally married, his actions that day might have made me call-” There you go … “the wedding and just throw a party without him.”
Sandra Weir: I was waiting for that. I was waiting for that, because I feel like if she wasn’t married, she might not have gotten married.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Sandra Weir: I wouldn’t have, at least.
Christa Innis: No.
Sandra Weir: So many red flags.
Christa Innis: And yes, that, just that last sentence alone- Oh my gosh … saying that it was your bridesmaids, your ex, his friends, and your family that pulled off the wedding. Y- your groom nowhere to be seen.
Sandra Weir: No.
Christa Innis: Your groom’s showing up late. He’s causing more of the stress than anybody.
Sandra Weir: That’s crazy.
Yeah, I feel like if your partner doesn’t back, back you up, then, you know, who else will?
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Sandra Weir: He needs to be your, like, number one in everything. Yeah. That’s absolutely crazy, but this was the weirdest story I’ve heard.
Christa Innis: So
Sandra Weir: weird. So many things happening, the ex, the Jell-O shots.
Christa Innis: I thought it was gonna end with…
Like, when it first started I was like, oh, the, the fiancé’s the ex. Like, they broke up.
Sandra Weir: Yeah. Or, or maybe she’ll, dumped the groom and then- Go with the ex …
Christa Innis: hook up with the ex on her wedding day. I want the story with the ex here. Why is he an ex, and why are we still calling him? And he’s like, “Yeah, I’ll come help you.
I’ll-“
Sandra Weir: Yeah,
Christa Innis: that’s- “… I’ll be a bartender at your wedding, but also kinda get you drunk.”
Sandra Weir: Yeah, that’s… Maybe he was in the family for many years.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Sandra Weir: That could’ve been,
Christa Innis: yeah. But it seems like the groom- Crazy … had no issue with it either. It makes me wonder if it was like because he knew he was kinda slacking, he’s like, “Whatever, I’ll let her,” like-
Sandra Weir: Handle it.
Christa Innis: Yeah. But I was like talking to someone recently on an episode. Mm-hmm. I don’t remember who it was, but talking about how like the wedding day and like leading up to the wedding day is just a pre-cur- is a precursor for your marriage. Mm-hmm. And so it’s like if you can’t work together to make this day work or like communicate or be there for each other-
Sandra Weir: Mm-hmm
Christa Innis: how is the marriage gonna be? Like, I don’t know. Exactly. I just… If he couldn’t even be there on time or do two things that she asked of him, how is this- What do
Sandra Weir: you expect?
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Sandra Weir: That’s true. Yeah, I mean- Yeah. I mean, that- that’s when- that’s one of your happiest days and you still don’t have, most of y- them don’t have kids.
You don’t have a mortgage yet. Like, there’s not many worries except for making that day perfect. And if they can’t, you know, deal with that, what do you expect when, like, the hard stuff comes to you? Like-
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm …
Sandra Weir: that’s, that’s so crazy.
Christa Innis: Yeah. It’s like, he’s just gonna dip out and go skate with his friends.
Sandra Weir: Yeah. Oh, God.
Christa Innis: I’m glad, I’m glad he got his hike and his skating in.
Sandra Weir: Right? Everything else doesn’t matter.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That is-
Sandra Weir: Poor bride. I feel for her. Like, that would be horrible. I could not imagine going through that.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Sandra Weir: Yeah.
Christa Innis: I know, and I feel like, too, like, looking back on your wedding day being like, he was nowhere to be found.
Like, thank God my family saved the day. It’s like-
Sandra Weir: Mm-hmm …
Christa Innis: that’s crazy.
Sandra Weir: No. And it’s so many, like, it’s, it was such a sh- like, a long time of things happening back to back to this poor bride. You know, like, I’ve seen, like, for example, I’ve seen, um, when people don’t have a wedding planner, um, the rings, like, no one can find the rings.
Like, we just saw that one in March. Really? Like, they were literally at, at the altar- … about to exchange rings, and no one could find the rings.
Christa Innis: No.
Sandra Weir: Yes. We were looking. E- I was even helping looking all the, with all the bridesmaids. That I, like, I’ll kind of get, because, you know, someone’s, typically someone’s in charge, but if you don’t have a planner then, you know, things can get, lines can get blurry and maybe- Mm-hmm
you don’t know or you don’t remember who has them now. But, like, going through so many things throughout the day, in your wedding day, that’s-
Christa Innis: Oh, my God … that’s like- Wait, so what happened with the rings? Did they find them?
Sandra Weir: They found them. Yeah. They were in a little box, but, like, I don’t even know they knew who were they handed f- to, because there was no one to help, like, no coordinator- Right
no nothing.
Christa Innis: Oh,
Sandra Weir: my. So yeah, they found them, but it was, like, at least five minutes they were standing there with no rings.
Christa Innis: And I’m sure in that, in that moment it probably feels like 30 minutes because it’s-
Sandra Weir: Yes … like, oh,
Christa Innis: my God,
Sandra Weir: they’re looking for- I feel like it was so long. Yeah. And I w- I can imagine being them and just waiting there on the altar.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Like, oh, my gosh. I know. Oh, my. I, I heard a s- a similar story where, um, the grandma, I feel like it was, like, right before the wedding, the grandma wanted the ring for, like, a picture. It was something.
Sandra Weir: Oh, God.
Christa Innis: She was like… And, and someone that, the person that gave it to her didn’t realize, like, she was super forgetful.
Sandra Weir: Oh, God.
Christa Innis: Like, “Okay, I’ll give it to you for a minute. Just make sure you put it back here.” She’s like, “Oh, yeah, I will.” And then it came time for the wedding and- Not having
Sandra Weir: the ring …
Christa Innis: the grandma was like, “I, I gave it back.” And they were like, “No, you didn’t.” Yeah. And, like, it was, like, this whole thing, and she was like, “Well, I don’t, I don’t know where it is.”
Oh, no. And they had a look and it was, like, it fell down, like, through a table, like, under the floor, and it was the same thing that was, like, during the reception. They were like, “Wait, we don’t have the rings. What’s this-“
Sandra Weir: Such a stressful moment. I mean-
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm …
Sandra Weir: you want everything to be perfect. You work hard to make this day happen for months, and, you know- Uh-huh
that’s, that’s, like, it shouldn’t be that hard to keep a ring in a box.
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh, my gosh, yeah. Crazy. Don’t… Give it to someone you trust.
Sandra Weir: I know.
Christa Innis: Okay, I always like to end these with confessions I write on, on social media. Mm-hmm. Um, people can, like, submit q- s- confessions anonymously. So- Mm-hmm … this was, “A big wedding fear you secretly had before the big day.”
Um, this person said, “My in-laws causing a scene, and they did.”
Sandra Weir: Oh my
Christa Innis: God. I’m gonna need more to that story.
Sandra Weir: Yeah, we need more of that.
Christa Innis: Um, “It’s a little silly, but I was terrified that my husband’s extended family would show up uninvited.”
Sandra Weir: Oh.
Christa Innis: I don’t think that’s silly, because you hear of things happening, like-
Sandra Weir: Yeah, of course
Christa Innis: but it sounds like they didn’t, I guess. Um- Oh … “Not married yet, but that my mom and step-mom are going to have a physical poten- a fight, potentially physical.”
Sandra Weir: My
Christa Innis: gosh.
Sandra Weir: They can’t control themselves on their wedding day? Come on. I,
Christa Innis: I know. It’s like you think- Oh my God … like, you should be able to, but the stories I’ve heard where it’s like people can’t even sit at a table with someone for, like- Mm-hmm
30 minutes.
Sandra Weir: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Um, I read a story where someone was, like, mad at, like, who she was sat by at the table and like demanded it was changed or she’s not gonna come, and I’m just like … Oh my God. Or people start fights in the bathroom. It’s just like, okay. It’s just- Crazy … it’s not about you. I know. Um, that my great-aunt, w- my dad’s aunt, would be rude to my mom and stepdad.
This said someone would turn up and try to cancel the wedding. Oh.
Sandra Weir: What?
Christa Innis: Where did that fear come from? Wow. Um, hating the, my hair because I hired my groom’s cousin.
Sandra Weir: Oh my God.
Christa Innis: Don’t hire someone that’s gonna make you afraid they’re gonna do a bad job on your hair.
Sandra Weir: I know.
Christa Innis: Um, okay, last one. My biggest fear was about guest behavior.
Mm-hmm. Ooh, I think that it says there’s gonna be more in another message, but I don’t see one. We gotta know more about this guest behavior.
Sandra Weir: Hmm.
Christa Innis: And then this other person said COVID, which valid, valid for that. Yeah, yeah. At that time, for sure.
Sandra Weir: Absolutely. Wow.
Christa Innis: Wow, okay. I feel like we, like, shared so many stories today.
Thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, thank you. It was- No,
Sandra Weir: thank you for having me …
Christa Innis: great meeting you, and yeah, chatting with… Again, I th- I think the business that you have is fantastic. Can you tell everyone again your business name, where they can follow you- Mm-hmm … find your content, and anything else fun you’re working on?
Sandra Weir: Absolutely. Um, business name, it’s The Wedding Nanny. They can find me on my website, www.theweddingnannynyc.com. Uh, same thing for my Instagram. It’s, uh, uh, ah, oh my God, theweddingnannynyc. Um, yeah, we have TikTok, but we really don’t use it much. It’s also theweddingnannynyc. So easy to find. Uh, if you’re interested in hiring our services, you can submit your inquiry through our, through our website, and then we’ll reach out within a few hours, and we’ll get this working for you.
Christa Innis: Awesome. Very cool. We’ll also link all of the details in the show notes. Thanks so much for coming on.
Sandra Weir: Thank you. Thank you so much for having me, Christa.
Private Ceremonies, Financial Fights, and an Uninvited Mom
My new book Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story is live!
Apparently, drama never stops!
This week, we are celebrating a major milestone: the one-year anniversary of Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story. There are also exciting updates on book two, Drama Ever After.
Before I get into the wedding story, I delve into wedding hot takes and a wedding dilemma involving a vow renewal with one big question: if your family made your wedding miserable ten years ago, do they deserve an invitation this time around?
Then we’re moving into the spotlight, where a sweet engagement turns into family conflict and financial tension that completely broke a mother-daughter relationship. Will this bride make it to the altar with her peace intact?
From cutting off toxic behavior to considering wedding security, this story is a reminder that protecting your peace sometimes comes with hard decisions.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- One Year of Here Comes the Drama – Celebrating the first anniversary of a book and more exciting updates on book two, Drama Ever After.
- The Vow Renewal Dilemma – A listener wonders whether family members who made their wedding miserable ten years ago deserve an invitation to their upcoming vow renewal.
- The Mom Who Showed Up Anyway – After saying she wouldn’t attend a venue tour, the bride’s mother unexpectedly arrives and leaves everyone confused.
- Birthday Drama Over Food Allergies – A family disagreement escalates when the bride’s mother blames her fiancé’s allergies for ruining her birthday plans.
- When Money Becomes the Real Issue – Financial stress and lingering resentment threaten to overshadow the wedding planning process.
- The Importance of Wedding Boundaries – Why protecting your peace sometimes means limiting access to the people causing the most drama.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “It’s not about what people said, it’s about how they made you feel.”
- “Think about your budget ahead of time.”
- “I love Pinterest, but you gotta use it in the right way.”
- “Think about what’s most important to you and put that top of your bucket, and don’t compare yourself.”
- “Stay on the same page. Cut out the toxic behavior, and then get on the same page when it comes to everything you wanna do moving forward.”
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Christa Innis: Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Here Comes the Drama. I’m your host, Christa Innis. Thanks for being here. First things first, I wanna do a little mini celebration with you guys. If you follow me on social, you’ve probably seen, but it’s been exactly one year, June 12th actually was one year, since my book, Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story, was released.
One Year Anniversary: Here Comes The Drama
I was actually doing a podcast interview and when we stopped recording, she looked behind me and she was like, ” Oh, did you write a book? What’s it about?” And I was telling her all about it, and I happened to look up at the date and I was like, oh my gosh, it was exactly one year ago today that it was released.
And after we, you know, signed off and, all that good stuff, I started looking into it. It was a year before that, so it was like June 2024 when I started the Ferris and Sloan skit and started talking to the audience about possibly writing a book, and then it was June 2025 where the book came out. And here we are, June 2026, a year later, and it’s just wild to see what’s changed since then in my content, more stories that have come out, and the progress I’m making with book number two So first, if you’re new here and you’ve not read book number one, here’s a little review.
This is one of the most recent reviews. Actually, it was just left… Oh, it was just posted today as I’m recording, on June 16th. I did not notice that when I put this in here. this person says, “Love this book. I have followed this story since the beginning. I thought I loved the character then, but with the added details, they came to life even more.
Can’t wait to read even more from Krista.” So that was my goal with this book. So a little quick background, so not to do, like, repeat myself, but a little quick background. 2024, I started this storyline. I was putting my daughter down to bed, and this story popped into my mind. And I literally heard the first line of the mom walking into the room saying, “Oh, I knew she would do this to get my son away from me.”
And from there, it just kind of blossomed. At that point, I had no idea it was gonna be as long as it was, and I just kept kind of adding more and more to it. this was the first skit that was longer. I think at that point, my longest one was maybe four parts with not, like, a real storyline. I kinda just did, like, goofy things.
This one went so long. The first season was 16 parts. I did a second season that was 16 parts. then I did a third season while writing this book , that was too much. I don’t recommend it to anybody. but season three, I think I did a little bit shorter, and then I also did a prequel. So if you’re just getting into the Ferris and Sloan era or series, there’s a lot you can get into.
I’ve always told people, go back. If you’re gonna watch it, watch season one, two, then three, then go back to the prequel. book one that I wrote, Here Comes the Drama, basically covers season one, but like this review says, it adds a lot more background that that you can’t see in these one-person skits.
It adds a lot more character development, character detail, descriptions, and then a lot more dialogue. And then of course, I changed certain things that happened because when I was creating these skits, especially then, I was just thinking as I went, right? I’d kinda have an idea of what was gonna happen, but ultimately I’d pick up the phone and just saw what came out.
Also at that time, I was not planning very well. So I would just have all of the accessories in front of me, and I would basically just I don’t know, like pick them up one by one. I’d be like, “Okay, Jenny. Okay, Faris. Okay, Mom,” you know? And just kind of running through all of it. So it was a wild time. now I ha- happy to say I actually script everything out ahead of time, and so that way I can have, like, outfits for each character, and I feel like it’s a lot more smooth.
but it was a process. My goal has always been to write a book, so it was just… The timing was amazing. Everyone was just so excited and interested in this, storyline and these characters that I was just so overjoyed to be able to do this, and it was just such an honor. So Here Comes the Drama: The Faris and Sloan Story, now officially been out for a year.
Book number two, just a little update for those interested, book number two is going to be called Drama Ever After as of now. and it mostly follows season two, but again, there’s a lot of extra stuff that you never saw in the skits. because when I take it back and write it all through, I reread through everything so many times and I’m like, “Wait, that doesn’t make sense.
I don’t like the name for this person. I don’t think they should live there. I don’t think they should wear this.” You know, that kind of thing. So, a lot of updates as I kind of go back through everything so book number two has been written. We’re kind of in the editing phase. We already did one round of developmental edits with my, literary agent, and then I just sent the next edits a couple months ago.
So hoping to hear back soon if there’s some more edits we need or what kind of the next process would be. Really excited for that, and I’ll stop blabbing. But it just kind of took me for a loop when I was like, “Oh my gosh, it’s been a year since it’s been out.” It feels like so much and so much time and so little time, all at the same time, if that makes sense.
Okay, let’s get into it. So starting off today, when I do solo episodes, I really try to find good dilemmas. so this is called Wedding Dilemma section. if you have a wedding dilemma you would like me to address or ask the audience, please send it to me directly. You can email me, hello@kristaennis.com.
Wedding Dilemma: A 10-Year Conflict
You can DM me on social media. And these are usually shorter little stories where you’re looking for some real-life advice. so here’s one that I came across today. Okay, it says, ” My husband and I have been married for 10 years now. Before our wedding, we made the decision to get married privately with just the two of us.
Afterward, we threw a celebration with all of our friends and family because at the end of the day, we felt our wedding was about us and our commitment to each other. My family was incredibly happy for us and completely supportive. My husband, however, is one of eight siblings, and several of them, let’s just say, are entitled.
They felt the need to call him and tell him he was selfish” Oh my gosh, okay. ” Selfish and wrong for not including them in our actual wedding ceremony even though every single one of them was invited to the celebration afterward.” Then came the party itself. Out of all eight siblings, only one gave us as much as a card.
One sibling showed up alone because his family didn’t want to spend the money since we were already married. Others acted like the celebration didn’t matter because they hadn’t witnessed the ceremony itself. I won’t lie, it hurt, not because we regretted our decision, but because the people who claimed they were so upset about being excluded didn’t seem to care once they were actually included.
It’s taken me a long time to make peace with it, but here we are, 10 years later, happier than ever, and planning to renew our vows this spring. So I have a question for your viewers. Do we invite his family this time around? Ooh, okay, a lot going on here. My immediate response, and I’m gonna talk myself through this, and I wanna hear what you guys have to say, of course.
my immediate response is no. Because, one, we’re hearing that they are extremely entitled. Because you didn’t invite them the way they wanted to be invited, they took that as you don’t wanna include us. But it’s not like anybody else was a part of that. Like you said, it was very important to have that moment alone with just you and your husband to show your commitment to each other, and I think that’s beautiful.
I love that you guys did that. I think that’s so powerful, and you said, “We want this moment alone together.” The fact that none of them… So they came… Wait, out of all eight siblings, so one gave a card, one came alone, ’cause they didn’t wanna bring the family because you’re already married. It doesn’t say anything about the other siblings.
I don’t know if I can assume they, all the other ones came, but they didn’t send a card or anything, or did none of them come? let’s see
Out of all eight, only one gave us a card, one showed up alone. Others just acted like it didn’t matter. So I don’t know if acting like it didn’t matter mean they didn’t show up, or when they came, they were kinda just like whatever about it, which to me, that’s kind of like, that’s kinda icky in itself, right?
they’re gonna come by and just be like, “Well, you’re already married, so whatever, it doesn’t matter.” If they showed up, that’s a little different for my response, like they showed up, But what do they say? it’s not about what people said, it’s about how they made you feel. So if they came, and they kinda just made you feel like, ” Okay, well at least we came to this, but you didn’t include us, and we’re mad now, and we’re gonna make you feel bad for not inviting us,” that’s one thing.
I also want you to think about how the last 10 years been with them. Do you guys see each other? Do you guys make an effort to see each other? How does your husband feel about everything? Does he still talk to them, or is there kind of a weird rift ever since then? there’s a lot of factors include, I can’t just say yes or no.
do we invite his family this time around? My gut, because you’re asking it, do we invite it, it makes me think that you and your husband are already on the edge of like, ” No, they don’t support us. They were weird at our initial, wedding celebration.” And also, can we just pause for a second?
Why are people so, like, entitled to other people’s weddings? Like, here’s the thing. Many times when you actually go to someone’s wedding, they’re not actually legally married at that point. Does that bother you? Someone I talked to once, she said they didn’t even, like, have the paperwork filled out, and some people made comments about it.
They’re like, “Well, it’s not even a real wedding.” And she’s like, ” Okay, but you wouldn’t be there when we’re signing the paperwork anyway,” right? There’s a witness later on that’s usually with the maid of honor, best man, so you’re not really there to see it. So I think that’s very odd in itself. So here’s my thing. If the other siblings didn’t show up, they were rude, they made comments, and then over the last 10 years they’ve made comments, they don’t show up to things for you and your husband, maybe kids’ birthdays or things, then I would say maybe don’t invite them. Maybe just invite some- a close group of friends or people that you can really rely on.
If in the last 10 years you have kinda made amends, you still think about that day, but you’re like, “Okay, we’ve moved, past this. My husband’s still really close with his siblings. we’ve gotten together for holidays. We’re happy in our marriage. We want to show that to everybody and celebrate,” I would say invite them.
So I know it’s not just a yes or no, but think about also how many people. If you’re like, “Okay, we only want to invite 20 people,” how’s that number looking? With eight siblings and their significant others,their kids, that adds up very fast. so think about how that’s gonna fit into numbers. Is this going to make a bigger, gap in the family dynamic?
Would your husband be upset by that? So there’s a lot of things to kinda think about, and maybe you can give me a follow-up, too, as well to kind of understand, like, what exactly happened. it’s hard. It’s hard, and it’s very complex because of, yes, the siblings did act very entitled.
I’m a little stumped by this one. I would ask yourself all these questions and be like, “Okay, what are we looking for? If they come, are they going to make comments that’s gonna make me uncomfortable? Am I still uncomfortable by them?” Because if you are, and if your husband and you still kind of feel icky about that day and don’t see them a lot, I would say do not invite them.
So based on what I see in front of me, and the fact that you’re asking, ” Do we invite his family?” I’m gonna say no if it’s not a great relationship
To me, someone that was entitled to or felt like they were entitled to see the full wedding ceremony and the after party doesn’t matter, they’re not gonna feel like vow renewals matter. They might roll their eyes, they might come late, they might come and just make comments about like, “Oh, I had to take off work,” or, just make comments about it.
So if you feel deep down that it’s going to take away from the celebration and take away from the day and kind of make you feel hurt again, I would say no. I would say leave them out. so there’s a lot to consider here. I wanna throw this off to my audience as well, so if you guys have something to say, please comment on social media or YouTube and let us know what you guys have to say about the situation.
And to this person, if you have more to add, please send it to me, like some more details that we kinda talked about, and I can comment as well, like oh, from the person, if you wanna do it anonymously. All right. Thanks for sending it in. again, as I’ve said, if you guys have your own wedding dilemma that you want me to push out to the audience, you want me to answer myself, email me, hello@christainnis.com or you can DM me on the socials.
Wedding Hot Takes: Finance and Wedding Expectations
Okay, let’s get into some hot takes. Here we go. Guest experience hot takes. If your wedding requires a flight and hotel, you should not expect a gift. Oh, one more thing I wanna say about this dilemma. I don’t think the gift or card thing should be part of the issue. again, I don’t know anything about travel, if they had to travel to get to you, take time off work.
The gift thing shouldn’t be it, but I think it was already just kinda like stinging because of how they acted. Anyway, back to this. Okay
If your wedding requires a flight and a hotel, you should not expect a gift I know a lot of people are gonna disagree with me, but I agree with this. I had this wedding etiquette expert on here, and she talked about how you shouldn’t show up empty-handed to any kind of event. But that doesn’t mean you need to spend a ton of money.
Think about your budget ahead of time. Like, let’s say for all wedding events, you can spend $200. That means 50 here, 50 here, 100 here, right? So if you’re spending a flight and a hotel, you should not have to buy a real expensive gift. I really don’t think you should. But bring a card. maybe it’s a card and then a gift card to their favorite restaurant, or maybe it’s a card and a bottle of wine.
So you can get a bottle of wine for $10. You can get a bottle of wine for $50 and probably more. I… Not that I would know, because I don’t buy expensive wine. but just something nice to show, like, “Thank you for inviting me and bringing me here.” But again, like, for my own wedding, people that traveled in, I did not even expect them to get me a gift.
You’re paying for a hotel, rental car possibly, a flight, possibly a new outfit. Like, that takes a lot, taking time off work. so no, I did not expect a gift from all these people that traveled in. Guests care more about food and timing than your decor. I 100% agree. I know me as a guest, I care way more about the food, drinks, and timing.
I don’t wanna be waiting a long time. I want a good vibe. I notice decor when I walk in because I’ve worked in weddings. I love weddings. I adore decorations, but your average person is not gonna notice decor. They’re not gonna look back at a wedding and be like, ” Wow, that decor.” Some weddings, every once in a while I’m like, I think about a wedding and I’m like, ” That was beautiful.”
But I, think more about, like, the venue, and I think about, like, maybe some little details. Like, I went to a wedding once, shout out Mandy, where they had a chocolate menu. The menu was literally made of chocolate, and I’d never seen or witnessed anything before like that in my life, and I was like, “I will literally never forget this.”
But her and her family are just amazing at detail and everything. But again, the average person will not care as much about detail. Okay. A wedding that runs on time is more impressive than one that looks expensive. I don’t know if impressive is the right word, ‘ cause there’s a lot of things, like, your guests will never know.
Like, if you’re running 15 minutes behind, unless it’s the ceremony, everything else, if you’re running five to 10, 15 minutes behind, people will not notice. Now, where you run into like an hour behind or 45 minutes behind, people will notice if they’re waiting. but yeah, I, think people like being on time.
I don’t know if it’s necessarily more impressive or not. Long gaps between ceremony and reception are worse than having a short ceremony It depends. Is there a long gap where there’s a cocktail hour and hors d’oeuvres or, like, snacky foods? How long is this gap? I would say no longer than an hour and a half.
that’s usually plenty of time to mingle, to hang out. I love a good gap where you can, like, go see people. It is kind of awkward when the gap is so short, and you don’t actually get to, like, see people or get to, like, hang out, and it’s just, like, one thing to the other, and it feels very, like, business.
It doesn’t feel like a fun event. So there’s a definite, like, happy medium, I would say. I wouldn’t say it’s worse than a short ceremony because I don’t think short ceremonies are bad either. I’ve been a part of ceremonies that were 10 minutes, and it was perfect. It was absolutely perfect. one of the weddings I did last year, she knew exactly what she wanted.
She was like, “We’re literally just gonna bas- like, walk out there, get to our spots, say something, like, very quick. It’s gonna be, like, 10 minutes, walk back.” That was such a fun wedding to coordinate. that was not the only part I coordinated, but it was so fun. She knew what she wanted to do. It was 10 minutes long, and I had no problem with it.
I thought it was great Okay. this next category is money and expectations. The average wedding cost pressure is ruining what weddings are supposed to be. I 100% agree with that. I feel like it started with, like, the Pinterest. Like, right? It’s like Pin- and I’m not bashing Pinterest.
I love Pinterest, but you gotta use it in the right way and have the right, like, blockers on, right? People see these Pinterest weddings, and they think, like, “This is so doable. I can do this for $10,000.” Like, no, those are, like, usually 75,000 to $100,000, right? so you can look to kinda get inspiration, but people see these crazy Pinterest and social media weddings thinking, like, ” That’s what I have to do to impress my guests.”
And you can do all of it for so much cheaper. Cut the corners a little bit. Do what’s really important to you. Spend what’s important to you. Like, if food’s really important to you, spend more on food. If, good wine is important to you, spend more on good wine. If, flowers is more important to you.
Think about what’s most important to you and put that top of your bucket, and don’t compare yourself. that’s where people get lost, the comparison of, like, ” Oh, I went to Jenny’s wedding, and they were in this ballroom, and there was a three-course meal, and we had champagne at every table.” Just think about what makes sense for you.
So easy to get lost in it. So yeah, I think there’s a lot of pressure. Social media, like, I’ll be scrolling, and I’m like, “Oh my gosh, this wedding is beautiful. Oh, I wish I did that.” I’m like, “That’s so not me. So unrealistic.” open bars are overrated if your crowd isn’t big drinkers.
Yeah, I would agree. I mean, I’m someone where I think an open bar is, like, pretty standard for weddings. I’ve been to some that have been just, like, beer and wine and, like, some cocktails, and I think that’s fine too. I don’t think you need top-shelf open bar.but yeah, definitely know your audience.
I think also, what does the couple want? Are they big drinkers, or do they not drink? If you don’t drink, there’s no need for an open bar. Have just some options if you want, or have a dry bar. No shame in that. Spending beyond your means for one day is almost never worth it. Yeah, I 100% agree with that one.
I’ve heard some people say they, like, spent crazy amounts of money, and they, like, opened up credit cards and- Teach their own. Teach their own, but I don’t recommend it. you don’t wanna start off the first year of your marriage being in debt and struggling to pay it back. yes, people will gift you money, but who’s to say it’s gonna cover what, what you spent?
Really stick to your budget. I think it’s just so much better walking into a marriage saying like, “Oh, now we have this extra money in our savings. We stayed really below budget.” I remember saying, like, in my 20s, like, when I would think about weddings and stuff, I’d be like, “Oh, I wanna have, like, over 200 people there.”
And then I guess I got a little bit older and, like, your circle gets a little bit smaller, and you realize, like, who’s really been there for you? Who do you really wanna see on your wedding day? I think we ended up inviting, like, 150 maybe. 130 were there. And I just think it’s really important to step back a little bit and, you know, see who’s gonna be with you for the long haul.
Okay. That’s all I got for wedding hot takes. If you have a hot take, send it to me. I love surveying the audience on these hot takes. Sometimes I’ll, like, share one, and I’m like, “I didn’t really know that was a hot take.”
Okay. this is a little, like, behind-the-scenes before we get to this week’s story submission. So on YouTube, I’m starting to do a mini s- uh, not really miniseries. They’re YouTube Shorts. I’m doing, like, two to three mini… YouTube Shorts every single week now. They have nothing to do with the storyline that I’m currently working on.
It’s just a fun way to share, like, little segments. so check those out on YouTube Shorts, and then I’m also working on a new series. I don’t wanna spoil too much, ’cause I’m still kinda tweaking it a little bit, but it’s gonna be called, like, Coffee Confessions, and it’s gonna be a new series where there’s reoccurring characters from bigger skits.
And again, they’ll have nothing to do with the main storyline, but I’m kinda pulling them out and having them appear in different, fun places. So that’s, again, a little behind the scenes for my, real listeners here. I’m not gonna post it anywhere else. no, so these will be mostly on… These will be only on YouTube, my new YouTube Shorts, and then this, little coffee convos, Coffee Confessions.
I thought it’d be a fun way to show, like, the different sides of characters. Like, if Kate showed up somewhere and was, like, chatting with a stranger, like, really talking herself up. so more to come on that, but I just wanted to share a little, little something I’m working on with you guys. Okay, let me drink some water and,Get to this week’s story submission. All right. As a reminder, all of these episodes are… You can listen to them, and can see the full thing on YouTube. So obviously, if you’re already watching it on YouTube, you know that. But if you’re listening to it, these are also posted on YouTube. I’m so close to hitting 100,000 followers, which is just wild to think about.
so if you’ve not yet subscribed on my YouTube, please subscribe there. I’m gonna be doing a big giveaway when I hit 100,000. We are about 8,000 subscribers away, so getting there.
Love, Loyalty, And Locked Doors
Okay, time for this week’s story submission. ” Hi, Christa. I’ve been listening to and watching your skits and podcasts for quite some time, and my fiancé surprised me with a copy of your book.”
Ooh, Green Flags. I love that. ” I love them all. Now it’s time for my turn to tell my story. I’ll be sending different parts and writing as I go. Please feel free to use my story for your podcast or a skit if you would like. My fiancé Ryan and I,” names have been changed, ” got engaged around our 11-month anniversary in February of 2026.”
This is happening right now. Okay. I’m gonna change any other personal details so that no one knows it’s them. Okay. “We were out on a walk at a park near our home near New York when he took my hand and led me to a tree where we’d taken our first selfie together. He got down on one knee and asked me to marry him.
I cried during the proposal and even while saying yes. Ryan originally planned to propose on our one-year anniversary, but he couldn’t wait any longer. We announced our engagement on Facebook, called our parents, and celebrated with dinner at an expensive restaurant thanks to some help from Ryan’s coworkers.
While Ryan was planning the proposal, I was going through a difficult time because I was losing my daytime job at my job…” I’m not gonna say the name. it’s a nurse and chef gear store that also does embroidery. ” My boss had planned to sell everything and switch to an online store. I wasn’t having much luck finding a new job, and it was really stressing me out.
Our engagement helped keep me going while I continued my job search, went to interviews, and finished my responsibilities at my job.” while she still had it. About a week after getting engaged, and after a lot of excitement and encouragement from our families, we finally set our date, and again, I’m not gonna say the date to give them some privacy.
while we announced the date, my stepmom, Laura, and dad, David, and later my mom, Michelle, agreed it was the perfect date since it’s actually two days before my 34th birthday. All names have been changed. They even said having a wedding that day is actually the best birthday present ever from Ryan.
I agreed. It really does feel like the greatest birthday gift, and also a wonderful anniversary gift for my future in-laws, whose anniversary is two days before the wedding. Throughout the first month of wedding planning, there was already some drama involving my mom, which eventually led to her cutting me out of her life.
Wow, okay. That’s a lot. For some background, my parents are separated when I was four and divorced when I was five. My dad married Laura when I was six, and we didn’t get along until I reached adulthood. My parents have never gotten along, even after remarrying. My mom remarried when I was 15, and I got along well with my stepdad, Steve.
There’s a lot of people to consider and think about here. A few years after I moved into my first apartment in 2018, after my maternal grandma passed away, things started getting rocky between my mom, Steve, and me. It happened when I lost my job as a daycare teacher and continued through my mom’s cancer diagnosis in summer of 2022.
Even though I’ve tried to fix my mistakes, nothing ever seems to be enough for them, especially when it comes to my jobs and paying back my college loans. Before moving into my first apartment, I’d also gotten into a fight with my dad, and we didn’t speak for nearly six years. Thankfully, we’re on good terms now again after I reached out in early 2024.
A lot going on here with the parents. that’s a lot to handle Before we even got engaged, my dad and Laura told us that in October of 2025 that they would help with the wedding. She’s really good with dates here. I’m trying to, like, picture it all, like, when this all happened. Okay. they would help with the wedding.
Then around Christmas 2025, Ryan’s cousin had their reception at a rescue fire hall in another place in New York, and we decided we wanted to use the same venue. It was beautifully decorated with Christmas trees, fake snow, and gold and white lights. Ryan’s mom’s cousin, we’ll call him Mike, owns a catering business and manages the hall, and luckily, he and my stepmom already knew each other.
in early March, I invited my mom and Steve to come look at the venue with us. The morning of the appointment, my mom called while I was in the middle of a phone interview. When I called her back, she was upset and said she couldn’t come because it would be too awkward. She was also frustrated about the financial issues we were having, which had caused some of my paychecks to bounce at the time.
Mom’s Surprise Show-Up
She took that as me not trying hard enough, even though I was actively job searching and handling things as best as I could. Situations like that made me feel so overwhelmed that I worried about my health from the stress. I told my stepmom that my mom wouldn’t be coming, and she would eventually talk things through and find a way to help keep the peace, even suggesting separate wedding showers if needed.
I hate that. Why can’t we get along for one day? Like, I get there’s, like, a lot of nuance to different relationships, and we don’t know what happened, but put them on opposite sides of the room. Believe me, I’ve been to weddings, showers, bachelorette parties, many different events where two people hated each other in the room, and they made it work.
They made it work. Maybe they went home and talked badly about each other, I don’t know, but they were there, and it was fine. I think people can do that, right? Oh gosh. Okay. ” I felt a little bit better until we got to the wedding venue and I saw my mom’s car already parked there. None of us expected her to show up.”
That’s weird. ” Thankfully, everyone was polite and the meeting went smoothly. Ryan and I decided to book the fire hall for both the ceremony and reception. After we paid, my mom left right away.” Okay, interesting Later that night, I checked in with her and thanked her for coming. She replied that she had fun, but that turned out not to be true.
I wonder what made her change her mind. we moved forward with planning the bridal shower and other details, but more drama hit on March 13th when my mom called me repeatedly during another job interview. When I finally called her back, she accused us of ruining her 60th birthday because Ryan’s allergies.
What? She knew he couldn’t eat at the restaurant she had chosen. I’m sorry, what? And despite trying to find options, nothing was safe for him. That argument ended with me telling her not to worry about helping with the wedding anymore. Okay. A lot of people have allergies, whether it’s like gluten intolerance, dairy, like whatever.
They have allergies. It’s not him ruining, her wedding. Like, I mean, you guys know this listening, but any sane person knows that. She can pick a restaurant and he can bring something, or he can, you know… Maybe they just have a small, birthday. Like I would never accuse… Like one of my best friends has a ton of allergies, right?
I would never accuse her of ruining something I wanted to do because of her allergies. That’s wild, wild behavior. Okay. So it led to them not wanting to help with the wedding anymore. The next day, things escalated even further. She called again demanding money and accused me of killing her financially.
So what is this about the finances? So the mom’s struggling, the person writing in, the bride is losing her job. But where’s the gap here? Does she owe the mom money? Does the mom think the daughter owes her money for something? That’s what I’m kinda missing here. It doesn’t say why the mom’s wanting money from her.
