Vegas Vows, MIL Meltdown, and Uninvited Guests with Saron Olkaba REPLAY
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This is a REPLAY of one of our favorite episodes! What happens when a mother-in-law hijacks your wedding and makes it all about her? Absolute mayhem.
This week on Here Comes the Drama, we dive into one of the most outrageous MIL meltdowns ever. From insisting on a 500-guest wedding to uninviting the bride from a wedding dinner, this story is a rollercoaster of entitlement, manipulation, and jaw-dropping audacity.
Saron Olkaba, a pop culture commentator, reality TV aficionado, and queen of hot takes joins Christa for a brutally honest take on wedding chaos, pop culture madness, and why cash bars should be banned. They’re spilling all the drama—from surprise proposals gone horribly wrong to the great debate on whether kids should even be at weddings.
Trust us, you don’t want to miss this one. If you love wedding scandals, unfiltered opinions, and stories that will make you gasp, this episode is for you!
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- A bride shares how her MIL tried to double the guest list, uninvited her from a wedding dinner, and threw a fit over boundaries.
- Should you ever make guests pay for drinks?
- Should we retire the bouquet and garter toss tradition?
- A best man ambushes a wedding toast with a proposal—without asking the couple!
- Kids at weddings: Are they cute guests or chaotic distractions?
- When the groom actually attended a wedding-related event that excluded his bride…
- MIL’s final meltdown: Blocking, crying, and dramatic exits—this wedding story escalates to a shocking ending.
- Will the couple cut ties for good? Should this bride run before it’s too late?
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- ”If you can’t be away from your kids, just don’t come, it’s fine.” – Saron Olkaba
- ”Some hills are not worth dying on and others are. You just have to trust your gut.” – Saron Olkaba
- “Cash bars, certainly, never, it’s never okay under any circumstance. That’s a huge problem.” – Saron Olkaba
- “Be creative. You don’t have to shove yourself into this box.” – Saron Olkaba
- “ Let’s not surprise a bride and groom on their wedding day.” – Christa Innis
*This conversation is for entertainment and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Please seek a licensed professional for your specific situation.
About Saron
Saron Olkaba is a pop culture content creator known for her sharp commentary on celebrity news, reality TV, and trending topics. By blending humor, insight, and real talk, she delivers engaging takes on everything from viral scandals to entertainment industry moments.
With a background in political consulting, Saron brings a unique perspective to the digital space, proving that smart women can love pop culture too.
You can find her sharing the latest buzz on TikTok and Instagram (@saronthings), and stay tuned for her upcoming YouTube series featuring deep dives into the hottest topics in media.
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Christa Innis: Well, hello. Thank you for coming on.
Saron Olkaba: Thank you for having me. I’m thrilled to be here.
Christa Innis: I’m so excited. I was saying before we started, I feel like I know you from watching, all your videos and your hot takes. I mean, you talk a lot about things in the media, I mean, right now it’s like Justin Valdoni and, I was gonna say Serena Van Der Woodsen.
Oh my gosh, aging. I haven’t watched Gossip Girl in so long. Blake Lively, totally a brain fart right there.
Saron Olkaba: Could not even think of the thing that people say about her, is that she plays the same person in every character she plays. So, like, Serena Van Der Woodsen and Blake Lively, kind of interchangeable.
Christa Innis: It’s fine. I do get a lot of news from you. I’m like, okay, when I see your video, I’m like, okay, I need to see what’s going on in the news. TikTok brings us all the good stuff we want to hear about.
Can you just tell everyone a little bit about yourself, what you do? and then we’ll kind of get into these crazy hot takes.
Getting to Know Saron Olkaba
Saron Olkaba: Yeah. So I make pop culture content on Instagram and TikTok. It’s content about like the zeitgeist things that are going on in the media, celebrity gossip. I think that, like most of my viewers and followers, are women. And I like to think that women contain multitudes, right? Like, I’m a political consultant in my nine to five day job, but, I also am obsessed with all things pop culture, and, you, Bravo and similar things. So I like to say that smart women Love this kind of sh*t as well. So I like to take it from a kind of Look at these things kind of from a higher level. I like to be fact based, but I also like to talk sh*t So it’s a fun little community.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I love it. I feel like it’s just a great Real Housewives, that kind of stuff, it’s great to just turn your head off, do your mind off, and just, watch some trash TV.
I haven’t watched Real Housewives in so long, like, that kind, but I was a big, like, New Jersey girl all the way. Loved watching it. So good.
Saron Olkaba: You have to, if you’re gonna watch the Housewives, Salt Lake City. Just watch that one. I urge you. To watch Salt Lake City. There are only five seasons. It’s immaculate. It’s horrifying. It’s. incredible, just please.
Christa Innis: Okay. I didn’t even know there was one. So I got to jump back in. I kind of like to hop around when it comes to reality TV. I was in bachelor nation for a little while. I wasn’t in it. I watched it.
Saron Olkaba: I missed
Christa Innis: Oh, yeah. No, definitely not. and then I would watch Bachelor in Paradise and I was like, I don’t know.
It’s all the same. Like I can’t get into it. So I like reality more. Like what’s going to happen is who’s going to fight with who? Right stuff.
Saron Olkaba: Yeah, I really got into The Bachelor because I feel like none of the couples really make it. So we’re just doing the same thing over again. We know how it is, they’re going to, they might be with each other for a little bit and then they break up or there’s two happy endings and 30 seasons. So, yes.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And it’s funny. I don’t know if you saw,, and by the time this comes out, this will probably be old news, but. Alex Cooper interviewed, I don’t even know if you know who Rachel Kirkholm is. Yeah, and they were one of the couples I was like, they’re holding on strong. They always presented themselves as happy.
And you see that and you’re just like, it was all a lie.
Saron Olkaba: Well, I think a lot of people are saying that he was just never gonna marry her if he didn’t want to get engaged at the end of this process where the end goal is to get engaged. What would make you think in the next four years something would change? So I’m excited to listen to that interview too.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I was listening to it last night, part of it and I was like, Oh my gosh, is she got her like quick. Let’s talk about it. So one of the reasons I was like, you would be perfect to have you come on this podcast is because you have so many great hot takes and I feel like just with these crazy, wedding stories, I get, um, proposal, engagement, all that stuff.
I was like, I need someone with some good opinions and we can just kind of banter through some stuff. So the first kind of category is crazy stories and wedding hot takes. So I have some different hot takes that people send me. And so I want to get your opinion on these. So what is one wedding trend or something that you’ve seen at weddings that you either absolutely include or you despise seeing?
Cash Bars, Garter Tosses, and Other Wedding Debates
Saron Olkaba: Cash bar, certainly, never, it’s never okay under any circumstance. That’s a huge problem. That’s a huge problem. Even if you don’t drink. Oh, alcohol free weddings. Even if you are sober, you got to provide, got to provide a drink or two and you can’t make people pay for it. I think it’s like the tackiest thing in the world. Period.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love it. No, I love it. I think it’s great. me personally. I agree. I feel like you need to have. Something there. I remember one time this actually just came to me. We’re talking about crazy stories. we’re at a wedding and it started off as a semi-open bar. So I think certain things were selected. It was fine. But then they switched to a cash bar without telling people and it was like people were getting their drinks. My now husband and I were up at the bar and he ordered drinks for us. And they were like, Okay, it’s this total. And he’s like, Oh, I thought this was open. Like, we didn’t have our wallets on us or anything.
And they’re like, No, switched to cash at 8 p.m. It was the weirdest thing. I would have said, Oh, I thought this was a wedding. Yeah,
I was like, Wait, this is weird. So then he ended up getting his wallet, buying the drinks. Then we left our drinks on the dance floor while we were dancing, and they cleared everyone’s drinks off the table.
So we’re like, they switched to a cash bar mid wedding, but didn’t announce it. And then we’re clearing the drinks off the tables when people are dancing. Oh no,
Saron Olkaba: That is absolutely unacceptable. Absolutely. You’re like providing an experience. People are coming out of their way to celebrate you.
They’re probably giving you a present. They might have flown out here. It’s not a paid experience. There’s already enough investment being involved in a wedding, just going to a wedding, doing all the events around a wedding. No, give them a good time if you’re gonna do it.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I totally agree with that. So, what are your thoughts on the bouquet and garter toss, because this is one of the ones I always ask Instagram followers, and this is like the one that comes up all the time to get rid of it, stop doing it. It’s weird. It’s gross. So what is your take on it?
Saron Olkaba: Yes to the bouquet, no to the garter. The garter is when the guy goes literally under her dress. That is a horror, that’s not okay. I can’t imagine. I feel like I’m at the wedding. My dad’s here, that’s so insane, no, please.
That’s not. I don’t feel particularly passionate about the bouquet as passionately as I feel about the garter knot, which should not be a thing, it’s fun, but I hope no one actually thinks that it means that you’re gonna be the one to get married next.
Christa Innis: I. Literally have been to so many weddings where the women get vicious and they like to push you. I’m like, we know we’re not actually the next one. Like it’s going to be okay. I’ve seen the videos too where they like literally push all the way and I’m like, it’s not that serious.
Saron Olkaba: Like full on shove her to the ground.
Christa Innis: No, not for me.
Saron Olkaba: Not for me at all. And then there’s the like, you throw the bouquet and then someone catches it or like she hands it to the woman so that she can get proposed to. That’s my list of no’s as well. proposals at the wedding.
Christa Innis: Yes, I’m so glad you brought that up because someone shared a confession with me last week saying at her wedding, the best man during his speech proposed to his girlfriend, who was also a bridesmaid.
And I was like, no one knew? The bride and groom didn’t know that was gonna happen? No one knew. She said she was mortified. Security. Security. Yeah, out of here. I was like, I need to know more. I messaged her and I was like, can you tell me more? And so she said they ended up pulling him away and being like, this is not okay.
And they didn’t understand why. But then he still came back, put the ring on her finger. She hugged him and said yes. In front of everybody. She’s walking around the dance floor showing off her ring. She’s like, yeah. I can’t even believe this happened. And she’s like, I always watched your crazy wedding stories thinking it would never happen to me.
And that happened. Were there any signs that this man was a psychopath prior to? They said they’ve been friends with him for a long time. And I, I don’t know. I don’t realize how Weird and rude that is.
Saron Olkaba: No, it’s so tacky. No.
Christa Innis: Absolutely not.
Saron Olkaba: Unless, you know, the bride is in on it. And I’ve seen videos where the bride is full on team, get proposed throughout my wedding, like here’s the bouquet, turn around, I was like, yay. And do you, God bless you. That’s incredible. right. Couldn’t be me, but incredible nonetheless.
Christa Innis: Right.
Saron Olkaba: So that’s fine.
Christa Innis: Yeah. There’s a lot of steps you should take before making sure that’s okay. Like no surprise. Let’s not surprise a bride and groom on their wedding day.
Saron Olkaba: Right? No.
Christa Innis: Okay. So these are just some fun, like picking a side on these wedding drama debates. These are other unpopular opinions that people sent me.
So this person said having kids at the reception is a good thing and they should come and feel welcome. What’s your take on kids at weddings?
Saron Olkaba: I think that just likeA declarative sentence, having kids at a wedding is a good thing, like, by what measure, you if the bride and groom feel like it’s going to be a safe experience for them and whatever, sure, but if they want to party and not have to worry about some kid getting trampled on the dance floor, that’s completely up to them, and you should absolutely respect it, It’s not up to you, so, I don’t understand why people get so upset about it, it’s a big deal for them, it’s the one event where they’re allowed to kind of do this, if you can’t be away from your kids, just don’t come, it’s fine, just RSVP, no, yeah.
Christa Innis: I know, that’s why I’m like, when people get so upset about it, I’m like, if you can’t go, just say no, wouldn’t be offended. Either way, I’m like, now that I have a toddler, I get it. If people do not want a toddler, day, night, either for me, or if we can’t get a babysitter, I will say no, because I would not want to.
A toddler there. Like, I get it. it’s just like, when people get so mad about it, I’m like, I don’t understand the philosophy.
Saron Olkaba: That being said, I told you I was engaged once and I almost got married. It was like a couple of months out from the wedding when it was cancelled.
But, having said that, I’m more than okay with child free weddings. We had set up child care for the people that were going to come and babysitters. And there was a difference, they were in a completely different place with their home. They would have been with their own food and their own people watching them.
And their parents could have gone back and forth to see whatever. So, If you’re going to have kids at your wedding, I think that’s a nice way to do it.
Christa Innis: I love that. I’ve been hearing that more and more. People have a separate area, a fun room for kids, or fun things, yeah. Padded walls. Exactly, yeah. Blocked, because that’s the thing. It’s like the biggest thing I think with kids at a wedding is, it’s the parents that aren’t watching the kids, or like, they’re at a certain age where they can get into anything. Like, I know if I bring my toddler somewhere, like, they’re, she’s gonna figure out a way to try to do something.
And so, like, there’s certain ages, too, where it’s like, you have to either be on them the whole time, or you can’t enjoy yourself. So, I feel like the extra room is great. Like, we had just, like, our nieces and nephews at our wedding, which was, like, so great. seven kids. And we, but we were provided with coloring stuff.
We had their own kids table. Plus we knew them well enough to where like, okay, we know they’re going to be well behaved there.
Saron Olkaba: So you said only like, I think that that’s perfectly fair as well. If you’re just like only the children that are related to us can come, like, and if people make a stink about not being able to bring their kids because, Oh, like, why can they come then? You know?
Christa Innis: Yeah. Sucks to suck. I know, because that’s something I hear too. They’re like, oh, but if you say no to my kids and I come and your nieces and nephews are there, I’ll be so mad. It’s like, you’re gonna be mad that like the bride’s niece is there versus like a co-worker’s son or something like that. I’m like, that’s so different.
Saron Olkaba: The entire drama is wild.
Christa Innis: They just don’t come. It’s fun. It is so wild. This person said, White bridesmaid dresses are weird.
Saron Olkaba: If the bride likes it, I love it. I’m not judging someone’s, like, aesthetic choices in, like, that sense. If the bridesmaid dresses are, like, stunning, gorgeous white, as long as they look good, I don’t care.
I mean, and, I don’t know if you’ve watched, like, Selling Sunset, Christine Quinn. She had, like, this black ball gown wedding dress. Oh, I did! Right? And so like, is it my style? No, but like, I don’t know. It’s 2025. We’ve been doing weddings for a long time. Like, let’s, I don’t know, let’s mix it up.
Christa Innis: I love, yeah, I love when people do like unique, crazy stuff.
I love when the bridesmaids all wear white dresses along with the bride. I think it looks pretty. But I saw this bride that had a dress that turned into a rainbow and like, like, she unbuttoned it and it turned into this rainbow dress. And I was like, that is beautiful. That’s stunning. That’s something I never would have thought of.
Yeah. Like, you go, girl.
Saron Olkaba: Be creative. You don’t have to, like, shove yourself into this box. Like, as long I mean, if you want to As long as you’re getting married at the end of it, that’s the end goal. Just like throw the party you want to throw and invite the people you want to invite. Like you’re spending a lot of money on this sh*t.
Have a good day, do whatever you want to do. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Do you black out all the haters? Pluck out the naysayers, provide
Saron Olkaba: booze, but provide,
Christa Innis: provide booze. Yeah. Provide some good entertainment. Good DJ. Yeah. Okay. Let’s jump into. This week’s story. It’s a long one. That’s all I can do. I have not read it. Just the beginning starts with the monster in law.
So it’s about to get kind of crazy.
Saron Olkaba: I love monster in law stories.
Monster-in-Law Alert: Wedding Drama at Its Worst
Christa Innis: It’s insane. I read these and I feel so grateful that I have a great mother-in-law. I reason I’m just like, these are insane. okay, so feel free to stop me at any point. And then I’ll kind of just pause and we can kind of just react as we go.
okay. I’ve been holding my tongue for a long while, but I’m angry all the time and I needed to get this off my chest. So who better than to tell you? Hopefully this will give some content, um, because I honestly don’t know what else to do about my monster in law. I got engaged in July 2024, and from the moment we announced it, my future mother-in-law started bombarding us with questions about the wedding.
She asked when it would be, how many people we were thinking of inviting. I told her around 250 guests and she immediately said, no, it should be 500, 500. Holy cow. Um, Right. I’m like, that’s the thing, too, is like you find the ones that are so opinionated are not even giving any money a lot of times.
Saron Olkaba: I would think that would be obvious, like, you can’t say you can double the wedding if you’re not paying for the wedding.
That’s insane. Okay, continue. Yeah.
Christa Innis: No, I agree. Um, I calmly explained that we only wanted people we were close to, family or not. I also mentioned it would be a kid-free wedding except for nieces and nephews. There we go. She lost it and started a fight. Okay, a few weeks later the topic came up again, and I mentioned we were planning a sober wedding since my fiance is two years sober. He’s like covering all the things we just talked about.
Saron Olkaba: I swear we did not cover
Christa Innis: Literally, I don’t even put these together because I don’t want to read them ahead of time, so I did not even know. My mother-in-law and future sister in law laughed and said it was fine. But my fiance would need to leave the reception because they would be drinking. Wait, but isn’t this his mom and sister?
Saron Olkaba: Why would they want your fiance? The groom would be leaving his own reception to drink elsewhere apart from the
Christa Innis: what? And this is confusing because I’m like, it’s the mother-in-law, you would think she would be not wanting to like you think she’d be up against the bride, but not the groom because the groom’s her son, right?
Saron Olkaba: I think that she’s probably positioning this as oh, he wants to have a good time and drink so he can’t stay at a dry reception all night. Like we got to go to the bar or some Insanity like that. I don’t know. Please. I can’t wait to go.
Christa Innis: What? Oh my gosh. Okay. Um, That is crazy. Okay. Eventually my fiance and I decided to get married in Las Vegas to avoid all the drama.
We kept the guest list to immediate family and one friend each because the venue could only hold 50 people. We thought this would make things easier. It didn’t. Oh yeah, someone like that’s going to come right in being like, You didn’t invite me.
Saron Olkaba: Continue. There’s no winning. Okay.
Christa Innis: Yeah, this is like two weeks before the wedding. Okay, so they still were going to have this big wedding. They just did like an elopement, just the two of them. So two weeks before the wedding, my mother in law started talking about my fiancé’s dad’s nephew. I’m like, fiancé’s dad’s nephew, okay?
Um, come back. Yeah. Oh yeah. I’m like, drawing a tree in my head. I’m like, where did this go? Um, I never met this nephew. In the 12 years I’d known my fiancé, I told her the guest list was set, and there was no room. She said that was fine, and he could just enjoy it, he could just join us afterwards. I agreed.
Five days before the wedding, my fiancé got a text from his sister in law, oh, from his sister. Inviting him to dinner. He asked if I was welcome and she said, no, family only. That’s weird. His mom chimed in, doubling down saying only immediate family. She cannot come. Okay. Don’t you think like a fiance kind of becomes that?
Okay, this was a dinner to celebrate my fiance getting married and I wasn’t invited what
Saron Olkaba: getting married
Christa Innis: to you and they didn’t want you to come. Okay, he went while I stayed home and then he went. See
Saron Olkaba: girl, this is why you can’t, I already know how I feel. You can’t marry this man. This is a crazy situation.
Don’t, you’re asking for misery for the rest of your f*cking life. Yes. Who will not, who will go to a wedding, a party about a wedding that you are the bride in, that you are not invited to. He said, chill, bet, like this sounds normal to me. This is how you want to start our union? This is insane. You can’t, you can’t do this.
You can’t marry this. No,
Christa Innis: I am. Yeah. What? I am shocked. Why would he go without you? That would be like a no for me. That would be like, sorry. Like, you, you’re choosing your immediate family, who, your fiance, new wife, should be your immediate family. No.
Saron Olkaba: Marry your sister then. Marry your mom. What?
Christa Innis: Okay, five, Okay, later, okay, so he went, while I stayed at home, later my mother-in-law made a Facebook post congratulating him and tagged me in it, which this is important later, she says.
The day before we left for Vegas, my mother-in-law asked me to lunch. Even though I had so much to do, I agreed. At lunch, she told me my fiancé’s little brother had invited a friend to the wedding. I corrected her, saying he asked Wait saying he asked but we said no. Okay, so that little brother had already asked them and she said no She replied.
Well, he invited her weeks ago, and I said it was fine. It’s too late to uninvite her now
Saron Olkaba: It’s not even too late to uninvite you b*tch. Okay, so what do you mean? It’s too late to uninvite her
Christa Innis: Like what is this controlling behavior? Like I’m already so like Angry for this person because I’m like he your fiance is not even on your side.
Saron Olkaba: I’m sweating. Okay,
Christa Innis: this is bad Yeah, I feel like hot
Okay, I was furious but decided to talk to my fiance first when I told him he immediately texted his mom explaining It was disrespectful to invite someone without asking us that she needed to tell the friend he couldn’t come This sparked a meltdown. My future sister in law started calling and yelling at him, but he stood by me, okay, finally, saying no one else was getting a plus one.
When we arrived in Vegas, my mother-in-law asked again, Okay, so the wedding in Vegas is where the mother-in-law’s coming?
Saron Olkaba: Did I? She’s coming to both. Okay. They did the wedding in Vegas first because they thought it would placate her. And they invited only the immediate family from both sides, right? But they’re still having this big wedding.
Okay. They thought it would shut her up to do the first thing.
Christa Innis: To do her own thing. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Because I’m like There’s so much happening. Yeah, you’ve got me. Okay. When we arrived in Vegas, my mother in law asked again if the nephew could come to the wedding because he was already there. I reminded her there was no room and my fiancé backed me up.
On the wedding day, I went to brunch with girls from both sides of the family. My mother in law ignored me completely. Even when I greeted her, I brushed it off and enjoyed the day. This mother in law hates her. Like, this is, I would be like, you are, you can’t come. This is terrible. Like, why would you want to feel like a stranger or unwanted at your own wedding?
Like,
Saron Olkaba: I don’t, I’m like, you can’t have this. She just has the worst energy. She’s just gonna, she’s gonna try and ruin your day. Why would you, no, I would hire security, give them a picture and That would be it.
Christa Innis: Yeah, because it’s not her right to be at this wedding.
Saron Olkaba: Like,
Christa Innis: I’d be like You’re, you’re done. Sorry.
I don’t want you there. She’s a guest. She’s a guest. Yeah, you are nothing more than a guest who could easily be scratched right off. Um, at this ceremony, my sisters told me that my fiancé’s family had taken up the front rows on both sides of the pews. My mother in law refused to move, saying her parents can find another place to sit.
No, so now she’s rude to, like, her family.
Saron Olkaba: I, I’m, I, okay, like this would not be, go well
Christa Innis: for me, or, or, like, I, cause now you’re gonna be, like you said, you’re gonna be dealing with this mother in law for the rest of your life. Like, if it’s bad now, imagine like, if they have kids, or if they buy a house, you know, any step in there,
Saron Olkaba: I don’t understand why someone would, why anyone would sign up to deal with that forever.
Like, mm hmm. You’re asking to be miserable for the rest of you, what man is worth that? What man is worth having to deal with the devil day, no.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I really hope this ends with like, they cut her off. Like, they’re done with her, I hope. Fingers crossed. Uh, cause that’s like the only way this is gonna work, I feel like.
Um, okay. So she said she had to move. I had to ask the officiant to step in and remind everyone which side was for the bride’s family and which for the groom’s. This made my mother in law furious. After the ceremony, during photos, the photographer suggested moving one of my fiancé’s siblings to my side to even things out.
My sister in law loudly said, Hell no, I’m not going over there. I ignored it. At the bowling alley reception, my mother in law asked, “Who are these animals? Who
Saron Olkaba: are these beasts?
Christa Innis: I don’t know, why do they think they’re so much better than, like, her and her family? Oh, God. Jesus. It’s like I’m speechless. This is probably one of the worst mother in law stories I’ve read.
And I’ve read a lot. At the bowling alley reception, my mother in law refused to sign the guest book, despite me and my husband asking multiple times. When she finally did, she just wrote congratulations with no warmth, and she left without saying goodbye.
Saron Olkaba: Like why? That’s the nicest thing she’s done thus far.
That’s the most pleasant she’s been in this whole story.
Christa Innis: Yeah. The next day, my mom invited us to lunch before she left town. My mother in law didn’t contact us, but took my brother, my husband’s brothers to go go karting and sightseeing instead. When my husband asked why we weren’t invited, she said, you were busy.
We weren’t. Two days later, I made a Facebook post about the wedding and saw that my mother in law had untagged me from her earlier post. When my husband asked why, she said, it was a post only for you.
Saron Olkaba: Ew. Do you wanna f*ck your son? Like, what is going on here? Why? I’m sorry, can I, can I curse here? Yeah, you’re fine.
Christa Innis: A little late to ask that question, but. Redo! No. Yeah, it’ll be fine. I don’t know. That is, um, yeah, why? Like why? I don’t get these mothers-in-law that hate their daughters-in-law so much that they’re, that they have no, they don’t care like what they say, like, I don’t, like no one’s good enough for their son.
I don’t, I don’t know what it is.
Saron Olkaba: It’s an enmeshment. I think that’s the word. Or like, what is that, um, no, it’s emotionally incest, even worse. Yes. No, that’s creepy as hell. Right.
Christa Innis: There was this skit, I don’t know if you watch SNL. There was the, did you see, um, oh, who hosted the Timothee Chalamet one? No, I haven’t seen it.
This last weekend? Okay, you have to watch it, but there’s one about that, but it’s extreme, like the Oedipus Complex. It’s about like Mother’s Day and like the sun being like, hey mom. I don’t know, it’s like. I,
Saron Olkaba: I’m horrified that I’m going to be looking this up just immediately after we get off this.
You need to.
Christa Innis: It was like a cringe, but I was like. It’s like way over the top, but it was like some of these moms, yeah, I could see it. I find
Saron Olkaba: It’s like, once you meet this psycho mom, mother in law, right? How, and you see that this man sees nothing wrong with their relationship and kind of encourages it and won’t ask her.
How are you still attracted to this man that might want to f*ck his mom? Like, I, how do you not, how do you not get the ick immediately and run away from, like, self preservation?
Christa Innis: Yeah, like, cause this is, my thing is, this is not the first time something like this has happened. She had given signs before they got engaged, or when they first met, like, I’m thinking, like, first dinner at a parent’s house.
Every girlfriend
Saron Olkaba: had a book before
Christa Innis: him, before her. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, like, what were the signs before? Yeah, because it wasn’t like, oh, they’re engaged now, they’re serious, now my real, like, craziness is gonna come out. Like, I feel like she had to have treated her poorly before this.
Saron Olkaba: Right. And the sister in law is also a b*tch as well.
Christa Innis: Yeah, what’s the deal with that? Okay, three days after the wedding, she texted my husband saying she wanted to talk about my behavior at the wedding. What? He told her he wouldn’t have that conversation without me there, and she refused. A few days later, she blocked me on social media and deleted my husband?
So what her behavior was like having boundaries and like, No, expecting her
Saron Olkaba: parents to be able to sit in the front row. Yeah. And not allowing some, uh, the friend of a co-worker of her neighbor’s nephew to come last minute. Those were the things. Right. Those were the things.
Christa Innis: Yeah, it’s, it’s. Those are really harsh to have.
I mean, maybe blocking on social media and deleting the husband is like the best thing, because then you guys can’t see her on social media. I wouldn’t have said a thing
Saron Olkaba: about that.
Christa Innis: I would have
Saron Olkaba: said,
Christa Innis: great. I’m like, awesome. Yeah, you saved it. Saved, saved me from doing it. When I tried reaching out, she called my husband crying.
Here we go. The victim said she’d been crying every day because of how I treated her. When he defended me like a good, she hung up because she realized he was gone. He is not, he’s not backing you up anymore, crazy mom. He is now
Saron Olkaba: someone else’s husband. Not yours.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Not yours. Finally, my husband texted her saying she had two options.
Have a conversation or lose him. She replied, I guess I won’t be seeing you anymore then. I mean, I would say hallelujah.
Saron Olkaba: I would be like, I’m so sorry, babe. Yeah. It’ll be like, we’ll, we’ll get this. It’s just trying to keep my face straight. Okay.
Christa Innis: I know. I feel like the petty in me, I’d be like, I’d text her, I’d be like, well, have a great life. Best of luck. Yeah. Honestly, like I’m, I’m relieved, you know, and I really hope they don’t like to contact her.
And I hope it’s just like left that way because this, like we were saying, this mother in law would make her life a living hell.
Saron Olkaba: Yeah. But like do, like crazy mother in laws like this, like just like let it, like let things go. Oops. I know, did
Christa Innis: She came creeping back? It’s over, yeah, right. They’re not that easy to get rid of, I’m
Saron Olkaba: pretty sure.
Christa Innis: I wonder how, like, soon this, how soon she sent me this story after it happened. So, like, if this was, like, that day or, like, a week later.
Saron Olkaba: Yeah, we might need a, a, uh,
Christa Innis: Yeah, we might need her to like to follow. Yeah, we need to follow up. We need one of those episodes where it’s like you tell us like everything that has happened since.
Did she really not speak her word? Um, because yeah, it could be that victim mentality of like, fine, I guess I’ll never see you again. You know, so dramatic. Yeah. They show up at the front door. Let’s make up. But big
Saron Olkaba: romantic gesture.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Come back. Running back to them. Um, well that was a crazy story.
Um, really hoping that this, um, bride woman, um, got some stronger boundaries away from this mother in law because if she comes crawling back, you know, it’s, it’s going to be worse. I don’t think this, this woman’s not realizing what she’s doing wrong. Yeah.
Saron Olkaba: Yeah. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. There’s.
Saron Olkaba: I mean, honestly, this ended the best case scenario for me.
Like ideally if she, I mean, this is your best chance at peace, ma’am. So let’s just continue praying every night that she sticks to no content and contact, and you can live your life peacefully because she sounds. Absolutely horrible. But like, is your husband sad about it?
Christa Innis: I don’t, that’s not your problem.
Yeah. Yeah, I’m glad the husband I hope he kind of realizes like showing up at that dinner without her was kind of weird. Because it seems like later on in these stories, he’s defending her more. So I’m like, okay, maybe he went and was like, okay, the way my mom’s acting is weird. Yeah, it was
Saron Olkaba: weird for me to go to a wedding with, about, without the bride that I’m marrying.
Yeah, perhaps. That’s, that’s
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Saron Olkaba: That was weird. That was weird. Let’s do that. Jesus. Frig it. That was insane.
Christa Innis: That was, yeah. So, uh, props to you for keeping your boundaries up and I just hope it stays that way and, and uh, your husband realizes that. He needs to back you up first.
Saron Olkaba: Yeah, let us know if, um, if she stays out of your life.
I pray that she does. Yeah,
Christa Innis: yeah, I think I need to do, like, uh, there’s so many stories on here that I, like, need follow ups with, so I feel like I need to reach out to some of these people and be like, a follow up episode and, like, share what’s been going on since, since they sent it. Cause this was 2024, so we’re talking seven months later now.
Hopefully seven months of peace
Saron Olkaba: and quiet. So much peace and quiet. It’s like your first seven months being married. I would imagine you just want to enjoy that. You do want someone tainting every big life milestone. Every time you have kids, she’s going to make it a problem. Like, every holiday. Like, you’re literally signing up to never enjoy anything, almost, like, ever again.
Best case scenario is that she eliminates herself from the situation. Yeah.
Christa Innis: And she can feel like a victim all she wants and you can live your best life. So
Saron Olkaba: 100%. Yeah.
Wedding Confessions & Unfiltered Reactions
Christa Innis: Yeah. Okay. All right. So I like to end this with a weekly confessions game. So people send their confessions and we kind of just We can rate them.
Sometimes it’s kind of weird rating them because I feel like, I’m like, oh, your confession wasn’t great. So, um, we can rate them if we want. But, um, so people send these ones. Here we go. Um, my sister in law got mad she wasn’t my maid of honor and then questioned all of my wedding decisions.
Saron Olkaba: Uh, she sounds awful.
Uh, no wonder she was not your maid of honor. And you sound like you have discernment, ma’am. So,
Christa Innis: yeah. Sounds like she didn’t even know you knew why.
Saron Olkaba: You’re not allowed to. You’re not allowed to get mad at people for the choices that they make in their wedding, right? Like, if she feels that someone, she wanted to have someone be her maid of honor that’s not, like, her, what she did was her being honest.
Her changing her mind is just doing it to placate you. Why would you want that? Let her have whoever she wants beside her. If you’re her sister and you love her, whatever, make sure she has the day that she wants and it’s not about you. It’s literally not about you.
Christa Innis: Yeah, totally agree. Um, oh, this one tells a couple not to marry each other.
We begged, um, was begged by so many people up until the wedding to stop it. So I don’t know what the outcome was. I did see one similar, maybe this is the other part of it, but I did see one similarly where she said they still got married and she still regrets, like they still like regret, regret it or something.
Um, letting it happen? Yeah, yeah, she said she liked to tell a couple, yeah.
Saron Olkaba: You have to be okay with every possible outcome. You gotta play this every way, you know, like if I tell her and she is, Like, f*ck you, I never want to speak to you again. Is this worth me potentially losing my friendship? Is this, are his, are the problems with him big enough or dangerous enough that it’s worth risking her reacting poorly and me losing her and her being like, even more isolated with this person?
Like, you just have to think that through. Some, like, some hills are not worth dying on and others are. You just have to trust your gut. I know.
Christa Innis: Yeah, like, I’ve definitely been a part of a wedding where she Was very unhappy and you could tell it was, like, a bachelorette party. They were, she was very upset. Like, I don’t want to go through with this.
And we’re like giving her support, like, Hey, we’re here. Like, you don’t have to do it. Like I’m talking like the night before the wedding, like after the rehearsal dinner, crying in the car with us and long story short, they got a divorce. So like. It didn’t work out. And, um, Were there signs? There were lots of signs.
Lots of signs. I think you’re right. Like,
Saron Olkaba: literally weeping the night before your wedding. Yeah. Not of happiness is
Christa Innis: Yeah. Well, that’s the thing. It’s like, So we could have been like, no, you’re not gonna marry him. Like, we’ll beg, you know. But it’s like, ultimately, it was her decision. Like, she was worried, more worried about like, you know, vendors that they already paid and this and that.
And it’s just like
Saron Olkaba: Vendors? That’s like a couple emails and you just gotta be, okay, eating, believe me, I’ve done it before, eating like tens of thousands of dollars, not great, but like, but like that versus, divorces are more expensive, first and foremost. Yes. If you, if you have something worth losing and also like, just don’t, if you have the Ability to stop the train.
Stop the f*cking train.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Saron Olkaba: Yeah. As quickly
Christa Innis: as possible.
Saron Olkaba: Okay, like, don’t wait to get so far down the road.
Christa Innis: Yeah, did you see the girl who went viral because she was left at the altar? Like, literally the most terrible, like, humiliating thing, right? But she turned it into, like, this fabulous party and they documented the whole thing and I was like, you go girl.
Like, she like I don’t even know, like, she went viral of, like, sharing this, like, amazing video of herself dancing at the wedding, and, like, I was like, yeah, you know what? That’s what you do. You turn up, you have a great party, that’s what you gotta do. I saw
Saron Olkaba: That, and you’re 100 percent correct. She is, like, the strongest.
She’s, like, an inspiration. She completely turned it around, um, and, like, when something that, like, that happens, Like, two months before, like, with me, devastating day of, I can’t even f*cking imagine, I can’t imagine, and to be able to, like, to find some joy in that day, and like, actually Realized that, oh, there are a bunch of people here that really love me.
And this is like a very sad or scary moment for me. And I could either isolate myself and, and kind of immediately start dwelling in it. Or I would like to try and make the best of it with all these people who adore me and want to see me happy. And it was just, it was incredible to watch. And she’s an inspiration.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I love that. I’m like, I don’t know. I don’t know how it acted at something like that. But I’m like, she’s yeah, definitely an inspiration in that aspect. Um, well, that is all I have planned for today. Thank you so much for coming on. It was so fun chatting with you. Um, I love your content. I love all the stuff you talk about.
Like I said, I feel like I get all my like pop culture, like what’s going on in the world from you. Um, so can you share with everyone where they can find you any fun things you’re working on and all that good stuff?
Saron Olkaba: Yeah, um, you can find me at saronthings, S A R O N, things, um, on TikTok and on, uh, Instagram.
I’m going to be starting a YouTube series soon, um, two 30 minute pop culture breakdowns a week, so stay tuned for that, but yeah, I’m mostly on, uh, Instagram and TikTok.
Christa Innis: Awesome. Well, thank you again so much for coming on. Yeah, it was so fun. It was so great chatting with you. Right. Awesome.
Wedding Doubts, Cowboy Boots, and a Mother-in-Law Meltdown with Jen Glantz
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What starts with a pair of cowboy boots ends with a family secret you definitely won’t see coming.
This week, I’m joined by returning guest Jen Glantz, founder of Bridesmaid for Hire, and we dive into one WILD wedding story. Cowboy boots. Bridesmaids quitting. A drunken mother-in-law speech. Accusations about money. And then, just when you think you understand the drama, a shocking family secret changes EVERYTHING. Because, spoiler alert, this wasn’t about the boots.
We also talk about motherhood, social media boundaries, finding your village, and what 12 years of working as a professional bridesmaid has taught Jen about love, marriage, and those terrifying last-minute cold feet. What would you do if you said, “I don’t wanna do this,” right before walking down the aisle?
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Finding Your Village — Christa and Jen reflect on how some of their closest friendships exist entirely online and why community doesn’t always have to be local.
- When Cold Feet Get REAL — Jen has seen firsthand what happens when someone questions their marriage right before walking down the aisle—and one story still haunts her.
- Put the Phone DOWN — Christa and Jen talk motherhood, social media, comparison, and the very real struggle of being present when your entire digital life is sitting in your hand.
- 12 Years of Wedding Drama — As the founder of Bridesmaid For Hire, Jen has watched hundreds of relationships up close. She shares what those weddings taught her about marriage and choosing the right person.
- This Isn’t About the Cowboy Boots — Two sisters-in-law suddenly drop out of the wedding over dresses and cowboy boots. But Jen immediately sees what Christa sees: there is something much bigger going on here.
- The Mother-in-Law Takes the Mic — A rehearsal dinner speech takes a wildly inappropriate turn when the mother-in-law gets drunk, drops multiple F-bombs, and claims she’s responsible for the couple meeting.
- When Family Drama Gets DARK — What initially looks like toxic in-law behavior takes a heartbreaking turn when the couple discovers the mother-in-law has been struggling with a serious addiction.
- The Money Mystery Finally Makes Sense — The couple eventually discovers why the father-in-law thought they were lying about the rehearsal dinner costs—and the truth is even messier than they expected.
- Protective Mom or Future Problem? — Jen and Christa debate how they’ll handle their daughters dating someday. One wants to be welcoming. The other is already preparing to become a problem.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “If I have to choose between being present with my daughter or filming, I’m gonna be present.” – Christa Innis
- “Sometimes I literally will be scrolling, and I’m like, I need to go outside and physically touch some grass right now.” – Christa Innis
- “It’s so good to be authentic to you, because I think especially in social media, it’s so easy to get caught up on, ‘Oh, well, that’s what they do. So I should do that too.’” – Christa Innis
- “I feel like a lot of it stems from insecurity and control.” – Christa Innis
- “He needs to be standing up for her and on the same page as her.” – Christa Innis
- “I want my daughter to feel comfortable bringing people here, and I wanna be, like, fun.” – Christa Innis
- “If the line gets crossed and my daughter says, ‘They did this to me,’ I will never forget.” – Christa Innis
- “This isn’t about the dress and the boots.” – Jen Glantz
- “You can choose who you marry, you can’t really choose their family.” – Jen Glantz
- “If you are engaged and you’re not sure, it is okay if you go through with it. It’s also okay if you decide to call it off.” – Jen Glantz
- “You are so brave either way, truly.” – Jen Glantz
- “I wanna live our lives, and just like you, make content when she doesn’t see me do it.” – Jen Glantz
- “When you’re home all day and you’re attached to your phone, you live in all these alternate realities and you kind of lose yourself a little bit.” – Jen Glantz
- “You’re not gonna be able to win this race yourself.” – Jen Glantz
*This conversation is for entertainment and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Please seek a licensed professional for your specific situation.
About Jen
Jen Glantz is the founder of Bridesmaid for Hire, the world’s first professional bridesmaid. What started as a Craigslist ad turned into bestselling books, a podcast, and a career helping people navigate everything from wedding-day chaos to friendship drama and life’s biggest milestones.
Now a wife, mom, entrepreneur, and storyteller, Jen is passionate about embracing adventure, finding the humor in life’s unexpected moments, and keeping it real through every season. Whether she’s talking weddings, motherhood, or relationships, she’s all about helping people laugh through the chaos and create stories worth telling.
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Christa: Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Here Comes the Drama. I’m your host, Christa Innis, and if this is your first time listening, we are the podcast that dives into the drama, hilarity, and unforgettable moments when it comes to weddings, events, and beyond. We always react to wild stories, we have confessions, and I have guests come on and share some wild stories of their own.
so today’s guest is someone that has truly seen it all when it comes to weddings. She’s actually been on the podcast before, and we had so much fun last time, I just had to have her back on. Jen Glantz is the founder of Bridesmaid for Hire, the author of Finally the Bride, and the host of the 1-800-Bridesmaid podcast.
After spending years stepping in as a professional bridesmaid, she’s witnessed the chaos, the drama, and unforgettable moments that happen behind the scenes of weddings. Today, we’re diving into her journey and the lessons she learned while writing her book, talking about motherhood, parenting, and reacting to a wild story that someone sent in to me.
She also shares some wild stories of her own, so that’s, always fun because she’s been a bridesmaid hundreds of times. Yes, hundreds. also, you’ll notice a quick interruption in the middle. For you, it’s not gonna feel like anything, but for us, it was over a month because we had a slight weather, issue interrupting.
there was a tornado warning that went on in the middle of recording. So, we just jumped right back in to where we were. Anyway, without further ado, please enjoy this episode with Jen Glantz.
Christa: Hi, Jen. I know we were- Hi … I know we were just talking, and I was like, “I should just start recording,” ’cause I was like, I feel like we’ll just start talking for, like, the next hour, and I’ll be like- … “Wait, we should probably record it.”
Jen: No, I feel like I could talk to you forever about topics all over the world, but especially weddings, and life, and family stuff.
Christa: Yeah. I know. I love that. I feel like we’re in very, like, similar areas of, like, what we do, and so it’s so fun. And when I was thinking of, like, guests to, like, reach out to and come back on, I was like, “Oh, we had so much fun.” I remember last time we were just, like, chatting, like, our daughters are about the same age, so we’re in that same stage of, like, parenting, and I was just posting about, like, finding your village.
And, like, whether that’s, like, close or far, I feel like it’s just nice to know people in, like, similar stages. It just, that community.
Jen: Yeah, I don’t know about you, but, like, so many of m- my best friends or even people I talk to all the time don’t live in my city. Like, most of my friends live everywhere else, and I feel like that’d be so weird 10 years ago, but now I feel like it’s kind of more the norm.
And it’s, it’s hard to find people in your own neighborhood sometimes who are going through what you’re going through. But some of the coolest people, and people I’ve become the closest with, are people I have never even met in person. Like, we’ve never met in person, but I feel like I know so much about your life.
Motherhood, Social Media And Touching Grass
Christa: Yeah. It’s, it’s a wild time. I know. I feel like with, like, social media and, like- Just internet. I don’t know, like I… Same thing too, it’s like I’ll start talking to people on here and I’m like, “It’s so weird. I’ve never met you in person.” But like, we have great conversations, and we chat on social media, or like I send messages and…
Wild, but it’s
Jen: fun. It’s the pa- it’s the good side of social media and the internet- Yeah … is meeting really cool people. Like, I feel like I waste six plus hours a day on my phone doing God knows what, but then like the positive is that maybe it leads me to people like you, so I’m gonna keep wasting so much of my life on the phone.
Christa: Yes, I know. I know, and it’s… Do you find, too, it’s like with like, like with parenting and stuff, it’s like we’re able to like do more when we’re like out and about, so it’s like finding that like boundary. Like, I could be like at the park and I’ll just quickly send something on my phone or like send an email.
So I feel like I’m more present because I’m able to like do things from different places, but then it’s also like shutting that part off, like not thinking about it. I don’t know if you have a hard time with that like overlap, like-
Jen: It’s so hard because having your phone next to you is so easy. Like sometimes I’ll be with Gemma and I’ll be reading her books, we’ll be doing lunchtime, and my phone’s right there just so I can check the time.
But then of course I’m getting texts and I’m checking email, and then something interesting will come in on the phone, and I’m, she’s talking to me. I’m reading, but I’m also like thinking about what’s on my phone, and my brain is going in this weird circle, and- Mm-hmm … it’s dangerous because sometimes I feel like you can never really turn off the work or the access to your digital life, even when you’re with them.
And the hardest part is she’ll say to me, like this is so embarrassing, but she’ll say to me at least once a day, “Mommy, get off your phone. Put your phone away.” And I’m like, oh my God. She’s at an age now where she sees it, she knows it, and even soon she’s gonna think that it’s me going to my phone over her, and I have to get better at that.
Christa: Right. Well, yeah, but it’s, and it’s also, like I always think about, you know, they’re getting more like aware of it, but I also think about like how it used to be is like they only had like a desktop or they went away to work, so they were away for, you know, eight to 10 to 12 hours at the office. Then they’d come home for dinner.
Like, you know, the typical or the standard like working parent, right? Um, or even if they had an office at home. Like, my dad worked from home, but he was in the office, had the door shut, was in there. Um, but a lot of p- lot of kids I knew didn’t have their parents, you know, working from home. And so I think about like how, I know it’s different, but it’s like they s- they physically see us-
Jen: Yeah
Christa: sending the email, where as opposed to before we’d be like in the other room, door shut. So I know, it’s, it’s such a new phase we’re kinda in of like figuring out like, okay, how do we set boundaries, but also like- It’s nice to be able to, like, send a quick email and be physically out there with my child. I don’t know.
Parenting In The Work-From-Home Era
Jen: It’s so hard. I know. It’s so hard. I don’t- Uh, my schedule is I will wake up at, like, 6:00, and I’ll, I’ll try to work from, like, 6:00 to 9:00. But during those, those hours, I’m still with her when she wakes up. I’m still making her breakfast, and I’m carrying my computer with me, so she’ll wake up and the first thing she sees is me on the computer, and it’s like, it’s so hard that they’re now more aware.
But the trade-off is if I get all my work done by 9:00, I can be more present with her throughout the day, and I really love and I’m so grateful that I can have this life where I can do both things with her. But the… I don’t know how you feel about this, but the one thing that kind of I’m trying not to do is have her watch me film myself because I feel like that’s such a weird thing for her to see is, like, me talking to the camera and putting on a bit of a show.
I mean, how do you do it? Because a lot of what you do- 100% … are these skits, are these fun things that you’re talking directly into the camera.
Christa: Yeah, 100%. No, I… It’s funny because I was gonna make a video about this because- The number of times people are like, especially with series, they’re always like, “Do the next part.
Why, why it takes you so long?” And I’m like, “Ugh, you want a camera on me showing me all the things I do in between?” And I’m like, so one thing is I do not film in front of my daughter. Yes. Like, she does not see anything I post. I don’t like… Like, there, like sometimes if she, like, sees my computer she’ll be like, “Oh, what’s that?”
I’m like, “Oh, it’s just from a video for this,” whatever. But she’ll never, like, see me. I only film, especially, like, the first, I wanna say like year of her life at least, maybe even more, I only filmed at night when she was already in bed.
Jen: Wow.
Christa: And so I was like b- like exhausted. I’d be up late. Sometimes my husband would still be, like, at, at work at that point or he’d be home and I would just be, like, filming in the ba- And that’s why I filmed in the bathroom.
People are always like, “Why’d you film in the bathroom?” I was like, it was far enough away from my daughter’s room, great lighting, and I, it was like once she was in bed. And so, um, and that’s the other thing too with filming is like if I have to choose between, like, being present with my daughter or filming, I’m gonna be present.
Yeah. And so I just have to find the right time, and it’s usually gonna be nap time or when she’s already in bed. Um-
Jen: I feel the same way. Yeah. When before she was born I was like, I’m gonna be this mom influencer, and I’m gonna chronicle my whole life having a kid and show my kid and be this influencer.
And when I was pregnant my friend with four kids was like, “I just wanna bring you back down to Earth and tell you, like, that means you’re always gonna have a phone in your face, in their face.” Mm-hmm. “And that’s gonna be kinda strange.” And I was like, “No, no, no, no, no.” But then the second she was born and I started to be like, okay, you know, I just gave birth and then she’s in the video and I’m, I’m acting.
I’m being myself, but of course I’m turning it on a little bit more. I was like, “This is not for me.” Mm-hmm. I don’t want my daughter to see me with a phone in my face all the time. I don’t want the phone in her face all the time. Like, there’s times I’ll, you know, take a video of her and I’ll even have both of us in the video, but it’s rare.
And most of the time I don’t post it ’cause I’m like, this is performative. This is weird. She’s not agreeing to this. Ah. Like, it’s just, it’s too much.
Christa: Mm-hmm, weird.
Jen: But I quickly was like, I actually wanna spend less of my private life on social media because- Yeah … I don’t wanna walk around, you know, with a smile being like, “Hey, everyone, look at, look at our lives.”
I wanna live our lives, and just like you, make content when she doesn’t see me do it and doesn’t see me post it because- I don’t know, it just, it just didn’t feel authentic to me. I know people do it and they do it so well, but when I tried to do it, I’m like, “This is just not what I want for my life.” And it just completely shifted my content strategy.
Christa: Yes. No, totally. It’s funny because, like, we’ll go on a vacation or something and I’m like, “Oh, I should film, like, some content or something.” But I’m so uncomfortable with filming out in public, so, like, if I do anything, it’s like I’m filming, like, towards, like, the ground showing, like, oh, this is, like, a cool, like, mountain side or it’s a cool beach or whatever, and I’ll just, like, throw it in somewhere.
And I’ll always look back and I’m like, I took, like, no videos. And I don’t post my child online at all. And so I’ll be like, I took, like, no videos because I just, I don’t wanna be that person that’s, like, they’re, like, doing, like, a little family vlog. Like, and again, not shaming anyone. That’s… Some people do it great.
Yeah. That’s just not me. I don’t consider myself, like, influencer. I just not, that’s just not my… I always laugh at it, ’cause I, I always try to w- I want to do cont- or, like, not do content, but have, you know, B-roll type stuff so I can, like, use it for stuff later, and I’m so bad at remembering. Like, in the moment my brain’s just, like, like, bouncing all over the place.
Jen: But this is how it shows how you’re such an authentic content creator with what you do, because you create videos that are very much you and you’re… I, I’d say you’re not trying to be someone else, but in the videos you are being someone else. But it’s, it’s acting, it’s skits, it’s things like that. But you’re not creating content that feels weird to you and inauthentic to you, and I really respect that because I do think a lot of people are s- are pushed to be like, “Okay, I’m gonna be doing things outside like this.”
Authenticity Over Algorithms
And if it doesn’t feel right for you, then you shouldn’t do it because it’s never gonna show up and feel right for people watching it if it doesn’t feel right for you to do.
Christa: Exactly. Yeah. And I worked in, like, social media marketing for, like, many years. Like, I think it’s go- we’re going on, like, 13 years now.
Before I even, like, had this account, and that was always my thing. I would say, I actually worked for a mommy brand. I, I would always be like this f- if something felt inauthentic or felt like fakey or cheesy, I couldn’t post it. I would, like, spend all this time editing. I’d watch it and be like, “I can’t post that.”
Yeah. “That does not feel real.” I hate sell-y and I hate, like- Like pretending, like obviously I do the act, like the skits, but everyone knows it’s like- Yeah … right, skits. But if I was like, “Oh my gosh, everyone should get this water bottle because blah, blah, blah,” and like I watch it back and I’m like, “That doesn’t sound right.
I’m not gonna post that like, that I want it,” you know?
Jen: The amount of times I’ve posted something and then I’ll take a shower and be like, “Wait a second. I don’t like that. That doesn’t feel right. Like now that it’s out there, it doesn’t feel right.” I run out of the shower and delete it. Like, if you follow my social media so closely, I’d say like 50% of the things I post, within an hour I take down because I’m like, “This doesn’t feel right.
What’s the agenda behind this? Like this is just, it’s just not right.” And that’s the beauty of being able to delete it, but I feel you. Like if it doesn’t feel right, I can’t sleep at night knowing that it’s living out there on the internet for people to see. And if that… I, I post a lot less now than I did before I had my daughter because- doesn’t feel right sometimes, and I just, I don’t do it.
Christa: Yeah. But that’s so good, too, about being authentic to you, ’cause I think especially in social media, it’s so easy to get caught up on like, “Oh, well that’s what they do. That’s how they post. So I should do that too,” or, “If I wanna look like them, I should probably do this.” And it’s so good to like, you know the phrase, like touch grass.
Like sometimes I literally will be scrolling, I’m like, I need to go outside and physically touch some grass right now. And I’ll leave my phone inside, and I’ll go on a walk with my family. And I’m like, I feel a million times better. ‘Cause it’s just like you get caught in that like comparison zone of like, oh, do I need to be doing this?
And then I’m just like, Christa, turn it off. Like-
Jen: Yeah …
Christa: walk away, ’cause
Jen: that’s a big not.
Christa: No, I,
Jen: I love the touch grass thing. I need to start doing that some more. Because seriously, like when you’re home all day and you’re attached to your phone, you live in all these alternate realities and like you kinda lose yourself a little bit.
Like whenever I go on TikTok for more than 10 minutes, I completely lost myself. I’m down all these rabbit holes that I shouldn’t be down. I feel more anxious, I feel sad, I feel all of these things. And I’m like, wait, what did I just learn or what did I just get from being on TikTok for all of this time?
It’s so addicting, but it really changes your brain chemistry, and I see how it affects me. And I tried to like go off TikTok for like a week, and I feel noticeably better. I feel like my anxiety is down. So yeah, I think sometimes you get sucked in these rabbit holes. And also like as a mom, and if you’re home with your child all day, like you have periods where you’re like, I’m kinda lonely.
She’s independently playing. I kinda need some type of dopamine hit. Social media’s there, and I find myself just going and scrolling. And I’m like, oh man, I could have used this time for something so much better that would’ve made me feel better.
Christa: Mm-hmm.
Jen: But yeah, sometimes as a mom you just kinda feel lonely, and that’s your way of connecting, and it’s- it’s- it’s real, but it’s also weird.
Christa: Right. And, and social media has a way of like, you’re like, oh, I’m learning something or I’m like-
Jen: Yeah …
Christa: oh, this new hack. Yeah. I know. I find that really interesting about like, um… Well, it’s funny ’cause before kids, like, um, I was like super good about like texting back right away and emailing back right away, and I was like, I would always have this like log right here.
I’m like, oh, I gotta get back to that person, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And now I know, like, how I can so easily… Especially with, like, ADHD, I’m like, I can, I can so easily get down that rabbit hole of, like, I, I pick up my phone to text someone back, and then before you know it I’m scrolling. So I will admit it right now, I’m so bad at texting back because I, I will remember, but it might not- Yeah
be till the next day or two. But, like, I’ll see a text and I’m like, “I can’t. I cannot even open the phone to look at their text right now,” because it’s gonna cause me to, like… Like, let’s say you’re trying to schedule, like, a meetup or some- like a s- like a play date or something. Then I’m like, “Okay,” then I’m looking at my calendar, then I’m doing this, and then before I know it, it’s an hour of me not working or an hour of me pulled away from something.
And so I just, like, I’m like, I hold texts till that night or the next morning. And I love when it’s another mom friend, ’cause they get it, and they’re like, “No, I’m totally understand. It’s okay.” I’m like, “I’m sorry.” The new, the old
Jen: me- Do people get upset with you? Do people… ‘Cause I, I feel like sometimes, like, some of my friends get upset, ’cause I used to be just like that.
I used to be, like, the star texter, the immediate texter. Mm. And now I’m the same way. So do people ever get upset with you?
Christa: If they do, I don’t know it. It’s- Yeah … it’s, like, my own internalized, like, “Oh my God, they’re mad at me.” So no one’s ever said to me, like, “Oh my God, you didn’t text me back.” I have had my mom a couple times be like, “Did you not get my text yesterday?”
‘Cause it’s probably like, “Are you alive? Are you okay?” Um, and I’ll be like, “Yeah, sorry, it was a really busy day and I forgot to text you back.” Um, so usually I, like, end up texting her, like, the next day, and I’m like, “Sorry, Mom.” Um, but no, I haven’t had a friend sa- say anything. I’ve had just, like, sometimes, like- Um, maybe like I don’t hear back from them for a little bit when I do text them back, and I’m like, “Sorry.”
But-
Jen: Yeah, I’m … But I’m like n- I’ve become not a texter. Like, I would much rather … Like, if a friend texts me like, “Hey, what’s going on? What’s new?” I cannot bring myself to write back anything. I’d rather pick up the phone, call you, talk to you for an hour and tell you everything, but I’m just not a texter.
I’m not a communicator like that. I feel like it’s so hard for me to express what I’m going through or what’s going on, or even like how my week has been over text. Voice notes, like I haven’t fully entered that phase with friends yet. Sometimes friends will send me voice notes, but I- I’m not there yet with communication with them.
But- Mm … I feel like as I’ve become a mom I’ve become this like old lady where I’m like, “Let’s get on the phone and, and chat.” And it’s just like, I don’t know if it’s easier for me or just better for me to communicate that way, but I, I can text you like, “I’ll see you at 8:30 PM.” I can’t text you any updates on my life.
I can’t. I can’t do it.
Christa: It’s hard. It’s hard, yeah. I’m still not a phone caller. Yeah. Every once in a while, but I would much rather … Like, I love an in-person meeting. Yeah. And I’m like, I’m that person where if we’re in person my phone’s away and let’s just like focus. Um, but again, with moms and schedules, like it might be six months from now before we can get together.
Um,
Jen: but- No, I have s- This is what people … People get on my case for not texting them back, and then if they ask me to make plans I’m like, “How’s November 5th?” And they’re like, “Wait, what?” And it’s not even ’cause I’m busy. Like, I don’t really have a lot going on, but it’s like when you have to figure out like, “Okay, I’m with Gemma these hours, these days,” like it just, before you know it, it is November 5th.
And right now we’re talking in July, so it’s like people, people get on my case for that, and it’s, it’s just part of being a mom to a young kid who’s not in school yet and all these things, and also trying to work for yourself. Like- Yeah … there’s so many external factors that just make your schedule hilarious.
But I have so many people who are like, I feel like they don’t even reach out to me anymore ’cause I’m like literally, “How’s next January 2027
Christa: look?” Right. Like, let me pencil you in now.
Jen: Yeah. Yeah. But mom friends do get it. Like, I have a couple mom friends where I’m like, “How about two months from today?”
And they’re like, “Absolutely.” And also like- Mm … you know, let’s just pencil it in. Maybe we’ll cancel it. I’m like, “I love you. We need to be friends.” Like, this is-
Christa: Yes …
Jen: cancellation policies need to exist because things happen and they pop up the day of, and I think you should be allowed to kind of back away and cancel without hard feelings.
Christa: And we’re back. For, anyone that heard the little blip in our audio, it’s because, I had a tornado warning and had to get in the basement, so
Jen: that was fun. Insane. Like, things you don’t expect to happen when podcasting. You think, “
Christa: Great.” I know. It’s like, we were talking, and I like, I noticed- Yeah … it getting darker and stuff, and then all of a sudden I was like, I heard my husband knock on my door, and I’m like, “Oh, maybe he forgot I was, like, podcasting.”
And then he, opened it and he’s like, “We gotta go in the basement.” And my daughter was napping, so we had to like- … fix the whole thing. But-
Jen: That is seriously terrifying. Yeah. And I was thinking of you the whole time, ’cause I’m like, “Oh, my God, like, what happens if the tornado blows off their roof?”
Like, you don’t know. it must be such a crazy feeling being in the bathroom like, thinking about all these things happening.
Christa: We moved to a new neighborhood, four, three or four months ago now, and a tornado went through this exact neighborhood like, four years ago.
So neighbors I’ve met, their roof was actually blown off. So it’s scary to like- That’s crazy … so everyone gets a little bit of PTSD when, tornadoes- Yeah … happen because they’re like, “Oh, this literally happened.” No, for sure. So yeah. My daughter’s happy we have a basement now, and so we’ll go into the basement.
But we’ve gone in there More times than I can count since living here but it’s all good. No,
Jen: for real. I was thinking of you, so I’m glad you guys are okay.
12 Years Of Wedding Drama
Christa: Yes. so I know we like, we love to just chat. Yeah. it’s so fun hanging out, but I feel like last time I didn’t even, tell you to, like, introduce yourself.
I know you’ve been on before. Yes. So can you remind everyone, I think it’s such a fascinating thing what you do, because I even see, when you post about, your book and stuff, people are like, “Wait, she’s been in how many weddings? What does she do?” So can you talk a little bit about what you do and how you kinda got into it?
Jen: Yeah, so I’m the founder of Bridesmaid For Hire, and that is a company that is exactly like its name. It’s a company where strangers hire me to be their bridesmaid. In 2014, I had this light bulb moment when all of my friends were getting engaged and getting married that if I could be their forever bridesmaid, why not do this for strangers who might not have any friends?
So at the time, I posted a Craigslist ad. The ad blew up, and I started working weddings for strangers. So strangers hire me, I show up, I pretend to know them from some part of their life, and I act as their best friend for the weekend. And once the weekend ends, I never see them again. It’s a crazy job.
I’ve written many books about it, but my latest book is called Finally the Bride, and it infuses stories of my journey getting married. Yay. Yay. it’s an interesting book because most of my other books are all about other people’s weddings, and this one is about my journey getting married and also what I’ve learned from the weddings that I’ve worked for the past 12 years.
Christa: Wow. So do you think, you took something kinda from each wedding and kinda like filed it away to be like, “Okay, do this. Don’t do this”? I know one of the things you talked about, like, social media and otherwise, is about how because of you being in part of so many weddings, you didn’t want a big wedding yourself.
Jen: Yeah, for sure. You know, it wasn’t so black and white where I’d go to these weddings and be like, “Well, I don’t want flowers and I don’t want this.” It was more like existential. I’m like, “Well, I don’t wanna get married if the person I’m gonna marry is, you know, somebody that I’m not gonna love forever, and I don’t know if, marriage is something I want or if a wedding is something I want.”
So like the first couple weddings I went to I’d be like, “Oh, I don’t want a white dress,” or, ” Oh, I don’t want a cocktail hour.” But then by wedding 50, I’m like, “I don’t know if I will ever fall in love or if I’ll meet somebody and know that is the kind of love I want.” Mm-hmm … the questions were so deep.
And then when I met my now husband, I put him through the ringer because I was like, “Hey, one of the biggest reasons people hire me is ’cause they have cold feet or they wanna end their engagement. So what’s to say that you and I are gonna get, meet at the aisle and I’m gonna know you’re the one?”
And I really freaked out, and it caused a lot of problems between us, and it caused a lot of delay in us even getting engaged and getting married.
Christa: Mm. ‘ Cause you probably saw so many different relationships over those years of, being a hired bridesmaid that you’re like, ” Wait, this couple is so unlikely.
Why are they getting married?” Or the couple you told me about where they made it all the way to the day of the wedding, and she’s like, “I don’t wanna do this.” And so I’m sure you saw so many different angles where you’re like, how do you know if these people are, freaking out, or scared, or they go through with it and then they regret it, or, probably hearing all those different stories.
Jen: Yeah, like one of my favorite chapters in the book is called Sometimes It Doesn’t Happen, and it talks about a couple of the weddings I’ve worked where it didn’t happen, or it almost didn’t happen. And I remember being in the car with somebody, and I was asking her, she was divorced, and I was asking her, ‘During your wedding, like, did you know you were marrying the wrong person?’
And she was like, ‘Absolutely. I remember walking down the aisle thinking, this is gonna suck to have to do again.’ she knew walking down the aisle, and actually, that’s like a common thing. Like, if you ask a lot of people who got divorced, especially who got divorced within the first five years of marriage, they knew at the wedding that this was the wrong person.
But it was almost more socially acceptable for them to go through with the wedding than to just end it a month before.
Christa: Mm-hmm.
Jen: And that happens a lot, and I don’t think you would know it. there’s a lot of people who I watched getting married who I knew behind the scenes, like something was off. But- Yeah
publicly, they seemed great, and on social media, it was like, ” I love my husband so much,” or, “I love my fiancé so much.” So you never really know, and I think that’s what freaked me out the most was, like, you would see a couple, and on paper they would look great, but behind the scenes, there was a lot of ruffled feathers.
That freaked me out.
Christa: Yeah. I just had someone on my podcast, Mary McGuffin, and she said she was engaged really young, and they had everything, paid for and ready, and she called her mom, I wanna say a couple weeks before the wedding or something, and she’s like, “Mom, I don’t wanna get married.
This isn’t my person.” And she’s like, “Everything’s paid. You’re doing it. Divorce later if you want.” And so she’s like, “We went through with it, and I knew it was wrong.” And she’s like, “Then we divorced,” and she’s like, “Now I’ve been married for, I think, 25 years to her now husband.” And she’s like, “So I knew then it was right.”
But yeah, I’m sure you’re right. Like, so many people, know in that moment ’cause they’re just like, well, everything’s paid for, and then you make it more of a spectacle of all these people are coming- Yes … and we have family coming in, and they’re relying on us, and vendors are paid, you know, all that stuff.
Jen: You know, it’s just so scary because I’m such an indecisive person. if you ask me where to go for dinner tonight, I will have a panic attack and kind of just say “You pick. whatever you wanna do.” And I cannot decide for the life of me if that’s the right or wrong decision, and a lot of what I saw were people who were really battling deeply, like, is this cold feet or is this just nerves?
And they really didn’t know. And that freaked me out because, you know, I’m married now, but when I was engaged, I’m like, “Well, I, love him. I’m pretty sure I love him, but, what if I get to the wedding day and all of a sudden everything swarms my brain and I’m like, ‘Oh, this is a bad decision?'”
Because so many people who have cold feet, it doesn’t hit them till right before they’re about to walk down the aisle. It’s almost like, you’re about to go skydiving, and you’re on the plane. You’re like, “I can do this, I can do this,” and then it’s time to jump out of the plane, and you’re like, “Wait, I can’t do this, and this is why.”
Mm. And it hits a lot of people before they walk down the aisle, and that freaked me out ’cause I’m like, “I can’t make a decision for the life of me. I’m always second-guessing myself. Like, what if I show up at this wedding and it just hits me, like Adam’s not the right person for me?” And when we got married, that was my biggest fear the whole morning, was like-
” Is that feeling gonna suddenly hit me? And if it does, like, what do I do?” and it’s because I had seen this a lot, and the average person doesn’t, like, think about it. when a person has cold feet, they really don’t have anyone to tell, so oftentimes they don’t tell anybody. It’s like a, self, internal feeling you get.
So a lot of people you know might have had cold feet, and you wouldn’t ever know.
Christa: Wow. That’s so interesting. Yeah, ’cause I feel like romantic comedies from, like, the ’90s, it was like everyone had cold feet. It’s like Runway Bride or, you know, like, they’re all, hyperventilating, and they’re like, run or whatever.
Yeah. And I was just talking to someone about this, and I’m Like, weddings I’ve been in, and then my own wedding, I’m like, I didn’t have cold feet. But I don’t know if that’s ’cause, I lived with my husband so long, so to me it was just like, just another thing that we were really excited for.
I was like, I don’t know. and unless my friends just didn’t say anything, I didn’t think they had it. But there was one friend That I may have talked about this before, but like they ended up getting divorced, but she was, in the parking lot, really upset about the wedding and was like, “I can’t do this.
I don’t think I can do this, but everything’s been paid for, so we have to go through with it.”
Jen: It’s a bunch of money
Christa: and time. Yeah, so I don’t know. I feel like a lot of it probably is nerves too, making sure the day is going right, and the timeline’s going through.
People show up when they say they’re gonna show up. There’s a lot riding on the day.
Jen: Oh, beyond… You know, one of the stories that haunts me, like sometimes I’ll wake up in the middle of the night and I’ll think about this, is on New Year’s Eve, I once worked this wedding, and everything was going pretty well.
Like, the bride was in good spirits. Everything was fine, and then we’re all lined up to walk down the aisle, and before she goes down the aisle, she starts hysterically crying. And she goes, “I don’t wanna do this. And she was kind of like holding on to, like the table for her dear life.
And her mom, who was at the front of the line about to walk down the aisle, came up to her and was like, “You will do this.” And she put her hand on her back and pushed her forward.
Oh,
Christa: wow. And
Jen: forced her down… I’m like getting choked up. Like, forced her down the aisle as she was like having a panic attack, and like I don’t know if it was a panic attack, if it was nerves, or if she was like, “I had a come to Jesus moment, and I can’t do this,” but the mom like forced her down the aisle, and it was one of the most jarring things I’ve ever seen ’cause, you know, as a parent, if my daughter said, “I don’t wanna do something,” I don’t care if I spent a freaking million dollars on it, I’m gonna grab her and say, “Let’s get the hell out of here.”
Christa: Yeah, or just let’s make it a big party.
Jen: Yeah, like, I hope that’s how I am in, 20-something years, but it was crazy. It was crazy.
Christa: Wow. That’s wild ’cause it makes you wonder, throughout their relationship, if the mom was like, “Oh, it’s fine. Just go,” you know, like, ” Go out with him.”
Mm-hmm. Or- Yeah … “Move in with him.” You know, whatever other things ’cause she would like… ‘ Cause there are certain like family dynamics where the mom is so, eager for the daughter to get married. There’s this like pressure of like, ” Oh, it’s fine. you know what? I married your father before I wanted to marry him- Right
so you should do it too.” Or like, “We all just sucked it up,” you know? And so I’ve known people like this where it’s like they felt pressure from their parents to get married young or to You know, just go through with something because their parents said to, which-
Jen: Yeah …
Christa: you know, blows my mind, but.
Jen: My only advice to anyone out there is, if you are engaged and you’re not sure, it is okay if you go through with it. it is totally okay if you get married and you go through with it. It’s also okay if you decide to call it off. I honestly think you are so brave either way, truly. The one thing I will beg you to do is not sign the marriage license, because then you’re officially married.
And actually, a lot of people don’t sign the marriage license before they get married because nobody would know, and it’s okay to do that. So if you’re having these feelings, just don’t sign the legal document, ’cause then it’s gonna be a lot harder to go your separate ways, and that’s a whole other conversation.
So you know what I would do, is I would delay getting it so that maybe there’s some errors. It’s actually, like, kind of hard to get. There’s a lot of steps. I would kind of put off getting the marriage license till, right before the wedding and then realize you can’t.
You can do this, by the way, if you have an officiant that’s, a little bit more laid back, and is kind of- Right … getting your vibe. So put off signing the marriage license or, once you get the marriage license if you have it, you can be like, ” I know that we have to sign this, but, like, there’s no rush to sign it on our wedding day.
I wanna do a little bit more research with you after the wedding when we can sit down to make sure that, we know what marriage is gonna change for us and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.” Mm-hmm. Put off signing the marriage document because then it’s easier to cut ties down the road. Or after the wedding if you’re like, “You know, the wedding pressure’s over and I love this person, I feel much better,” then you can sign it.
The wedding can still happen without the marriage being real.
Christa: Right. Yeah, ’cause sometimes, like, the nerves of, the wedding day and stuff can kind of hinder maybe how you’re actually feeling about- The relationship and everything thus far, and with all these other voices coming in, for sure. awesome.
I know we need to get to the story, ’cause I know we’ve got, a cutoff too, and I don’t wanna, take up too much of your time. Oh, no. But where can everyone get your book, Finally the Bride? I know … And it also starts off with a shocking story that I wanna ask you about.
Jen: Mm.
Christa: And this won’t spoil anything.
I don’t … I think it’s on-
Jen: No, yeah, you can yes.
Christa: Where, the psychic told you, you’re never gonna find love. Did you go back to her? I don’t remember if it says.
Jen: You know, I went to the singles party, and the biggest perk of the singles party was getting to meet with the psychic. I’m a sucker for a psychic.
I just paid $200 for a pet psychic for my dog- … to talk to my dog and tell me what she was saying. Biggest waste of money. But I’m, actually going to another pet psychic next week. I am a sucker for psychics.
Christa: Yeah.
Jen: So the singles party has a psychic, and I go, and she sits down, and she’s like, “I have bad news for you.”
And I’m like, “What the hell?” what could she possibly say?
Christa: You’re like, “This is not what I paid for.”
Jen: Yeah. And she’s like, “You’re never gonna find love. Like, you’re gonna be miserable just like me.” And I’m like, “This has to be some type of, like, April Fools’ Day prank.” You’re like, “What are you…” Like, she’s a comedian.
She’s telling everyone here this. And it turns out, I verified with other people, she didn’t. So she basically, looks at me and tells me I’m never gonna find love, and I’m the kinda person that when you tell me I can’t do something, I do it to an extreme. So basically her saying that to me, like, dotted the line to me meeting my now husband, Adam, in a very weird type of way.
So it was kind of a blessing in disguise I didn’t realize at the time. But I never went to her again, but I did email her, and told her that what she told me actually changed my life. Never heard back from her. Yeah. but it was bizarre, ’cause, like- You know, psychics can, will tell you things, but, that was, like, a life-ruining thing that, I could have believed and just given up totally on dating.
Mm. You know?
Christa: Yeah. Yeah. Like, “Oh, I’m just gonna be miserable the rest of my life, wah, wah,” you know?
Jen: Yeah.
Christa: You’re like, “Yeah, no, I’m not going to do that.”
Jen: No. and it kind of, through a series of events that I write about, led me to Adam. But, it was just bizarre to hear that from a psychic. So that’s kind of how I open the book, and it foreshadows the kind of rough journey of me eventually getting married in a way that I never expected.
So, yeah, you can find the book on Amazon. It’s there. It’s on Barnes & Noble online, and, it’s something I’m super proud of because, you know, when you write a book, You don’t really know what it’s gonna be like till it’s all over, and the writing process took me a couple years, and I’m really proud of the book.
Christa: Yeah. And I love that it’s, like, personal stories throughout the years too because, it adds, an extra spin. And your humor in the story is so good too, ’cause it’s, like, witty, and it’s, quick.Yeah, I like, I love your style of writing, so everyone’s gotta check it out for sure, and we-
will link it below as well.
Jen: Thank you.
This Isn’t About The Cowboy Boots
Christa: Yeah. Okay, let’s get to this week’s story submission. And I mean, you know how it goes. You’ve been on here before. So let’s just dive in, see what we got. Okay. It says, “Hi there. My husband and I got married a little over three years ago, and our wedding planning experience was something.
When we first started planning, I asked my sisters-in-law if they would like to be bridesmaids. They both said yes and seemed really excited. But pretty quickly they both started calling my husband complaining about having to wear dresses and cowboy boots, saying they didn’t want to wear either.
Honestly, I wasn’t asking for much. I told them to just wear any dusty blue dress that made them feel pretty, and for shoes I suggested cowboy boots for the look I was going for. Knowing boots can be expensive and that they probably wouldn’t wear them again, I even suggested they check Walmart for cheaper knockoff versions.
Eventually the complaints stopped, so I thought the issue had been resolved. Around that time, I also tried to include my future mother-in-law in the planning. I invited her to go dress shopping with my mom and sister so she could feel included. That turned out to be a mistake. At my appointment, she made multiple inappropriate comments about the dresses, things like how certain styles would be easy or hard for my husband to get me in and out of at the end of the night.”
Jen: Mm.
Christa: That’s where it has crawled into
Jen: my second eye. Gross. Oh my God.
Christa: What?
Jen: Awful.
Christa: Like, why are you saying that?
Jen: Weird. So awful. Yeah, it seems like these three, the sisters, the mom, toxic energy. You know, you can choose who you marry, you can’t really choose their family. And unless it’s so bad, it’s not a reason not to marry that person.
But I’m nervous to see how this ends.
Christa: Yeah. So well. Yeah, that’s not starting too great. after that, I decided to not involve her in any more planning with my side of the family. Yeah, I’d be in the same boat. Yeah. Fast-forward to about six to eight weeks before the wedding, crunch time. On top of everything, my sister was also getting married six weeks before me, so it was a very chaotic time.
Two weeks before my sister’s wedding, my future mother-in-law asked my husband to talk to his dad about contributing money toward the rehearsal dinner. For context, his parents are divorced and neither of them have a lot of extra money. My husband and I had already planned to pay for everything ourselves because we didn’t want to put that stress on them Still my husband spoke to his dad, who said he didn’t have much extra to spare, especially on short notice.
We told him that was completely fine and that we only asked because his mom wanted us to. About a week later, we received a horrible text from my future father-in-law accusing us of lying and trying to use him for money. We were completely blindsided and had no idea what had happened. My husband has always had a strained relationship with his dad, so instead of escalating things, we politely told him that if he truly felt that way about us, it might be best if he didn’t attend the wedding.
Ugh. I don’t get that. So out of nowhere he comes back and says, “You’re lying and trying to use me for money,” even though all we did was ask? But
Jen: I… Do you think the mom said something to him? Like, did she get involved? Mm-hmm. It seems kind of weird that, they asked him this seemingly politely, and I’m sure it was very hard for the dad to say, Hey, I don’t have any extra money right now.”
that’s a really tough situation. But then it seems like there’s other types of, toxic energy infused in this. So, like, did the mom contact the dad and try to, get them involved, you know?
Christa: Mm-hmm. It seems like there’s more. That was my first thought too- Yeah … that the mom said something like, ” did they ask you for money?
‘Cause they asked me for money, and I think it’s gonna be expensive.” Right. You know, something like that to make
Jen: him feel bad. Something,
Christa: yeah.
Jen: Yeah.
Christa: This seems weird for him just to come out of nowhere. Out of nowhere. Yeah. The very next day, one of my sisters-in-law called and said she didn’t feel comfortable wearing a dress and boots anymore.
She was stepping down as a bridesmaid. I asked if the other sister still wanted to be in the wedding, and she said no. Neither of them wanted to do it.
Jen: Mm. You know what?
Christa: God, two things.
Jen: This isn’t about the dress and the boots.
Christa: Mm-hmm.
Jen: This is not about the dress and the boots. They don’t like you. They don’t like this.
Maybe it’s not even a you problem. Maybe they’ll never like anyone their brother is with, but this is not about the dress and the boots.
Christa: Yeah.
Jen: Mm-mm.
Christa: That’s a very simple task. That’s… No way it’s about that. Nope. There’s something deeper, or the mom is saying something behind her back- Yes.
Jen: Yes …
Christa: which would be very likely.
Jen: Yes.
A Drunk Speech Nobody Asked For
Christa: At that point, there wasn’t much I could do. Thankfully, I was able to find another friend last minute who could step in and get a dress in time. After my sister’s wedding passed, things finally seemed to calm down, and I was able to focus fully on my own wedding. Then came the rehearsal dinner. My future mother-in-law got completely hammered and decided to give a speech It’s so funny.
I, this is not- Mm … not this is funny, but I’ve done multiple, skits now about mothers-in-law giving, a random speech that, like, doesn’t like the bride, and in my mind when I do this I’m like, “This would never happen,” ’cause people would- Then you read it and I’m just like, ” Well, it happens.”
Jen: It’s crazy.
also, I feel like if you have any type of toxic family member who you know might give a speech that’s unwarranted, you have to assign someone to be on, protective duty. a big thing that I’ll do is, hide the microphones and, make sure that, this doesn’t happen because those people tend to get drunk and then say their words and, ruin everything.
Like, that’s part of their, character archetype and like you gotta stop it.
Christa: Yes. If
Jen: you know this is gonna happen, assign a friend to be, watching them to make sure that they don’t do this, and if they try to do this they just cut them off.
Christa: Uh-huh. Yeah, ’cause a bad speech can ruin a vibe completely.
1,000%. I’m sure you’ve seen it.
Jen: Yes, and, it’s like you would think, how could a person do this? But there’s narcissists and there’s people who make everything about them, so it’s not that far-fetched. it does happen, and it’s so bad and weird. So
Christa: bad. It’s wrong. Oh, my gosh. She says, “The only parts I really remember were her dropping multiple F-bombs and insisting that she was the reason my husband and I met, so we should be thanking her for our relationship.”
Wild.
Jen: You know what? mothers of sons are tough because they always say, a mother of a son, Especially if she has daughters too, like, it’s gonna be so hard to impress her. I feel like the I don’t have a son, so I don’t know, but, like, the mother-son relationship is usually really strong, and then when the son starts to, have someone serious they’re dating, I feel like a lot of the moms are, so protective, and, it’s hard for them to, really like the person at first, you know?
I’ve always just heard that, and I think it’s really hard to, let your son go. Yeah. And this kind of seems like a situation where she’s a toxic person in general, and this woman might be an amazing person. Doesn’t matter what she did or didn’t do, but this mom is just, never going to like her.
Christa: Yeah. I feel like a lot of it stems from insecurity and control. they realize they can’t fully control their son anymore. Yes. And they see he’s with a woman, presumably, you know, who will be his wife, and which is weird to have, like, a competition, but then they have this competition over it. Like, ” Oh, well, I know you better.
Oh, I did this,” and it’s okay, well, you’re two parts of my life, like, different. It’s- I’m choosing … it’s
Jen: so weird.
Christa: Yeah. The stories I get, it’s just, it’s wild.
Jen: Yeah, and there’s really nothing you can do. Like, I remember when I started dating Adam. He was like my first serious boyfriend. I was like… And I’d never met anyone’s parents before.
I was like, I need these people to love me. I need these people to think I am the greatest thing in the whole world. And then you kind of, like, act weird, and you overcompensate, and the vibes are kind of off. And in a situation like this, you’ve tried your hardest, I’m sure. At this point, I would just kind of like, for the rest of your relationship or the next couple years of your relationship, I would just show up but not overcompensate, and ‘ Cause you’re not gonna be able to win this race yourself.
Hopefully, one day she’ll wake up and realize like, oh my God, this is actually the person who’s gonna look after my son and all these things. But you really can’t change her mind till she’s ready for her mind to be changed.
Christa: Mm-hmm, yeah. And I think ultimately the son has to be the one that is a bridge and, keeps those boundaries, stands up for his wife, and, breaks up that communication or, like, makes the communication work.
Because if she’s going direct to the wife or the fiancée and saying all these things, like, the fiancée’s gonna feel, backed into a corner. It’s gonna feel very awkward and uncomfortable. So, like, he needs to be standing up for her and on the same page as her, otherwise… ‘Cause I’ve heard so many stories where, like, they’re like, “Oh, well, it’s my mom.
Well, it’s my mom.” And then they kind of just,Like, okay, well, does he not care about me? Because it’s like, he’s just gonna let his mom walk all over me or treat me this way, and it’s- And all the time
Jen: I know, and this is like one of the biggest fights I feel like Adam and I had when we first started dating was like, if something happened with his parents or like I would be like, “You need to stand up for me to your parents.”
and he’d be like, “Well, it’s my parents.” I’m like, “I know, but like that whole dynamic of like I know they’re your parents and I love that they’re your parents, but like you also need to have my back, and you need to defend me and stand up for me and stuff like that.” And like that was tough. It was really tough, especially ’cause he’s a mama’s boy, and it was really tough to be like, “Okay, what is this dynamic gonna be?
What’s your role in it?” And- Mm-hmm … it’s awkward. Like, those were some of our early fights that took a long time for us to get on the same page. And even now, how he like approaches things with his parents when it’s about me, he walks a very fine, delicate line. Mm. and I understand that, but it’s a weird dynamic.
Christa: Yeah. it’s definitely interesting. I’ve heard so many stories and it’s like I always refer to her, but Dr. Tracy was on and she has a book called… Actually, I always mess up the name. It’s like Me, You and Your- Husband’s Mother or something like that. I can’t … Now I’m gonna, I’m gonna butcher it.
But, she talks about, like, the four or five types of mothers-in-law, and she’s like, “There’s the controlling one, the-
Jen: Mm-hmm …
Christa: victim.” You know, like, she breaks it up into, like, how they act when, a new person kind of comes into the family. Yes. But she does it in, in a very, like, healthy way of like, “Okay, well, this is why they’re reacting a certain way,” and, I don’t know, talk about the communication gap.
Protective Mom Or Future Problem?
Jen: I’m just gonna say I’m not above being toxic to whoever my future child’s is with. I’m just gonna say, like, I am absolutely not above this because- … I’m so protective of her now, like, you should see how the claws come out on the freaking playgrounds. if she meets someone and she starts dating them, I am not trying to be their best friend.
I’m trying to be their worst enemy because I want them to know that, I will be watching you, and I will be hurting you if you ever hurt her. And if, God forbid, she tells me somebody she loves does something to her that’s not right, I will show up at their door. Like, I am not above being toxic in these situations, so, if part of-
Christa: Well, I don’t think you’d be toxic.
I think you’d be, like, protective. I think it’s different than toxic.
Jen: Yeah. Like, I
Christa: feel like I’m- Toxic is, like, causing drama for no reason, I would say. I would say.
Jen: Okay. yes, and there might be a little part of me that does a little bit of that ’cause I’m, gonna be, like, also mourning the fact that, she’s gonna be off with somebody else.
these are issues I’m gonna have to get a therapist to work through. Oh, my gosh.
Christa: No.
Jen: But I do think, like, I’m warm and welcoming to most people, but I will not be warm and welcoming to the people she dates.
Christa: See, I have a different approach. I want to be extra warm and welcoming- Mm … because of how I grew up.
I I was never comfortable bringing people I dated over to my house. So I felt like I had to always go somewhere else, and so I want my daughter to be like- Oh, that’s sweet … “Oh, this is the person I’m dating, and, they can come hang out, have dinner here.”
We’re gonna be like those fun parents, but not fun where, like, you can do whatever you want here, but, like- And of course, my daughter’s three. it’s gonna change- … a little bit. But you know what I’m saying. Like, this is, my vibe I want is, I want her to feel comfortable bringing people here, and I wanna be, like, fun.
They can trust me, I can trust them. But yes, if they, if the line gets crossed and my daughter says, “They did this to me,” I will never forget.
Jen: Okay, you know what? Like- Yes … you’re so right. I need to, remember this, ’cause, the key to parenting is that, you want them to come to you to tell you things, and they’re not gonna do that if you’re, acting crazy, and I am a naturally crazy acting person.
So you- Yeah … are so right. I need to sticky note this on my life, because you’re right. I’d rather her have the person here so I can watch very closely- Yes … than her and the person being so scared to come here, ’cause I’m like, “Ah.” So, yes.
Christa: Right, and like, “Oh, let’s just meet over here instead.” And yes, then they’ll come to your house.
Jen: You are 1000% right. That is, the secret of parenting that I need to, get my act together on.
Christa: Yes. For
Jen: sure.
Christa: Again, that’s my idea. it could change in, like, 10, 15 years from now. We’ll see. But-
Jen: No, I don’t think it will. I think, I’m gonna call you in 10 to 15 years and be like, “What is going on?
Are there cameras all around your house?” Like, are we- Like, what is the approach? I, this is the benefit of having a friend with a kid the same age. I’ll be like, “Let’s talk- Yes … about this new problem that we both have.”
Christa: What is going on right now? Yes, how do we handle this? I love it.
Jen: Mm.
Christa: So-
Jen: You’re gonna have to bail me out of jail in 10 to 15 years, okay?
‘Cause I’m gonna be taking a whole other approach. I’m gonna forget about this approach and take the other approach, and it won’t be good.
Christa: Oh my gosh. There’s many approaches.
Jen: Yes.
Christa: okay. It says, “The next day, the wedding day itself, she and my sisters-in-law didn’t even come say hi to me when I was getting ready.
One sister showed up wearing a sweatshirt and sweats, and the other was in leggings and a sweater for the wedding.” Okay, that’s a statement I mean, I don’t know what they normally wear, but anyone knows that you dress up a little bit, for a wedding? I mean, I don’t know what the wedding, where the wedding is, but at least put on, nice jeans.
The fact they’re wearing sweatshirt and sweatpants, that’s like what you wear to bed or lounging around your house or grocery s- shopping. They know
Jen: it. You know what? When you get dressed, you are making a statement with what you’re wearing, so they chose to do this to make a statement. However, they’re hurting themselves more than the person getting married, ’cause yeah, she’s gonna be upset, but like she’s gonna move on.
It’s every other guest that’s gonna be looking at you, talking about you, questioning what’s going on. So it’s like the statement you were trying to make isn’t gonna hit this way. Yep. And instead, it’s like just totally backfiring you. honestly, at this point, just don’t go to the wedding.
Christa: Yeah.
They, yeah, they look ridiculous. It’s the same- Yeah … if someone comes wearing a bridal gown to a wedding, like you look ridiculous. You look like a desperate housewife that, wants attention.
Jen: But it happens so often. I’m like, when you were choosing this outfit to wear today, like what was your purpose?
Because I see that so often. there’s so many weddings I go to where someone’s wearing like a white gown. I’m like, why? Just why? You know?
Christa: Yeah.
Jen: I don’t know.
Christa: it’s very odd. During the reception, my mother-in-law left multiple times to go to the gas station. Then she ended up leaving early altogether to go to a bar with her friends so she wouldn’t have to help clean up the venue.
Now, let’s fast-forward to last year. We had been no contact with my father-in-law since before the wedding, and we eventually found out that my mother-in-law had been struggling with a serious drug problem for 20 years- and had taken money from multiple people. We reached out to my father-in-law to talk through everything, and that’s when we finally learned what happened.
Here we go.
Jen: Mm.
Christa: After my husband had asked him about contributing to the rehearsal dinner, my mother-in-law had gone to him and told him that the cost we gave him was wrong, that it was actually almost double. That’s why he felt like we were lying and tried to take money from him. So there you have it.
First- We were right …
Jen: first of all, the stakes here have completely changed, and my heart goes out to everybody in this situation, including the people getting married and the mom with the drug problem, and it’s awful. This is so freaking awful, and- I just feel really bad for everyone involved in this situation, truly.
You know, when a person has such a severe drug problem, they make bad decisions, and they hurt the people they love. And They can’t see out of it. It’s not so black and white. you can’t just be like, “Why are you doing this? Stop doing this.” they are in completely other worlds.
Christa: Yeah.
Jen: And it’s so awful and hurtful, and I just feel really bad for everybody involved in this situation deeply. Right. And I’m glad they got some closure as to what happened with the dad. It sucks that relationship had to be so messed up because of a lie as well.
Christa: Mm-hmm. Yeah. It makes me wonder about, like, the sisters-in-law, like, why they still acted that way through everything,
Jen: Yeah. You know what? there’s a lot of things happening here, and I think the best thing that the couple can do is distance themselves as much as they’re comfortable, help if they can. But it added such a tough layer to the situation knowing that the mother was sick with this addiction, you know?
It’s just, like, not even just being a toxic person, she’s sick with something, so it’s heartbreaking. Mm. It’s heartbreaking. And, no one wants the happiest time of their life to be ruined by people who should be there for them. It just, it sucks. It truly sucks. Yeah.
Christa: Yeah, definitely. so last- Ugh,
Jen: God
Christa: last paragraph guys.
Jen: There’s more. How is there more? There’s one little paragraph. What else could happen?
Christa: It just says, “We later found out that my mother-in-law hadn’t even paid for the rehearsal dinner at all. It was actually my brother-in-law who had covered it, and he told us he spent almost three times what it actually cost because that’s what she told him it would be.”
So I’m wondering if, the mother-in-law was taking control of it and just told everyone what-
Jen: Yeah …
Christa: was owed, so he ended up giving her way more money. for reference, our rehearsal dinner only cost $1,500. But I guess he paid, 4,500. Is that what that is? Quick math. ” Needless to say, I never thought I’d have the crazy in-laws, but here we are.”
Jen: Yeah. Oof. I hope that the mother has gotten help. I hope that she is doing better. and I hope that maybe there’s a world in which as she gets better, she repairs some of these relationships or at least expresses that she is sorry. And, but it… Yeah, that is awful. Yeah. And not what anyone deserves, so it just truly sucks.
Yeah. And yeah, the sisters are still kind of a question mark in my head. where did you all come into play? But it does sound like it’s coming from the top, and probably the mom influenced them, and who knows what she told them. And-
Christa: Yeah …
Jen: you know, who knows? when you’re an addict, you have all these different things in motion, so, who knows what was said.
And maybe there’s- Right … a world in which this family repairs itself. But, Loaded
Christa: Yeah, I feel like if the father-in-law was so easily convinced by the mother-in-law that she also had said something to the sisters and was like, “Oh, this, you shouldn’t support this wedding,” or you know- Right … something or this was- Something
what the bride said, and yeah, so then they slowly kind of were like, “Well, we don’t want to be a bridesmaid,” or…
Jen: That’s awful. And again, like you can’t choose who you marry, and You choose who you marry. You can’t choose the family. You can just do the best you can with the family, with the most that you’re willing to do.
So the bride, like you entered all of this. You’re probably being so supportive to your husband, who is also dealing with his family. And, I just want you to know my heart goes out to you, and hopefully the next 5 to 10 years of your life don’t repeat what this whole situation was.
Christa: Yes. Yeah. Hopefully, she’s on the road to recovery and-
Jen: Mm-hmm
Christa: you know, repair relationships or at least just like get stronger with your husband and This says a year is still pretty fresh, I feel like. So time to kind of figure out who you want to allow in and how much of them you want to allow, for sure.
Jen: 1,000%. But wow, this one was loaded.
I was like, “Oh, cowboy boots. Okay.” Like, “We’ve got this.” Like, “They don’t want to wear it. Cool.” And then I’m like, “Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.”
Christa: Complete left turn. Yeah.
Jen: For real craziness, but-
Christa: Never know where we’re gonna go- Oh … with these stories.
Jen: No. My heart goes out to them.
Christa: Oh, yes. well, thank you so much for coming on.
I’m glad we were able to reconnect. I know it’s funny ’cause when I was looking at what our last recording was, we were talking about how crazy schedules are and how to reschedule. And I’m like, I’m glad it worked out.
Jen: No, you know what? Like the craziest thing was like I, when I broke my toe in July, which sounds like nothing, but like I, you broke my big toe, which you need for everything.
So like, I just couldn’t do anything, and I still have my three-year-old that I’m with a lot, and it was just like, the life just became so weird for the month of July. I was like so out of it. But I feel like I’m coming back, and August is a new place.
Christa: Yes.
Jen: And I feel like things are getting in motion again.
But yeah, broken toe, three-year-olds, can’t do anything, was tough. But
Christa: we’re good. Oh, my gosh. We’re good. Yes. Life is wild. Well, as always, it’s so good to connect with you, and everyone, check out Jen’s book, Finally the Bride, and thanks for coming on.
Jen: Thank you so much for having me. This was so fun.
Wedding Dress Drama, Surprise Showers, and the Mother-in-Law Gone Rogue
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For this episode, we’re holding late-night tea stories that make you want to put your “Hold Your Horses” T-shirt on and call it a day. I framed this episode around my birthday week, letting you all in on both the chaos of these stories and my busy schedule, along with the joy of marking another year.
I dive into three mini stories, starting with a wedding ceremony that had to be restarted because the groom’s grandparents were forgotten. Then, a maid of honor friendship falls apart after the groom criticizes her dress. Finally, we get into a mother who decides her daughter’s wedding is somehow her day too.
The main story follows a mother-in-law who completely takes over the wedding planning, from the bridesmaid group chats, bridal shower to the venue, and somehow makes the entire celebration about herself. We also wrap up with wedding confessions and a very important reminder to practice your first dance in the actual shoes you plan to wear.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- The Ceremony That Had to Start Over – A wedding where everyone forgot to make sure the groom’s grandparents were there, despite them raising him after his mother’s death.
- The Dress That Ended a Friendship – A maid of honor loses a 10-year friendship after the groom contacts her to complain that her wedding dress is too revealing.
- Apparently, It’s Mom’s Wedding Too – A mother demanded a bigger role in the wedding and insisted that she was losing her daughter.
- Meet Jolene – An overbearing mother-in-law takes over the bridal shower, and inserts herself into the bridesmaids’ group chat.
- The Shower Nobody Asked For – A mother-in-law trying to “help” turns into a church basement and a venue change that leaves guests driving over two hours.
- Thanking Herself at the Shower – “Jolene” gives a speech thanking herself and her husband before casually mentioning that the bridesmaids “didn’t do much.”
- The Wedding Was Apparently Optional – The mother-in-law shows up late and delays the ceremony so she can take photos with her son without the bride.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “ It’s a work in progress, so we can all get a little better.”
- “ Weddings and stressful occasions do things to people. But I also feel like there’s no excuse for it.”
- “ So practice your dance in the actual shoes you’re gonna wear.”
- “ The number one thing I hear is don’t waste your time on favors. .”
- “ Anyone that wants to actually host for someone is going to make sure it fits their, like, their wishes and what they like and what they enjoy.”
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Christa Innis: Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Here Comes The Drama. I’m your host, Christa Innis, and wow do I have major brain fog today. I’ve tried recording this three different times and it’s just all over the place. So today might be a little bit of a shorter episode, just because it’s currently 10:30 at night.
I still need to edit my skits. I filmed a long section today. It’s probably gonna be two or three parts. not 100% yet. Once I do the editing and stuff it kinda comes out later. Anyway, so I have to still do that. We are getting ready for a vacation that we are leaving on next week, so kind of getting all our ducks in a row for that, making sure work is, finished before we go, we’re all good to go there.
and I just wanna be fully present. I know there’s a lot of people out there that are creators and they document everything and that’s great. I’m someone that would rather be fully present. and I’ll take pictures and stuff while I’m there but I’m not likeposting stuff. I kinda just do like my away posting, so I might post some like little things while I’m gone.
and then I get back for three days and I leave again, but this time it’ll be for a solo trip. so there’s a lot going on. I feel like all of a sudden August got here and I’m like, “Oh my gosh, where is the time going?” I’m just trying to catch up and make sure I’m not missing anything. it’s just, it’s a wild time.
Tees for Tea Time
And if I seem all over the place, that’s why. I’m kinda like trying to file it all together up here. If you can see my shirt, you can only see the top here, but it says, “Hold your horses, I’m overstimulated.” It’s from, Anna Lee who does Along the Waves, on Instagram. She just has some great tips and great community for moms.
and so I fell in love with this merch and I’ve been living in this T-shirt ‘ cause it’s how I feel. I feel very overstimulated a lot of the times. And it’s funny because people comment online and be like, “Oh, where’s this next part?” And that, I’m not talking about the people that are excited making kind comments or just like they’re excited for it.
there’s always like a rough one out there that’s like, ” You only post one part,” or, “Oh my gosh, I had to wait, three days.” And I get it, it sucks when you have to wait for something. but for me it’s likeThere’s a lot of other things I’m trying to balance. Not to say other people aren’t, but this isn’t, the only thing I’m focusing on and, I like to be a very present mom.
one of the things I do that I think is very different, I don’t know, I know there’s other people out that are like this, but very different than other creators out there is I don’t film in front of my daughter at all. So the only thing that she’s maybe seen me do is unboxing if someone sends me unboxing stuff if I think it’s something that she’ll enjoy.
She’s never in the footage. She’s not a part of it. She’s usually doing something else, and she might just be in the room and kinda see it. But other than that, I don’t film any skits in front of her. I don’t, script in front of her. She doesn’t see my content. So it’s a very separate thing. So when I’m with my daughter, I’m present with my daughter.