I don’t know if there’s some, like IOU thing or what’s going on. She insisted we meet. Then I got into her car. She began to yell at me. When I tried to leave, she refused to let me out until I threatened to call the police. Okay, this is toxic. Yeah, I would not be inviting this person to my wedding or having them anywhere near me, especially your mom.
Okay She threw my ID at me, called me names, and told me to have a nice life. Okay, done. I don’t know what that is. Done. That’s what I meant to do. Done, done. again, I don’t know the backstory here. I feel like there’s a little gap, something’s missing, something between you and your mom. I know you said something started a while back, but I’m not sure where the finances are coming into it, if she felt like you owed her for something, she was never paid back for something.
Do you agree that you owe her s- for something? Is she now mad seeing that you guys are putting money into a wedding when you still owe her money? I don’t know what that is. It just says she’s frustrated about financial issues we were having. so I’m a little confused by that. Okay, maybe we’re gonna get a follow-up on that.
okay. After that, Ryan and I made the decision to not invite her or my stepdad. It was incredibly difficult, but Ryan stood by me through everything. See, here’s where I would be a little apprehensive now. I agree with not inviting her because anyone that acts like that, this toxic behavior, you don’t know what they’re gonna do.
you’re gonna need security, ‘ cause she knows where you’re getting married now. and I’m glad I took out… ‘Cause when this person sent me all these details, like she put in like the city, she put in where they’re getting married, when they’re getting married. I’m like, I’m gonna take out all these details.
but it sounds like the mom was there, so I would get some kind of security to make sure she doesn’t show up, ’cause the fact that at the venue walkthrough she said, ” I’m not coming,” and called you that morning freaking out, but then was there early before everybody else and seemed fine, she has the potential to maybe show up at a wedding she’s not invited to it says, “My dad and Laura apologized for what I went through and encouraged me to focus on the wedding instead.
Wedding Stresses: Financial and Social Burden
I picked up more hours at work, we adjusted financially, and we kept planning. We also tried to plan an engagement party, but ended up canceling due to schedule conflicts.” Okay, I do not wanna come off judgy here. I need to know more about this financial issue. Is it with the mom? Are you and your husband having financial issues?
Is she taking some of the burden? Where’s this financial, like, stress coming from? I would say if you guys, again, and I’m not a financial coach, don’t take financial advice from me, I’m just curious about if there’s stress with finances or debt, there seems to be a lot of extra costs. I’m trying to say this in the nicest way ever.
It seems like we’re planning a wedding, paying for a venue. Is that money coming from somewhere else? Is that your money or, fiancé’s money? And then don’t plan these extra things, right? Engagement party, not needed, not needed. The only time I think they’re really fun is, like, if they propose, like, that day and then you guys do some, like, fun little shindig together.
But to plan these elaborate engagement parties, it’s not needed. it’s such a money suck, an extra cost. If you can afford it, great. If there was already some financial stress and, like, that’s pulling people away, it’s okay. It’s okay to hold off. Okay. “On top of everything, we were dealing with the loss of a family member, friends facing job struggles, and uncertainty about who would even be able to attend the wedding.
It felt like one thing after another. Despite all this, we are still moving forward. Planning has slowed down, but we’re focusing on what matters most and doing the best we can. That’s part one of my story. With everything that’s happened so far, I’d really appreciate any advice you might have.”
Okay. So I know I’ve kinda stopped along the way and shared my advice as it kinda comes up. There’s a lot going on here. I think you guys are made a really smart choice of not allowing your mom at the wedding. I think it sounds like you and her already had some issues, and it’s toxic. At this point, her screaming at you, throwing things at you, telling you to have a nice life, she’s either serious or she’s trying to test and see what she can get away with.
that’s good. keep that distant, I think. as for everything else, I’m not really sure, again, where there seems to be a gap here. Something is missing. I don’t know where the financial issues are coming from, where the mom keeps bringing up, we’re having financial issues. The job thing as well, I’m not really sure.
It sounds like you’re still able to work a little bit before the job completely moves online. So I would just, you know, keep doing what you’re doing with focusing on that. It sounds like there’s a lot of parties here. You guys are doing a good job of sticking together. It sounds like your husband or your soon-to-be husband is behind you, like, in every decision you make.
He behind you, by your side in every decision you make, which is what you need. I’m hoping you don’t have a part two with more other stories. It sounds like you are anticipating more stories, more things to happen. I hope not. But again, I would really encourage you to look into some kind of security for your wedding, just to make sure mom doesn’t show up.
Because it sounds like she knows what the venue is, she knows the date, she knows all the details. so making sure you are limiting your, her access to you. yeah, that’s what I would say about that. Again, you guys listening, tell me what you guys think. I think there is a lot missing here. I think we could get a little bit more out of here.
Just trying to make sure. I know people, sometimes you guys listen it back through and you’ll be like, “Oh, you missed this. oh, she said this.” when I read it through the first time live, I, sometimes I miss some things. So it sounds to me when I’m reading it through that your mom is maybe stressed about you not having money or a job coming in, and then there’s some kind of other, thing.
Okay. Wait. I’m finding it as I’m kinda going back here. Okay. So it says, Even though I fix my mistakes, nothing ever seems to be enough for them, especially when it comes to my jobs and paying back my college loans. That’s what it is. So the mom is mad that you’re not paying her back for your college loans.
Again, that’s a thing that’s gonna be different for every family. Some families, the parents pay. Some, they expect the kids to pay back. Some, it’s financial loans like college loans. Like, that’s what I’m currently paying off. but It sounds like you guys were on good terms up until the wedding, and she was supportive of the date.
So I think the stress of the wedding is getting to her, and she’s like, “Well, you haven’t paid me back for your college loans yet. Why are you paying for a wedding? And now you’re losing your job. Where’s this money coming from?” And finance and money brings a lot of stress, like, and if we have financial stress from our previous generation, it gets carried on after care- like, each generation, right?
so I think it really has to do with that. She’s seeing you spend this money, but maybe her and her husband now are having financial issues because she feels like she’s owed this money from your college loans. And again, I’m not gonna say what’s right or wrong. Every family does it different.
I don’t know what you and your mom agreed to. If she said, “Oh, I’ll pay for half your college, and you pay the rest,” or, ” We’re gonna go through a financial institution, and you have to make payments,” I don’t know. So that I can’t really give too much advice on, but it sounds like a lot of stress on both sides.
I mean, it’s not like you even asked her for money for the wedding. Saying that you’re ruining, or that Ryan is ruining her 60th birthday is very odd to me. Again, I don’t know what his allergies are, I’m sure you can find a place if she really wants to celebrate with everyone.
If it doesn’t work, I know people that have allergies, and they just bring something separate, or they eat before, or they eat after. Usually, they can make it work. I’ve never heard of an allergy where you just, like, can’t go places, unless it’s, like, super extreme. So I think you’re doing everything right.
Make sure you guys just stay on the same page. Cut out the toxic behavior, and then just get on the same page when it comes to everything you wanna do moving forward. sounds like you were able to pick up more hours at work. I don’t know if that’s your current job. I’m really dissecting this one, you guys.
What do you… What… Tell me what you guys think. I really hope there’s not more. It sounds like you’re anticipating more issues, but if you guys just stay firm with your mom’s not invited. I don’t know if you’ve told her yet, or how you’re gonna tell her, or if you’re gonna tell her. but I would just say stick together, yeah.
That’s wild. That’s wild. All right. sometimes I’m just at a loss for words. I think I had many words, but, you know. All right. Let’s end with some confessions. A moment you felt overwhelmed at your own wedding or someone else’s
I was maid of honor. At cocktail hour, a friend spilled a full glass of wine on me accidentally. Yeah, that would overwhelm me, yeah.
Had to greet everyone, didn’t eat properly. I’ve heard that a lot. If you are a bride, sneak some snacks in the back, have something set aside for you, have a wedding planner, day coordinator, your maid of honor pull something aside so you can scarf down some food. Make sure you’re eating. My photographer was amazing and literally put in the schedule, “Krista, eat.”
And when I would get too distracted and start talking to my bridal party, she’s like, “Krista, you gotta eat. Krista, you gotta eat. Here’s a sandwich. You gotta eat.” So, you need someone like that. tried not to cry from stress when guests kept asking me questions. Is that during the wedding planning or during the wedding itself?
Okay. When distant relatives came through the receiving line and my dad assumed I knew them well. This makes me think you didn’t know they were invited and your dad just invited them. There’s something weird about certain people where they want, like, second and third cousins invited or, like, distant relatives that they never see, and you don’t know them, and it’s like, “But it’s, a party for everybody.”
It’s like, no, like, that’s weird to meet someone or, like, see someone for the first time after 10 years at your wedding. Like, we don’t need that. Okay, guys. That’s all I got this week. My voice is dried out. I need to rest it a little bit. Thanks for hanging out with me, and I will see you next time. Bye now.
Family Expectations, Types of MILs, and the Relationship Advice Couples Need with Dr. Tracy Dalgleish
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This week, I’m joined by psychologist and couples therapist Dr. Tracy Dalgleish, and honestly… this conversation felt like therapy for every person who’s ever dealt with difficult in-laws, wedding drama, or the classic “that’s just how my family is” excuse. We get into the REAL reason weddings bring out so much tension, why mother-in-law relationships can feel so complicated, and how couples can stop getting stuck in the middle of everyone else’s expectations.
We also react to listener stories involving crying over wedding invitations, passive-aggressive comments, controlling family dynamics, and boundary-crossing behavior that had me internally screaming. If you’re engaged, married, dealing with family pressure, or just love hearing about messy relationship dynamics… this episode is for you.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Why Weddings Trigger Family Drama – Dr. Tracy explains how weddings become emotional pressure cookers because families, traditions, expectations, and control issues all collide at once.
- “That’s Just My Mom” Is NOT Helpful – Christa and Dr. Tracy unpack why dismissing your partner’s feelings damages trust and what supportive responses actually sound like.
- The Six Types of Mothers-in-Law – Dr. Tracy shares how identifying behavior patterns can help couples stop personalizing conflict and respond more effectively.
- Guest List Guilt & Wedding Control – A listener story sparks a conversation about crying over wedding invitations, emotional manipulation, and standing firm in your choices.
- Boundaries Aren’t About Controlling People – One of the biggest takeaways of the episode: boundaries are about what YOU will do when someone crosses the line.
- The Internet’s “Cut Them Off” Culture – Christa and Dr. Tracy discuss why social media pushes black-and-white thinking and why real relationships are much more nuanced.
- Love Is Hard… And That’s Normal – The episode challenges the fairytale idea that healthy relationships should always feel easy and effortless.
- Why Couples Need To Be On The Same Team – From in-law tension to parenting differences, the conversation keeps coming back to one thing: connection between partners matters most.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “People are gonna people. You can’t control every little thing they do.” – Christa Innis
- “I feel like weddings bring out so much more than just two people getting married.” – Christa Innis
- “It’s almost set up like a competition between the partner and the family.” – Christa Innis
- “So many people focus on the wedding and forget about the marriage.” – Christa Innis
- “The internet is SO quick to tell people to cut everyone off.” – Christa Innis
- “I think people just want to feel like they’re not alone in these situations.” – Christa Innis
- “It’s about being confident in who you are and letting the pieces fall where they may.” – Christa Innis
- ”Relationship awareness really is about who am I and who am I communicating with.” – Dr. Tracy Dalgleish
- “It’s not conflict that tears relationships apart. It’s never learning how to repair.” – Dr. Tracy Dalgleish
- “Boundaries are not about controlling other people. They’re about deciding what YOU will do.” – Dr. Tracy Dalgleish
- “You and your partner need to be on the same team.” – Dr. Tracy Dalgleish
- “Difference does not mean someone did it wrong.” – Dr. Tracy Dalgleish
- “Love is hard. Healthy relationships take work.” – Dr. Tracy Dalgleish
- “You don’t get to control what family does, only how you respond together.” – Dr. Tracy Dalgleish
- “How much are you willing to shrink yourself to become the version of you someone else wants?” – Dr. Tracy Dalgleish
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Dr. Tracy Dalgleish is a psychologist, couples therapist, author, speaker, and podcast host helping people feel less lonely in their relationships and build stronger connection. With over 18 years of clinical experience, she’s known for her honest, relatable, and evidence-based approach to marriage, communication, boundaries, and family dynamics.
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Christa Innis: Hey, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Here Comes the Drama. I’m your host, Christa Innis, and today I’m sitting down with Dr. Tracy. She’s a clinical psychologist, couples therapist, and relationship expert who helps people build healthier and stronger relationships. She’s the creator of Be Connected Digital, where she teaches relationship skills to people around the world, and her work has been featured in outlets like the New York Times, Forbes, and Time.
Dr. Tracy’s also the author of You, Your Husband, and His Mother and I Didn’t Sign Up for This, host of the top 100 parenting podcast Dear Dr. Tracy, and owner of the mental health clinic Integrated Wellness. I’m so excited to dive into this with her because we talk about relationships, boundaries, family dynamics, and some of the biggest challenges that couples see today, especially a lot of the ones that are featured in our stories.
So we not only dive into her work and how she helps couples, but you can also take things away from her work no matter what stage of life you’re in. and then of course, I have her help and react to two stories today. and she does a great job really breaking it down and offering really helpful advice.
So without further ado, please enjoy this episode with Dr. Tracy.
Christa Innis: Hi, Dr. Tracy. Thanks for being here
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Thank you for having me, Christa. I’m so excited for our conversation today.
Christa Innis: Yes, I can’t wait. As I was saying before I started recording, I’ve been following you for a long time, and I love the way you portray different scenarios as, like, helpful tips for your followers or just anyone that sees your content.
So before I get too into that, can you just tell everyone a little bit about you and what you do, like your expertise?
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Absolutely. I’m a psychologist and couples therapist. I’ve been seeing people and researching couples for 20 years, which is wild to share. But I started writing my books, writing blogs, podcasts, and creating online education for people in 2018.
And it was actually after I had my second child that I started to feel really dissatisfied with how people were talking about relationships. Sometimes tips were put out there that were just lacking in evidence and science. And so one of my values being I wanna reach more people outside of my therapy room, I started my Instagram space, I started the podcast, and then I’ve now released two books.
One’s called I Didn’t Sign Up For This, which is four couples in my therapy room all working to build healthy, interdependent relationships. And then the release of my most recent book is called You, Your Husband, and His Mother. And it’s been an incredible journey, Christa, to see how I can reach people who would’ve never been in my therapy room, and then they can say to their partner, ” Dr.
Tracy said I should try it like this,” or, “I saw this thing about it from Dr. Tracy. Here, take a look.” And it’s just incredible to know that I have this reach across the globe to help people improve their relationships.
Christa Innis: I love that. Like, In that way, I feel like social media is so powerful because it’s giving access to therapy, to things that people maybe w- didn’t have access to before.
And I think it also gets rid of the stigma of like, ” Hey, we need help, like, someone outside- Yes … of ourselves.” So I think that’s very powerful.
Why We Don’t Talk Honestly About Marriage
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: I love that you have said that because I find more and more people are being more open to talking about mental health, to talking about struggles in parenthood.
And yet the area… A- and tell me if you have a different feeling of this, but I find people still struggle with the heart-to-heart conversations around their romantic relationships, where if they’re dating it’s okay to talk about it, but then as soon as people are married they don’t open up and say, “We’ve hit a really hard season,” or, ” We feel like roommates,” or, “It feels like we are two ships passing in the night.”
Those are the times where people don’t open up and talk about their relationships because there’s a lot of shame attached to that. This feeling like maybe there’s something wrong with me or, or worse, my partner and our relationship, and so we don’t talk about that.
Christa Innis: Mm, totally. And I think it kind of goes back, and this might be, like, a big circle, but I feel like- That idea of like growing up with like Disney and fairy tales.
So you find your one soulmate out there, you get married and it’s happily ever after. And so there’s, I feel like this idea of like once you get married, everything’s butterflies and rainbows. It’s perfect. And if you have those moments of like weakness in your relationship or the roommate, like, just like you were saying, then that’s a bad sign.
Maybe you didn’t pick the right one. And I think people start then having these doubts of like, “Well, I don’t wanna feel that way, so I’m just g- not gonna admit it,” right?
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Mm. our pop culture teaches us that relationships should be easy, and desire is always high between two partners, and we’re always excited and happy.
And even more so when you are scrolling social media and seeing happy couples reflected back to you, it is that question of what’s happening for us. And- Mm … part of my education in reaching for people is for them to understand that it is not conflict that is what tears a relationship apart. It’s when you never learn to come back together, and when you stay far apart or you don’t repair.
Because the reality is, in relationships it’s not if someone is going to hurt you, it’s when. Yeah. And when that happens, and of course it matters because the moment your partner means something to you, that is the moment they have the power to hurt you. And that’s when you want to then learn the skills and tools that many of us didn’t have modeled, where you can come and say, “I made that mistake,” or, “I believe what you’re experiencing,” and, or, “Tell me more. And I don’t wanna be defensive, I want us to move through this together.” being able to teach people, the relational skills that I teach the clients in my therapy room has just been such a gift.
The Real Reason Weddings Bring Out Family Drama
Christa Innis: That’s amazing. I love that. And, like, we’re seeing too, it’s like I feel like there’s such a direct tie.
you know, when I first started sharing, wedding stories and drama stories, like, that people sent to me, you know, yeah, mainly it’s entertainment, of course, but I feel like it’s so much deeper than just two people getting married. You’re combining families, you’re combining traditions, backgrounds, cultures, whatever that is, and it brings on all these new levels of stress, right?
And so I feel like a lot of the stories that I get have to do with… It kind of ties into your newest book you’re talking about. Um, is it, You, Your Husband, and His Mother,
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: right? His Mother.
Christa Innis: Yes. And so I feel like a lot of the stories, and again, I don’t wanna group, ’cause I know sometimes mother-in-laws are like, “I’m great, and I have a great mother-in-law.”
But I feel like a lot of the stories come from that, because it’s this interesting dynamic of letting go and letting your children have this new family. and I find that’s an interesting tie between, like, our kind of two worlds right now, is like, people send these stories in because they want to feel like they’re not alone.
Like, and how do I handle a difficult situation with this new, stage, but also bringing in more family? I know that’s kind of like a loaded point, but yeah.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: you’re touching on something so important, and what I have seen is throughout working with hundreds of couples, or even single individual women coming to therapy because their partner doesn’t want to come, what I continue to see is this narrative of, ” There must be something wrong with me.
I must be doing something that’s wrong, or maybe I’m the problem.” And so daughters-in-law are often walking around wondering what’s wrong with them and why they are being labeled as the problem. And many people struggle to name this because of what’s attached to it. And if you say, “I’m struggling with my mother-in-law,” does that mean, “Oh, I don’t like my husband’s mother”?
No, of course not. It means that here are two different families coming together. So husband and wife, hetero relationship as an example, they’re coming together and building a new family. Mm-hmm. And when they do that, they bring all of their values and things that are important to them to create this new family.
But oftentimes in doing that, we don’t then talk about expectations and roles of our first families. And because we don’t name those out loud, guess what? There is just a boom. There’s a clashing because your mother-in-law has expectations. She probably has dreamed of the day of giving away her son as well.
Mm-hmm. And then you and your family have their expectations, and they’ve dreamed of that, right? And, yet who is it really about? It’s about the two people coming together. Mm-hmm. And then you mix in really what’s happening generationally right now. we have hit the information boom, social media, the rise of information that is available around what it means to build healthy relationships with ourselves, with our partners, and extended families.
Mm-hmm. And part of that is about saying I don’t like the way that my parents did X, Y, Z. Of course, I still love them. Mm. And yet, I don’t want to do it that way. And if we’re not able, willing, or even have the capacity to have those conversations, then we’re going to be bumping heads a lot, and that is where the early struggles start.
And I often see them, for a couple, I often see it around the time when they’re getting married, … after the engagement, and then everybody’s expectations and wishes start to come into play. I mean, I know you see that in all the stories that you go through.
Christa Innis: Yes. I feel like it’s such, like, a power dynamic at that point because it’s the couple coming together wants to show like, “We have boundaries.
We have our own expectations,” like you’re talking about. But then, yeah, it’s like then the two families coming together and be like, “Well, this is important to us and this,” but no one can really communicate them the right way. It’s very like, um, I should say a lot of the stories I read are very like showing signs of control, and it’s without, you know, like taking a step back and being like, “Well, this is important to me.”
It’s like, “Well, why’d she do this? She did this to hurt me.” You know? It’s, it’s very, like the secondary emotion kinda thing. Like, turning immediately to like anger instead of just being like, “Hey, this is, you know, happening to me,” taking it, like, personally.
Mother-In-Law Meltdowns & Marriage Myths
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: There’s a really big role change that happens for a mother when her son is getting married.
There’s a big role change, and that’s often not talked about. A- and people listening might be wondering, “Well, why are you only talking about her mother-in-law? Is this not true for husband and his mother-in-law?” And yes, absolutely. So conflict can exist in all different makeups in families.
It can also… I commonly see it also with sisters-in-law. And research and my clinical experience shows that there’s a higher rate of conflict between the mother-in-law and daughter-in-law specifically. And the reason for this is because of role changes for mom. So the mother-in-law then questions, “What role do I have here?
My son used to call me, and we would talk every day, and now I don’t hear from him. What’s my role?” Or when she goes into their new family home, what role does she play in there? And role changes is one piece, but then there’s something different about the generation today. Women are saying, ” We are showing up in the workplace differently.
We are raising our children in a different way. We’re dividing the mental load and talking about cognitive labor with our partners. We’re playing different roles.” And when we do things differently, Christa, that can sometimes stir up insecurities in others. Mm-hmm. And so then if a mother-in-law isn’t able to hold that difference is not bad, I see many women ending up taking it personally.
” Oh, so if you do it this way, then does it mean that I did it wrong?” And that’s not what it is, but it’s often not something that’s discussed. And again, it creates that tension. And then there’s this other element, too, where I believe that in my experience clinically, It’s almost in a way…
I think of this one example where a mother-in-law shows up uninvited at the front step, and she says, “Well, what’s the big deal? I’m just down the street. I was thinking about you. I have this fresh bread and all the things. Here, I’m delivering it.” And that might not work for what you need in your family that you’re building.
And many mothers-in-law then do to their daughters-in-law what was done to them- Mm-hmm … because there’s this kind of belief of that’s just what you do in families. And today that’s not what women are saying.
Christa Innis: Wow, that’s interesting. so, like, in these stories, a lot of times, you know, like you said, it’s just tends to be more common between the mother-in-law and daughter-in-law.
How d- can someone validate their partner? Like, so let’s say in a hetero relationship, man and woman, how can then the man, validate his partner’s feelings? ‘Cause I feel like a lot of times we get these stories sent, and if I’m talking about that dynamic between daughter-in-law and mother-in-law, it seems like the fiance is nowhere to be seen.
Like, he’s not mentioned in the story, maybe here and there. So how can he really show, that he’s validating his partner? Does he have to be a tie between the family? Like, what kind of advice would you give for someone in that difficult situation?
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Hmm.
That’s the element here where I think a lot of men specifically, when they hear that their mom has upset their wife in some way, they’re almost in this conflict. Do I turn to my wife, which means I’m saying my mom is bad, or do I turn to my mom and then I’m not validating my wife?
And unfortunately, many men end up turning to their partners, invalidating them, and saying… I mean, some of the most common things I hear are, ” It’s not that big of a deal. She meant well. That’s just Mom. She doesn’t mean anything by it. You’ll get used to her. She really does care about you.” And so those expressions are often because he lives inside the family system that he comes from.
Mm-hmm.And so when he sees his partner upset with his mom, he immediately goes to, “I have to protect my family.” And by doing that, it completely breaks the connection with your partner instead of then being able to hold both truths. And both truths… To be able to hold two things actually requires a lot of tension inside of you and discomfort because you’re saying, “I can validate your experience and say I see you.
I can only imagine how painful that was. I’m sorry that wasn’t okay.” When I say that, I also have to be able to hold inside of me that my mom is still a good person and I still love my mom, and I want my mom to still be in the family. And I think a lot of men actually end up fearing that if my wife is upset with my mom, that means she doesn’t wanna have a relationship with my mom.
And so what’s the quickest way I can fix this? And unfortunately, a lot of people go to problem-solving and fixing or minimizing and dismissing by saying, “It’s just Mom. It’s not that bad. She didn’t mean anything by it.” Instead, what’s much more supportive is just being a witness to what your partner’s experiencing and saying, ” Tell me more about that.
I didn’t experience that way. I didn’t experience what mom said in that way, and it looks like that was painful for you, so can you tell me more?” And then being able to decide what do we do after that. And that’s really where the book came from, you, your husband, and his mother, because couples continue to come to me with this as the number one pain point, and having no system to be able to get on the same team and to actually set boundaries.
So the whole book walks couples through doing that. It’s actually something that I wish every engaged couple would get so that they… Even if you have a good relationship with your in-laws, get this book so that you can go through this system and really build a solid relationship with your partner so that you can remain in contact with family.
‘Cause the number one thing we know is you don’t get to control what family’s going to do. you can remember that family is consistent and predictable. And it’s you and your partner that need to be on the same team.
Boundaries Aren’t About Controlling People
Christa Innis: Yes. Okay. I love that you said that. It’s so interesting because we see these stories time and time again where it’s almost set up to be like this competition.
So I love that you said, like, appropriate things to actually validate versus, you’re not picking sides. It’s understanding, and it doesn’t mean you’re, like, pushing the other one to the wayside, but there’s an appropriate way to do it because I think so many times it’s like am I Team A or Team B? Oh, gosh, I know.
And that means I have to go no contact or I have to do this. and this might be a loaded question, but when do you think is an appropriate time for low or no contact with a family that may be constantly crossing boundaries, doesn’t support the couple, or seems to be a pain point consistently for this couple?
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: That one really depends, and I walk really carefully in that. As a psychologist and couples therapist, it’s never my position to suggest that- Mm-hmm … a couple should go that road. And I think something that I want to highlight for people who are listening and watching is there is so much space between what it looks like to do what you’ve already been doing and no contact.
There’s so much in there. and really our brains love to do the black or white or all or nothing thinking. And I remember one time coming across one person asking, ” I don’t know what to do. My in-laws keep showing up. We’ve told them not to. Do we tell them again not to show up unannounced, or do we cut them out?”
And Christa, they went from one extreme to the other, when instead what I really encourage couples to do, and that’s step four in the book, is around how can actually set boundaries together as a couple, is that look at what you’re doing in response to the behavior. Because oftentimes we’re making requests of other people.
” Please don’t talk about politics. Please don’t ask us about our wedding choices. Please don’t…” That’s all about the other person. And instead, what true boundaries looks like is you being able to say, “When you do X, then I am going to do Y.” Because that is all what you will or will not do. So if politics are brought up at the holiday table, you and your partner announce, “Okay,
We’re done dinner. Nice to see everyone. We’ll see you next time,” and you both leave. Or when they’re talking about your wedding choices or your parenting choices, you say, “That’s not something we want to talk about today,” and then change the topic. Don’t go in and then justify or get mad that they brought it up again.
You respond to them in that way. And then sometimes, too, it starts to then shift to it no longer feels good to be in your home because of how conversations unfold. Now we’re gonna meet at a coffee shop, or now we’re going to meet at a restaurant and have a meal there. Or if you have kids, now we meet at the park and you can see the kids at the park.
So there’s, there’s all these in between places that people can land, but it really has to come from a place of what’s important to you- Mm … and what do you value? And that’s step one in the book.
Christa Innis: I love that. I think that’s so great because, like you said, the internet is so black and white. And when I post stories, so many times, even with, like, friendship stories or whatever, like bridesmaids, something, people are so quick to be like, “Just cut them out.
Don’t talk to them ever again.” Oh, yeah. And I hate… I’m, I’m someone, though, that I, like, I hold onto things for a really long time, and I just, I’m not someone that does that. But they’re so quick to be like, “Well, why are you still talking to them? Cut them out.” It bothers me how long… And I think that we’re so quick as a society to be like, “Oh, they did one thing. Let’s just be done with them.” so I think that’s a great point, is there’s so many other ways to respond and to get on the same page with your partner and be like, “Okay, if this is brought up, or if they do this, or they say this, here’s how we respond,” and just- Mm-hmm … sticking to it. I think that’s a great point.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: My goal with every couple I work with is to help them soothe each other’s nervous systems so they can be connected and aligned. And I almost like to use this analogy of, like, I imagine that I don’t do this with couples in my therapy room, but I kind of think about as if I could sit at the dinner table with them at their family table.
And then I could be the one that says, ” Have you seen how much, these two people have been doing together and how great they are?” Is- Right? Like, it’s just this idea that you don’t get to control if your mother-in-law is going to play the martyr or play the victim, and I go through six types in the book, six types of mothers-in-law that I’ve seen across all of my work, and that might just be how they’re going to show up.
You don’t get to control that. But then if you and your partner are solid and together, you’re gonna know how you respond to that, and sometimes the response is not doing anything, changing the topic, ending the engagement, and then when you’re back together in the car and you look over at each other and you say, “We did that so well together,” that’s the goal.
Christa Innis: A check-in of, like, we’re good. Yeah.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: I love that. Because people are… I always say, like, people are gonna people. People will do- Yeah … what naturally comes to them, and Because it’s always one of those things too where, like, if they already have a rocky relationship, every little thing’s gonna start bugging you, right?
You’re gonna see that person. They’re gonna… The way they walk in your door, the way they step, the way they say something is gonna irritate you, right? And so I feel just checking in with your partner and just being like, There are certain things I feel like that are, you’re just gonna have to, have to maybe accept.
I don’t know. But,
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Relationships are hard and nuanced, and I, I agree with you. I see a lot of it online as well where a lot of people say, “This is a red flag. You need to leave this person. You need to end this friendship or cut them off,” and our life is not meant to be so all or nothing, and sometimes we do stay in contact with people because it means something to us, and only we get to decide that.
Other times you might decide to put some space in there because you’ve had so much conflict and there’s so much hurt that you need that time- Yeah … to work through some of this on your own, and only you and your partner can make that decision together. And if you are fighting each other against what’s best for each other, that’s when you need to reach out for help.
Red Flags, Relationship Myths & Internet Advice
Christa Innis: Yes. I love that. Okay. Let’s get into, the red light, green light section. So I’m gonna read a couple of things you just say, like, if it’s a red light or green light, in your opinion. and then of course, like, a lot of these are very nuanced like you said before. It’s just like- Of
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: course
Christa Innis: there’s so much more to it. But- Let’s
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: have fun …
Christa Innis: in general. Okay. Your mother-in-law has a key to your house
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Red light. No, no one should have a I’m gonna have a hard time only answering just, no one should have the key to your house. Only the person who’s your emergency contact that absolutely needs to get into it.
That, that trusted friend down the street in case you lock yourself out. No to your mother-in-law. Go ahead.
Christa Innis: Um, holidays are always spent with one side of the family
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: That would be red light. I mean, that really depends. that’s a tough one to balance.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Um, your partner says, “That’s just my mom.”
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Mm, red light. Red light means stop. We’re saying, like, no- Yes … right? Like- Yeah … okay, good.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah, you got it.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: that is probably the worst statement that you could say to your partner.
It is so dismissive, and you don’t need to say, “That’s just my mom.” Instead, you can say something like, um, ” I can see that really bothered you. What could we do next time together?”
Christa Innis: Love that. Texting instead of talking through serious issues
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Depends. Depends on your attachment style, depends on your ways that you approach conflict.
If you absolutely cannot have a conversation with this person, I’m thinking of someone who engages in, DARVO, who’s more of someone who flips the script, who then takes everything you say, makes them the victim, and then blames it back on you. Mm. That’s not a person you are going to be having this conversation with.
So if you need to set some boundaries, know that you should not be sending them this big, long text with a lot to interpret in it. That’s just not gonna go anywhere. Mm. But if you’re setting a boundary saying, “Unfortunately, this holiday we will not be joining you. I know this is really hard. We look forward to the next time we’re together,” that’s okay by text if this person usually flips things back on you.
Christa Innis: Ooh, that’s a great
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: point. Otherwise, yeah, otherwise, you know, we often know that things are better when you can hear voices, you can hear tone, you can add more into it.
Christa Innis: That is such a great point. ‘Cause yes, there are plenty of stories where it’s like, “Oh, well, I didn’t say that. I didn’t do that,” or, “You never told me a boundary.”
And so I feel like- Yeah … that’s a really good point of like knowing your audience of like do you need actual like firm something to say where it’s you have an actual screenshot of like, “This is what I said.” Um, that’s great. Um, checking your partner’s location without telling them
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: That depends on the structure in your relationship. my husband and I have our location shared all the time, and sometimes I’m like, “Is he at home right now? I wanna ask if he can put the thing in the fridge that I left on the counter.” Right. So I’ll check his location. Yeah. So I think the answer to that is what’s the motivation behind, what function is- Right
checking your partner’s location serving you?
Christa Innis: Yes. Yes. Um, thinking love should always be easy
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Hmm. That’s a red one.
Christa Innis: Yeah. That, that goes back
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: to- Lo- love- …
Christa Innis: excuse me … love.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Yeah, love is hard. I also say love is conditional. Mm-hmm. There are conditions that you have in your relationship, which is about being respected, around care and trust and honesty and vulnerability, a willingness to try something and to try it again even though it doesn’t go right the first time.
That is conditional, and it also takes a lot of work.
Christa Innis: Yes, definitely goes back to what you were saying about that black or white kind of world where we just wanna so quickly be like, “Oh, it’s, it’s hard. That means it’s not right. let’s walk.” Or, and it’s like no one’s perfect. You have to walk through kinda those murky waters together.
at least that’s how I kinda see it, you know, when I read these stories in my own life. okay. Uh, last one. Looking through your partner’s phone if you have a feeling.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Hmm. Oh, that’s a red one. And that one then also makes me wonder, is there a history in there? What’s the context?
What’s the feeling about? Has something happened before where trust has been broken? That one is sticky. I will say, though, that your phones, why do they need to be secret from each other? Is there anything on your phone that you are afraid that your partner will see? And then that actually is a deeper conversation that you need to be having.
Mm-hmm. So you know, there’s a difference between something that’s private and also something that’s more secret.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say, I feel like it’s more of a red flag to me, like, I’m not allowed to ever touch his phone or she can’t pick up my phone ’cause, like, I’ve seen that before too where it’s like, oh, we’re forbidden from, like-
each other’s things, and it’s like… I feel like if you live in the same house, it’s just… I don’t know. It’s personal, but it’s, like, not at the same time if it’s a trusting relationship. okay. So like I mentioned before we started recording, we’re gonna do instead of one long story, we’re gonna do two shorter ones.
and typically I read it, and we kind of will pause, or if you have something you wanna add as I read too, we can stop anytime and here we go. Can you hear me okay?
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Good.
The Controlling Mother-in-Law
Christa Innis: Cool. Here we go. So my now fiancé and I have known each other for years. We dated briefly in the past, but I was a young single mom at the time and wasn’t ready for that kind of commitment.
When we reconnected later on, we kept our relationship private for about a year because my family was dealing with my divorce. During that time, his mom would make comments about us getting married even though she didn’t know how long we had actually been together. She would bring up things like adding items to our wedding registry for our future home and make snide remarks constantly, and honestly, she still does.
When I finally felt comfortable introducing my children, she started making comments about them as well. My middle daughter is more antisocial, and we recently found out she’s on the spectrum, high-functioning, but explains a lot of her personality traits. Whenever we talk about food, my mother-in-law would compare my daughter’s eating habits to her other granddaughter, saying things like, “Well, she eats everything.
She explores new foods and tries everything,” basically making my daughter seem picky in comparison When we announced, first announced our engagement, my best friend wanted to throw us an engagement party. My immediate family isn’t really involved in my life for reasons beyond my control, so I knew they wouldn’t be there, but I still wanted his family to be.
We gave them plenty of notice since they live out of state, and they knew how important it was. As the date got closer though, they received a last-minute invitation to go to Hawaii, and of course the dates overlapped. Instead of choosing, they called us to coordinate when they could attend the party because they were planning to fly out immediately after so they wouldn’t miss their vacation.
At that point, I was already upset knowing my own family wouldn’t be there. Out of frustration, I told my fiance not to worry about it, but he didn’t pick up my tone and thought I was being serious. So he told his mom just not to come. That same night, I ended up canceling the engagement party because I felt like it was important for both families to be there.