So people from the outside might see, like, a two-minute skit online and be like, “Well, she’s got 24 hours in the day. What is she doing if she can only do a two-minute skit?” And I’ve talked about it before, but it’s like behind the scenes it’s like the writing takes a couple hours. the filming takes a couple hours.
The editing takes, you know, an hour or so depending on it all. And I don’t want this to come off as I’m complaining or anything. I just kind of like, there’s so much that goes on behind the scenes that a lot of people don’t see, and I always feel the need to explain myself, and I kind of need to like step away from that because I realize, like I’m never gonna please everybody.
No one fully knows what my day-to-day is like. No one fully knows, what I’m doing throughout my day. And if I have a chance to be fully present and go do something with my daughter, I’m going to. That’s gonna always take priority. Or if she needs me, that’s gonna take priority. all the moms out there or parents out there listening can, hopefully understand that.
By the time this episode comes out though, I will be fully back, hopefully winding down a little bit, and it will come out during my birthday week, which is exciting, but it’s not like… You know, you get to a certain age and it’s just like, “Oh, it’s my birthday. Like, cool,” and then you like let it go. I do love celebrating.
I’d love doing something small usually with my family, but I think August was always like a fun time to have a birthday. but because of that, I’m gonna do things a little bit different. Like I said, it’s gonna be a little shorter today. But I was scrolling through my Instagram one day and I realized I had a hidden folder of all these submissions that people sent me, and they’re kind of like random.
Sometimes people will reply to a story and be like, “Oh my gosh, I have to tell you what happened to me.” So I’m gonna read three random ones that I got, and then of course, the very end I will react to a wild story submission and confessions.
So let’s see what we got here. Okay. Here’s the first one. I’m also drinking my tea.
If you guys were with me for my last solo episode, I was also recording at night. This is my same bedtime tea, from Yogi. And you know what? This one has a little like tag in it. They all have a tag. It says, “Accept the challenge you are facing. It may become your greatest gift.” Ooh Think about that.
What’s your biggest challenge you’re facing?
Mine is balancing a million things and trying to stick to boundaries for my work and life, I would say. It’s like I’ll be really good one day about okay, I’m fully present with my family, and then the next I feel, guilty or like I need to catch up and, like, do other work stuff. So it’s a struggle, but, I’m getting there.
It’s a work in progress, so we can all get a little better
Okay. I always laugh at myself. I know this does not seem super, like, ordered. I do have notes, I promise, but sometimes I just like to chit-chat because these solo episodes are kind of like a chance toget it all out there and just be, real and just, chat with you guys. anyway, here we go.
Here’s the first one. “
DIY Weddings
these are ones that were sent a while back and I found in my hidden folder. So here’s, like, a fun little mini story/confessions. Okay. When my niece got married, it was a very chaotic DIY event due to her lack of planning and her mother wanting to party the night away and let everyone else set up and clean up.
Another family member, my husband and brother-in-law’s sister’s husband, came up to Connecticut from Alabama to perform the ceremony, so the entire event was at a single location. Eventually, the groom and groomsmen were all lining up. The brother-in-law performing the ceremony is all set.
The wedding march begins Beautiful ceremony. All of a sudden, it starts all over again. Nobody made sure the groom’s grandparents that raised him after his mother was killed, whoa, brutally murdered, they took him in and his sisters. They did not make sure the grandparents were in attendance before starting the ceremony.
They stayed to watch the ceremony 2.0 and left in a huff right after, rightfully so. Mother of the bride bad-mouthed them the rest of the night, and father of the bride and I got the potluck set up and cleaned up to try to help recover. Amends were later made, but you still sense the hurt and anger over not caring enough to ensure the grandparents’ presence.
Yikes. I mean, it’s hard when there’s so much going on, but you would think the person that raised you would look for them first and find them there. I don’t know if they were walking him down the aisle. I’m guessing they weren’t … Like, how would you not notice if they were walking down the aisle?
But either way, you typically have, a spot in the front reserved for someone like that. and I don’t know who was in charge of being “Okay, Grandma and Grandpa are there.” You need to, have your eye on everybody to be like, “Okay, Aunt Carol, you’re gonna watch Grandma and Grandpa. Okay, Brother, you’re gonna watch Sister and nephew,” you know, whatever that is.
but that sucks, and that sucks that they left later. I don’t know if they just didn’t come back then or what happened, but oh, geez. Okay, here’s the next one. Hi, Christa. I love your profile. I just lost a maid of honor one month before the wedding. while I was under therapy and high temperature, my husband called her to say that the dress that she bought for the church ceremony is far too provocative and revealing and not casual as invitations said, and she sent me an SMS not only canceling her coming to the church wedding, but also our 10-plus-year friendship.
Still in a state of shock as it helps to see that I’m not alone in this situation. Other people go through stress, too. Thank you
Wow. I have a lot to say about this. One, your husband never should have sent that text message, and I would be very angry at him because, one, it’s not his place to comment on another woman’s clothes, and two, especially not your maid of honor. Now, maybe you thought that yourself that she shouldn’t be wearing that dress to your wedding.
I don’t know. If she was your maid of honor, did you have a dress for her to wear, or did you say, “Pick a certain dress,” and then she picked one, but the one she picked you didn’t like, or did your husband not like it? ‘ Cause that’s a bigger issue if your husband’s like, I have a problem with your maid of honor’s dress,” and then he took it upon himself when you were in under therapy, I’m guessing you were sick maybe, and he called to say that.
I would be extremely offended if my friend’s husband or fiancé called me and said, ” Hey, your dress is too provocative. Change it.” I’d be like, ” Excuse me?” Like, one, I’m dressing for my friend. I’m not dressing for my friend’s husband, and two, you should not be commenting on it. So I feel like this message, although she’s not asking for input, but I’m just like this is, just part of what I’m doing, right?
part of this message is missing a lot. I need to know more context here. I’m kind of in support of the maid of honor. I don’t know your full friendship. I mean, 10 years of friendship, you would hopefully know each other pretty well, and you would hope you would support each other. However, that really rubs me the wrong way, the husband contacting the maid of honor and saying it’s far too revealing.
You never once say what your thought on the matter was, just what he did, and that you’re shocked that she ended the friendship. So without giving too much detail, this was sent to me over a year ago. So I wanna know if there’s a little bit of an update, and if you can give me more context to this because I need to know why he did this and why he thought it was appropriate.
Did you tell him to do this? Did you make a comment about her dress? What dress was she wearing? not what dress was she wearing, like I care if it’s revealing or not. Was she told to pick out a dress, or does she have a dress already? You know, that kinda thing. but that does suck. That sucks when you lose a maid of honor, but chances are she was after that comment he made, she’s like, “Well, I don’t support them getting married because I don’t want her to be with someone that’s gonna act that way.”
Oh, gosh. Okay. We got one more mini, and then we got the full story submission Sorry, guys. I feel like by the end of the night my voice gets so crackly because I’ve just been, like, talking all day, and I never just rest my voice. also another thing I forgot to say is, I’m filming, I’m editing the Scarlett skit, but, again, by the time you guys hear this, I’m not sure what skit I’ll be doing.
That’s another thing that’s behind the scenes is when I’m away, obviously I can’t film, and I’m not going to, so my plan is to, like, just post minis while I’m gone and I… but I have to, tie off this skit. So there’s a lot of planning that goes into it, and I know people will complain ’cause they’ll be like, ” What happened to the Scarlett skit?
“It’s My Day Too” Email
What are these minis?” And so I’m just bracing myself. Anyway, okay, last one. ” Hi, Christa I’d love to share with you my wedding experience that I had with my mother. Keep in mind, my relationship with her is better, but the whole wedding process was a pain. It all started when before my now husband and I were engaged, I was explaining to my sister about a venue we had in mind. We saw it at a vegan pop-up we were at. I am vegan. And my mom immediately yelled at me in front of my whole family and cousin who was in town, saying I need to think of my guests. From that moment on, I knew I needed to just keep decisions between me and my husband.
We got engaged. We got the venue right away, a different one than the original one we planned, the date, and lots of other little things. We planned our vegan caterer. I tried to reach out to my mom a lot, but she would either not respond or not be helpful, so I was done reaching out. Be in mind, I gave her a big job, which was to do the decorations.
A few months before the wedding, I get this big, long email saying that I left my mom out, that it wasn’t just my day, that it was her day, too, because she was giving up her daughter. That’s a new one. Okay. And that it was going to be hard to be excited over my wedding because of it. I cried so hard that after I tried to keep her involved as possible, but she would always make side comments.
She did get better as the wedding got closer, especially ’cause she saw it was hurting me, but it was a wild time. Wait, who sent her the message? It doesn’t even say. It just says I got a long email saying I was leaving my mom out. Who sent you the email? okay. A lot to say here. First of all, I’m sorry that this happened.
Second of all, the fact that your mom is … It sounds like she started off by giving her opinion, and then realized her opinion wasn’t gonna go too far, and I kind of, respect that you had a good boundary and you were like, “You know what? I’m gonna just plan stuff with my husband.” As it should be, right? You only invite people in for what you want help with, right?
but Now she’s, not gonna respond to you because she’s not getting what she wants. She’s not getting her way. Again, with the email, who sent this email? Because it was her day too, because she’s giving up a daughter. That’s, that’s not a thing. you’re still her daughter. and that it was hard to be excited because of it.
So she ultimately, made herself a victim to someone, and either told them to send the email or complained enough that they were like, “I need to send an email to this bride,” and then guilted you into involving her again. There’s no apology. There was just you pulling her back in because you felt bad.
I’m sorry that happened. That is a wild time. I mean, weddings and stressful occasions do things to people, for sure. But I also feel like there’s no excuse for it. I think you can also, like, come back and be like, “I’m sorry,” apologize for acting a certain way, but All right, guys, I gotta get to this story
I promise I’m gonna try to stop doing the nighttime recordings, but sometimes it’s the only time I can record, and it’s kind of, like, relaxing for me to just read some stories. All right, here we go.
Church Basement Surprise
I was a bridesmaid in my close friend’s wedding last year. I knew she and her mother-in-law didn’t get along, but I had no idea how bad it was until we went through the planning process. For context, the bride’s mom had passed away during COVID due to cancer complications and contracting COVID.
Oh my gosh. After her mom passed, her future mother-in-law really overstepped trying to replace her. Fast-forward to the wedding planning. One day, her mother-in-law created a group chat with all the bridesmaids. We got this message from an unknown number, and it was so long you had to click it and scroll forever to read the whole thing.
How did the mother-in-law get all the bridesmaids’ phone numbers? That’s weird. Oh my gosh. Long story short, while asking to take over planning the shower, she also trauma dumped about all her personal health and family issues. Throughout the message, she repeatedly insists she wasn’t overstepping, while very clearly overstepping.
If you have to say you’re not overstepping, you’re very clearly overstepping. And she said she wanted to plan the shower to take it off our plate. We were actually really excited to plan it, but we were open to sharing responsibilities if it made things easier. We sent her a few affordable venue options we had found, places like a local veteran center or small function hall since the bridesmaids were planning to split the cost.
Immediately, we received another long message from her saying she couldn’t afford a fancy venue, even though none of the a-options were fancy and she was furious. She called her son and yelled at him for two hours, claiming the bridesmaids were being over the top and asking for too much for a shower the bride didn’t even need.
Why is she wanting to be involved in a shower for the bride if the bride doesn’t need it? Don’t be involved then. Eventually, he calmed her down, and she sent us another message saying she had found a free venue. The venue? The basement of her church. I said this is like a skit and someone was like, “What?”
But it happens. People do, like, receptions and events in the basement of their church This was an immediate red flag. The bride had only ever been in a church once, for her mom’s funeral. On top of that, her mother-in-law asked us to keep the location a secret because it was supposed to be a surprise. The problem, the bride hated surprises.
Know your audience. We kept the details minimal, but gave the bride a heads-up about the date so she could request time off work. A few weeks later, we get to the bachelorette trip. After a few drinks, I accidentally let it slip that the shower was at a church. The bride immediately panicked, called her fiancé, and asked us to change the venue.
Oh, no. Honestly, okay, here’s the thing. I am really good at keeping surprises. or keeping secrets. I did my husband’s 30th birthday surprise, and it was so hard, but I did. I did my parents’ anniversary surprise with my siblings years ago, and it was hard, but we did it. And I hate when people, like, spoil things, right?
But this is one where if I knew my friend would not like it, and I knew someone else was taking over, after a few drinks, I would maybe spill the beans too, just to be like, “Hey, are you, cool with this, or do you want me to, like, do something about it?” of course, we were willing to accommodate, but we were very nervous about dealing with her mother-in-law again.
At that point, we started a separate group chat and jokingly named it Operation Jolene. I had to make sure the name was actually changed, and it is. I’ll call her Jolene from here. The groom told Jolene that we couldn’t host the shower at the church due to the bride’s wishes.
Once again, I received a message from Jolene accusing us of talking behind her back, saying she felt betrayed because we ruined the surprise. Here’s the thing. If you already weren’t really a part of the group, you pushed your way into the bridesmaid group chat. They’re not talking behind your back. They literally already had the bridesmaid group, and you were pushing your way in Then in the same message, she casually mentioned she was planning to pay for the couple’s honeymoon, but didn’t trust us to keep a secret, even though she had just told us.
We apologized for making her feel out of the loop again and offered to pay for a venue ourselves. Before we even had a chance to look for an alternative, she went ahead and booked a new venue. It was at a gun club over two hours away from most of our guests. Some people should not be involved in planning events.
They’re just not good at it, and I would be very annoyed being a part of this wedding. Because of that, several people couldn’t attend, but she refused to budge. On the day of the shower, we arrived two hours early to help set up per her request. Two hours early. Oh my gosh
She immediately started barking orders at us, telling us exactly how to decorate using hundreds of dollars worth of decor, even though she had previously said she couldn’t afford anything. The bride is very shy. She didn’t wanna open gifts or play games, but Jolene insisted. So this is Jolene’s party.
This is not the bride’s party. Anyone that wants to actually host for someone is going to make sure it fits their wishes and what they like and what they enjoy. You’re not gonna make them uncomfortable and do a party that caters to you. Then she gave a 10-minute speech Guys, I can’t.
Thanking herself and her husband, talking about losing her oldest son to marriage, and recognizing only her side of the family. This is really rough. After an awkward silence, she briefly thanked the bridesmaids and added that we didn’t do much, but appreciated that we showed up. This can’t be real
I am like picturing The witchiest person Like, oh, before you guys leave, I just want to thank you guys so much for attending my party. I put a lot of hard work in it, and it spent, hours finding, the perfect location and all this stuff, and my amazing husband for doing whatever I said during these last couple of weeks.
And, oh yeah, and these, ladies over here, the bridesmaids, you didn’t really do much, but thanks for being here anyway. Like, what? And honestly, that was just the beginning. at the rehearsal dinner, she was black-out drunk, talking badly about the bride to me and my fiancé.
On the wedding day, she showed up late and delayed the ceremony so she could take photos with her son without the bride. I can picture her. I can literally picture her. The event coordinator spent the entire night trying to manage her and had to remind her at least five times the wedding was not about her.
There are so many more stories, but that was just a glimpse into the chaos she brought to the entire wedding process. Oh my gosh. If that story is from one of the bridesmaids, I can only imagine what the bride has to say about all this. The fact that they already didn’t get along great, and then I don’t know when the bride’s mom passed away, but I’m guessing it was pretty soon before the wedding.
And so for the mother-in-law just to come in, take over the wedding, start her own group chat with the bridesmaids is so ridiculous. But this is the over-the-top mother-in-law character that we’ve talked about and that we’ve seen. This is the one where, like, when I’ve done skits, people are like, “Oh, this is so dramatic,” and people are like, “No, this actually happened to me.”
This is so wild. I mean, I wanna know from the bride’s perspective if they ever, put her in her place and were like, “Hey, we’re not going to allow you to do this.” And it’s also awkward as a bridesmaid when someone comes in, because you hear things from the bride or from your friend.
Maybe if they’ve, like, had arguments or just don’t get along. So it’s like you don’t really know your place with, saying certain things. Now, if I had someone talking badly about my friend, then yes, I would directly be like, ” “Hey,” “no,” “let’s knock that shit off, please.” But the other things of, her taking over the bridal shower, I’m like, I don’t know.
Like, do you wanna host a shower? it would definitely annoy me though. Cause I’ve been a part of a lot of bridal showers, and people do come in at the 11th hour and they’re like, “We should change it. We should do this instead. How about we go to my uncle’s cabin?” And you’re like, ” We already have a full shower over here that we’re doing, so no thank you.”
Guys, people are wild. Let me know what you guys think. What would you do in this scenario? Because I’m a little stumped. When you’re the bridesmaid, it’s hard. You only have so much say. Like I said, I would definitely tell … if the mom’s talking crap to me about the bride, I would say something.
But I think it needs to be brought to her attention about how she’s acting and starting this group chat. come on, you don’t need to be in a group chat with the bridesmaids. Oh, Lord have mercy. Okay, let’s get to some confessions, and then we’ll call it a night. What’s a wedding detail that you stressed over that no one noticed?
This person said, “The napkins.” “The flowers at the end of each pew, total waste of time and money.” Escort cards, and I’m in the wedding stationery business.” ” I put fish on the menu but accidentally ordered chicken.” So she, like, wanted a special meal. ” The darn favors. That was 26 years ago when they were still the thing.”
That’s, like, the number one thing I hear, is don’t waste your time on favors. I don’t regret mine still, though. We did decks of cards, and we did have some left over, but, like, I feel like that’s one of those things where you can just, toss it in a bag. You know, it’s good to have a deck of cards, but maybe I’m just saying that ’cause it’s mine.
It doesn’t have, like, our name or our face on it. It’s just, like, a cute deck of cards that, like, went with the theme. envelope liners. Actually, we were at our friend’s house last weekend, and we were all gonna play Spoons, and they pulled out the deck from our wedding. So I was like, “Oh my God, someone’s using it.”
Envelope liners. Don’t even know what that is because I’m not classy. What is that? Oh, is that those things that, like, the sheet that goes over… I should know this. I don’t know. My bridesmaids’ flowers were in ombre order from dark pink to light pink to meet with white.
That’s a lot of effort. Not having speeches. Decor on reception tables. My bridesmaid shoes, dresses were black, red shoes, nobody saw them. I was just thinking that the other day. Someone, wrote in and she was talking about how her mother-in-law made comments about the shoes she chose as a bride. She was like, “Oh, those are cheap,” or, “It’s, like, a bad brand.”
But I’m like, you never see the bride’s shoes. unless you’re taking photos in the beginning and you’re holding your dress up or they’re doing, like, the setup photos where the shoes are in them, you do not see them. I wore heels for walking down the aisle at the ceremony, and then when we leave the reception, I put on wedge sneakers because I knew I’d be running around, and it was the best decision.
The only regret I have is when my husband and I practiced our first dance, I had different wedge sneakers that were, like, dirty as shit. I wore it, all the time. and so I got white ones for the wedding day that were a little bit… I wanna say they were a little taller. I don’t know. They were different height, so I kept tripping on my dress.
So practice your dance in the actual shoes you’re gonna wear. that’s, my TED Talk today. All right, guys. That’s all I got for today. Thanks for hanging out with me. Sorry for the raspy voice. Sorry for the late-night, chatter. A lot going on, but a lot of exciting things coming for you guys. and I’m excited to put more things out there.
Thanks for being here, and I will see you next time. Bye now.
Drunk Groomsmen, Reception Cancellations, and a Missing Truck
My new book Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story is live!
Apparently, “I do” also comes with a side of family chaos.
For this week’s episode we’re flying solo and diving into stories that remind us weddings rarely go exactly as planned. I weigh in on listeners’ wedding dilemmas about a future mother-in-law who seems more interested in stealing the spotlight than supporting the couple.
I delve into two wedding stories: One couple is forced to find a brand-new reception venue after theirs suddenly closes just weeks before the big day. Another bride wakes up on her wedding morning to discover the truck carrying their marriage license has vanished.
To wrap things up, I read listener confessions about unfair family expectations and shares why healthy boundaries matter long after the wedding ends. Whether you’re planning a wedding or just love messy family drama, this episode has plenty to unpack.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Mother-in-Law Wants the Spotlight – A bride worries her future MIL cares more about her own grand entrance than celebrating the couple.
- 41 Days to Find a New Venue – A reception venue unexpectedly closes, forcing the couple to start over and proving that Plan B can still become a cherished memory.
- The Jail Cell, and the Marriage License – A groom’s brother steals the couple’s truck, nearly derailing the wedding after taking the marriage license with him.
- When Family Comes Before Your Marriage – Christa reacts to a husband repeatedly choosing his family over his new wife.
- Confessions About Family Expectations – Listeners share the unrealistic demands relatives have placed on them, reinforcing the importance of healthy boundaries.
- Ignoring Red Flags Doesn’t Make Them Disappear – Wedding stress may reveal family dynamics that couples need to address long before they become marriage problems.
- Accountability Matters – Mistakes happen, but healing becomes much harder when someone refuses to take responsibility for the damage they’ve caused.
- Your Partner Should Handle Their Family – Setting boundaries with difficult in-laws is much easier when your partner is the one leading the conversation.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “When someone’s not contributing financially or showing interest in being a part of the planning doesn’t mean they don’t support you or they’re not interested.”
- “You should not be having to tell him. He should be standing up for you. This is your husband now.”
- “As you get older, you choose who you want in your life, and if they treat you in a bad way, you don’t have to let them around.”
- “You are in charge of who you let into your space and how often they have access to you. I think we say that a lot. Boundaries, right?”
- “Lesson, guys. Don’t drive drunk. Use an Uber.”
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Christa Innis: Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Here Comes the Drama. I’m your host, Christa Innis, and I am recording at night, and so it feels a little moody, a little different. mom life kind of got in the way. Actually, you know, I can’t even blame it on that. and it’s not a blame anyway, but I just feel like I try to batch record, and then I push off solo episodes until the last minute sometimes because I’m like, “Okay, I want, like, updated information on there so that when it comes out, it doesn’t feel, too late.”
Late Night Catch-Up
and there’s just been so much going on, personal life, business life, and everything else, just trying to manage it all. moms, parents, I mean anyone listening. Life is busy, right? you guys know how that goes. But I feel like we’ll have, these kind of, like, slow moments, and then all of a sudden it just gets really crazy.
Or I’ll let myself have, a really quiet morning and just hang out with my daughter, and then all of a sudden it’s like panic mode of like, oh my gosh, I have, like, eight things to get done during her, three-hour nap time. So it’s just been kind of crazy. she’s in T-ball now, too, and so there’s, like, night games, and so I think it just makes our evenings go a little bit quicker.
so anyway, just a little behind the scenes. I’m just jumping right in this week, you guys. so before I get into today, what I am gonna do is I have a dilemma that someone sent me, and then I have two stories we’re gonna read this week. and if I seem to be looking, if you’re watching the video, if I seem to be looking down, I’m still figuring out my camera situation.
I know many of you guys are, like, sick of me saying it. it feels, especially when I have someone else on, it feels funny to just look at the camera and not the person’s face. So I’m looking at the person’s face, right? But then in the video, I’m looking down, and It’s very hard for me. I’m very, like, if I meet you in person, I’m looking at you in the eyes if I’m talking to you in person.
So, when it’s solo, I can do it a little bit better, but even so, I’m, looking at my notes, and so I feel like I’m looking all over the place. okay, so like I said, I am recording this at night. My husband is in bed. My daughter’s in bed, and I was like, “I’m gonna make myself a cup of tea.” Here’s my mug.
It says, “Think happy thoughts.” drinking my bedtime tea. I, it’s like a habit. I have to drink it every night. Starting off, just a couple of updates. I’ve been really loving this Scarlett skit, the groom’s mom Scarlett skit. And just a little behind the scenes I’ve talked about a little bit.
So this is based on a true story that was sent to me, but it’s one of those where I’m kinda going, kind of … I’m really going off the cuff. because she gave me some great highlights, a little behind the scenes into their relationship, and then it kinda like skips ahead. And I was like really feeling like a detailed longer skit.
and she has provided me with extra information, but I’ve just have gone a little cuckoo with this one. but it’s a lot of fun. But now I’m kinda like timing it off because I am going on, a little family trip over the summer. I just wanna make sure, like, I take a little break and really, be present during the trip.
So we’re gonna see how it all plays out. I might have to do a season two or something. Again, not holding my breath for that. Don’t hold yours either. We will see. I know people are still holding their breath for the Elle and Vivian skit season two, and if I could apologize 100 times over, I would.
It’s funny because I was these characters. I am these characters, you know, when I act it out. But you guys are so much better at remembering things than I am. Like, I was just at the Hilary Duff concert last weekend, and this woman came up to me, and she was so sweet. And she was like, “You read my story.”
And I was like, “Oh, my gosh, what was the story?” And she said it was about a bridesmaid that went AWOL, and they were like … I think it was a wild goose chase is what she said. And I was like stumped. I was like I cannot think of it. So if you guys can think of it, let me know. I think she said the character’s name was Brooke.
I need to still look it up. And I felt so bad ’cause I was like, “I can’t remember your story.” And I was like there’s certain ones that like really stick out to me just ’cause I like grabbed them and I like ran with it. so I have to try to find her, or if someone can tell me if they remember a Brooke in a story.
Her name was not Brooke, just to be very clear. Her name was not Brooke. She said the character in the story that I made was named Brooke. so I have to kinda figure that out. But back to the Elle and Vivian skit, so many people will go back, or they just found me, and they’re listening to the skit.
And they’re like, what the hell? There’s no season two. Where’s season two? It said there was gonna be more coming.” And when I did that, I didn’t have a plan to do season two. and it kind of like all these other things started happening. Life happens. And they’re like, “Well, she’s putting out all her skits,” and I’m like, it’s not like I’m avoiding it.
I just like … Yeah, I don’t know. Also, once you do like a season two, you Have to go back to season one and make sure everything matches up, and, like, kind of it goes in line. One more thing I do wanna say about the Elle and Vivian skit, and this was okay to say give, and not giving it away.
So I did receive an update from the person that we would call Elle, right? The person that wrote this in, and she did say, her partner kinda wanted me to stop sharing more information because he was kind of afraid people would know it was them. And so I’ve changed a lot, so if you think it’s someone, it probably is not.
I’ve changed a lot. So season two is gonna go, way different. I do have plans for it eventually, but that would require me to go all the way back. Like I said, you guys are way better at remembering these things. Go back and listen to all of season one, which I can do, obviously, and then make my notes and plan out season two.
So just think of it as, like, a TV show, guys. it’s only me that’s coming up with these skit ideas, so I don’t have, a whole team behind me writing them, editing, and all that stuff. So just be patient with me. And again, I appreciate the love for all that
Okay. one more final update and then I will promise I’ll get to the stuff. I know people don’t like the chitchat, but sometimes I just feel like I need to chitchat, especially when it’s nighttime. I need to get, the energy going, ‘ cause at night I’m like, my body’s like wanting to go to sleep. I was, laying in bed with my daughter reading books with her, and I was like, “I can’t.
I gotta get the energy going for this podcast.” Okay. So one more update is I got the latest update or latest edits of book number two, Drama Ever After, just sent to me this week. So I send you guys updates here and there. I’ve had multiple comments come through asking about book number two. And in case you missed it,
we are doing a slightly different process than the first one. The first one I did fully, indie publisher.
my husband helped me. We got it all together. We did the research. I had my friend design the cover. Look at this amazing cover. Shout out to Oak and Air. and she’s just amazing. She helps me with all my branding stuff. Known her for years now. But, anyway, so book two is gonna be a little bit different of how we’re trying to get this, published.
So we’re going through so many different edits and all that stuff. So I just got that back, so I have to do another read through. so the reason why I’ve been able to, get this stuff out and skits out so quickly is because that was in the hands of someone else. So just letting you guys know it might, slow down a little bit.
All right, let’s get to the good stuff. dilemmas. this was a dilemma someone sent me. A reminder that you guys can always send me new wedding dilemmas. You can DM me on social media, or email me, hello@christainnis.com. And these are things that you’re currently going through, and just want either some advice, you want, some support, you want me to share it on social media to see what other people think, you want me to do a poll, whatever that looks like.
Future Mother-in-Law from Hell
So here we go. ” We’re getting married this September, and my future mother-in-law hasn’t contributed anything toward the wedding. We’ve paid for everything ourselves. She has had no input in planning, “Doesn’t even want to walk my fiancé down the aisle, but still insists on having her own walk down the aisle.”
What? She doesn’t wanna walk him, but she wants her own moment of walking herself. Okay. ” She also won’t let me help her pick out a dress. She wants to wear a very low cut V-neck dress, and when I gently suggested something with a little more coverage, she immediately said no. On top of that, she openly criticized my wedding shoes saying they are such a bad brand.
I can’t believe she got those. Do they even match the dress?”
She’s saying, “Like, girl, be for real. It’s my wedding. My fiancé’s entire family will be there, and from everything I’ve heard, she’s usually the one who starts the family drama and then plays the victim afterward. I’m honestly so nervous that she’ll cause problems on the wedding day or refuse to participate altogether.
At this point, it feels like she’s only showing up because her son is getting married, not because she actually wants to support us. I’d love to hear your take on this matter.” Ooh, that’s a lot. Okay, first thing that I wanna say is people show support in different ways. So I wouldn’t necessarily say because someone’s not contributing financially or showing interest in being a part of the planning doesn’t mean they don’t support you or they’re not interested.
That does not apply to this person. It sounds like she’s making it very clear, like she wants it to be about her. The moments where she’s included needs to be about her. She wants the dress she wants, which again, I’m not super picky about a dress, but if you’ve, been like, “Hey, here’s a great mother of the groom dress,” and she’s like, “No, no, no, I’m not doing that.”
she has comments about the dress. She wants to have her own walk down the aisle, which I think is very bizarre.
Okay, so it sounds like she starts a lot of the family drama, which I don’t love, because people will probably know her as someone that’s gonna just stir the pot or say things that’s what’s ever on her mind. and that could make you a little nervous, right? I said this so many times before, I think as women, I think we get nervous more about this stuff, and we overthink about it a lot.
And we think it’s our job to make sure everyone’s doing exactly what they need to be doing, right? And a lot of times it does come down to that. But when it’s comes to his mom and how she’s acting, he needs to be the one that talks to her. Because you are kind of an extension, right? I mean, of the new family, she’s an extension, but of the old family, you are this new part coming in, right?
So I don’t know how their relationship is, but the fact that she is showing no interest, she’s making comments about your shoes, she likes to start drama, tells me that she’s trying to assert her own dominance. ” Oh, I don’t care about this. Oh, I’m, I don’t care about my son’s wedding enough to really be involved.”
So I think if there’s these concerns, you need to talk with your partner, and then have your partner talk with her about what is maybe expected of her that day. Be very clear, ” We are not gonna be having you walk down the aisle by yourself. This is what we would like. Can you walk Brian down the aisle? No?
Then okay, you’ll be sitting in this spot.” It’s hard when you anticipate something possibly happening because unless there’s an actual sure way to know, you can’t really, stop them from coming, right? Unless she’s, like, threatened to do something or you know at every wedding she shows up wearing a white dress and a veil, you know, whatever that is.
so I would just have people on standby. I would have your fiancé talk to her, and he- gotta speak her language, right? And I hate to say it like that, but it’s like, giving little tidbits, right? if she needs a little bit of control or she needs to feel like she’s heard in some way, have him give her a little bit, and then be like, “But this is our boundary and this is what we’re doing.
If there’s anything that kind of goes outside of that, we’re gonna be swiftly, like, it’s your time to go.” And I hate to be like that, but I think people like this thrive off a little bit of drama. And so if she feels like she has that control, and if things aren’t going her way, she’ll start a little bit of drama.
We need to make sure she’s, on her toes. She knows the rules, and if she doesn’t follow those rules, then she’s gonna be out the door. and I know that sounds very, like, cut and dry, but with someone like this, you just have to be ready for a plan B if something were to happen. She might surprise you.
She might just not like to be a part of weddings, and she might just not know what to say. that does not excuse her rude comments about your shoes or any other rude comments she may have, she might have made or may make in the future. So leave everything to your fiancé. Talk with him, about what your concerns are.
And as long as he’s on the same page, you know he has your back. So let me know what you guys think in the comments about all of this. and I hope, that helps. I hope you have a great wedding day come September. All right
Again, if you have your own wedding dilemma, you can DM me on, Instagram’s probably the best social media platform to send it to me. otherwise you can email me, hello@christainnis.com. All right. I always feel like when I’m reading at night that I read, so much, like, calmer, and it almost reminds me of people that, read audiobooks.
I know people are gonna be like, “You should read an audiobook for your next book.” that’s a lot of work, and I feel like I would lose my voice, but we’ll see. Anyway, I’ve got two stories for you guys tonight. The first one’s a little bit shorter, so let’s get into it. All right. Here we go.
41 Days Before the Wedding
My husband and I got married almost nine years ago in Denver. It was the second marriage for both of us, and we have adult kids and extended family who planned to join us for what was essentially a domestic destination wedding since some family members lived nearby while we lived out of state. We had planned a church ceremony and booked a restaurant downtown for the reception.
It had been open for thirty-four years and served authentic French cuisine. It was in a great location, had decent parking for a busy city, and it was the perfect size for our smaller wedding of about seventy-five guests. Everything was set for a Saturday evening ceremony and reception. Then forty-one days before the wedding, family members saw on the news that the restaurant was closing.
The land had been sold, likely for redevelopment, and I’m sure there’s a skyscraper there now. Forty-one days. Oh, no, this is taking a different turn than I thought. My husband called the restaurant to complain, but the manager told him he also found out the news and had just learned he was losing his job.
The restaurant officially closed two weeks before our wedding. Thankfully, we did get our deposit back, which is very rare when th-things like that happen. We scrambled to call venues all over Denver, trying to find a replacement for our reception. Eventually, we found a place that was available and willing to do a tasting.
It was primarily a breakfast and lunch spot but hosted private events in the evenings and luckily they were open on our wedding date. Because I needed to save vacation time for our honeymoon, my husband flew to Colorado alone and attended the tasting. He liked the food, so he booked it.
That’s how we ended up having our reception at a breakfast spot. It turned out to be a Creole restaurant, and despite the fact I never even tasted the food beforehand, it ended up being the best possible option. It wasn’t what I originally had envisioned, but it saved the day, and I now have so many great memories from our reception at that amazing little place.
Okay, that turned out to be a really cute story. I was not sure which way that was gonna go. this also shows you brides, future brides, or just, people in general that, have an event coming up or something, they’re looking forward to There are bad things that can happen, right? There are last-minute things, things will go wrong, right?
But sometimes someone will come through and save the day. If you keep pushing and you’re persistent, and there will be a solution. Not always what you see or h- not always what you had planned, but there will be some kind of solution. I know so many people that had their weddings canceled during COVID, like the height of COVID, you and People weren’t getting their, deposits back. Restaurants were closing. they were told, like with no time. I had so many people that had to cancel or move locations, and that’s a lot. some didn’t get married for years after because they couldn’t find a spot. and it’s so hard in those moments to be like, “Okay, this is for the best.
This is what was supposed to happen,” and you kind of wanna like when someone says that, you’re just like, ” Okay, I don’t need to hear that this was supposed to happen.” But I’m glad they were able to look back and be like, “Okay, this worked out for the better. I’m glad it happened this way.”
Drunks and Jails: Brother-in-Law Mayhem
Okay, so that one started off with like a kind of light drama issue, just to get us in there a little bit. All right, next story.
Oh gosh, you guys, this one starts with, ” Oh, do I have one for you?” You know this is gonna be good when it starts like that. For some quick background, my husband and I had a semi-destination wedding about six hours from our home. It was a small wedding, and we rented a large Airbnb on the water for a long weekend, which is also where we held the ceremony.
That’s pretty cool. We decided on a no-kids wedding, which most people respected, aside from a little pushback from my sister-in-law, who had a baby that would’ve been almost one by the wedding. Thankfully, she didn’t bring the baby. Since we had the Airbnb for the whole weekend, we invited some close friends and family to stay with us.
The night and day before the wedding, were spent setting everything up ourselves. That same night, the guys decided to go out to a bar. I begged my fiancé to stay with me, but he looked me dead in the eye and said, “No.” What do we feel about this? I was just doing a YouTube video about,
a wedding vendor, and she said the groomsmen didn’t come home until 5:00 AM. So when she was getting there to start doing makeup, the men were still outside, like, drunk coming home. And she’s like, “Meanwhile, the bridesmaids were, a little drunk, but they were, like, better.” And I’ve been a part of weddings like that so many times where it’s like, okay, we’ve got, like, maybe we’ll have a glass of champagne, but, we’ve got our eye masks on.
We are in our jammies by, like, 9:00 PM. Like, we’re going to bed early, and then the men are just, out going rampant. And I’m just like, for my, own wedding, there was a bar connected to the condo we met- we, used for our wedding stuff. And so, my husband went with, some of the groomsmen, but he was like, “I don’t wanna be, like, hungover or, uncomfortable.”
He doesn’t even drink anymore, but, like, at this time, he did, and he was like, ” I don’t wanna be hungover or, like, not feel well, in the morning, so I’ll have, like, one drink.” And, I was like, ” You know what? You’re an adult. Do whatever you want.” But I hear about this a lot, so let me know what you guys think about this.
if I had this preference where I was like, “Hey, just stay back. I know how your friends get. They get kinda crazy, and we have to be up early or whatever,” and they just go, “Mm, no,” I’d be questioning a lot, I think. It’s like any other night, sure, whatever, but it’s your wedding night. Okay. “He came back later that night very drunk.
I was annoyed, but figured as long as he was good to go for the wedding, I would let it go for the moment.” Also, like, why do you wanna be drunk before your wedding? Like, come on. wait till the party until after. That’s what I don’t get. I’m just like, have fun with your friends. No one’s saying, like, don’t go out and have fun, but it’s like, you can’t just, reel it in a little bit one night?
” The next morning, I woke up and started checking things off my to-do list. One of the most important tasks was getting our marriage license to my uncle, who was officiating. I went outside to the truck to grab it, and the truck was gone Oh, no. I went back inside, woke up my fiancé, and asked if he knew where it was.
At first, we assumed someone had borrowed it to run a quick errand. We started calling around to the family and friends, and no one had it. Then we realized his brother was also missing. This is what I mean. This is what I mean, guys. Like, have you not seen The Hangover? Come on. We don’t do a bachelor party or the bachelorette party the weekend of, especially not the night before, a wedding.
Okay? Bad things happen. Let’s just not do it. Oh, Lord have mercy. Okay. Cue the panic. We called and called with no answer. At that point, we started worrying something had happened, calling hospitals, trying to track him down. Finally, someone suggested we try calling the jail. Yep, he was in jail
This is like The Hangover. Searching all these places. where’s the brother? Where’s the brother? Like… Okay. Apparently, sometime during the night, he came back to the Airbnb even though he wasn’t staying there, stole the truck, drove it drunk to meet with a one-night stand, got pulled over, and was arrested.
Lesson, guys. Don’t drive drunk. Use an Uber. it still blows my mind when people get, DUIs. I’m like, if you can’t afford a DUI or, be smart- Or Call an Uber. it’s not even about that. You hurt someone seriously. Like, that, drives me so mad. that makes me so mad when people are irresponsible with it Oh my gosh, I could go on a whole thing about this.
Okay. I was gonna say it’s someone that drove drunk. It’s someone that was being irresponsible and dumb and drove drunk. Okay, so the truck has their marriage license in it
I’m not gonna shame them and wonder why the, marriage license was in the truck, but it is a weird spot for a marriage license. But that’s besides the point. The brother should have never taken the truck. Okay, she says, “Oh, and the truck had been impounded with our marriage license inside.
So instead of relaxing and getting ready for my wedding, I spent the entire morning tracking down which impound lot the truck was in so we could retrieve the license. We managed to find it, pay the impound fees” He better have paid you back … ” and get everything back just in time for the ceremony.” Lord, I would be so livid.
I don’t even think I could look him in the face ever again. You ruined my wedding day Because you were selfish for so many reasons. You, you stole our truck, you were drunk, and you were going to meet a one-night stand
you ruin that like moment for her, for all of them. I would not be able to look at him. I’d be like, “Don’t even be in the wedding at this point, please.” I did end up running a bit late, but honestly, everyone expected me to at that point. The ceremony itself was beautiful, minus one groomsman who was still in jail because it was a holiday weekend and there was no judge available.
Good. He should sit in jail, and he should think about what he did. Miss your brother’s wedding, you have to live with that for the rest of your life because you were dumb. Sorry. I married my husband, and for a moment, I felt like everything had finally settled. Nope. Someone decided it would be a great idea to bail my brother-in-law out of jail and bring him straight to the wedding.
Nope, that person’s going to jail too. No, I’m not, doing that. I didn’t say anything. I figured if my husband wanted his whole family there, then that was his decision. The next day, we were all still at the Airbnb enjoying the post-wedding hangout. Then my brother-in-law showed up again. I told my husband I didn’t want him there, but he insisted his brother should stay I’m kind of liking this fiancé right now, and I’m sorry if he’s your…
Well, I guess he’s your husband now, and I’m sorry. But for one, he went out the night before, looked you in the face, came home drunk
Okay? But we know this brother-in-law messed up the wedding morning. He was dumb. And now they’re like, “No, he should come hang out with us.” Okay. She said, “I let it go until everyone started drinking again. At some point, my brother-in-law said something to one of the groomsmen, let’s call him Jay, which turned into a full-blown argument that escalated into a physical fight.”
Who is this brother-in-law? Get him out of here. ” My husband stepped in and ended up with a broken toe trying to break it up.” Mm-mm. Brother-in-law has got to go. Says, “Jay left, but my brother-in-law went back inside the house. At that point, I was done. I went inside and told him to leave. He refused, saying he had every right to be there because his whole family was there.
I told him the Airbnb was in my name, and if he didn’t leave, I would call the police.” Where is your husband at this time? Where is he? Because this is his responsibility. He needs to tell the brother to leave. You should not be having to tell him. He should be standing up for you. This is your husband now.
” Then I walked away. I ended up arguing with my husband, and I told him I wanted to press charges against his brother for stealing the truck.” Yes. ” At that point, I stopped speaking to my husband altogether.” This is a wild story, you guys. ” I went back downstairs. My brother-in-law had finally left, which was the only small win.
Jay had been staying at the Airbnb too, but after the fight, I texted him to let him know he was no longer welcome and gave his room to another guest.” Oh, no. Was this Jay guy drinking now, so he’s driving around drunk? Like, I’m so confused. “
Later that night, Jay either ignored or didn’t see my message and showed up anyway That’s gonna be a problem. Everyone was already asleep when he arrived, drunk and loud, pounding on the door of the room my friend was now staying in. He woke everyone up, and before leaving, he punched a hole in the wall, causing more damage to the Airbnb.
I see why you didn’t want your husband to go out with these guys now, but also, like, why is he friends with guys like this? I shouldn’t say they have drinking problems, ’cause I know, like, around weddings and events, people drink, but We all drink.
Around weddings and events, whatever. But they sound aggressive. Your husband ignores you and, does not have your back during any of this. I wouldn’t wanna marry someone like that. Like, they don’t respect you Also very risky giving his room to a friend. not coming on, not your fault, but, the fact that he could’ve just come home and, just gone in that room if someone were, like, changing.
You know? You just never know. That’s… Stuff freaks me out. Okay. Geez. “Through all of this, my husband never had my back. When I told him I wanted to press charges against his brother, he went to his family, and since they all said no, he didn’t.” Divorce. I’m sorry. Like, that sounds dramatic, but this is your wedding day, wedding night, wedding week, and he couldn’t respect you.
He couldn’t listen to one thing you said. He allowed all this to happen, and I know it was the brother’s choice to drive drunk, but he started all of this, and he did not stand up for you at one time.
I’m stressed for you. ” The day we were supposed to leave for our honeymoon in Mexico, I told him I wasn’t going and that I wasn’t even going to file the marriage certificate because of how many times he chose his family over me that weekend.” Yes. ” We did…” Oh, okay, there’s a change here. ” We did eventually work things out.
It’s been almost six years now, but his brother still has never apologized for anything he did. He believes that spending one night in jail was punishment enough.” Oh, boo hoo. No, it wasn’t. That would make me mad for eternity. No, I don’t know. To be around that toxicity, the brother-in-law going to act that way and not apologize to you, his brother’s wife, I could never be around someone like that.
That’s terrible. ” It also took years and a lot of couples therapy for my husband to even acknowledge he had any fault in what happened.” How did you guys eventually work things out, though? That’s what I’m wondering. Like, who made the decision to say, “You know what? We should try this again,” if he couldn’t even apologize or realize that he had any fault?
The fact that he didn’t even back you up. He didn’t wanna press charges against his brother for stealing your truck and literally ruining your wedding morning. That’s literally, picked his brother before anybody. That is wild. Oh my gosh. She said, “Let’s just say it was a wedding weekend I’ll never forget.”
This poor woman. everything she has feels like, “Okay, he’s apologetic, and we can work through this, and we’re good.” I mean, she said it’s been six years now. But I don’t know if I could let something like that go. It wasn’t just a random day or a random holiday, it was your wedding day.
You plan for this, you spend tons of money on it, you picture everything, and he had to be dumb. If I had done something stupid to ever ruin someone’s wedding day, You better believe I would be kissing their feet for the rest of their life. That’s how I am. I could, like, forget someone’s birthday, and, like, the next day I’m texting them and I’m like, “Oh my gosh, I’m so sorry I forgot your birthday.”
this would literally make me feel so upset. Like, oh my gosh. The fact that the brother’s never apologized, I need to know, like, are you going to family holidays? Are you going to family birthdays? did the rest of his family apologize? Like, This is terrible. that’s a very wild story.
I feel like if you guys have 100%, worked through everything and you’re happy, and you guys are a healthy relationship now, you should redo something. Do some kind of vow renewal thing, or redo a ceremony with just the two of you and, trusted friends. Like, what happened to this Jay guy? Like, who’s this Jay guy?
Is he still a friend? I think your husband needs new friends Wow, that would make a good skit. All right, guys. Well, that’s wild jail story. this poor woman. I really hope to God that they’ve worked things out and it’s much better now. But I don’t know, you guys. I don’t know, guys. Wow.
Family Expectations and Wedding Confessions
Okay. All right. let’s get to this week’s confessions. All right, we asked, “Be honest, what’s something a family member expected from you that felt unfair?” Okay. This says, “As a kid, I always got less presents than my brother and had to be grateful for what I got.” Oh, that’s so sad. It’s sad ’cause, like, I think people don’t think kids notice that, but I think they do sometimes.
that’s why I only have one. ” To let my grandma’s friend come to our very small ceremony that we already cut people from.” Yeah, that’s hard. ” Money because I got a bonus.” What? A family member expected money from you because you got a bonus? That’s the thing, they always say, like, when you win, the lottery or you win some kind of thing, to be careful about who you tell, because people will start kinda coming out of the woodworks.
“Oh, well, remember when we were 15 years old and I bought you that CD for $10? Remember when this happened?” Then people just kinda, like, start coming out asking you for money. That’s wild, though. ” Mother-in-law posted on Facebook with her friend’s grandkids playing grandma to try to get us to try…” Ew. So weird.
” Being the perfect sister to siblings that treat me like shit or I’m the bad one.” I feel like there’s a lot of, pressure like that when it comes to siblings of, like, the blood is thicker than water kinda thing, and it’s… As you get older, you kinda realize, you choose who you want in your life, and if they treat you in a bad way, you don’t have to let ’em around.
You just don’t. You are in charge of who you let into your space and how often they have access to you. I think we say that a lot. Boundaries, right? All right, last one. “My husband had to leave our reception to deal with his drunk grandpa. His mom wouldn’t do it. She hid.” She hid?
It sucks when it’s someone, like, taking away from your day. But especially when it’s, like, a family member and someone else could probably handle it. they’re gonna have the husband leave the reception. That’s pretty crappy. Sorry that happened. Wow. Okay, guys. That was a lot. It’s late. I hope that you guys enjoy these wild episodes.
I know I did. you guys are always keeping me on my toes, and I’m always looking for the next skit, as this one is coming to a close. By the time you guys listen to this, episode, I think we’ll be done with the Scarlett story. and then for everybody wondering if it’s not up yet, we do compile them all into one long story.
And then YouTube just started this feature called, Shows, which is really awesome for the kind of series I do because they’ll automatically put them in order and then play them just like a TV show, kind of like YouTube or something. but yeah. So I’m working on a next storyline for you guys. Again, by the time you hear this, it’ll probably already be out.
and then I have a bunch of minis that I’ll be posting pretty soon because, your girl’s gotta take some time off this summer and work on some other stuff as well. But excited for some new content coming out. Like I said, we started the first Coffee I have some other little minis in the works that I’m really excited for, just some new characters coming out and just having some fun with some different things.
But that’s all I got. Thanks for hanging out with me this week, and I will see you next time. Bye now.
UnHinged Stories, Passed Out Best Man, and MOB Who Took Over with Kristen Knutson
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A wedding day is supposed to be about the couple. Unfortunately, someone forgot to tell Mom.
In this episode, Kristen Knutson joins me to talk about wedding guests who can’t resist stepping in with their own cameras, plus the unhinged wedding gift stories she brought to the episode. It simply answers that sometimes the best way to support a couple is to simply let them enjoy the moment.
We react to a photographer’s wild submission about a mother of the bride who couldn’t let go of control. After crashing the engagement session, she continued taking over the wedding day, creating chaos for the couple and vendors. And just when they thought they’d seen it all, the best man collapsed before the ceremony.
Together, we talk about where support ends and control begins, and why protecting a couple’s experience sometimes means setting boundaries with the people closest to them.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Boomer Mom Origins – Kristen explains how becoming a mom in 2021 sparked her viral “Boomer Mom” skits, starting with the now‑infamous almond‑for‑lunch story.
- Snack Culture Mirror – Christa and Kristen laugh about kids copying their parents’ constant snacking, realizing that the quirks they poke fun at are the same ones they pass down.
- Unhinged Wedding Gifts – Kristen brings in jaw‑dropping stories from mothers and mother-in-laws in weddings.
- Generational Parenting Shifts – They reflect on how past generations raised kids with one “right way,” while today’s parents face information overload and endless choices.
- Reception Speech Meltdown – Mom gave a child‑sized ’90s backpack, and passed around childhood bathtub photos to the entire room.
- Hijacked Engagement – The bride’s mom showed up uninvited, lurking behind trees and criticizing her daughter’s appearance
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “Everyone knows who the moms are. You’re gonna wear a beautiful dress, and it’s gonna be special. You don’t need a big spotlight on you for people to recognize.” – Christa Innis
- “Don’t change that about yourself.’ I think it’s great, and I do think that we’re all products of our generation.” – Christa Innis
- “We’re gonna have our thing that when they’re older they’re gonna complain about.” – Christa Innis
- “You’re scrolling through different people’s talents, and I think it’s really beautiful in that way ’cause it creates this community and creates this excitement for different kinds of talents and people kind of coming together.” – Christa Innis
- “Maybe it’s not meant for you. That’s okay.” – Christa Innis
- “Ultimately, your parents are responsible for their own feelings and their own day.” – Kristen Knutson
- “When our boomer parents were raising us, it was just like there was one way of doing things, and that was the information that they were fed.” – Kristen Knutson
- “You gotta go with your gut.” – Kristen Knutson
- “Today there’s like thousands of different ways of doing one thing in parenting.” – Kristen Knutson
- “It’s been fun ’cause I’ve been able to find my voice and just find my passion by just trial and error on my own.” – Kristen Knutson
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About Kristen
Kristen Knutson is a digital creator, storyteller, and comedian who became known for her “Boomer Mom” skits after starting content creation in 2021, when she became a mother. Her first viral video captured the generational clash between her own baby‑boomer mom, who could go all day without eating, and Kristen’s need for regular meals. That relatable humor set the tone for her work, which focuses on family dynamics and motherhood.
Kristen rediscovered her childhood love of making skits through social media. Today she continues to grow her audience by turning everyday parenting chaos and generational differences into comedy that resonates across generations.
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Christa Innis: Hi, Kristen. Thanks for being here
Kristen Knutson: Hello. Thanks for having me.
Christa Innis: Of course. So we were just talking before we jumped on, but you do like the infamous, boomer mom, like, funny skits, and I just think you’re hilarious. So kind of just jumping right in, what started these skits, and like Do you remember, like, what your first skit was that, really took off?
Kristen Knutson: Yes, I do. So what started it was me becoming a mom. I had my first kid in 2021, and that’s when I really started to notice all of the quirks and, like, the weird tips that my mom had. I have a mom who’s a baby boomer. I’m a millennial, and I see a lot of differences in our generations. So the first skit that I posted that went viral It was about, this is something that I still deal with my mom to this day, where, like, I’ll spend the entire day with her, and I swear to God she doesn’t eat, or she’ll eat, like, one almond the entire day. And I’m, like, the k- type of person who needs to eat, like, actual meals, like breakfast, lunch, dinner, and snacks in between.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
The Almond Mom
Kristen Knutson: And we’ll be together, like, we’d be, like, out with the baby or whatever, and I would need… And I was, like, breastfeeding too, and I’m like, “Hey, should we go get lunch?” And she’s like, “Oh, you’re hungry? Oh my gosh, you’re hungry?” Like, she kept, being shocked that I’m hungry. I’m like, “We haven’t eaten in, like, six hours.
This is insane behavior.” So I remember posting that, and that was the first one that went viral. So it, was- Oh my God … like, therapeutic to me to see that a lot of other people dealt with that.
Christa Innis: It’s so funny ‘my mom’s very similar to that too. I’ll be like, “Oh, I’ve gotta eat.” And she’s like, “We just ate.”
And I’m like, ” Mom, that was hours ago.” I need at least, a bar in my purse at all times so I can have some kind of snack. that is- Yeah … so funny. I feel like I saw that one. I was like, “Yeah, that’s very relatable.” We’ll have, like, holidays- For sure … and she’ll be like, “Well, I don’t wanna serve anything before because you guys will get full.”
And I’m like, ” But then we won’t eat for the first, four hours that we’re there.”
Kristen Knutson: Right. What is that? Like, I need, emotional support snacks on me- Yeah … at all times and for whatever reason. People do say that your appetite decreases as you get older, but I haven’t experienced that in my life yet, so.
Christa Innis: Yeah. So we- We’ll see.
and it’s so funny. I don’t know if you find this as a parent too, is what we, like, talk about our daughter, and we’ll be like, All she wants is snacks. All she wants is snacks.” And then I’m like, literally as I’m saying it, I’m, like, shoveling, like, chips and salsa in my mouth, and I’m like, “Okay, well, I know where she gets
Kristen Knutson: it.”
Okay, that’s actually a really good point. I need to look inward more because my kids are the same. They snack all day. I’m probably the problem. They’re just watching me eating all day.
Christa Innis: I know, and then I try to explain. I’m like, “No, it’s dinner time.” And then I’m like, I just off, a call- Yeah
or something, so I’m, like, shoveling, almonds in my mouth, and I’m like, “Oh, well, whatever.”
Kristen Knutson: Right, that’s true. They’re sponges. They’re just watching us.
Christa Innis: We’re gonna have our thing that when they’re older they’re gonna complain about. They’re be like, “Well, my mom says, this, and she’s always snacking.”
I’m like, “Yeah. You need to have a snack.”
Kristen Knutson: Totally. Yes, that’s true, and I think that’s, one of those things in parenting that’s very humbling because you tell them to do a lot of things, and then you do them yourselves, and you notice that a lot more where it’s like, “Shoot, I actually do this.”
So –
Christa Innis: Oh, yeah. I know. It’s kind of funny. we’re in the toddler stages right now. Uh, my daughter’s three, and it’s like she’ll do something and I’m like, “Oh, that was straight up from me.” I literally did that gest- or I said it. this new thing is, if she kinda has, an attitude, I go, “Excuse me?”
And now she uses that against me. I’ll be like- … “Hey, don’t do that,” or She’ll look at me and she’ll go, “Excuse me?” And I’m like- … “Oh, no.”
Kristen Knutson: It’s like looking in a mirror. It’s like looking in a mirror. It’s so great.
Christa Innis: Oh, my God. It’s great. okay. So kind of backtracking for everyone listening, can you just tell them a little bit- Yeah
about you and what you do? I know we talked about, like, how you got into this, but, just more about your content
Meet Boomer Mom
Kristen Knutson: Sure. So I’m a digital creator, storyteller, comedian. mostly all of my content is focused around comedic and dramatic skit content, which is around family dynamics and motherhood.
so most people know me as Boomer Mom. That’s, my signature character, and I always say if you’ve ever had a conversation with your mom and you’ve needed to recover afterwards, then you’re my target audience. my content is for you.
Christa Innis: Love it.
Kristen Knutson: So I’ve been doing it since 2021, so that was since my son was born, so it’s been about five years, and there’s endless content.
So I’m still going strong, and I love it. It’s tons of fun.
Christa Innis: I find so many- Yeah … people I’ve talked to and met through here started, either maternity leave or when they became moms themselves, ‘ cause that was, like, for me too. It was, like, during mat leave I was like, “I wanna start making some kind of content,” and that’s, when I started making it.
But, so I find that really interesting. And you’ve also featured your actual mom in some of your skits too I’ve seen, right?
Kristen Knutson: Yeah. So Yeah, she’s such a good sport.
Christa Innis: Yeah. so she- She’s funny.
Kristen Knutson: She’s- … she likes
Christa Innis: it?
Kristen Knutson: She likes it. Yes, she likes it. she’s funny. She has a good sense of humor, and I think similarly to me, she’s very self-deprecating, so she recognizes herself in the content, which is…
I appreciate that. I do have a Boomer audience who actually follows me, and they bond with their kids and their grandkids over it, and I’m like, these are the more, the people that we need in this world.” And I’m the same way. I’m also self-deprecating. I have a lot of quirks. It’s not meant to be, like, this, super serious, “They need to fix themselves.”
I actually find a lot of these funny, silly quirks that my mom has really endearing, and I’m like, “Don’t change that about yourself.” I think it’s great, and I do think that we’re all products of our generation. I think she recognizes that.
Christa Innis: Absolutely, yeah. I know. I feel like every generation, is able to, like, reflect or, like, learn what maybe their challenges were or why they are that way.
‘Cause I feel like the generation- Yeah … even before that, like my grandma’s generation, my grandma always tells me, like, it was very common to be, like, smoking while you were pregnant, that’s just, a very generalization- Yeah
thing. But she’s like, It was all about, like, you wanted to look thin, all the time. it was just, more about, like, appearances and, so I feel like they probably- Yeah … grabbed that. Like, our parents’ generation probably grabbed some of that from them, and then we’re like, “We’re gonna change this a little bit.”
We’re gonna learn more about our health-”
Kristen Knutson: Totally … “and not do that stuff.”
Christa Innis:
Kristen Knutson: totally. And it’s true that in a lot of ways they didn’t know any better. we live in in the age of information almost, our detriment. it’s like information overload, and things that we do are wrong and right or whatever, and there’s all of these debates, whereas like I feel like back then, even when our boomer parents were raising us, it was just like there was one way of doing things- Mm-hmm
and that was the information that they were fed, whereas like now there’s like 12 different ways of doing one thing in parenting, or now you have like thousands of different ways.
Christa Innis: I think it was simpler times.
Yeah. No, I agree with the information overload, because yeah, they didn’t have-
Kristen Knutson: Yeah
Christa Innis: internet to log on and be like, “Wait. Should I do it this way?” And then be fed with, you know- Yeah … so many different options. Before it was like a neighbor or their own mom or an aunt, to be like, “This is how you do it,” and that’s it, you know?
Kristen Knutson: Exactly. Exactly.
Christa Innis: So I feel
Kristen Knutson: like- Yeah, that’s true.
they talked to their neighbors.
Christa Innis: yeah, exactly. And talking back about what you’re saying about people enjoying your content and not getting, offended by it. Because I feel like- Mm-hmm … there’s times where I, like, share a mother-in-law skit. And again, yeah, for the most part everyone likes it, but then you get those people that are like, “Oh my gosh, not all mother-in-laws are like this.”
I’m like, ” Yeah, I know that,” because I have a great mother-in-law. This, these are not after her. People send me in stories, and it’s their own experience. But,
Kristen Knutson: not getting, offended by it and just being like, “There are some people like this. There are some people that act like that.” And finding the humor in it- Yeah
Christa Innis: is, I feel like, you said before recording, it’s very therapeutic
Kristen Knutson: Exactly, yeah. I see it as, we’re making a movie, and so you don’t watch a movie and say, “Oh, I’m not like that. How dare you make a, movies like that?” Because it depicts a certain personality that’s not necessarily the exact, archetype that you’re dealing with, right?
Yeah. So that’s how I always see it. I’m like, sure, you can watch this and not relate to it, and that’s fine. You can just go ahead and move on. and you’re always gonna deal with that. I’ve seen the trend of, like, the what about me-ism, right? Where everyone’s like, if it doesn’t exactly fit what you wanna see, then people get mad about it.
Like, the bean soup theory- Yes … where, like, a person, put, a recipe up about bean soup, and someone’s like, “Well, what if I don’t like beans?” “What are you gonna make for me?” And it’s like, well, then just don’t make the recipe. You can just go ahead and move on. Not
Christa Innis: for you. Yes.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah, exactly. this doesn’t need to be for you, then.
Christa Innis: I know. That is, one of the things with social media where people think, “If it’s on my feed, I have to comment and tell them I don’t like it.” And it’s like- Yeah … maybe it’s not meant for you. That’s okay.
Kristen Knutson: Exactly. Oh, my God. And I’m okay with it, too. It’s like, fine, I’m, open to criticism. open to your feedback.
Go ahead and leave it there. It’s engagement for me regardless, so go ahead and, drop it. I have my own, critiques, that I’m giving myself behind the scenes. Yeah. So I’ll take it or leave it depending on, the type, the tone of the comment.
Christa Innis: Yeah. So did you have, experience in acting or, writing or comedy beforehand, or just this kind of, like, bring it all out- No
yeah?
Kristen Knutson: Yeah. No experience in any of that. I followed, the traditional corporate route straight out of college. I got my degree in marketing but ended up in finance, so I had a career in finance, which made zero sense for me. but it was fun. but no, I really had no experience. I’m passionate about making content.
I was, like, always that kid in, middle school when we had our camcorders back then-
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm …
Kristen Knutson: making skit content with my friends. And, I remember asking You could buy, a software. Even we, those, massive computers, you could buy editing software.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Kristen Knutson: So I would edit our videos.
I would, like, make ’em slow-mo and try to make them funny. So I remember that’s always been a part of my personality, but I grew up in the Midwest, and so I didn’t really have access to, like, become a comedian or become an actress. So it just wasn’t really something I ever imagined doing, and I think, we live in the age of social media and being able to create our own content, so it’s been fun ’cause I’ve been able to find my voice and just find my passion by just, trial and error on my own.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I know, and that’s, like, the- Yeah … positive side of social media where so many people are getting opportunities to share. I kind of think of it as, like, a talent show in a way. You’re, like, scrolling through, like, different people’s talents, and I think it’s really beautiful in that way ’cause it creates this community and creates this, excitement for different kinds of talents and, people kind of coming together. you really, unlocked something when you said, like, creating, skits when you were a kid. I don’t know, did you ever use, iMovie- Mm-hmm … as a kid? Like, the first, I remember when iMovie came out and I was like, ” This is amazing.” Like, you can do, movie magic, remember my dad showing me that stuff, and takes me back.
Kristen Knutson: Yes, I totally remember that, and then you could add, special effects. Yeah. I thought it was, like, the coolest thing I’d ever seen, and if you would look at it today, it was, ridiculous looking.
Christa Innis: I know. I know. It’s so funny. It makes me think- Mm
like, I don’t know if you ever, like, when you’re filming, you, like, think about, looking back to, like, now, like, 10 years from now and being like, Oh my gosh, we used to hold our phones like…” You or whatever that looks like. what- Yeah … changes are gonna be in the next 10 years when it comes to, like, creating content or doing skit content and how it’s gonna evolve?
Kristen Knutson: Totally. I just think, even in, more recent memory, like, I have my phone right here. Like, how how weird it is or how weird it was to hold your phone and talk to it. Mm-hmm. even, like, 10 years ago where we were like, “Oh, how awkward.” we’re talking to nobody.
Where I feel like now this next generation is like this is, a person to a lot of people, where, like, talking to the phone is a really natural thing. it’s become, almost like a member of the family, which is, so sad and crazy to think about because- Yeah … we all wanna experience the ’90s and, be more present.
But yeah, I think technology it’s evolving constantly. Yeah. Right, right in front of us.
Christa Innis: I know. I said before, I was like, “Oh, yeah, I’m super introverted.” And someone’s like, “How? you make content online.” I was like, “Well, when I make content, it’s me.” I’m, like, in a room- Yeah
by myself. I would never be out, in public doing it. not eventually holding my phone, but eventually doing something.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah.
Christa Innis: do you feel
Kristen Knutson: similar? Like, on a stage or something.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Like, do you feel similar? Um- Are you looking to take your career to the next level of, doing stand-up comedy or acting?
Do, have you ever thought about that?
Kristen Knutson: I’ve thought about it, but not in a way of “Let’s start doing this tomorrow,” because the thought of it is, terrifying, especially stand-up comedy. That terrifies me. That’s, the hardest job in the world. I don’t think comedians get enough credit for that.
Crazy Moms and MIL Stories
Christa Innis: but it’s true. it’s a much different art, like, making something in your house is so much different than in front of an audience. Mm-hmm. So yeah, I don’t know. I think it’s a different type of art. I think it would be fun, but it’s just, it’s a different type of muscle that I think I would have to, practice,Oh, yeah, for sure. Okay, so I know- Yeah … you, reached out to your audience, ’cause I kinda wanna jump into those ’cause I feel like those will be fun to read.
Kristen Knutson: Let’s do it.
Christa Innis: You reached out to your audience and asked them if they had any crazy… Did you say, like, crazy mother-in-law stories or crazy stories around weddings?
Kristen Knutson: I said around weddings with emphasis on moms and mother-in-laws.
Christa Innis: Okay.
Let’s hear some of those ones that your audience sent you
Kristen Knutson: Okay. Maybe I’ll start with, like, one of the shorter ones. I got a lot of, crazy gift stories. So like wedding gifts that they received from either an in-law or their own mom.
Like endless amounts- Oh my God … of content there. But this one I thought was particularly crazy. So it’s, ” As a wedding gift from my mother-in-law and her friends, I called it the baby-making kit. Inside the box was an all-time greatest love album, a candle, an ovulation test kit, and pregnancy tests. Yes, all wrapped up and given to us at our wedding.”
Christa Innis: Oh, an ovulation kit is wild.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah, that’s next level. A candle. And I like how they, like, tried to, set the vibes, too- … with, like, a love album and a candle. it’s-
Christa Innis: They’re like, “Here, this is how we
Kristen Knutson: made
Christa Innis: your husband.” That’s- “
Kristen Knutson: This is how.” Yeah. And it’s…I didn’t catch this when I first read it.
From mother-in-law and her friends. So she went in with her friends to get that for them? That makes it almost, creepier. Yeah. It wasn’t just, her own gift.
Christa Innis: So they were like… What can we do so you can have grand babies faster? Let’s set the tone.” it’s so icky in general.
Uh-huh. Like, when you go to a wedding or, bridal shower and you’re like, “When are you gonna have kids?” Yeah. You gonna hop o- like, get ’em, quickly?” It’s, like- Right … such, a archaic thought to me now. I don’t know.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah. It’s just way TMI. Because, there’s only one way to make a baby, right?
Or, like, there’s one picture that you have in your head, right? Right. About when you, like, traditionally make a baby. And, like, having that type of conversation with my in-laws, shoot me. it’s the last thing I wanna talk about with my mo- mother-in-law. this is just, take it to next level, about, like, getting you ready to have a child.
it’s
next level. And by the way, like, not everybody wants kids or wants them the day you get married, you know? Yeah.
Christa Innis: I know, like, let them enjoy their wedding day at least. I know, I remember- Right … I was at a shower years ago, and you know, the traditional thing where it’s like if you break a ribbon, that’s how many kids you’re gonna have.
Have you heard that?
Kristen Knutson: Oh, I’ve never heard that.
Christa Innis: I don’t know if that’s- No … like, where that came from. But that was always, like, a thing. Like, my family was always like, “Oh, it’s a… If you break a ribbon, that’s how many kids you’re gonna have.” And I remember my sister at her wedding, who now, ironically now has three kids, like, at that point, she was like, “I don’t know if I want kids.”
she was, like, so carefully trying to, like, not break ribbons. But we were at this other shower years ago. And the parents were, like, geeking every time a ribbo- “Oh, they’re gonna have another one.” I was like, “Guys, can you just open these things?” Oh,
Kristen Knutson: that is… Wait, and what do you mean by breaking a ribbon?
Like, I mean, out of the bow?
Christa Innis: So basically like- Is
Kristen Knutson: that what they mean?
Christa Innis: No, like if you open it like the normal way, like untie it or whatever, it’s fine. Yeah If you’re like, pop it, if you’re unwrapping it and the ribbon like pops or like breaks where like it shouldn’t, that meansyou’re gonna have a baby
Kristen Knutson: or something. I’m, I’m so glad that nobody in my family knows what that is, and that we weren’t tracking that my shower.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I know.
Kristen Knutson: It’s so funny. So it’s
Christa Innis: behind us now, so. And it’s weird too, because it’s at the bridal shower too, where it’s like you’re like trying to celebrate the wedding and all that, but they’re just like…
I don’t know. It probably started in like the ’50s or something, where it was like a baby, like get the babies going.
Kristen Knutson: That’s true. That’s true, and it’s like I would wanna talk to someone who, got married in the ’50s or ’60s, because I do feel like it was such a different age where it was like, “You need to have five to six kids, and in order to do that, you need to start having babies immediately.”
Whereas, like, when I got married, I never really felt the pressure necessarily. I was like, “Okay, we’re gonna get married, and we’re gonna have, a couple years, and then start thinking about having kids.” Like, I just didn’t feel that rush, but I do think that, decades ago they were like, “Okay, let’s start popping them out tomorrow-” Yes
and then see just, how many kids that we can have.
Christa Innis: yeah, I totally agree. Which
Kristen Knutson: is, yeah.
Christa Innis: I never felt pressure either and, but I feel like previous generations it was, like, expected of women. Yeah … like, you check a list, right? You find a guy, you get married, you have a baby, and if you weren’t doing that, there was something wrong with you or something, you know?
‘ Cause I remember my mom saying- Mm-hmm … ’cause my mom technically got married late and had kids late, and late was 26. My mom got married at 26, but that was considered late when she got married, and she was like, “I had cousins that called me-” Same … a spinster because I wasn’t married yet.” And she was like, “Yeah-” Are you kidding me?
so I just had to, like, brush it off. Yeah. she had her first kid at, like, 29, and that was, considered old, you know? And so I never felt pressure ’cause my mom never put the pressure on me, but a lot of my friends, like-
Kristen Knutson: Yeah …
Christa Innis: they would be like, “Oh, my mom had me already at this age.
I need to get going.” I’m like, “No you don’t. calm down. It’s okay.”
Kristen Knutson: For sure.
Christa Innis: And-
Kristen Knutson: Exactly. I think it’s just like there’s no right or wrong age to do it, right? until you get to a certain age where, like, it’s like there’s, health issues, but everyone finds the right time for them, and I think that’s, just…
And society has become a lot more accepting of, people just trying to navigate things on their own timeline. I personally don’t think I was mature enough in my 20s. I truly feel like I was, like, too selfish. and I’m sure, once you have a baby, like, your brain actually does rewire itself, so I’m sure I could have surprised myself and been a really great mom in my 20s.
But I just think through, like, the type of person that I was then versus the type of person that I am today, and I’m like, ” I’m glad I had my babies starting in my 30s, in my early 30s.” I feel like that was the perfect time for me.
Christa Innis: Yeah, 100% I agree, too. I look at my 20s and I’m like, ” I was still a child, like a baby.”
Like,I can’t. I’m sure, yeah, you figure- No,
Kristen Knutson: I was so immature …
Christa Innis: yeah. I’m sure you figure it out- … but I’m just like, this was a good time for me.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Christa Innis: Okay, what’s another one someone sent you?
Kristen Knutson: All right, let me see. should I do the longer one? It’s a little-
Christa Innis: Sure
Kristen Knutson: chatty, but I’ll do it. It’s two paragraphs, so… wedding story. My mom yelled at me in the middle of my reception because she didn’t get a moment with me after I had asked her if she wanted to do a reading during the ceremony or sing a duet with me, we’re both singers, during the reception, and she refused both.
She was apparently feeling not included when I did everything possible to include her. She didn’t want to be included and wanted to hold it against me instead. And then she didn’t want to drive home after, or drive home alone in the dark, early in the dancing mind you, but we had a shuttle. She just didn’t wanna take it, so she tried to get my brother to go with her.
He told her he wanted to stay at his sister’s reception. Oh,
Christa Innis: my. she could not have been happy no matter what they did is what I’m getting.
Kristen Knutson: Yes, that’s exactly it. It was like victim mode. I think she like, there’s something about this woman who wanted to be a victim somehow, some way, and she was gonna find a way-
Christa Innis: Yes
Kristen Knutson: to do it, ’cause this woman clearly was inviting her mom to be included. Like, sing a duet with her. Yeah. She couldn’t have been more involved by doing it. Like, what a nice- Like- … special thing. And they both are singers. Somebody asked you to sing at her- They’re the best. Like, I didn’t ask my mom to do that.
that’s so special. And so then she says no, and then is like, “I’m not being included.”
Christa Innis: It’s
Kristen Knutson:
Christa Innis: like, what do you
Kristen Knutson: want? Like, what else she- You wanna walk down her red carpet? … she’s included on? Yeah. Right? did she wanna be the bride? it almost feels like she wanted to be as special as the bride that day or something.
I don’t know. It, something seems a little off.
Christa Innis: I’ve weirdly heard- Yeah … a lot of stories where the mom expects to be walking down the aisle with the bride. I know, like, you can do that now where you walk with both parents. I see that a lot of times. I know, like, in our wedding, my husband walked down with both parents.
But,
Kristen Knutson: Mm-hmm …
Christa Innis: I’ve seen ones where, like, the mom expects it, and then when the bride’s like, “No, I’m just gonna walk down with Dad,” they get, offended. They’re like, “Oh, well, I was planning on walking down with you.” And then they get, like, a weird way. I’ve read a couple, a few stories like that now where I’m just like, “That’s so interesting.”
Kristen Knutson: Yeah … ‘
Christa Innis: cause that, wasn’t the norm, so I don’t know if, they saw one bride do it, and they’re like, “Oh, they have to include me now to walk down,” or I don’t know. It’s very odd.
Kristen Knutson: Right. And that’s where this, the whole thing of, tradition gets a little See both sides there in a way where it’s like, we did it really traditional.
actually most weddings I’ve ever been to where it’s like the bride will walk down the aisle with her dad. and that’s what I did. But I’m like, why is that the tradition? I guess it’s like the dad giving them- their daughter- Daughter away … away. Yeah. I guess it’s like special and sweet.
It’s such a weird thing to- But then again, yeah, it’s kinda weird, is it not? Like, it kinda is. Like, why
can’t my mom be included on that? Yeah. But then again, I don’t know. I feel like default is like you have your dad walk you down the aisle. Yeah. It’s ultimately, like it’s up to the bride, right? If the bride says, “You’re not, you shouldn’t give me away,” like she gets to decide- Yeah … not the parents.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I know.
I think I de- ba-ted having both my parents, and then like with timing I think brother just walked my mom down the aisle, so she was like a part of like walking down, and then with the grandkids up front it was just kinda worked out better that way. it’s weird, like when you look into like- That’s really
Kristen Knutson: sweet
Christa Innis: yeah, it’s like when you look into like the history of why they did it, it was the father like not selling, maybe it was selling the bride, I don’t know. But like giving the bride to like, his person of choosing and ba- Yeah … basically like one man to the next, which I think is kinda weird if you like think about it.
Kristen Knutson: Right. yeah, that’s why I’m like, okay, I’m not opposed to breaking those traditions.
I’m like, you know what? Like Iit’s not abnormal for somebody to wanna walk, to have their mom join them, or just have their mom do it, just have their dad do it, or have somebody else that’s special, or just walk alone.
Ultimately it really, it’s like up to the bride in my opinion. Yeah. the part that’s not okay in my opinion is for the mom to be like, “You better walk me down the aisle as a part of- Yeah … your wedding day,” ’cause it’s not her decision to make- Yeah … unfortunately. And
Christa Innis: the thing is too, like in this particular case saying like, “Oh, I wasn’t included enough,” you’re the bride’s mother.
Yeah. Everyone knows who you are. You’re gonna wear a beautiful dress, and it’s gonna be special. Like you don’t need a big spotlight on you for people to recognize, like, “Oh, she’s here. It’s her day.”
Kristen Knutson: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And I feel like, we said, like she’s just trying to find something to complain about or something to make, the bride feel bad about on her day, and it’s like, no, it’s not gonna work.
Kristen Knutson: Yes, and then her wanting to leave early, they got them a shuttle, so they were nothing but accommodating. they clearly thought ahead, and then she just didn’t wanna do it, and was like, ” Nope, I’m leaving. Brother has to go with me” I think she was entering that day in victim mode.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Kristen Knutson: It appears.
based on what I’m reading.
Christa Innis: Yeah. It’s like something happened early on, like someone said something, and she’s like, “That’s it. I’m gonna hold onto this and it’s gonna go my way” or-
Kristen Knutson: Yeah, and I, it’s, you feel for the bride, ’cause then it’s like you know she was tiptoeing around her feelings- Mm-hmm
and probably feeling guilty the next day when it really wasn’t her responsibility. ultimately, like, your parents are responsible for their own feelings and their own day, so- Yeah … I feel for the bride.
Christa Innis: No, totally. Okay, let’s do a little, before we get to this week’s story submission from-
Kristen Knutson: Yeah
Red Light, Yellow Light, or Green Light?
Christa Innis: someone, okay, I’m gonna do, it’s called Red Light, Yellow Light, or Green Light. I’m gonna read something- Okay … and then you tell me, red light is like awful, bad, green light is good, and then yellow is maybe in the middle. Okay.
Kristen Knutson: Okay.
Christa Innis: using your real-life family dynamics as inspiration for your characters.
Kristen Knutson: green light, obviously.
Christa Innis: I think inspo is fine, yeah.
Kristen Knutson: I think I could like- Peter, between yellow and green on that. I think if you are, roasting your family on the internet and just, tearing them apart, that’s not appropriate. But if it’s in a playful, like, really sweet way, like my content, obviously nothing but nice-
Christa Innis: Yeah
Kristen Knutson: then I’d say, green light.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And your mom’s involved and knows about it too. It’s not like you’re, like, secretly, bashing her on the internet or something. I did a skit one time, I can’t remember which one, but it was based on one that someone sent me. So it had nothing to do with, me or my family.
But I think when, like-
Kristen Knutson: Mm …
Christa Innis: some people see it, like a different generation, they see it, they assume, I’m airing out my dirty laundry. And Yeah … this, woman left this super long comment and was like, ” How dare you bash your husband’s family like this and air your dirty laundry? No wonder, this is happening to you.”
And, going off. And, everyone was like, “This is a skit. This is not based on her family.” Right. It’s like, “Hey, yeah, this has nothing to do with me.” Right, again, yeah. But I feel like if people just see it, and they, assume the worst or something.
Kristen Knutson: Totally. Yes. I have my drama series too.
I’m writing a movie, right? Like, none… I don’t know these people. These are people that I’ve created inside my head, don’t worry about my in-laws. They’re great. They’re good. That’s just what I say. It’s just like, “I’m writing a movie, so this is fictional.” Of course, it’s, loosely based on some real experiences of other people,
Christa Innis: Yes
Kristen Knutson: yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah, of course. I feel like everything’s a little bit of inspiration. You grab stuff from all kinds of things, and that’s- Yeah … how you get inspired.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah, exactly.
Christa Innis: Let’s see. comparing your parenting to what you grew up with
Kristen Knutson: hmm. I’d say like yellow light Yeah Because there’s some things that are so dated and probably not appropriate. And then there’s other things, we keep saying, “90s summer, 90s summer,” because I felt like my upbringing was so great in so many ways because we were unplugged and no TV. So there’s so many different things that I, hope to bring into my style of parenting that my, mom did, but I’m sure there’s a couple.
I mean, it’s not all like rainbows and butterflies. There’s some things in there that are borderline unsafe for kids. Right So I’d say red or yellow.
Christa Innis: Yeah. There’s a lot… I was just telling some moms that, like some of my mom friends, and we were talking about like the survivor’s bias of like their moms being like, “Well, you guys didn’t use a car seat after one years old.”
And they’re like, “Yeah. we’ve learned a lot since then.” Like, “Well, you guys were fine.” Yeah. “Well, yeah, we survived.” just because we survived doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep our kids- Yeah … in a car seat till they’re four, five, si- you know? we’ve learned a lot.
Kristen Knutson: Exactly. Yeah. Or like, safe infant sleep has evolved so much.
I’ve seen so many pictures of me in a crib, and it’s like bumpers and 30 stuffed animals and 100 blankets piled up on top of me. And I’m like,a nine-pound infant just like sleeping. And I survived that, thankfully.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Okay, last one. let’s see. Calling out toxic family behavior patterns, publicly or subtly through content
Kristen Knutson: like, so toxic behavior patterns that you’re actually dealing with in real life?
Christa Innis: No, I would say just, in general, behaviors-
Kristen Knutson: Oh …
Christa Innis: like toxic families
Kristen Knutson: Green light to that,and we kinda talked about this before westarted recording, but I think it’s, good for people to see that. I think sometimes you’re in it, and you don’t know because you’re in it, or you grew up a certain way with a certain parent, and you’re sort of raised to, not recognize toxic behaviors.
So I think it’s totally fair game to display that in content or skip content because if anything, it’s just a tool for people to recognize, what they, things that are problematic, and maybe it’s a way to give them the tools that they need to get out of it or have really structured conversations with the people that need to hear it.
Christa Innis: Totally. Yeah. I think, like you said, it’s so therapeutic to be able to, like, see something online, being like, “Wow, I’m not alone in this,” or Wow, I dealt with that too.” Yeah. “I’m not crazy.” And I’ve heard so many people that send me in stories that are like, “Even if you don’t use this story, it was so therapeutic for me to type out and, understand my feelings.”
so yeah- Yes … I feel like it allows people to see, like, “Oh, wait, that wasn’t okay the way they treated me,” you know, vice versa.
Kristen Knutson: Totally. a lot of people, they don’t even see it or know that it’s happening, and then all of a sudden they see it, and it’s looking at a mirror, and they’re like, “Oh, I notice patterns,” or, “I’m seeing these little traits that are, yeah, that’s actually not fair to me.
Maybe I should speak up for myself or say something or start recognizing those patterns.” So I think it’s good.
Christa Innis: Yeah. All right. Let’s get into this week’s story submission. so- All right. I’m ready … this was sent to me, and let’s, see what we got here. Okay. here we go.
Engagement Session Crash
” I’m a wedding photographer, and do I have a s- crazy story for you.
it all started during this couple’s engagement session at a local park. Everything was going great. We were getting beautiful shots and having a fun, easy time until I noticed someone lingering in the background behind me. I turned around to see what was going on, and the bride just rolled her eyes and said, ‘Oh, that’s my mom.'”
Gosh. I’m already, like, picturing this woman, like, behind a tree. Oh, no. I’m
Kristen Knutson: sorry. is she hiding? Like, what do you- If anything, like, just, like, be there, you know? I
Christa Innis: know, like, why is she, like-
Kristen Knutson: Oh …
Christa Innis: 15 feet behind? her mom had literally crashed their engagement session, so she wasn’t invited. Not only that, but she immediately started criticizing the bride.
At one point, she told her word for word to pick her chin up because she looks fat. I would be like- Mm … “Can you leave please?” Oh my gosh.
Kristen Knutson: Mm-hmm. “
Christa Innis: I was honestly shocked. The poor bride had a big scarf on and kept trying to use it to cover her neck and chin after that.”
Kristen Knutson: Mm. “
Christa Innis: Eventually, I had to step in and politely tell her mom that we needed some space so we could actually focus on taking their photos.”
Fast-forward to the wedding day. I arrived at the venue and went to start photographing the bride getting ready. We had a very detailed timeline planned out, including the first look before the ceremony, but her mom kept interrupting. She made the bride change her lipstick at least three different times, which ended up setting us back an hour.
Okay, that’s-
Kristen Knutson: Mm-hmm …
Christa Innis: wild behavior. this makes me think that she has, tried controlling her daughter so many times over the years. Because if the bride just was like, “Okay, yeah, I’m gonna change it,” then she’s so, you know-
Kristen Knutson: Yeah …
Christa Innis: she’s like, “Oh, well, I can tell her what to do and she’s gonna just follow my lead.”
Kristen Knutson: yeah. It’s almost like she’s trained to just say yes and just do it, because- that tells me she’s probably been dealing with that her whole life, which is, that’s sad.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Kristen Knutson: Makes me sad.
Christa Innis: I know. ‘Cause I feel like if someone told me to change my lip, I’d be like, “Yeah, okay.” Like-
Kristen Knutson: No, on my wedding day I was so mean.
I’d be like, ” No. Like, this is literally perfect.” Yeah. everything I picked is perfect.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Kristen Knutson: No, that makes me so sad. And then the chin thing with the scarf, like, that’s horrifying. That makes me, like, just sad because I see content all the time where it’s like, my first bully was my mom.
Mm-hmm. And that’s, like, tells me that she was probably, just saying those things and then that becomes the voice in your head, So it’s not just her wedding pictures and her wedding day, but she’s probably been doing that to her whole life.
Christa Innis: Yeah, and it makes me wonder, like, think about, like, they’re trying on the the wedding dress, ’cause I’ve heard stories of that too, where they make comments- Mm-hmm
wearing the wedding dress and making comments about their body and it’s like, can you just let- her enjoy this moment.
Kristen Knutson: Yes, and then it’s making her focus more on her appearance when she shouldn’t be focused on that. I mean, of course- Yeah … you wanna look beautiful feel beautiful, and that’s all that matters on your wedding day.
So I’m sure it just, like, she gets in her head, and then you can’t even enjoy the day. That’s, ugh.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I
Kristen Knutson: don’t like that.
Christa Innis: No. it says, “We finally managed to squeeze in the first look, but there was no time left for portraits before the ceremony. Side note, completely unrelated to the mom, but just adds how insane the day was, the best man literally passed out right before handing the rings to the officiant.
The other groomsmen dragged him off through the trees, and the ceremony just kept going.” I just saw a video- I don’t know, on maybe TikTok or something, and the best man passed out, … I think Madison Humphrey- … mainly did it, and I was like, “This can’t be real.” Oh, that would be- And it literally happened.
the best man passed out, and they just, tried to carry him up, and they were holding him, and he was, like, swaying. obviously, like, drunk out of his mind. I’m just like-
Kristen Knutson: Oh, that’s so bad. I guess if he was drunk out of his mind, so it was one of those things where, like, self-inflicted, as the best man, wouldn’t you want them to keep going?
You know, where I’m like, “Just don’t look at me,” even though it’s, like, the only thing that people- Yeah … are looking at. It’s so humiliating, but in a way I’m like, “You know what?” Yeah. “I probably would want them just to keep going.”
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh, yeah.
Kristen Knutson: But The thing I’m worried about is, a health concern.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Kristen Knutson: You know, where they’re, like, dragging their, limp body through the trees. Like, I’m a little worried about- Just
Christa Innis: hide him through
Kristen Knutson: the bushes … the guy. Yeah, it’s like that’s what I’m worried about. does he need some medical attention?
Christa Innis: Right, ’cause this doesn’t say, what the reason is for him passing out.
Like, was he drunk? Was it really hot? Yeah. Did he not drink any water that day? Maybe we should be
Kristen Knutson: a little more
Christa Innis: concerned.
Kristen Knutson: Right. That’s what I’m worried about. Like, I want everybody to be, like, leaving the wedding ceremony alive, that’s like my number-one goal above and beyond, like, the perfect ceremony.
So that’s the number-one thing. If it is like, oh, he’s just drunk, then it is… it’s like, okay, go, just go, like, sit down in the corner and, like- Yeah … drink some water, and we’re gonna keep this going.
Christa Innis: Yes, and think about what you did.
Kristen Knutson: yeah. And you better, be thinking about it, and make it up to us at some point.
Christa Innis: Yes. Just thinking about the groomsmen dragging him through the trees, I’m just like, “Oh my God.” Yeah,
Kristen Knutson: that’s… I’m imagining this, limp body, getting, dragged through, and everyone just, like, ignores it. That’s- I’m a little concerned for the guy. Yeah. Hopefully he was okay.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I’m hoping if they did that, they just know, like, “Oh, it’s just Josh again.
He just passes out. Like, he’s good.” Yeah.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah. God. Like, that’s just a thing he does.
Christa Innis: Whatever. It’s fine
First Hijack and Bully Was Mom
He’s just kind of quirky. after the ceremony, we were supposed to move quickly through family photos so we could focus on getting the portraits of just the bride and groom since we had missed it earlier.
The bride had made a very clear list for family photos, and I was following it, but her mom kept jumping in, adding more and more group combinations. Then she started pulling her own friends into the photos without the bride and groom even being in them. Oh, my gosh. See, that’s where also like- Oh, no … I know it’s not in everyone’s budget, but, like, having a planner or a coordinator or someone there that can, direct things is so helpful- Yeah
because, to have some, like, a mom come in and being like, ” I’m the boss now. You go there, you go there,” I would just be, like, losing my mind.
Kristen Knutson: That’s so bad. That’s so bad. you only get so many photos, and I don’t know, I just feel like the photo part is such a drag.
So just to, like, have her take it over and get all these photos of people she probably didn’t even know, and she’s probably paying for it. I mean- Yeah … maybe the mom was paying for it. I guess that’s, like, a detail we don’t know, but
Christa Innis: Yeah …
Kristen Knutson: that’s a disaster.
Christa Innis: That’s pretty bad.
Well, ’cause you know, too, maybe I’m making assumptions, but based on, like, a lot of the stories that I read- Yeah … and since this is coming from the photographers, we’re not getting it, from the bride where I would maybe get more details. You know- Mm-hmm … this is the kind of mom that controlled the wedding guest list, is like, “Oh, we’re inviting these 50 people.”
Yeah. ” You haven’t seen them since you were a baby, but they’re my friends,”I feel like she probably- Totally had some… And the fact, again, that the,… bride so quickly changed her lipstick, not once, not twice, but three times. Mm-hmm. The mom’s definitely- Yeah … had some push and pull in this wedding.
She probably picked the venue- Totally … you know, made things her way.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah, I think that’s a fair assumption just based on everything else we’ve heard about this mom.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Kristen Knutson: I wouldn’t put it past her.
Christa Innis: No.
Kristen Knutson: You know what’s interesting is, on my wedding day, my mom, this isn’t, an evil thing, it was just her being her chaotic self.
She, loves her camera. She has this, really nice camera. She doesn’t totally know how to use it all the time, and she brought it to my wedding. And, I have the photographer taking photos of us, and my mom would come in and, try to snap photos too. So then my photographer would have to, like, wait for her to, like, get her photo.
so there was a moment in there that I kept reliving over and over again where I just had to, tell her pretty, firmly, “You gotta stop with the camera.” The camera has to go away.” I’m like, “I’m paying so much money for a professional to do this. it’s fine for us to get, like, iPhone photo.”
I’m totally cool with, like, photos.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Kristen Knutson: But I’m like, “The, big professional camera just, isn’t it for today.”
Christa Innis: Yeah, like, you’re off the clock today. Let’s let the professionals- Yes … do their job. Yes.
Kristen Knutson: Yes. I wanted her to be in them, and she kept taking her camera out, and she just, like, doesn’t know it.
She was, like, trying to, like, figure out the settings. She’s, like, learning how to use it- … on the spot. And I’m like, “I want you to be in these photos. put the camera down. I want you to be in these photos. I don’t want your camera, anywhere near this day. Like, you can take it out any other time but today.”
Christa Innis: That’s so funny.
Kristen Knutson: Oh. It makes
Christa Innis: me think of, like-
Kristen Knutson: Yeah …
Christa Innis: when they’re like, no photos during the ceremony, and you always see, like, an Uncle Bob or something, standing there with his iPad. Yeah. And it’s like, “Uncle Bob”- The
Kristen Knutson: iPad, yeah … “
Christa Innis: we got a photographer.”
Kristen Knutson: you always see the down the, you know, like, they try to get, the aisle ones with, the audience or whatever, and, you see, the big iPad in the way or, and, like, right to the left covering somebody, like, one of, the bridesmaids or something, and you’re like, “Oh, no.”
Christa Innis: No, I saw-
Kristen Knutson: Uncle Bob is gonna be in trouble.
Christa Innis: I saw one where it was literally covering the bride. The bride and, Oh … the groom were walking back down, it was planned, and there was literally, someone in the front standing with their iPad, it was the photographer saying, “This is why we say, no phones, no iPads.”
Yeah. and it’s so funny- Yeah … ’cause, you’ll hear a lot of times they talk about, older generations will be like, “Oh, the millennials and Gen Z, they’re always on their phones,” but then a lot of times at those kind of events,
Kristen Knutson: Mm-hmm …
Christa Innis: again, it’s a lot of generalization, so apologies to people listening- Yeah
if you’re offended. But, a lot of times at those events then you see, older people are the ones with their phones and iPads, and it’s like, “Put them away.”
Kristen Knutson: Yeah. “
Christa Innis: Okay, we got a photographer.”
Kristen Knutson: Yeah, or in my mom’s,case with her giant, I don’t even know what it is, like a Canon or something, that she doesn’t know how to use yet, that she’s trying to snap a couple.
But, I’m like, “Maybe, like, one or two, go ahead.” But it was, like, got to a point where she would, like, my photographer would have to pause for her to get her photo, and I’m like, “What are we doing?” Like, we’ve gotta, put it away, ‘ we just don’t have the time to, like, get you trained into how to use your camera on a day where I want you in the photos.
… we’re not doing this. That’s
Christa Innis: so funny.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah. No.
Christa Innis: Okay, so she says, ” At that point, I had to step in again and explain we were on a timeline and had to stick to, this list. I told her we needed to move forward so we could get photos of the actual couple. She stormed off in a huff.”
She’s probably never been told no before. Yeah. ” Then came the reception.” But honestly,
Kristen Knutson: thank God.
Christa Innis: Yes. I know.
especially, I feel like wedding professionals that work a lot of weddings have to have a strong backbone to say no to people. Yeah. Like, my photographer was really good at, like,getting people together and be like, “Nope, it’s time for this.
Okay, we need to get mom,” or, “We need to get, you know, whoever over here.” ‘ Cause they probably deal- It’s true … with a lot of unhinged people, or people that are just kinda like- That
Kristen Knutson: is true …
Christa Innis: not listening.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah, that’s a good point. it’s a good personality type to be, like, super, like, keep it, things in, be in charge, don’t be afraid of people’s feelings.
Just, keep it moving forward.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I was saying, like, I’m typically a pretty introverted person, but when I’m hired for, like, day of coordinator, which I don’t do too much anymore, but here and there- Yeah … you give me a schedule, I will make sure… I’m like, you need to be here. Okay, put the water down.
Get in this photo.” ‘Cause I’ve had, like, younger s- like- Yeah … siblings that’ll be like, “I don’t wanna be in this photo.” Not, I’m not talking kids. I’m talking, like- Yeah … adults that are, like, complaining. Like, “I don’t wanna be in this photo.” I’m like, ” Put your food down.”
Kristen Knutson: Yeah. “
Christa Innis: Get in the photo. We only got 10 more minutes.”
Yeah. “And then you gotta put your dress…” You know, whatever. Yeah. Or people that change out of their dress- And every minute counts … before. Yeah.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah, every minute counts. It’s a crazy, crazy day.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah. it’s a crazy job. I am, impressed because I feel like I would be immediately, like, everyone would be behind schedule.
Yes. Be like in the corner, like, talking to the guests. Yeah.
Reception: Deeper in the Iceberg
Christa Innis: Right. she said, “Then came the reception, which was easily the most unhinged part of the day. There was only one speech scheduled, and it was from the mom.” Oh, no. ” That alone should have been a red flag. She got up with a manila folder- Oh, no … and a gift bag.
Immediately started crying- no … and launched into a story about how, as a child, the bride always wanted a backpack from some ’90s pop group. She then handed the, the gift bag to the bride. The bride pulled out a child-sized backpack.” What?
Kristen Knutson: Oh, no. Then the mom- It keeps, keeps getting worse.
Christa Innis: I’m just picturing this.
Like, she’s like, “This is my grand moment to make my speech.”
Kristen Knutson: Yeah. “
Christa Innis: Then the mom opened the folder and started passing around childhood photos of the bride to the entire room, including pictures of her in the bathtub.”
Kristen Knutson: Oh, no.
Christa Innis: Why?
Kristen Knutson: Like- I feel bad for this bride …
Christa Innis: I need to know how many people were here, and, like, how she’s walking around. Like, take one and pass it, you know? Like…
Kristen Knutson: Yeah. it’s like show and tell.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Kristen Knutson: Like, oh, this is so bad. That would be weird. Okay. Maybe
Christa Innis: not.
Kristen Knutson: can we pause on the backpack for a second?
Because, what, did she wait, like, 20… she said no for how many years? And she’s like, “I’m gonna say no to the only thing you want in your entire childhood and give it to you when you’re, like, 25 or 30 years old?”
Christa Innis: When you no longer care about
Kristen Knutson: the backpack. Like, I don’t know, I would just be, like, offended.
I would be. Yeah, I would just be offended. I’m like, “So you’re saying you want to say no? You held this over my head for 25 years?”
Christa Innis: yeah …
Kristen Knutson: you could have given it to me, could, when I could have actually used it.
Christa Innis: Right.
Kristen Knutson: You know? I don’t know. Or maybe I’m, like, not catching. what was the point she was trying to make with the backpack?
Christa Innis: that part seems very odd to me, ’cause I’m like-
Kristen Knutson: Yeah …
Christa Innis: did he finally think, her wedding night was the moment to give it to her? ‘ Cause I’m also like- Yeah … the whole, like, gift thing, if you wanna make a gift sincerely about the person, you don’t need an audience, right? So I feel like if she actually- Yeah
was, like, sentimental of, like, something you wanted when you were a kid, and the night before the wedding or, like, they went out to dinner the week of, I feel like that would be sweet. But the fact that she did it- Yeah … she was like, “Here’s this ’90s backpack. Open it up,” that seems weird to me.
She wanted this whole audience.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah.
Christa Innis: I don’t know. That’s weird.
Kristen Knutson: Very strange. No, I agree with that. Gifts should just be… sentimental gifts, that’s a, one-on-one situation.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Kristen Knutson: That didn’t need to be a part of the speech. Yeah, that’s interesting. Okay.
Christa Innis: so she goes, “I went home thinking, what did I just witness?
But figured at least it was over. Nope. After I delivered the gallery, the mom called me furious. She complained that there were only 127 photos of her and the bride.”
Kristen Knutson: I could throw up.
Christa Innis: 127? What? With the bride and the mom. That is a lot. I don’t even think I. Oh my God, what are you even doing for money?
No, seriously.