Hmm. Now I’ve realized that it’s not about what everyone else needs, it’s about what my fiance and I want. It’s our wedding and our celebration. My friend is now planning a new engagement party for us on a different date. His mom has already booked flights, but she made a point to say that if we cancel again, we need to let them know immediately.
We are not canceling this time, but honestly I was taken aback that she would even assume I would. Another thing that really gets me is she constantly corrects me. Every time I refer to my maid of honor, who is my best friend and basically my sister, she jumps in to correct me and says matron of honor because she’s married.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: It’s going to be a long 18 months. Okay. So that’s, the whole story. So what do you think about this, dynamic here? We don’t get to hear much about her partner and what the relationship is like between her fiancé, soon-to-be husband, and his mom. Mm-hmm. So when it comes to this dynamic, I always want people to think about the triangle.
You end up being in a triangle, and there are multiple relationships at play. You have the mother-son relationship. You have the future mother-in-law, future daughter-in-law relationship. You have the relationship between the couple, and then you have the relationship between the couple with the mother-in-law.
Yeah. And that’s complex. That’s a lot in there. Of course, when I shared the six types of mothers-in-law in my book, these are not a diagnoses. Instead, they’re a way of understanding a pattern of behavior because when we can understand a pattern, and I’m using my hands to kind of u- like, like a box almost, then we know who we’re interacting with.
Christa Innis: Mm.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: And relationship awareness really is about who am I and who am I communicating with? So when I was hearing some of these behaviors, I was speculating, hmm, might this be a controller mother-in-law? And the controller always knows best. Mm-hmm. She will be the one who says, “This is how the family holiday is, and no, you can’t bring a different dish from your tradition.
We always do it this way. We always celebrate it on this day, and this is just how we do it.” So you start to see kind of the ways in which this is showing up for this person around, the correction of the matron of honor, around the, um, wanting to put items on the registry already. So it’s interesting because then I think of some of the toxic family dynamics that I outline in the second chapter because, of course, there’s a system that was in play already before you joined this family.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: And I think we need to remember that. Daughters-in-law have to remember that you are joining a family that everybody already had moves and positions. Yeah. And so it sounds like, in some ways, that family, there is maybe a sense of rigidity, of we do things this way. We wanna go on a trip, so we’re only thinking about us, and this is what we’ll do, and we’re gonna immediately leave after.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: And I share that because I think a lot of times we within ourselves, so now we look at ourselves as the future daughter-in-law or the daughter-in-law, and we have to then ask, “What did I hope for in this relationship, and how am I showing up in this? What do I want and need, and what is or is not possible?”
Because if you continue to go to a mother-in-law who is constantly rejecting and minimizing, but you hope that she will be soft and nurturing and the mother that maybe you always wanted, and you keep getting met with that, that’s just gonna leave you feeling exhausted, resentful, hurt, sad. And so what’s important then is be honest with yourself about who the other person is.
Not to judge them, not to blame them or to say, “I will never interact with you,” but in a way so like this person’s shared, do things for you. This is your marriage. This is your family. How do you want it to look for you, your partner, and your children all together? And then start looking at those boundaries.
So those food comments, you’re either going to dismiss them in the moment and say, “We don’t talk about food like that,” or later you go to your child and ask, “How did it feel when she said that? What did you think about that? Well, here’s what I want you to know. You don’t have to compare y- the way you eat food to somebody else.
We’re all different.” And so the repairing comes between you and your child, and not the attempt to control the mother-in-law.
Christa Innis: I love that.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Those were the big, big things that stood out for me.
Christa Innis: Yeah. No, I love that, ’cause that’s then teaching them that, like especially the daughter, there’s gonna be other people that come in and maybe make comments about it, but it’s gonna be like-
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: 100%
Christa Innis: no sweat off my back. You know, just let it roll off. I love that.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: This is one of the tricky things, too, because we have so much more awareness today as parents, and we are parenting so differently, is that then we create almost these safeguards around us. Don’t ask my child about food. Don’t comment on their clothes.
Don’t do this. And we’re almost asking a completely different generation to do things the way we do them. And in some cases, you absolutely do need to, in terms of safety. If, for example, grandma is not cutting up the grapes and passing a full grape to a two, three-year-old, four-year-old. I will cut my kids’ grapes until they go to college, by the way.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah, same.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: So, you know, in that case, you have to jump in and say, “Oh, we can’t give a full grape. I’m cutting it in half. Next time you have to cut it in half or you’re not doing mealtimes with us.” Right? Like, that’s a safety issue. Otherwise, there are other things where you can step in, use your voice for your child, knowing that you’re not gonna change this other generation.
You can give feedback depending on who that person is, but they might just flip it around and make you out to be the bad one again.
Christa Innis: Yes. No, that’s, great advice because I think, too, it complicates it when, um… ‘Cause I’ve heard similar situations where she comes in and, like, it shows like, oh, she’s a mother herself.
Or she has children, so she kind of com- so the mother-in-law comes in being like, “Well, I have to show her that I know better,” because y- kind of like what you said, because, you know, I’ve been a mother longer. I’m his mother. You know? The
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: insecurity shows up. Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Yes. Like, oh, she does it that way. She doesn’t make her daughter eat these foods that I maybe made, you know?
that different generational thing, of course. So- Mm-hmm … that, that’s great advice. Okay, let’s get to this last story here. Um, we just started wedding planning and working on the guest list. We wanted to make sure we weren’t missing anything, so we went over to his parents’ house to go through it together.
For context, they’re contributing basically nothing financially, while my dad is giving us $12,000. So we start reviewing the list, and his mom, let’s call her Georgia, immediately starts crying and complaining. We’re really close with his dad’s side of the family. We visit each other, spend holidays together, and actually have a really great relationship with them.
Meanwhile, we’ve been together for five years, and I’ve never even met Georgia’s nieces or nephews. My fiance, let’s call him August, hasn’t spoken to them in at least five years, but Georgia insists you have to invite their kids. I said, “I haven’t even met them. They don’t come around, and August hasn’t talked to them in years.
They’re not invited.” She starts crying harder and says, “Well, whatever you do for his dad’s side, you have to do for mine or people will be upset.” And I told her, “No matter what we do, someone is going to be upset. I’m not inviting people who aren’t actually part of our lives. It’s not our fault we’re close with some members and not others.
Your side doesn’t show up for even family Christmas.” At that point, she completely loses it, full-on sobbing, and starts texting August’s older brother and his wife to complain about us and our decisions while I’m sitting- Oh … right there. And then she just ends with, “Ugh, absolutely not. I didn’t know what else to do.”
So that kind of ends on a cliffhanger ’cause I think she’s, like, looking for some, advice, and this is a very common scenario, unfortunately, that I see, the seating chart. I just read a story yesterday about a similar situation where the mother-in-law saw the seating chart and threw a fit, said, “If I don’t get moved, I’m not coming to the wedding.”
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Wedding Ultimatums & Holding Your Boundary
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Isn’t that awful? Yeah … this is not what a wedding is about. A wedding is about two people joining and coming together, and when they are sitting at the table looking at the room and all of those people are there to support them, it’s about the couple and launching them into this next season in their life.
Mm. And yet, again, we’re tapping into the expectations, these long-standing expectations that parents have of their adult child, and then their desires and wishes and their needs within the family system that they live in. Mm. In the sense that, and you hear what Georgia says, “Well, what will people think if we don’t invite so-and-so?”
I have heard that so many times. Yeah. And, it is a generational difference of we don’t care what people think. we are not going to have a 500-person wedding because we can’t afford that, and we don’t wanna be in debt forever, and, and, and, we don’t even see cousin Sarah who’s twice removed and never shows up.
So I think … Okay, I’m gonna come back to the mother-in-law types because this sounds like the martyr. And the martyr mother-in-law gives and gives and gives, and then wonders why she’s not appreciated, and there’s lots of tears, and then there’s also kind of roping in other people, … And maybe there’s a bit of the victim flavor, too.
They’re both considered internalizers. I’m using quotation marks. and again, these are not diagnoses. These are patterns of behavior that I’ve seen throughout my clinical work. And it’s really difficult because the sobbing and the escalation from Georgia is the guilt that she’s trying to put on her son.
And again, we don’t hear anything of what August has said or done. Right. But August would have to be able to stand on his two feet and say, “Mom, you’re allowed to be upset, and this is our wedding, and we’re going to do it our way.” Here’s something that I really want people listening to understand.
It has to come from the adult child to that parent. It has to come from your fiance, your husband-to-be, to his mom, because that’s the weight. When it comes from … And not everyone will agree with that, and not everyone needs to do it that way. If you have a mother-in-law who respects you, who cares for you, who wants to know you and spend time with you, never meddles in the middle of your marriage, those are the relationships where you might be able to say to her, “Hey, that doesn’t feel good.
We’re going to do it this way. Christmas this way. This year is going to look like this.” Just as an example. Yeah. But oftentimes it’s men who need to go to their mothers and say, “Mom, that’s not how we’re going to do it.” So I wanna reflect something else here, because what she does is they’re trying to explain the boundary.
Do you catch that?
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. “
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Well, we never see the cousin. I’ve never met the cousin. Well, then we’re gonna have this big wedding.” And that right there is where you completely lose … it’s you, um, it’s almost like you bo- y- What, what is it? It’s like, um, there’s a children’s book, If You Give a Mouse a Cookie, they’ll ask for a glass of milk.
Yes, the game’s gone. And then you give them … Right? And so you give one piece, and then it’s another, and then you give another, and they up the ante, and you give another, and it’s another one. It’s like you’re snowballing down the hill instead of saying, “Oh, Georgia, this is really hard for you, and this is what we’re deciding that is best for our family.”
And that right there is so uncomfortable to do. So if you are in that situation where you’re having to express something like that, practice what it sounds like between you and your partner or with yourself in front of the mirror, being able to first reflect the feeling or even reflect the positive part.
“Oh, Georgia, you love the idea of having all your family together. That’s really special.” And then you set the boundary, which is, “We’re going to be deciding who is coming, and I know that’s hard. It’s not open for debate.” I wanna also touch on one piece there, because I know sometimes the issue of who’s giving money comes up.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: I talk about this as an example in the book. W- if someone is giving you money as a gift, that doesn’t mean they get to tell you who they’re inviting to the wedding. And before accepting money, you as a couple need to decide, are you giving this to us as a gift, or are you giving it to us because you want to have a say in how things are going?
Christa Innis: And then you get to decide what happens next from there.
I love that you said that, ’cause yes, that is so common. Uh, people are like, you know, they’re paying for the food or something, so then they changed up the food, and they do this. And I’m like, before accepting anything, make sure it actually is a gift and they’re not dangling a string over you to be like, “This is what we want.”
’cause you see that a lot of times, you know? If they… Or they already have- Yes … a rocky dynamic between them, and then they’re offering to pay, and I’m like, do they have your best interest? You know, if you’re already kinda rocky, maybe don’t accept. ’cause yeah, I think, too, that generational thing of like, if we’re giving money, we’re paying for this wedding, it’s our party.
We can control the guest list. We can control the food. And and I think, like you said, it’s, kinda changing where we’re like, we don’t care that Susan that you grew up with that I haven’t seen in 20 years is gonna be at the wedding. It doesn’t matter to me, whereas they- Mm … used to invite, you know, everybody they knew.
So, that’s such a great point. So then what would you do in the next step? So as, like I was saying, I read a similar story where then the mother-in-law was kind of like, they were firm with their boundaries, but they did do kinda like the little pieces, too, of like, “Well, we can move it this way, but I can’t move it that way.”
And the mother-in-law was like, “No, it has to be this exact way I want it, or else I’m not coming.” So to that extreme, do you just again set it and be like, “Well, if she doesn’t come, then she misses out. That’s on her”? How do you kinda do that?
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Ugh. At what point do you stand up to her threats? Because it won’t stop at the wedding.
Christa Innis: Right.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: It’ll continue further, and so then I think of where are these points of conflict and tension that erupt in families for couples? The engagement, the wedding, having a child, moving into a home. These are all those moments. And so if it’s not the wedding that you hold your boundary, what then? The baby?
The second baby? When? And so you reflecting back then, “That would be incredibly unfortunate, Mom. We love you. We want you there, and we understand that that’s not exactly how you wanted it to go. We still hope to see you on that day.” And again, the question you have to ask yourself is, when I can’t control other people, how much am I willing to shrink myself to be the version of me that they want me to be?
and the thing is, especially as a daughter-in-law, every story looks for a villain, and unfortunately, the daughter-in-law tends to be the villain. And part of this work is being able to be so okay with yourself that you no longer have to try to get family to approve you, to like you, when they do not want to truly know who you are That’s uncomfortable
Christa Innis: Yeah. I feel like so many of my listeners can benefit from hearing that because a lot of these stories are just, you know, the isolation of like, ” I want them to like me,” but, you know, It kind of goes back to what you said about if you give a mouse a cookie or if you give them an inch, they take a mile.
It’s about being really confident in who you are, confident in your relationship, and kind of letting the pieces fall where they may for some of it, I guess. But yeah. True.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: It’s so painful though to think that his mother, his own mother would not show up because she’s so upset about that. But to recognize that moment for what it is, she’s having a tantrum.
She has no other strategies or skills. Nobody taught this woman what to do in that moment, so she’s still in this childlike state. She doesn’t know how to regulate or to express a desire and to hold the discomfort- Mm … and so she threatens, she controls, she withdraws love. And it’s not our job to have to then bring our parents along and do all of the re-parenting work for them.
We have to do it for ourselves. And so then again, holding in that moment of saying, ” I hope you’ll rethink that, and really hope that we’ll see you there.”
Christa Innis: Like,
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: that could be the moment where they have to change. Maybe not in that moment. Maybe she gets upset. Maybe she throws something. You know, you end the interaction, and then hopefully she makes a wise choice.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I love that. It’s like not feeding the fire, just kind of-
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Yep …
Christa Innis: setting your boundary. And then they can live with the regret, or they can come and, carry on with that. Awesome. Well, that was amazing. Those were such great points. Like I said, we get so many stories related to that, similar to that, and I feel like there’s so many people that write in that are just like stuck, and they’re like, “What do we do to move forward?”
Um, so where can people find your book? tell us all the details about it, and then anything, like, fun you’re working on. where can people find your content as well?
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Absolutely. I love when people come into my DMs over on Instagram and say hello, or on TikTok. I’m mostly on Instagram. drtracyd is my handle on all socials.
So come say hello. Let me know what you needed to hear from today’s conversation, and then all of my resources are available on my website, drtracyd.com. I always say to couples, “Don’t wait. Get support now,” because if you’re feeling a little bit stuck, it just means you need some tools to get through that, and a resource like book, or you can work with me through coaching, we can do that together.
So then you get through the wedding, you get through the next season of life feeling connected and close. I just think that’s so important. So- I love it … working with couples is what thrills, is what fills me up.
Christa Innis: Amazing. And yes, and where is your book available?
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Mm. Anywhere you buy books and on all formats.
I know a lot of people have bought the audiobook. It’s available on your e-book format, whatever that is, and then also the hardcover. And there’s so many exercises in there. I’ve had a few people tell me that they didn’t need to use it in the context of their in-laws, but instead went through the whole system just to have a marriage minute- Yeah
and to recalibrate where they were in terms of their values and what matters to them. And in step two, there’s a list, I can’t even remember how many questions, that I didn’t even have before we got married, and I wish every couple would have th- this list of questions.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I love that, ’cause I feel we hear it all the time, but it’s like so many people focus on the wedding, the wedding day, and the glamour of it, and the photos, and spending that money, but they don’t think about the marriage, like
your lifelong commitment. and so tools like this I feel like are so important, so this is amazing. And thank you again for coming on. It was so nice to officially meet you, and I feel like I learned a ton and I hope my audience did too.
Dr. Tracy Dalgleish: Thank you, Christa.
Parent Wars, Soaked Wedding Dress, and Cake for Dinner with Keesha Scott
My new book Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story is live!
Messy family dynamics, in‑law meltdowns, and sibling drama all rolled into one crazy conversation.
This week, I sit down with Keesha Scott to talk about resilience, motherhood, and her own wedding disaster you couldn’t make up if you tried. Keesha talks about 24 years of sobriety journey, and her Alcoholics Anonymous program. Her own version of a wedding disaster unfolds a black water dress nightmare, and blood seeping through her dress. This wedding was a ‘nightmare’ that turned into her favorite cautionary tale.
To more wild wedding stories, a submission features a mom who hijacked the day, mother-in-law meltdown, and a maid of honor who blocked the bride on social media. This episode is equal parts shocking and hilarious.
The lesson? Boundaries aren’t just for weddings. They’re for every stage of life.
Come for the wedding circus, stay for the real talk, and leave with a reminder that protecting your peace is the best gift you can give yourself.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Black Water Wedding Disaster – Keesha relives the nightmare of her gown turning dark and blood seeping through, proving that no amount of planning can save you from chaos.
- 24 Years Sober – She opens up about her sobriety milestone and how Alcoholics Anonymous shaped her resilience and motherhood journey.
- Mom Hijacks the Wedding – A listener submission reveals how a controlling mother turned the celebration into her own spotlight.
- MIL Meltdown – The mother‑in‑law’s demands and theatrics left the couple caught between celebration and conflict.
- Maid of Honor Blocked – Social media drama spills into real life when the bride’s own maid of honor cuts her off online.
- Family Feuds Magnified – Christa and Keesha unpack how weddings don’t just reveal family dynamics, they magnify them.
- Boundaries Beyond Weddings – The episode closes with the reminder that boundaries aren’t optional; they’re survival skills for every stage of life.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “ My journey into parenting was hard and lonely. That shaped some of the way I’ve shown up as a parent, coming from a little bit of a place of fear. But also a real strong place of resilience.” – Keesha Scott
- “ If you can impact one life, it’s super meaningful work. ”– Keesha Scott
- “Teenage girls specifically, teenagers in general in my opinion, are just super misunderstood.” – Keesha Scott
- “Sometimes in life you gotta roll.” – Keesha Scott
- “No one fought harder to get down that goddamn aisle than us… we’re in this thing forever.” – Keesha Scott
- “Sharing your story sometimes just helps you feel more connected.” – Christa Innis
- “You’ve been through every season in that one day of hardship, disaster, all these things and then it’s like, ‘Okay, we can do anything now.’” – Christa Innis
- “Sometimes you just need to hear different stories to know it’s okay.” – Christa Innis
“I feel like especially with motherhood, there’s this idea that you have to do things this certain way.” – Christa Innis - “That could be like a movie in itself, you’ve been through every season in that one day.” – Christa Innis
*This conversation is for entertainment and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Please seek a licensed professional for your specific situation.
About Keesha
Keesha Scott is a powerhouse of resilience and authenticity. She’s an author, and the co‑founder of Guardian Recovery, a national behavioral health company serving families across the country. With a master’s degree in psychology and certification as a parenting coach, Keesha has dedicated her career to supporting adolescents, mothers, and families navigating difficult seasons.
She’s also the host of the Cake for Dinner podcast, a space for moms to share real, unfiltered stories, and the author of an upcoming parenting book set to release in 2027.
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Christa Innis: Hey, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Here Comes the Drama. I’m your host, Christa Innis, and if you like wild stories that will keep you on the edge of your seat that are very shocking or drama-filled, you are in the right place. Um, but let me tell you, I had so much fun with today’s guest. Um, I sat down with Keesha Scott.
She’s the co-founder of Guardian Recovery. It’s a behavioral health company serving families across the country. She’s a serve- certified parenting coach, has a master’s degree in psychology, and hosts the Cake for Dinner podcast, and is also the author of an upcoming parenting book. We had so much fun chatting about all the work she does, motherhood, her podcast, recovery, and so much more.
Plus, she shares a very long, detailed wedding story of her own that will leave you on the edge of your seat. The whole time I was like, “How did this happen to one person?” I feel like we get so many stories sent in to us where when I post them, people are like, “This can’t be real. There’s no way this happened.”
This is one of those where you’re just gonna be like, “How, this poor bride, how did this happen to her?” But she lives to tell us the tale, and, um, it’s, it’s pretty remarkable the things that she has gone through and just kind of, you know, carries through with such positivity and, you know, obviously with all of her work making such an impact.
So without further ado, let’s dive into this week’s episode. Enjoy.
Christa Innis: Hi, Keesha. Thanks for being here.
Keesha Scott: Yeah, thanks for having me.
Christa Innis: I’m so excited to talk with you. I know you have a wild story of your own, before we get into that, can you tell everyone a little bit more about yourself and what you do?
Keesha Scott: Sure. I am a mother of three. I’m an author with a new parenting book coming out in 2027, and I am also a podcast host of a podcast called Cake for Dinner.
Christa Innis: I love that. So starting off with Cake for Dinner, I know it’s a podcast for moms with real conversations. What kind of inspired or led you to start that podcast?
Keesha Scott: So I wrote the book, and one of the feedback I kept getting from publishers was that I didn’t have a social platform. and at 52, I wasn’t, like, excited about taking pictures of myself , so I decided that, I would start a podcast for women really just telling their truth, and then I would make that my social platform.
So that was the initial idea, and it kind of just took off. I think women specifically are sort of done with this, perfection culture and just excited about hearing authenticity. so that’s kind of how it started.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I love that because I feel like especially with motherhood, there’s this idea that you have to do things this, like, certain way, at least in, like, the old wor- I shouldn’t say Old World, but, like, when Instagram came out, everything was like, ” My house is perfectly clean all the time.
I do this and this and this, and if you’re not doing this for your kids, then you’re a bad mom.” And there was all this, like, back and forth. And, I talked about it before, but I worked for, like, a mommy brand before I became a mom myself, and I feel like that helped so much ’cause I heard so many women’s stories of, like, how did they, like, sleep-train, or did they sleep-train?
Did they breastfeed or bottle-feed? And just hearing different stories of, like, it’s okay to do things your own way.
Keesha Scott: Yeah, and I also think it’s, like, kind of hard-earned wisdom, you know? I mean, I’m 52. My twins are 19. My son is 12. And so I’ve gone through that journey. what I would like to do is put that all in a book and pass it down to younger moms so that they don’t have to learn all of those lessons the hard way.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. I love that. and what’s the title of your book that’s coming out?
Keesha Scott: The book is also Cake for Dinner.
Christa Innis: Cake for Dinner. I love that. And where did that title come from?
Keesha Scott: So it’s kind of… Um, I was a single mom in the beginning of the book, um, and I, you know, that’s it. Sometimes you have cake for dinner.
And, um, it’s also a nod to my dad. My dad, um, everyone in my family bakes. He’s a doctor in exercise science, health physiology, but he also bakes, and that’s kind of, like, our love language. So any time I’ve struggled in my life, he makes this amazing German chocolate cake. Um, and it really has gotten me through some rough periods, so it’s also kind of a nod to that.
Christa Innis: Oh, I love that. That’s cool. That makes me think of, um, like, Bridesmaids when she’s, like, making the cake for herself- Yeah … and she’s, like, kind of getting back into it. I love that. Um, so how do you feel like motherhood has, like, influenced your career decisions or kind of changed you in your, like, journey into motherhood and, like, as you, as your kids get older as well?
‘Cause you said they’re 12 and 19, so I’m sure that’s kind of evolved your career as well.
Keesha Scott: Yes. You know, it just kind of all has meshed together at some point. Um, I got into motherhood, I had a bit of a rough start. My husband left me when I was pregnant with twins, six weeks pregnant. Wow. Um, and then from there it was a long journey, and he eventually died of a drug overdose.
So, you know, my journey into parenting was hard and lonely. Um, so I think, you know, that shaped some of the way I’ve shown up as a parent, you know, coming from a little bit of a place of fear. Um, but also a real strong place of resilience, you know, and focus on probably what really matters. Um, you know, so it’s been a lot of things, and it really has meshed into my career.
Finding Purpose in Behavioral Health
I have a master’s in psychology, and my husband and I founded a national behavioral health company. Um, and then, like, that turned into me working with adolescents that were struggling, and then that turned into me wanting to help moms, and then that sort of meshed into the book and the podcast. So it, it really all has come together, and now it’s just sort of my life.
Christa Innis: I love that. Is that the Guardian, Guardian Recovery that you guys started? Yeah. Yes. Okay. So that was before Cake for Dinner, and you guys kind of make, combined, like, worked together to come up to start that?
Keesha Scott: Yeah. So we, um, founded Guardian in 2008. Um, really it was my husband’s idea and dream and, um, over time we sort of just filled the gaps in, in the mental health space, which really started with outpatient, because people used to go to treatment for 30 days, and then that was that.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Keesha Scott: Um, the research shows that that’s not super effective, so we started an aftercare program. And then over the years we’ve just filled the gaps where we saw fit, and one of those gaps was adolescent treatment. Um, when my 19-year-olds were probably 14, they started to have some of their own struggles.
Um, and I just found that there weren’t a ton of resources, at least locally. So we got into that space, which is really where I found my love, you know. I love working with troubled teenagers. I was a troubled teenager, um, so I feel super passionate about that. Um, and then that naturally led to helping moms.
Christa Innis: I love that. And, like, just seeing, like, the impact, so, like, do you have… I mean, not saying specifics, but, like, things that Guardian has done or, like, that you’ve, like, seen firsthand that’s, like, really made an impact or difference in your own life or others around you?
Keesha Scott: Absolutely. So tomorrow actually, I pick up my 24-year medallion in Alcoholics Anonymous, and I will be accompanied by six teenage girls who are also staying sober after coming to our program.
Um, they, I do a free call every Tuesday night. Every Tuesday night they get on. It’s literally my favorite thing to do. And, um, yeah, so when I see them, one girl will pick up one year tomorrow and one will pick up two years sober at, one is gonna, she’s 19 and, and the other one is, I think, 17. Mm. So, you know, to experience that, it makes all of it worth it, you know?
Um, if you can impact one life, and it’s not just me, you know, by myself, it’s the company and all the wonderful people we have that work so hard to impact these young girls’ lives. But yeah, when you, when you see stuff like that, um, it’s just super meaningful work.
Christa Innis: That’s great. Yeah, and I’m sure, like, having that resource, especially them being so young, is so powerful ’cause I think, I think that’s one thing we keep getting better as a society is creating resources that- aren’t gonna cost tons of money or just are more accessible, whether that’s, like, through online calls like you were talking about, like Zoom calls or, or, um, you know, local community k- type things.
‘Cause I feel like that’s one of the benefits with, like, social media or, you know, online communities because, uh, it was not so easy to find in the past.
Keesha Scott: Yeah. And, you know, teenage girls specifically, teenagers in general in my opinion, are just super misunderstood. And, you know, when you can create a safe space for them that’s also a little fun and cool, I mean, they will open up and, you know, really, really rise to the occasion.
Um, so A, I love providing that. Um, and also it is just so fun. It’s so fun to see. It’s so meaningful. Um, yeah, so I love it.
Christa Innis: That’s great. So can anyone get, um, like whether get involved, or if they know someone that’s struggling, can they, um, direct them to your page? Or how does that kind of work, um, if they can-
Keesha Scott: Yeah.
Um, my website is akeeshascott.com, K-E-E-S-H-A scott.com. Also, I am active on Instagram. I mean, I’m happy always, even if I don’t have the answers, to try to direct them to the appropriate spot. Um, but there are a ton of resources. You just have to dig around and ask people.
Christa Innis: Amazing. Awesome. Well, I love, I love what you’re doing.
I think it’s fantastic and, um, like I said, like the resources at different levels, talking about teens and then as well as motherhood. And with motherhood- Yeah … it’s like just sharing your story sometimes just helps you feel more connected, so I think it’s amazing what you do.
Keesha Scott: Thank you.
The Wedding That Went Off Script
Christa Innis: So I know we, we kinda make that, like, switch into, um, wedding stories, and I know you have- Yeah
a wedding story of your own, um, that’s pretty wild. So, um, if you wanna start it and then, yeah, like I’ll kinda- pop in and ask questions along the way as well.
Keesha Scott: Okay. Um, so it’s important to get a little of the backstory. So I did mention that my first husband died of a drug overdose. Um, I was a single mom, and I met my current husband.
And so I think that’s important, because when you are getting married as a single mom, it is, like, such a big deal because your kids, in my case, because their father died, they were getting a dad. So, like, this day was a really, really big deal. Um, at the time, we were not, you know, financially things weren’t great, so I decided to borrow a dress from my friend.
Um, it was a $6,000 vintage Monique Lhuillier dress, which she thought would be gorgeous on me. I was very nervous because it was like a Sex and the City. It was a gown, you know? Um, but I also was like, “Fuck it. Like, I’m just gonna be this today.” Um, so that’s very important to know all of that. So after I decided to borrow the dress, you know, the periods went forward of where you get it altered and things like that.
When the wedding got closer, she started to get, like, super nervous about this dress, and I started to sense that she didn’t really want me to wear the dress. The problem was I didn’t really have very much money. The, the wedding was right around the corner, and wedding dresses aren’t, you know, it takes time to fit them and everything.
Mm-hmm. So I thought in, in order to, in an effort to sort of calm her nerves, that I would not get it altered. So it did need to be altered a bit, but I thought, “You know what? It doesn’t have to be perfect. I’ll just wear it the way it is.” So when I called to tell her that, she seemed glad that I wasn’t altering it, but still not super happy, so I was mad at that point.
I was just like, “Who does this?” You know? Right. Now, in retrospect, it was her dress, and I probably should have been a little more compassionate, but I was just charging forward. So I offered this to her. I said, “You know what? I just won’t serve red wine at the wedding. I mean, what else could go wrong?”
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Keesha Scott: Well, a lot went, a lot went wrong.
Christa Innis: Oh,
Keesha Scott: no. Um, red wine would’ve been a dream. Um, so she still wasn’t excited, but she just sort of gave in at that point. Mm-hmm. So the wedding day started with- tremendously crazy weather. So I woke up, and it was like, it wasn’t raining, it was like a monsoon. Okay? And there was actually a tornado, like, streets over from mine, which doesn’t even, I don’t even think happens in Florida.
So it was just like this crazy day. So it started with me having to call the Ritz Carlton and tell them it, and us deciding that we would have the wedding inside. Mm-hmm. So that already sucked because if you’re from Florida or you know Florida, like, being on the beach and that was, like, the whole point of it.
Right? We were having a very small wedding, but it was gonna be on the beach. So already it was like, okay, now we’re, like, in some weird ballroom that’s, like, not my vibe at all, you know? So that’s how it started. Um, my mom and my daughter and I got in the car, and I just tried to coach myself. At this point, I’ve been through death, divorce.
Like, I’ve been through a lot of stuff, so I was like, “Okay, this day isn’t about the aesthetics,” right? This day is about marrying the love of my life. My children are getting a father. So I was kind of, it was kinda easy for me to coach myself into the ballroom.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Keesha Scott: So as we drive there, we get there, and the bellman comes out, you know, and I have the dress.
And so he puts it on, like, that gold thing, you know? We wheel it down the hall into the room, and he says, “Listen, this can’t be hung in the closet because it’s so long, so brides hang it on the hook in the bathroom.” So I’m like, “Okay, no problem.” He leaves. My mom and I go in to hang the dress. I don’t see a hook in the bathroom, okay?
So I notice the hook on the ceiling, which is basically the fire, you know, thing.
Christa Innis: Right. Yeah.
Keesha Scott: Well, I’m like, “Well, that can’t be right.” Well, sure enough, we tried it. It hung perfectly to the floor. So I’m like, “Okay, this one might, must not be activated. I guess this is what they do.” Well, that’s what we did. So we moved on with the, the morning or the day.
Um, my husband calls, and he says, “Listen- “Don’t be mad at me. I know these pictures are really important to you, but I’m on the boat with my brother and I just got hit in the head by the, um, like the pole from the fishing thing or whatever.” And he’s like, “I have a huge goose egg on my head. I am so sorry.
You know, I’m doing my best, but there’s like a storm out here,” you know, whatever. So again, I’m like, okay, the pictures aren’t important. Now we’re in a fucking ballroom and he’s got an egg on his head, but you know what? I’m still gonna marry the love of my life.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Keesha Scott: My children are still gonna get a father.
So we proceed. Everybody’s in there getting their hair and makeup done. You know, my daughter is like the star of the show. She’s seven at the time. My mom is there, my bridesmaids. The photographer shows up and she says, “Hey, I’m gonna do some pictures of the dress and then I’ll do pictures of you and you guys getting ready.”
So I’m like, “Okay.” She leaves, we’re getting ready, and I hear a scream that I can still remember to this day. And all the sudden, like, water just starts pouring out of the ceiling, and it’s not water, clear water. Apparently what happens with this is if it hasn’t been activated in a long time, it, like, like, turns to soot basically.
So, like, black- Oh … water-
Christa Innis: Oh my …
Keesha Scott: is raining on us, but it’s not like raining. It, it’s meant to put out a fire, so it comes out hard. So it’s, like, fucking raining in the room. Everybody’s freaking out. The fire alarm is going off, and the people start coming in, “Everybody out. Everybody out.” And a few things. One, I was like, “I’m not leaving here without the dress.”
Yeah. So I went in, f- see the dress hanging there. The dress is black. Mm. My daughter’s dress is hanging next to it. It’s black.
Christa Innis: Oh my God. So I
Keesha Scott: grab my dress and her dress, and I kinda tuck down and I run out. Well, apparently my daughter was so terrified that midway through this she jumped on my mom, and she’s, you know, cuddled, like, s- clung to my mom.
My mom was in a thong, okay? She’s, you know, my mom’s 74 years old. Well, sh- my daughter wouldn’t get down, so my mom had to evacuate The Ritz-Carlton in a thong. I mean- … what else do you need to know about the day, right? Like, it’s like, holy
Christa Innis: shit.
Keesha Scott: Oh my
Christa Innis: gosh.
Keesha Scott: There we are all running down the, the stairs, you know?
Like, the, ’cause you can’t use the elevator because apparently there’s a fire, which there wasn’t actually a fire. So we get evacuated onto the lawn of The Ritz-Carlton, all, shit all over us, my mom in a thong, and me with the dress. So- … that is how the day began. Now, it gets much worse. Let me know if you would like to ask- Oh my gosh,
Christa Innis: yes.
I’m just like, how could it get worse? Wait, so did, did hanging the dress ignite something, or did something happen in the hotel and it just happened-
Keesha Scott: So hanging the dress basically just, like, put it there, and when she went to take it down-
Christa Innis: It pulled- …
Keesha Scott: it activated it.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, I would n- and I would never think that it would come out, like, black like that.
Mm-hmm. You would think, like- Mm-hmm … fresh spring water. I don’t know. Like, I guess I’ve never had that happen.
Keesha Scott: Yeah, well, black.
Christa Innis: Okay, so what, so what happened next? Yeah, I’m like, I’m so curious.
Keesha Scott: It gets so bad it’s almost, like, depressing. It’s a downer. Um, so then they start coming in saying, you know, “We’re so sorry, Mrs.
Scott. Like, would you, do you wanna go to the spa?” And I’m like, “Uh, the fucking spa?” Like, I’m supposed to- … I’m supposed to walk down an aisle in two hours. Mm-hmm. Now my dress is black. I look like shit. I have black stuff everywhere. The photographer is in tears. My mo- everyone is devastated. Like, this is like, you know, everyone’s…
So I’m like, “I don’t really want a massage,” you know? So anyways, they, they bring us back in, like, you know, all these, like the management came in and they said to me, “Listen, Mrs. Scott, we are The Ritz-Carlton. We can fix this.” And I’m like, “Mm, it’s not looking great,” but, like, my life has been so wild and ended up so great so many times that I was kinda like, “All right,” you know?
May- maybe they can- Yeah … may- l- l- let’s see what you got, you know? So they take the dress and meanwhile they’re trying to come up with all these ideas. They’re like, “We have gowns in the lobby,” you know, “There’s a boutique nearby.” And, like, I just don’t get down like that. Like, I would rather walk down there in my sweatpants and just get married.
I’m not gonna wear some lady’s, like, weird gown, you know what I mean? Like- … that’s just not gonna happen. So they had all these different ideas, and they’re also like, “Maybe we could postpone it.” I’m like, “I’m also not gonna do that.” Like, families have flown in from Charleston, you know. So I’m like, “Look, it’s gonna go one of two ways.