Kristen Knutson: What? That’s so many photos
Christa Innis: What is she gonna do with all those? give them out
Kristen Knutson: at her- Yeah, that is… Or maybe she was just, so mean that she, like, didn’t like any of them, she seems to be very picky-
Christa Innis: Critical …
Kristen Knutson: mother, so maybe she, didn’t like… Yeah, critical. So she maybe didn’t like the angle or, they just weren’t good enough for her.
Christa Innis: Yeah. It
Kristen Knutson: seems like nothing’s good enough for this woman.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh my-
Kristen Knutson: Yeah, that is, ugh …
Christa Innis: wild behavior.
Kristen Knutson: Ugh, that would be a hard customer.
Christa Innis: Yes. I know, ’cause that’s the thing, too. It’s like she probably wasn’t even hired by… Maybe she was hired by the mom, I don’t know. But to, like- Mm … mom come in and sabotage all these things and, try to make it her own.
so she ends- Mm … with saying, “To be clear, I knew she would want a lot of photos, so I’d already gone out of my way to take plenty. But apparently a quarter of the entire gallery wasn’t enough. I finally had to tell her very directly that she was not my client, and that she needed to take it up with her daughter.
Hands down one of the most chaotic weddings I’ve ever worked.”
Kristen Knutson: That’s really bad. I feel bad for the daughter.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I feel like that
Kristen Knutson: would be so- That’s really bad. And, like, the daughter would be… Like, I would be, as the daughter, horrified even knowing that my mom reached out to the photographer to, critique her.
Yeah. That within itself is, like, so horrifying-
Christa Innis: Yeah …
Kristen Knutson: to me.
Christa Innis: And it makes me think that
Kristen Knutson: was- Ugh … not the
Christa Innis: only vendor the mom reached out to. You know she had other
Kristen Knutson: companies.
Christa Innis: Yeah
Kristen Knutson: Oh. And I feel like that’d be so- I’m just, I’m just thinking about all the admin that the daughter has to deal with. This is a lifetime-
Christa Innis: Mm
Kristen Knutson: of, tiptoeing, listening to all of her complaints. That is just so draining on somebody, and this kids aren’t even involved at this point. Yeah. I feel like once kids get involved, then it’s 10X as bad as it was. I, yeah, I just feel bad for her.
Christa Innis: Yeah. For the bride.
I feel like that would be so hard as the wedding vendor to, like, have a client you’re working with, and then having a parent come in and be like, “No, you need to do it this way.
Ooh … Do it this way.” And you’re like, “Well, you’re not my client. Sorry.”
Kristen Knutson: Totally …
Christa Innis: that’d
Kristen Knutson: be- Yeah. I’m sure they see it enough, like what she said was a perfect thing to say, which is like, “You’re not the client. Your daughter is my client. I listened to everything she needed, so take it up with her.
Like, Too many cooks in the kitchen- Yeah …
Christa Innis: at this point.” Yeah. You have to just, cut it. ‘ Cause I think the mom’s been used to, like we saw in the beginning, she’s been used to, like, being catered around. if things are not,
Kristen Knutson: Yeah …
Christa Innis: the way, she can’t control a certain way, like, she’s gonna make it go this way, and the daughter’s gonna bend backwards for her.
And so I think the fact that the photographer- Mm-hmm … was like, “No. I can’t do anything else. You’re not my client.” Also, what does she want her to do, go back in time or, like, give her a refund? She’s like, no, she did her job. It’s not in the contract- Yeah … to get 500 photos of the mom and the bride.
It’s not your day.
Kristen Knutson: Right. Right.
Christa Innis: Wild.
Kristen Knutson: That is wild. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Oh,
Kristen Knutson: my. Ugh. I wonder if she’s an only child or if she had siblings, or, maybe an only daughter. It feels like it’s, only daughter or only child.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Kristen Knutson: Maybe.
Christa Innis: Yeah. ‘
Kristen Knutson: Cause that woman’s got a lot of energy for one day.
Christa Innis: Yes …
Kristen Knutson: I don’t know.
Feels like there’s a lot of build-up to that.
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh, man. If you are the bride that received a backpack on her wedding day and you wanna reach out with more details, please do. my hope is that never surfaces-
Kristen Knutson: Yeah. Yeah, where are you now?
Christa Innis: I know. Where are they now? ‘Cause it’s like whenever I get to reach out- Yeah, are they okay?
to vendors, I love hearing from their perspective, but it’s so different than, the bride perspective because, there’s a lot of missing details, and I’m like, “I need to know more.” Like,I wanna- Like,
Kristen Knutson: I bet we don’t even know the, like… I bet it’s, like, just the tip of the iceberg with this lady.
Yes. You know? Like, I bet there’s so much more behind that. I
Christa Innis: know. We need to know about the planning process, the post-wedding. What was that? Yeah. The call after the- Yeah … photographer told her no. What did the mom call and
Kristen Knutson: say? Oh, man.
Christa Innis: Gosh.
Kristen Knutson: 100%, yeah. Even the backpack. let’s learn more about this backpack.
more.
Christa Innis: Yes. What was the ’90s band, first and foremost?
Kristen Knutson: Yeah. And-
Yeah …
Christa Innis: yeah. Oh my gosh. Okay. So I always like to end these with confessions that people send meon Instagram. it says- Okay … a compromise you made for your wedding that you now resent a little bit. This person said, “A photographer my mother-in-law knew.
We never got the full pictures, and he sucked.” I always say- Mm-hmm … the photographer is one that you have to be so careful about. I’ve heard people hiring family friends or, like, a cousin, and-
Kristen Knutson: Yeah … this
Christa Innis: is what happens.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah, and you can never get that day back. you can never get the photos back, so it’s definitely worth the investment.
Christa Innis: Yeah. that time we held a wedding and didn’t elope
Kristen Knutson: Oh, they wish they eloped … wish they eloped. Mm. Mm-hmm. That’s fine. That tells me someone convinced
Christa Innis: them or
was like, “You have to have a wedding.” Yeah. And I always feel like- Yeah … when you’re so, like, convinced in the beginning that it becomes someone else’s day, you wanted to- Yeah … have a big wedding and they said elope, or they wanted, you know, vice versa, You’re gonna look back and be like, “Oh, I should’ve done it the other way,” because then it becomes their- Totally
decision. You gotta
Kristen Knutson: go with your gut.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Kristen Knutson: Totally. You have to go with your gut and do what’s right with, for you. And yeah, you hear that a lot where it’s like, “We just wanna be married. We don’t wanna have the day,” Yes. But, if that’s what your heart wants, you should just go do it. Who cares who you piss off?
Christa Innis: Yeah. this person says- I
Kristen Knutson: know it’s way easier said than done.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I know. I always try to say, I’m like, “I know I’m not in the situation. This is just an outside- No … perspective.”
Kristen Knutson: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Christa Innis: Oh, okay, and this person says, “Inviting people my husband insisted on, but we don’t like them that much.”
Oh, why would you invite people you don’t like?
Kristen Knutson: Oh, right. Ugh. Wait, her husband wanted them- Yeah … to come? ‘
Christa Innis: Cause he insisted on inviting people. Okay.
Kristen Knutson: Why would he want… Wait, why would he want them there?
Christa Innis: Right? That’s so odd to me. So you don’t like people, but you want them at, he insisted on having them at your wedding.
Kristen Knutson: Unless there’s some weird, family tie. You know, it’s, like, childhood friends that they just feel like they have to have for formality sake maybe. I don’t know.
Christa Innis: Yeah, they’d feel bad or something.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah.
Christa Innis: All right. Last one, “Not speaking up about my guest list.” I hear that one. Mm.
Kristen Knutson: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Kristen Knutson: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: ‘that’s another one I hear- Yeah, that’s
Kristen Knutson: a lot of emotions.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I feel like there’s a lot of control when it comes to guest lists. again, that was one thing I was really lucky, like, I did not have anyone coming and saying, “Oh, you have to invite this person.” It was kinda just like I went to, like, my parents and my in-laws and was like, “Hey, tell me if there’s people- Yeah
you want invited,” and, that’s kinda what we did. But I hear so many stories- Yeah … about people being like, “You have to invite Marsha.” And it’s like, Marsha was our neighbor when we were three years old. I don’t know Marsha. You know, like-
Kristen Knutson: Totally. Yeah. It’s true. I think it’s,can get so heated and it’s so emotional, and it deals with money because with every seat, isn’t it, like, I’m sure it’s, way…
I wonder, do you know what, like, the numbers are now? average cost per seat is, 200 bucks per head or something. Oh, yeah. Like- It’s so insane … which is crazy. So then you’re like, why am I bringing Marsha into our special day when I haven’t seen this woman in, 31 years?” It’s, yeah.
Yeah. It gets chaotic. I was lucky, too, where I didn’t, I don’t remember any specific drama. But when it’s like, oh, my, somebody’s dad is paying for it and then the mother-in-law is, inviting half the wedding, it just feels like this game of, fairness, and yeah, it just gets super awkward. Very awkward.
Christa Innis: Yes. No, totally agree. All right. Yeah. Well, that was a wild, wild story, wild confessions. Thank you so much for- Yeah … coming on. It was great officially meeting
Kristen Knutson: you. Thanks for having me. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Kristen Knutson: You, too. I’ll look out for some more skits, some more drama skits.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Kristen Knutson: I love your content.
Christa Innis: Thank you. I know, I love yours, too.
I was saying, like, I, your, humor always, cracks me up because I feel like it’s, relatable and, like, it reminds me of people I know, and I’m just like, this is pretty funny.”
Kristen Knutson: Yeah.
Christa Innis: so tell everyone again- Thank you … where they can follow you, find your content, and then anything fun you’re kinda working on.
Kristen Knutson: Yeah. call me Kristen Marie on every single channel, so Instagram, TikTok, YouTube. oh, and Facebook. So those are, like, my drama hub, and then, Instagram is all, exclusive comedy for the most part. So yeah. I’m working on mostly right now just my fun drama series, which is sort of, like, the antidote to my comedy.
and just lots more drama to come through the rest of the year. So hopefully people can come, find me on any of those channels.
Christa Innis: Awesome. I love it, and we’ll, link it
Kristen Knutson: all. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Oh. Well, thanks again.
Kristen Knutson: Awesome. Thanks, Krista. It’s nice to meet you.
Christa Innis: You, too.
The Golden Child, Jealous Bridesmaids, and Broken Boundaries
My new book Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story is live!
Would you skip your sister’s wedding after she ruined one of the biggest moments of your life?
This week, I’m diving into two emotionally charged stories that had me thinking long after I finished recording. One centers on years of family favoritism that come to a head during wedding planning, while the other follows a bridesmaid whose jealousy turns into shocking boundary-crossing. From ruined dress shopping to friendship-ending confrontations, the drama is very real.
I’m also sharing my hottest takes on weddings, friendships, family dynamics, and why protecting your peace sometimes means walking away. If you’ve ever questioned who deserves a place in your life—or at your wedding—this episode is for you.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- A Lifetime of Favoritism – A bride-to-be questions whether she should attend her sister’s wedding after years of being treated as the “other” daughter culminate in a devastating dress-shopping experience.
- Should She Skip the Wedding? – I explain why honest communication should come before making a decision that could permanently affect a sibling relationship.
- Wedding Hot Takes – From child-free weddings to outgrowing friendships after the big day, I share rapid-fire opinions on some of the internet’s biggest wedding debates.
- The Bridesmaid Who Wanted Chaos – A bride realizes one of her closest friends isn’t celebrating her engagement—she’s quietly sabotaging it.
- When Boundaries Aren’t Respected – Dress shopping, bridal shower gifts, and repeated disrespect push one bride to ask her bridesmaid to step down.
- The Friendship Ends Immediately – Instead of apologizing, the bridesmaid walks away from the friendship entirely, revealing what I believed was there all along.
- Wedding Confessions – Listeners reveal the compromises they still regret years later, from surprise receptions to inviting difficult family members.
- Protect Your Peace – I close with a reminder that your wedding should reflect your relationship—not everyone else’s expectations.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “Protecting your peace is more important than keeping everyone happy.”
“You don’t have to put up with someone’s behavior just because you’ve known them for a long time.” - “Sometimes we force ourselves to stay close to people because they’re family, when really a little distance is healthier for everyone.”
- “If someone can’t have an honest conversation without ending the friendship, that tells you a lot about the friendship.”
- “Always get on the same page as your partner first, then let everyone else in.”
- “You can love someone and still realize they’re not healthy to have in your inner circle.”
- “Just because emotions are running high doesn’t mean communication has to disappear.”
- “A wedding has a funny way of revealing who truly supports you—and who just wants to be part of the spotlight.”
- “The people who respect your boundaries won’t make you feel guilty for having them.”
- “Don’t let fear of disappointing someone else rob you of the joy you’re supposed to feel on your wedding day.”
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Fan-Favorite Skits & Why Not Every Ending Is Happy
Christa Innis: Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Here Comes The Drama. I’m your host, Christa Innis. If it’s your first time here, welcome. We dive into some pretty wild stories from followers about weddings, events, bachelorette parties, and so much more. There’s really no limit. If you guys have a story of your own, please submit them.
We are always taking new stories, and I currently have a form of, over 300 entries, 300 plus probably. and it’s funny because when I turn these into skits, Once I’m into a new skit, I kind of forget old ones. Not like I forget the characters. if someone brings up a storyline, I’m like, “Oh, yeah.”
But you guys are so good about remembering, characters, what they wore, where I left you guys hanging, and where I need to continue. One of the most popular ones that I get a request for continuing is the Elle and Vivian skit, and that has been on my roster for so long to continue with season two, and I really can’t blame it on much other than, I just started ramping up other content, my podcast, and I was just like, “Okay, I need to do other stories.”
So if you are a fan of the Elle and Vivian skit, don’t worry, I do have plans on continuing it. I will give abetter estimate when I know. as of recording this, I just finished sharing the, You Stole Our Wedding Year skit with Lizzie and Max. and you guys convinced me to do an epilogue, so that was a two-part epilogue.
It was so much fun to create, but I know the ending made, people very disappointed just because I follow the storyline where, spoiler alert if you have not listened, fast-forward a little bit, but Max stays with Lizzie, and he ultimately cuts contact with his family. And the reason I wanted to share this was because not every story we get, in fact, we see all the time, does not end happy, and I know it would be great to have every story end where, oh, he realizes his mistakes, he’s gonna go back.
It just doesn’t happen like that. So I wanted to kind of show the outcome after that he goes through with it. He has too much pride to say, “You know what? I let my future wife treat you guys this way. I’m really sorry. I’m gonna back out now.” And it’s happened so many times, and people are like, “Okay, well, can you do one in a couple years or five years down the road and show us that he, realizes?”
And I’m like, I’ve seen firsthand where people are stuck in toxic relationships for a long time because of pride, or they’ve gone so long without talking to their family that they just kind of keep moving forward. I also wanna draw attention to when we get a story, we are only hearing from that person’s perspective, and I just talked about this on a YouTube, So for example, I could do a video from Lizzie’s perspective, right?
So Lizzie’s the toxic bride or bridezilla, if you wanna call her that, and I could do it from her perspective, and maybe from her perspective, Max’s family really did never wanna support them. Maybe Max’s family said no to a lot of things. Maybe early in their relationship, Max’s family was rude or dismissive of her.
We don’t know that, and I know people are gonna be listening and be like, “No, that’s not how it was.” but we don’t know, right? So when we get stories sent in, I just take it from that person’s perspective, and, you know, I tweak some things, I add some things, and, we just have to make our own assumptions as we listen to it.
and then of course I added in all the drama with the bride’s mom that did not actually happen. just having some fun with it.
Behind the Scenes & Finding a Better Creative Balance
But on to the next storyline. I don’t know if they’re gonna be reoccurring characters that you see. I know we always want the characters to keep going when we become really attached to characters.
I mean, I still get people asking about Ferris and Sloane, Elle and Vivian, like I said. what was the other one? Cher and Dion. People really love those storylines. If you guys don’t know what those are, we’ll link them at the bottom. Those are some of, like, the earlier long skits. After Ferris and Sloane, I did a lot more longer skits, and now I feel like I’m finally at a place where I have a routine of how to, manage my time, have boundaries, and also record, not quickly, but, Have a plan for when things come out.
I was saying this recently, but I used to film, in my bathroom, and I would just kind of have a very basic idea of what was gonna happen, pick up my phone and be like, “Oh, okay. You know, here’s the conversation that’s gonna go take place,” but then I would just kind of, like, roll with it. And then wild things would happen.
that’s how Ferris and Sloane season one happened. Like, things just came out, right? Now, I sit down, take my time with the script, write it all out, and then each character has an outfit, and I film character by character. Where it’s harder figuring out where each person’s standing, and I’m like, “Where should they be looking?
Okay, how does this scene look?” but where it’s easier is the editing because then I have everyone together. I can really get into the character, instead of being like, “Oh, this person’s mad, but this person’s sad, this person’s happy.” I hope you guys are enjoying how I’m doing things a little bit better this time.
I know you guys just see what I put out there. You don’t really see the behind the scenes. But for me, I feel a little more at ease ’cause when I tell you guys, Some of the skits I used to film, I could feel my heart pounding out of my chest when I was filming because I was, anxious about getting it done in a certain amount of time.
I would try to film, post, and edit all the same day. If it was late, I was, stressed if I, couldn’t get it done in time. So there was a lot going on, but, I think we’re at a better place now, and and I hope to constantly improve and constantly, add stuff to, how I’m creating and filming content for you guys.
Okay. So I know that was a little bit of a rant, but so many times you guys leave me such kind comments and say, “Never apologize for the rants.” I just get, They’re kinda like caffeination rants. I don’t even know, what you wanna call them. I get really energetic and excited about certain things.
Wedding Dilemma: Sister Rivalry, Family Favoritism & Should She Skip the Wedding?
Okay, let’s go into dilemmas. So this is a little dilemma that was sent to me. As a reminder, if you wanna send a dilemma, just ask me my opinion on something, or really want the audience’s opinion, I always share these on my social media, as well, so people can share. send them to me at hello@krystaennis.com, or you can DM me.
The best place to DM is on Instagram at heykrystaennis, and I will filter through those. it’s just a great way to get just some more input, because there’s a lot of situations out there that are really hard to just grasp on, like, what to do, and it’s good to get an outside perspective. Okay, so here we go.
” My sister Emma and I are both getting married nine months apart. She got engaged first, and I got engaged about six months later. We booked our wedding venue just a few weeks after getting engaged for our 2027 wedding. Shortly after, Emma booked hers July 2026
It honestly felt like she rushed to lock hers in first because she seemed annoyed that we booked our venue so quickly. Dress shopping for Emma was a nightmare. She tried on nearly 100 dresses, and throughout the process, our mom made her feel awful. Our younger sister and I spent most of the appointments trying to do damage control and keep the peace.
Fast-forward to six weeks before Emma’s wedding, it was finally my turn to say yes to the dress. Everything was going perfectly until we left the bridal shop. Out of nowhere, my mom became upset, insisting that I hadn’t thanked her and that I’d been speaking to her rudely. That simply wasn’t true, and several other people were there to back me up.
Then Emma completely exploded at me. She called me rude, criticized the way I behaved, and reminded me that our mom had paid for my dress. An argument broke out, and I left the bridal shop in tears. Since that day, I haven’t spoken to either of them. Wow. Emma’s wedding is in six weeks, and right now I don’t plan on going even though I’m one of her bridesmaids.
I feel like she completely ruined what should have been one of the most special days of my life. As for my mom, she has a habit of getting upset any time she isn’t the center of attention, and this wasn’t the first time it’s happened. I’ve decided I’m going to pay my mom back for the dress, and honestly, I’m seriously considering cutting ties with both of them.
I know that might sound extreme, but this was the final straw after a long history of similar behavior. Growing up, Emma has always been the golden child. okay. So that’s where it leaves off. I think… Gosh, there’s so much to say here and so much to unpack, right? and it sounds like she says there’s a long history, right?
So I can only grab what I’m given here. Okay? I think there’s a lot of tension just building up over the years. I don’t think, like she said, I don’t think it’s about just this one thing, but the fact that her mom exploded on her and then the sister didn’t back her up and started going off on her saying, “Well, you should be grateful ’cause Mom bought this dress for you,” it just sounds like a competition was just ready to come head-to-head and explode.
Now, where it comes for… inviting them or not inviting them… you know what? Let’s start first by talking about her not going to the sister’s wedding
You can only be the one to decide that, right? You know deep down and you know everything that’s happened. And if something in your gut is telling you not to go to this because you’re gonna be miserable, uncomfortable, you would rather them just have their day than more power to you. However, I personally would not just no-show.
I would talk to your sister ahead of time and say, “This is what I’m feeling. This is what I’m thinking about,” and just sit down and communicate. Maybe that’s been weighing on her too. Maybe there’s something you guys can clear the air on, and I’m not saying it’s gonna fix everything. Tensions run high around weddings and all kinds of events, and I would just hate, again, we all have our reasonings for blocking or distancing ourself from people, but I would just hate for you to look back on it and being like, “Ugh, I should have just talked to her.”
Or you find out later, like Emma’s going through something, and you’re like, “Ugh, I wish we just communicated, and now I wasn’t at her wedding for her.” So I would just really Think about how you can maybe reach out to her and just say like, ” I just wanna discuss what happened. This is what hurt me.
I really wanted you to back me up when mom was making my dress shopping about me. This was something I’d looked forward to for so long, and I really feel like it was ruined. You took the joy out of it.” And just see what she says because I think like at the end of the day, you want her there to support you, right?
But it doesn’t always look like that. It’s not gonna always be that way, and so I think it’s really important that we ask ourselves, ” Okay, how can this work moving forward?” And if it’s not going to work and if you reach out to her and she’s rude back, she’s like, “Whatever. I don’t care if you don’t come.
Please don’t come. I’d rather you not come,” then you know, right? I just hate leaving it completely open-ended and not reaching out or giving that last piece ‘ cause I think in the heat of the moment we say a lot of things we don’t mean or our emotions take over us, and we’re already stressed about the wedding, right?
And so we say things and we’re just like, ” Whatever. Screw you. stop talking to me.” so I would just try to reach out. As for your mom, it sounds like a completely different relationship. In the beginning, it does sound like there’s still that competition with Emma, but with your mom it sounds like there’s always been a kinda rift, right?
So if you can get okay with one, at least have communication with one, ask yourself is it worth the communication with your mom? Again, I think it is worth a conversation, but it sounds like the mom conversation’s gonna be a lot bigger and a lot deeper, and if she’s someone that’s not willing to hear you out or like you say, she’s upset when she’s not the center of attention, that’s gonna be a much harder conversation.
Now, you have six weeks until the wedding, which in wedding planning is not a lot of time, but in talking to someone I think it is a lot of time. Plan a couple weeks out, let’s meet for coffee. It’s in a safe place, you’re in public, which means people aren’t gonna be, like, yelling. if you go to someone’s house, there’s more likely to be some yelling and some disagreement.
So if you’re like, “Hey, let’s meet for coffee. I just wanna calmly talk to you about something that’s been upsetting me.” I’m getting married, right after Emma. I always picture my mom and my sister there, but as of right now, I’m feeling that would cause me more stress. So you kinda have two angles to go here.
Focus on your sister’s wedding first. Don’t do the no call, no show, you know, kinda thing. I really think if you aren’t going to go, you need to tell her. That way, she could be at fault here. I’m just an outsider. But picture being a bride and then your sister not showing up that day and you had no clue.
That can leave you at a very difficult position, and that can leave you feeling very anxious and upset on your wedding day. So just something to think about there okay. So then going to your wedding, you say right now you’re considering cutting ties with both of them. So again, I don’t know everything that happened in the history.
You said this was the final straw. So there’s been things throughout your life that has upset you. Maybe it’s been the two against you. I don’t know where your little sister comes into that. It says Emma’s been the golden child. So I feel like this has been something that you’ve been dealing with for a long time, whether it’s been internally or externally, a lot of fights or disagreements You need to think about everything and you kind of come to this conclusion.
And if you feel more stress about having them at your wedding, this might be the right decision. Obviously, Emma’s wedding is first, so I would see how Emma’s wedding goes if you decide to go. If not, communicate, and then you have to go to the next one.
It’s hard, especially when two siblings that have been rivals get married within the same year. We see it time and time again in stories that are sent to me. It’s just a very challenging time, and it’s hard to let go of, disagreements or different things that happened when you were a child.
And I think everything kinda comes to a head, whether that’s good or bad. I think sibling fights can be good, ‘ cause it can kind of bring out true emotion and true communication, but then you kinda have to either decide, do you wanna piece it back together one by one, or do you wanna let it fall apart?
Hot Takes on Weddings, Friendships & Protecting Your Peace
So I know that was kind of a lot, but I’m interested to hear what other people have to say as well. So if you guys listening have your own input, maybe something similar happened to you or you’ve seen something similar happen, please leave a comment on our YouTube or on our social media. All right, I hope that helped.
All right, guys, let’s jump into some hot takes, and then we are going to get in this week’s story submission. All right. Not every best friend needs to be your maid of honor. 100%. Yes. I don’t think, being a friend or a sibling guarantees you’re gonna be a maid of honor or even a bridesmaid. Everyone does things differently.
it’s just your closeness, maybe reliability, maybe their desire to be in a wedding. Some people just don’t care about that stuff, so ask yourself those questions. It’s okay to outgrow friendships after a wedding. Yes, and I was just actually thinking about this the other day, not only are weddings make or break for a lot of relationships and a lot of, like, family relationships, it’s make or break for people in your wedding.
And I hate to say it like that, but I’ve been in a lot of weddings where the last time friends saw each other was at the wedding. whether it’s a wedding guest or bridesmaids, but specifically I was thinking about bridesmaids the other day, and I think it’s because you hang on to these friends for so long, and you’re like, ” Oh, yes, they’re gonna be a bridesmaid in my wedding,” and then it falls to the wayside.
There’s also that certain friend where their whole life friends are on the back burner, and every guy they date is on the pedestal in front of them, right? So they have these friends to hold onto until they get married, and then they’re married, and they’re like, “Mm-kay. I’ll use them whenever I need them.”
And I’ve definitely have been that friend. I’m not gonna say too much more than that. So I think you sometimes just realize, like, they came to my wedding, and I think that’s … We don’t really have much more in common. Sometimes the bridesmaid isn’t the problem, the bride is. 100%. We see that in stories all the time.
If someone complains about every wedding they’re invited to, maybe they’re the difficult guest. Yeah, I’m shaking my head in case you can’t see. Just people in general that every time you see them, they’re complaining about something- Probably not the easiest person to please, and they’re just gonna find something wrong no matter what.
Friends shouldn’t expect to bring their partner everywhere. In regards to weddings, I think your friends should be able to bring their partner. However, yes, I think it’s healthy to have… speaking from a woman, a girl, you should have… I am all for female friendships, and I think you should Leave your partner at home and have female friendships. I had so many friends growing up that, like, could not go anywhere without their partner. Or if you’d be like, “Oh, we’re gonna have a girls’ night,” they’d be like, “Oh, well s- so-and-so come?” And you’re like, ” This is a girls’ night. He’s not invited.”
I think it’s healthy to have female friendships without your partner. You need it. All right, family hot takes. Child-free weddings are not anti-kid. Yes, I’ve said it a million times. You can absolutely love kids and realize that not every single wedding is gonna be the place for them.
I can think of tons of places that just are maybe not suited for kids, and that’s okay. Grandparents aren’t automatically entitled to babysit or see grandchildren whenever they want. Yeah, of course, No one has that right to automatically see kids. family members don’t deserve unlimited chances just because they’re family.
Correct. I will not be elaborating at this time. Protecting your peace is more important than keeping everyone happy. Yes, 100%. Sometimes going low contact is healthier than constantly trying to fix the relationship. Yes. You need to understand Especially if it’s a relationship that constantly struggles or constantly has its battles, you need to decide when it’s time to step back and say, “Okay, we are not gonna be that type of sibling, friend, neighbor,” whatever.
‘ Cause sometimes we force ourselves to be close to someone because they’re family, and I think sometimes we have to realize, like, “Okay, we can be good siblings, but maybe not, like, best friend siblings,” or, ” We can be like this, but not like that,” or, “We can hang out this way, but not, like, that way.” so I think low contact works for a lot of people, and that doesn’t mean you don’t like them.
It doesn’t mean you’re not agreeing at the time, it just means you’re respecting your peace in a way that’s healthy for the both of you. That can also be things like, okay, we don’t follow each other on social media, or we don’t, Hang out at each other’s houses. We only meet in public places. that kind of thing, just to keep yourself, at peace.
Wedding Story: The Jealous Bridesmaid Who Couldn’t Hide It
All right, guys, this week’s story submission, let’s get into it. My best friend Emily and I got engaged around the same time. Ooh, this is, like, really close to the start of the other one. we also had another friend, Chloe, who we were close to at the time, but she wasn’t seeing anyone. We later realized that Chloe tends to create drama where there really isn’t any.
Emily got engaged first, and Chloe and I were genuinely so happy for her. But when I got engaged shortly after, Chloe started acting weirdly clingy. She would physically wedge herself between me and my fiancé and act strange whenever we were affectionate, like if we kissed or flirted. She also started making odd comments, almost like she was trying to create tension between me and Emily or find a reason to be upset with me.
It didn’t work. Emily is very anti-drama, and I mostly just ignored Chloe’s comments. At the time, there was a lot going on, so I brushed it off. Emily asked me to be her maid of honor, and I asked her to be mine. We were both busy planning our weddings, and Chloe was asked and accepted to be a bridesmaid in both of them.
Meanwhile, another friend of ours, Natalie, started pulling away. All right, so we’ve got Emily, Chloe, and Natalie, and the OP, who do not have a name for. Okay. she’s older than us and was feeling a bit left out because we were both getting married while she wasn’t in a relationship. We reassured her that we’d always be there for her and that she would find the right person eventually.
During Emily’s wedding events, dress shopping, her engagement party, bridal shower, and bachelorette, Chloe was incredibly supportive. Any time someone tried to ask me about my own engagement during these moments, I would redirect the conversation and say we were there to celebrate Emily. Emily had a short engagement while mine was longer, so all this happened before I even found my dress.
When it came time for my own dress shopping, Chloe’s behavior completely changed. She made me feel insecure and like I was wasting everyone’s time. She kept rushing me and making comments that made the experience stressful instead of exciting My mom and Emily are both very non-confrontational.
Emily tends to avoid drama altogether, and my mom usually just rolls her eyes in the moment and vents to me later. Natalie is more confrontational, but since she doesn’t know Chloe very well and knew I didn’t want to give Chloe the satisfaction of causing drama, she stayed quiet, too. Okay. But Chloe’s comments eventually crossed the line, and my mom actually snapped at her in the store where I found my dress.
Go, Mom. I mean, that’s the thing. I like to say I’m very non-confrontational. I don’t like, causing a conflict or anything like that, but when it comes to things that are offensive or rude or talking about a friend of mine in a negative way, I will stand up for them and I will say that. I’m glad someone eventually did.
And I’m curious about this Chloe girl. I’ve a couple of guesses here. Either she’s extremely insecure about being single and not having someone, or my mind did cross, maybe she’s got a crush on the OP here and she’s just like, “Wait, no, I didn’t want her to get married.” I don’t know. There’s some weird, things she’s doing here that almost sounds like she wants to be a barrier between her getting married, and that’s very odd to me.
You can quickly tell when you are engaged and planning a wedding which friends are not supportive. I’m very lucky I did not have that, but I’ve seen it firsthand in a lot of weddings. so just interesting. For my bridal shower, I made one very clear request to Emily, Chloe, and Natalie. I did not want lingerie as a gift.
I wasn’t comfortable opening something like that in front of my family and my fiancé’s family. Chloe made it very clear that she didn’t care. Before the shower, she repeatedly said she was gonna buy me lingerie anyway. When I told her she needed to respect my boundaries and that I simply wouldn’t wear her gift wouldn’t open her gift in front of others…
Hopefully she wouldn’t wear it. she said she would force me to open it in front of my mom and future mother-in-law. Okay. this woman does not like you. There’s something in her that does not want to see you happy. Someone that’s directly telling you, “Hey, I’m not gonna respect your boundary.
Hey, I’m gonna embarrass you. Hey, I’m not happy for you. Hey, I’m gonna make negative comments about you at your dress shopping.” We gotta snip, snip, snip. Like, we don’t want someone like that around us. That’s wild force you to open a gift. At that point, I’d had enough. Emily’s wedding took place before my bridal shower, and we had a conversation about Chloe’s behavior.
Confronting a Toxic Friend & Choosing Boundaries
I told Emily that I wanted Chloe to step down as a bridesmaid and uninvite her from my shower, but I didn’t want to cause drama during her wedding, so I decided to wait until after. I think that’s pretty smart. go with the flow for your first friend’s, for Emily’s wedding, and then cut ties.
I mean, it doesn’t sound like she wants to d- directly cut ties. She just wants to have her step down, but I think that’s, smart. During Emily’s wedding, Chloe was still annoying, but she managed to behave herself for the most part. After Emily and her husband left for their honeymoon, I met up with Chloe to talk.
I stayed calm the entire time and explained that I was uncomfortable with her behavior. I gave specific examples, how she acted during my dress appointments, her jokes about disrespecting my boundaries, and how differently she behaved during Emily’s wedding events. Chloe immediately got defensive.
She blamed everyone else for her behavior and refused to apologize. At that point, I told her I needed to ask her to step down as a bridesmaid. I also told her that while she was still invited to the wedding, I wasn’t comfortable having her at my shower. Ooh. Okay, so I haven’t finished quite yet. There’s like a little bit left this is challenging.
I applaud this person, this bride, for saying this and confronting her, I think so many times in these stories they’re like, “Well, I just put up with it, and they’re still in the wedding, and on the wedding day they were rude to me, they did this to me, they put me down.” And she saw what happened at the dress shopping, she saw how she treated her, she saw her ignore her boundaries.
So she’s like, “Hey, I wanna talk to you. Here’s what I need from you. Here’s my concerns,” blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then seeing how she’s acting, she’s like, “Okay, I don’t want you to be in the wedding.” so her response, if anyone can guess, is she said she doesn’t wanna be friends anymore, and that was the last time I ever spoke to her.
Oh, no. That’s the thing, too. If you can’t have an honest conversation with a friend without them just immediately cutting you off, that tells me what? That Chloe never really liked you. That might sound extreme, but that tells me that there was something in her this whole time where she felt superior to you until you got engaged and she’s like, “I’m gonna try to embarrass her or make her uncomfortable.”
And the fact that you stood your ground, you stood up for yourself and said, “Hey, this is making me really uncomfortable. Here are my examples, A, B, and C,” and she couldn’t handle that, and that was all she needed to cut you out. I would say that’s a win in your book. I hate this phrase, because I’m not trying to cause call this person trash, but the trash takes itself out, right?
In your perspective, your life, right? I was just saying this again, you are the hero in some people’s stories, you’re the villain in others. That’s just how life goes. People make up stories how they want, right? So she took herself out of the equation. She said, “This is how you feel about me? Then I won’t be there at all.
Let’s just not be friends.” And in all reality, someone that acts like that, just asking them to step down from a bridesmaid but still be a guest to your wedding is kinda like, meh. They’re still gonna be there, so what does that really do for you? that gives her the satisfaction of like, “Oh, you’re not completely cut out from the wedding.”
I think this was the best thing for you. I don’t know if your wedding has happened yet. If it hasn’t, good luck with everything and I hope it goes amazing and smooth, and that Chloe is just a little blimp in the wedding planning. If it has happened, please update. I’m sure because you kind of, like, got rid of the drama, I’m sure there wasn’t, much drama.
The other thing I would point out is you also said, ” Do not come to the shower. I’m uncomfortable at the shower.” See, I would be mortified if a best friend of mine, if I was in their wedding and they came to me and said, ” Here’s why you made me uncomfortable. I don’t want you to be a bridesmaid, and I don’t want you to come to the shower.”
I’d be like, ” What?” Like, completely mortified. Like, knowing me, I’d be like, “Well, what can I do? I’m so sorry. I didn’t realize I was acting that way.” of course, unless it was completely, out of line. But for the most part, I’d be like, “Oh my gosh, I’m so sorry.” I wouldn’t be like, “You know what?
Friendship over. Bye.” So I don’t know. if it’s telling or if it’s not telling. I don’t know. let me know what you guys think, ’cause that’s…wild story, and I feel like both of our dilemma and story of this week really connect with friendships and relationships and who you have in your wedding and who you allow in your space during your wedding, or any event, right?
And I think a lot of times when we’re younger, we’re told, “Oh, just invite them. Oh, come on. They’re your blank, they’re your sister. They’re your friend. Oh, you’ve known them a long time. Just suck it up.” And I think as we get older, we kind of realize like, “Well, no. I don’t have to suck it up because they were rude to me.
I don’t have to put up with that kind of behavior because it’s easier or it’s nice. why do I have to be the bigger person?” So yeah. I don’t know. Let me know what you guys think about that. As always, in case you are listening just to the audio here, you can see the full video on YouTube. We always post them there, so check it out.
Wedding Confessions & Christa’s Final Advice
All right, guys. Ending, as usual, with our confessions, so let’s read these. This week, we asked a compromise you made for your wedding that you still resent a little bit. Okay. This person says, “I couldn’t get married in my own church because my in-laws wouldn’t attend.” I’d be like, “Well then don’t come.”
I had a therapist on here and I asked her about, like, people that threaten to not come because they’re not getting their way, and she said, ” You just have to sit down, reinforce your boundary, and let it play out.” If they’re like, “Oh, well I’m not gonna come if you don’t move me to a different table,” then you have to be like, “Okay.
Then I will either see you or I won’t see you.” ‘ Cause when we start changing things for other people, then, what do they say? Like, you give an inch, they take a mile. So I’d be curious to see what else they made her change. The father-in-law threw a surprise reception that had family and his friends and none of our friends.
10 years still on it. Wait, I need to know how a surprise reception happens. So, like, you guys maybe eloped, and then they just threw you guys a party without actually, like, consulting, who you’d want there? Interesting. scrapped a dream to plan smaller where I live to reduce the amount of time with my mom planning.
Oh, so you wanted a simple wedding, so you have to, like, plan with her. this person says, “Letting kids be there.” Ooh, I’m interested to know why. I would wanna hear that story. my sister-in-law as a bridesmaid after she had meddled with my wedding. Need to know more to that story. This person says, “Inviting my mom And this person says, ” Reception at a restaurant.”
Okay. It’s hard especially when you’re young or you have a lot of voices coming in telling you it should be a certain way, but I always find when you cave in some direction, that ends up being your regret. So always, always, always get on the same page as your partner first, then invite in other people.
And I know that’s easier said than done because sometimes people invite themselves in at the start of the engagement. So just make sure you have those boundaries and try to protect your peace. All right, guys, that is all I have for this week. Thanks for hanging out with me, and I will see you next time. Bye now
Spicy Kids, Cold Feet, and a Singing Mother-in-Law with Mary Van Geffen
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What happens when you ignore your gut? This week, Christa sat down with parenting coach Mary Van Geffen and reacted to a jaw dropping wedding story featuring a mother-in-law who refused to take no for an answer, a husband who never set boundaries, and the red flags that were there all along.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- What Is a “Spicy” Child? – Mary explains the traits of strong-willed kids, why they’re often misunderstood, and how their biggest challenges can become their greatest strengths.
- Healing Yourself While Parenting – The conversation explores how parenting often brings unresolved childhood wounds to the surface—and why self-awareness changes everything.
- Becoming the Calmest Person in the Room – Mary shares practical techniques for slowing down reactions, regulating emotions, and creating connection before correction.
- Handling Judgment from Other Parents – The discussion dives into unsolicited advice, public tantrums, and how to tune out outside opinions while protecting your peace.
- The Wedding That Never Felt Right – Mary opens up about marrying someone despite knowing in her gut it wasn’t the right decision—and the lesson she learned from it.
- The Mother-in-Law Who Wouldn’t Take No – Christa and Mary react to an unbelievable story of a mother-in-law determined to perform at the wedding, no matter what the couple wanted.
- Why Your Partner Must Set Family Boundaries – The pair discuss why spouses should handle difficult conversations with their own families and what happens when they don’t.
- Breaking Generational Patterns – The episode ends with an empowering conversation about choosing healthier relationships, parenting differently, and trusting your instincts.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “The biggest red flags usually show up long before you walk down the aisle.” – Christa Innis
- “Sometimes becoming a parent forces you to heal parts of yourself you didn’t even know were hurting.” – Christa Innis
- “If your gut keeps telling you something isn’t right, don’t ignore it just because everyone else says it’s normal.” – Christa Innis
- “The healthiest relationships are built when both people choose each other first.” – Christa Innis
- “Parenting isn’t about being perfect—it’s about being willing to grow alongside your child.” – Christa Innis
- “Sometimes the hardest boundary you’ll ever set is the one that finally changes your family’s future.” – Christa Innis
- “Connect with them before you correct, before you direct.” – Mary Van Geffen
- “A lot of times when we have a strong-willed, spicy one, we kind of stop liking them. Shift your mind to: What do you like about this kid? What is good about them?” – Mary Van Geffen
- “You can’t discipline, change, or help your child grow outside of a relationship. Connection has to come first.” – Mary Van Geffen
- “If you’re like, ‘I’m not sure this is the right guy,’ then trust it.” – Mary Van Geffen
- “The son should be the one setting the boundary with his mother. He set his wife up to fail by making her be in that communication.” – Mary Van Geffen
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Mary Van Geffen is a parenting coach, author, and creator of the “Spicy Ones” movement, helping parents navigate life with strong-willed, big-feeling kids through connection instead of control. After her own parenting journey led her to heal generational patterns, she dedicated her work to helping families build calmer homes and stronger relationships.
Since 2011, Mary has supported thousands of parents through coaching, courses, and her bestselling book, Parenting a Spicy One. Her honest, compassionate approach encourages parents to embrace their child’s unique personality, trust their instincts, and remember that neither they nor their child are broken—they’re simply learning and growing together.
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Christa Innis: Hey, guys. Thanks for joining me for another episode of Here Comes the Drama. I’m your host, Christa Innis. Today I’m joined by Mary Van Geffen. She’s an international parenting coach for moms of strong-willed kids, or as she calls them, spicy kids. Mary’s the author of Parenting a Spicy One, and helps parents learn how to stay calm, kind, and firm while raising spirited children, even on their hardest days.
She combines her training as a Simplicity Parenting counselor and professional co-active coach with her own lived experience raising both a chi- a spicy child and a more easygoing one. Through her coaching programs, d- digital courses, and social media, she’s helped thousands of moms navigate their ups and downs of parenting with more confidence and connection.
I had so much fun chatting with Mary. She shares some wedding stories of her own. We banter, we talk parenting tips, and so much more. In fact, I think a few, maybe a month ago now, um, her and I did a skit of our own, which was a lot of fun. She is just so much fun to chat with. I feel like I could talk to her forever.
So without further ado, please enjoy this episode with Mary.
Christa Innis: Hi, Mary
Mary Van Geffen: Hi, how are you, Christa?
Christa Innis: I’m good. How are you?
Mary Van Geffen: Outstanding. Leaving for New York City tomorrow morning to go see my adult child. I can’t wait to-
Christa Innis: Oh …
Mary Van Geffen: walk the streets.
Christa Innis: Fun. Oh my gosh, I love New York City. That’ll be so fun. I love that. Well, thank you so much for coming on. I’m so excited to have you.
Um, many people might know that we did a skit not too long ago. That was fun.
Mary Van Geffen: Oh, it was the, like the fun of my life. I- … that’s all I wanna do is silly character stuff, and it w- you’re the first person- Yes … that has done it with me, so thank you.
Christa Innis: I love it. Your acting debut, and the comments were just like, “Keep doing it, keep doing it.”
So you gotta do some more out there. Like I, I think it was so fun.
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah, that was fun. I wanna do part two with you.
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh my gosh, we should definitely do that. That was so fun to put together, and I think just seeing like the characters like come to life, and I hadn’t done one like that. I’d done a couple collab skits, but not one like in depth like that, so I feel like it worked really well together.
But-
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah, and it was interesting to hear that your process is not to look directly in the camera, and that a- all mine were directly to camera, and so it’s, there’s so many variations of how people, creators do it.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yes. Yeah, I’m, I’m constantly learning and trying new things out here as, I guess as we all are.
Um, but let’s, before we get into, I mean, there’s so many things I could talk to you about, but let’s talk a little bit about your- s- tell us a little bit about yourself. Um, I know you’re the, you’re the expert on strong-willed, intense, defiant kids you call spicy ones. So let’s get into what you do, and we’ll kind of go from there.
Meet the “Spicy Ones”: Understanding Strong-Willed Kids
Mary Van Geffen: Mm. Yeah, I am the parent coach for the spicy ones. I’m a spicy one. My mother was a spicy one, and I raised a spicy one, and I, I have a, a quiz you’re welcome to take if you go to my bio, um, to find out if you’ve got one, but you kind of know when you have one. These are the kids that are inflexible, highly emotional, um, treat adults kind of like equals and can be aggressive and inconsolable, and they’re just a lot.
And some of us grew up feeling like we were a lot, and it takes, it’s not always common sense how to parent this type of child well because it seems like we wanna make them smaller and make them fit in, but they end up, spicy ones, being the world changers and the artists and the activists, but it’s really exhausting parenting them.
So I have a, a membership that people join and we coach, um, three times a month on Zoom, and then all my classes are in there, and I have a very transformational, let me say that again, transformational class just for moms of spicy ones because nobody understands what it’s like because about 20% of kids have a really intense temperament- Mm
and what I would call more loyalty to their own soul than to what an adult wants, and that’s actually not very typ- typical. Mm. Most kids, um, kinda wanna go with the flow and they wanna belong, and this kid does wanna belong, but they ambush, uh, relationships a lot. Mm-hmm. So I speak from experience.
Healing Yourself While Raising Your Child
Christa Innis: Well, so when did you kind of decide that was gonna be your focus and your life work to be able to help other moms with spicy kids?
Mary Van Geffen: I think I’ve always felt a little bit different, and have had tension with my own mother where I, she has said before, like, “My job is to knock you down a few pegs. There’s only one queen in this house.” You know, we were just constantly- Mm … going at it, and I didn’t want that kind of relationship with my daughter, and I saw it start to develop.
Mm. And meanwhile, I have a very mild child son, and the differences between them, it was interesting to see that it, a, a lot of it is just, like, how somebody comes out the womb. Some of it can be trauma, some of it can be neurodivergence. Mm. But there, there is a distinct different, and a different way of being a leader with those people, and a different way of communicating that doesn’t sort of raise up their hackles and make them feel more demand avoidant.
Mm-hmm. My poor husband, he’s learning those as we go. But, um, I’ve, I realized it, I think mostly when I had a child and thought, I found myself telling someone, like, “I don’t really like her. I love her.” Mm. “But I don’t like this kid. They seem to always be, nothing is easy with this kid, and they’re so bossy, and they’re so demanding.”
And it ended up that I was using a lot of phrases that had been used about me– Mm … because that was all I knew, and I was sort of continuing a, a, a generational wound, and I wanted to stop it. And so I first dragged her to therapy and wanted a diagnosis for her. Must be something wrong with her, like, give me some letters.
Mm. I’ll take ODD, I’ll take PDA, ASD, I don’t care. Well, it ended up that that therapist said, “Why don’t you come back, um, next week without her?” And I was like, “Oh, yeah, so you can tell me what a psychopath I have.” And we didn’t talk about her, we talked about me, and we talked about my little person inside me.
And I kept going back week after week, and my daughter never went back to therapy, and there’s nothing wrong with her. She’s a spicy one, and so am I. Mm. And so that sort of brought me on this journey, and then I’ve been on the internet since 2011, um, talking about it. And, you know, got my coaching certification both with Simplicity Parenting and with, um, Co-Active Professional Coaching.
But mostly it’s like the school of, um, working individually with so many women. I saw the same ways that we were ambushing ourselves, and our victim mentality, and, and the way that we were communicating that was actually creating power struggles. And so it was just kinda cool. After, after about the 100th coaching, um, person, you know, it’d be like an eight-week session, I created a course, and then 1,700 people have gone through that course, and it’s changed them.
And then now I have a membership where you can take that course, um, and meet with me. Because sometimes we just need somebody else to bounce off our issue, because a lot of moms are saying- are thinking at least, “Is it me or is it my kid that’s causing all this combustion- Mm-hmm … and this emotional, and am I not, am I not firm enough?
Am I too firm? Why am I walking on eggshells?” And I just have a lot of heart for that parent. Um, and also there’s so much judgment. That’s why when we did our- Mm-hmm … sketch, I could access immediately that, like, clutching of pearls of, “Oh my gosh, you let your child do that? I would never.” It’s like, well it’s not letting them do it, it’s being very precise about what I’m willing to, like, stand on, um, business about, and what I let go ’cause it doesn’t actually matter.
It might matter a little bit to the culture. Mm-hmm. But when you have a counter-cultural kid, you gotta make some different decisions and really operate out of what matters to you and your value system. You can’t please other people.
Parenting Through Connection, Not Control
Christa Innis: Mm, I love that. I know, and, and I feel like you, you said a lot about when, I mean, I feel like when you become a parent in general, they talk about how a lot of your traumas come up or things that you never dealt with as a, as a child, or tr- like things really trigger you in new ways.
And so we don’t always know until we’re in that situation of how we’re gonna respond, and then we’re like, “Wait, I did sound like my mother.” Or you know, like, I, oh, I said something that was kinda like locked back here, and you’re like, “Wait, is that how I wanna respond?” Or, um, are they, or and I always hear the thing, like, they’re not giving you a hard time, they’re having a hard time.
So I try to like res- like re- like rehearse those in my, or repeat those in my head, like, during those challenging moments. So I don’t know if I would say I have a spicy… She’s spicy at times, for sure. But, um- Well,
Mary Van Geffen: every two-year-old is spicy in my opinion. And every teenager is, because their job is to individuate and separate from you and find their sense of self, and that’s very spicy when you like to have control and you like to have a say.
Mm-hmm. Um, and you want a lot of communication and validation, and they’re not gonna give you that in those ages.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And so how can parents, like, I know you said there’s a, there’s a quiz they can take. So for the, for the parents listening right now, and they’re kind of in that zone of they’re like, “I’ve, I’m having a lot of challenges with my child,” what’s, what’s like a small exercise or something that a parent can do to kinda like look inward to kind of like almost like move forward and kind of like, um, maybe parent themselves better in this moment?
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah, and those might be two different directions, right? Because they’re both important. There’s, there’s how you show up for your kid, and then there’s also, how are you gonna show up for yourself? Mm-hmm. And slowing things down a little bit and putting your hand on your heart or your belly and asking yourself, like, “What do I need right now?
How am I doing?” Like, treating yourself like a friend or someone you’re in charge of caring for, because you are, that’s really important.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Mary Van Geffen: And I think that shifts things. You’re a different parent when you’ve started the interaction with checking in with what you need, or you’ve started the day by brushing your own teeth and getting dressed and feeling good about, that you’re, you’ve been sort of done the bare basics of self-care.
Like, that’s important. The other sort of avenue is how you interact with them, and I think you can improve the way you show up and the way you lead with becoming the calmest person in the room. Mm-hmm. And so often we’re taking our cues from this really volatile kid, or we’re taking things they say personally, and the goal is to become a person that just lets what, how they behave not impact how you show up, ’cause they’re gonna have their really bad days and their good days, but who do you want to be?
And I think a small little step towards that is just a pause, and I call it a conscious pause, but any parenting coach or educator- Mm-hmm … is gonna talk about delaying your response, the, the time between your response and what they did that really irritated you, like expanding the time in between those two things.
Mm-hmm. And delaying, um, don’t just act. There’s no sense of emergency, even though your body often tells you there is. I mean, unless there’s a car coming for them or, you know, there’s, rarely is parenting an emergency, but our body is, like, sending us all these signals that it is. Mm-hmm. So pausing and giving your s- your brain a chance to catch up with what’s happening and to be in your, you know, prefrontal cortex rather than back here in your brain stem that speaks in verbs and says, “Hit, stop, run,” you know?
Mm-hmm. That’s not the part we can parent out of. The only way to get into our calm self when we’ve been triggered or, like, our blood pressure goes up, is to pause, to have a, to extend the time before we react.
Christa Innis: Mm, I love that. I know I’ve, I feel like especially, like, we talk about, like, toddlers and parenting, it’s like that deep breath or, like, stepping aside out of the room can, like, make such a difference, and I’ve learned to, like, also say, like, outside, out loud to my daughter, like, “Mommy just needs a moment,” and I’ll, like, step out and I’ll just, and I’ll take a deep breath.
And I’ve noticed, too, when she’ll get frustrated, she’ll now be like she’ll take a breath. And I think, like, us kind of, like, you know, showing that, that, like, “Hey, we’re going through something right now. We need a minute, and it’s okay.” Um, but one thing I wanted to ask, too, so we were kind of talking before how this podcast really started with, like, wedding stories and event stories, and turned into very, like, relationship dynamics, right?
And so something you said made me think about unsolicited advice, and especially being a parent of a spicy one, like if you’re out and they’re having a tantrum or they don’t wanna listen. How do you, not you personally, but as, as a parent listening, how do they, how do you respond to unsolicited advice or stares or judgment from other people?
Um, how, I, I mean, mom, moms in general deal with so much judgment, right?
Mary Van Geffen: Mm-hmm,
Christa Innis: yeah. But especially, um- Having a child that’s maybe a little more strong-willed, um-
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah, who’s having a, like, an antisocial tirade-
Christa Innis: Mm …
Mary Van Geffen: in Target, and maybe they’re too big to lift up out, and you know you have to sit there while they freak out.
Um, so first off, knowing the relationship you have with that person who’s trying to give their two cents or their judging glare, if, if they aren’t someone who’s going to be in your life and is in a relationship that you want to nurture, you really don’t owe that person anything, um, you know, other than keep them safe, and they’re safe even though your kid’s making a lot of sound.
And this whole society is just not built for children, and it would be a gentler, warmer, I think safer place if it were a little more, um, okay for kids to be kids. So I just think that’s number one, is be aware that this person is not in your life. Um, and yet it does hurt when someone rolls their eyes or makes a little snide comment.
And so I, I literally have to visualize almost, like, a golden bubble around me and my kid, and it is positivity and light in here, and if anybody else feels differently, like, their judgment can’t get into that bubble. Like, it just- Mm-hmm … helps me to have a visualization of that. You may have some phrases that you s- have ready to say.
Like, if someone’s like, “Wow, I would never let my kid act that way,” you can say, “Well, I’m so glad he’s not yours, then.” Um, you know, you can have l- some things that you like to say, but I don’t- Mm-hmm … think it does anything to respond. Um, but if you’re a spicy one, you probably wanna respond, right? Like, you know, you want justice.
That, that’s a big part of being a spicy one, is this sense that you can, you, you can impact and, and create justice. So I think you have to… You’re, you’re working so hard to not take what your kid does personally, and you can’t take personally what… There’s a lot of people who see you allowing emotion, which is so silly, ’cause you don’t allow it.
Like, you can either stuff it under or- Mm-hmm … uh, it’s gonna happen. But when they see you making a compassionate space for that, it can sometimes trigger other people who never got that. Mm. “I, nobody ever listened to me. I had to, I got smacked if I acted…” And out, up comes like a, almost like a survival mechanism of, like, if, if what I’m seeing in front of me- I, I long for and wish that I had had that, then that makes a lot of my childhood wrong, and that means…
It, it just, it’s so existential, I think, for people. Mm. And so if we can just know that, that, that they’re having their own experience about your kid, or maybe they are highly sensory, um, sensitive, and they’re just covering their ears or making a pained face because they literally just can’t handle excess sound.
Well, that’s up to them to get to a space that’s private, go sit in their car or whatever. It’s just, it’s not your responsibility to protect other people from your child when, when the thing that’s happening is a loud sound or distress. Yes, our whole society needs to have more tolerance for other people’s distress.
I think there’d be a lot less fights and war and nastiness if that were the case.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yeah, 100%. No, I, I, I love that. I think that’s such a great point about- Y- you kind of putting that, like, golden bubble, like you said, around the two of you, because I think it’s so easy, especially as moms, especially walking into motherhood just feeling like, “Okay, there’s all these eyes on me now,” or, “Oh, if they cry…”
Like, you’re not used to that, right? Before you’re a parent, you’re just kind of like, you know, you can s- get by, do what you need to do, but you’re not gonna just scream out in public, right? And so you’re not used to all these eyes on you, so I feel like that’s such a good point, just focusing on, like, your, your goal is to take care of your child right now.
Ignore the judgment around you. And, and I think what you said is so powerful about it’s usually their own, not necessarily, um, like you said, their own traumas or their, their own kind of thing they might be dealing with that they never had the chance to, or maybe, maybe they don’t have that relationship with their parents, so they’re like, “Oh, what’s this?
Why is this so, like… Why are you having a conversation with them? You, you know, this is not how I was raised.” And you see that on social- It’s a- … media too.
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah, it’s a little bit like, I, I happen to be Christian. I’m not trying to get all spiritual on you, but, like, there’s that whole image of Jesus washing people’s feet, and that was, like, disgusting in that time because people- Mm
were wearing strappy sandals walking through the dust and the dirt, and it was like, ew, why is he doing that? And I think it’s a little bit like when we kneel down and we take m- take c- a careful moment to exhale, and we let go of the fact that, oh, my gosh, I’m not gonna be able to get in and out of this store.
This is happening, but this is happening, so I’m not gonna fight this, and we just sort of sink into it, and we take a non-threatening pose with our child. I think it’s healing for people to see that and be like, wow, she’s, she’s almost valuing that child like they’re a fellow human.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Mary Van Geffen: A- and I think it leaves people a little changed.
I, I remember early in my mothering, like, seeing people talk softly to a child who was acting ugly, as my mother would’ve said it, right? Mm. And being like, oh, wow, there’s a different way. We can stay tender even when we’re disappointed. Mm-hmm. Like, it’s just a, it’s a skill a lot of people don’t have.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Yeah, I think that’s amazing. I think that’s one thing that- We do keep doing, like, better as parents as we kind of, like, learn is like, okay, I didn’t like how this happened when I was a child. Not necessarily it was good or bad, but it didn’t work for me, and so this is how I want to change the next generation or this is how I want to handle this situation.
Um, and like that’s, that’s something I see a lot is like s- getting down on their level and talking to them is like, “Okay, well these are your two choices,” or you know, “You can do this or this,” or, um, “If we do this, then it’s gonna lead to B.” But you know, I, I just think-
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah, but also when they are me- when they are beside themselves and freaking out, the less words the better.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Mary Van Geffen: I mean, they can’t take it in. They are flooded. Mm-hmm. So I do see that this generation has left behind hitting, which is awesome, and spanking. They haven’t, uh, I mean not everyone’s left it behind, but I think modern parents, uh, know that that’s not developmentally appropriate to use violence to discipline.
But now they’re doing a lot of over talking. Mm-hmm. Um, and it’s not, it’s, what’s being received in that moment when your child is freaking out is really like a mammal to mammal thing. Like- Mm … it, how’s your body? Does it look non-threatening? Are you calm or are you, are your eyebrows way high and your, and your teeth, uh, clenched?
And like are, what are you c- what is your mammal body communicating to your child’s mammal body? That’s most important. And so kind of less talk and more like I’m, I’m gonna hold space for this. I’m gonna allow this. I’m not gonna rush through this. Mm-hmm. I don’t have to like it, um, and I don’t have to try to talk my kid out of it, ’cause it doesn’t, it rarely works with a spicy one.
Christa Innis: Mm. And so you said it can sometimes be linked to neurodivergence, but that’s not always the case?
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah, I would say 30% of people who would say, “Oh yeah, I’ve got a spicy one based on my quiz” would also say, “And we have a diagnosis.” But the rest are just- Mm-hmm … Enneagram eights if you’re into the Enneagram, or, um, I’m a four, but it’s, it’s just a type of temperament that has a lot of discontent and, um, can see the glass half full, who’s a, a child who’s just louder.
Sometimes we have a voice box where we come into a room and, I mean, I, my husband walked in just now and was like, “Oh my gosh, what a day.” And he, he got, like, within a couple feet from me and I’m like, “You’re screaming.” Now, I wish I would say it in a nicer way. I’m still working on that. But that doesn’t mean someone’s neurodivergent.
That said, like, the work I have in my book, Parenting A Spicy One, or in my membership, I always want you to do it concurrently with going and pursuing a diagnosis. If you have an inkling in your mama heart, you know, a, kind of a knowing that something’s off, then definitely double path that. But whether or not your kid has a diagnosis has nothing to do with the work you need to do to, um, show up for your inner child and for them in a way that you’re proud of.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. And then do you think, too, like, the parent-child relationship also, like, let’s say the parent’s neuro- neurodivergent and the child is not, but can that cause- More, uh, riff is the wrong word, but can m- almost make the child seem more spicy because maybe human-
Mary Van Geffen: Yes, you are so smart. Yeah. And it’s not even about neurodivergence.
I would say, I, okay, I’m not gonna put a number to it. There are many women that come to me talking about their spicy one, but if I had their spicy one at my house, I’d be like, “This kid’s a dream. This kid’s a go with the flow.” But mama has some things she’s working through. Mm. Maybe she has a high need for control.
Mm. Maybe she has, um, is addicted to peace and, and didn’t consider how chaotic having a child is, or maybe she’s got some, some childhood wounding, right? Mm-hmm. And so sometimes our kid is just sort of the accumulating event that, uh, um, it, and we start by making them wrong and saying, “Something’s gotta be wrong with them,” and that was kind of my situation.
I happen to be neurodivergent. My kid is not. Mm-hmm. Um, at, at the time, I thought I was just ADHD. I’ve since gotten an autistic, um, diagnosis. Mm-hmm. So just, my, my daughter’s now 21, and she came home for Thanksgiving, and she was standing across the kitchen aisle excited and telling a story, and I was like, “Can you take it down a notch?”
And this, my husband was like, “She doesn’t need to take down a notch,” and I’m like, “He’s right.” Mm-hmm. Here I am. I wrote the book on parenting a spicy one, and I’m still on some level overstimulated just by the, um, the chaos of, of people in my home. And so that can, I could turn that around and say something’s wrong with my daughter, but it’s really me.
I need to, I, I now wear loop earphones when everyone’s h- there. I can still hear.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Mary Van Geffen: Um, I just, it’s a little more tampered down, and it doesn’t feel so jarring.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I saw this meme the other day that said something about, like, I’ll be like, “Oh, I’m so overwhelmed,” and it’s literally just two people text me at the same time.
And I was like- So true … “Oh my gosh, that’s so me,” ’cause I can go from, like, I’ll be, like, very focused, and I’m like, good. And then all of a sudden I’ll, it’ll be, like, three things I’m trying to do at once, and I’m like, “Whoa,” and then my child’s, like, running through talking. I’m like, “Oh my gosh, what is going on here?”
Right. Like, one thing needs to stop. Yeah. Um, so I’m like, I,
Mary Van Geffen: I- One thing that’s really helped me, like, like, I’ve had, I’ve known I had ign- ADHD since I was 30, and I’m 55 now, but one thing I recently read was ADHD, um, you are, you s- you focus on what’s interesting. And neurotypicals focus on what’s important.
And I was like, dang- Yeah … that’s so true. That’s why so much is not getting done around me, because it’s the things that make dopamine, that give me interest, that are novelty, that I’m all in on and make happen. And, uh, and that was just kind of helpful for me, that dichotomy.
Christa Innis: Wow. I’m, I’ve never been officially diagnosed by w- but, like, it runs in the family, so I’m like, I’m pretty sure I’m, like, ADHD.
But when you said that, I’m
Mary Van Geffen: like, oh, yeah Well, I think there’s something pretty neurodivergent about putting a microphone to your mouth- … or putting your face, doing silly things on the internet. I think that’s a neurodivergent trait, and I think- I think so … w- everyone’s like, gosh, everyone on the internet must be, um, is talking about ADHD.
Well, I think it’s a certain type of person that feels comfortable enough to get on there and g- gets certain needs met, and I d- I don’t think it’s a very neurotypical thing to do. It’s why all your friends are like, “Oh, I could never.” You know, it’s like, well, yeah. You have… Uh, once, one person once said to me, “Your autism makes you not have a creative block,” and they defined creative block as, like, you’re worried what other people will think about what you’re doing.
But I’m kind of oblivious to the fact that what I’m doing is kind of weird, because I, I’m just not really aware of that and I don’t care. And that-
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm …
Mary Van Geffen: in some ways allows me to create a little more, with more freedom.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I know. It’s, it’s interesting, too. I think, like, when I tell people, ’cause I’ll, I’ll say something about being introverted or being, like, kind of shy, and people are like, “What?
You’re not, no you’re not. You’re, you b- you post stuff on the internet.” I’m like, but I’m in the privacy of my own home when I do it, and I don’t think about the fact that people see it. Even though I see numbers, I’m just not, like, I don’t know, to me, I’m just- It doesn’t feel
Mary Van Geffen: real. Yeah.
Christa Innis: It doesn’t feel real.
It doesn’t- Yeah … like, I don’t see them over there. So that’s just, that’s a very interesting take. Um, so kind of getting back to, I know we kind of made, like, a s- a switch there, but kind of switching back to your book- Welcome to me. Yeah, I know. I’m like, 80 conversations over here, just popping over the place.
But I just- Yeah … loved what you said about, like, we follow what’s interesting, not important. ‘Cause I used to- Mm … I used to hate when I would have bosses that would say, um, “This is a priority,” and then two minutes later, they’d tell me another priority. And I’m like, what’s the priority? Right. And then I was like- Priority’s
Mary Van Geffen: supposed to be one thing.
Christa Innis: Yes. Couldn’t do it. Could not do it. Um, what do you think, so what do you think the biggest mindset shift parents can make if they’re raising a strong-willed child? I know we kind of talked about some different things, um- But what’s something that comes to mind if they’re kind of in that, in that tight spot?
Mary Van Geffen: Well, I think two things come to mind. One is a lot of times when we have a strong-willed, spicy one, we kind of stop liking them- Mm-hmm … because they cause so much, so many challenges. There’s so much we’re working on at once with them, so many lagging skills and, um, ways that we wish they would more, be, um, more cooperative.
And so I think it’s really important to shift your mind to, what do you like about this kid? What is good about them? I’ve, I’ve had countless women in my office where I, they wanna tell me how awful this kid is, and I let them unburden a little bit- Mm-hmm … ’cause it is a lot to hold. And then I say, “So what do you like about this child?”
And then they start to tear up as they talk about it, but it’s almost like we don’t let ourselves go there because there’s so much work to do and, and we feel responsible. And so it’s really important, like, make yourself a note in your phone with, uh, their name, and any time you think of something about them that makes you smile or that’s already okay, um, the parts of their temperament.
In fact, if, in my book Parenting a Spicy One, if you take off the cover, the whole thing is just a list of all the positives of a strong-willed kid- Mm. Mm … because I think we, um, we get separated from it. So that’s an important… I mean, this is, this is going to be a future CEO. This is gonna be somebody who changes the world, and of course they’re not easy to parent.
So liking them is a huge shift. And then the other shift is, like, I think we get in this mode of, like, how do I discipline them? How do I change them? How do I improve them? And none of that can be done outside of a relationship.
Christa Innis: Mm.
Mary Van Geffen: And so the most important thing you can do is connect with them before you correct, before you direct.
And what does that look like? A, a connection is, um, we’re both making eye contact, if this kid is able to make eye contact. We have a soft, um, e- expression. Our, our body is, is, um, relaxed. Maybe there’s laughter and a smile. Um, you need a lot of that throughout the day in order to have the, um, the emotional credit to then say, “Hey, don’t do that,” or, “We’re gonna do this.”
Like, you’ve gotta take a moment and get into their world because they’re, they’re sort of, you know… The pace of childhood is, it’s like being on drugs. You’re so into, you’re playing with water and looking at the droplets, and someone saying, “Mom, Mom, Mom, Mom, Mom,” which is- … the, you know, “Come get ready,” but you’re not hearing that.
You’re so in what you’re doing. So take a moment and enter their world. Take a beat, 30 seconds. Like, I am amazed watching moms pick up their kids sometimes, how you’ll be on the phone while picking up that kid, and it’s like, “Let’s go, let’s go. Come over.” And, and that kid is gonna have huge, um, meltdowns because they need that moment of reconnecting and being, um, the, you know, reestablishing that paper-thin attachment that just needs to…
And that even happens when they wake up. When they wake up, there’s been a separation. It’s time to connect first. Mm-hmm. Uh, when they go to sleep and they’re really resisting it, that’s sort of, um, uh, they’re worried about the disconnection that’s about to happen, a separation anxiety. Anyway, so connect- Mm
before you direct.
Christa Innis: Love that. Um, and I love what you said about like finding the positives too of like what you like about your child as well. Um, ’cause I, I think, eh, I don’t know if it’s like a way of like how people connect, but I feel like they always say like negatives first, just in general. Like, like think about when your kid turns two and they’re like, “Oh, terrible twos.”
I had some people say that when my daughter was turning two, um, like, “Oh, terrible twos.” And I would quickly correct them. I’d be like, “No, terrific twos. It’s the terrific twos.” Aw. And we loved, we loved when she was two. It was great. And-
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah …
Christa Innis: and it’s just like, and I’m not saying that’s gonna obviously solve, you know, solve problems and stuff, but it really is like a mind shift of being like, no, it’s terrific because you know what?
They’re at this new stage, and they’re learning things. But people are so- Well,
Mary Van Geffen: you’re also bringing up the point that women, we tend to, um, be very wary of seeming like we’re bragging. Mm. And, um, we put ourselves down to seem safe to other women, and I think some of that happens as moms when it’s like, “How’s so-and-so?”
“Ugh. Well, let me tell you.” Like, we wanna connect, and we don’t wanna seem, um, like we’re bragging. And, uh, uh, the spicy one needs you to brag because there’s so many people like that do not appreciate them. Often their, their own teacher. So- Taking a moment, especially the overheard brag where your kid can hear you saying, “Can I tell you what my kid did today?”
Totally set the table. Put everything, and put the forks and the knives. Like, make a big deal of what is positive. Mm-hmm. And maybe have a conversation with your girlfriend. Like, can we talk about what’s good about our kids? I need a space to practice doing that. Same with our husbands. Like- Mm-hmm … I, I was raised by a woman who has a lot of contempt for, um, her husband, my father.
Mm. And, like, it’s a way of connecting where she’ll be like, “Ugh, let me tell you what your father did.” And then I hear myself doing that a little bit- Mm-hmm … and I wanna be my husband’s biggest cheerleader. Like- Mm-hmm … that’s the kind of relationships we want, but we sort of get in these lazy habits of, it’s almost like gossip where we share what’s negative about the people we love, and that’s, that’s a habit we gotta, we gotta put the kibosh on.
Christa Innis: Yes, yes. No, I, I so agree with that. I feel like it is like you don’t wanna sound like, um, bra- uh, yeah, like braggy. We, we, we want to, like, humble ourselves in a way, and it’s, whether it’s talking about ourselves, our kids, or our partners, I feel like it’s, it’s this thing. Like, I remember I was talking to someone once, and I was like, “Oh, yeah, my husband does most of the cooking.”
And then I was like, th- in my head later, I’m like, did I sound like I was bragging? I don’t know. Like- Like, did I, like, does that sound weird? I’m like, and then I’m like, oh, ’cause I’m a crappy cooker. You know? Like, I’m like, I’m like, do I need to turn around to, like, these self-deprecating. You know-
Mary Van Geffen: Well- …
Christa Innis: you feel like you have
Mary Van Geffen: to
you’re right. There’s, the other side of it is, like, have you ever, like, spilled your, you’re trying to be intimate with a new friend, and you’re like, “Yeah, I’m just really sad about this thing.” And, and then they come back and like, “Everything’s great for me,” and you kind of feel like, oh, I don’t know if I’m close to this person.
Like, they never- Yes … they’re never vulnerable with me. So it’s- Mm-hmm … it’s so hard to, to work on female friendships. So hard. I get you, right.
Christa Innis: No, totally. Um, so for people that get your book, again, it’s named Parenting a Spicy One, what can they expect out of it? What kind of exercises? What does it kind of take them through?
Mary Van Geffen: Uh, it takes them, like the first four chapters don’t have a lot to do with your kid. I mean, it does take you through sort of their temperament and that, but really we do a lot of inner work, and both talking about what does your inner voice say to you? Like, do you have a critical inner voice or do you have one that’s positive?
And a lot of us don’t have a positive one so we’ve gotta rebuild it. So there’s even like a, a test in there of like which kind of negative voice, or I call them your, um, uh… What do I call them? I’m, I want you to have an inner best friend and a lot of people have an inner mean girl. Mm-hmm. And so we’ll work on that.
And then eventually we start getting to like here are the, um, ways that you can alter your leadership and your communication style to m- increase cooperation. And then there’s some like tricky chapters that I needed which is like what do you do when the, when the meltdown is violent? Mm-hmm. Nobody talks about that so there’s a whole chapter on that.
What do you do when your husband or your partner is not on board with d- with sort of a respectful kind of parenting? Mm. And they’re making things even worse? W- and that’s a chapter. And then another chapter is what do you, the judgment of, that comes from other people, how do you respond? And there’s a bunch of scripts in there.
Mm. And then the other one that I think’s important is how do you protect the mild-child sibling- Mm … from kind of like what’s going on with the spicy one who takes a lot of the oxygen out of the family?
Christa Innis: Mm. Okay, awesome. I love that. And where can people find your book?
Mary Van Geffen: Anywhere books are sold. Cool. I did the, um, if you like my voice I did the Audible.
Oh, cool. So if you wanna hear me while driving.
Christa Innis: I love that. Okay, I’m gonna check it out. I definitely have to read it. Um, I love, I love a good coaching book and I feel like I can never Get enough, like, parenting advice. I love, I’ve de- love just learning from- But
Mary Van Geffen: it’s also overwhelming to have so, so many people in our feed giving us advice.
Mm-hmm. And so I hope when you read this, like, there’s a chapter called Teaching Life Skills to a Hellion, and I had to fight to say hellion because my, um, publisher was like, “I don’t know. Is that a, a bad word?” No, it’s not. Yeah. But, um, you will find that I, I’m trying to help you in this book figure out what your values are, what’s important to you, not what’s important to me, ’cause there, I might really prize, um, independence while you’re prizing a community, and neither is wrong.
But knowing your values, and there’s a list of 200 of them, um, as part of the book. Knowing what you value helps you, like, step off a lot of, um, arguments you would normally get in with your kid, and then you realize, “Wait a second, like, I, this doesn’t matter to me much as this.” Like, kinda knowing what your non-negotiables are, like, when you need to be firm and when you can be more flexible.
Trust Your Gut Before You Say ‘I Do’
Christa Innis: Mm. All right, cool. Love that. Awesome. Um, okay, let’s switch over a little bit, little, little bit of topic here, over to some wedding drama. You said you had- Wedding drama … a wedding story of your own you would like to share, so-
Mary Van Geffen: Oh, yes … let’s
Christa Innis: have at
Mary Van Geffen: it. Well, since this is dedicated to weddings, I, um, was asked to marry- this man.
And, um, we were heading towards the, the big day, and it was starting to not feel right, and I kinda realized that I had, um, I had… I, I realized that the night he had proposed to me, I said to myself, “Well, Mary, it’s about time. You’ve, you’ve, you’ve been with a lot of different kinds of guys, and you’ve lived large, and this guy, look at him, he really loves you.
Like, I don’t think you’re gonna get any better than this. You should just do it.”
Christa Innis: Hmm.
Mary Van Geffen: And it was two weeks before the big day, and I called my mom and I said, “I made a mistake. I don’t wanna marry this man. I don’t, I don’t love him that way.” And she said, “Well, tough titties, because we have sent out the invitations.
They are out. It’s at the yacht club. You are gonna go through with this, and then whatever you do on the other side is up to you.”
Christa Innis: That’s my story.
Mary Van Geffen: And I did not stay married to that man, but we did go have that big wedding. And, uh, now I’m on my second and final, uh, marriage, and we’ve been together 22 years, and everything worked out.
But I’m… If my daughter calls the day of the wedding and is like, “It… What… It’s not the right…” I’m gonna, I’m gonna let her pull out.
Christa Innis: Yeah. You’d be like, “I’ll be right there,” because the work then to not do it. It’s f- it’s wild the number of stories I’ve heard where they’re like, “I had a gut feeling, and I still went through with it, and then we ended up divorced.”
Or there’s like… I, I was in a wedding once where she was in the car, I, I’m trying to think of this, before the rehearsal crying to us. And at the bachelorette party she was cry- And I was like, “You don’t have to do this.” Like, “It’s okay,” and- Oh,
Mary Van Geffen: you did say that?
Christa Innis: Yeah. We all said, “It’s okay if you don’t, if you don’t wanna have to do it.”
And she was like, “Vendors have already been paid. We’re doing it.” And they got divorced, like I wanna say two years later I mean,
Mary Van Geffen: it felt a little bit like an execution where it’s like everyone’s waiting, the stage has already been set- Yeah … the noose is, is up. Yeah, that’s tough.
Christa Innis: Wow. That’s… Yeah. Yeah, and then you s- yeah, you have to go, go through with it.
And then to know-
Mary Van Geffen: And in our society has… There’s so many movies where someone’s like, “Baby, you just have cold feet.” Yes. “That’s totally normal.” And so we don’t trust ourselves. I mean, maybe, I would love to know if, if from all your interviews cold feet is a part of really good marriages, but I was totally sure my second time.
And, um, my, one of my favorite movies is Runaway Bride- Mm … because I feel like she made the right decision even though it was at the last minute many times. Love
Christa Innis: that movie. Yes. Um, yes, I still vividly remember seeing that movie in theaters. Um, it’s, it’s funny you bring up the cold feet thing because, yes, I remember growing up always hearing like, “Oh, you get cold feet.
You get so nervous.” And you know, they had like the, the bag that you’re like, “Okay.” You know? Like, “Oh, it’s nervous. Just go.” And like I, and a- again, I don’t know, everyone’s different, but like I didn’t have any of those nerves on my wedding day. But then again, we also lived together for many years, so I wasn’t like, “Oh, this is a new person that we’re gonna live together for the first time.”
I was just like, “All right. Cool. It’s next, this next chapter. Let’s, let’s party. Let’s hang out.” Like, it’s the next step.
Mary Van Geffen: But also, like if… I would think an introvert would be more likely to get cold feet because it’s, you basically- Totally … have to go on a stage and, and be the center of attention. I could see that c- giving you pause.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Mary Van Geffen: But if you’re like, “I’m not sure this is the right guy,” then trust it.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah, I don’t know. I… Well, see, that’s… It’s weird. That’s where like introversion’s like so confusing to me, but it’s like I, especially if it’s in a room of people that I know and love, I don’t feel introverted by that. It’s like getting up like on a stage where I don’t know people, I’d be like shaking.
Like, and, and I feel, and I feel like my inner voice is very like judgey of myself. Like I’ll talk to someone- Mm … and then I like will like leave or get in my car and I’m like, “Why did I say that?” Or, “Oh, my gosh. What?” Like- You could do a- … “I’m so weird.”
Mary Van Geffen: You could do a skit on that. That- That’s a good one. Yeah.
I’ll be the inner voice. I’ll be like, I’ll wear a brunette w- um, wig and be like, “What were you thinking? They must think you’re so weird.”
Christa Innis: Yeah. Why would you, why would you wear that? Why would you say that? It’s like, it’s like when you go to the movie and they’re like, “Enjoy your movie,” and you’re like, “You too.”
And I’m like, “Ugh. Why?” Mm.
Mary Van Geffen: Yes.
The Mother-in-Law Who Wouldn’t Take No for an Answer
Christa Innis: That’s, that’s my life. Um, okay. All right. Let’s get into this week’s story submission that someone had sent me. Um, okay, so as always, you can kind of like stop me if you want, or we’ll kind of just react as we go, and let’s see what happens. I- in case this one’s like… This one’s pretty short, so I do have a second one as, um, backup if it’s a little too short.
Okay, here we go. When we were planning our wedding, my husband’s mother insisted on singing Ave Maria during the ceremony. Oh, she insisted on s- okay. Okay. Wow. That, that starts off strong.
Mary Van Geffen: Wow. Making it about her.
Christa Innis: Yeah. That’s not even like a sp- like, I’ve heard a lot of like parents demanding to like give a speech at a wedding, which, uh, but to sing is-
Mary Van Geffen: Well, and to choose that song, which is like hyper religious, I guess Catholic, right?
I was raised Catholic. Um, very operatic. Like it’s a whole vibe. Mm-hmm. You don’t get to choose that vibe. Like-
Christa Innis: Right …
Mary Van Geffen: and, and I wonder if, was it at the wedding or was it at the, um, like the party later? I guess it would have to be the wedding, right?
Christa Innis: Right. Oh, man. Yeah, and what part? Is this like when they’re excha- like after or before exchanging vows, and it’s just like this dramatic moment?
Like-
Mary Van Geffen: I mean, that says so much about what the relationship’s gonna be like. Like, the centering of her having her moment. Like, that’s not your moment to have. I would be- but I would be cur- like, I think sometimes a mother-in-law is the first person that a woman learns to set boundaries with. And like you, you have to speak up.
People can’t read your mind. So when she says- Mm-hmm … she insisted, did, did anybody say, “No, that won’t work for us”? Like, what does that mean by she insisted? Did, did she just say, “I wanna do this,” and they both were too scared to say anything else? I don’t know.
Christa Innis: Right, and they just like built it into the ceremony.
Yeah. All right, let’s see. Um, her entire large family, seven siblings, had her sing at all of their weddings. So it’s like a tradition it sounds like. My husband is the second youngest, and there’s a 20-year age gap between him and his oldest sibling. Okay. I didn’t like my soon-to-be mother-in-law, and she clearly didn’t like me.
She even told my mother the night before the wedding that she knew we’d get divorced. I would not be having someone like that sing at my wedding.
Mary Van Geffen: That’s like having somebody come and, and do a hex.
Christa Innis: Mm.
Mary Van Geffen: Like having a, a bad fairy come, like put their juju all over the thing. That’s awful.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Uh, anyway, she may have had a nice voice many years ago, but she was now in her 60s at, at that time, and her voice was definitely not what it had used to be.
After many discussions and arguments with my soon-to-be husband, I agreed to let her sing during the part of the Catholic service when my little cousins would be bringing up the gifts of wine and water. So it caused so many arguments, which makes me think the husband said yes and she said no.
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah.
Christa Innis: And I’m like, I feel like after one no, they should’ve just been like, “Okay, we’re not doing it.”
But it sounds like the husband kept pushing and being like, “Well, she really wants to sing even though she doesn’t like you and thinks we’ll get divorced,” which…
Mary Van Geffen: Wow.
Christa Innis: Okay, so they let her sing. When that moment came, we couldn’t hear her sing at all. After a few minutes of silence, the soloist thankfully stepped in and just started another song.
Okay.
Mary Van Geffen: Like the microphone wasn’t working, I wonder?
Christa Innis: I don’t… Uh, yeah, after a few mis- yeah, I guess so. Maybe the microphone didn’t work or like she was like way too quiet or something L- I don’t know. Later I heard the music for Ave Maria begin right as communion was starting. She and her husband were supposed to come up for communion with my parents, my husband, and me.
We had argued about that exact issue for months. My poor music coordinator was completely flustered and didn’t know what to do because my mother-in-law was standing right there insisting on singing right then. So while this is going on, she’s like, “I’m singing now.”
Oh. I don’t even know how, what… It’s this fact that it’s during the ceremony when you’re like, there’s so many people here watching and, like, this is going on Yeah.
Mary Van Geffen: And probably half the group kinda knows the situation a little bit.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Mary Van Geffen: You know whose fault this is? Uh- I believe it is the, um, groom’s
Christa Innis: I
Mary Van Geffen: would say that
because it is the, it is the son’s responsibility to set boundaries with his mother. It is not… Like, he set her up to, his wife up to fail, making her have to even be in this communication. Like, he should have gone personally and been like, “No, Mom, it’s not gonna work for her.”
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Mary Van Geffen: Even if you blame her, he should be the one setting the boundary.
Christa Innis: 100% agree. They should have never even, like, gone back and forth on it. If the wife’s, if the fiancé that wrote this in said no, that’s it. Like, it, it’s, it’s not even like, I don’t know, I just only feel like it should have been discussed this so long, and he should have been putting his foot down, for sure.
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah. It reminds me of the sketch you did about the sisters that wanted to be in the wedding.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And just constantly, like, pushing and pushing. Yeah. Um, uh, yeah. It’s, it’s wild. She got her moment after all, walking up the aisle and receiving communion after everyone else was seated. I swear she smirked at me.
She had pretended to agree with everything at the rehearsal but clearly had no intention of honoring our wishes. On top of that, my husband had 15 nieces and nephews under the age of 12, and we had agreed to a no, to a child-free wedding. Some of his siblings tried for months to change our minds, but we held firm.
Well, several of them showed up with their children anyway. We had no seats for them, no meals ordered. They weren’t well-behaved and caused distractions all night, and we s- Mm … and we were still charged for eight extra plates. My husband and I were paying for the entire wedding ourselves. The reception was at a lakeside resort that had a separate bar from the event space.
When Family Boundaries Predict the Marriage
While we were out taking photos, his family went to that bar and told the staff to put everything on our tab, my God, even though we already had an open bar at the reception. We ended up with a bar bill in the thousands on top of reception cost. Again, we were young. We were just starting our careers while they were all well-established, and not one person offered to help cover the bill.
And to top it all off, my husband was a graphic artist just starting his career, so I was pay- paying for everything. He mooched off me for 30 years- … before I finally- Oh … kicked him to the curb. Here we go.
Mary Van Geffen: Oh. That was the clincher at the end. Okay. Did not
Christa Innis: see that coming. ‘Cause this is…
Mary Van Geffen: It was like a rotten beginning, and it never got better.
Christa Innis: So it was doomed from the start- Mm-hmm … but not because of her, uh, he, I mean, th- uh, what do I always say so many times on this? If the husband or the partner does not stand up for you right away when there’s some kind of, like, issue with maybe family or something, I don’t think they’re ever going to.
And so this just shows then he mooched off her for 30 years. I don’t know what that, necessarily that means, but-
Mary Van Geffen: Well, what do you think about th- this could be, like, a generational thing, but I agree that they need to stand up for you, but I don’t know if they have the skills yet. Is it okay that, that y- your relationship is so important to them that it’s the first time they’ve had to stand up to their mom?
Mm-hmm. I mean, I, I, I hear a lot of folks your age that are like, “You know, I don’t need to teach a man how to be a good partner.” But- Mm … you do learn so much as you’re together. Like, do you think it’s okay that at fir- his first glance is like, “Oh, I don’t wanna talk to her about this,” and then you explain to him, like, “No, it’s going to be crucial that throughout this relationship for me to maintain a relationship with your mom that you are the one who sets the boundaries.”
Like, what do you think about that?
Christa Innis: Yeah, no, I agree. I feel like it is the first time, and that’s… I actually just had Dr. Tracy, um, on the podcast, and she kinda talked… One of her books was about mother, mother-in-laws, and she d- basically said, like, it’s, it’s basically the first time that a h- like, a person has to distinguish between, like, their past family and the family dynamic that was there and now his new family.
And she basically said that, like, if there’s, like, a mother-in-law like this, maybe she’s a controlling mother-in-law, so she has to have everything her way, and maybe he was a more passive son and was very like, “Just do whatever Mom says.” And so yeah, it puts him in this position of like, well, Mom’s have, wants it this way.
You’re just this- Mm-hmm … you know, you’re just my new fiancé, but, like, Mom is over here, you know? And so yeah, I think it’s like, I, it, I feel like it’s a difficult position to be in, but when I… From the outside, I can be like, oh, he for sure, you know, he needs to just tell her no. But a- yeah, I’m sure it’s, like, way more-
Mary Van Geffen: Well, it’s interesting.
Now I’m on the other side. I, I have a son. He’s 19, and I notice when he’s… I, I, like, our relationship is very sweet and affectionate, and it, it will have to change to make space for someone else to be his primary person. Mm-hmm. And there is a loss to that. Mm-hmm. It’s not up to the bride to, like, help the mom through it.
You gotta go f- the mother-in-law, you gotta go find your own friends and talk through- Um, how, you know, this kid, this kid that you nursed is now not that available to you because they have a new family. Yes- Mm-hmm … there’s loss to it, but yeah. Y- um, so did she say anything else after the mooching part?
Christa Innis: She just ended with, “Shame on me,” that she, that he, she kicked him to the curb and it says, “Shame on me.”
Mm. So yeah, that was, that’s how it ended. So that’s like how the wild story kinda started, was all these things that just kinda were building up and went wrong. But I think, I think, like, the, I mean, like you said, it starts off with the mom insisting on singing, not taking no for an answer, and then even after they make all these discussions of, like, “This is, okay, we’re gonna f- we’re gonna let you sing during this part only,” she just does it her own way anyway.
So it just sounds like a mom that’s like, “I’m gonna have it my way. I’m not willing to negotiate.” Um-
Mary Van Geffen: And that means, like, she raised him with that same sort of me, me, me focus-
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm …
Mary Van Geffen: which would make him kind of emotionally stunted. Like, she w- if she’s, she’s probably always been, like, about her own, um, comfort and- And that’s, that meant that he couldn’t be the partner that she would need.
And I always wonder, when you have some wild mother-in-law like that, does she have a girl gang that she goes back to and says, “She tried to not let me sing at her wedding, so I got her. I went and sang later, right in the middle of communion. I got that bitch.” Like, does she have people that are, like, cheering her on and think that’s great?
And, like, is she in some kind of weird echo chamber? Yeah. Like, I just can’t think of a f- of any woman I know that would be like, “That’s awesome.” I think I- we would all, like, wince and be like- Like, no. Ew … “Ew, that’s sort of toxic.”
Christa Innis: Yes. I know. I wonder about that too. Uh, it’s gotta be, like, she’s, either if she is telling someone the story, she’s changing certain things.
You know, it’s that, like, the toxic daughter-in-law, or she’s maybe changing the story a little bit. Um- Yeah … and I feel like that’s what I try to do, like, in my skits too, is show, like, people, like, there’s a nuance to everything. Because one time someone commented on a story and they were like, “Well, you’re only getting one side.”
And I was like, “Well, of course I’m only getting one side,” ’cause that’s how a story works, that someone sends me their story, and I’m like, and, you know, I take it as much as I can. I’ll twist some things and I make it more dramatic maybe. Yeah. But that’s part of it. Like, if we saw it maybe from the mom’s perspective, maybe there was, like, an argument that happened and the daughter-in-law said something.
We don’t know, right?
Mary Van Geffen: We need some Boomer lady to start making her sketches that are, like, attacking the daughter. That’s so true, and, and the best books to me, or the best movies, don’t just, like, follow everybody- Mm-hmm … and you get everybody’s perspective, un- unless it’s, like, one of those ones where it completely shifts and each chapter is a, is, like, from the perspective- Right
of a different person. Yeah. But I don’t think those are great stories, the ones where the, the narrator’s just kind of following… Like, you, you wouldn’t know how that person’s feeling, and then this person. So I totally- Mm-hmm … appreciate that you’re focused on kind of one person is the hero.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And, and I feel like, too, it’s like, I’m sure, you know, there were some different things going on.
But I, but I think where we do agree too is about the, the fiancé does at least, like, where he’s not gonna stop all drama from happening. You know, if a p- the mom’s the mom and the, and the fiancé’s her fiancé, right? But I think he needs to be, like, like, a bridge or some, like, be like, “Okay, I’m, I’m gonna be protecting my new fiancé,” maybe.
Mm-hmm. And, and say, like, “Okay, we don’t want this together,” and s- kind of speak for them. And I think maybe- Yeah … that’s where the communication was kinda like, maybe he’d say one thing to his fiancé and then he’d be on the phone with his mom and be like, “Oh yeah- Oh … I’ll convince her,” you know? That’s where I kinda see it.
Yes. That’s what happened. He was playing both sides. “Oh, I’ll talk to her. Yeah. She’s, she’ll be fine.” And, um, and that’s one thing too, when I was talking to, um, uh, the, the therapist that came on. She was like, basically like- It’s hard for them to, you know, full- like fully play one side, you know, unle- unless they’re like, you know, um, I’m trying to, I’m kinda like stumbling on my words.
It’s
Mary Van Geffen: hard for a therapist, like in couples therapy you mean?
Christa Innis: No, I’m sorry. I meant like the husband to be able to like- pick,
Mary Van Geffen: you
Christa Innis: know, pick one side because it’s like he’s been told his whole life, “Okay, this is your mom, so like let’s just let Mom have her way,” and then, you know, you go to the, his new fiancé- Yeah,
Mary Van Geffen: but it like- You know, it’s just like- In a, in a functional family, nobody’s telling my son, “Just let your mom have her way.
She’s gonna make things pretty…” Like, that’s not a functional, healthy- Mm-hmm … uh, way to, for everybody to be communicating. So it’s like if this has deep roots, if, if this has been going on where the child has had to kinda kowtow to whatever the mom wants even as he became an adult, like-
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah … no good.
No good.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I know, and it makes me wonder if, if she sang at all the other siblings’ weddings, did she tell them? Or, you know, “Hey, I’m singing at your wedding,” or do they actually want her to sing at their weddings as well? That’s, that’d be
Mary Van Geffen: interesting. Also, like if you grow up and somebody’s been saying, “I can’t wait to sing at your wedding,” you don’t really know any different.
Like, you’re like, “Oh, that’s just part of how our family… This is our tradition in our family.” Um, it reminds me that I have a friend who’s like, “Oh, I told my child, like if I ever get dementia or become incapacitated like my mother, like immediately put me in a home.” And I was like, “Oh, really? ‘Cause I tell my kids, ‘Immediately let me live with you.
I wanna live with you. I will pay for it.'” And I think that’s probably toxic. Somebody needs to talk me out of it. But I feel like I don’t wanna go live in a weird institution and wear paper nightgowns and have people not check on me and, and waste away. Like- Ugh. “Let me just use my life savings and be in your back room and we’ll pay for a nurse,” but-
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm
Mary Van Geffen: I gotta probably get over that. I think that might be the, like the last elements of toxicity in me because- … they gotta have their own life. They can’t be taking care of me.
Christa Innis: Yeah, but don’t… Isn’t there, aren’t there studies where like you like live longer and do better when you’re with your family versus like-
Mary Van Geffen: For sure.
Yeah. Yeah, and, and I think in other non-Western cultures, there’s so much more reverence for the older generation and-
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm …
Mary Van Geffen: and, uh, and there’s multi-generations that live together. Here- Right … we’re so like hyper independent.
Christa Innis: I know. I know. It’s so sad. I know. I do see that a lot of times it’s like way more multi-generational homes, whereas here it’s like, okay, you’re kicked out at 18.
You live on your own and pay your own bills and-
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah … um- And 18 is so arbitrary. Yes. Like, it’s a random, um, legal number. Like, it doesn’t mean that… Obviously we all know your brain keeps needing to develop until you’re 26, and I think with… I mean, we’re totally getting off topic here. But with, with the way the economy is, there’s gonna be a lot of people with kids moving back in- Mm
and we need to figure out- What, how to do that in a healthy way, um, because economically I think people are gonna have to be able to do that.
Christa Innis: Totally. And I’ve seen more and more, like maybe it’s just coming up on my feed, but women g- like maybe like mid to late 20s, some even early 30s are like, “I still live at home because I lost my job and I had to do this.”
And, and I think letting go of that pressure, I’m not saying everyone needs to do it or should do it, I know that would not have worked well for me and my family, but, you know, everyone’s different. But, um, letting go of the pressure of like you have to be out and have your job, like as soon as you graduate college or high school.
Like, you know, everyone has their own path and kind of, you know, see what works, you know, test-
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah, I’m so, I’m so torn because I also think if you don’t communicate that like, “Okay, once you’re done college you’re on your own,” if it feels like, “Oh, I can just come back”- Yeah … I know several adult children that have like kind of wasted away in their mom’s basement because there wasn’t that, there was no bottom, there was no, um…
It’s like I think sometimes the kindest love can, I’m talking out of both sides of my mouth, I’m aware of that. But- … the kindest love can be like, “You’re gonna have to figure it out, and I believe you can figure it out.”
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Mary Van Geffen: But I don’t know if that’s the same now that wages and lodging don’t add up. So I don’t, I think, think we’re, we’ve got a lot of uncharted territory we’re headed in- Mm-hmm
where it hasn’t been like this before.
Christa Innis: Yeah. There’s definitely, definitely a shift, you know? I mean, I think, yeah, it’s like when I was going to college that was kind of like a thing you did. You just like, you went away- Right … and then you moved back home for a little bit, but I was only, I was home for maybe a year before I moved in with my now husband.
But, um, yeah. I don’t know. It’s, yeah, it’s very n- different how, how things are working or, you know.
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah.
Christa Innis: What were we talking about again? I don’t know. Um, no, that was great. I love, I love- If
Mary Van Geffen: you cut all this out I’ll be pissed.
Christa Innis: No, it’s all, it’s all staying in. I love just seeing where conversations go. No, that was, that was definitely an interesting one.
I’ve never heard, I’ve heard of people demanding to like play an instrument before or give a speech at weddings. This was the first time I’ve heard someone demanding to sing at a wedding, so very interesting. And interesting that the mother-in-law did, um, uh, predict what was gonna happen, but it was 30 years down the road and-
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah, that doesn’t count by the way.
She was wrong.
Wedding Confessions & Final Words of Wisdom
Christa Innis: Yes. Okay. Yeah. All right. I always like to end these with some confessions that people send me. Um, okay. A moment you felt overwhelmed at your own wedding or someone else’s. Let’s see. This says, “To be honest, just walking into a room full of people staring,” like we were kind of just talking about.
Um, “When guests kept asking me different questions.” I don’t know what that would mean. Maybe during, like, wedding planning or something.
Mary Van Geffen: Oh, no, I hate that when people are like, “Oh, where should I put this?” Or, like, I can’t even handle that. I’m having a dinner party and there’s, like, six guests and someone’s like, “Oh, I brought this thing,” and it, like, has several steps.
I’m like, “No, girl, I did, I did not prepare for that. You’re on your own. I hope you can find something to put that in.”
Christa Innis: Best of luck to you.
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I remember just being very, like, unbothered on my wedding day. Like, I was like-
Mary Van Geffen: Wow …
Christa Innis: please don’t… Like, I think I was just like, I need to, like, make my rounds as quickly as I can.
I had only one person luckily bring up grandkids and I was like, “Okay, I’m out. I gotta go.” Like, why are we bringing up grandkids on a wedding day?
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah, just be here on this day, for goodness sakes. Yes.
Christa Innis: Like, “Oh, how, we have grandkids soon?” I’m like, “Okay.” Uh-
Mary Van Geffen: I think there’s so many things that people say that are just what people say.
Like, they, they don’t know what to say, so they’re like, “Oh, this is the thing I ask about next.” This is the
Christa Innis: thing I say. Yeah.
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yes. It’s the same with, like, um, when you like… I’ve noticed this now, like, I, I have one daughter, but, like, when I see someone else with their baby they’ll be like, “Oh, do you have baby fever?
You gonna have another one?” And I’m like-
Mary Van Geffen: Yeah …
Christa Innis: uh, no. I don’t know.