They’re gonna fix the dress or I’m rolling in my sweatpants.” Mm-hmm. That’s, those are the two options here. So they take the dress, they call- And they say, “You’re in luck. We have this, like, amazing dry cleaner, and she can fix the dress. She said it’s no problem.” So I’m like, “Well, shit,” you know? The Ritz Carlton shines.
So they move on with their thing, and we proceed to everybody start getting ready. So we go back in, hair gets fixed, makeup’s on, and they call and say they- they fixed the dress and they’re gonna bring it back. Wow. So we’re like, “Oh my gosh.” Everyone is like, “Oh my gosh.” Like, only Keesha would have this thing happen and this dress get fixed, okay?
Yeah. So they bring the dress back. They kno- you know, they ring the doorbell. We answer, and don’t you know, the dress is on that gold thing, you know? So they wheel it in, and this lady comes and she says, “I own the dry cleaner. I had to hand deliver this dress and meet the bride.” Mm. So I’m like, “Oh, okay, great.”
So ev- the photographer is, like, ready. So I unzip the dress, and out pops a fucking… I don’t even what this… It looked like a chicken, okay? So basically, basically picture Sex In The City, like, this huge gown, and, like, basically every piece of tulle was, like, a big flat piece of tulle, and there was just so many of them that it made it very grandiose, right?
Well, each piece of tulle, because of the water, turned into, like, a spiral, kinda like a Cheeto, right? So now it’s, like, all, tons of those, like, hanging. To her credit, it was white as could be, okay?
Christa Innis: Wow,
Keesha Scott: that’s amazing. Like, it was white, but it was wet, it smelled like a dog- … and it looked… Like, if you had never seen the dress before, maybe it wasn’t, like, ugly, but it looked nothing like what it did before.
Yeah. I was just like, “Oh my gosh,” you know? Like, how do you even make peace with this? So everyone’s like, “Just put it on. Just put it on.” So I’m like, “Okay,” so I put it on. Meanwhile, the secret was that I was pregnant and nobody knew.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Keesha Scott: So I already, like, was a l- had gained a little weight. Like, apparently they shrunk it, so like my boobs are hanging out.
It’s wet. It, like, smelled like shit, and my mom gets the idea that it’s because each tulle is wet, so she is on her hands and knees drying each piece of tulle. And sure enough, each one would like, you know, sort of like come back to life, but I mean, this could’ve taken a day.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Keesha Scott: And I just was done. I was like, “I am done with this shit,” you know?
I just said, “Look, sometimes in life you gotta roll. Like, I’m not doing this, you know? Everybody get in your places. We’re gonna get married.” And so I said, “I just need a few minutes by myself.” So I took the, you know, little private way down by myself, and I said, “Just have my dad meet me at the bottom- … to walk me down the aisle.
My mom was horrified because she’s a bit of pr- a perfectionist, and it was like just really hard for her to let go of it and just let me go down like that. Mm-hmm. Um, but I did, and then it proceeds to get much worse.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. You poor thing. I’m like, how, like, are th- all these things just happening?
It’s just… Like, are you, are you during this time, like… I mean, it sounds like you were like, “Okay, I just need to walk away. I need to do these things.” But like- Or you, uh, externally, like, holding it in? Like, okay, I, if I let one thing get to me, it’s just gonna be, like, tears or-
Keesha Scott: I don’t… I think, like, it’s part of being a mom, you know?
Like, I’m getting married, but I’m also, like, in that moment celebrating my daughter getting a father. So it’s like, you know, I don’t know. It’s just so much, like… And I had already been through so much with my first husband dying and, you know, sort of keeping that from the kids. Like, I don’t know, at this point I’m just numb, I think, honestly.
Mm. Like, at this point it becomes, at this point it becomes more about the kids and just ki- the people who’ve paid to come and, you know, uh, the guy I hired to marry us and the, you know, all this stuff. I was just like, “Let’s just get this over with,” you know?
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. Okay. So what, so what happens next?
Keesha Scott: Okay. So I go down, we walk down the aisle, like, um, it, you know, I’m just, like, trying to, like, be happy. And we, um, go to say our wedding vows, and my husband and I wrote our own vows. And I will say people have said to me that it was the most beautiful wedding they ever attended despite the this, because the vows were so real and so true.
You know? Like, I really did meet the love of my life, and he took on two two-year-olds. I mean, that’s not common. Mm-hmm. Um, so that part of it was very real, but almost towards the end of it, I felt something kind of running down my leg, and I was like, like, uh, the people say, like, when you’re pregnant sometimes you can’t hold your bladder.
Mm-hmm. So I was like, “Am I fucking pissing in this dress?” Like, like, what else could happen to this dress? You know what I mean? Right. And I was just kinda, like, over it at that point. Like, if that’s what ha- is happening, then oh well. So I just sort of carried on. And then when I went to sit down, my friend said to me, “Keesha, there’s…
Sit down.” And I’m like, “Why? Is there pee? Like, can you see, like, what is running down my leg?” And she was like, “There’s blood all over your dress.” And I was like, “Oh my God.” Now mind you, five minutes before this we stood up and we cheers and we announced to the whole wedding that I’m pregnant.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Keesha Scott: So now everyone knows I’m pregnant, my kids, my mom, my dad, all my brothers, and now she tells me that I’m bleeding everywhere.
So she takes the dress, like, and pulls it back, and we run into the bathroom. My mom comes in, I’m hemorrhaging all over at this point. She calls my d- doctor on speakerphone and he says, “You’re miscarrying So you need to come to the emergency room immediately. And I’m just like, “How do you… Like, how do you even go tell people this?”
And for the first time in my life, and I mean, I… Girl, I have been down. I have been through a lot of stuff. I said to my mom, “Why is this happening?” And for the first time ever, she was speechless. She said, “I don’t know.” Like, normally she’s coaching me. She’s got, you know, everything is silver lining. She’s like, “I’ve got nothing.”
So we… I decide I don’t wanna take an ambulance. Like, that feels dramatic, you know? So I, my, get in the car with my sister-in-law and the maid of honor, and they drive me to the emergency room. My husband, I made him stay there because my kids were s- gonna be so upset, and I wanted him to talk to my son specifically.
And he then comes to the ER. So we’re in the emergency room. The doctor said, “Wait, you’re the bride and the groom?” Like, this is the worst story ever. And so, um, it ends with them telling me that the baby is okay.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. Thank God. Ugh.
Keesha Scott: That I will now be on bed rest for a long time, but the baby is okay.
So again, my life is wild and crazy, but the ultimate goal was, right, for us to be married, my kids to get a father, and us to bring in a ba- a baby into this world. So we did that. So if anyone ever tells me, like, they had a bad wedding or it rained or a bird pooped on their head, I’m like, “Oh, my God.” Like- Like, I’ve…
To this day, I’ve never heard a wedding story so bad, and the photographer retired. She has never done a wedding since. Never. That’s horrible. Her husband said she came, she came home in tears and he said she, she will never do it again. Never. Oh, my gosh. She’s,
Christa Innis: she
Keesha Scott: takes pictures, but she’s never done a wedding since.
So that’s-
Christa Innis: So what about your, your friend that lent you the dress? Was she at the wedding?
Keesha Scott: She was not at the wedding. I only had one friend, and he had one friend. It was, like, small as far as friends go.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Keesha Scott: Um, she was not happy.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Keesha Scott: She, uh, wanted to see the dress after, um, which I tried to sort of, like, warn her, “You don’t wanna see this dress,” you know?
Um, she did come over anyway the next day. It was almost like the dress had been through the hangover. You know what I mean? Like, it was like, like, didn’t have the same shape. It wasn’t the same color. There was blood all over it. Like, it was… She… I opened the closet, showed it to her, and she was just horrified.
I don’t think she, like, understood the gravity of, like, the situation. Um- But yeah, she was, you know, she was pretty upset. She didn’t really want me to wear it to begin with. It was a vintage gown that she was super excited about. Um, and it was clearly ruined forever.
Christa Innis: Yeah. But I’m still, I’m so confused, ’cause like she offered it to you in the beginning, right?
But then it was like once it became serious she was like, “I don’t know,” like …
Keesha Scott: Yeah, she, she like really wanted me to wear it in the beginning. Yeah. Because I was so enamored with her pictures.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Keesha Scott: And she was like, “Just wear it,” you know? And I think she was just trying to be kind, and I think she was excited for me to wear it, but then I think as like a few weeks went by, she was so attached to the dress that she just really wasn’t into it anymore.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh my gosh. Wow, that is quite the day. I’m glad it all like, it turned out in the end, everything was okay with your baby. I’m like, listening to this like, “Oh my gosh,” like how can anything honestly get worse? Like, it just-
Keesha Scott: Right? …
Christa Innis: came together.
Keesha Scott: I mean, I have a great marriage, if that accounts for anything.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yes. You’ve been through every season in that one day of like hardship- Right … disaster, like all these things, and then it’s like, “Okay, we, we can do anything now.”
Keesha Scott: And I’m like, “We’re never getting divorced.” Like, no one fought harder to get down that goddamn aisle than us, like-
Christa Innis: Yes.
Keesha Scott: We’re in this thing forever.
Christa Innis: Gosh, that could be like a movie in itself, ’cause it’s like, it’s like everything that happened, like leading up to it and beyond, it’s just like, wow. That is, that is, that is probably one of the most wild wedding stories I’ve heard, and I’ve heard a lot.
Keesha Scott: I know, when I saw your podcast I was like, “Th- I have to tell her this.”
Christa Innis: Like I was made for this podcast. Yes. Oh my gosh, yes. Well, and it’s funny too ’cause like I’ll share stories like on my YouTube or something, and people are like, “This has to be made up,” and I’m like, “Dude, people have wild stories- Right … like you wouldn’t believe.” Um, and it’s just, just the way it’s dealt sometimes.
I don’t, I don’t even know how or why things happen like that. It’s, it’s crazy. It’s insane. Okay. So let’s get into this week’s, uh, wedding story submission of some- one that someone sent me, and we’ll see if it’s as wild as yours. Um, and are you still okay on time?
Keesha Scott: Yeah, I realized I forgot to turn my lights on.
Is it dark in here?
Christa Innis: Oh, I can see you. Yeah, I feel like you’re, you’re bright enough, but if you want to- ‘Cause I’ll- … feel free
Keesha Scott: to- …
Christa Innis: I’ll turn it on- Yeah … for this part
Keesha Scott: I mean, I probably should have done that for the podcast.
Christa Innis: No, you’re all good. No, I- Yeah … literally, like halfway when I’m recording I’ll be like, “Oh, I didn’t do this,” or, “I didn’t…”
I just moved to some, like- Who sits
Keesha Scott: in the dark and does a podcast? What a weirdo.
Christa Innis: No, it’s okay. There’s always… There’s, like, too many moving parts and things to think about. It’s all good. Okay, here is what… Here we go. Okay. Feel free to stop me at any time or we’ll kind of just pause, but here we go. “Hi, I love your videos and I thought you’d find this story perfect for one of your skits because honestly, it’s the most awkward, stressful wedding experience ever.
My parents are divorced. My dad and step-mom live on the West Coast, and my mom and step-dad live on the East Coast, where I was living when I got engaged. We were trying to keep the wedding costs low because my parents had just paid for my sister’s wedding six months earlier, and my husband and I had no money saved.
Venue Becomes a Battleground
We really didn’t want to put everything on my dad again, especially so soon.” When I first told my mom we were planning to have the wedding at my grandma’s cabin out in the country with a big tent in the yard, she immediately said it was unacceptable. She kept pushing me to have a, to book a old barn down the road instead.
She claimed she was worried about rain getting into the tent, but then described the barn as having slats on the roof where you could see the stars, so that would also let rain in. Not long after that, I went dress shopping with my maid of honor, my two sisters, my husband, my stepchild, and my mother-in-law.
My mom didn’t come. It was meant to be my official dress appointment. I was trying on a few dresses to see what I liked while we looked at bridesmaids and flower girl options as well. My mother-in-law took some pictures. When my mom found out, she completely flipped out that she hadn’t been invited.
The very next day she asked me to meet her at another bridal boutique. I couldn’t get anyone else to come, so it was just me, my husband, ’cause I didn’t mind if he saw the dress, my mom, and my mother-in-law. I tried on four dresses and liked one, but I wasn’t completely sure. I had only tried on a few overall.
I told my mom it would be fine to put it on hold while I thought about it. Instead, she walked out and bought it immediately, not because it was my favorite, but because she wanted to be the first one to spend money on my wedding before my dad and step-mom could. My gosh. Way to make it about you.
Keesha Scott: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh.
Okay. Eventually, after more back and forth about the venue, my stepdad, my s- my dad stepped in and paid for it so I could keep the wedding at my grandma’s house. A little later, my husband and I flew to my dad’s house and made all our centerpieces, table settings, and decorations ourselves. I had really bad allergies, so I chose fake flowers.
My favorite flowers are called ca- calla lilies- Mm-hmm … so we made beautiful bouquets with them. My mom found out, and she was furious. She went out and bought a completely different bouquet made of white roses and told me roses were the only acceptable flower for my wedding, and if I didn’t use hers, it meant I didn’t love her.
Keesha Scott: Oh
Christa Innis: my gosh. Wild. Okay. That pretty much set the tone for everything. Any time my dad or step-mom contributed something, my mom felt like she had to do something bigger or override it. She tried to change everything, the venue, the food, the seating chart, the music. She even attempted to get the DJ to switch out our ceremony songs.
My God. She convinced me to use a specific bakery for the cake, but the day before the wedding, I found out they couldn’t fulfill the order. I had to run to the grocery store and buy a cake. It wasn’t a huge deal for me, but still frustrating. For the rehearsal dinner, we kept it simple. We ordered specialty pizzas from our favorite local place for everyone.
Most people loved it, but apparently my in-laws were upset because they made it, they thought it made them look cheap since they believed the groom’s family should be hosting something more formal. I had pizza at mine. The night before the wedding, all bridesmaids stay at my grandma’s house so we could get ready in the morning since the venue was about 55 minutes away and the ceremony was at 11:00 AM.
Even though there were four bedrooms, my mom took one of the beds, and I ended up sleeping on the air mattress in the living room with my husband’s cousin. Wow Oh my gosh, this is like the mom’s day. Um, no one offered to switch, then everyone kept partying even though we had to wake up at 5:00 AM. The next morning, everyone overslept, which put, put us behind schedule.
My sisters and one of my close friends had offered to do hair and makeup as their gift to me. My friend, who was amazing at makeup, stayed the night to do mine, but she woke up with angry messages from her boyfriend, who had already shown up uninvited to the rehearsal dinner. Oh, gosh. She was so stressed that she left early.
Wait, so she promised to do hair and makeup, and she’s like, “Sorry.”
Keesha Scott: Gosh.
Christa Innis: Ah. Uh, so she left early, so one of my sisters had to take over doing hair and makeup for everyone, including me. It all turned out great, but it made me even more behind. Originally, my mom was supposed to do my hair, but since she woke up late, she told me, “I can’t do your hair because as the mother of the bride, I need to look my best.”
Don’t have time for both. This is… It’s, like, comical. Okay. The wedding was early because we were leaving the same day for a 10-hour drive to catch a cruise the next morning. Oh, my… That is stressing, stressing me out. Ugh, for photos, my oldest sister offered to take them as her gift. She studied photography in college but wasn’t a professional.
Keesha Scott: No, no. I’m
Christa Innis: like, no, don’t do that. I’ve heard so many horror
Keesha Scott: stories I feel like she’s gonna not be available.
Christa Innis: I know. I’m just like, I know you want, like, people in your family to help, but sometimes it’s just not the best option.
Keesha Scott: Yeah, or you-
Christa Innis: No, ’cause they’re helping because they don’t, they’re, like, it’s free or cheap, but at the same time, they don’t have the experience or they’re gonna
Keesha Scott: be Period.
You’re the most unreliable group I’ve ever heard of.
Christa Innis: Yes. People just dipping out last second. My gosh, that would stress me out. Uh, she studied photography in college but wasn’t a professional. I sent her a list of shots I wanted. Also, how is a sister gonna be a part of the wedding, be there for you, and take photos?
Like, that just… You can’t be- Yeah … all those places.
Keesha Scott: Yeah, and she did the hair.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Is that the same sister that did the hair?
Keesha Scott: Yeah. We need clarification. How many sisters does she have?
Christa Innis: Yeah, how many sisters? She said, yeah, she just says, “One of my sisters took over hair and makeup,” and then her oldest, so I don’t know where the, all these sisters are.
Oh my gosh, wild. Um, but apparently we didn’t take enough photos with my mother-in-law. She had a meltdown during the reception over it. Then after we got back from our honeymoon, she demanded to see photos we didn’t even take, and when we explained, she didn’t speak to us for months. And
Keesha Scott: that’s the
Christa Innis: mother-in-law.
Mm-hmm. So now we have issues with the mother-in-law. And it’s like, that’s the thing too, it’s like when you have someone, like, already in the family doing, like, one of the vendor jobs, then they’re split multiple ways, and they’re not, like, taking it as a serious job. Not saying she did, did or didn’t. I think the mother-in-law probably would have been upset either way.
Keesha Scott: Yeah.
Christa Innis: But at least that way it’s like, okay, the vendor, it’s their job, they’re a professional. This way I’m just like, I don’t know, like, how is she gonna be in pictures and a part of the day then? As I was leaving for the reception, the reception for our honeymoon, I changed into a party dress, and my maid of honor came up, took back her veil, which was fine, and walked away.
Later, while posting photos, I realized she had blocked me on social media. I never found out why. What?
Keesha Scott: Years
Christa Innis: later, she randomly added me again like nothing happened. I need to know more about that.
Keesha Scott: Yeah.
Christa Innis: So it sounds like she borrowed her maid of honor’s veil, because she said- Yeah … she took back her veil, and then she was like, “Yeah, bye.”
Yeah. So something must have happened. Um, my mom also threw a fit when I said I only wanted my dad to walk me down the aisle. She insisted on being included, so I ended up walking with both of them, which took away from the special moment I wanted with my dad. See, that’s- Oh … kinda like, give them an inch, they’ll take a mile.
So if you give her that moment because she’s begging for it, then it’s like, it’s not your day then. You’re, you’re handing it over to her, basically.
Keesha Scott: This clearly wasn’t this girl’s day.
Christa Innis: Oh, yeah. From the get-go, it sounds like the mom wanted everything about her. Her venue, her this, uh, you know, just… That’s, I hate when that happens, ’cause it’s like then they look back and they’re like, “Cool.
I, I caved because she just wouldn’t stop,” but what good does that do? Um, and of course I had to carry the rose bouquet she bought. I used the one I made for the bouquet toss later. So she, she let her mom, like, win.
Keesha Scott: Yes.
One-Upping The Other: The Financials
Christa Innis: Yeah. She bragged, she also bragged to everyone about how much money she spent on the wedding.
More than my dad and step-mom, which wasn’t even true. Like, why? Mm-hmm. Why? Um, despite everything, the reception itself was actually really fun. We had a photo booth, the dancing was great, and the food was good. By the end of the night, though, I was completely exhausted and just ready for it to be over.
Then we got in the car, drove 10 hours to the cruise port, arrived at 4:00 a.m., and immediately agreed that next time we would just fly. Honestly, it felt like a full-on wedding circus Oof. I’m exhausted reading that. That is wild.
Keesha Scott: It makes me think that, like, like, in my book I talk about, um, like, pa- you know, having babies and taking away the pacifier and doing all those things basically trains you for big kids.
Like, taking away the pacifier is the same thing as, like, dropping them off at college, right? This is like mar- wedding is the same shit that she’s gonna have in her marriage. Like, she’s going to have issues with the mother-in-law. She’s gonna have issues with her mom. Like, it’s like all the things that she needed to do in the wedding to be happy, healthy, and free, she’s going to learn the hard way along the way.
Like, these are just little, like… It’s just showing her this is gonna be a problem. Imagine when she has a kid-
Christa Innis: Oh
Keesha Scott: my- … and she has a baby shower or a first birthday. Like, she is going to have the same scenario for her whole life until she puts her foot down.
Christa Innis: 100%, yes. This was, like, the teaser into what she can
Keesha Scott: expect.
Totally.
Christa Innis: Yeah Totally. It’s that moment of, like, that power dynamic of, like, the, the controlling mom or the, the mother-in-law that’s gonna just, like, maybe victimize herself a little. Like, “Oh, I’m not in enough pictures,” you know? And so, um-
Keesha Scott: When this girl is thinking about the dad’s money. Like, she’s like, “I don’t want him to have to spend too much money.”
Like, and then every… She’s like a doormat. I guarantee this is the dynamic she has in her life in all relationships.
The Art of Compromise
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah. That’s kinda what I’m getting too. And you make a really good point, like, if they choose to have children or if any kind of big life moment, these, especially the mom, is going to try to insert herself.
Mm-hmm. And, like, I had a therapist on yesterday that I was talking with and she was like, someone like that, you have to just, like, constantly say your boundary and then, like, be like, “If you do X, we’re gonna do Y,” and be, like, done with it. Because someone like this, like… So you ca- you ga- you used the bouquet that she wanted you to use.
You, you know, kind of like allowed her to take- Yes … control. And so it sounds like she-
Keesha Scott: You walked down the aisle with her.
Christa Innis: Yes, she g- walked down
Keesha Scott: the aisle And, like, here’s the thing. Everybody knows the dad walks you down the aisle. Like, you don’t have to do it that way. Right. But it’s not like it’s some weird concept.
Christa Innis: Yes. To get upset that she wants to walk with her dad, that’s a clear, like, issue that the mom has with the dad still. Obviously, the whole thing was about who spent more money.
Keesha Scott: That’s a very, very selfish mom, period. Like, I mean, my mom is evacuating in a thong, you know? This woman is forcing herself down the aisle, you know?
That’s tough. I’m grateful I don’t have that mom.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah. So if this person that sent this in is listening, start the boundaries now. You can’t- You can’t please- You can’t cave with those. Yeah …
Keesha Scott: and you can only give what you have. So you… She’s gonna probably have kids and parent them and teach them things, and the first lesson will be by learning herself how to have boundaries.
Because you can’t teach somebody how to have boundaries if you don’t know how to have them. So let this all be a lesson of what is to come.
Christa Innis: I feel like, and I don’t know if you can say the same, but like I feel like once I became a mom, I became much better at boundaries too. Because like I always call myself a recovering people pleaser.
Like I, as I got older, like I’ve gotten better and better. But there’s something about like teaching my daughter, like, okay, it’s okay to like take up space. It’s okay to like do this. And I was like, oh, I have to protect her now, so like I need to show her. I feel like it was like my responsibility, kinda like what you were just saying, is like I can’t- It’s not just me anymore, right?
So it’s like I felt- Right … like this new responsibility of like, okay, I need to teach her important boundaries now while she’s a toddler so that- Mm-hmm … you know, we can, she can instill that when she’s older. ‘Cause I feel like I didn’t have… Like, when I was younger, I was just like, “Okay. Oh, sorry. Sorry, I’m taking up space.
Oh, yeah, you can do this,” even though I didn’t, don’t want that, you know? So.
Keesha Scott: Yeah. Life’s a- always about a bunch of lessons. I was the opposite. I’ve always been the one taking up the space, and so I had to learn through my wedding that I should’ve adhered to this person not wanting me to use the dress.
Like, I had to, you know… So if you’re, um, brave enough, you just take every life’s experience and you try and learn from it, ’cause it’s- Mm-hmm … all guiding you to be your best self, you know? And this poor woman, bless her heart, she’s got a long journey ahead.
Christa Innis: Yes, yes. I… Definitely. Yeah, everything’s, everything’s a lesson, so hopefully this was, like, her big moment of like, “Okay, here’s what I would’ve changed.
Here’s how moving forward I’m going to react or respond to people like this in my life,” so.
Keesha Scott: And also, if she does listen to this, I will say I had a second wedding. At my one-year anniversary, we redid our wedding. It was small and quaint, but we redid it. And, um, I think she should too, and I don’t think she should listen to one person about how they’re gonna do it, even if she and her husband just do something small.
Um-
Christa Innis: That’s
Keesha Scott: a- But I think she should redo it.
Christa Innis: That’s a great idea, and just fully make it about them and their marriage- Yep … and anymore, even if they don’t tell anybody, even if they just
Keesha Scott: show up. Yeah, or even she could just let the dad come and walk down the aisle the way she wanted to.
Christa Innis: Yes. That’s a great…
Yeah. I feel like, because, yeah, a lot of these stories, like, I feel like anyone, and this might be a blanket statement, but for the most part when people email me and they’re unhappy about something, it’s because they caved in some way. Like, if the mom was like, “No, you need to get married here. Don’t elope.
Do this,” or, “Don’t have a big wedding. Elope.” And, like, if they listen to someone other than their partner or themselves, they’re usually kinda disappointed when they look back. And so I feel- Yeah … like if you really just, like, yeah, do, like, some kind of redo, and so it’s like- Yeah … a special moment. I love that idea.
So hopefully that went, your, when you guys did yours, it was much more smooth and-
Keesha Scott: Yeah. Yeah. There was no water, nothing crazy. You know- Oh my god … it was great.
Christa Innis: Good.
Keesha Scott: And I had the baby at that point, so
Christa Innis: you know. So then, yeah, they gotta b- be a part of it too then.
Keesha Scott: Yeah. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on.
I like, you’re- Yeah … you’re, I don’t think anything will top that. That was a wild story. And to hear it firsthand made it, like, so much more, like, entertainm- entertaining, but also, like, sh- the shock value. Um- Yes … so of course, where can everybody follow you, find more of your content, and then any updates on your book coming out as well?
Keesha Scott: Yeah, so my book will come out, um, in probably April 2027, so we still have, like, 10 months really to ramp up to that. Um, you can find me on Instagram @keeshawscott, which is K-E-E-S-H-A-W Scott. And, um, my website is keeshascott.com.
Christa Innis: Awesome. Well, thanks so much for coming on. It was so great officially meeting you.
Keesha Scott: Thank you. I love this concept. Great job.
Christa Innis: Thanks.
Maid of Honor Demotion, Seating Chart Chaos, and a Mother-in-Law's Tantrum
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What do you do when your maid of honor says yes to the role… and then acts like your wedding is the last thing she wants to talk about?
This week, I’m reacting to a story from a bride whose best friend slowly checked out of wedding planning, while another bridesmaid stepped up and became the support person she desperately needed.
Then we’re diving back into the mother-in-law seating chart saga, where a simple table assignment spirals into family drama, emotional manipulation, and threats that had me asking… are we really doing all this over a seating chart?
From friendship disappointments to wedding power struggles, we’re talking about boundaries, expectations, and protecting your peace when other people try to make your wedding all about them.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- The Maid of Honor Who Checked Out – A bride notices her best friend becoming increasingly distant throughout wedding planning and wonders if it’s time to remove her from the role.
- The Birthday Cake That Said Everything – What should have been a simple birthday request becomes a painful reminder that expectations and effort aren’t always aligned in friendships.
- A Bridesmaid Steps Up – Another member of the bridal party immediately jumps into action, planning a dream bachelorette after seeing the bride struggling alone.
- Should You Demote Your Maid of Honor? – We discuss how to navigate difficult conversations while preserving important friendships.
- The Seating Chart Showdown Continues – A follow-up story reveals even more chaos as a mother-in-law demands complete control over wedding seating arrangements.
- Threats, Tantrums, and Manipulation – Family tensions escalate when the mother-in-law threatens to cut off her son and withdraw support over table assignments.
- Why Boundaries Matter Before Marriage – I explain why wedding planning often reveals relationship dynamics that will continue long after the ceremony.
- Wedding Hot Takes – From guest list debates to family invitations and partner loyalty, I share my unfiltered opinions on common wedding controversies.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “If someone has to threaten you to get their way, the problem isn’t the seating chart.”
- “You can love someone deeply and still stop carrying responsibilities they refuse to carry themselves.”
- “Being family doesn’t give anyone unlimited access to your boundaries.”
- “A wedding invitation should come from love, not guilt.”
- “If your expectations keep getting smaller and they’re still not being met, it’s time for an honest conversation.”
- “People show you who they are when they don’t get their way. Pay attention.”
- “Protecting your peace isn’t selfish. It’s necessary, especially on your wedding day.”
- “If you give them an inch, they will take a mile.”
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Christa Innis: Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Here Comes the Drama. I’m your host, Christa Innis, and I hope I sound better this week. I know each week will sound a little bit better. If you’re new here, I moved about a month ago, and I’m working on making my office/recording studio a little less echoey and a little more podcasty.
so I am making small changes every single week. If you are watching the video, you can see I have shelves now behind me, which doesn’t really help much, but I did add this little, like, felt mouse pad thing in front of me, so I think that should help a little bit. I have a tree coming. I have a chair coming, and I’m gonna add wood panels, with some maybe cork boards or something.
so I’m hoping you guys can hear me okay. I know it’s really annoying when you can hear, like, an echo, so hopefully that doesn’t stop you from listening. I appreciate all the feedback. It’s been super, super helpful. Just trying to figure out what works right now. if you guys do watch my skits regularly, you, you will notice I do film in a bedroom still because…
I shouldn’t say still. I used to film in a bathroom. So I film in a bedroom now because, It’s a lot, the sound is way better ’cause there’s a couch in there. It’s absorbing the sound way better. Here, I have a window with, no blinds yet, and then my French doors, so I feel like there’s just a lot of echo.
However, this is the best setup for filming right now. a lot of things we’re figuring out, but d- it doesn’t matter. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t matter. I just hope you guys can hear me okay. Always open to feedback, so just hopefully this is a little bit better. I’m also trying out this new microphone.
It feels funny kinda holding it, but, baby steps. Baby steps. like I said, I will have a chair, so I hope to film in a different part of the room for a podcast. and yeah, hopefully that works. Okay, starting off, I just wanna read this week’s, review. It says, “Love this podcast. Got hooked on Christa’s skits on Instagram and was so excited when I found her podcast.
Perfect for long drives.” Thank you for your kind review. Again, of course, if you are loving the podcast, please share it w- with a friend. Please leave a review. It really helps the word get out and more people enjoy these wild, drama-filled stories. Okay, let’s get started. Someone sent me a long wedding dilemma today, so let’s read it together and see what advice I can give.
And I would like to just say it is solicited, because you did ask for it, but I’m just giving it from my own personal, experience. Take what parts of it you would like and leave the rest.
The Maid of Honor Who Checked Out
Okay, this says, “Hi, Christa. I am getting married in October, and I think I’m at my wit’s end with this situation. My fiance and I got engaged a few years ago,
And I asked my best friend to be my maid of honor immediately. She said yes. Well, we had to postpone due to financial reasons, and finally got back into planning last year. The entire process, I feel like she has withdrawn more and more. It’s at the point where I don’t feel like I can bring up the wedding around her without it getting dismissed, subject changed, or otherwise glossed over.
Like, she has no interest in talking about it, and when we do talk about it, it feels superficial. I don’t wanna force her into a role that feels like she no longer wants, but don’t know how to approach the topic with her. The most she’s even discussed it with me recently is just mentioning the kinds of bridesmaids gifts she got at other weddings and what I might be doing.
That’s interesting. That’s very interesting to me that she doesn’t bring up how she can help with the wedding, but is just bringing up what she’s gotten as gifts being in weddings. again, like every wedding is different, so I do think it’s really important to communicate. But let’s see what else she asked.
The Birthday Cake That Said Everything
I sent the exact cake, a $25 to $30 Walmart cake, to her months in advance when I first mentioned it to her.
She also alluded to not having a wedding party or having a very small one when she gets married, always implying I would not have a role. Oh, that’s interesting. This is your best friend. Recently, I had a birthday celebration with her and a few friends. All I asked for my birthday was to not have to order my own cake.
I sent the exact $25 to $30 Walmart cake to her in months in advance when I first mentioned it to her. The cake was meant to be heart-shaped in pink and black with a pun written on it. I didn’t want gifts or anything. I told her I even pay for the cake or order it myself if she couldn’t or just didn’t want to.
The cake was important to me as a milestone of sorts and first time even really celebrating my birthday in years. Important context, my birthday falls on a holiday weekend where a lot of people buy cakes, so it’s important to order my cake way ahead of time. The week leading up to the party, she asked me what flavor of cake I wanted.
This made me a bit apprehensive, but I told her the flavor and offered to pay for it. On the day of the celebration, she picked me up and told me I can’t be disappointed about my cake because she’s really tired and it was hard to order one because of the holiday, so I already felt crushed. We get to the restaurant and she pulls out a cake.
It’s a small, white, round cake like you’d get from the bakery shelf and a few cupcakes. No writing on it at all. I felt really hurt. Initially, she was supposed to plan my bachelorette, but even trying to talk to her about it always gets kicked down the road. I even downgraded everything I originally wanted.
The Bridesmaid Who Stepped Up
I wanted a weekend stay at a cabin or a hotel and downgraded to an evening at her house to try to accommodate her and make it less stressful. After the birthday party incident, another bridesmaid reached out and asked about my bachelorette. I broke down and told her about the cake, feeling like I was burdening my maid of honor.
She immediately said she wanted to help plan it and take it off my hands immediately. Within hours, this bridesmaid had something booked, arranged for the others to take off time, and even asked me out to lunch to ask my ideas for my dream bachelorette. Wow. I told her everything while still insisting I didn’t need anything huge and she told me she had it all handled.
My maid of honor did not seem put off when she reached out about the dates and took it in stride. I’m incredibly grateful for that friend that stepped up when she didn’t have to. This brings me to my dilemma. ” I don’t wanna take advantage of the friend that is stepping up or make her feel unappreciated.
I also don’t wanna burn down a friendship with my maid of honor and still want her at my wedding. How should I handle this situation? Do I keep her as maid of honor in title but not responsibility? How do I talk to her about any of this? Thank you for your advice.” Okay. This is one of those situations where There’s definitely some hidden feelings.
Reading this through, it sounds like very clearly to me as an outsider, this maid of honor wants no part in this wedding. Whether or not she has the time, the money, you know, any of that, I shouldn’t say besides the point, it does matter, the fact of the matter is she’s not communicating it to you.
The fact that she mentions that she was very tired so don’t be disappointed in the cake lets me know that she’s kinda hinting at, “I’ve got a lot going on, and your wedding is kind of last priority.” And not saying it should be the first priority, because I always tell everyone, people’s lives should not stop for your wedding, right?
But it sounds to me like you’ve been very communicative with her about what you’re expecting, what you need, what you want. I mean, you pretty much wrote out exactly what you wanted for a cake, and it was the complete opposite. I would be disappointed in that, I think. when you have these expectations and you’re very clear about it.
You’re like, “I just don’t wanna purchase it myself. I’ll give you the money. This is exactly what I want.” And she did not do that. So to expect her to do anything else for the wedding, I would completely take that off my list. I would not expect it. So the main dilemma here is this other friend comes in, and she’s like, “Let me handle everything.
Stop worrying about it. I wanna do this for you.” without a even pause, she has everything planned for you, everything that you wanted, and really takes into consideration what you want specifically, and making it true to you, right? So this reads clear for me. you’re going to have a conversation with your maid of honor, and you’re gonna say, ” I really value our friendship.
Obviously, I would not have asked you to be my maid of honor in the first place if I didn’t. However, I can see there’s a lot going on. I understand my wedding’s not the most important thing. You have a lot of things going on right now, so I would like to kindly ask you just to step down as maid of honor.
I still want you as a bridesmaid. I still want you to be there and be a part of as many things as you would like. but for the time being, I just… Let me help you,” kind of thing. I think that’s the best way to go about it, because not saying the other friend necessarily deserves or needs to be maid of honor.
Some people just really wanna help and don’t care about the title. I’ve been a part of a lot of weddings where I was not maid of honor, but I did more than the maid of honor, just because I love being a part of weddings. Like, please don’t give me the title. Like, I was not asking for it. I did not want the title.
I just love being crafty. I love being hands-on, like helping where I need to. So, that’s your first situation though. I would just say to talk to her. Ask yourself what is most important to you. Is it that she has the title? Are you worried about ruining the friendship? Do you think she’d be offended by this?
Because I think a friend that you can have a honest conversation with, and you have a long running, history, she’s not going to be offended. She’ll kind of maybe say thank you. so yeah, I would say first and foremost, just be really honest with her about everything. Say, “This is how I feel.
I know there’s been some kinda disconnect. I don’t want this to affect our friendship.” and then include her in as much as she wants, but then this way you’re also not feeling like, oh, she’s maid of honor, she’s up here, I have to, ask her for all this help. I have to rely on her. Just do your thing, and if she’s there, she’s there.