Mary Van Geffen: Also, my fertility is none of your business. Yeah. Yeah, there’s just a lot of things that are left over, like nice-isms that aren’t that nice. Like, “Oh, you got a handful there,” or, um- L- y- like you said, the terrible twos. There’s just these phrases that I think we need to interrogate a little bit and, and wonder why we say them, and just
But it, I think it does help for people to have scripts. Like, if you go to someone’s wedding, what are some things that would be appropriate to say to the bride when you’re not really sure what to say? Mm-hmm. Like, maybe like, “Oh, there was so much love in that service,” or- Mm-hmm … “I am so honored to be here, a part of this huge day,” or, “I have
I can see that you guys treat each other so well. You’re gonna have such a beautiful marriage.” Like, get … Maybe prepare your crap ahead of time so you- Yeah … don’t say something so dumb.
Christa Innis: I love that. Yes. Um, this says, um, “When everyone needed something from me at once,” and that’s why you hire a day coordinator or designate one of your bridal party as that, your point of contact, because no one should be bothering the bride or groom on their wedding day.
Mary Van Geffen: There is a lot of power in telling a friend, “Hey, would you be the person that does this or is your…” First off, it makes introverts or people who don’t know anyone feel like they have a, a real reason and a, and a, and a sort of a position of influence, and that feels good. Mm-hmm. And just t- having a little thing, like I’ve, I’ve had events where I’m like, “Could you be the person in charge of a drink?
I don’t care what the drink is, and … But I’m doing all this other stuff. Would you bring a drink?” And then they bring, like, and it’s just amazing. Or, “Would you be the person that notices when the charcuterie goes low?” Like, I think people really like to have- Mm-hmm … that, um, ask, and it takes it off your shoulders.
Christa Innis: Yes. When I’m at a party and I don’t know anybody, I love a good task. Give me a task. I will take … I … You want me to watch the dessert table and refill it? I will make sure there’s no empty spot. Like, give me a task, please. Okay. Well, thank you so much for coming on. Um, and just let me know, like, where anyone can find your book, anything fun you’re working on.
Mary Van Geffen: You … The best way to kinda work with me is to try a month of Moms A Spicy Ones Academy, where we, uh, get together three times a month if you want. It’s kinda like having dark chocolate in your bra drawer. There’s a private Instagram, uh, feed. It’s there when you need it, but it’s not something you have to do, and then all these classes.
I’ve got a class called Getting Calm, Kind Class, Firm Class, and then the Deep Work curriculum that, um, is really powerful for figuring out the kind of mom you wanna be. So that’s the best way to work with me, and then of course on Instagram I’m constantly putting dumb, uh, posts out every day.
Christa Innis: Awesome.
Well, thank you so much, and it was great having you on.
Mary Van Geffen: Oh, I loved being here. Bye, everybody.
Top WILD Moments: Wedding Scams, Mother Manipulations, and Dilemma Update!
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This episode pulls together wedding stories from past guests and wedding submissions. Trust gets stretched, boundaries get ignored, and somewhere along the way family members decide the wedding is also their personal stage.
I go back to a few of the most talked-about stories. A maid of honor situation that spirals into serious financial accusations. A honeymoon that was hijacked by a mother-in-law. And wedding after wedding where mothers and mother-in-laws shift from “supportive presence” to full-on control mode.
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Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- The Maid of Honor Scam – A shocking wedding scam uncovers years of alleged financial deception and betrayal.
- A Honeymoon Hijacked – A controlling mother-in-law turns a honeymoon into chaos, forcing the newlyweds to stand united.
- Wedding Spotlight Jealousy – One bride’s mother copies her engagement ring, competes for attention, and creates drama throughout wedding planning.
- Guests Tried to Get a Discount – Mothers of the bride and groom relentlessly criticize the wedding before hinting they deserve a major discount on the celebration.
- Toxic Family Cycles – Generational patterns of manipulation, jealousy, and unhealthy family dynamics.
- Wrong People in the Room – Not everyone around the bride should be part of wedding decisions if they’re adding stress instead of support.
- Mother Mayhem – From controlling moms to impossible mothers-in-law, wedding celebrations spiral into chaos as family members compete for attention and control.
- Boundaries Change Everything – Couples that learn to protect their marriage sometimes means standing up to toxic family members.
- Stress vs. Support System – The biggest takeaway: your wedding circle should calm you, not overwhelm you.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “Peace is better than chaos and eventually boundaries have to be drawn.” – Christa Innis
- “They had spent around $300,000 to $400,000 of my family members’ money. It’s absolute insanity” – Jubilee Dawn
- “This is my best friend in theory and this is my wedding day. I can’t imagine that she would do this” – Jubilee Dawn
- “You need that kind of support around you when you’re going through stuff like this.” – Beth Hoffberg
- “It’s so silly to me, because if you haven’t been communicating, how can you even know what was discussed? You’re not the deciding factor.” – Kendra Matthies
- “You don’t know anything about this person. They’re doing their jobs, they’re helping. Why make that kind of comment?” – Kendra Matthies
- “She knows exactly what she is doing.” – Beth Hoffberg
- “Some of the best training for marriage is drama and tantrums and they passed the test.” – Sara Margulis
- “Avoid talking about tough stuff you’re going through with family or even a lot of friends, because it can set up this me‑versus‑him dynamic .” – Sara Margulis
- “That’s just toxic. They shouldn’t even be in the wedding” – CliffNotes Gal
- “She needs to invite me to the wedding and I will be there in a heartbeat. I’ll make sure her reception is a blast.” – CliffNotes Gal
*This conversation is for entertainment and informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. Please seek a licensed professional for your specific situation.
About the Guests
Jubilee Dawn
Jubilee Dawn is a TikTok and Instagram creator who dives into religious deconstruction, purity culture, and wild youth pastor stories. She also hosts two podcasts: Heel Dish, sharing survivor stories, and The Overshare Hour, an advice‑driven show with her best friend.
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Sara Margulis
Sara Margulis is the co‑founder and CEO of Honeyfund, the leading wedding registry that lets couples receive the gift of a honeymoon or cash to start their lives together. Launched nearly 20 years ago, Honeyfund has helped millions of couples celebrate their weddings.
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Beth Hoffberg
Beth Hoffberg, known online as @intuitivelybeth, is a certified life coach with over 10 years of experience and a background in psychology and marriage & family therapy. She’s also an entrepreneur who has been practicing tarot for eight years, sharing her journey of healing, intuition, and trauma recovery.
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CliffNotes Gal is a TikTok creator known for her fast‑paced, one‑minute recaps of long, drawn‑out storytimes. During COVID she made a fun summary stitch of a never‑ending video quickly blew up into millions of views, earning her the nickname “CliffNotes Gal” from her followers.
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Christa Innis: when my husband gets on the phone, my mother-in-law is yelling so loudly that people can hear her without speakerphone. She refuses to return the keys. At this point, we’re wasting our honeymoon morning. So we text her, leave the keys at the front door, or leave the keys at the front desk. They know it’s our car. If not, we’ll file a police report. We pack up and decide to take my car instead. At least they both have a car there. As we head toward the lot, I suddenly hear my husband say, Kat, get in the car now. I run to the car. And just in time to see her sprinting towards him, and she throws the keys at his face. this is wild. I’m I’m like picturing this in like a parking The, the words that I wanna use right now are not suitable for podcasts, but Oh wow.
Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Here Comes the Drama. I’m your host, Christa Innis, and instead of a brand new episode today, what we’re gonna do is compile some clips from some of our popular episodes featuring Jubilee, Sarah, Beth, Kendra, and Cliff Notes Gal. These are some wild stories, some great conversations, and so much more. But don’t you worry, at the very end I’m going to update you on a popular dilemma that we featured a couple weeks back. So stick around for the very end and I’m going to share that story update All right, Cleo, wanna say something? Hi. So without further ado, please enjoy this little recap, and I’ll see you at the end for a little update
The $400K Maid of Honor Heist
Jubilee Dawn: this is my best friend in theory and this is my wedding day. I can’t imagine that she would do this. And that is when he decided to let me in on the fact that this was not the first time that something like this had happened with Crystal.
Christa Innis: Oh.
Jubilee Dawn: And it had gotten buried.
But basically Crystal had been living with this family member with dementia. And she had been taking care of her along with her husband, and they were living in the house. But my, family members, they were very wealthy, you know, so it’s not like they were suffering, know, they’re living in this giant mansion, rent free and taking care of them, which really just meant, I don’t know, bringing them take out sometimes.
You know, it wasn’t that hard of a job. And apparently during a span of three, maybe three to four years, they had spent, around 300 to $400,000 of my family members’ money. I know. And it, it’s absolute insanity. And okay. To this day, when I confronted Crystal about all of this, she says, well, they wanted me to spend it.
they wanted me to spend this money. They told me to go buy whatever I wanted, and absolutely not. There’s no way. On top of that, she had drained every single one of their bank accounts. So my family member had had a good amount of money and I mean, crystal absolutely knew what she was doing because she would take every account to zero and then we have record that the checks were bouncing and then she would switch to the next account.
What? And to the next account. And during this time she was going on extravagant trips. they were, yeah, going on cruises. They were going to DC doing whale watching. He was getting new tires on his car. They even used my family member’s card to pay around $7,000 in taxes to the IRS.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh.
Jubilee Dawn: I know.
And the thing that I’m like, this is nail in the coffin. The same day that they put those taxes on the card, they also got A check for almost the exact same amount from the family member. so they got paid for it twice and mm-hmm. I guarantee what happened was Crystal went to this person and said, oh, we owe this money.
I’m so stressed, would you please pay it? And so not only did she kind of like manipulate somebody who has dementia, she ended up actually putting it on the card and then taking the check and making money off of that. wild. Yeah, it was horrible. So the reason I didn’t find out about this was there was a huge blowup where caused a lot of drift in the family at the time.
And when I was in Atlanta, I received this call from Crystal and she was crying and I mean, this is my best friend, you know, and you feel like you always want to have your best friend’s back, so mm-hmm. She called me crying saying, I’m being accused of stealing. And I didn’t do this. And they just see that a lot of money has been spent, but they don’t realize that the reason that the credit card is so high is because I’m paying all of the bills.
I’m paying the energy bill, I’m paying the mortgage, I’m doing all of this. This is why the bill seems so high, but nobody wants to listen to me. Mm-hmm. and they just are want to misunderstand me. And she also said, and I did spend a little too much at Dillard’s one day. She said, but you know how this family member is, they’ll tell you to go get anything you want sometimes.
And I just spent too much one day at the mall. but she had told me that I could. And honestly, that kind of tracked my family member was like that. She was very giving. There would be times where before school would start, she would give me her card and say, I want you to go get at least $500 worth of school clothes.
You know, and she was just a very giving person. But that is very different than three to $400,000.
Christa Innis: yeah. I can’t even comprehend that.
Jubilee Dawn: No, I’m like, that’s an outrageous amount of money. And I mean, it was honestly just crazy spending. It was daily Starbucks, they had so many subscription, like chewy boxes.
They had clothing subscriptions, getting mailed to them. Yeah. They were also getting a maid service get sent to their personal house. They eventually moved out and a maid was coming and cleaning their house on my family member’s card. and they eventually moved to Baltimore for her husband’s work.
And while they were even living in a different state, they were still using her card and living off of her.
Bachelorette Tables and Venmo Scams
She also pulled another con on my bachelorette, so it’s so ridiculous. Like it’s just a pattern of behavior. So there was another situation where we went to Hell, the Moon, which is this really fun piano bar with Bachelorette and it’s always super packed and it’s hard to get a table on the weekends.
So we wanted to reserve two tables and I think it was around $260. Mm-hmm. And it was gonna be split between five girls. So my maid of honor Crystal had sent out a text saying, here is. How much it’s gonna cost if everybody can Venmo me. I think it was around $56. Everybody Venmo me $56, for your portion of this.
And then once I found the wedding alcohol scam, I started going back to all these other statements and I saw that that was also on the card and that she had never paid for the hell at the moon. So she’s
Christa Innis: trying to make money off of it. Yeah. she didn’t pay herself and she
Jubilee Dawn: did, she, she made money off of all of my friends and family because, we sent her money for that and she pocketed it.
So, it was just a pattern of behavior. So then we started looking into it even more and found out that not only had she done that all those years before, but she was still doing it now,
Thrown Keys, Chaos, and Honeymoon Tantrums
Christa Innis: She said the hotel staff was just standing there wide-eyed.
We go to the front desk. The woman working had seen everything and was incredibly kind. We asked her to call my mother-in-law’s room since she was ignoring our calls, so she literally ran away with their keys to her room. Wow. She does. And when my husband gets on the phone, my mother-in-law is yelling so loudly that people can hear her without speakerphone.
She refuses to return the keys. At this point, we’re wasting our honeymoon morning. So we text her, leave the keys at the front desk. They know it’s our car. If not, we’ll file a police report. We pack up and decide to take my car instead. At least they both have a car there.
As we head toward the lot, I suddenly hear my husband say, Kat, get in the car now. I run to the car. And just in time to see her sprinting towards him, and she throws the keys at his face. this is wild. I’m like picturing this in like a parking
Sara Margulis: lot. Wow. the words that I wanna use right now are not suitable for podcasts, but Oh wow.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. that is insane. It’s because she didn’t get what she wanted. She thought by them saying like she thought. By her withholding the keys. They’d be like, okay, you know what, we’ll
Sara Margulis: take you. They’d have to do what she wanted and good for them, honestly, as a team for setting a boundary.
Because issues with in-laws come up all the time, all day, every day. Right. And like when it comes to a marriage, a marriage is different than just being boyfriend girlfriend or dating someone because you really, really have to have each other’s back first before anyone else in your life. That’s what makes marriage work.
And, avoid talking about tough stuff that you’re going through with them, with your family, even a lot of your friends, because it’s gonna set up this sort of like, me versus him, kind of a dynamic. Yeah. When you’re really, I love what this couple did. They stuck together. they called the bluff.
They were like, look, we’re not gonna let your tantrum throw off our day. leave our keys or, you know, we’ll act accordingly and. It worked like good for them. That was like honestly some of the best like training for marriage right there. and they passed the test.
Christa Innis: They leaped over that hurdle.
Literally they did it, they really did handle it very well of just being like, you know what, like almost treating it like, a toddler. Okay. Yeah. If you’re gonna act that way, we’re gonna just figure out, we’re gonna keep going this way because you’re just not Sorry. You know what
Sara Margulis: I wanna do? I don’t know if you can do this, but like I would really love to send them a little gift and like congratulate them on getting through that in a graceful way.
Christa Innis: I’ll have to see. Yeah. When they like sent it. I do have their, this person’s information, so I’ll have to see like when they sent it. But we have these really sweet Honey Ben Stanley’s
Sara Margulis: that we could send them.
Christa Innis: Oh, cute. Oh, I love that. That’s so cute. She then storms off again. I check on him. We get in the car and finally we drive off.
Ten Years of Manipulation: Boundaries at Last
Still married, still heading to our honeymoon, but absolutely stunned. And sadly, this wasn’t the last of it over the past 10 years. Okay. So this was 10 years ago. Wow.
Sara Margulis: Oh my God. Noticed. This was 10 years ago.
Christa Innis: We’ve dealt with stunt after stunt, emotional manipulation, dramatic scenes, chaos at every family gathering.
But this was the first of many wild moments. She’s thrown our way. And finally, this year, for the sake of our children, we’ve made the decision to significantly limit contact. Wow. So it took 10 years of manipulation and dramatic scenes, all that stuff to finally be like, okay, you’re limited.I don’t even know if I’d want someone like that around my children knowing they’re gonna throw something or
Sara Margulis: It’s hard.
Yeah. It’s hard
Christa Innis: having
Sara Margulis: problematic grandparents. The kids figure it out though, you know, they make their own decisions. Like, eh, we don’t like hanging out with that person.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I feel like kids are so in tune to people. Mm-hmm. That they’re just like, they go with their gut for sure.
They’re not like adults where we can kind of like smile and be okay. They’re like, no, I don’t want. Yeah, yeah, exactly. so she just ends with saying, because peace is better than chaos and eventually boundaries have to be drawn, even if it takes a decade to get there. She then storms off again. I check on him. We get in the car and finally we drive off.
Still married, still heading to our honeymoon, but absolutely stunned. And sadly, this wasn’t the last of it over the past 10 years. Okay. So this was 10 years ago. Wow.
Sara Margulis: Oh my God. Noticed. This was 10 years ago.
Christa Innis: We’ve dealt with stunt after stunt, emotional manipulation, dramatic scenes, chaos at every family gathering.
But this was the first of many wild moments. She’s thrown our way. And finally, this year, for the sake of our children, we’ve made the decision to significantly limit contact. Wow. So it took 10 years of manipulation and dramatic scenes, all that stuff to finally be like, okay, you’re limited.I don’t even know if I’d want someone like that around my children knowing they’re gonna throw something or
Sara Margulis: It’s hard.
Yeah. It’s hard
Christa Innis: I should mention my parents aren’t together and the man my mother destroyed our family for, he was married. So this is like a cycle. Hmm.
Beth Hoffberg: Okay.
Christa Innis: my mom was the other woman for 10 years.
Beth Hoffberg: Oh wow.
Oh my
Christa Innis: Oh my
gosh. I just talked to a friend of mine that’s a therapist, and you might have seen this in your work too, but she, you might know the name of it. I can’t think of the name, but there’s like a study about like, looking at cycles of like trauma, trauma, intergenerational
Beth Hoffberg: cycles,
Christa Innis: intergenerational like trauma and stuff.
And she’s like. Like if there’s like cheating in a lineage, like it’s very common. Like if a mom was cheated on, maybe her mom was cheated on, it’s just like this interesting thing of like, you don’t think like, oh, because I was cheated on maybe my mom, you know, or whatever. Or she had breast cancer because she had this hap, you know, it’s just this interesting lineage.
Mm-hmm. You can see. So when I just saw that, that’s kinda what made me think of it as, I was like, oh, she’s kinda looking back and it’s like, oh, her mom was. In a relationship where a man was cheating.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. It sounds like the person at this, while she maybe didn’t have the awareness when she was going through it at where she’s writing to you right now, sounds like she does have a lot more awareness.
Copycat Rings and White Dresses
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. That’s what I’m getting to. That around Christmas that year, my sister came to visit and my mom was showing off new jewelry. It was basically my engagement ring
Beth Hoffberg: Oh, oh no.
Christa Innis: Oh, red
Beth Hoffberg: flag that I’m
Christa Innis: not okay
Beth Hoffberg: with that.
Christa Innis: This came outta left field. I thought this was be all about the guy.
same design, same setting. Only hers was yellow gold with yellowish diamonds instead of white. When I confronted her, she told me it was completely different and that I was being dramatic, but it wasn’t different. It was identical right down to the setting. I was furious.
Beth Hoffberg: I feel sorry for her.
Christa Innis: No, imagine like that’s your moment of like being so excited.
Obviously the relationship has its issues it’s toxic, but that aside, right? Yeah. She’s so excited and the mom’s like, you know what, I’m gonna go out and get myself the exact same.
Beth Hoffberg: And it was her custom design and everything. Like, how can you say it’s different if it’s like, oh, we both had, a single solitaire, like princess cut is the exact same.
Like, okay. But no, it sounds like this person created some whole special design, special setting, her own vision that she’s wanted since she was 16.
They had it custom made. Mm.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Beth Hoffberg: I don’t believe the mom,
Christa Innis: it’s a little interesting.
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. She
Christa Innis: said, I was furious. My sister immediately told her she should never wear it again because it was a blatant copy and incredibly rude.
Good for the sister.
Beth Hoffberg: Yes.
Christa Innis: My mom got angry and said she wouldn’t wear it on my day. Fast forward to about one or two months before my wedding planning was going pretty well until my mom showed me what she was planning to wear. Here we go. Wait, and I didn’t notice. So it says the mom. okay, so the mom destroyed her family, so I’m guessing she was also married, cheated with this man who was also married.
Right. Sounds like they were both married because she said, my mom just started her marriage for 10 years, meaning that she never got married to this man. what my intuition is saying, she’s jealous now that her daughter’s getting married to this man, which she is been the other woman all these years, right?
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah.
Christa Innis: it says, I go to her house and she proudly pulls out a garment bag, a white garment bag inside was a white gown. Just when I think
Beth Hoffberg: she knows exactly what she is doing, she knows exactly what she is doing.
Christa Innis: No one is that naive to be
Beth Hoffberg: like,
Christa Innis: oh, you can’t wear, you can’t wear a white dress to your daughter’s wedding.
What? my ring’s different. What her excuse was, you’re doing a black and white wedding. What color am I supposed to wear?
Beth Hoffberg: Oh my God,
Christa Innis: my sister and I immediately shut it down and forced her to find something else. The disappointing part. The next dress she chose was literally the same dress my stepmom had already purchased.
Thankfully my stepmom is an angel and just picked another dress without making it a thing. That is an angel.
Beth Hoffberg: I’m glad this person has her sister, her stepmom, like people in her corner who seem to get it. Her mom is a problem for sure.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah. You need those people to like not add more gasoline to the fire like she was saying earlier.
Mm-hmm. Just to kind of be like, and I know some people get mad in the story sometimes when I’m like you can keep the peace, like it’s protecting your boundaries in some ways. Right? Keeping the peace doesn’t necessarily mean you’re hurting yourself. It just means like. Not igniting more, because I think there’s some people that thrive off the drama.
Mm-hmm. And they want to start more drama, you know? So I feel like they were very smart about like, you know what? We’re not gonna even bring it to her attention. Let’s just change the dress. You know?
Beth Hoffberg: Yeah. Or the bride could have gone to the stepmom being like really upset, and the stepmom being like, I don’t care enough.
I wanna solve this problem for you. The way that I wanna solve it is by getting a different dress and not engaging with your mom, and then take this off your plate. So it’s like up to the stepmom to make that decision to brag just out of it. And that’s like, those are the people you need when you’re.
Going through stuff like this?
Christa Innis: Yeah, 100%.
The ceremony was beautiful. While photos were being taken, I showed the mother of the bride the reception room. So it’s weird. Everything’s just like going as normal even though they Yeah. We’re just like
Kendra Matthies: going forward. Even though nobody was confirming anything. Okay. Yeah. Alright.
Motherly Discount Schemes
Christa Innis: Immediately she began tearing it apart.
The mother of the bride tearing apart the reception room. The linen colors were wrong. The tables were too far from the windows where a large buffet had been set up overlooking the golf course. The dance floor was too large. Even though most guests danced at their tables, the cake was missing a tier and it was crooked.
Or she’s saying it wasn’t. These are all the things that the mother of the the bride was saying. Okay. And it was crooked. It wasn’t, the lighting was too dim and felt solemn. The servers were dressed too formally One server hunched too much. She didn’t like my dress. She’s
Kendra Matthies: talking to the,
your server has bad posture, okay?
I get being upset in certain things, and we’ll hear more story. I understand. Okay. don’t, what if that person has a back issue? You dunno. Why are we going after the servers themselves? Like, that’s kind of crazy to me. It’s wild. That’s wild. Okay.
Christa Innis: Yes. You don’t know anything about this person. Yeah.
What in the world make that comment? they’re doing their jobs, aren’t they? They’re, they’re like helping. Right. Like, oh my God. then to say she didn’t like her dress, the person doing it, she’s saying she didn’t like my dress. It clashed. So the person that sent in this email that runs these letters?
Yeah. Can you imagine? I’d be like, okay. Like, sorry. Right.
Kendra Matthies: That’s what I chose to wear. That’s wild. Okay. Bizarre.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. The flowers were too sparse. there were too many ribbons. She was irate. I was completely dumbfounded. And that’s a problem too. Well, I mean it’s, there’s so many problems with this, right?
Thinking that she has some power coming in. It’s like she’s not the client. Yeah. But it weird that she, they just stopped hearing from the bride and groom and then the uncle just comes in.
Kendra Matthies: Right. And it’s weird to me too, that, weddings that I’ve been to my wedding, we very much discussed like what the layout was going to be, how things were gonna look.
And I know that they said, we did let them know that the linens wouldn’t be able to be the same because of whatever. So they were aware of that. Maybe this mom isn’t aware of the change. Okay. But also who are you? Like, I get you’re the mom, but you’re also like not the deciding factor.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I feel like it was something where. The mom wasn’t as involved as she wanted to be or something.
Kendra Matthies: Yeah.
Christa Innis: And it sounds like, like the person that wrote this, I always say it’s a little biased ’cause she’s the one that sent it to us. Right. So I’m like hearing her perspective, but I’m like, sounds like she knows what she’s talking about.
She’s done all these weddings and events before. Right. So I’m sure they’re following the contract, following the plan. The mom’s, she’s like, I don’t like this. This is not what I envisioned. Or she’s embarrassed because she wants her family to see something different. Or I,
Kendra Matthies: that’s just so, it’s so silly to me too because let’s say all of these things are the genuine, the bride comes in and ends up saying the exact same thing.
Where have you been? You haven’t like been communicating with us to like even know, maybe the original discussion was that there were gonna be this many ribbons, or maybe the discussion was that the flowers were gonna be how they’re gonna be if you’re not having. ‘ cause it’s sounding to me like the venue is providing most, if not all of the setup.
So it’s not like they’re having to coordinate multiple different vendors. It’s sounding like it is the venue that’s doing this. So how that communication between the couple and the venue itself got so lax. Mm-hmm. It is strange to me, like, yeah. Okay. I need to
Christa Innis: hear more. I need to Very on.
Okay. It says she stormed off and I went back to business as usual. This was a $16,000 wedding. Absolutely. All out.
Kendra Matthies: demolished the food. They ate it all. That’s what I’m gathering.
Christa Innis: shiny. Yeah. shiny Yeah. I’m like, okay, I was gonna pronounce that wrong. And all music continued, some dancing followed, and then the mother of the groom approached me. She said the food was awful. The servers were slow, people were spiking drinks at a dry wedding.
Apparently sneaking alcohol from another bar into the building. The dance floor was a slippery hazard. The linens were dry after people ate, or No? The linens were dirty after people ate. It didn’t take a genius to see where this was headed. The hints for a massive discount started shortly after.
Kendra Matthies: they don’t wanna pay. They don’t want to pay. They don’t want to pay. Hopefully they’ve already cashed that check, girl. And it didn’t bounce like this.
Christa Innis: What it’s for, the dirty or the Dirty Linens thing reminded me. I saw this thing where an influencer was trying to do something or she was getting free, something free money.
She was at a restaurant and she filmed the floor and was like the place was dirty. And then the owners came out and they were like, she was there right after like a 12 party or a 12 person party just got up and left and she filmed right under the table. So it’s just all about like if you’ve never worked in a restaurant or,
Kendra Matthies: yeah.
That’s wild to me. The linens are dirty. I mean, aren’t they there to like. Get used and like to protect like the tables and to like look nice. I mean, your wedding dress is gonna be dirty by the end of the night, like the bottom of it. You know, you’re using the item.
Christa Innis: Yes. That’s wild. And again, saying servers were slow, you’re gonna complain about that.
Kendra Matthies: That’s wild to me.
Family Feud vs Bride and Fiance That Saved the Day
Christa Innis: After two days of silence, we decided to travel with them to Belgium, where I grew up, to share the news with friends.
My brother and sister were happy at first, but within two weeks my sister started trying to seduce my fiance. What is this family? Okay, what?
Cliffnotes Gal: Okay, what’s up with the family now? Now I’m like,
Christa Innis: this is very odd. This is what, this is a
Cliffnotes Gal: real story.
Christa Innis: I tell you. Sometimes I read these stories and I’m like, this cannot be real.
Like,
Cliffnotes Gal: oh my gosh,
Christa Innis: some are just outrageous. But then I’ll post a story or like I’ll share, you know, story time. If people are like, this happened to me, this exact thing happened to me, and I’m like, I don’t think they’re as, I think they’re more common than we think. It’s wild. telling him that she was the better option.
We ended up staying for a month. I’d be out of there a month still after that, a
Cliffnotes Gal: month. Do they not work?
Christa Innis: I know they’re doing all this traveling, but then the mom was mad that they wanted Hawaii. Not enough money
Cliffnotes Gal: for Hawaii.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh my gosh. Not enough. Because it wasn’t a place she selected as a wife, right?
Yes.
Cliffnotes Gal: Right.
Christa Innis: We ended up staying for a month because my mother promised to pay for the wedding dress and booked appointments at bridal shops. I said, I didn’t wanna bring my sister, but I was manipulated into it with the whole family as family. Guilt trip. Yikes. at the first shop, the saleswoman told me my body wasn’t made for fitted dresses.
My gosh. After trying on 10 dresses, I hated and hearing nonstop comments from my sister and mother about how I looked fat. Why I would not be including well either of
them.
Cliffnotes Gal: That’s just toxic. You don’t even, they shouldn’t even be in the wedding.
Christa Innis: No. Or
Cliffnotes Gal: at the wedding.
Christa Innis: This is definitely a story where, I mean, I don’t know what happens, but, or it’d be like, let’s just elope.
Right. where does your family wanna go? Let’s,
Cliffnotes Gal: I would hope that the husband is saying like, look babe, let’s just go do this thing with just us.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yeah. The second someone starts making you feel bad, especially when it’s supposed to be like your day trying on dresses, feeling beautiful.
I’d be like, I’m done with this. I’ll go with a friend or go by myself later,
Cliffnotes Gal: a hundred percent.
Christa Innis: they were saying, or I showed too much skin or looked bad. I finally said I wanted to leave at the second shop. I found my dress within minutes and started crying. My father seemed completely unbothered and asked how I planned to pay for it.
I was confused and that’s when my mother said, they don’t have the 690 euro after all. So they get her excited, say they’re gonna pay for the dress she finds when they’re like, oh, we don’t have the money for it. And I wonder, wow. In 690, I mean, I’m trying to think of like the calculation, but.
That doesn’t seem very expensive for a dress, 690 Euros, because I think it’s like,
Cliffnotes Gal: I don’t know what the conversion rate is right now.
Christa Innis: I feel like it was pretty close, like when I was just in, I was in Spain a couple years ago and
Cliffnotes Gal: yeah, I mean, it seems like the price of like an average. I mean, I think my golly, my wedding dress back then was like $400, $500, something like that.
But man, this is just toxic.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Wild. she says, I ran outta the shop crying and went to the cafe where my fiance was waiting. I told him everything without hesitation. He marched into the store, bought the dress without seeing it, booked us a hotel and said we’d figure out everything ourselves.
Cliffnotes Gal: Love
Christa Innis: it. Yay.
Cliffnotes Gal: Good husband.
Christa Innis: Good man,
Cliffnotes Gal: good husband.
Christa Innis: Two days later, we returned to my parents’ house and my mother exploded. She was angry that we bought the dress without telling her. and said it was unfair because they never had a big wedding. So she’s now kept trying to control it because they didn’t have the wedding they wanted or something.
she also claimed my father never gave his blessing. My father agreed with her and said he could never trust anyone with his beloved daughter.
Cliffnotes Gal: A massive fight broke out and we ended up flying home. Once we were home, everyone there was happy for us, but my heart was breaking because my own family didn’t accept us.
Christa Innis: In January, my mom finally called and said she needed the wedding date and location so she could book time off or they wouldn’t come at all. My father is still refusing, wait, so this is happening right now? She said, my father,
Cliffnotes Gal: I was about to say like, this is now.
Christa Innis: Because sometimes people will like send a story and then they’ll be like, oh, that was 20 years ago.
We’re happily married. Yeah. So I wasn’t sure. But yeah, it says my father is still refusing to walk me down the aisle. if we have a wedding weekend, that’s the short version of part one. I’ll write a part two when you’re ready.
Cliffnotes Gal: Wait, I wanna know if the wedding happened yet.
Christa Innis: I know. I need to find out.
Cliffnotes Gal: And where are they located? Are they like in the us?
Christa Innis: I’m wondering if they’re in the US and then they traveled. They traveled to Belgium where they bought the dress.
Cliffnotes Gal: Damn. If old girl is like anywhere near me, within driving distance, she needs to invite me to the wedding and I will be there in a heartbeat.
And I’ll make sure her reception is a blast.
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh my gosh. That’d be so fun. We’re like, we’re coming here wedding.
Cliffnotes Gal: Yes. Yeah. I wanna know if it happened. Yeah. You need the part two.
Christa Innis: Yes. I know. I wasn’t expecting it for it to end like that. I feel like, I like the way this is going, in the way that her boundaries have been really good.
Like her boundaries are firm. Her fiance’s backing her up. ’cause I feel like in a lot of these stories, we don’t hear about the fiance or how he’s like supporting his wife, whether it’s a mother-in-law or not. and so I feel like it’s really good that she has him. And so I’m hoping like they stick firm on their boundaries and are either like, and the mom’s calling like, okay, when’s the date?
This is their chance to be like,
Cliffnotes Gal: no,
Christa Innis: you know, we’re not gonna give you the date
Cliffnotes Gal: No.
Christa Innis: And do our own thing.
Cliffnotes Gal: No, this sounds like as much as it sucks mom and dad, it doesn’t seem like it’s beneficial to have them in your adult life right now.
Christa Innis: Hey guys, welcome back. All right, so I hope you enjoyed that little trip down memory lane of some previous episodes. If you guys missed those full episodes, we do have them linked at the very bottom, so you can check it out. Now, I know for you guys it seems like a short little while, but for me, typically I record intros and outros all at the same time, but while that was all happening, we were dealing with a crazy storm here. So I’m recording using my hotspot, and, um, we’re out of power. So luckily it’s during the day at least, so, while we’re waiting for power to come back on and kind of figuring out next steps, the sun is shining, so we can be grateful for that. But it was very crazy here for a while. So as I promised, we are revisiting a dilemma from a couple weeks back. If you wanna follow along or go back to it, I believe it it was episode 73, and you can go back and listen to it and kinda see what we talked about. We also shared it on social media if people wanted to give their input. But this was essentially about a bride asking her friend to be the maid of honor, and it seemed like task after task she kinda just showed no interest. The only time she really showed interest was in, like, getting bridesmaids gifts. there was a birthday cake issue where she kinda dropped the ball and didn’t follow through. Most people were just saying swap her out. have your friend that kinda stepped up for the bachelorette party be your maid of honor, and so we gave a lot of tips, social media and whatnot. So she gave a little update, so I wanna read what she sent over. And see what’s going on this time. Listened to your advice today and really decided to back up and take her situation into further consideration. She’s in a very bad relationship right now. She’s a stay-at-home mom to a toddler, which is very stressful in its own right. Her toddler is my flower girl. I think it really boils down to me being a low-maintenance friend and her putting what energy she does have left over into her higher maintenance friendships, because I see her showing up for them and making time for them. I’ve taken a step back from the friendship and noticed that when I stop helping her out as much as… When I… I’ve taken a step back from this friendship and noticed that when I stop helping her out as much or reaching out, I start hearing from her less and less, which is pretty common. I have two kids, but I always made time to help whenever I could whent- when I could… Okay. I have two kids, but I always made time to help her whenever I could tell she was stressed, watching her kid, cleaning her house, et cetera. Meanwhile, this help was not reciprocated. I think we both are just not as good of friends as we were telling each other we were, and perhaps it would be best for that I think we are both just not as good of friends as we were telling each other, and that it perhaps would be the best for right now that we allow our friendship to change. I hope we grow closer again one day, but for right now, I’m uncomfortable with having a different relationship. We started hanging out a bit more recently, and I enjoy our relationship more without the expectations. I have other friends who I’ve gotten closer with. All in all, I think I’m happier already. I have not had the talk with her yet, and I’m honestly thinking a petty side of me knew she’d brag all day about our closeness and her being maid of honor, and that was a big driver for me to want to demote her. That being said, I currently think I will not change the wedding party title unless it’s brought up by her or the other friend that has stepped up and creates some tension. I really hope that taking the pressure off my maid of honor will allow us both to enjoy this whole thing a lot more. There is a sisterhood I really wanted to experience in this process of just having people excited for me and just generally being interested in what I’m planning, and I’m finding that more so in my other bridesmaids. I think some friends just aren’t wedding people For anyone curious, I got my bridesmaids custom cute canvas bag, baskets, and totes with their names on them, and I plan to fill them with various goodies. Going to need to look at some inspo. I plan on giving the friend who stepped up something special in hers as acknowledgement of how much I appreciate her. She’s also a baker and giving me a wedding cake, which she keeps refusing to let me pay for. I will update you on our bachelorette in August about how that goes because that is currently the last hurdle before the big day. Okay. I love this because I feel like it was very, like, emotionally intelligent. I think a lot of times, especially in our younger years, we wanna victimize ourselves and say like, “Well, they weren’t a good friend to me. They’re not stepping up to me. Why are they doing this to me?” And then as we get older or kind of as we step outside of it, we’re like, “Well, wait, have I always reached out to her,” or, “Are our friendships changing? Does she have a lot of other priorities?” And that’s okay. so I think this was really big of her. I’ve done similar things with friendships of mine, people that I’ve known for many years, some that I’ve known more recently that I’m like, ” I think I need to show up differently,” and, cause we kind of show up differently. Or you kind of realize, ” Oh, my gosh, this friend has shown up for me so many times, and I feel like I’ve dropped the ball. I need to stand up more with this person because I really care about them.” And I think it’s really good to kind of look inwardly of being like, “Okay, how can I show up better?” Or, “What am I capable of right now?” And it’s okay that she doesn’t wanna move the party around, and it’s okay that their friendship has kind of changed, and they’re kind of in this weird stage of like, okay, her friend has new friends. She has new friends. She’s kind of prioritizing other friends. And the person that wrote this in is kind of prioritizing her wedding, which is very common and completely expected, right? When you have this big event going, that’s kind of like your number one priority, and it can kind of cause us to have this tunnel vision of like, everything needs to fall in line with my wedding, without realizing, like, people have other responsibilities, other things going on in their life, and it’s sometimes hard to see that. So I think this was a really, intelligent and mature way of, like, looking at things. Like, I’m sure in her first email she was like, ” This really sucks. This friend sucks. She’s dropped the ball. I wanna move her, I, you know, I feel bad.” But now she’s like, “Wait a second” Have I been there for her just as much? Yes, maybe in different stages, but right now I’m low maintenance. Right now I’m like, “Okay, we have this connection, this string that’s holding us together, but I don’t have the time to maybe reach out to her as much.” so I love this decision. You don’t have to make any drastic decision right now. I think it’s great to do something a little extra, ’cause it sounds like this friend that’s stepping up for you is amazing and really wanting to help you out. so I think this is really great, and I think this is a good lesson for all kinds of people, no matter what stage you’re in, about how friendships change. And I made a video about this a while back about friendship breakups, and I think especially in our younger years, not saying it doesn’t hurt now, but especially in our younger years, we take it so personally and we’re like, “Oh my gosh, they’re the bad ones. They did this to me,” or, ” I ruined this friendship.” And we’re so quick to point, when in reality people change, circumstances change, priorities change, and that doesn’t make either of you good or bad people. It’s just happenstance, it- it’s life. there’s been friendships that I’ve had that I’m like, ” These are gonna last forever.” And then you kinda look back and you’re like, ” Oh, I haven’t seen them in months. I should probably follow up with them,” you know? and vice versa. Or like, they haven’t reached out to me. or I’m always the one that reaches out to them, you know? And you kinda have to, like what she says here, I thought she said a really, really awesome thing about, about, oh, I wanna find it, ’cause it was, it was said so beautifully about Hmm. Okay, here we go Okay. I think we both are just not as good of friends as we were telling each other, and that perhaps it would be best for the… It would be for the best that we allow our friendships that change. I hope we grow closer again one day, but for right now I am comfortable with having a different relationship. We’ve started hanging out more recently, and I enjoy our relationship more without the expectations. ‘ Cause sometimes we’re like, “Oh, we have to be best friends. We have to do everything together. We have to have this closeness right now at all times.” And we see someone online and we’re like, “We’re not doing it that way.” Or we see two of our best friends and we’re like, “We’re not doing it that way.” Or we see our friend being really close to another person and we’re like, “Wait a second. Are they closer? Like, am I a 📍 shitty friend?” Like, we kind of like go in this cycle of like how… are we dropping the ball? Are they dropping the ball? And I know I have this habit of like, if it’s a friend of mine and I see they’re getting really close to someone, I am, am so anti-competition where I just I let myself fade away. not like in a way where I don’t reach out, but more so like I’m like, ” Hey, girl, you have your time. Like, it’s fine. I’m not, I’m not competing for a friendship. Like, everyone should have their own friends.” I have this habit of doing that in the past of like, just letting them know like, ” Hey, it’s okay. Like, you can have whoever you want as your friend. I’m not gonna find issue to it.” So I think this was beautifully said about you’re comfortable having a different relationship. When you let go of certain expectations and understanding different relationships are gonna be different, I think that’s a beautiful thing. I’ve too experienced that where I felt like I was holding certain, friendships to a really high expectation. I’m like, “Oh, I’m reaching out all the time. I’m doing this all the time.” And then I’m like, “Wait a second.” we’re not meeting each other in the same spot. like two ships sailing. Like, something’s off. So really evaluating friendships I think is a really powerful thing. So if anyone else listening has more advice for her, I feel like she seems pretty confident in what she’s doing now. but if you guys are listening and you have a similar situation, whether it’s bridesmaid or not, wedding or not, if it’s a friendship, share the story. I would love to, share my take. Although, of course, I always say I’m not an expert, but I’ll give you my expert opinion. we’ve all had friendship breakups. We’ve had, friendship seasons, right? What do they say? Everybody’s in your life for a season, a reason, or a lifetime. And I think the more and more we get comfortable with that and understanding that every friendship’s not gonna stick forever, I think it’s, we could have more peace with it. All right, guys, as a reminder, I do dilemmas, every other episode or so, mostly on my solo episodes. So if you guys wanna send a dilemma of your own, you can send it to hello@christainnis.com you can also DM me on social media. Instagram’s probably the best way to do that. I just tend to see my DMs a little bit better there. The other platforms confuse me a little bit. All right, guys. Thanks for hanging out with me this time, and I will see you next week. Bye-bye.

Wedding Date Battles, Friendship Feuds, and Photographer Nightmares with Samantha Blake
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Christa Innis: Hi, Sam. Thank you for being here.
Samantha Blake: Of course. I’m happy to be here. I’m nervous a little bit, too.
Christa Innis: Don’t worry. I always tell people, I’m this is, a good, first podcast, Mm-hmm. We just, like, hang out. It’s nothing, I don’t know. I don’t consider myself super, like, professional when it comes to podcasts.
I’m just like, hang out and tell some wild stories, and I know you have your fair share. but before we get to that, can you kind of start talking about how you got into storytelling, and just a little bit about you?
The Love for Dramatic Story Telling
Samantha Blake: okay. I have been… I love telling stories. I think that I’m very, like, charismatic and over the top, and I’ve always been accused of being, like, dramatic, you know?
But it’s just because you have to put emphasis on things. Like, the story’s boring if somebody’s talking in monotone. so even from a young age, I would, like, write books, telling stories, all that stuff. The content creation portion of it came during, I don’t know, probably, like, the end of COVID, where I was just bored and I started telling stuff about, experiences as a bartender or as a server, and it kind of just, like, slowly built up.
And
Coldplay was doing a concert and then the couple was, I think… I might lose you. It says my Internet’s unstable, but it’s storming here.
Christa Innis: Okay. You froze for, like, a second, but now you’re back.
Samantha Blake: Okay. but when that whole thing with, like, the couple and the Coldplay jumbotron went viral-
Christa Innis: Yeah …
Samantha Blake: I posted a video just being like, as the wife of somebody married to the CEO,” right?
And I worded it in a way that people would think that I was also married to this man. I wasn’t, I was just talking about narcissists.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: That’s when it blew up and people just finally found my page and started following me and stuff. But, I do it for fun. I do it as, like, a little side gig.
Just something where people write in and they tell me their crazy stories and I tell them, so.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And you talk about working- Yeah … in the restaurant industry. I worked in the restaurant industry years ago when I was in college, and I think my, first job ever when I was 16 was in the restaurant industry.
I feel like that alone you could probably tell stories for, like, days on end. Forever. … people are wild in the rest- like, you have to deal with so much working-
Samantha Blake: Yes … in a restaurant. Yeah. And that’s like, it’s so funny to me ’cause people are like, “This isn’t real. It’s gotta be made up.”
And I’m like, ” No.” Like, “This person really did throw their coffee at me while I was pregnant.” Like, these are real stories. Oh
Christa Innis: my gosh. People are crazy. Do you tell a lot of your own stories or do you get, like, a mix of, your stories and then people send you stories?
Samantha Blake: mostly my own. I won’t lie, I’m running out, because, yes,
I just turned 39 the other day, and I started working in the industry when I was 15, so forever essentially. Mm-hmm. So a lot of them are my own. maybe about 25% come from followers, and then the rest are just mine. Or, I’ll write stories, and then I’ll, hashtag skit so people know that it’s made up.
Christa Innis: Yeah. But- Oh my gosh …
Samantha Blake: yep.
Christa Innis: It’s funny, we were just talking about before recording how, like, we’ll post a story and people are like, “There’s no way this could happen,” you know? And, like, wondering, like, if we know it’s true. And I always like to say, too, it’s like when someone sends in a story, you’re only getting, like, their perspective.
So it’s like-
Samantha Blake: Mm-hmm …
Christa Innis: I could go to the store and a woman could look at me, and in my mind I’m like, “Oh, she’s giving me a weird look.” But then in that lady’s mind, she’s like, “Oh, well, that woman’s looking at me…” You know, like, everyone has their own perspective-
Samantha Blake: Yeah …
Christa Innis: of, like, based on their own experience or how their day is going.
Yeah. So I’m like, if we get a story from a bride, she could tell us, you know, ” Oh, all these people were horrible to me.” But then we could get a story from, someone was at the wedding and they’re like, “No, this bride was super weird.”
Samantha Blake: Yeah.
Christa Innis: So- Yeah … I feel like we always have to take with a grain of salt when we get stories and when we share them, ’cause it’s like, yeah, there’s truth to every story, but there’s also, like, some exaggeration or something-
Samantha Blake: Yeah
Christa Innis: good, making it a more interesting story of course. But yeah, it’s just interesting.
Samantha Blake: But that’s the fun of it all- Mm … in my opinion, ’cause, like, you can hear the story where the bride was awful, and maybe she wasn’t that bad, but maybe to some people she was.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: So I like the more, exciting stories.
Like, if that bride was crazy and she was cussing people out, I’m gonna tell it in that version. Like- Yes … I’m gonna cuss with everyone else too.
Christa Innis: Exactly, yes. you had someone throw a cup of coffee at you when you were pregnant. Working?
Samantha Blake: Yes. Okay, so I had gone in,
Do you have kids?
Christa Innis: Yeah, I do. I have one toddler. Yep.
Samantha Blake: You know how they do the glucose testing and you have to drink the orange, like, ugh?
Christa Innis: Yes.
Motherships and Strangers
Samantha Blake: So I failed my glucose test, so then I had to go in for a three-hour one. And when you go in for a three-hour one, they poke you every- They do that too … I think it’s, like, every hour or something.
Yeah. Yes. So, yeah. So then I had to go in for that, and I have, there are, like, surface veins, and they roll really easily, so when they try to poke me they’re boiling veins. I’ll leave a room, this is graphic, but it looks like a CSI crime scene ‘I’m just, like, bleeding everywhere. Mm-hmm. So I’ll bruise horrifically. And I was at work the following day, and this lady, I was taking her coffee order, and I rolled up my sleeve ’cause it was hot, and she saw my bruises. And she grabs my wrist and pulls my arm towards her, and she’s like, “No, no, no, honey. You can’t be doing this, not when you have God’s gift growing in your belly,” and all this stuff.
And I’m confused what she’s talking about. Mm. And then I looked down at my arm and I notice she’s talking about my bruises. And there are two paths I could have taken. One could have been, “Hey, no, that’s actually from blood work,” and then the other is, ” Okay, you’re gonna assume that I’m using- Right so I’m gonna play up on that.”
So I was like, “Oh, it’s the only way I can forget how horrible my husband is to me,” and all this stuff, and just playing along with it because you’re being judgemental in my opinion. Yeah. So you’re gonna learn a lesson really quick.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: I bring her out. She’s like, “I’m gonna pray for you,” and, “God loves you,” all this stuff.
And my coworker calls out her coffee and she hands it over, and the lady’s like, “Oh, please take care of Samantha over there. she needs help and she needs somebody who’s gonna bring her to rehab,” all this stuff, like, going off. And my coworker, her name’s Amanda, Amanda’s like, ” Sam?” Like, “Oh, no, she had blood work done yesterday.
that girl could not get blood drawn to save her life. She bruises like crazy.” This woman’s personality switched like that. She was just like, ” F you.” Like- Oh … “What a horrible person I am.” And I’m sitting there, I’m like, ” You assumed.” Mm. You’re the one. Like, I just kind of… Right. This is your fault. And she ended up throwing her hot coffee at me-
like, while yelling at me about the fact that I shouldn’t have made her feel that way. I should have let her know immediately- Oh my- … that it wasn’t. I was like, ” you should have just known that’s what it was.”
Christa Innis: And why was that her first thought?
Samantha Blake: Like- I don’t know. That-
Christa Innis: go, I’m like, it-
is a wild assumption.
I would never see that on someone’s arm and be like, “Oh my gosh, they must be using.” that would- Right … never be my first thought.
Samantha Blake: Mm-mm.
Christa Innis: And so-
Samantha Blake: No, and even if it was, I don’t think I would say it
Christa Innis: And I would ne- yes, I would not say… But, like, in general too, I was just talking to someone about how people, when you’re pregnant and when you have kids, the things they say that’s just like- Maybe not.
Like, no joke Mm-hmm … this just happened yesterday. I was outside the library with a friend of mine, and our daughters are around the same age. They’re just running in the yard, whatever. This older couple is walking by, and this lady turns and she goes, “Oh, there’s her mother.” She’s like, “I thought she was alone for a second.
I got excited.” No joke, said, “I got excited. I thought she was alone.” Oh, really? Yes, ’cause we’re standing there talking and our kids are, like, kinda up in the field. and my friend just kinda, like, looked, and she just smiled. She’s like, “Yeah, she likes running off.” And then she walked away, and I go, “What?