Now ask yourself, would you like to promote the other, friend to a maid of honor? Is that important to you? Are you that close to this friend? There’s also no rule saying you have to have one maid of honor. If this friend is wanting to do it just as a bridesmaid, then let her do it. You don’t necessarily have to have a maid of honor unless you want that spot.
Like, maybe you really want a maid of honor speech. Maybe you really want a maid of honor to be there while you’re getting your hair done. You know, like, whatever that looks like for your support person, then maybe sit down with this person and say, ” I’m so grateful for how you stepped up, and I would want to know if you would be my maid of honor.”
Now, how close are those friends? How are they going to react? that could cause tension. I’m not gonna say it won’t, because sometimes people get competitive. People get odd about things like that. are they also friends? so I think it’s just important to ask yourself what you want in this situation, and it’s really hard, but it just sounds like you are…
I mean, reading this story, you care so deeply for your friend. You don’t wanna put too much on her. You understand, you know, she’s got a lot going on. You wanna make things less stressful. So you keep lowering yourself and your expectations to meet hers, and it’s still not working, right? You started here, and you’re like, “Okay, I’ll…
maybe we’ll do this. Okay, maybe we’ll do this. Okay, let’s bring it down here,” and she’s still not able to meet you. So ask yourself in this situation, what do I want? What’s important to me? Is the title important? Is her helping me important? Is her being my lifelong friend important? Or am I kinda realizing through this that I’ve been there for her more than she has been there for me?
so that’s what I would do. Reading this out loud, I’m like, okay, it’s clear to me that this one friend, the maid of honor, original maid of honor, is not valuing it as much. And again, whether that’s right or wrong, I can’t really say, because- People’s lives don’t stop. Maybe she’s really stressed at work.
Maybe she has kids and there’s a lot going on with her kids right now. we don’t know, right? And so I don’t think she’s a bad person. I think a lot of people, when they get put in this situation of being a maid of honor or bridesmaid, they get very overwhelmed. They wanna do it right, but maybe they’re a procrastinator, so they wait till the last minute and they’re like, “Oh my gosh, I dropped the ball.”
and we all have different expectations. Maybe you have high expectations and she feels like she can’t meet them. Not saying you do, it’s just important to hear and understand all sides. So that’s what I would personally do, talk to her and say like, you mean so much to me. I still really want you to be a part of this wedding, that’s why I originally asked you to be my maid of honor.
But I can see it’s a lot for you, and don’t take this the wrong way, please still be a part of my special day. I just wanna kinda take, the pressure off you.” So that’s what I would do. I hope that helps. If you have any follow-up questions or things that happen, feel free to write in again.
And again, if you guys are listening and you are going through a similar situation or any kind of wedding, engagement, proposal, family situation, feel free to write in. Again, I’m not a professional in this area, I’m just gonna give my own personal advice, and see it through my own lens. So you can email me, hello@christainnis.com and I’m happy to help.
I keep looking at my microphone because this one, when it dies, it just dies, and there’s like, no like, warning light or anything. So there’s been times I record and I go back to watch the video and I’m like, “Eh,” half of it you can’t hear the sound.
Hot Takes in Family Boundaries
Anyway, okay, before we get into our main story submission, let’s do a couple of hot takes.
Okay, parents who aren’t paying don’t get a say in the guest list I agree. That sounds like a question. I agree, but I also don’t think if they’re paying, they necessarily, you know, get a say. I think it also has to do with respect. I think as the bride and groom or as the couple getting married, who you want to allow in is up to you.
if you have parents that maybe you don’t get along with, you’re not very close with, that doesn’t mean they, just because they’re your parents or just because they’re paying, that they get a say in your guest list. I think if you’re like, “Oh, I love my parents, they love me, we’re involved in each other’s lives,” then I absolutely want them to have their friends and, family, you know, here.
So there’s a lot of nuance to that statement. Okay, just because they’re family doesn’t mean they deserve an invite. Yeah, 100%. If your parent is causing stress, you are allowed to set boundaries, even on your wedding day, especially on your wedding day. Yeah, I think that’s where you have to start sometimes.
Sometimes for, like, especially young couples where this is their first, like, thing out of the house where they’re, like, stepping out onto their own, this is the moment where you have to set boundaries, and I think that’s why there’s a lot of tension because these parents still see their kids as, like, babies, as, like, infants, as, like, a part of them, and it’s like, no, they’re, like, in their 20s or, you know, whatever.
and so I think that’s when you have to really, you know, say, like, “No, this is ours and this is not what we want.” If your fiance won’t stand up to their parents before the wedding, they won’t after either. I just said this not that long ago. S- 100%. If they are not willing to back you up or to be your voice or to stand up with you before the wedding, they sure as hell will not after.
So think about that. If inviting people out of guilt ruins your wedding vibe. I wouldn’t say necessarily ruins your wedding vibe, but it just kind of takes away from your special day. Like, it just, you should never feel guilty and that’s why you’re inviting somebody. You want to invite people that truly matter to you and that support you and love you.
so yeah, if you just start inviting people and saying yes to people just because you feel guilty, it’s not gonna work.
okay. But they invited us to theirs is not a good reason. I agree. Just because you were invited to someone’s wedding doesn’t mean you need to invite them to yours. there’s different seasons, right? What do they say for friendships? It’s a reason, a season, or a lifetime. So maybe during that time you guys were really close and that’s why you were invited to theirs, and then now you guys have kinda drifted away.
It’s okay. You don’t have to. Same for having someone in your wedding. You might have been in someone’s wedding, and then when time came for your wedding, you just weren’t as close or you’re just like, “Well, … Maybe they value me that way, but, like, we’re just … I don’t see them in the same light.”
okay, last one, “Weddings expose family dynamics more than a holiday ever will.” Ooh, I agree with that because, it’s like holidays, yes, they bring out a lot, but I think sometimes around holidays, like, you tend to gather towards the people, like, that you want to see. Weddings, people tend to invite more people that they don’t typically see on holidays, which is a weird concept.
but I know, like, a lot more extended family were invited to our wedding and other weddings I’ve been to that you don’t see on regular holidays. So I 100% agree with that.
The Mother-in-Law Seating Chart Meltdown
Okay, here we go. The Wedding Story submission. Now, this is important, okay? On the episode with Lauren Louder, which was episode 72 last week, okay, so if you’d missed last week’s episode, you might wanna go back, otherwise we will play a little clip for you right here.
this is the continuation of it. So she had asked for some advice on the mother-in-law acting a certain way, where the mother-in-law wanted the seating chart a certain way, she wanted certain people invited at her table, and it really escalated. It turned into this whole thing because it was not the way she wanted.
So we gave our advice, and now there’s a follow-up. There’s a part two. So here’s the little clip. so I’ll play you a little clip from last week, otherwise go back to last week’s episode with Lauren Louder, from Burnout Teachers, and then I’ll join you and we’ll start part two All right, guys. Here is the follow-up from last week’s episode.
Okay, more details because I really need help. I was forced to invite a neighbor of my mother-in-law’s mom. What? Okay, so your Partner’s grandma’s neighbor. Okay. This neighbor, let’s call her Rose, is somehow a distant relative, but I have never met her before.
She was added to the guest list by my mother-in-law very late, and I forgot to include her on the official list. Because of that, I had to order more invitations since only a mailed invite would be acceptable. Okay, so I’m guessing she’s older, so they’re like, “You can’t do the digital one. You need a special one sent to her house.”
I suggested just giving Rose my mother-in-law’s invite, but that wasn’t an option. The 15 extra invites ended up costing half the price of the original 50 because there was no sale going on this time. No, I, I would never just order, like, extra 15. Maybe my original I ordered extra, but if they’re done, they’re done, or I will take a picture and I will print it out myself at, like, Walgreens.
Sorry. Maybe I’m cheap But she got a peek at their seating chart and was not happy about it, and she said, basically it was, like, her brother and sister were not at her table because they wanted to combine the parents together, so, like, the bride’s parents and the groom’s parents at one table.
Okay? So at her table, I placed her brother and his wife, her sister and her husband, my father-in-law’s sister and her friend, and my father-in-law’s brother and his wife. At the table right next to them, I placed my mother-in-law’s mom, and her brother, and his wife, and my father-in-law’s friends. Okay, my father-in-law’s parents, Rose and her daughter.
I’m trying to, like, picture this, you guys. This is a lot of people. And my father-in-law’s nephew, and his wife, and two children. I thought this setup made sense. It keeps people seated with those they know a while those they know while still integrating both sides of the family. For context, my fiance really cares about having one big family photo with both sides of the family together, rather than separating everyone.
However, my mother-in-law is now demanding that I switch the tables. She wants me to move her mom, brother, and his wife to her table, and remove my father-in-law’s family members from it. Oh my gosh. She’s completely ignoring the fact that this would separate her own mother from Rose. So she just wants to take the one person…
Oh, my gosh. I offered a compromise. Her table can be entirely her side of the family, and my father-in-law’s family could move to the next table. I also explained that I’m uncomfortable placing Rose and her daughter right next to our sweetheart table since I’ve never even met them. Yeah, that would be weird for me.
Despite this, my mother-in-law has been throwing a full tantrum for the past 24 hours since seeing the seating chart. She is demanding that her table be filled exactly how she wants it. The tantrum thing, the tantrum thing, you guys. She has been emotionally manipulating my fiance, and now my father-in-law has called him, yelled at him, and told him that I need to call him.
No. We said this before last time, your fiance needs to be the person that talks to them. They cannot be yelling at you saying, “You did this,” and, “You’re doing this wrong.” This is not up to you. You need to let him handle it. Like, you guys can work together, but if he, is just, like, step-battling out and, like, having you deal with them directly, that’s, like, a red flag, which I don’t see him doing What’s frustrating is that none of them have ever come to me directly with issues, even though I’m the one doing all the planning and putting in the time, effort, and care into every detail of this wedding.
A Wedding Ultimatum Over a Table Assignment
She refuses to accept my compromise, and claims if I don’t change the seating it will ruin her relationship with her mom and brother because they will feel slighted. This is so odd to me because your relationship must already be so tarnished with them that if seeing them at one other table, like next to you, we’re not even talking like in a different room.
They’re at a table next to you. If that will tarnish your relationship, it’s already doomed. Like, why are you putting the future of your relationship with your mother and your brother on your future daughter-in-law? Like, that’s not fair. That’s not fair to her. I feel like if I give in, I’m teaching her that she can throw a tantrum and get whatever she wants for the rest of her life.
At the same time, I understand that this behavior is likely comes from her own upbringing, so I do feel some empathy for her. See? I’m an empathetic person too, and let me tell you, it holds me back sometimes because you always try to see the other person’s point of view. And I’m not saying it’s bad to be empathetic because, like I said, I tend to be very empathetic.
it’s hard sometimes, right? But here’s the thing, if you’re always thinking about the other person before yourself, you are gonna always be in these predicaments. And it’s that common phrase of if you give them an inch, they will take a mile, and this kind of person will absolutely do that. Now, I do think there are some things for a wedding where at the end of the day, does it really matter?
Like, okay, whatever, we’re gonna move the tables around. Sure, fine. But if as you’re doing it and you’re thinking about it and like, “That doesn’t make sense. No, I don’t wanna do that for my wedding,” don’t do it, ‘ cause yes, absolutely, if you give her this little bit and give her that control, she is gonna come back and go 10 times harder.
” Well, okay, well, now I need this. Okay, well, actually, I showed my mom the seating chart and she doesn’t like this, so now we have to go fix it back.” So I can see, I could literally see her mom or the mom coming back and wanting a new change after this. I even offered to personally explain the seating chart to her mom and brother so they know my mother-in-law had no involvement in it.
I just don’t know what to do. My in-laws were supposed to pay for the rehearsal dinner and a post-wedding brunch, which was already a fight, and they were supposed to watch our 14-month-old puppy during our two-week honeymoon. But now she has threatened to cut off my fiancé after the wedding and refuses to dog-sit.
Okay.
Anyone that refuses or threatens by saying they’re gonna cut you off because of a seating chart, no. No. we’re not giving this person what they want, ‘ cause this is a toddler. they are throwing a toddler tantrum. ” If you don’t give me what I want, I’m never talking to you again because you’re a big meanie.”
Okay Okay. Then don’t. Like, what? And I get, like, your husband, or your, soon-to-be husband is now, like, kind of in the middle of it, but it’s his parents, so he has to be that voice of reason, because they’re just gonna point at you and say, “Well, she did this, she said this.” So he needs to be the one that says, ” I did this with her.
We worked on this together. This was really hard. This made the most sense. You’re literally gonna be five feet away from your mom. It will be okay. I will talk to Grandma myself,” and just do it. Grandma might not even care. Grandma … You know what? Grandma is probably just happy to be there. The brother might just ha- be happy to be there.
Again, if them sitting at one table over is going to ruin your entire relationship with them, you already do not have a good relationship with them, and that is not for your daughter-in-law to take the blame for. Come on. And the fact that they’re already, like, threatening to not help with the puppy or cut the son off after, nah.
Over a seating chart? Really? Come on. You’re not even at the table that long. You eat and you go dance or whatever. I mean, she probably doesn’t dance. She probably just mopes, but you know what I’m saying? People move after you eat. It’s not that big of a deal. ” I’m honestly at a loss. I’ve already offered a compromise that requires me to redo large part of the seating chart, and it’s still not enough, because it’s not exactly what she wants.
I’m trying to set a boundary without completely destroying my fiance’s relationship with his parents, but I don’t know how to move forward.” First and foremost, you would not be ruining the relationship, it’s her. You are not doing anything to ruin this relationship. It is 100% on her. She’s making the choice to make this about her.
She’s making the choice to threaten. She is making the choice to throw this tantrum. It’s not you. This is your wedding with your partner, with your soon-to-be husband. You guys put together the seating chart. This is what made the most sense for you. And if she had come to you and was nicely like, “Hey, I just have a question.
Like, I saw the seating chart while I was dog sitting. Sorry, it fell out. Ugh. Okay. and I have a question, because I really wanted my mom and my brother at my table. Like, it would really mean a lot to me,” I bet you, you would be way more likely to move things around and get her in there. But because she’s acting like this, and maybe it’s spiteful
I have a tendency to be a little spiteful, I’ll admit it. But if someone came to me and said, “You need to do this, or I will never talk to you again,” I’d be like, ” Okay, don’t threaten me with a good time.” Because she’s literally saying, ” Do what I want- Or else. And I don’t, I don’t F with people like that.feeling a little sassy today.
So that’s my advice for this. I know you need a lot of advice, and we’re gonna see if We have more, another part to this, maybe another update coming soon. But I really think you need to keep your foot down because at the end of the day, like you said, you have two different tables. There’s a lot of family to include and put together.
You have mother-in-law’s family, father-in-law’s family. and it’s her attitude about the whole thing. Like, literally, if she would’ve just come in and said, ” Hey, would you mind? Is there any possible way you could do this?” Instead of threatening. And if I remember correctly, in the first part that you sent to us, she already was very difficult.
She already had an attitude. She already had tantrums. This is someone that wants to have control. oh, and she said the thing about her baby boy, and you’re taking my baby boy away from me like, icky, no, gross. So that’s what I have to say about that. I hope that helps, and send me an update because we gotta know how this all plays out.
Again, tell your fiance, soon-to-be husband, he needs to be the voice to his mother because you’re gonna… Either way, they’re gonna paint you the villain. And so he needs to be on the same page as you, and he needs to set, Lay down the law, okay? Oh, gosh, I am, like, riled up from that.
All right. Here we go. Confession time. Let’s get to confessions. Hopefully the echo was okay during this episode. You guys can let me know. Like I said, I’ve got some more things coming for the office, so it should sound better. Soon I will have, like, a little, like, dedicated, podcast area of this room, so hopefully it works.
I’ll also be adding blinds, which will absorb things and all that good stuff. Okay, so this says, “Confession time. This week we ask, who caused you the most stress during your wedding planning?” This person said, “COVID.” I can only imagine. I know a lot of people that were supposed to get married in 2020, like, during the height of COVID, and had to cancel, postpone.
There were wedding venue issues. It was very stressful. Person said, “A bridesmaid with sudden drama.” ” Does groomzilla and my mother count?” ” Mother-in-law.” ” Hubby’s best female friend who was also sister of the photographer. Go figure.” Gonna need more to that story. ” My dad asking me 30 seconds before walking down the aisle if I was sure I wanted to do this.”
No better time than right now. ” My husband.” ” My mom.” These are short, so I’m just gonna read them all. ” My mother.” “DJ.” The DJ? The DJ. Tell me more. Tell me more. ” My niece being drunk and fighting everyone. It was so embarrassing.” No. Why are we fighting people, guys? Come on. ” The bride.” Who wrote that? ” My new husband.”
“Okay, my mother got roped into spending $1,000 last minute because she didn’t plan right. Okay. my father-in-law’s friends. Gonna need more to that story, too. All right I’m thinking about my own wedding, and honestly, I don’t think anyone caused … I don’t … I feel very lucky reading these stories. I don’t think anyone caused me that, like, stress, and I’m not just saying that, because I was like da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.
Like, if anything, it would be, like, not hearing from a vendor, but, like, for the most part, all of our vendors were, like, pretty spot on, so nothing to worry about. All right, guys, that’s all I have for this week. Thanks for hanging out with me, and I will see you next time. Bye now.
Burnt Out Teachers, Glass in the Cake, and Seating Chart Wars with Lauren Lowder
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“Imagine biting into a wedding cake… and hearing a crunch.” 😳
This week, Christa is joined by Lauren Lowder from Burnt Out Teachers, and somehow the conversation goes from classroom chaos to one of the most horrifying wedding stories imaginable. From a painfully awkward best man speech to a wedding cake that allegedly had shattered glass inside of it, this episode unlocks an entirely new fear.
Christa and Lauren also react to a listener submission about a future mother-in-law spiraling over a seating chart and threatening to cut off her own son before the wedding. Together, they unpack toxic family dynamics, emotional manipulation, boundaries, and why some people treat weddings like emotional warfare instead of celebrations.
Plus, Lauren opens up about her viral teacher skits, the realities of burnout, and how humor and storytelling can help people feel seen and validated. If you love messy family drama, awkward wedding moments, and conversations that feel like gossiping with your funniest friend, this episode is for you.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- A Viral Teacher Journey – Lauren shares how leaving the classroom led her to creating Burnt Out Teachers and building a huge online community through relatable teacher stories and skits.
- The Evolution of Miss Bunker – What started as a joke character turned into the chaotic teacher icon people now fully root for online.
- The Most Painfully Awkward Best Man Speech Ever – A wedding speech goes completely off the rails when the best man drags out a joke so long the entire room falls silent.
- The Wedding Cake Horror Story – Guests unknowingly eat cake that allegedly contained shattered glass, creating instant panic at the reception.
- Toxic MIL Seating Chart Drama – A future mother-in-law threatens to cut off her own son over where she’s seated at the wedding reception.
- Boundaries, Burnout, and Difficult Parents – Lauren opens up about the emotional reality of teaching and why so many educators feel unable to set boundaries.
- The Internet vs. Reality – Christa and Lauren discuss why social media storytelling can validate people’s experiences while also opening up important conversations.
- Wedding Confessions & Hot Takes – The episode wraps with listener confessions involving awkward speeches, uncomfortable bridesmaid dresses, and parents turning weddings into advertisements.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “You can say, ‘Hey, is there any way this could work?’ without threatening to never talk to your son again.” – Christa Innis
- “At a wedding, you’re sitting down eating for such a short period of time. Does it really matter that much?” – Christa Innis
- “Someone like this, you can’t really barter with. If they don’t get their way, they’re gonna find something to be upset about.” – Christa Innis
- “I feel like social media opens people’s eyes to conversations they didn’t even realize were happening.” – Christa Innis
- “I literally would’ve convinced myself I ate glass and needed to go to the ER.” – Christa Innis
- “I say the outrageous things teachers wish they could actually say out loud.” – Lauren Lowder
- “The cake was full of shattered glass. FULL of shattered glass.” – Lauren Lowder
- “Disowning your kid over where you’re sitting at their wedding is psychotic behavior.” – Lauren Lowder
- “Someone who has no boundaries will continue showing they have no boundaries the more you explain yourself.” – Lauren Lowder
- “I think weirdness in the classroom is fun. Kids should see their teachers laugh.” – Lauren Lowder
*This conversation is for entertainment and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Please seek a licensed professional for your specific situation.
About Lauren
Lauren Lowder is a creator, former teacher, and the voice behind Burnt Out Teachers, where she brings the chaos, frustration, and hilarity of classroom life to the internet through viral storytelling and character-driven skits. Her content shines a light on burnout, difficult parents, toxic work dynamics, and the realities many teachers quietly deal with every day.
After leaving the classroom and building her own tutoring business, Lauren now helps other burnt out teachers create more freedom and flexibility in their lives. Through humor and storytelling rooted in real experiences, she creates content that helps people feel seen, validated, and understood.
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Christa Innis: Hi, Lauren. Thanks for being here.
Lauren Lowder: Thanks for having me.
Christa Innis: I’m so excited to talk to you because I have seen your, skits so long on social media, and I think you’re hilarious. And I think, like- Thank you … the characters that you portray are very funny. So before I get into all that- Thank you … and for anyone that’s watching, I was just saying this to Lauren before, like, I’m trying a new camera, so if I keep looking down, I’m here.
I’m just trying to figure out where my eyes need to go. And same
Lauren Lowder: with, and same with me. It’s here, but I’m here, so we’re all over the place, and that’s totally fine. We’re in it together.
Christa Innis: Yeah. As long as you can hear us and see us, we’re good. Yes … so can you just tell everyone a little bit about yourself?
And then we’re gonna kinda get into all the things.
Burnt Out Teachers & Saying What Everyone’s Thinking
Lauren Lowder: Yeah. So I used to be a teacher. I taught kindergarten, first, and third. And I got to the point where there was so much going on in the classroom, like I know so many teachers, that are still in the trenches nowadays know exactly what I’m talking about.
I got to the point where I was like, “I can’t do this for, 25, 27 more years.” so I started a tutoring business, and I was able to leave the classroom six months later after starting my tutoring business and go full-time with that. And, after that, I built an online course to teach other teachers how to start a tutoring business like I did, and free up their lives and their schedules and make more money.
And, After that, after I built the online course, I got onto social media to kind of talk about my tutoring journey and give helpful tips and tricks, and talk about my course that I’d built. and one day out of the blue, I made a funny, skit type, video on, demands from principals and how funny it would be if a teacher just said no.
it was funny ’cause I was getting ready to give up social media altogether. I just didn’t feel like it was working orI just didn’t think it was doing really well. And that was my first viral video, and I was like, “Okay, I’ll stick around.”
and so then I started having teachers send me their stories. So I would throw in a, couple other skits that had happened to me, true stories. getting called out for, leaving one minute after contract time or, getting in trouble for stupid things. And teachers were really relating to that.
And after a few more of those skits went out, like I said, teachers had started sending me their stories, and just crazy things out there. And so I decided to use the platform I was building to tell, to give people a look behind the curtain into what it really is like as a teacher. And so while I s- I did still talk about my tutoring journey, my social media has kind of just transformed into now telling unbelievable, funny, crazy teacher stories, that are shared with me, and they’re all true.
And so that’s what I do now.
Christa Innis: I love that. I feel like we’re, like, in similar spaces, but different, like, areas. Like, I do more wedding events and you do school, like, teaching. Yes. And I think it really, like you said, like, opens up the curtain to kind of show what really goes on. Yeah. Because people are only, seeing one side of it.
Whether they have kids in school or their last memory was when they were in school, I think it’s really important to see all sides of it. And as we all know, teachers have a very hard time. Mm-hmm. And they’re put in very not so great situations. Yes. Yeah … so when you read these stories back, are you, like, kind of, like, brought back to where you were when you were teaching and kind of like, “Oh my gosh, I remember dealing with that” or, do you kind of like, you’re kind of like, “Okay, I’m glad I kind of moved on from that kind of area in my life”?
Lauren Lowder: Yes. But when I read those stories, a part of me will always be taken back to those feelings of, You know, in a classroom sometimes it can feel like, the way that a school is run, it can kind of feel like customer’s always right mentality, where it’s like the parents are the customers and the families are the customers.
And, Yeah, I think it brings me back to the anxieties of those feelings where you can’t really speak your mind, and you can’t really set boundaries with people who aren’t willing to have boundaries set with them. Mm-hmm. And, so I think what I do is I say the outrageous things. I say the out-of-pocket responses that these teachers wish that they could say, to parents to give them that kind of outlet.
Like, “Man, I’m really glad she said… I can’t say that, but I’m really glad she did.” Mm-hmm. so I, do think I do that. I do that for my past self that couldn’t say those things, because I really struggled in those situations and I do that for the people that are still there now, so.
Christa Innis: It’s like that validation.
And I feel like, like you said, you get so many stories sent in to you. You’ve probably become this like safe space now for people to vent about, like, a situation that happened, whether they were a parent, a student, a teacher, or, you know, dealt with something. And you are teaching respectful boundaries, too.
Because I think so many times in those scenarios- Mm-hmm … you’re like, ” How can I show a boundary and also be respectful, do my job?” And so I think it’s the impact you’re making, too. Because of course it’s, like, entertaining, but it’s also impacting people.
Meet Miss Bunker: From Villain to Icon
Lauren Lowder: Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I feel so honored. Whenever someone shares their story with me, I, just feel really honored, that they felt that they could do that and to have that space for them to be able to do that.
And yeah, I do get a lot, like you said, a lot of people just venting, too. Like, “Please don’t share this. I just needed to tell you.” … and I’m really honored to, to be able to give people that space to do that.
Okay, the character that you have That kind of, like, says it like it is. Yeah, Miss Bunker. She’s got the filter. Yes. Is that who you’re thinking of? Okay.
Christa Innis: Yes. So how did that- Yeah … was she in one of your first skits? Or did she kind of just over time, you’re like, “I need someone like this that’s just gonna, like- Cutthroat
Lauren Lowder: Yeah. So, well, it’s funny, she didn’t start out as cutthroat.
she was brought in… So let me back up a little bit. Snapchat was rolling out really funny, filters, you know? And filters became a thing within the last however many years. But anyway, they would constantly roll out with new ones, and they came out with the one that Ms. Bunker wears now.
And in my family, we were sending back that filter every day, and we were dying laughing. We just thought it was the funniest filter. And I was like, man, if I could make a character that has this filter, I just think it would be so funny. And so I kind of workshopped a little bit a new character, and wrote a skit and I filmed a skit of this new teacher coming in.
And she was super nice, but she had this crazy filter and really scared people. And after I edited it and put it together, I was kind of like, actually, this isn’t the vibe I’m wanting to give. It almost gives, like, ostracizing her or, or like- Mm … other teachers talking about this really nice teacher. I was like, that’s not the vibe I’m looking for.
so I let it rest for a little bit, and then I was telling a story someone sent in about that teacher that’s constantly raising their hand at the end of a meeting. Like, “Okay, any more questions? It’s time to go,” and that teacher is just constantly like, ” Well, have you thought about this? Well, what about that?”
And, everybody’s just pissed and wants to go home. And so I was telling that story and I was like, well, I need a fill-in. I need a character to be the one to be raising their hand, and so I justslapped the filter on this character And, people hated her. They hated her. And so then I made this…
She became reoccurring where it was like the brown-noser teacher. We all know them, and the brown-noser coworker, and always trying to suck up to the boss, and always trying to right thing. And so that was her character at first, and then throughout, the storyline and just different stories, I kind of had a moment where she just snapped and was like, ” I’m not dealing with this,”
So she’s become now a hero. She was the anti-hero, and now she’s become the hero for teachers, which I love.
Christa Innis: So. I love that. I love a story where they can come out in the end and like, make a change- Mm-hmm … and now people are, like, rooting for her, ’cause I saw, like, your merch with her, and I saw…
I was like, “That-” … “is awesome. That is so cool.” ‘Cause
Lauren Lowder: I would need to update that, by the way, because when it first came out, when sh- I first made merch for her, it said, “Don’t be a bunker,” ’cause it was like- Ugh … people know you don’t wanna be the Miss Bunker. Don’t be the suck-up.
But now it’s like, mm, people kind of wanna be her, so I’ve gotta make an adjustment to that, so.
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh my gosh, that’s so funny. And so, like, with creating these skits, do you… I know you get a lot of stories, but then do you kind of like do a mix of, like, your own creativity or, like, kind of, like, put your own, like, personal stories into it?
Or do you try to stick pretty closely with what people send over to you?
Lauren Lowder: Yeah. Well, so in the beginning, I stuck really closely to the story. And, I was kind of putting a little twist on the end of what we wish we could say, and then I started doing… I kind of have, dabbled with it as I’ve gone, but then there were timesI was doing some series.
and then there were some times where I was just writing from my own brain, and I was trying to make that clear. Like, in the caption I would say, I would always disclose, “This is a true story sent to me,” or, “Based on a true story,” or, “Inspired by a true story.” And after that, I always put in parentheses like with added flair because obviously there’s outrageous things that happen in these.
They are based on true stories, yes, but I add in some crazy details just give the story a little bit more substance. But I have dabbled. I have done some just made-up stories in my own head. and I’ve recently gone back to, in the last maybe couple months, just telling true teacher stories because I have so many that need to be told.
And, yeah, I think I just enjoy that a lot more right now, so that’s what I’ve been doing.
Christa Innis: I love that.
Lauren Lowder: What did you focus- … like, what did you teach Were you elementary school teaching, like, multiple subjects? Or what, like, grade level and subjects
were you- Oh, yes. So when I taught in the schools, I taught kindergarten, first, and third. I taught the little ones.
and then when I tutored, I taught, anywhere from K through, I think even had, like, a seventh grader one time. but mostly focused on, like, reading and math.
but I don’t tutor anymore. I do still help teachers with my course. but I don’t tutor anymore. I’m just strictly social media now.
Christa Innis: Love that. I love that.
Lauren Lowder: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: And like I said, I just feel like you’re making such a difference. I don’t know if you feel like that, but, like, I know when, like, if, for example, like, when I first started doing content, like, I had people being like, you know, the negative Nancys out there be like, “Oh, you’re just sharing toxic behavior, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and you’re just complaining.”
But then I’ve had people say the sa- opposite, and they’d be like, “No, you’re drawing, like, you’re helping people come to, like, their own boundaries, and talk, like with, like communicate better with people that are maybe crossing over boundaries and not being respectful.” Um, and so I feel like this kind of content can be really beneficial for, like, the education system.
And, you know, you would hope it would make some kind of impact. Or maybe people that are teachers right now being like, “Okay, this is how I can talk to a parent and have a c- like, communication also, or talk to the principal and ask for different things in the classroom.” Um, again- Right … I haven’t been a teacher, so I don’t, I’m sure that’s very difficult working with a higher up system where it has to be a certain way
Lauren Lowder: Yeah, yeah.
Um, also have gotten the same response. Um, I’ve gotten, you know, “Why are we just showing bad parents, and why are we just showing negative admin? There’s good admin out there, too.” And it’s, it’s like, yeah, um, and I’m really happy for teachers that, you know, have good parents and good admin and they’re in a really good space.
But for those in the trenches, it’s not like that. That’s not their reality. Mm-hmm. And just like you do, I think that you bring awareness to toxicity, dysfunctional systems, and how we can find our voice within those, and I just think that’s so important.
Christa Innis: Yeah, yeah. I love that. Um, yeah, social media is, like, such an interesting thing ’cause I feel like there’s this negative side to it, of course.
Like, and people that maybe don’t work in it or see it kind of can look down upon it. But I feel like it really- Mm-hmm … brings to light a lot of conversations that need to be had or should be had. Or, like, when you sh- showcase some kind of situation in the classroom, people will be like, “I didn’t realize that was happening,” or, “I didn’t realize teachers were spoken to like that.”
Mm-hmm. And I think it really opens up people’s eyes to things, um, in a different way, where people aren’t gonna necessarily read an article about it. They’re gonna be like, “Oh, this skit’s entertaining. Oh, wait, a teacher actually had
Lauren Lowder: this happen to them.” Yeah. Exactly. And I think some of the best comments and messages I get are when people go, “You have taught me how to not teach, treat my son’s teacher,” or, “You have taught me to be the opposite.”
And so these parents reach out to me and they’re like, “I, you know, have gone w- 100% the other way in trying to do everything that you’re not and make my, my son’s teacher’s life easier.” And that is, like, just so great to know and hear.
Red Flags, Parent DMs & Classroom Chaos
Christa Innis: I love that. Okay, so I always like to do a red light, green light with guests that come on.
And so I thought we would do- Okay … like, a teacher edition since you’re… I don’t even know if we said, your, your account is Burnt Out Teachers. Um- Yes,
Lauren Lowder: yeah …
Christa Innis: so for anyone that doesn’t follow you, they need to check it out because the skits are hilarious, but it’s also like- … a lot of, uh, like we were saying, like, you can learn a lot from it, but they’re just, they’re so well done.
So for this- Thank you … red light green light edition, we’re gonna do teacher edition. So I’m gonna read something off, and then you’re just gonna say if it’s a red light or a green light. Um, okay.
Lauren Lowder: Okay. Red light being bad, green light being good. Yes. Is there any context with… That’s it? Okay. All right.
Christa Innis: That’s it, yes. Um, parent emails at 11:59 PM expecting a reply.
Lauren Lowder: Red light.
Christa Innis: Did this happen?
Lauren Lowder: Red, red, red. This happens all the time, or on Remind they send messages, or I had a story where a teacher, um, received a Facebook message at, like, 12:00 AM. It was like, “Hey, can you help my kid with their homework?” Oh- Red light.
Immediate.
Christa Innis: See, that’s what I could not understand. It’s like, you know, when I was a kid in school, it’s like I- we didn’t have social media, right? And so, like, I think it came out when I was in college, and I’m just like… Maybe, like, late high school. Um, but I’m just like- Mm-hmm … I can’t imagine, like, having a parent find me on social media as a teacher.
I feel like that’s so, like, crossing a- So
Lauren Lowder: invasive.
Christa Innis: Yes, like please do not. I remember a college, um, professor of mine who was actually really cool and I liked her a lot. She wanted us, like, afterwards she was like, “Oh yeah, you guys can add me on, on Facebook or whatever.” And I was like, “I don’t know, I feel like this is weird.”
But she was super cool. Right,
Lauren Lowder: you gotta give it some time.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah. Give it some time. When I’m out of college years later. Um- Right … parent brings a gift at the end of the year.
Lauren Lowder: Oh, green light. Yeah. But what’s the gift? Because I will say do not bring a gift or a bag from Victoria’s Secret or some sort of sex toy for your teacher, for your son’s teacher, because that is always, always, always inappropriate.
Christa Innis: Wait, is that something-
Lauren Lowder: In that case it would be a red light, but a green light- Don’t say that’s happened … sound is great for this one.
Christa Innis: That feels like that shouldn’t have to be said. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.
Lauren Lowder: You just wouldn’t believe. Pa- teachers get these fake roses, and at the end of the day they, like, go to open it and it’s actually, like, six pairs of red underwear folded in to make it look like a rose.
And
Christa Innis: people are like, “Yeah,
Lauren Lowder: this is a
Christa Innis: great idea.” This
Lauren Lowder: stuff. This is great, yeah. It’s great.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. Mm-hmm. So don’t do that, guys. Um, a class clown who’s actually funny.
Lauren Lowder: Mm. Mm, green light. Green light, but timing depends.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lauren Lowder: It’s all about the timing. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yes. Uh, teachers having a favorite student.
Lauren Lowder: Are they mentioning it out loud or is it just an inner thought?
Um,
Christa Innis: probably just having it, like, probably just an inner thought. That’s how I would take it. Unless
Lauren Lowder: it- I mean, you’re human. You’re a human. Green light. I’m
Christa Innis: sure you kind of, yeah. I’m sure, like, as long as there’s not, like, special treatment, ’cause those were very obvious. Exactly. Like, in high school when they had favorite students you could tell, like- That’s a red light, yeah
special privileges. Yeah, all that stuff. Reusing last year’s lesson plans.
Lauren Lowder: Oh, green light. Go for it. Yes. God.
Christa Innis: Pop quizzes.
Lauren Lowder: Mm. Mm, I think if they’re used the right way and not as, like, a punishment, green light. But it just depends on the context.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lauren Lowder: Like, if you’re just trying to catch your kids. I don’t know.
I, I think it just depends. I taught the little ones, so I didn’t really do pop quizzes like that. I just think of, like, the old crotchety, you know, like-
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm … “
Lauren Lowder: Pop quiz” kind of thing. Yes. So I don’t know. I,
Christa Innis: I feel like I remember, like, a math teacher one time, like, people were, like, just extra chatty and, like, talking back, and they’re like, “Okay, we’re gonna do a pop quiz since none of you guys are listening,” and I hate…
I’m already a bad test-taker, so pop quiz- … I’m, I’m out the door. I-
Lauren Lowder: Yeah …
Christa Innis: just never meant-
Lauren Lowder: No, I get that level of frustration, though, like, trying to, trying to make, teach a lesson or, you know, corral them in some way. But, um, yeah, I think it just depends.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Um, a parent DM’ing you on social media.
Lauren Lowder: Red light.
Christa Innis: A substitute le-
Lauren Lowder: Absolutely red light.
Christa Innis: Yeah, that’s weird to me. Um, a substitute leaving a bad note about your class
Lauren Lowder: Um, yellow light. I mean, I would want my substitute to be honest with how it was. Um, obviously it’s not great to get a bad note. Like, nothing starts your day off worse when you walk in, you’ve been gone.
But, um, I think she needs to go ahead and do that. So green light. Yeah. So green light. I think she needs to do that, for sure.
Christa Innis: Communication, right?
Lauren Lowder: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Do you get a lot of substitute teacher stories sent to
Lauren Lowder: you? Um, oh, hmm. I, I’m struggling to think of some, so m- so not as many as I, not as many as I think.
I’ve had some.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lauren Lowder: But none that are, like, off the top of my head right now. I can think of a… I can think of my own story when I was in high school. Uh, we had a substitute teacher one day, and this woman pulled her chair over in front of the door and sat down in front of it and fell asleep. So no one could leave without her waking up, but she didn’t do anything, and we just, we just all hung out.
I don’t know.
Christa Innis: Oh
Lauren Lowder: my It was crazy. Yeah. Oh my
Christa Innis: gosh. That’s gotta be, like… I remember having, like, a really mean substitute teacher in, um, I think it was, like, English class in, like, high school. But then I also had, like, sympathy for her too, because she was younger. I remember her being, like, tw- in her 20s. And I, I just can only imagine, like, all these, like, high school, like, maybe some were bratty, I don’t know, coming in and, like, not listening.
And, um, and that’s just… I feel like that’s probably just a difficult situation. You don’t know the students. You- they’re… If they’re… If you catch them on a day where they’re just not listening- Exactly … and you just
Lauren Lowder: have to put the
Christa Innis: foot down or you have to do a test, like, I-
Lauren Lowder: Yeah. They don’t care. Like, it…
Substituting is not for the weak, and then also substituting high school, like, you must have a death wish because- … I could not think of anything worse. That is… And
Christa Innis: like, I remember, that just brought me back. I remember we had a substitute for my math class, and the poor… It was an older man. He fell out of his chair when he went to go sit down, and I felt- Oh,
Lauren Lowder: no.
That’s really sad … 50 feet from him.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I felt so bad. I was like- Oh … you’re already- Oh,
Lauren Lowder: no.
Christa Innis: Yeah, it was already, like, an uncomfortable scenario. Like, yeah.
Lauren Lowder: Oh, that makes me want to cry. I- That’s so sad. I know.
Christa Innis: I think he laughed it off. He, like, handled it okay, but I was just like- Yeah … oh my gosh.
Lauren Lowder: Would
Christa Innis: be, like, my nightmare.
Um-
Lauren Lowder: Oh, God. Yeah …
Christa Innis: a student calling you by your first name
Lauren Lowder: Mm-mm. Red light.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lauren Lowder: But I know in some schools, in some schools like Montessori, that’s, um, a welcome thing.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Lauren Lowder: And I can get down with that. So yellow light. I’m gonna say yellow light.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I know. And my cousins that went to school in Oklahoma, they were like, “We always called our teachers by first name.”
So they were like, that’s how they introduced themselves. And I remember- Yeah.
Lauren Lowder: Yeah. So that’s-
Christa Innis: For me, it wasn’t until, like, college. Like, professors in college would be like, like the cool ones, they’d be like, “Oh, you can call me James,” or whatever. And I’d be like, “Okay.” Yeah,
Lauren Lowder: I’m uncomfy. Yeah. I can’t do that.
Sorry, Mr. Jones. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Um, okay. Last one, and this might be putting you on the spot, so if you don’t have one, that’s okay. What would you say your most- Okay … controversial green light or red light is that people would not expect? It might not even be controversial. Mm. What’s something that’s like a, either a hot take or something in your classroom that you were like, “This is for sure-” Oh, God
“a con. This is for sure a not, not.”
Lauren Lowder: Oh my gosh. See, it’s really hard ’cause it’s been a really long time since I’ve been in the classroom. Um, I, one thing that I can think of, um things that really pushed my boundaries and buttons when I was teaching, um, was don’t walk your kid to class every day. Like, we’re trying to build and foster independence, and, you know, in April, your child does not need you to send them off into my classroom each day.
Because unfortunately, parents like that will al- still try and push, and push, and push, and then before you know it, they’re in your classroom and they’re asking you what you’re gonna do that day and what… Like, so yeah, that’s, that’s a no-go. Parties during the classroo- during the class, during the day, school day, um, no-go.
Um, and I think my green light in my classroom was, when I think back, is being silly. Like, we laughed a lot in my classroom, and, uh, but also having that good balance of, um, expectations and hard work paired with it. I just felt like it made a really good balance. But I think it’s really good to laugh and to have your kids see you laugh.
Mm-hmm. Um, and, and yeah, make them do silly things. It was so fun to get my kids to do the weirdest things. Like, we would line up for recess, and I had first graders at the time, and, um, uh, there was one day before we went out to recess, I was like, “We are not going outside until you whisper, ‘I smell like beef and cheese.'”
And so the whole line of kids just whispered it to themselves like, “What the heck?” Um, and I just- It makes me laugh still, thinking about, like, them going home and telling, “Yeah, like, Miss Liard made us whisper we smell like beef and cheese today.” So just, like, be really weird. Just be weird. I think weirdness- Yeah
in your classroom is fun, and, um, and that’s, yeah, that’s the best I can do for you for my red and green lights.
Christa Innis: No, I think that’s good. Well, ’cause I think, too, especially in first grade, like, I feel like that’s, like, still babies. Like, they’re still young. Like, have fun at school. Like, like-
Lauren Lowder: Mm-hmm …
Christa Innis: I feel like they’re gonna be in school or work the rest of their life.
Like, why not make it fun and enjoyable? Like, um-
Lauren Lowder: Mm-hmm …
Christa Innis: I remember years ago, ’cause when I was in my elementary school, and maybe it was the same for you, but, like, I don’t remember getting any, like, homework or anything like that in elementary school. But then all of a sudden it was like kindergarten, they’re coming home with, like, homework, and I was like, let’s still make it fun, you know?
Um-
Lauren Lowder: Yeah … my daughter
Christa Innis: has a-
Lauren Lowder: Yeah …
Christa Innis: few years before she’s in elementary school, but I’m, like, just interested to see, you know, how that’s kind of, you know, changed.
Lauren Lowder: I know. Yeah.
Christa Innis: But it, it’s-
Lauren Lowder: Yeah, it’ll be so interesting.
Christa Innis: Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. I f- I love that you did that because I feel like school at that age, too, it’s like it’s all about learning through, like, fun, and I feel like it should be fun for them.
Lauren Lowder: Yeah, 100%.
Christa Innis: Okay. So as we talk about, like, wedding and event stories, I know you said you had a wedding story that- You wanted to share, so let’s have at it
Lauren Lowder: Mm. I have two.
Christa Innis: Oh.
The Worst Best Man Speech in Human History
Lauren Lowder: So I don’t know what we have time for- All right … but I, I will… We- you can keep what you want. You can do whatever you need to. But, um, I have two crazy wedding stories.
I love it. And, um, the first one was we went to a wedding years ago, and the best man c- went to the front to do the speech, and his aura just gave, like, unprepared. Like, you could just tell. He didn’t have any notes. He didn’t exude confidence or, like, I’m ready to do this. And, um, he got up to the front and he said, um…
He joked about not having a speech at first, and he went to walk off and realized, like, that wasn’t gonna fly. So he awkwardly… Well, I think this was his plan the whole time. But so he went to walk off. It was so awkward. No one laughed. And he was like, “I…” He was like, “Just kidding.” And he came back up to the front and he pulled a piece of paper out of his pocket and he unraveled it, and he was like, “Nope, that’s not it,” and he tossed it to the side.
And then he reached in his other pocket and he pulled out a piece of paper and he unraveled it. And we’re all sitting here, like… You know when you, like, are just, you could just crawl out of your own skin? You’re so em- s- you have such secondhand embarrassment for someone. You just-
Christa Innis: Yeah … ugh.
Lauren Lowder: So he pulls this second piece of paper out.
He unravels it. He’s like, “Nope, that’s not it,” like, trying to be so funny. Uh, he takes his shoe off. He pulls a piece of paper out of his shoe. He unravels it. He’s like, “Hmm, that’s not it.” And then I’m tell- I’m not even kidding, okay? I’m not even kidding. He probably did this, like, four or five more times.
Christa Innis: No.
Lauren Lowder: Finally, he pulled… Yes. No. And it was like you could hear a pin drop. It was so dead silent. Um, um, so the final thing he did was he pulled a piece of paper out that was rolled behind his ear, and we were like, “This has gotta be it. This has gotta be it. This is the speech.” And he unravels it, and he was like, “Nope.
Well, uh, good luck to you guys, and wish you nothing but the best,” and walked off.
Christa Innis: Stop.
Lauren Lowder: That was it. That’s
Christa Innis: awful.
Lauren Lowder: It was dead silent. It was dead silent, and everyone was just like-
Christa Innis: Oh, he couldn’t even say like- Like- … congrats you two, like best wish? Like, did the groom or bride make a face, or the couple?
Lauren Lowder: It was so uncomfortable for everyone. They were sit- they were just like, “Eh.” Like, the kid was a loose cannon. You could just tell. It was like, uh, he, you c- you didn’t know what he was c- capable of kind of thing.
Oh- And- …
Christa Innis: my gosh …
The Wedding Cake Horror Story That Unlocked a New Fear
Lauren Lowder: yeah, so that was really, that was, that’s one that stands out to me. But this one takes the cake literally. So we were at a wedding recently, and we, uh, we, they were serving cake. It was at the point in the wedding where they’re serving cake, and, um, they were doing it where it was kind of like they were cutting the cake towards the back, and then they had a table.
They were laying the cut slices out on the table, and people were just kind of walking up, grabbing a slice, and taking it back to their table to eat. And my husband walks up to grab a piece of, of cake, and I can see him standing there waiting, um, for a piece to slide out on the table. And everything, you could see everything happening back there, and everyone had kind of halted, and there were whispers.
And they weren’t cutting any more pieces of cake. And Gabriel turned to me, my husband turns to me, um, and kind of makes a face like, “What the heck?” And I’m like, “Well, I wanted cake.” And so he comes back over to me like, “I don’t know what’s going on. They stopped cutting the cake.” So, um, one in, one in the wedding party I think grabbed a microphone and she said, “Hey, everybody.
Um, I just want to let you guys know we have paused the cake cutting for now,” um, just awkwardly. Like, “Just wanted to let you know.” And so she goes to put the mic down, and the girl like nudges her like, “No, you need to…” Like, there’s some heated, like, “You need to say blah, blah, blah.” So she like anxiously picks the mic back up and she’s like, “And, um, um, if you have a piece of cake, please stop eating it.”
Yeah. So, uh, so of course mass just like everybody’s eyes get big as saucers. People are eating it. You could hear like forks drop. Like it was so just quiet hysteria, and, um, if that’s a thing. But, um, so come to find out they had found that the cake was full of shattered glass.
Christa Innis: Ooh.
Lauren Lowder: Full of shattered glass.
Oh, my. So I don’t know if when the cake was being mixed, um, you know, the, the person doing it, something had broken, and it got swept into the cake, like into the mixer. It was a ton of glass. Oh. And so they said, we, they were… We overheard people talking, but they were like, “Yeah, the, the cake cutters were saying they were hearing the crunching- Oh
as they were cutting the pieces of cake, and they just thought it was, you know, crys- sugar crystals.”
Christa Innis: Oh,
Lauren Lowder: my. And there were women at tables next to ours who were like, “Yeah, I got a really hard crunchy piece. I just ate it.”
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh
Lauren Lowder: So, um, yeah, that was really bad, and I’ve never been so thankful that my husband missed out on a piece of cake, um-
Christa Innis: Yeah
Lauren Lowder: because… And how psycho I am, like I couldn’t have m- I couldn’t imagine having gotten a piece of that cake and eaten it. Mm-hmm. Even if there weren’t, wasn’t any glass in it, I didn’t have a piece of cake, and I was like, “Did I eat glass? Did I accidentally eat glass today?” Like, that’s how… So I can’t imagine if I had actually had a piece- Right
of the cake, because I would’ve had to go to the ER.
Christa Innis: I would’ve literally
Lauren Lowder: been like- I would’ve had to go to
Christa Innis: the ER. Yeah. I might have been Yeah … all the way. I would’ve literally been like, “Okay, I feel it in my teeth,” or something. Like-
Lauren Lowder: Yeah. …
Christa Innis: even within the water. It’s
Lauren Lowder: cutting my… It, yeah. It’s cutting up, it’s slicing up my stomach.
I can feel it. But, uh, kids were eating the cake. I mean, like so many people had already gotten a piece of the cake. I just… I guess everyone’s fine, you know? We didn’t hear anything, so.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I’m wondering, like I wanna know like more about like, like was it a bakery? Was it like someone they just knew, or like-
Lauren Lowder: I know.
I know … I don’t know …
Christa Innis: a bakery to like not double check and then send it off to a wedding. And did they have… So the cake, the cake cutters were from the bakery, or they’re part of the venue?
Lauren Lowder: Oh, that’s a good question. Um, I think they were part of the venue.
Christa Innis: They were- And that’s- … themselves. So they, which would explain why they cut.
They were like, “Oh, this is normal,” like…
Lauren Lowder: Right. Yeah, I don’t think they knew anything.
Christa Innis: That’s wild. Yeah. At least they caught it before like everyone had it, and like hopefully there were no like injuries. Oh my gosh.
Lauren Lowder: I know, I know.
Christa Innis: New fear unlocked. All right.
Lauren Lowder: Yeah. Check your food for glass, everybody. Yes. You just never know.
Christa Innis: Seriously. Oh my gosh. I’m thinking of that one scary movie where she like… This is gross, but she like thought it was an apple, but her mind tricked her and it was actually a light bulb. That’s giving like- Oh,
Lauren Lowder: what was that? … me, like, the creeps. Wait, you just, you just unlocked a memory for me.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I don’t even r- It was so long ago I saw it, but it was something where they like mess with your mind, and I remember her picking up an apple, but then it j- was like a light bulb.
And I remember watching that and being like, “Oh my gosh, that’s like the-
Lauren Lowder: Oh
Christa Innis: Yeah. Out of all the scary movies I’ve seen, that is a nightmare.
Lauren Lowder: That is a nightmare. God. All
Christa Innis: right. Well, that, those definitely take the cake. Those are some- Okay. It’s time to react to a wild story that someone sent. Um- Great … feel free to stop me at any time.
I’ll kinda pause as things happen too, and then we’ll-
Lauren Lowder: Mm-hmm …
Christa Innis: give advice if they need it. Okay.
Lauren Lowder: Okay. Here
Toxic MILs, Seating Charts & Emotional Warfare
Christa Innis: we go. “My future mother-in-law, we’ll call her Diane, has been a headache for a long time. She’s standoffish, but puts on a nice face around others. She has never liked me. When my fiance, Jake, told her he planned to propose, she cried and said I was stealing him away from her.”
Oh, God, the famous- Oh,
Lauren Lowder: gag me.
Christa Innis: Ugh. “We took her, her to look at wedding venues one day.” See, someone like that, that I knew didn’t like me, I would never bring them along. I’d be like- Why
Lauren Lowder: is she included?
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lauren Lowder: Why is she included? If
Christa Innis: you don’t like me, you don’t get to support me or be a part of this. Sorry.
Lauren Lowder: No.
Christa Innis: “She constantly criticized my dream venue. At the second venue, when we jokingly did an exaggerated waltz after being shown the dance floor, she scolded us. After that day, we stopped including her in planning. That was just the beginning- Okay … almost two years ago. In all that time, she has barely asked about the wedding unless it was about herself, her dress, her hair, her makeup, or her schedule.
Now we’re three weeks out from the wedding. She was dog sitting for us and saw the seating chart I spent hours making.” Oh,
Lauren Lowder: no. Here we go. The dreaded seating chart.
Christa Innis: Yes. Sh- I could just picture her, okay, moving here, like, moving these all around.
Lauren Lowder: Oh, God. “
Christa Innis: Her immediate reaction was to panic and call Jake demanding he made me re- he make me redo it because she didn’t like her table.”
Ugh. “When he said no, she said horrible things, threatening not to dog sit again, saying he should be ashamed, and that he’s not the son she raised.” I can, like, picture- Mm … this woman, like, ugh.
Lauren Lowder: Yeah. Oh, I know exactly what she looks like, yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. “And that she would keep up appearances until the wedding, but be done with him afterward,” over a seating chart.
That’s
Lauren Lowder: w- Disowning your kid for where you’re sitting a- at their wedding is psychotic, lady. Yeah. You’re, you’re lucky you’re even invited. Jesus.
Christa Innis: She needs to be studied. Like, this-
Lauren Lowder: Well, I mean,
Christa Innis: like, and I’ve had, like, therapists on before with similar stories, and they’re like, it’s that enmeshment where they feel like- Yes
their son is, like, literally, like, an- a limb. Like, “They will do as I say.” An
Lauren Lowder: extension of them, yes.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yep.
Lauren Lowder: Yes.
Christa Innis: And they can’t separate- Um … that they’re their own person.
Lauren Lowder: No.
Christa Innis: It’s, like, scary. Yeah. Here’s how the conversation went. Oh, wait. Um, after hearing that, I decided to text her. Oh, no, girl.
Lauren Lowder: Oh, no, that’s not good.
Not good. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Not good. I had already asked my mom and my maid of honor for advice on how to handle it, hoping to resolve things quickly and calmly. Here’s how the conversation went. Me: “Hi, Diane. Jake let me know you’re upset about the seating arrangements. I’m really sorry to hear that because I put a lot of time and care into both the layout and the chart itself.
We combined tables because Jake really values how well both families get along and wanted to feel like one big family. I made sure certain relatives were seated together and thought others would enjoy sitting with people they don’t see often. Jake and I reviewed everything together before finalizing it.
I’m disappointed this has become such an issue, and I hope everyone can still enjoy the wedding and their time together.” Okay, fair enough. That’s nice. I also
Lauren Lowder: am
Christa Innis: like- Mm-hmm … why overexplain yourself to someone like this? Like, she’s obviously not gonna-
Lauren Lowder: Don’t. Someone has no boundaries will only continue to show that they have no boundaries the more you explain.
Christa Innis: Yes, and, like, that victim that, this is her time now to be like, “I’m a victim. Let me show you how much I’m a victim.” Um, Diane, “My mother and brother will feel slighted, and honestly, my relationship with them isn’t great right now. I don’t need to make it worse.” So I’m guessing either she’s not sitting with them, I don’t know how that-
Lauren Lowder: Right, I guess it’s affected- She could be this-
that in some way.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Me, “I’m really sorry you feel that way. I put a lot of thought into making sure everyone would enjoy their tables and while still being near with each- near each other. It’s just for dinner. Everyone else will be mingling the rest of the night.” That’s the thing, too. It’s like at a wedding, you’re actually sitting down eating for such a short period, and then people bounce around, you dance.
So does it really matter?
Lauren Lowder: Right. You’re not… Yes, exactly, you’re not chained to your ch- chair the whole night. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. “If you’d like, I’m happy to reach out to them and explain our reasoning.” Oh my gosh, she’s being way too nice.
Lauren Lowder: No, do- doing too much. You’re doing too much.
Christa Innis: Diane, “Sure. If you had asked, I would have told you.
I offered to help, but you didn’t want it. Sometimes you have to do the right thing, and separating me from my mother and brother is wrong.” Okay, so it sounds like what they did is put maybe their immediate parents at one table together, and then other- Mm-hmm … family next, which I see it happen all the time.
And plus, like- Yeah … putting together seating charts is like, it’s like a puzzle piece. Like, you have to, like, get everyone in there and- It is …
Lauren Lowder: it’s
Christa Innis: a lot of work.
Lauren Lowder: It’s, it is. It’s like defusing a bomb. It’s not just, like, one tiny… If you move people, then you’ve gotta change other things. Now, I guess if she had just been a normal human and been like, “Hey, is there…
I know seating charts are so hard. Is there any way I can sit next to my brother and blah, blah, blah?” And then it was like, “No, like I, I really…” whatever. And she’s like, “I totally get it. Just thought I’d ask,” you know? Yes. Like, that’s a normal interaction. It’s like three sentences- Mm-hmm … and that’s, that’s normal.
Christa Innis: Yeah, it’s not like threatening to never talk to your son again and like-
Lauren Lowder: Psychotic …
Christa Innis: having a whole tantrum. Yeah, like let’s just learn to communicate. You can say like, “Hey, would you mind? Is there any way this could work?” Um, me, “I appreciate that you offered to help, but truthfully, you haven’t shown much interest in the planning.
You rarely ask about the wedding unless it involves you.” Ooh, she’s like- Here we go. It’s the battle Oh, boy.
Lauren Lowder: Yeah, here we
Christa Innis: go. Ooh, “If you had reached out earlier or shared strong opinions about seating, this might have been different, but asking for changes three weeks before the wedding isn’t realistic.
I’ve spent hours organizing names, tables, and the chart itself.” See, I feel like, too, it’s like, and I’m not shaming the bride, ’cause you know what? She said cl- clear as day the mother-in-law does not like her. She never has. She put down everything. But also I feel like it’s like she doesn’t like her, so she’s like, “Why am I going to ca-,” she doesn’t like her back.
You know? Like, the daughter-in-law probably doesn’t like her. Right. And so she’s like, “I’m gonna tell her like it is. I’m not gonna cater to her.” What
Lauren Lowder: do I have to lose?
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah. At this point, tell her like, “Uh, you already don’t like me, so I might as well just be like- Yeah … I’m not changing anything. I’m gonna tell you why.”
Um, so.
Lauren Lowder: Yeah, it’s a win-win. Nothing to lose. You know? If like she doesn’t ever talk to you again, a win. If she changes her ways, a win. But either way, it’s a win.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. “Diane: I was told not to be involved. Me: I don’t know who told you that, but it wasn’t me. I’ve actually been upset that you and your husband haven’t showed interest.
I often feel like when I bring things up, the topic gets changed. Diane: I was told it was your wedding and whatever you want goes. I was trying to be a good mother-in-law. I always offered help. Me: It’s Jake and my wedding, and again, I never said you couldn’t be involved. From my perspective, you haven’t shown much interest beyond general offers.
If we had talked more about planning, you would’ve known when things like this were happening.” Gosh. Mm-hmm. It sounds like just a big communication, like, mess. ‘Cause who’s- Yeah … to, like, maybe, maybe Jake stepped in and was like, “Mom, I don’t want you involved,” because to protect her. But-
Lauren Lowder: Yeah, yeah …
Christa Innis: I don’t know.
Lauren Lowder: Diane- Also, too, like why are you fighting for her to be involved when you know she doesn’t like you and you don’t really like her? It’s like- Yeah … it’s kind of a gift that she hasn’t been interested or involved, and take the win, you know? That’s
Christa Innis: what I think,
Lauren Lowder: too. But I don’t know.
Christa Innis: A lot of times in these stories, again, not to like group it all, but when there’s like a daughter-in-law, mother-in-law, like, issue, they get offended then when the mother-in-law doesn’t want to be involved, which I’m like, if they don’t wanna be involved, don’t hold it against them.
Maybe they’re distancing- Right … themselves because they know they can’t bite their tongue. Um, so now it’s- Mm … kinda like salt on the wound. Everything’s out, and so I feel like they’re, now they’re just kinda like gonna go at it.
Lauren Lowder: Yeah. It’s so much deeper than just not being interested in the wedding-
Christa Innis: Mm
Lauren Lowder: unfortunately.
Christa Innis: Yes. You’re taking her son away. Mm-hmm. Um, Diane, “Again, I was told to stay out. It’s your wedding, not mine.” Me, “That may be true, but Jake would never tell you not to talk to me about it. He’s heard me say I’m hurt that you’re not involved.” Diane, “I felt unwanted in the planning. I didn’t want to be a nag.
I asked Jake instead. You control him,” ooh- Mm … “and I didn’t want to push you away and lose him.” Me, “I don’t control Jake. That’s a ridiculous thing to say. I moved here so he could stay close to you. I took the bar here. We bought a house here. We are having the wedding here.” Diane, “You have already taken him away.”
Oh, g- Oh my God, lady … so I feel like I’m reading someone’s personal text. I mean, I guess I am. I
Lauren Lowder: know.
Christa Innis: Gosh. See, I’m like, I, I don’t know if it’s, like, my age or what, but I’m just, like, past, like, the… If, if it’s not going in a direction, you just gotta call it a night. Like-
Lauren Lowder: Call it. Call it. It’s too much. It’s too much.
Too much via text.
Christa Innis: She says, um, this is the, the last two things they say. Um, she says, “Jake is an adult. He makes his own decisions. He chose to build a life with me. He decides on how involved others are. This is unreasonable.” “Diane, I’m sorry you feel that way. I always wanted a good relationship with you.”
At that point, I stopped responding because the conversation was going nowhere. So there you go. I honestly don’t know what to do. She clearly needs help, and Jake says this is how she is. She has outbursts, then later feels embarrassed and apologizes. But I’ve told him I can’t just deal with it forever. He needs to set stronger boundaries, and he refuses.
He thinks he can manage it by cal- by being calm and diplomatic, while I tend to trust my instincts and speak up. This is the first time I ever directly confronted her. I’m completely at a loss for how to move forward, and honestly, if she follows through on cutting him off, I might just take that opportunity and move closer to my family.
There’s so much more that happened, but I really need advice on what to do next. Oh, okay.
Lauren Lowder: Mm.
Christa Innis: What would you say?
Lauren Lowder: Okay, so I would, um- This woman needs a project, okay? She needs something to keep her hands and mind busy, because when it’s, when her hands and mind are not busy, she does crap like this. So I would give her a project to do to help out with the wedding, and I would make it, like, the most surface level thing that she could do and help with so then that she can’t be like, “Well, you didn’t have me involved with anything.”
Mm-hmm. Um, I’d be like, “Hey, can you, you know, tie the flowers together?” Or, or, you know, um, just the most basic job, assign that to her, and kind of scratch that itch that she’s needing, she’s needing from you to be involved.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lauren Lowder: Um, and then the other s- and then don’t even address any of the other stuff.
That is just not even your problem.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Lauren Lowder: The fact that she has no boundaries with her son, with herself, with other people, that is, that is her crap. Yeah. And, um, yeah. I would just focus on the life that you’re building with your mans and nothing else matters.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I feel like it’s not, I don’t know the OP’s name, but I don’t feel like it’s her place to-
Lauren Lowder: Right
Christa Innis: tell the mother-in-law how it is. It needs to be the son, if anything.
Lauren Lowder: No.
Christa Innis: Because it’s only gonna cause a bigger rift. Like, if they’re all together, they’re gonna just, like, pull each other farther and farther apart, and it needs to be the son that sits down with her and, like, be like, “I’m choosing my wife.
I’m still your son, but, like, this is my new life.” Because it’s- I don’t know. Someone like this, you can’t really, like, barter with. You can’t, like, be like, “Oh, okay. We’ll do this if you do that,” because- There’s no reasoning.
Lauren Lowder: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah … yeah, she’s made her mind up.
Lauren Lowder: Yeah. If
Christa Innis: she doesn’t get her way, she’s gonna either cut him off, or it’s, like, an empty threat just to, like, see what they’ll do.
But-
Lauren Lowder: Exactly …
Christa Innis: either way, someone that gives an empty threat, how long do you really want them around that often? But I don’t know.
Lauren Lowder: Exactly. Yeah. And I agree. It’s always if it’s your parents, it should be you-
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm …
Lauren Lowder: dealing with it. And if it’s his parents, it needs to be him having the conversation moving forward.
I totally agree.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah, and I, I think it’s hard, too, when the, the, the in-law, the son or daughter in-law is the more outspoken one, or the more… I shouldn’t say outspoken, but where she says, “I tru- I speak up more. I trust my instincts more.” He’s a little more diplomatic- Yeah … and calm. So I think it’s harder when the in-law is like that because-
Lauren Lowder: I
Christa Innis: know, yeah
it, “Oh, they’re controlling you. Oh, they’re telling you like it is.” Um, so yeah, I feel like because it’s so close to the wedding, like exactly what you said, like, give her a small task, one that’s not going… the wedding’s not gonna depend on it. So if she doesn’t follow through- No … it’s fine. Like, you’re still gonna figure something out.
Right. And then if she wants to get hellbent over not sitting at the same table, she’ll be the one that looks ridiculous if she throws a tantrum, which-
Lauren Lowder: Exactly …
Christa Innis: sucks, but I don’t know.
Lauren Lowder: Yeah, and that’s her, and that’s her and her karma, and that’s all you can say.
Christa Innis: Yeah, yeah. Oh, my gosh. Well, good luck.
Lauren Lowder: Wow, what an intense story.
Christa Innis: I know. I hope- We hope
Lauren Lowder: that helped.
Christa Innis: I know. I hope that helped. I know. I have to see when she sent it ’cause hopefully the wedding’s, like… Hopefully this was, like, a newer story and the wedding didn’t already happen. But either way, we can reach out. Oh,
Lauren Lowder: yeah.
Christa Innis: Maybe there’s a follow-up. Our
Lauren Lowder: thoughts and prayers are with you.
Wedding Confessions & Unhinged Guest Behavior
Christa Innis: Yes. Okay, I always like to end these episodes with confessions that people send me on Instagram, so we’ll just react to them. This week we s- Okay. My eyesight. I gotta zoom this in. There we go. I need to go to the eye doctor. Okay, um, a time you felt ignored or unheard during your wedding or someone else’s.
Okay, let’s see.
Not being the center of attention at my own wedding. Ooh, that’s interesting.
Lauren Lowder: Okay.
Christa Innis: Maybe-
Lauren Lowder: Wait, so- …
Christa Innis: like, overlooked
Lauren Lowder: Okay, wait. Help me understand what’s going on right now. Are you reading-
Christa Innis: So people from- What- … Instagram send me in confessions. And so like- Okay … we post like, “Send us, like, a question box,” so they can anonymously- Yes
submit. And so we said, “What’s a time you felt ignored or unheard?” And so this person said, um- Got it … “In the center of attention at my own wedding.”
Lauren Lowder: Got it. Yes. And that was it. That’s all that this person
Christa Innis: said.
Lauren Lowder: That was it.
Christa Innis: Yeah, yeah.
Lauren Lowder: Yikes. Yeah.
Christa Innis: So that could e- I mean, there’s a lot of reasons that could be. I mean, it’s like s- just a lot going on, and people kind of caring more about themselves than being like, “It’s the bride and her day.”
You know, that kind of thing.
Lauren Lowder: Yes, of course.
Christa Innis: Um, let’s see.
I don’t know what that… Oh When my sister-in-law got up and gave a speech without being asked
That ended with asking for keys from… Wait, what? Okay. When my sister-in-law got up and gave a speech she wasn’t asked to make, and it ended with asking for keys from all the female wedding guests. I don’t get what that means. Hmm, what? Keys It’s gonna be more complex than that That’s crazy. Sorry,
Lauren Lowder: girl.
Yeah. I don’t
Christa Innis: know what that means. Um, okay. And then, “Parents own a business and were using my wedding as an advertisement. I have no say.”
Lauren Lowder: Oh,
Christa Innis: ew. I don’t like that.
Lauren Lowder: Yeah, that’s, that’s icky.
Christa Innis: Do they own, like, a wedding business? Like- Okay
Lauren Lowder: Or like a car dealership and they’re having the wedding at the car dealership.
And they’re like, “Come on down to Bob’s Honda and see our daughter get married.”
Christa Innis: Yes. That’s hilarious. Um, okay, last one. “The bridesmaid dress options didn’t fit me right. The bride refused to compromise and was so uncomfy.”
Lauren Lowder: Oh, that sucks.
Christa Innis: I don’t like that. I feel like everyone has different body types, and I feel like you need to consider what your bride, what your bridesmaids are- Yeah
Lauren Lowder: comfortable
Christa Innis: in. Like, you can’t be, like super picky as a bridesmaid, but you also, like, don’t want your bridesmaids to be uncomfortable. A little bit of both.
Lauren Lowder: Exactly. There’s a, there’s a line, yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. All right. Well, that’s all I got this week. Thanks for coming on.
Lauren Lowder: Oh, thanks for having me. That was so fun.
Christa Innis: That was so fun. Can you tell everybody where they can find your content? I also know you have a podcast too, so make sure you tell us, like, where everyone can find your podcast, what that’s about- Yeah … and your social media content.
Lauren Lowder: Yes. So you can find me everywhere at Burnt Out Teachers, BurntOutTeachers, all one word, on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook and YouTube.
Uh, and Threads, I guess. I’m not really on there much, but my stuff is. My videos post there. Um, and yes, recently started a podcast with my two, uh, childhood best friends, and it’s called The Borderline Besties. And we are borderline besties because Abby and I are best friends. We’ve been best friends for 27 years, and then my cousin Michael is one of my best friends, and obviously we’re cousins, so we’re family.
Mm-hmm. Um, but Michael and Abby have only met a couple times, so it’s like this cool dynamic of they both know me in different ways, and then watching them both interact. And, uh, everyone is so funny. They are so brilliantly funny. And, um, but anyway, this has been a dream of mine for a really long time, to get all of us together onto a, a space like a podcast.
And it’s just, we talk about so many different things, but this is my newest baby, and you can find us anywhere, uh, at The Borderline Besties as well, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts. Um, and we talk about everything, all different types of things. We’re trying to kind of narrow in on what it is that we wanna talk about each week.
We’ve done conspiracy theories, we’ve done food, we’ve done, you know, trying to live as an adult in the world. Um, but it’s, it’s pr- if I do say so myself, it’s pretty funny. They are so funny, and it’s a, it’s a good time, so.
Christa Innis: I love
Lauren Lowder: that. Yeah, so you can find me, uh, find me there too.
Christa Innis: I love that. All right.
Burnt Out Teachers, Borderline Besties. Awesome. Well, like I said, I’ve been watching your content for so long. I think you’re hilarious, and I’m really glad we got to officially meet, so thanks for coming on.
Lauren Lowder: I know. Thank you so much.
Unforgettable Guests, Important Conversations and Shocking Engagement Reaction
My new book Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story is live!
In this episode’s tasting menu: a serving of nostalgia, a replay of unforgettable guest talks, and a proposal wrapped in silence.
We start the episode by revisiting some of the most meaningful conversations from 4 past guests. These include discussions around hot takes, motherhood, mental load, therapy and relationships. The conversations focus on what life actually looks like behind the scenes of people in social media.
To close, I get into a new wedding story submission. The bride’s in‑laws managed to turn everything into a spectacle, inserting themselves into decisions, demanding attention, and leaving the couple caught between celebration and conflict.
A magical night turns into a lesson in how family expectations can unravel even the best‑laid plans.
🎧 Listen for the nostalgia, stay for the drama, and take away the reminder that protecting your peace is never optional.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- The Sister Who Couldn’t Handle Sharing Attention – One groom’s sister spends the entire wedding sulking, acting excluded, and making the celebration about herself after her brother stopped catering to her every need.
- “You’ll Have To Call The Cops” – A mother-in-law completely loses control, screams at the bride outside the limo, and refuses to leave the wedding venue until police physically escort her out.
- The Drunk Cousin From Hell – A wedding guest named Chloe shows up already intoxicated, wears the bridesmaids’ color palette with a white shawl, and later starts a physical fight during the reception.
- The Mother-In-Law Who Couldn’t Let Go – Another bride shares how her controlling mother-in-law tried to dictate everything from jewelry to shoes and emotionally manipulated her sons whenever they chose their wives first.
- The “Boy Mom” Dynamic – Christa and her guests unpack unhealthy emotional attachment, enmeshment, and why some family members struggle when relationships and family roles change.
- Weddings vs. Family Expectations – The episode explores how quickly weddings become less about the couple and more about keeping difficult relatives happy.
- Why Couples Are Choosing To Elope – After hearing all the chaos, Christa and her guests discuss why so many couples are walking away from traditional weddings altogether.
- The Importance of Boundaries – Across all four stories, one thing becomes clear: protecting your peace sometimes means stepping back from toxic family behavior.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “It’s like she wanted to be the victim or be upset about something.” – Christa Innis
- “It sounds like she needed the attention for some reason.” – Brianna
- “It’s like an elongated adult tantrum.” – Brianna
- “When someone decides not to play their role in the family anymore, people get upset by that.” – Brianna
- “You are just creating more of a barrier if you really want to be involved.” – Christa Innis
- “When you’re in that victim mindset, you can’t even see people including you.” – Christa Innis
- “If it’s a gift, then treat it like a gift. Not a transaction with strings attached.” – Christa Innis
- “You don’t get to control a situation because you financially provided for it.” – Paige Connell
- “If you know you’re going to spend your wedding worrying about everyone else having fun, don’t have a wedding.” – Paige Connell
- “No one else is nearly as invested in your wedding as you are.” – Paige Connell
- “You should never wear white to a wedding, but malicious intent is a completely different thing.” – Janelle Riddell
- “If someone is a known liability, you have to mitigate that risk before the wedding.” – Janelle Riddell
- “Protecting your peace sometimes means stepping back from people, even family.” – Christa Innis
- “It’s so easy to sit in that spot of, ‘Everyone hates me. Nobody wants me here.’” – Christa Innis
- “You can’t ask somebody to do something they don’t have the capacity to do.” – Paige Connell
- “Sometimes when everything is moving too fast, the people around you can see the red flags before you do.” – Colleen Borgert
*This conversation is for entertainment and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Please seek a licensed professional for your specific situation.
Brianna
Brianna, known online as “your favorite mom’s favorite mom,” is a creator known for her hilarious takes on motherhood, relationships, and the everyday chaos of adult life. With sharp humor and brutally relatable commentary, she’s built a loyal audience by saying exactly what everyone else is thinking.
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Paige Connell
Paige Connell is a working mom of four, creator, speaker, and advocate using humor and honest storytelling to talk about marriage, motherhood, money, and the mental load. Her viral conversations around invisible labor and modern parenting have made her a powerful voice for working families everywhere.
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Janelle Riddell
Janelle Riddell is a wife, mom, engineer, and creator known for her honest takes on weddings, relationships, and social dynamics. With a mix of logic, humor, and real-life perspective, she breaks down modern etiquette and everyday drama in a way audiences can’t stop watching.
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Colleen Borgert
Colleen Borgert is a creator and storyteller known for her thoughtful reactions, relatable perspective, and honest conversations around relationships, family dynamics, and personal growth. She brings warmth, humor, and real-talk energy to every discussion.
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Christa Innis: Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of Here Comes the Drama. I’m your host, Christa Innis, and thank you for being here, especially if you’re a longtime listener. If it’s your first time, I’m excited for what we have in store for you. I’m always working at making this podcast better and more enjoyable, so if as you’re listening, you ever have feedback or you have suggestions, please send them over to me at hello@christainnis.com.
Always interested to hear what you guys have to say, especially if you’ve been listening for a while. You know my content. You know me. Happy to hear it. So starting off this week, I wanna read a recent review of the podcast. It says, “Christa, please don’t do a I’m just a to yourself. I’m old enough to be your mom, and let me tell you, everything you’re doing is important to someone, most of all you.
Allowing yourself a little slower pace with small kids is okay too. Don’t worry, we listeners will all be here.” Okay, I have to say that that message, review brought tears to my eyes, because, I think she’s probably replying to a couple weeks back, I posted about kind of struggling. There was a lot going on.
I struggle with a lot of, giving myself time to slow down. I feel like I always have to be doing something in order to be, valuable sometimes. I don’t know where that comes from, but, like, I hate resting. I hate taking time off. But one of the really awesome things about being a toddler mom is allowing myself that time to be with her, and, I constantly feel this push and pull.
But it’s also just fun to allow myself to be more present with her. and my husband and I have a pretty good, like, schedule down of, like, when, you know, he’s with her and takes her somewhere, and when I’m with her, I take her somewhere, and then we have family time. But I was just really feeling it a few weeks back when I was recording, or a few months back when I was recording.
So, I just wanna say thank you to everybody for all the kind messages. I’m a very go, go, go type person. I love check boxes. I love accomplishing things. But those downtime moments and the moments with my family just really mean the most to me, and so seeing those messages was just, like, reminding myself that, I’m helping people, and I’m also, like, sharing entertainment.
and it’s really important to be, present when I can and also take breaks. So thank you for those really, really kind messages.
so in regards and in relation to all of that, on the podcast, I like to remind myself, like- We made a change probably about a year after doing the podcast. I, of course, love reading the shocking submissions, the story submissions from you guys because, I mean, that’s what kind of started this whole thing, these wild wedding stories.
kind of just talking through them of, like, what should you do in this situation? How should this have been handled differently? Or when is it appropriate to maybe distance yourself from someone or, stand up for yourself, right? And with that, we kind of started adding in more conversations around all kinds of things, whether that’s relationships, the mental load.
We’ve talked about, therapy, self-love, um, education system. Like, literally there’s no box keeping us in. We kind of talk about all kinds of things with people on the show. So for today’s episode, I want to do something a little bit different and replay some of my most favorite lessons from, some guests we’ve had on the show.
So we have Brianna, we have Paige O’Connell, we have Janelle Rydel, and Colleen Bogert. just some important things that we talked about with them, as well as the stories that we reacted. They have just a great way with words. and these were podcasts that I listened to back afterwards, and I was just like, ” Whoa.”
Like, I took something away from it. Especially Brianna, she was more recent, so I think that’s why it’s just, like, in my head a little bit more. I felt like it was a full-on therapy session. I was going through kind of like a challenging time with my toddler when I recorded that one, and she gave such helpful advice.
so we’re gonna replay that, but please stick around at the very end because I will be reacting to a brand-new story submission.
Brianna: so I was pregnant in grad school.
I had to do like my internship as a therapist, like while I was pregnant. I also looked very, very young at that point because I was like 23. I was a baby and I looked like a baby. So that threw another thing that I was like, I already feel young seeing these clients. I dunno what the heck I’m doing.
I’m pregnant. What is happening? So it was like kind of a crazy time, but it all worked out. I had, our first. Son and then graduated three days after that in grad school.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh.
Brianna: It was crazy. And then a month before he was born, we like moved into our house. So it all, worked out.
But all that to say we were at very different points in our life when we had our first baby. and while I think like in comparison to a lot of like maybe evangelical people, we were a little bit more progressive. We still were on the conservative side. so I would say that’s been one of the biggest changes is my viewpoints from when I was a new mom till now, just have changed a lot.
and even just like becoming a mom, knowing how hard it is. and like, wonderful of course. But I’m like, I really think you wanna be able to choose this, you know? because there are hard days where even if you wanted it, you’re like. I wanna run away for a day, right? So I think everyone should have that choice.
Repair: Breaking Generational Patterns – Brianna
So I think that’s been super, super impactful on me, is just seeing how hard it is even with all of like the resources and support I have and not everyone has that. so I started, a therapist and I’ve, always worked part-time ’cause we’ve always had a baby or toddler or both at home and childcare is so expensive.
So I opened my private practice, did all of that. but I think as my political leanings became more progressive, that really helped me as a therapist. there was never anyone I would’ve like turned away as a client or anything. But I think at the beginning there were times where I felt kind of like, I really don’t know how to approach this person because I haven’t maybe interacted with a person from this like, walk of life or this anything just different than what I had experienced.
So I think it’s helped me a lot as a therapist to, It feels like now everything aligns really well, which is nice. Like I feel confident in who I am as therapist and a mom. And it’s just like, as a person, it feels like it’s all in alignment. but raising all boys is, it’s really fun. And my boys are like very good.
They’re very good kids. Like my mom loves to remind me. She’s like, you know, your kids are like so good and easy. And I’m like, well, they’re good, but you know What kid is easy mom? they’re very sweet kids. and you know, normal sibling stuff, but they’re very sweet. But I think one of the biggest things is realizing that looking around the world, like a lot of the things that have happened in our world and our country are because of powerful men usually that are not using that power for good.
And so I tell my boys a lot, like, I’m like. Listen, it’s not fair and it’s not right, but you are going to be afforded privileges that other people aren’t your boys and you’re white. And that unfortunately is gonna put you in a position even if you didn’t earn it. So you have to do something good with that.
They are exposed to all different types of people, different languages, different cultures. Like to them it’s very much more normal than it was for me at that age. And I think that helps a ton. Mm-hmm. but we really try to like just be open with emotions and like, it’s okay to be sad. being a boy doesn’t mean you can’t cry or.
Like one of my kids, I won’t say which one, but he gets made fun of because he really likes pink. So silly. But still, still, which I was like very shocked by that. people are mean to him at school sometimes, I am thankful that like we’ve had conversations where he most of the time feels confident that he’s like, who cares?
like what I like, girls can like blue, I can like pink. But I think sometimes we forget as much, progress as we’ve made as a society is that there are still a lot of like stereotypes and, pushback. and obviously girls deal with, so much, but I’m on the boy end of the spectrum, so I’m like, okay, I wanna just make sure that we all the masculinity that we’re modeling to you is not the toxic kind.
Yeah. So we’re trying our best. Yeah.
Christa Innis: It’s so important with this next generation, and I feel like that is something that I am noticing with millennial parents that we are, it’s very general.
It’s a very general thing,
Brianna: but we’re trying to be more intentional, I think. and this is not what you’re saying, just to, just to be clear, what I’m about to say is I think that sometimes people feel judged by like. Millennial parents that were like, oh, we’re trying to do these things. And they’re like, well, we tried our best.
And I agree. But I think if you just trace, and this is obviously painting with a really big paintbrush here, but if you just trace back the generations of parents, I think most parents did the best they could, but they were given very limited tools.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Brianna: To do what they could in their parenting like, my parents, I am not critical of them.
They did the best they could, but they were raised by parents who weren’t even ever allowed to say how they felt ever. Mm-hmm. So when I had big emotions and maybe I got, you know, sent to my room a lot or whatever, was that the best option? No, probably not. But the fact that I could say how I felt that was progress.
Right. So I think that it’s culminating more and more and. What’s, what I think is really interesting too is like millennials are the only, thus far, the only generation that is not becoming more conservative with age. And I think that translates to our parenting that we’re like, we will let you have these feelings.
Like it’s not just children need to like be seen and not heard or whatever the thing is, so I think it’s all kind of coming together. the hard part is I think because millennials are so in touch with this, we’re always so worried about like, oh my gosh, we’re traumatizing our kids and we probably are like, we are okay. We are your kids gonna meet their, we’re learning something. But I think the fact that you just said that we’re learning that is different than again, broad strokes, many previous generations of parents, is that there wasn’t the openness to say I was wrong. And I think if we can start from that place of like.
We are also learning to be parents. We’re learning you individual, each individual child, what you need. Then at least in the future, it’s not hopefully that our kids will just hold it against us for our mistakes. Right. we get that you’ve always been open and so that matters a lot.
It matters a lot.
Christa Innis: that was so well said because I’ve had similar conversations before with people about that. It’s just like coming up a parent myself too has given me more sympathy for like my parents and other generations too. Because you made a great point. Like even talking to my dad about his parents’ generation and his grandparents, like it was so different.
Yeah. It’s like, so they kind of took those tools and made it better and they took those tools and made it better. because yeah, like my, I remember my dad being like, not to get too personal, I don’t share a lot of personal stuff, you couldn’t even like crack a joke at the dinner table growing up.
Like it was serious. Like you sit down. Yeah. We’re not, if you like burp at the table. Yeah, yeah. If you burped or anything, you were like punished. You were off.
Brianna: Right, right.
Christa Innis: And so my dad’s like, I never wanna be that way with you guys ’cause like. Dinner should be follow, we should be hanging out, you know, whatever.
And so, just hearing them talk about that. I feel like we’re always trying to like see what our parents did and how we could be better. Not saying they were bad, just saying, how can we take that and then apply those tools?
Brianna: exactly. I think that’s what everyone’s trying to do. And that’s, you know, that’s the goal in general, not just parenting.
Right. But I think. Sometimes it can be hard ’cause it feels like, other generations feel like, oh, like you’re, you guys are being so critical. And I think the criticism doesn’t have to, I mean, sometimes it is warranted if, you know, it’s like a really negative thing. But I think we can look and just say, we know more now we have more resource.
Like our generation of parents has so many resources, which can be overwhelming, but like my mom couldn’t hop on Google and look and say like, what the heck do I do when my kid does this? Or like, she didn’t have the community besides her next door neighbors to, figure out like, what happens when my kid comes home and, says this thing.
and while sometimes I envy that, I think we just have more resources now. And so we’re just trying to utilize those and yeah, it’s not everyone before us was bad by any means. I think it’s just like we would hope our kids become even better parents than we are. Right? Yeah. So,
Christa Innis: yeah. I know. Yeah.
It’s funny you said about like, too, like talking to your kids and you’re like, what am I doing right now to, you know, ’cause like, already overthinker and then being like a parent, I’ll be like, I see myself in her sometimes and I’ll be like, oh my gosh. and I’ll be like, I’m sorry I said it that way.
And I’m like, I should say it like this. Or like, I dunno if you’ve ever seen that S one L skit, think, I think it’s Kristen Stewart and she’s like trying to compliment a kid other than like, oh, you look pretty in that dress. you’re so smart. I try to like correct myself because I’ll be like, you’re such a pretty princess.
And I’m like, you, you’re like,
Brianna: wait, no, but that’s not the only thing good about you. I know
Christa Innis: your brain. It’s so hard. Your brain.
Brianna: Yes. Well, and I feel like for a while, and there’s obviously, there’s nothing wrong with that, but I think for a while the pendulum kind of swung so far. The other way that it felt like if you praised your kids at all, it was negative.
Like they were like, no, ’cause they have to have like the growth mindset. All of that is true. But I think if you are. Which you are. I can just tell, even from talking to you, if you’re raising your kids and looking at them holistically, like you’re, they’re an entire person, it’s fine to tell your daughter, oh my gosh, you’re such a pretty princess.
Fine. But I think what happened with in some people’s, you know, childhoods, or especially like years and years ago, decades ago, is that that was like the only thing that girls were praised for, or, you know, eldest daughter syndrome. You only were like, you did well. And so we praised your accomplishments.
And so that’s it. And I think if you’re being intentional, it’s, it’s pretty easy if you’re just treating your kid like a person, that you’re gonna recognize all those parts of them. But Right. But I get, you’re like, oh wait, that’s bad, right? Did I just harm you for life? Are you gonna go to therapy for this one day?
Right.
Christa Innis: Disney movies or something. And I’m like, I learned about Disney movies, and I’m like, she had Stockholm Syndrome because he wants her up. So we’ll watch Between the Beast. I’m like, yeah, it’s a great movie, but remember if a man acts this way towards you, that’s not normal.
Brianna: It is not for real life.
Well, and the thing that I tell my clients and myself, honestly all the time, is that I get like with the awareness of knowing how everyone, or like our kids are impacted by our behavior, we get really worried about what’s happening and we think sometimes it’s like, oh no, I yelled at my kid, or I said something wrong, or this is what I’m guilty of.
Sometimes I send my kids to their room and I’m like, oh, I probably should have talked to them, but I got dysregulated in that moment. I like couldn’t handle it. and what I tell people is that when that happens, when there’s some sort of like, rupture of the connection, that’s what they call it in, like the relationship, there’s a rupture.
So it could be like yelling at your kid. It could be, not noticing their bid for attention. It could be sending ’em through their room when it should have been a conversation. That part feels bad. And that’s where we kind of get stuck sometimes, right? We’re like, oh my God, what did I just do? They’re gonna carry this with them forever.
but what’s actually more important, and they’re like a ton of different studies on this, I won’t get into all of it, what’s more important is the repair afterwards. And they’ve done all these different research studies showing even with babies that it’s like with a baby, it looks like they’re trying to get your attention and you’re not paying attention.
And they’re like, what’s going on? They’ll pick up what on it quickly. What’s more important is the repair. So it’s connection basically. So when you know you have that moment with your daughter and you’re like, I shouldn’t have said that. The part that you went, go to her and you, correct what you said, or you say, you know, for me it’s usually like.
I probably shouldn’t have sent you to your room. I should have talked to you and I was overwhelmed. that part is the part that like lasts in their brain and that’s what like the neurons in their brain are like, okay, this is okay now the relationship is okay now. And I think where some parents in the past have maybe stopped is there, is they’re like, oh, that feels bad.
I don’t wanna revisit it. So they don’t, and then the repair never happens, if that makes sense. No,
Christa Innis: that was like,
Brianna: powerful. I know. When I heard it for the first time, I was like, oh, that’s so, I mean, I think it’s so encouraging because we’re trying our best, but we’re also only human and we’re bringing, just like our parents brought their stuff, we’re bringing our stuff.
when my kid freaks out and screams is just being a kid is overwhelmed and I wanna shut them in their room. This is, maybe this is too personal, but I’m like, I know that as a kid and I love my parents. If my parents watch this, love you guys, you’re great. But, and they will admit that they did not.
Let me have those big emotions. So it’s very hard for me to sit with my kids when they’re having those big emotions. ’cause someone didn’t do that for me at that age. Yeah. So I think you have to go, okay, I’m getting triggered as a parent and now I just need to do the repair I remember there was a moment you just said the same thing with about your husband and your daughter.
There was a moment where my husband, he like was talking to one of my sons and my son was like, you know, really nervous to like, tell something. It was like, no big deal. They’re really little, but they were like really nervous and he was like, there’s literally nothing that you could tell me that’s not gonna make me love and care about you.
And, there’s no mistake that you can make that’s like too big. And I’m in the corner like choking, sobbing. And my husband’s like, are you okay? And I’m like. Listen, I had an amazing dad. Like my dad is like, great. But I think when you witness your partner doing that with your child, it’s like, oh my God.
I just know you just planted such a good seed in your kid. So
Christa Innis: You like take those snapshot snapshots. Yes. And you’re like, ah.
Brianna: You’re like, oh, this is like core memory. Like in that movie. It’s like that just got captured and that just planted the seed of like acceptance in your kid and it’s like, it’s really nice to watch.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And I flash forward to like the future and I’m like, you have such a good dad that’s gonna like, talk you up about your emotions or like what’s going on at school, who are your friend, you know, like that kind of stuff. That’s possible.
Brianna: Totally.
Christa Innis: I love that. I feel like we just had a therapy session, so thank you for that. I
Brianna: can’t help it. I can’t help it.
Christa Innis: No, I loved it. I loved it. I feel like I’m gonna really remember those repair moments..
Systemic Pressure on Mothers and the Mental Load — Paige Connell
Christa Innis: Can you tell everyone a little bit more about what you post about on your page, your content, and what you feel your mission has become, with your posting?
Paige Connell: I would say the thing that most people know me for is. Speaking about the mental load specifically as it relates to motherhood, but I speak about it in general as well. Mm-hmm. And. My goal with that conversation is to help women articulate what’s happening in their lives so they can better, process that with their partner, find equity at home, and hopefully in the workplace as well.
And as part of that mission, I also talk about systemic things like lack of pay, parental leave, lack of affordable childcare. the motherhood penalty in the workplace. So my overarching goal is to help women advocate for gender equity in all facets of life. So not, being the default parent by default, right?
All of these things that I think as a society have been very normal for very long, but are leading women to feel burnt out and exhausted, and I do that through. Sharing my own experience, but also just thought leadership on these topics in general.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I love that. It’s so powerful and it’s funny, I mention it time and time again, but like before doing all of this, I worked for a mommy brand and ironically it was before I had my daughter and but with that, it was, I heard firsthand stories from moms, like struggling to go back to work, having to go back to work after six weeks or unpaid leave. And when I started kinda like digging into it, I was like, this is outrageous. Like it’s, we’re in a country where they want us to have more kids, but then there’s no support when you do have those kids.
so what do you think are the biggest like. Things like work. I mean, workplaces is one thing. what can workplaces do? What can we do as a society to kind of like raise awareness to all this stuff?
Paige Connell: I think talking about it first and foremost is really important, bringing these topics up. You know, the things I’ve mentioned, childcare, paid parental leave.
We often view these as women’s issues, when in reality they’re a family issue. They should be impacting anyone who is a parent, not just women, but women are the ones that disproportionately take on this work, right? So if there’s no childcare, who stays home.
Typically mom
who adjust their career,
typically mom,
right?
And so that’s just a societal expectation. And then sometimes people will point to the fact that, well, oh, the husband makes more money. And that just points the wage gap, right? It’s just like, it’s this kinda like chicken and egg thing, right? We’re struggling at home, we’re struggling in the workplace, and they’re really tied together.
And so I think on an individual level. I like to tell people this is not a failure. Like if you’ve ended up in a position where you’re burnt out and exhausted and you’re struggling with the mental load and your career has taken a hit due to childcare or whatever it might be. You’re not alone in that.
That’s not a personal failure, that’s a systemic failure across the board. But also there’s certain things that are within our control that we can do. And so we can’t fix all the systems at one time, but we can do some things, which is, for example, if your husband has access to paid parental leave, he should be taking it.
Mm-hmm. So many men don’t. So many men have access and they don’t take it, and they don’t take it. Because they’re afraid it’s gonna hurt their career, which ultimately just hurts women’s careers more and hurts their partners and their baby and all of the things. And so, we need men to be doing that.
We need, policies that support parents in the workplace.
So adequate sick time, adequate paid leave, flexible work schedules. we need to stop these return to office mandates that disproportionately impact women, right? Like there’s all these things, but also within our homes. One of the reasons I suggest paid parental leave not suggest I strongly encourage, is because when men take it, they’re more likely to carry that mental load with their partner from the beginning and.
The mental load disparity happens very, very early on, typically even before you have kids. I think about, when my husband and I were in our twenties and we were going to a million weddings, I always bought the gift and the card and booked the hotel and coordinated all the things, and he was there, but I was coordinating it, right?
Like I carried that mental load. It wasn’t super heavy until we had kids, and so being aware of these dynamics in advance and talking about them with your partner, putting systems in place to avoid one person carrying too much, that’s something we can do, and there’s tools to do that.
Christa Innis: I love that. Yeah. I feel like it’s such an important conversation
that a lot of families either don’t have or don’t know they should or can have them because it’s just, that’s the way it was when I grew up.
Or my dad went to work, my mom was home. So I just thought that’s how it went. and I think, like I said, with working at the mom brand, I was able to see like, ah. I don’t want that when I go through postpartum, I need my part. It was like, have your partner support you, get your partner involved in the process.
Because so many women would like tell me like, oh, my husband wasn’t even in the room when I gave birth. Or he went right back to work the next day. Yeah. And even if they had a choice to stay home, they’re like, oh, well I gotta work. And it’s just like, you don’t realize if you are setting your family up for failure.
if you don’t take that time as a partner, to the one that gave birth, right? And so I feel like it’s such an interesting conversation because that push and pull between work and sticking up for your family essentially.
Paige Connell: Yeah. And I think, know, it’s the narrative, right?
We’ve put a real premium in our country on men being providers and doing the paid work and women doing the unpaid care work at home. And so even like the overnight feedings I’ve said on social media, like, dad should be doing some of those, even if they’re partners breastfeeding, like they can change the diaper, they can soothe the baby.
Mm-hmm. And men are like, well, I have work tomorrow. It’s like, she’s gonna be up tomorrow too. Okay. Like, and doing something incredibly important, which is caring for your newborn. And we have this narrative of. This work that men do outside of the home being really important, if not more important than the work their partner does at home.
And so I really think we should push back on that. And I, do think most men wanna be good dads. They wanna be good partners. But to your point, like as a society and, kind of what’s been modeled for us just doesn’t show us what that looks like.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. I was talking to someone the other day and they were asking like, oh, how was your, postpartum?
And I realized, I’m like. Obviously I had a lot of challenges and stuff, but I think because my husband at the time, like where he was working at the time, he got like two weeks off. I was like, this is what it’s gonna be like when I’m, postpartum. Like, I’m gonna need you to help with this. And like, I remember just being responsible for like breastfeeding.
I was like, other than that, he did everything else or we were able to split other things. I would hear of all these moms like having like postpartum depression and obviously that’s so nuanced. There’s so many reasons why women go through that. Right?
Paige Connell: Totally.
Christa Innis: But I feel like a lot of it could be helped with a supportive partner or supportive workplaces because a lot of times these women are stressed about going back to work in a few weeks and they’re not getting paid and they have to get their child in daycare and, that’s a lot.
Paige Connell: There’s a lot. you even mentioned daycare. Women are typically the ones finding childcare, and that’s really hard to do. And so yeah, it’s not as simple as just being home, taking care of a sleeping baby. it’s pretty complex what’s going on. I’m glad to hear that you had the support that you need.
I mean, similar to my husband had. Not a lot of time with our first three kids. He had no time. and then with our fourth, he had four weeks and it was night and day experience for us. Right. It was a vastly different experience for me. and I think that’s so important. I wish everyone had that.
Christa Innis: I know.
It’s like, imagine how it would be if men were like forced, like, you have to be home during these 2, 3, 4 weeks, whatever that looks like. And just support.
Women. Yeah. I mean, some countries do that. They mandate it, that men have to take it, and there’s like specific rules around how that looks. And so yeah, I think unfortunately in order to get men to do it, oftentimes it has to be mandated.
Paige Connell: but I do think, more and more men are doing it, but we still need to see that improve across the board and. know, there’s data to show that, the work that women are doing and the mental, they’re caring it leads to real impact, mental, emotional, physical tolls on women, and that has a long-term impact on their, lives and their wellbeing.
And so if we care about that, if we care about mothers as much as we say we do, then we should prioritize their care.
Christa Innis: what’s your message for anyone listening that. Maybe is, struggling with the mental load right now and doesn’t kind of know the first steps to take either with their partner or their family or their work.
Paige Connell: with the mental load in particular, I often say the first thing you have to do is just start to understand what it is. I think oftentimes women feel incredibly burnt out and exhausted and they feel like they’re kind of on this hamster wheel they can never get off of. They have this ongoing running to-do list that’s always there and never shorter.
and. but They can’t articulate that, their partner says What’s wrong, they’re just like, I don’t even know. There’s a million things I could tell you. A million things that I’m stressed out about right now. And so first and foremost, I suggest people familiarize themselves with the terms and what’s actually playing into the mental load.
Make the Invisible Visible
And so one way to do that is to. We say, make the invisible visible, write things down every thought that pops into your brain, which is like, I have to pay, the school for a raffle basket.my kids need cash ’cause they’re going to the beach tomorrow with camp. I have all these reminders on my phone and I think a really important way to do this is just write everything down.
For a week, two weeks, just write it all down and look at it and you’ll see, you’ll start to see what that mental load looks like. What are the things that are weighing you down? What’s stressing you out the most? What’s causing the most tension? where do you think your partner can support you?
Where do you feel like you’re strong? being able to look at it in a really concrete way. I use a spreadsheet, I offer this to people, whoever wants it, it’s part of my free guide, but I have a spreadsheet and it just lists a bunch of tasks that most families do. It’s from the book Fair Play. E Rodsky created this game, which is a really great way to make that invisible labor visible.
Doing that is so helpful just for you as a person to be able to see it and say like, wow, okay, this is why I’m tired, like this is why I’m stressed out. and then from there. You can think about having a conversation with your partner, but I often tell women like, sometimes you’re not ready for a conversation with your partner and you just need to be able to say it to your therapist or say it to your best friend and start to articulate what you’re feeling.
And then once you’ve been able to do that, then you can start to have the hard conversations of, okay, well what does it look like for us to change this?
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
I love that. Saying it out loud. ’cause I feel like a lot of times, like as women, we like keep things in until like,
Paige Connell: yeah.
Christa Innis: Kind of builds up a little bit and then it’s like you can’t take it anymore.
So, I love that, getting it outside, saying it to a therapist, a friend, and kind of piggybacking off of that.
Who Broke the Road?: Dynamics —- Janelle Riddell
Janelle Riddell: So people, sometimes people accuse me of. Oh, you built a whole page to complain about your mother-in-law and like truthfully, I don’t even talk about my own mother-in-law and my own stories. It’s mostly follower submissions, but it’s also more so like themes. That’s why I’ve started integrating more lifestyle and vlog style content, almost just like a metaphor to show like.
Daughters-in-law that don’t get along with their mother-in-law, like they’re literally just moms and women living their life. they’re not sitting at home scheming and plotting to they didn’t intend on ruining their mother-in-law’s life despite what she’s told you at the store, at the church group.
Like they’re literally just existing and the reasons why the relationship has fallen apart. is often a function of both parties, but not in the way that you would expect. that’s a key note that people love. I don’t know if they’ve like, commented that on your videos too necessarily, but always, if it’s ever relationship focused and the story or the skit or whatever really portrays one person as the protagonist and one person is the antagonist you always get.
Relationships are a two-way street And my catchphrase response to that is, yes, but who broke the road? two people can’t travel down a two-way street if it’s broken. And that’s where I am trying to bring awareness and visibility.
But also, yeah, it’s cathartic for people who have gone through it to watch my content and be like, yes. That’s exactly how I feel. But yeah, the road doesn’t always come from stories that are portrayed in, say, your skits or of my skits. The broken road also comes from. More minor things that just build up over time too, so.
Christa Innis: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And I think that feeling of like wanting to be seen that you’re like not crazy. someone can like, relate to you. and that’s the thing too, is when I get those, I shouldn’t even say like hate comments. They’re not really hate comments, but like there’s some people that will comment and be like, this is just terrible that you would portray a person this way when you don’t understand the full story.
And I’m like. someone sent me this story, so I’m only able to portray what this person sent me in their own words, and I’m gonna do my best to like get it out there if I can.
And I think too, it’s like people need to see these conversations and I think, like we said earlier, it helps people on both sides kind of see like, okay, here’s where a boundary needs to be set, or here’s where I need to like.
Limit contact or here’s where, okay, there was miscommunication, let’s work this out. Or whatever that looks like. I think it’s good to have these examples and of course, yeah, it’s part entertainment. I mean, so many people follow for entertainment. Like I know the reason I started doing like content like this is because I loved seeing content like this.
I love the conversations seeing how things play out, and I think it helps us kind of see ourselves in conversations and be like, oh, how would I react? Or, oh, that’s really crazy. I’ve never seen something like that before. That’s how we roll.
Okay. Let’s get into, ’cause I feel like we could talk about this stuff forever and we could, we could, we could. When we talk about weddings, does anything come to mind for like a kind of crazy story or something that you either seen at weddings or had at your own wedding?
Janelle Riddell: We invited my husband’s cousin per the request of certain people who generally doesn’t come to stuff. He doesn’t come to family gatherings very often. I think I’ve seen him like in the 10 years my husband and I have been together maybe two times.
We invited him. He, RSVPs Yes. Doesn’t show up to the wedding. again, it’s my wedding day. I had no idea that he didn’t show up, but in the meantime, my mother-in-law had invited her best friend from childhood or something, which again, like. my parents invited friends too,
Christa Innis: like, okay.
Janelle Riddell: and didn’t RSVP with a guest, RSVPed for herself.
Brought a guest, brought her sister, I think it was, So the guest brought a sister. The guest brought an UNRSVPed Guest. and the cousin, RSVPed yes No. show So you do the math, there are seats for everybody. But they weren’t planned seats. So I guess
Christa Innis: what happened is
my mother-in-law’s friend’s, sister didn’t have a seat at the friend’s table or whatever, but there was an extra seat, like I guess some adults put their heads together and found a chair
Janelle Riddell: for the friend’s sister. So that’s great and that’s good. But apparently my mother-in-law was deeply offended and obviously it was a, personal, I had done that intentionally, was personal, and then spent my entire wedding reception.
Complaining about me, complaining about where their seat was in their wedding and how she didn’t have a seat, and how rude that was, and how none of my parents’ friends didn’t have seats.
And um, because they probably all are CPD the right way I guess. I don’t know. so you could say, oh, maybe you missed it, maybe whatever.
Like understand, I’ve a project manager, been a project manager for 10 years at this point, like a spreadsheet. And me, we are friends. So maybe I missed it, but. I’m saying it would be unlikely to me way. it didn’t ruin my day. I had no idea. But after the fact, it still sucks to hear that was like
Christa Innis: the thing that, the
Janelle Riddell: conversation that was going on.
Yeah.
Christa Innis: I do think, though, I do think this story is a perfect example of that kind of deeper level relationship building that I talk about because yes, my mom, mom and daughter, people are gonna have a hard time equating mother-in-law and future daughter-in-law with mom and daughter.
Janelle Riddell: But trust me, for my followers, there’s tons of people who are very close with their mother-in-law and were close with their mother-in-law throughout the planning process of their wedding. Or their husband is very close with his mom and they liaise and talk and discuss on a regular basis. Neither of those two things are true in my case.
And so where I’m going with this is if either my husband or I had a like friendly chitchatting about regular stuff on a regular basis, mutual exchange of information, not like the mom who calls her son to talk Adam for two hours every. Once a month and thinks that that, oh, I’m so close with my son.
No, like have a real relationship. It probably would’ve got caught. It would’ve because there would’ve been a casual conversation, oh, my friend so-and-so is bringing so and so, and I would’ve been like, what? She didn’t RSVP with someone. Oh, let’s take a look at it. Oh, let’s, we would’ve caught it. Right.
Whereas like my mom, I knew who all of her friends were bringing or like whatever was going on there. I think one of her friends husbands couldn’t come because something had come up, so then I just went in and changed whatever. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like. And those kinds of things get caught when you’re having regular conversation with people.
A hundred percent.
Christa Innis: So many times when I share skits, people comment like, oh, I would’ve said no right away. it’s like, it’s so much easier. And I even, you know, myself, like, you can look from the outside and I’m so great at telling other people how to set boundaries and say no and like. But in your own life, it’s so much more difficult, so much more nuanced because it’s you have a different relationship with each person and you have other people involved and know, a history, and you’re always like, am I gonna be the bad person?
You know, and there’s all these different things as opposed to just like saying no. And I think we should ideally all get there. Like if someone’s treating us poorly, but we can’t always see it. Sometimes it’s a disguise, sometimes it’s like talked to nicely first and Totally.
Janelle Riddell: I actually feel like it’s the people who are saying, oh, just say no. I often think that maybe they’re coming from a place. Of like, they’ve had really fortunate relationships with family in their life because I could see, had I not lived what I’ve lived now with my in-laws, I would feel that way because if there’s something I don’t wanna do that my mom asked me, I just say, no, mom, I don’t wanna do that.
And she doesn’t think that my husband forced me to say no. She doesn’t think that it’s unfair that, oh well you said yes to so and so the other day, so why are you saying no to me today? No. I literally say, no, I don’t wanna do that. And then if. whatever the situation is, it doesn’t happen very often.
Again, this is like what I try to dive into with my content, which is just the, like what goes into relationships, which is my mom knows me, we’ve built a relationship, so she generally doesn’t ask me things. That she knows I’m gonna say no to. Like she knows me and my husband is people, so it doesn’t get to a point where we really need to say no.
She reads the room or it’s not even, she reads the room. She’s built relationships with us. And that is fundamentally, I think often the root cause in a lot of these situations is they haven’t taken the time, energy, effort again, two-way street. I don’t know who’s gotta build the road.
We can split hairs on that, but, to cultivate and build a relationship with their daughter-in-law or their adult child. Quite honestly, sometimes comparatively to how the daughter-in-law’s, parents have built a relationship with her, so they’re asking for things that like. Why are you asking for something that you know is gonna put them in a position that they’re not comfortable with and different people are comfortable with different things.
That’s another huge source of comments. Like, good for you, that’s what you’re comfortable with. Not everyone’s comfortable with that. And that doesn’t mean they’re entitled or wrong, or. Yeah, sometimes it does, but not always, you know? Yes. people are people. We gotta meet people where they’re at, but people don’t wanna meet you where you’re at if you’ve been habitually a jerk to them.
Exactly.
Christa Innis: No, that’s such a good point about like, if you haven’t had to really deal with those difficult things harder saying no just comes off as easy. Yeah, because like I’ve never had, like, they’re not thinking that way. But yeah. If they haven’t had a deal with that, it’s like, well, it’s black and white.
They do that then totally. No. But yeah, if you tend with the teeter-totter of relationships and you’re like, uh, I don’t know. Is this one of those where I say no, or how do I back down from this? Yeah, totally.
Janelle Riddell: Yeah. Completely. Yeah.
Seeing What’s “Behind the Curtain” — Colleen Borgert
Christa Innis: Yeah. And so like of going back, what inspired you to initially become an educator? You said Did you start with social work and you were kind of in that field and then you kind of moved into teaching?
Colleen Borgert: Yeah, so, I kind of was always in the school social work realm. And then just recently, a few years ago, I kind of navigated more into the classroom and now I work at a Catholic school. So I’m a Catholic, English, a second language director. And what I do is I ensure kiddos that do not have English as a first language, have equitable education.
now more than ever. That’s extremely important. I feel so passionate about this because I also grew up in an extremely, like poor environment, poor households. So I know what it took to like claw my way to get here. And I know that if it’s possible for me, it’s possible for other kids if I can just be that adult that I needed when I was younger.
So that’s definitely what fuels me every day that I get up and I go to school.
Christa Innis: I love that I’ve, heard that quote before about like, need to almost think about who you needed as a child because that should be kind of like who we are as adults, because that’s gonna kind of put us back in that mind frame of like, okay, I really need an adult to hear me.
I really needed an adult to support me or understand me.
Colleen Borgert: to make you feel seen and valid.
Christa Innis: Yeah, absolutely. I feel like that’s such a pivotal thing to remember because we get kind of lost in the day to day. And then especially as educators, you want someone to really care. Like, my daughter’s too young for school yet, but when she’s in school, I’m like, you want a teacher like that that’s gonna really think like, okay, they’re gonna hear everything I say or they’re gonna see me as a person, like even if I’m quiet or, you know, those kind of things.
Colleen Borgert: Absolutely. And see the parent too, because the parent is an important part of all that.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Mm-hmm. So do you think, so I know you’ve kind of posted before about your content changing, especially after the election, but I think even before the election you were kind of, talking a little bit more about what could happen, these kind of things.
So with working at a Catholic school, is it hard to kind of. Do you have to stay in line with certain things or say certain things? I don’t wanna like get you in trouble either, so I wanna make sure you’re saying things that are okay. Mm-hmm. are there guidelines like can you say certain things online or where does that fall in line with your teaching?
Colleen Borgert: Well, I think in general that is kind of just a teacher box that everyone has to stay in. when it comes to my Catholic faith and where I align, at first was really nervous to kind of like go out in those waters and let people know like, Hey, I’m not a public school teacher. I’m a Catholic school teacher.
But once I showed people that. I am here for all kids regardless of religion, race, background, culture. People started to see my authentic, views that I wanted to present and the information that I was giving people and it was well received. There are definite lanes that you have to stay in, as a teacher.
And then I think my lane is just a tad bit smaller being a Catholic school teacher, but the things that I am bringing are fact-based. Educational laws to people. So I’m really proud of that. And I think as long as I stay in my lane, I’m good. And I’ve had a lot of wonderful support from my school community.
they have backed me up 110%. they believe that every child has the right to a free and equitable education as I do regardless of race and religion. So it’s been really good. but at the end of the day, I’m an adult and I have to be able to control what I say to stay in that lane.
Christa Innis: Yeah, no, absolutely.
No, I love it. I love that they’re, behind you. ’cause I mean, just in general with like content creators, like just different jobs, I’ve heard different stories where they’re like, you can’t say this, you can’t post this, you can’t do this. so it’s really good to hear that there’s like supportive, schools and communities out there.
chair, like a pivotal moment in your life that kind of shaped how you approach teaching.
Colleen Borgert: I think one thing that changed my view on how I view all kids in the classroom is my son was diagnosed with Tourette’s Syndrome when he was in kindergarten and. As a parent, just hearing that diagnosis, not knowing what that looks like, in our lives, let alone in the classroom, surrounded by, kids he does not know.
it really made me like peel back my eyelids and open my eyeballs to every single kid has something different that’s going on inside of them. Every single kid that is in front of me is going to feel one way or another on a certain day. And my son deserved to have a teacher that was like, okay, you are different and you’re unique and that’s wonderful.
And how are we going to ensure that you get the exact same care and attention as every single other kiddo. In here. And I think as we’re looking at things today that are happening politically. We have to remember that we are all just one diagnosis away from having a unique child. we’re one car accident away from having a child that might need to be in a wheelchair that is going to need different accommodations and is going to need a teacher that is, loving and caring and will do absolutely everything for your kid.
Like they would for Susie Hugh, who is always there 20 minutes early, raising our hand star reader. Mm-hmm. Like every single child is different. And I want my kid to have a teacher that loves on him. Like I love on every single baby that I see every single day of the school year. Mm-hmm. So, like his diagnosis, it was rough for us.
It was scary. We didn’t know what that would look like. So that was hard.
Christa Innis: All right, guys. Welcome back. Hope you guys enjoyed a little, walk down memory lane, or if it was your first time listening to them, we will link all of the other full episodes, so you guys can go back and listen to the full episode with each of, those guests. Let’s react to this week’s story submission.
Cold Engagement Night
Okay, I genuinely don’t even know where to begin with this because it’s a very bumpy ride with his family from the start, but the main event of everything started on Christmas Eve of 2024. My now husband and I had been together for three years, and that Christmas we decided instead of buying presents, we would make each other advent calendars and save the best gift for the last day.
We had just gotten back into my car after taking pictures in literal freezing weather because it was the last night for Christmas lights at our town lake. Once we got in the car, we took a second to breathe, set up his phone to record, not just to post online, just so we could have the memory if we wanted it,
And gave this sweet speech about how he knew we couldn’t get married right away.
at the time, my VA benefits would have been revoked if we got married, and we also hadn’t lived together yet. But he said he didn’t wanna wait any longer to start the rest of our lives together. Then he proposed. Of course, I said yes. We immediately drove back to my parents’ house to tell my family.
My mom, dad, little brother, grandma, and grandpa, everyone was genuinely excited for us. There were hugs, tears, compliments about the ring, the whole thing. We even called my sisters and godparents afterward to share the news. My family was overjoyed. Then we went to his parents’ house to tell his family.
Famous last words. His mom, dad, stepdad, sister, her ex-husband/boyfriend, which becomes relevant later, and their two kids were all there. We walked in, and everyone just stared at us like we interrupted something. My husband said we had an announcement, and his mom immediately gasped and screamed, ” You’re pregnant?”
We very quickly said no, and honestly, I was offended she even thought that. What a weird thing to jump to. I held up my hand to show the ring and said we were getting married. Silence. No congratulations, nothing, just everyone sitting there staring at us. This is starting a lot like the Brielle skit. I promise you it’s not, cause I’ve never read this one before, but it does sound a lot like it.
embarrassingly enough, this happens to people all the time, embarrassing for the family, not the bride and and groom. This happens all the time. I’ve had a lot of people when I’ve shared the Brielle skit saying this exact thing happened to me, so it’s really sad.. Finally, his stepdad, who is honestly not a nice person most of the time, stood up, hugged us both, said congratulations, and left for his own mother’s house. After he left, my father-in-law congratulated us, offered my husband a beer, and took him into the kitchen Meanwhile, I just stood there awkwardly until his mom finally said, ” Well, are you gonna show us the ring?”
Like, yes, we wanna show the ring, and yes, it’s exciting, but when they don’t say anything, they’re just like, “Show us the ring,” it’s kind of like they wanna see, like, how big it is or, like, make comments on it. So I sat down and showed her and his sister the ring. His sister kind of grimaced and said, “It’s pretty?”
like it was a question. Then suddenly his mom started rapid-firing wedding questions. She was talking about how excited she was to help plan, how her daughter and granddaughter could help, and how excited she was for the kids to be involved. At that point, my husband and his dad came back into the room, and my husband said, “Well, we haven’t figured out all the details yet, but we should probably head out soon.”
And honestly, it felt like they were basically ushering us out so they could talk about us after we left. For the next couple of weeks, nobody from his family mentioned the engagement at all. Then one night, we got invited over for dinner, or technically I got invited over for dinner because my husband was still living with his parents at the time.
Rival Wedding: Sister-in-Law’s “Rewedding”
Apparently, his sister and her ex-husband/boyfriend had an announcement. They were getting remarried. Oh, no. Oh, gosh. Okay. According to them, they never really broke up, and this time they wanted a huge wedding. You guys, I can’t. I’m reading this, I’m like, “This is gonna be a skit. This has to be a skit,” instead of the courthouse wedding they originally had.
Then they immediately started trying to rope me into being maid of honor and helping plan their wedding. Stop. No. I just smiled politely and nodded through the entire uncomfortable conversation. After about 10 minutes of suffering through it, I told them my husband was needed at my house and we had to leave, but congratulations.
Like, how do you even react to that? Like, of course she’s gonna say congratulations and be kind, but they purposely… You could tell, like, after they left, they were like, “Oh my God, they’re gonna have this big wedding before we even had ours. we need to plan one right now.” That is wild.
Oh my God. Okay. A few days later, I found out they had supposedly decided to get remarried because they didn’t want us having the spotlight anymore. There you go. And that honestly told me everything I needed to know. His mom had barely reacted to her son getting engaged, but suddenly she was over-the-top excited for her daughter’s wedding.
Fast-forward a few months, we moved out together, something we’d already planned on doing for years. My family was the only one who offered to help us move. Once we got settled in, the apartment was a disaster of boxes and unpacking. We intentionally didn’t tell his parents our apartment number because we didn’t want surprise visits, which of course they immediately tried to do anyway.
I’m talking repeated calls between 11:00 PM and 3:00 AM asking if they could stop by because they were in the neighborhood. Who’s just driving around between 11:00 PM and 3:00 AM? What? The calls were always to my husband, never me, because they knew I’d say no. Well, I think most anyone in their right mind would say no at 11:00 PM.
probably the fifth time, my husband told them that if they wanted to come over, they needed to ask me too, because I was the one setting up the household. See, that’s where I don’t like it, because he needs to be the one that says yes or no. He can talk to you, but it’s his family, and if he does like, “Well, I think it’s okay, but like you need to talk to her,” that makes it kinda weird, ’cause that’s like almost saying like she’s the one with this weird boundary.
Setting up the household sounds like a weird excuse. I think he needs to be the one to say it. also, like turn your phone on silent after 11:00 PM. No one should be answering their phone then . I’m a typical millennial though, my phone’s always on silent. So that’s me. They never contacted me. Instead, about three weeks after we moved in, I got Facebook messages from his mother calling me manipulative and narcissistic.
Confrontation, Low Contact, and its Distance
She accused me of stealing her baby boy. Famous words. This kind of mom, this kind of person will always say, “You’re stealing my baby boy.” Come on. And claimed I was the reason he never wanted to come over anymore, which is completely untrue. At that point, after the cold reaction to our engagement, the complete 180 with his sister’s wedding, wedding, and the general treatment from his family, I decided to go low contact.
Again, I don’t know what’s gonna happen next, but I hope it’s not just you going low contact, because that will also pull a strain in your relationship. If they’re like… If he’s all in with his family still, seeing them all the time, and then you just bow yourself out I feel like that’s gonna cause strain with not only you two, but then you with his family.
I think it needs to be equal. ” Still, I encouraged my husband to maintain whatever relationship he wanted with them, but I stepped back completely.” There you go. ” His mother is manipulative, rude, and blames everyone else for her problems. I haven’t spoken to her in months now, and at this point we’re fully no contact.”
Wait, so now she’s no contact with the mother-in-law, or soon-to-be mother-in-law, but he still sees them? That’s… I don’t wanna say weird, because every relationship is different, every situation is different, but that’s hard. I think he needs to be on the same page as you, because it’s gonna be this constant push and pull.
good for you for keeping your boundary, and if she’s, you know, constantly coming in and not being kind to you, being rude, you need to have low or no contact, but he needs to be the same. He needs to stick by you. ” We also decided to elope because we genuinely didn’t trust her not to create drama at a wedding.
And honestly, since January of 2025 when we stopped discussing our wedding with them completely, there has never been another mention of his sister’s wedding anywhere. No updates, no planning, nothing. Which tells me they were never serious in the first place. They just wanted to take attention away from us and make us feel bad.”
Yes, 100%. The fact that they did that is just so conniving, and that’s manipulative themselves. Because they were like, “We can’t let them have this moment.” I just noticed my dying flowers behind me. Anyway, they were like, we can’t let them have this moment. need to pull it away from her to show her that we just don’t care.”
And that was intentional. ” People always say you’re not just marrying him, you’re marrying his family. But honestly, I disagree. Family is what we make of it, and I get to choose who is part of mine. Thankfully, my husband and I are genuinely happy now. We’re living together, legally married, and planning our elopement and honeymoon surrounded by people who actually love and support us.”
Okay, I love how that ends. I feel like this should definitely be a skit coming up. My only concern, which she doesn’t say anything about, so I don’t know, I could be making assumptions. My only concern is that he’s still full contact with his family, and that could make a little pull. But she says, “We’re genuinely happy now.”
they’re living together, they’re married, they did everything they wanted for their wedding. So I’m hoping that everything is working out for them, and that his family’s not trying to meddle and still trying to show up or, you know- Trying to crash or do anything crazy. So keep us posted. I wish you guys nothing but the best, and thanks for sending the story in.
All right, guys, that’s all I have for this week. No confessions this week, but we do weekly confessions on Instagram, so if you ever wanna send in your confession or if you wanna send in your story, I’m always taking new stories. Again, it does not have to be wedding related. It could be relationship, roommates, college.
It could be random mom group friend story, whatever you want. I’m taking all of them. I know a lot of times they revolve around weddings or events just because that’s a lot of times when the most drama comes out. I don’t know. It’s something about weddings, funerals, like, those bring drama, so yeah.
And so the link is in the show notes if you guys wanna submit your own story, but thanks so much for hanging out with me, and I will see you next time. Bye now.
One-Sided Friendships, Unpaid Wedding Labor, and a Friendship Unconsidered
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Fake Concern Setup — A best friend frames exclusion as “protection” due to MS, but the story unravels into something manipulative.
- Unpaid Wedding Labor Reveal — Bestfriend unknowingly been assigned the role of managing the entire wedding behind the scenes.
- Point-of-Contact Trap — She’s made the wedding’s main coordinator while actual bridesmaids are fully off-duty getting glam.
- Emotional Labor Overload — From bouquets to crisis control, she’s handling everything the bride asks.
- Invisible Support Breakdown — She becomes the only person actively keeping the day from falling apart.
- The “After Everything” Realization — The emotional turning point hits when it becomes clear she was only valued for what she could do, not who she was.
- Friendship vs. Function Insight — One-sided friendships often disguise dependence as closeness until it’s too late.
- Wedding Etiquette Hot Takes Return — From long ceremony gaps to guest behavior, what truly ruins wedding experiences.
- Tradition vs. Intention Conversation — A reflection on why people follow wedding traditions without asking whether they still make sense today.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “A friendship breakup hurts differently because that’s someone that you chose to have in your life.”
- “ What we see on Pinterest and social media is not realistic for everybody. .”
- “The best weddings feel like the couple, not like a Pinterest board.”
- “I don’t think anyone’s a bad guest unless they start drama, honestly.”
- “People live very different lives… weird things happen all the time.”
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Christa Innis: Hey, guys. Welcome back to a brand-new episode of Here Comes the Drama. It’s been over a month since I’ve sat down and recorded, and as you guys can see, if you are watching the video, I am in my new house. so during that time, I moved, and I’m still getting accustomed to the new space. I apologize in advance if you can hear a little echo.
I’m figuring out sound, lighting, and all that good stuff in this new space. and then if you are watching the video, you can see behind me is a work in progress. We’re figuring things out as we go. I’m also recording in a different way. so again, I apologize if I tend to look at my computer. That’s where I’m used to recording from.
I’m now recording from my phone for the time being until I figure more things out. So again, thank you for your patience as, I’m learning as we go. just kinda making it fun. But I’m excited to be back and read some stories from you guys. I get so many stories, and I don’t even have the chance to read all of them, so being able to do the podcast allows me to really, like, absorb them in a different way and sit down with you guys and enjoy them.
So it’s been a wild few weeks. it still kinda feels a little surreal.
currently I’m filming at night, and normally my husband’s at home, but he’s at a concert tonight, so I was like, “It’s fine. I’ll film when my daughter’s asleep,” and she’s in there just chatting away.
anyway, sorry to keep this episode a little bit shorter just so I can kind of slowly get back into it, and please, you will not offend me.
I do wanna hear your feedback because we’re constantly trying to make it better and, of course, sound better. not that long ago I sent out an email survey where you guys could give me your feedback as well, and I’m taking all of that into account just to make better content for you, better episodes, newsletters, and all that good stuff.
So, the biggest update, of course, I just talked about is that we moved, so that’s been a big process with a toddler, getting everything settled, and kind of figuring out our new space. it’s been a long time coming. So very excited to have more space to be able to film and more areas of the house that I can use.
as opposed to my last podcast, we were filming in my closet. it’s quite, quite the change. the next update, which happened this week, actually yesterday as of recording, which I’m so relieved and happy about, is I submitted book number two edits. I’ve kinda talked about it here before, but, I’m working with my literary agent on book number two of the Here Comes the Drama series.
It’s called Drama Ever After. It follows season two pretty closely but, of course, I’ve made a lot of changes, and I’ve added a lot of stuff and a lot of scenes and dialogue that I just couldn’t put in the storyline, skits. you’re also gonna notice some bigger changes that, again, were not in the skits, but it’s like once I read through it and I try to make sense of it, I’m like, “Wait a second.
Why did I have that happen? This should’ve happened.” And so it’s been fun, but it’s been a lot of work in the midst of moving to be able to focus on that. And I’m someone that, like, works on deadlines really well, but if you give me a deadline way in advance, like months in advance, it’s really hard for me to be like, ” Okay, I’ll work a little bit here and a little bit here.”
I wait till the last minute. If you’re my literary agent listening, no, I didn’t. Shh. so it’s really hard for me. I was really good in the beginning about pacing myself, and then all of a sudden it was like, “Oh my gosh, I need to read through this book
Two more times with edits in one week’s time. So that was a lot to take on, but I’m really excited and happy that it is submitted. Not to say there won’t be many more edits, but I just feel like we’re making progress with this book.
I’ve also said many times before that, we’re processing it and publishing it a different way than the first one. So I’m excited to see it all come to fruition.
Hot Takes on Modern Wedding Etiquette
All right, so let’s jump right into some hot takes. We’re just gonna do a few of these and then get into this week’s story submission. A long gap between ceremony and reception is worse than almost any other planning mistake.
Okay, so I wouldn’t say it’s worse than any other planning mistake, and I don’t think it would be called a mistake if they do it on purpose, but it is rather annoying when there is a really long gap, especially if you’re far from home because then if there’s, like, a three-hour gap, you’re like, ” What do we do for these three hours?
We have to be back for dinner by this time. What are we gonna do in a town where we don’t know anybody, don’t know what to do?” I’ve seen it happen a few different times, and there was really nothing the bride and groom could do. we ended up going to a house of a relative that was nearby. but you should hope and plan accordingly that when the reception starts, that dinner is served almost immediately after because one of the weddings that I went to where there was a really long gap, I want to say it was, like, three or four hours between the, end of the ceremony to the reception, we still got to the reception and I think had to wait another hour, hour and a half for dinner.
So really think about that when you ask your different venues, about timing and what is available because I think sometimes people get so far in the planning process where they don’t realize, ” Oh, we have to push this back,” or, “Oh, our church only allows us to get married at this time.” So really ask those questions ahead of time.
Okay. Not everyone wants to dance, and that shouldn’t make them bad guests. Yeah, I mean, I don’t think it should be, like, required for people to dance. Some people are just really not comfortable with dancing, and I think that’s okay. But if you’re not a dancer, make sure you’re having a conversation or talk with some people.
I don’t think anyone’s a bad guest unless they start drama, honestly. Like, if you just want to sit at your table and be a bum, that’s fine. Like, you’re not hurting anybody. but you are at a social event, so be kind, be communicative with people, and just enjoy the night. It’s okay to reuse decor, dresses, or ideas.
You don’t need everything to be never been done before. yes, 100%. I’ve talked about this before. My wedding, we reused fake flowers from my friend’s wedding. a bunch of decor was passed along from different weddings I was at. I borrowed some from, the venue I was at. I got some from a thrift store.
So yeah, I mean, it’s not tacky to reuse stuff. Please reuse stuff. Save where you want to or can. To me, and for me, getting something that was brand new or expensive was just not in the budget, and it was not something that I wanted to spend my money on. Okay.
The best weddings feel like the couple, not like a Pinterest board. I feel like that’s phrased kind of weird, but I agree. I think ultimately, the couple brings the vibe, right? So if they’re a fun couple, they’re on the dance floor all night, they’re talking to everybody, they’re having a good time, the guests are gonna have a good time.
The Pinterest board is great for the image and all that, but at the end of the day, if it just looks great but the party kind of sucks, it doesn’t matter. Okay, last one. Some traditions stick around purely out of guilt, not because anyone actually enjoys them.
I wouldn’t say guilt necessarily, but I do think a lot of times people think they have to keep the tradition alive because their parents did it or their grandparents did it without actually questioning why they did it, or if they actually want to do it themselves. I know so many weddings I went to, they do the bouquet toss and they do the garter toss.
And for me, I hadn’t really been to a wedding where they didn’t do it. It was just very normal. And then when we got to mar- ready to get married, I was like… Not ready to get married, planning our wedding. I was like, “Mm, I don’t wanna do that.” And I think a lot of times people don’t even take a step back and say, ” Does this make sense for my wedding?
Would I want this at my wedding?” they just kind of think they have to do it. They, like, build it in there. So I think you would always ask yourself, like, “Does this make sense for us, or is this something I’d rather leave out?”
A Friendship Turned Unpaid Wedding Support
All right, here we go. This week’s wedding story submission. About seven months ago, my best friend since kindergarten invited me to her wedding. We’re coming up on nearly 30 years of friendship. We spent every summer together growing up, went on each other’s family vacations, and her family has always called me their bonus daughter, the whole nine yards.
So when she invited me, I naturally asked what dress she wanted me to wear, since we have literally been talking about being in each other’s weddings for over twenty years. That’s when she told me, ” Because of your MS, I’m not going to have you in the wedding. I don’t want the stress to be too much for you.”
Oh. I was hurt, but I told myself it was her wedding. I decided I would still go, support her, and respect her decision. Fast-forward to the wedding weekend. I flew in on Friday after waking up at three AM to catch my flights. That same day, I helped her make a four-tiered cinnamon roll cake and stayed up working with her until almost midnight.
The next morning, we were supposed to get our nails done at together at eleven AM, while the rest of the group went at nine. At nine AM, I get a text saying she was already there. Oh, they’re getting her nails done, so I rushed over and ended up getting my nails done alone. Okay, that’s weird. After that, we spent the day running around shopping for the wedding.
When we got back to her house, she had me put together her bouquet and all the bridesmaids’ bouquets. This is very odd. At that point, I went back to the hotel early because I was completely exhausted. Then came the wedding day. I found out she had made me the point of contact for the entire day. So while her bridesmaids were getting their hair and makeup professionally done, I was running around managing everything.
Okay, so you’re telling me she was hired as the day-of coordinator without being hired as a day-of coordinator. That is, like, the sneakiest, like, I don’t know. I don’t know how I feel about this friend. and for anyone that doesn’t know, there’s typically a point of contact for every wedding. Like, it’s typically the maid of honor, your day-of coordinator, wedding planner.
I’ve been the day-of contact many times for weddings. It’s just so that you’re not bugging the bride with questions like, “Oh, what door do we come in?” ” Where should we set this?” “We’re running late.” You know, anything like that, it’s so they can contact someone So the fact that she just made this friend her contact is very weird.
The fact that she was like, “Oh, I don’t want you to be in the wedding ’cause it’s gonna be too much for you,” acting like she cared, but then being like, “Psych. You’re gonna be the day of coordinator and just not get paid for it,” is essentially what I’m getting. ” When her dad wasn’t there five minutes before the ceremony, I kept her calm and made sure she didn’t know.
When her mother-in-law’s dress broke and her husband had to leave to get it fixed, meaning he might miss pictures, I stepped in again. I distracted her, kept her relaxed, and handled everything he was supposed to be doing until he got back.” So she realizes at this point that she’s being used. She has to know because people are calling her, she’s getting, like, pulled in all these different directions.
I’m confused why she hasn’t… I mean, I guess at that point she’s probably thinking the bride still has good intentions. So she’s like, “Oh, I’m just helping.” But then I’m sure in 2020, She’s looking back and she’s like, “Wait a second.
When Loyalty Isn’t Reciprocated
This doesn’t make sense.” ” I basically spent the entire day doing the role of maid of honor without the title.” See, I was thinking more day of coordinator, but okay. ” And then when the ceremony started, I was sitting in a car while two other people stood beside her, one being a friend she’d only lived with for three months years ago, and the other being her niece, who she had been talking badly about all weekend.”
Why are you talking bad about your niece? That’s weird. Weird behavior. ” She never thanked me, not once. She never acknowledged that without me she wouldn’t have had a cake, bouquets, or a stress-free wedding day. I didn’t say anything. I just quietly left early using TSA as an excuse and ended up sleeping at the airport.
There’s honestly even more that I could say, but I was so overwhelmed that I was crying from stress on the day of the wedding. I was handling everything, and at one point I had to ask the hairstylist if I could pay her to quickly curl my hair cause I hadn’t even had time to get ready even though I had arrived six hours earlier.”
This girl does not care about you. She does not care about you. It makes me so upset when I hear stories like this because I read it and I’m like this is obviously a one-sided friendship. All along the person sending, that sent in this story, she’s like, “This is my best friend. I’ve known her for 30 years.
We’re gonna be in each other’s weddings, like maid of honors,” blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And this other one’s like, “Ah, she’s so annoying. I’m not gonna have her in my wedding, but you know what? She’s really good at what, this, this, and this, so I’ll have her come along, but she’s not gonna have the title.” Like, that is so shitty to me.
Friendship, Boundaries, and Moving Forward
Like, why act that way to someone you’ve known all along? Like, at the end of the day, if she didn’t want her in her wedding, I mean, whatever. Like, you choose who you want, just be upfront, and then don’t use them. Don’t make them the point of contact and have everyone contact them. Say like, “Oh, this… You can call her, or you can talk to her if you need something for the wedding day,” because that just makes you look like a shitty person.
Looking back, I showed up for her in every way possible. I wish she had just shown up for me, too. I wanna know you guys are no contact now, if you guys don’t talk anymore, because after that, I would be like, I would feel very used, and I think our friendship wouldn’t be the same after that, because it’s very clear how she feels about you.
I’ve said it before, I’ve felt like I was in weddings before just because I was good at certain things. not to this extent, of course. I was clearly asked to be in a wedding, and it was very clear what my expectations were. This reads as someone that’s, like, thinks you’re beneath them, and they…
The fact that she, disguised it as caring for you, ” Oh, I don’t want you in the wedding because you have MS. I’m looking out for you.” When in reality, everything she had her do was harder than just standing up in the wedding. So this is just a friend that doesn’t truly care about you. And so I hope this can just be a learning experience of like, okay, I need to guard myself against people like this, because she obviously doesn’t have my best interest.
Man, I know we like the drama-filled stories, guys, but sometimes I’m just like, dang. Like, some of them just seem a little more heart, heart… Mm, what’s the word I’m looking for? Gut-wrenching than, like, entertaining drama. the mother-in-law ones, like, yes, it’s pain at the end of the day, right?
To, like, have those, strong disagreements and someone coming in saying, like, ” You’re doing it this way. You’re whatever, a gold digger,” whatever, it’s that kind of thing. But it’s also, like, that’s your partner’s parent. So, like, at the end of the day, you have to decide if you want them in or out, right?
But a friendship is just a different kind of breakup, right? It’s like, that’s someone that you, like, gave your heart and soul to. You chose to have them in your life. And so I feel like those kind of hurt a little bit more, when it’s someone like that and you have a friendship breakup. So- I hope this person that sent this in was able to look back and say, “You know what?
I’m grateful for the ti- good times I had with this person, and now I’m gonna move on from it.” Because no good is going to come from a friendship like that. She’s gonna continue to use you, and I bet you if you were to able… if you were to look back at your friendship, you would now be able to clearly see times that you were used in it or, called at her convenience, right?
I had friends like that, too, where I thought they were, like, my best friend. I’m like, “Oh my gosh, they’re one of my best friends. Like, we get along so well.” And then you think back and you’re like, ” They called me when they nothing better to do, and the second something better came along, they dropped me.
it didn’t matter.” and sometimes it takes us time to recognize it, but when you do, you’ll be grateful you did. Like I said, sorry guys, this episode’s a little bit shorter just because I’m getting back into the swing of things. Okay, let’s get into some confessions.
Listener Confessions: Feeling of Ignored and Unheard
This week we asked a time you felt ignored or unheard during your wedding or someone else’s. This person says, “When my grandmother-in-law took my husband to dance during our first dance.” I said, “No.” You know, you have to laugh at that. It’s just, like, that older generation that they’re just like, “I’m gonna do what I’m gonna do.”
Like, they kind of don’t give any F’s anymore at, at that point, and I’ve seen that many times with grandparents. Um, you, you kind of have to laugh it off. There’s no reason to really start anything because of it. It’s just, like, I don’t know. Okay.
“Parents own a business and are using my wedding as an advertisement. I have to say no.” Wait. “I have no say.” You do have a say. What do you… Okay, I need to know more about this. Can you please send me some details? Like, DM me some details. What kind of business is this? How are they using your wedding as an advertisement?
Like, it’s in a commercial, it’s in an ad on social media. Talk to me. I need to know about this because you should have a say. This is your wedding day, and if they wanna be that way, say, um… don’t give them access to things. Like, are they using your wedding photos? ‘Cause if they’re using wedding photos or engagement photos, say that it needs to be approved by, um, photographer.
Um, okay.
“My sister wearing a different dress than the one I bought all because I wouldn’t pay for tailoring.” You bought her a dress- But she didn’t like it because you wouldn’t pay for tailoring. I mean, I don’t know what was talked about ahead of time, but if you don’t, like, communicate, people don’t realize that tailoring can sometimes cost just as much, if not more, than the dress, which is ridiculous, but at the same time, you’re paying someone to literally, like, remake the dress to fit you perfectly.
Um, but it’s wild that she then bought a different dress because then she’s probably paying more than the tailoring would have cost. All right.
Sorry, guys, I’m getting raspy. Um, “The bridesmaid dress options didn’t fit me right. The bride refused to compromise. It was so uncomfy.” See, that’s where, as a bride, you have to understand that everyone’s body type is different. That’s why I’m like, I love when brides, like, let your bridesmaids pick different outfits because people have different comfortability lev- comfortability levels and just whether they want things snug or loose or fitted or flowy.
So I think it’s really, really good as a bride and really helpful to ask your bridesmaids, like, “What kind of style do you like?” Um, if it’s like you don’t like the color, I think you can suck it up, but if it’s something that’s, like, really uncomfortable, doesn’t fit you right, like maybe you’re heavy-chested and it’s like you don’t like that feeling there, that’s something that I think as a bride, if they’re your true friend, they’re gonna take that into consideration.
“My maid of honor, sister, didn’t arrange a bachelorette until my mom reminded her to.” This is, again, one of those things where it sucks, but if she’s never been in a wedding before or it was not properly communicated to her, she might not know. I’ve heard of people getting upset when it’s, like, a younger sister, um, or a younger friend or, you know, what have you, and it’s like they’ve literally never been in a wedding.
They’ve never done a bachelorette party. So at that point, what I would suggest doing is hosting your own or seeing if another friend wants to take it over. Um, or you can, like, kindly remind, just be like, “Hey, so this is what I was thinking for the bachelorette. I’ll book the hotel.” You gotta remember, like, what we see on Pinterest and social media is not realistic for everybody.
We see these great big bachelorette parties where people spend thousands of dollars and they get all these, like, gifts, and that’s just not realistic. So remember to take a step back from social media and be like, “Okay, what’s realistic? What can we do? And what does my sister need to understand before doing all this?”
Um, “When my sister called me and told me she booked the rehearsal dinner when I didn’t even ask.” That’s a quick cancel unless you like the place. Um- Again, she’s probably just trying to be helpful, but I can see where that would be, like, stepping on your toes. Just quickly say, “We’ve already got it covered, but thank you.”
Okay, last one.
When my sister-in-laws… Okay, last one. When my sisters-in-law got up and gave a speech they weren’t invited to make at the end without asking.
You guys know how I feel about this. Never, never, never give a speech if you are not asked to give a speech. That is, like, so… Tacky is the wrong word, but, like, it’s just rude. It’s bad etiquette because people plan out their wedding, they plan timing so perfectly, and maybe they purposely didn’t ask you or this person because they just don’t want you to say anything.
So just don’t do it. Don’t ask if you can give a speech either. If they want you to give a speech, they will ask you. Um, and if they don’t ask you and you really have something you wanna share with them, write a letter, make a video, um, make them a scrapbook. You know, there’s so many other options if you actually care about sharing your feelings and something heartfelt with them, and making it less about a whole production.
Okay, this last one I just wanna read really quickly because it reminds me of one of the skits we shared. My grandfather hates dancing and made sure there’s no music at our wedding. There was a story, a skit I read, and I can’t remember the characters, but people were shocked at it because at the very end, everyone was told not to dance because the grandfather was there and did not like music.
So… And I was told commenting, they were like, “That didn’t really happen. There’s no way they would go through all this planning.” Oh, it was the one where the mom tried controlling the whole planning process, and she wanted it to be like her wedding, too. I might be mixing some up. Anyway, um, so that was wild, and everyone was like, “Oh, that would never happen.”
But guys, it happens. Any time you hear one of my stories and you’re like, “That would never happen,” just remember, people live very different lives. All over the world, all over the country, wherever you are, people have different families, different backgrounds, different lives. Things happen. Weird things happen all the time, and sometimes I think, like, this is, like, the perfect outlet.
Like, people have been waiting to share these wild stories, and now they’re finally gonna share it. Um, that’s one thing, too. It’s like people will comment on, like, skits or stories that I share, and they’re like, um, they’re, you know, they’ll have, like, a question about, like- “Wait, but didn’t this happen in this skit or this happen in this story?”
And I’m like, I can barely keep track of what I ate for breakfast yesterday. I… The chance of me remembering what skit is this from is very slim to none. I read probably, um, I don’t know, like 50 in a month because some people DM them to me. They’re all over DM, uh, my Google Drive, uh, social media comments.
They’re just all over. Um, also this segment or this episode, we missed the dilemma. I didn’t do a wedding dilemma, but if you have a wedding dilemma that you would like me to read and respond to on the next episode, please email me hello@kristaennis.com. It can be any kind of situation you’re either dealing with or maybe the ri- or maybe something that happened in the past, you’re trying to understand how to move forward.
I will give you my perfectly solicited unprofessional advice, and I’m happy to do so anytime. Um, I love when people send me messages and they’re like, “What should I do?” And I’m like, “I will tell you what I will do.” It’s not a recommendation, but I will tell you what I will do, would do. Um, and you can take it or leave it, and it’s fun.
It’s fun for me. All right, guys. Well, that’s all I have for this episode. I hope it wasn’t too, um, out there for you. Um, again, trying to get back into the routine of things. It’s really hard for me once I’m, like, pulled out of a routine or out of a place to get back in, so I’m trying to make it make sense.
I’m trying to be as productive, but also, like, keeping a good mental health and healthy, um, mind and body in this new space. So, uh, thanks for giving me grace, and thanks for being along with me for the ride. All right, guys. That’s all I have for this week, and I will see you next time. Bye now.