What did she just say?” And she’s like, ” I didn’t know how to respond to it ’cause it happened so quickly.” Mm-hmm. And then this older- they’re walking by, and they keep looking over at her. not like I think they’re actually gonna do something, but why say something so… Like, you’re gonna kidnap her because she was 11?
Samantha Blake: Like- Right. What does I got excited mean?
Christa Innis: Like, it was
Samantha Blake: the weirdest thing. Oh, kids are so freaking weird.
Christa Innis: Yes. So weird. I
Samantha Blake: when I was, super pregnant, like, 800 years essentially is what it felt like-
Christa Innis: Yeah …
Samantha Blake: I was at the grocery store with my dad, and this lady came up and she starts rubbing my belly.
That’s another thing I don’t understand- No … is like, this is still my body. Like, you can’t- Yeah … just touch it because there’s a baby in there.
Christa Innis: It’s such a weird concept. And- Yeah …
Samantha Blake: it is. And she’s, like, rubbing my belly, and She looks at my dad, “Oh, you must be so excited. You must be so excited for this baby.”
Again, two paths I could choose. One, I could say, this is my dad, or two, I could play up on this. And I’ve worked on it. I didn’t have a verbal filter when this was happening. I was only 21. And I was like, “Yeah.” But I’m like, “I just don’t know if I get to be the mom or the sister this time.” And she goes on, I’m like, “This is my dad.”
And she lost it on me. Like, “I can’t believe that you wouldn’t tell me this is your dad.” I’m like, “I can’t believe you came up here touching my belly and then just assumed that this 50-year-old man I’m with is, is the dad.” Like, it’s so weird to me the things that people just say.
I just look younger for my age. I don’t know if that’s the case now, but when I was 21, I definitely didn’t look 21. So when I had my son, everybody’s like, ” Oh, you must be the babysitter. You must be the nanny.” I’m like, “No, this is my kid.” And there was a time where I was grocery shopping and he was in the cart, like, I don’t know, from me, two feet away, and I was grabbing something off of one of the bottom shelves.
This woman starts freaking out. ” Where is this kid’s mother? He’s here alone.” He’s, like, maybe eight or nine months, and she’s, ” Where is…” And I’m like, again, I could say That’s my baby,” or I could go off with this. And I was just like, “Oh my God. Somebody left their baby here unattended.” And this woman and I walked around the, grocery store looking for the mother of this baby until
Until he ran into my mom, ’cause I was grocery shopping with my mom, and she’s like, ” Samantha Anne, you tell this woman right now that this is your son, and stop it.” Oh. She got mad at me too, but I don’t know. I’m a firm believer that if you’re gonna make stupid assumptions, I’m just gonna play along, and-
Christa Innis: That’s kind of-
Samantha Blake: you’re gonna leave feeling dumb … a
Christa Innis: good idea. See, I would… And that, it’s funny. I was saying to my friend yesterday, I always, like, when things happen, after the fact, I’m thinking of all these things I could have said or done. In the moment- Mm-hmm … I’m so bad about, thinking quickly. ‘ Cause I would- Mm-hmm
always have the, comment of, like, ” Are you sure it’s not twins? You sure it’s not twins?”
Samantha Blake:
Christa Innis: I had, like, close, family members that would say it here and there, but I’d just, like, let it slide. But then I remember getting my, pedicure, the week before. I was 10 days past my due date.
Samantha Blake: That’s horrible …
Christa Innis: yeah, and they were like, “No, you’re definitely having twins. Like, you’re huge. You’re definitely having twins.” And I’m like, I’m short. I got a short torso. I assumed I was gonna get pretty, big, but it’s just wild the things that people will say.
And they’re like, “No, there’s has to be twins in there.” Yeah. And I was like, “Well, I guess if I have two, I’ll be double the joy in there. I don’t know.” Right. But I’m like, They’ve checked multiple times. I’m pretty sure it’s just
Samantha Blake: I don’t understand, the audacity.
I’m like, where are people finding all of this?
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: You know what I… Like, where do you find the audacity that you have? I need to know. I need some more.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: So
Christa Innis: I don’t know if I have, like, RBF or something, Luckily, I never had anyone come up… I think one time I had someone come up and touch my daughter’s foot when she was really little, and I kind of just, like, moved the stroller.
I’m like, “Hey.” But for the most part, I got no one that I didn’t know touch, my belly. Mm-hmm. And I’m like, I don’t know if I was just like, don’t come near me.” ‘ Cause I don’t know, it is such a weird thing that people just feel okay to touch someone else’s body. Yeah.
Like, that’s just so odd to me.
Samantha Blake: I always say it’s probably where I grew up, because, my hometown, it was questionable where we grew up. So-
even, like, when I tell the stories about the restaurants and the bars, people are like, ” That’s not true.” I’m like, Go visit, okay?
And then you’re gonna see it is true.” Like-
Christa Innis: Yeah …
Samantha Blake: but I don’t know.
Christa Innis: So you said when you, started to go viral when you shared p- pretending to be like Coldplay,
Samantha Blake: Yeah …
Christa Innis: debacle, the wife of the CEO.
Samantha Blake: yeah. It was just the way… I, did, like, a little, wording. I said, “As somebody who was married to the CEO of whatever.”
Yeah.actually, you know what? I said just the CEO. ” As somebody who was married to the CEO, kudos to her for getting out.” Something like… Or, “Coldplay did her a favor.”
Christa Innis: Yes.
Samantha Blake: So this was a year ago. And I had been making content for a while, but never with the intent to actually have a following and, I would just talk about my time at the gym.
It was more like a diary than anything. And then maybe a few- Mid-July, ’cause I posted it on my birthday too, so it was July 18th of last year-
Christa Innis: Funny …
Samantha Blake: that I posted the whole Coldplay thing. But maybe, like, end of June, early July, I started using the format that I do now, where I’m just talking to my camera, telling stories. but that one with the Coldplay, I think I got, 10,000 followers off of it. It was just a quick little two-second thing. I took my camera, set it up on my car, so it was just me, for a quick second showing my face. And It was so funny, because people were like, ” You weren’t really married to the CEO.
Like, you weren’t his real life, or his real wife.” And I’m like, ” I know
Christa Innis: this,” like. But- Some people do not get satire, no matter how much you put- Mm-hmm … hashtag satire, this is satire, like anything. ‘ Cause I even did, you know that, like, current trend where it’s, five things worth the money?
Samantha Blake: Yes. And someone- I saw your video.
Christa Innis: Did y- Okay. Yeah, where I just, like, for anyone listening that hasn’t seen it, it’s like, “Oh, it’d be so funny ‘Cause I’ve seen a s- few influencers do it, where it’s, like, so out of touch. Yeah. Like, they’re like, ” Oh, this…” And I’m like, The things they mention cost thousands of dollars.
That’s not relatable to people. So I was like, “Oh, it’d be really funny to do it as, like, an out-of-touch bride,” and I just had a bride story about this bridezilla that wants, these outrageous things. So I was like, “Oh, it’d be really funny just to, like, Oh, a helicopter ride to your reception.'”
And I had people that were like, You know what? You’re focusing way too much on things that don’t matter. You should focus on the marriage.” And someone else was like, “This is just ridiculous.” And I had to reply, I was like, “This is satire. I-
Samantha Blake: Yeah … don’t
Christa Innis: recommend any of these things.” Yeah.
“I can’t afford any of these things.” so it was just kind of funny how, like, people take things very seriously when it comes before reading the caption or just, “Wait a second, would someone actually come on and say you should do this?” I don’t know.
Samantha Blake: Right.
Yeah. And it’s like I’m sure that you probably have followers who are like, “Hey, this is actually just a joke. this isn’t something she believes,” and stuff like that, and they comment back for you in a way.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: I’ve found that upsets the original commenter more.
Christa Innis: Yes. I have noticed that.
it doesn’t make sense to me, ’cause, somebody will be like, There’s no way this story is real,” and it will be some crazy thing. I’ll hashtag the word skit or story time or something like that and it’s, like, known on my page that’s a fake story.
Samantha Blake: and they’ll be like, “This isn’t real.
There’s no way.” And they’re going off on me about, I don’t know, they’ll just name call or say something stupid. And then people, like my original followers, will be like, ” Actually, she hashtagged the word skit And then they’re mean back, and I’m like, ” We’re not gonna be mean to each other.
we’re just gonna delete these comments.” I feel like a moderator for my comments section sometimes. Yeah. And I just don’t wanna deal with it. … my page, I want it to be, like, happy and fun. I don’t want people being mean to each other. Yeah. So I’m always, like, removing stuff where people are being mean or commenting negatively.
Christa Innis: I was just gonna say that. ‘Cause sometimes I’m, like, the mom in the comments or, like, the moderator, too, ’cause, there was one time where someone commented something, and I don’t think they meant harm by it. They were just like, “Wait a second.” And I felt like people were, like, dog piling on them. So then I went in- Oh
and I was like, “Oh, I totally understand what you meant here.” ‘ Cause I felt bad. I was like… ‘Cause you could tell then she was, like, trying to, like, ” No, I didn’t mean it like that.” ‘Cause I think she was, like- Yeah … trying to play into the satire or something. And I was like, “Hey, guys. It’s all good here. We’re f- just having fun.
Like- Yeah … it’s not
Samantha Blake: that serious.”
Christa Innis: You know? Like, why are we getting mad at people in the comments?
Samantha Blake: Right. And on top of that, I feel like if people follow you enough, they understand that you have a personality and that you wouldn’t appreciate somebody being mean- Yeah … on your behalf.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: You know what I mean? Exactly.
But- Yeah … but anyway, yeah.
Christa Innis: But I have to say, you have such a, captivating way of telling stories. I remember the first, like- Oh, thank you … time I saw your video, like, do you memorize these stories or do you kind of just, like, go with the flow and see what happens?
you just pull people in. Like, it’s almost, mid-sentence. So then people are like, “Oh my gosh- Yeah … what is she gonna say?” and you, speak at such a good pace, where I feel people are like, “I don’t wanna miss anything.” You just do such a good job of, like- Oh, well-
telling these stories.
Samantha Blake: I appreciate that. You’re making me blush over here.
Christa Innis: So do you, like-
Samantha Blake: I, um- …
Christa Innis: do you practice what’s, your, set up for doing that?
Samantha Blake: So I’ll wake up in the morning and I’ll go have coffee with my partner and I’ll be like, “This is the story I’m gonna tell.” And I’ll, tell him in detail, so that way it’s kind of, like, in my brain all the key points that I want to have- like, in my story. there are some of them where I’ll put the bloopers at the end, ‘ cause I try, doing it all in one take. I hate pausing it. I hate doing all of that. But I’ll get through, half of a story, like 30 seconds in, and I’ll be like, “I really hate the way I sound right now.”
Restart the video. Or I’ll get the full way through the story and be like, “I just feel like I wasn’t energetic enough. I feel like I didn’t emphasize these points enough.” And it usually takes about one to two takes for me to get it all the way through to the point where I really enjoy it myself. if I were to see it, I’d be like, “Okay, cool.
I’m stopping to watch this.” the story I posted, the bride one that you messaged me about-
Christa Innis: Yeah …
Samantha Blake: that was my first take on that one. But it was easy because I had the email pulled up on my screen to read. and then the one I told today, I, posted one right before hopping on this, that one I just did in the one take ‘ cause I was like, boom, I knew it.
Because once I read the story, I was like, there’s no fricking way this happened. But I had to get through it so that I could be like… My genuine reaction to reading it I would’ve gone to jail. Like, if this were like me, I would’ve gone to jail.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Okay. So I know you said before coming on that you had a story that you wanted to share.
You get tons of stories. so let’s just jump into that story you wanted to share.
Samantha Blake: which one? The photography one?
Christa Innis: Yeah, let’s do the photography one.
Wedding Photography Nightmares
Samantha Blake: okay. So feel free to stop me and ask any questions and- Okay … just because I’m sure that there are gonna be parts where you need clarifying. I had a couple contact me.
They lived three hours from me, and they wanted me to do their engagement photos. They came to me to do their engagement photos. They loved them. They hired me as their wedding photographer. So they wanted me at their wedding area. am I frozen?
Christa Innis: You’re kind of freezing right now, yeah.
Samantha Blake: Yeah. I’m stopping.
Christa Innis: Okay. You’re back now.
Samantha Blake: It’s storming here so bad. I had a feeling this was gonna happen with, the internet and stuff, so I’m sorry.
Christa Innis: No, it’s okay. But- Ours is the same way anytime it storms.
Samantha Blake: Yeah. so they hired me to do their wedding, and we signed a contract to be there from 8:00 AM to 9:00 PM.
and again, three hours away, so I wake up at, like, 4:00 AM, drive there, start the whole, taking photos of the bride getting ready, the groom getting ready. It’s just craziness. At the reception, I ended up staying until 11, because it was just such a fun wedding, and I loved the bride. She was so sweet, so kind.
Same for the groom. He was, very chill, down to earth. at 11:00 PM I couldn’t find the bride. I could only find the maid of honor, and I let her know, like, “Hey, I’m wrapping it up. I gotta go. Like, I have all the photos I need.” ‘Cause at this point people are just drunk and dancing.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: There’s not much you can capture in these moments.
and she’s like, “No, no, no.” Like, “She wanted to talk to you really quick. Let me go find her.” So the bride comes over and she’s like, “We just want you to stay for a couple more hours.” And she’s like, “We’ll pay you extra, and we’ll pay for a hotel room, so you can spend the night. You don’t have to drive home.”
So I quickly revised a quick little contract for an extra two hours, had her sign it. she said she was gonna pay me the two-hour fee and then do a hotel room. At 1:00 AM I leave, and I decide I don’t actually wanna spend the night. I just wanna go home to my family, wake up with my family, not have to deal with this.
It was, 8:00 o’clock in the morning, the bride calls me. She’s like, “Hey, we’re all down in the lobby. Can you come down here with your equipment and meet us so that you can take pictures of my husband and I because it’s our first day married?” And I’m like, no, because I’m home. I’m three hours away now.”
She, like, started yelling at me, cussing me out, demanding a money back. she didn’t even pay me yet. She, we just signed a contract that she was gonna pay me extra. Demanding that I give her the two-hour fee back, demanding the, extra money for the hotel room back, and I was like, “I’m so confused what’s going on.”
She’s like, “Well, we got you a hotel room so that you could be here in the morning to take photos of all of us.” it wasn’t specified that if she had been like, “Hey, we’re gonna pay you for a hotel room and then give you extra so you can come down in the morning”-
Christa Innis: Yeah … sure.
Samantha Blake: I would’ve put that in the contract.
But she lost her ever-loving mind. The maid of honor kept calling and texting and calling and texting because she was so pissed off. She couldn’t believe that I left. Like, how dare you? And I had a baby at home. I think my son was, like, maybe a year at this point. Like, I didn’t wanna stay-
Christa Innis: Yeah …
Samantha Blake: three hours away.
But yeah, it was bad. It was to the point where, my lawyer was involved, and my lawyer was trying to get a, restraining order. so the cops were gonna be involved to get the maid of honor to stop contacting me.
Christa Innis: ‘
Samantha Blake: Cause I had, my work line and she had my personal number, and she was calling me.
It’s wild that she just flipped from, like, super nice, super kind bride, and then was like, “Wait, Cause that doesn’t even make sense. I would never think that all of a sudden, they own your time then. It’s like- No … no, you paid for two more hours at night, not anything- Mm-hmm
Christa Innis: in the morning, and just because you got a hotel room from me doesn’t mean you, again… cause it’s like, what? If you stayed in the hotel room at 3:00 in the morning, does that mean she could call you to take photos at 3:00 in the morning? that doesn’t even make sense.
Samantha Blake: Didn’t make sense.
And I will say they tried to contact me to do their maternity photos. Like, two years later. I was like, “No.”
Christa Innis: No,
Samantha Blake: I don’t wanna deal with the hormonal you. What? I said I don’t wanna deal with, like, a hormonal version of her. Like,
Christa Innis: No. And wouldn’t she think, that’s weird?
after how she- Fine … treated you
Samantha Blake: You would think
Christa Innis: Yeah But- But I also wouldn’t show up for something like that, ’cause what if it was, her just to, like, yell at you or be like, “Try to get for free”?
Samantha Blake: Oh, for sure. “
Christa Innis: Oh, you owe me for my wedding.”
Samantha Blake: Yeah.
people are wild.
the things that, even within the wedding photography that I’ve experienced, like the moms of the brides, you would think the bride would be the worst, but it’s actually the moms- Mm-hmm … that are the worst, and it’s like I had one mom, She had me sit with her. So it was, like, the bride’s mom and dad, and then the groom’s mom and dad, and then the grandparents.
I’m a photographer. I usually just sit over in a corner if I’m eating something or taking a drink. I’m not with people.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: And she had me sit at the table with them, and she would, like, bark demands at me. Like, ” Go take a, go take photos of Uncle Tim,” and who the fuck is Uncle Tim? I don’t even know who Uncle Tim is.
I’m not a part of your family. I don’t know- Yeah … what’s going on. And the, same mom would, like, pick up my camera and start going through the photos. No. And be like, I don’t like this one. You need to redo it. go get this.” And like, they were children, I think they were, like, 18 or 19, so they’re absolutely, like, shit-faced, and they’re like, ” Get them together and take photos of them all.”
And she’s yelling at me and cussing me out, and I’m like, “First of all, stop touching my stuff.”
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: Second, the, the bride didn’t even want me taking photos. She literally, the bride, I’m gonna call her Allie. She’s like, “Can you please just leave me alone? Like, let my mother know that I’m done with photos.
I don’t want any more. Just leave me alone.” But I’m like, “Okay.” Yeah.
Christa Innis: That’s
Samantha Blake: wild,
Christa Innis:
Samantha Blake: Yeah …
Christa Innis: I don’t even get that, because it’s like you are interrupting, what the photographer does for their business, for their job. Mm-hmm. And like you’re trying to, like, overstep as if, they don’t know what they’re doing, and it’s like you’re actually just making it worse and,
just trust that they know what they’re doing. I don’t know. Yeah. I don’t get that.
Samantha Blake: Yeah.
Christa Innis: That’s-
Samantha Blake: Leave them alone. I will say, that was my very first ever wedding, and I told them repetitively. I didn’t even wanna do it. I had done their engagement photos, the mom loved the engagement photos, so she wanted me to do the wedding.
And I was like, I don’t do indoor photography. You don’t want me doing this.” Yeah. Like, “Don’t hire me.” And, it went back to wanting an expensive wedding, but a cheap photographer.
Christa Innis: Mm.
Samantha Blake: So since I had never done a wedding, I didn’t know what to charge her. And she’s like, “I’ll give you $500 for two hours.”
And I’m like, “Okay, whatever.” She calls me at 8:00 AM the morning of the wedding, yelling at me, asking where I am, why I’m not there yet to take pictures of everybody. And I’m thinking to myself, like, “You hired me for the ceremony. You didn’t hire me for all day.”
Christa Innis: Getting ready.
Samantha Blake: And I ended up being with them from probably 9:00 AM till, I wanna say, 9:00 PM, when I finally was like, ” I’m leaving.
I am so done with this. I can’t do it anymore.” But-
Christa Innis: So do they only pay you for two hours, but then they wanted you extra time?
Yeah. And then I ended up giving them the money back, and I had to get a restraining order against the mom. And my, lawyer had to-
Samantha Blake: Yeah
Christa Innis: What?
Samantha Blake: she was wild, because the mom lost her shit.
So, am I allowed to swear? I don’t know if you have, You’re fine. You’re fine, yeah. Edit that out. Okay. she hired me for the wedding. I, even in the contract, I said, I’m not a wedding photographer. I’ve never done this.” You don’t want me,” is essentially, like, what I kept saying.
Christa Innis: And she was like, “No, what my sweet daughter wants, my sweet daughter gets.”
Samantha Blake: It was awful. And after all was said and done, because the bride and groom were like, “No, we’re done,” like, “You don’t need to take any more photos.” it was like this, like the doom and gloom outside. It was so dark, and when I get to where the ceremony was, the priest, pastor, Father, whatever it was, came up to me and he’s like, “No flash and no external light in here.”
“You can’t use anything. You just have to use natural lighting.” Oh. And it’s, like, one of those, dark buildings with, like, the big, tall painted windows, and the chandeliers are- Mm … nine million feet in the air. There’s no light for me to work with, and I told the mom right then and there, “These photos are not gonna look good.
I can’t use the lighting, and I don’t have enough light coming in.” And she was just like, “Oh, no. We love you. We love your work.” that flip again, where they love you so much while you’re, like, kissing ass, trying to be nice, and trying to be patient, and the moment you stand up for yourself, they’re like, “Oh, we don’t like you anymore.”
Yeah. it was like that. I wanna say it was a solid year of being harassed by this mother before I finally, got the cops involved and had to have a restraining order against her. What
Christa Innis: was she trying to like… She just kept, bugging you for more stuff? Or just trying to like-
Samantha Blake: Well, as, like, a thank you to the couple, I did photo books.
Like, I printed photo books, and it wasn’t a part of the contract. It wasn’t anything that we agreed on. I just, as a gift to the couple-
Christa Innis: Yeah …
Samantha Blake: I printed a photo book, and I put a photo of them kissing at the altar, just really cute photos throughout, little quotes about love, all this stuff.
The mom contacted me, and she didn’t like the cover image I chose.
She didn’t like the big pictures I chose. she wanted me to put, inserts from their vows and I’m like, “This was just, like, a gift.” Yeah. Like, this is a free gift. Make
Christa Innis: your own if you don’t like it.
Samantha Blake: Right. Right. God. So then, she was mad about how warm and grainy the photos of the ceremony were.
there’s no way around it. the photo’s gonna have, like, that pixelated texture look to it- Yeah … because of how dark it is. my camera’s trying to absorb light, which is gonna cause a yellow, grainy-ish look, especially with, the stained glass. she was like, “You need to edit this.
You need to change this. This is the photo I want for the layout.” And just as, like, a way to appease her, ’cause at this point, I do outdoor photography, and I don’t want something indoor to ruin my business over here.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: I’m going with it. I get her another set of, picture books, send them over.
She hates them. And then she starts demanding, like, the raw photos so that she can edit She wants, every single photo I took of the wedding day. She doesn’t want just the ones that I picked to edit. She wants all of them, and I was like, “No. It’s just not gonna happen.” It works. No. And then, yep, nope.
Christa Innis: Gosh,
Samantha Blake: that- And the company I used for the books, they bound them themselves, so it wasn’t, like, a mass production thing. It was, like, a very, intricately done, beautifully pieced together book. And again, just a gift, which was probably, like, 100 bucks, honestly. Yeah. So out of the 500 you gave me, I gave you a $100 book, and then I ended up giving them all the money back.
I was like, “Stop contacting me.” Like-
Christa Innis: Please … “
Samantha Blake: Here’s your 500. Leave me alone.”
Christa Innis: That’s, like, someone that doesn’t understand photography either, ’cause it’s like where it starts off is she’s like, “Oh, will you take photos? And you’re a photographer, so you can do wedding photography.” It’s like, wedding photography is very different than, maternity- Mm-hmm
or engagement or still shots. they’re all different- Yeah … skillsets. And yes, while some people do all of them or eventually get there, it’s doesn’t necessarily mean you have the equipment for a wedding when it’s- Right … like, in a darker church or That’s someone that just- Yeah
you said, like earlier, like they just want it, they just saw like a price tag and they’re like, “Well, let’s just do this price tag.” And it’s like-
Samantha Blake: Yeah …
Christa Innis: well, you’re paying for the equipment, you’re paying for the ti- you know, all that stuff
Samantha Blake: Yeah. And then the time to edit the photos too.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. ‘
Samantha Blake: Cause like these beautiful photos you see, before they go into, production or editing, they don’t look like that.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: They look like a photo that you would take with, just your camera and your lighting. these effects of like sun rays and stuff like that, that’s done post. that’s done in the production process, but people don’t see that. People don’t understand that. They just think that’s how it came out of the camera I wanna live in that level of delusion, honestly.
The Cake That Broke Boundaries
Christa Innis: Yeah, that is wild. Okay, one more story before we get to this week’s story submission that someone sent. you said you have a story from your own wedding with your- Yes … mother-in-law that you wanna share.
Samantha Blake: Oh, my… First of all, this woman, she’s not my mother-in-law anymore. obviously,
I’ve been divorced for 12 years, 13 years. But I went no contact with her four years before I even left him, ’cause it was awful. First of all, her dress to wear as the, groom’s mom was a very pale champagney color.
Christa Innis: Okay. I
Samantha Blake: was like- I
Christa Innis: knew that was coming … “
Samantha Blake: pretty much white there, babe.”
Mm-hmm. this isn’t okay with me. I grew up on a big property, like a farmhouse type deal, so we had a big yard, which is where we were gonna have the wedding. I’m like, “We’ll just have it on my parents’ property,” and that was, like, my parents’ contribution to it. So my mother-in-law was like, “Well, I wanna contribute.
what can I do?” And I’m like, “Honestly, I can’t think of anything you can do. We’re good.” At this point, I had already hired a baker. I already had everything, like catering and stuff, ready. We were set. And she contacted my ex-husband, threatening to, self-harm herself if I did not allow her to make the wedding cake, and I was like…
“Okay, well, I don’t want that to happen, so she can make the wedding cake.” I canceled with the baker. I’m like, … “My mother-in-law is gonna make it,” all this stuff. And I go to my mother-in-law with, my vision board of what I wanted, which was just very basic cake, naked cake with, fall decor, ’cause it was a fall wedding.
and you know, like, the naked where it’s like the frosting is on it but scraped off- Mm-hmm … so it’s very, very, very, like, not really there?
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: That’s what I wanted, and I just wanted it simple. I wanted a chocolate layer, a vanilla layer, and then carrot cake for the one year. you know how you have your cake in the, one-year anniversary.
I wanna say it was maybe a week before the wedding. She calls me and she’s like, “Hey, do you wanna come try the cake? Like, I have it ready.” And I was like, “Sure, yeah. Oh, d- Back, rewind. She wanted to make a marble cake. She thought it would just look so divine if she had pitchers with one that had chocolate, one that had vanilla, and then you pour it in at the same time so it swirls together.
And I was like, “Cute idea, don’t want that. I want it to just be very specific, one that’s one and whatever.” And she’s just like, ” Well, I mean, it would just look really cool and all this stuff.” And I was like, “I don’t want it.” And I was, like, very adamant. Boundaries, right? Mm-hmm. So I go to sample the cake, try it out, and of course it’s this pitcher idea that she had where it was all marbled together.
And I tried the cake. I was like, “This cake is really good. on the wedding day though, I don’t want it like this. I want it chocolate vanilla carrot cake.” I can’t even tell you how many times I said that. Like, I literally for the longest time didn’t even wanna eat cake because of how, stupid I sounded telling this.
So I was like, ” This is what I wanted.” And she’s just like, “Well, if you want it that way, you’re gonna have to buy me the ingredients to remake this cake.” So now this thing that’s meant to be a gift is causing me stress and anxiety. Days before my wedding I’m running around, getting all the stuff that she needs to remake this cake.
The day of the wedding comes. she pulls out the cake, and, I wanted a circular cake, but it was this big, rectangular, like, giant freaking thing. I have tried so hard to find photos of this, but one of the things I did when I left, I was, like, deleting that from my memory. I was like, “No wedding photos anywhere.
Nothing. Everything…” so it’s a big rectangular cake that has so much frosting on it. I’m talking, like, an inch of frosting and- Oh my gosh … piping and swirly things, and she has red ribbon piping. I don’t know what it’s called. And then there’s, like, this blue color. It’s a fall wedding. I felt like it was a Fourth of July cake, honestly.
And I was like, thank you for doing this for me. This isn’t what I wanted.” She lost her mind, started scraping the cake off, because I asked for a naked cake. She’s like, ” You want a naked cake? You’re gonna get a naked cake,” yelling at me. I’m, like, about to get married. I’m pregnant, so I can’t go inside and take a drink.
Like, I have to just sit here and, like- Oh
Christa Innis: my
Samantha Blake: gosh … deal with it, you know?
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Blake: So she’s scraping my cake off. My poor mom is, walking around the yard, picking up actual leaves to make it fall. She’s, she’s putting, like, for real leaves on the cake, and I’m like, “We don’t, we don’t need to do this.” anyways, I end up trying to cut the cake, sorry.
The bottom layer, the chocolate, is styrofoam. And I was like-
Christa Innis: Oh …
Samantha Blake: I’m like, “Oh.” And I’m like, “What is this?” And she’s just like, “Oh, you know, I thought about what you said about wanting chocolate and vanilla, and that really didn’t make sense, so I just used the cake I made the other day, so you’re gonna have to cut the middle layer.”
So she used the marble cake, which begs the question, where did all the extra ingredients I bought you-
Christa Innis: Yeah …
Samantha Blake: what were those for if this is the same cake that you had me test a week ago?
Christa Innis: Oh-
Samantha Blake: Anyways …
Christa Innis: my gosh.
Samantha Blake: So we cut the middle layer. it was the marble thing, and I’m like, whatever. we’re gonna let it go.
I’m just not, I’m in a noncon- confrontational mood. And then she comes over to cut the top layer because my husband’s, well, husband at the time, little brother wanted carrot cake. He didn’t want, the other cake. So she cut the top layer, which is meant for the one-year anniversary layer. Mm-hmm. And she cuts it, and she gives the kid a piece of it, and she’s just like, “Well, that’s what he wanted.”
And I’m like If that’s any idea what my relationship was like.
Christa Innis: Yes, I can only imagine how the rest of the y- many years went. Yeah, that is wild. That’s like one of the things, too, like I have so many stories where like family members insist on like taking photos, or they insist on being the DJ, or they insist on-
Samantha Blake: Mm-hmm
things.
Christa Innis: Like, “Oh, it’s not hard,” and when like maybe they don’t have a legitimate business, or they like have only done it one other time for a birthday party-
Samantha Blake: Mm-hmm …
Christa Innis: or something. And so many times it just goes bad because-
Samantha Blake: Yes …
Christa Innis: they don’t have the experience, or for example, if they’re like a photographer for a wedding when they’re not an actual photographer, then it’s like they- Mm-hmm
lose photos, or they don’t have a backup drive, all these things where it’s like- Yep … so hard when they, especially if the mother-in-law is like threatening, “Well, if you don’t let me do this,” that’s
Samantha Blake: scary. It, it was that, that was her threat for everything. Imagine how much like
It’s like a heightened state of anxiety- Mm-hmm … all the time because she wanted to be in the delivery room, which I ended up having an emergency C-section, so nobody was in the room, thank God. But not like… You know what I mean.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: But she was threatening self-harm because she wasn’t in the room,
Yeah. And then she shows up maybe an hour or two after I had him, and I’m still out. I’m still under anesthesia, and she’s like trying to hold the baby, but my mom won’t let her. She’s like, “No. No, you’re not holding him before Sam can hold him.” Yeah. Like, that doesn’t make any logical sense.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: And honestly, that’s why I went no contact with her.
I was actually pregnant with my middle when I went no contact with her. I was like, “I I can’t do this.” It’s like an emotional like rollercoaster.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Blake: And you’re under… It’s like a constant, almost like you’re in a vice grip. Yeah, like you’re stuck. Mm-hmm. And I was like, “I can’t do it anymore.
Christa Innis: I can’t do it.” Can’t do anything right, can’t do anything like, everything’s just wrong probably.
Samantha Blake: Yeah.
Christa Innis: you can’t win with someone like that ’cause it’s all based- Mm-mm … on control. It’s like if they don’t have it their way at their time, then, you know, you’re-
Samantha Blake: Yeah …
Christa Innis: yeah, you have to go no contact with someone like that.
I can’t even- Yeah … imagine, especially when it comes to having kids around someone like that.
Samantha Blake: Yeah. Oh- … you
Christa Innis: made the right choice … yeah, I
Samantha Blake: just don’t feel safe with it. Yeah. Yeah, she used to, go off on me because I would let my mom take my son, but I wouldn’t let her take my son. And I’m like-
Christa Innis: Big difference
Samantha Blake: like, honestly. Like-
Christa Innis: It is …
Samantha Blake: I heard about my husband’s childhood. Like I don’t, don’t wanna give you my kid.
Christa Innis: Yeah. You’re like, “No, thank you.”
Samantha Blake: But- Wow … oh, she tried suing me for grandparents’ rights after I left him and everything. Like, she genuinely… It was, it was a nightmare. It was a nightmare. But yeah. Oh
Christa Innis: my gosh.
Samantha Blake: She’s, we have a whole- Can’t believe she did
Christa Innis: that …
Samantha Blake: I know. I know. In, in the, I think it’s been 17 years since I talked to her, and in that time, like, she’s reached out here and there, like asking how the kids are and asking for photos of the kids, and I’m just like, “Nah. No.”
Christa Innis: Someone that-
Samantha Blake: But- …
Christa Innis: like that, you just don’t even wanna give them access because it’s gonna just-
Samantha Blake: No
explode No. And my, my, like, for real socials, like, I don’t post my kids on TikTok or anything like that, but on my, my personal Facebook page, it is so locked down that you’re not gonna find anything on there anyways. Like, good luck. And if you do find a picture of them, I’m proud of you because that shit is so private.
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh my gosh. Okay. All right, let’s
Samantha Blake: hear this one.
Christa Innis: Let’s get to this week’s story submission. Give me one second here. Um- Hold on one sec
Spring Showdown: When Months Collide
Okay, let’s get to this week’s story submission. Here we go. Two of my best friends got engaged around the same time. Emma was my maid of honor when I got married and is truly my best friend in the world. Lily is also a close friend and was a bridesmaid in my wedding. We all share the same friend group, but Emma and Lily were never especially close.
In fact, Lily wasn’t even sure if Emma would make her guest list since her fiancé and Emma had butted heads in the past. Emma and her fiancé, Ryan, are a bit older and got engaged about a year and a half- about a year of dating. Lily and her fiancé, Noah, had been together since college and got engaged after five years, about six months before Emma.
After Lily got engaged, she started asking me questions about Emma’s proposal and her dream wedding. I told her Emma was hoping for a fall wedding later that year As wedding planning began, Emily’s uncle became terminally, terminally ill, which delayed things while her family focused on him. Once his condition stabilized enough for her to step away, Emma and Ryan found a venue they loved.
However, they had to shift their timeline to the following spring because Emma works in sales, and fall was both too busy and too soon to book. Meanwhile, Lily secured her venue for April 18th. Emma later told me she was considering April 2nd … Oh gosh, I know where this is going. There’s gonna be some- I’m waiting for
Samantha Blake: it
friend beef.
Christa Innis: Yes. Uh, she was considering April 2nd or the end of May, depending on venue availability. She asked if I thought April 2nd, just three weeks before Lily’s wedding, was too close since there were mutual friends in both weddings. I told her it would be fine. Both weddings were local, and from my own experience as a bride, I knew how limited venue availability can be.
Sometimes you just have to do what works. A few weeks later, I saw Lily at another friend’s party. She asked how Emma’s planning was going. Since I was Emma’s maid of honor, I casually mentioned the dates Emma was considering. Lily immediately made a scene. She said it was incredibly disrespectful for Emma to even consider a date less than a month before hers without asking permission.
Like you own the whole month. Like-
Samantha Blake: But also, wasn’t she not even sure if she was gonna be a guest at the wedding anyways?
Christa Innis: Yeah. She said she wasn’t even
Samantha Blake: sure- How
Christa Innis: odd … she was gonna … Who was it? Um- Invite them … Lily didn’t even think Emma was gonna be a guest at her wedding.
Samantha Blake: Yeah. Okay, sorry.
Christa Innis: So I feel like it has to do with her competing with this friend and thinking like, “Well, I don’t want my same friend that’s gonna be a bridesmaid in my wedding to like have to worry about hers first.”
You know, like that competition or something.
Samantha Blake: Yeah. Y- your attention belongs to me, no one else type deal.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah. Ugh. So
Samantha Blake: gross
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. I calmly explained that I didn’t think it was a big deal, especially since both weddings were local and wouldn’t create a burden for shared guests. She snapped back, accusing me of only taking Emma’s side because I was her maid of honor.
I stayed calm, but I definitely was frustrated. I gently pointed out that Lily wasn’t even sure she was inviting Emma to her wedding. Oh, gosh, here we go. She was? So at this point, Emma didn’t know. So she, it didn’t make sense to expect Emma to check in, um, with her about dates. That didn’t go over well. She started asking random people at the party for her, for their opinions, but only sharing selective details to make herself look better.
This is just what we were talking about before recording, how when people share a story, they, they’re always, they’re naturally gonna do it to make themselves look better. Yep. Yep. And take out some details.
Samantha Blake: And then they do the thing where, “Oh, well, so and so agrees with me. They feel the same way I do,” and then they kinda like pit people against you.
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh my gosh.
Samantha Blake: Every time.
Christa Innis: And I always like to think too, I’m like, so if, if Lily would’ve sent this story in, you know, like how she would- Mm … angle it versus this person- Yep … you know, everyone’s gonna change things.
Samantha Blake: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Um, I tried to deescalate the situation and show empathy, and eventually things settled down.
In the end, Emma chose Memorial Day weekend, five weeks after Lily’s wedding. Oh, wonder if that was okay. I let Lily know, thinking the issue was resolved.
Samantha Blake: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: But I could tell something was off A few weeks later, she asked to talk. During the call she said it felt like a slap in the face that we had even considered a date close to hers.
For one, it’s not even though her friend considering it, it’s the other girl. Like, me, she’s a maid of honor. She’s not on part of picking a date. Like, why is she getting mad at
Samantha Blake: her? So- so, that’s … Why, why does she feel like she just owns, like, that six-month block? Like- She n- she thought she was planning a fall wedding, so that’s the only time she’s allowed to plan it?
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: So weird how entitled people become.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I just like, I think people get in their minds, like, yes, like, your wedding is this great event and it’s fun, but I feel like with, like, social media and, like, Pinterest, they’re like, “Oh my gosh, it’s, my wedding’s the wedding of the year- Yeah … and everyone else lives stop when they’re in my wedding or a part of it.”
And so I think she’s-
Samantha Blake: Mm-hmm …
Christa Innis: thinking like, “Oh, my maid of, like, my friend that’s in the wedding, you know, should be, like, focusing on me and me only.” Mm-hmm. And it’s like, no. Like, yes, it’s the most important thing for you and your partner-
Samantha Blake: Mm-hmm …
Christa Innis: but everyone else, their lives move on. Like, they still have to work.
Right. They still have kids, they still have fam- you know, whatever that is.
Samantha Blake: Yep.
Christa Innis: They can’t just stop. So if they have another wedding to go to, that’s okay.
Samantha Blake: That’s okay. Yeah. Exactly, it’s okay.
Christa Innis: It’s like I always tell people, like, two of my best friends got married the same year as me. One was two months before me, and one was- Ooh
the, like, I don’t know, six, no, eight months after me, and I was the maid of honor in one wedding, I was a bridesmaid in the other. Ooh. So all of our wedding events overlapped, and it was so fun. Like, we did so many different things. Yeah. Like, we had a bachelorette party one weekend, we had a shower, and I loved it.
Like, I’m as happy- Yeah … for my friends as you, you should be. Like
Samantha Blake: And I feel like you can also bounce ideas off each other, ’cause maybe you like the idea of a bubble machine, and the other person’s like, “No, that’s stupid,” but that’s cool for you. You know what I mean? Or maybe they see something cool that they like, but they don’t want at their wedding- Mm-hmm
but then they share the idea with you-
Christa Innis: Oh, yeah …
Samantha Blake: and you like it.
Christa Innis: We all, we all shared so many different things, like, um, different decorative things from our weddings, ’cause we all had a little bit- Yeah … of gold accent. One of my fr- my friend’s little sister got married six months before me, and I was able to use her fake flowers.
Like, we all- Oh, nice … like, shared each other’s stuff, and I’m like, I saved money. Like, it was actually, like, nice, but-
Samantha Blake: Sisterhood of the, uh, wedding decor instead of the traveling pants.
Christa Innis: Yeah, exactly. Yes. Oh my gosh, I know. People spend so much money on that stuff. I’m just like, I went to, like, Goodwill. I, like, borrowed some stuff from friends.
Yeah. I’m like, it’s fine. Um- Yeah.
Samantha Blake: And I bet it was beautiful, too.
Christa Innis: Yes, exactly. Um, she said, okay, so she said, I, “And then I tried to explain that my opinion wasn’t biased, but that only made her more upset. She said she talked to other people who agreed with her. I mentioned,” like you just said, “I mentioned that I had also spoken to my mom and my sister who had been in multiple weddings close together, and they felt that brides don’t need permission from others, especially if they’re not even in the wedding party.
That’s when she lost it. She accused me of airing out her business-” Oh, God “… even though she had just told me she did the same thing.” Right. Total hypocrisy. Because again, she’s al- she is seeing herself as the main character. She’s the bride. It’s only about her. Yep. Everyone else’s- Yep … opinion doesn’t matter
Samantha Blake: Wild.
The Bridesmaid Ultimatum
Christa Innis: Then it got worse. She told me that I was clearly siding with Emma. Maybe I should step down as her bridesmaid because she didn’t think I’d have time for her.
Samantha Blake: Okay.
Christa Innis: Wow. I’d be like, “Okay, well, you made it y- your choice.” Thanks for bringing all that up. Yeah.
Samantha Blake: Thank you, but thank you. Saving money on that dress.
Christa Innis: Now I can really focus on her thank you. I was worried about it.
Samantha Blake: Yes, thank you. I did feel like I was pulled in opposite directions, so- Yeah …
Christa Innis: that’s wild. That’s wild. And that just tells me that this person, like, always had some kind of… I don’t know. To eas- to that easily drop you from the wedding-
Samantha Blake: Yeah, yeah
Christa Innis: tells me that they already ha- always had some kind of like animosity. I
Samantha Blake: wonder if she was, like, an extra body. So she’s like kind of a friend, and her fiancé had like seven groomsmen, so she just- Mm-hmm … needed an extra.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: You know what I mean? ‘Cause you don’t, you don’t drop a friend from a wedding. I’m saying that as somebody who was dropped from a wedding- Oh
but then re-in the wedding. Oh. It was wild. That’s like a whole different story. Anyways, it- that’s what it sounds like to me, is like that person was an extra body. Like, that person was just there to fill the shoes- Mm-hmm … because there were too many groomsmen in comparison to the bride, bridesmaids.
Christa Innis: Yeah. So it’s like not gonna like affect her day, so she’s like, “Whatever, just-”
Samantha Blake: Yeah
Christa Innis: “At this point, don’t.” That’s wild. I reminded her of all the ways I had supported her and made sure she felt celebrated, but she was too angry to hear it. Eventually, I was able to calm her down, and she brushed the whole thing off like it wasn’t a big deal. But it honestly shook me. I tried to move past it, telling myself that the wedding stress can make people act out, but it still felt like a lot.
Thankfully, everything eventually worked itself out. We are on good terms now, and ironically, Emma and Lily are actually closer than ever. But being stuck in the middle of that situation, absolutely wild. Gosh, what do you make of all that?
Samantha Blake: So unfair. Like, okay, so for me, that’s so unfair for, for Emma Just because she has…
They’re all in a friend group, and she’s close to both people, that’s so unfair to make her feel like she has to choose one or the other.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Blake: It was
Christa Innis: like- Emma, Emma’s the friend. Emma and Lily are the- Yeah … friends, and then the OP is… We don’t have a name, I guess, for her.
Samantha Blake: Oh, okay, okay. Yeah I thought Emma was…
Okay. So whomever… We’ll get- we’ll say her name is Lauren.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: Lauren- Perfect … feel like she’s choosing between the two, that’s so unfair to her.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Samantha Blake: Like, because- Why
Christa Innis: can’t it be yes …
Samantha Blake: the
Christa Innis: honor
Samantha Blake: over here, obviously, like, that would indicate to me that she’s closer to this person. Mm-hmm. Which could potentially make Lily upset because, like, how dare you have a bester friend than me?
Mm-hmm. A besterest, bester best.
Christa Innis: Besterest, yeah. Bestest friend, yeah. When- But
Samantha Blake: yeah …
Christa Innis: yeah. When I think Lily, um, got- Who got engaged first? It was like… Oh, they got engaged around the same time, and then, but Emma was her maid of honor, so then, so then Lauren would’ve been Emma’s maid of honor.
Samantha Blake: Yeah.
Christa Innis: And then- Yeah
Samantha Blake: yeah. And Emma was gonna originally be married in September or fall-ish, and then uncle had health problems, Lily. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like, I can understand it because Lily asked when is she getting married. She knew it was fall, so then she planned for spring.
Christa Innis: Right.
Samantha Blake: But you can’t, like, plan if a family member’s sick.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Sorry, I feel a sneeze coming on. It looks like I’m crying. I swear it’s allergies.
Samantha Blake: I’m like, I swear to you, the story’s not that bad.
Christa Innis: Like, it’s okay. It’s not your friends that are getting
Samantha Blake: married.
Christa Innis: No. No, like, my allergies are so bad since, like, the wildfires and stuff. But anyway- Right … um, yeah, no. It’s…
That’s, like, hard, and I feel like it’s, like, this, like, friend competition and, like- Mm-hmm … I guess it’s that they’re friends now, but I would still, I feel like, hold a little bit of resentment for how the girl- Oh,
Samantha Blake: for sure … how she treated her ‘
Christa Innis: cause I’d be like, “Dude, you put me in a odd spot. Like, I’m not controlling their wedding over here.
I’m just the maid of honor- Right … and I’m supporting my friend. Don’t come at me. Like, I’m the one.”
Samantha Blake: But also, I feel like as, as Emma to now be friends with Lily, if I were Emma, I would l- I would think that she was really fake, and I would… It would be a very superficial friendship for me. Like, one of those, like, surface level where you know enough to feel like we’re friends, but at the same time, I see what you can do to people you care about, so I’m not letting you close to me.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: That’s how I would handle it. Like, there’s no way that you caused my best friend so much, like, grief-
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm …
Samantha Blake: and then I’m gonna be friends. And- I, I can- can’t …
Christa Innis: yeah, it makes me wonder if, um, the OP, like Lauren that we’re calling, I wonder if- Uh-huh … she told Emma everything. You know?
Samantha Blake: Oh, same. Mm-hmm. ‘
Christa Innis: Cause maybe she’s thinking, like, I’m thinking, like, if I were in two weddings at the same time and that happened, I’m like, I don’t think I’d wanna stress out this bride- Yeah
and be like, “Oh,” you know? Or make them feel like they have to change their date. So I’m wondering- Yeah … if she didn’t tell her or maybe waited to tell her until later.
Samantha Blake: Later.
Christa Innis: I’d almost hope she wouldn’t tell her ’cause then I’m like, don’t put that on her ’cause if Emma’s like- No … a really nice people pleaser, then maybe she’s like, “Oh, okay, I don’t wanna…”
But it sound-
Samantha Blake: Yeah …
Christa Innis: it sounded like Emma was actually concerned. She was like, “Oh, do you think it’s okay?” Or would she be upset?
Samantha Blake: Yeah. Yeah. She
Christa Innis: had a feeling, like, you know, ’cause I think it would probably cross everyone’s mind, like, you know, if- If maybe I knew someone was getting married, ’cause I got married in March, like if I knew someone close to another friend was getting married in April, I’d be like, “Oh, is that too close?”
But I mean, I don’t know. Like-
Samantha Blake: Yeah …
Christa Innis: for the most part, if you have different friend groups and, you know, it doesn’t really matter. Like-
Samantha Blake: No …
Christa Innis: only 12 months in a year
Samantha Blake: And on top of that, like… Right, and it’s just like I would, I actually think that I would like having weddings back to back because you get to celebrate.
I’m, I- I’m like, w- don’t wanna get remarried, but I love weddings, and I always get emotional. Like, I was, like, as a photographer, I’m, like, crying behind my lens for somebody I don’t even freaking know. But I love weddings. I love love, you know what I mean?
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Blake: So I think that I would love it if it was, like, back-to-back weddings where I get to celebrate people that I’m close to.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I
Samantha Blake: was- So it’s just, it’s weird to me that people would be like, no. Like, the one story you shared where, like, the person couldn’t get married in their wedding year.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Blake: What are we talking about? Like, what? Ugh.
Christa Innis: Don’t you wanna be happy- Like, what the hell? … and celebrate other people? Like, I, I’m the same way.
Like, I love weddings. Would I wanna plan another one for myself? No. I had so much fun with it, but I love weddings. I love going to them. Mm-hmm. Like, I just found out two of my f- two of my friends just got engaged, and they’re getting married next year, and I’m like, “Yes.” We haven’t had a wedding, a year with two weddings in a long time.
Yeah. I can’t wait.
Samantha Blake: That’s so exciting.
Christa Innis: Um, yeah, and it’s like it, and it’s been a while ’cause, like, my, my age group, my friends group are all married, so it’s like younger… It’s like siblings, younger siblings- Yeah … and, like, uh- Yeah … you know, stuff like that. But, um, yeah, and so I’m just like, I can’t wait ’cause I love going to weddings.
Yeah. It’s just such a fun event- It’s exciting … to go to, and it’s exciting and, um… So yeah, it’s just, that does… You can, you know, maybe you can excuse some wacky behavior around weddings. Yeah. Like, okay, they’re stressed. But things like that, I would be like, I would remember how someone treated me. Going off on me- Yeah
at someone else’s wedding, like, I’d be like, “Eh, that’s a bit odd.”
Samantha Blake: Yeah. I think, like, if Emma was like, “Okay, so this girl’s wedding is on the 2nd. I actually want mine on the 3rd.” Like, sure, be a little bit, like, peeved about that, but if it’s, like, a couple weeks after- Right … really no point in being upset.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: It, it, unless you guys are in each other’s wedding and getting married on the exact same day-
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm …
Samantha Blake: it’s really, it’s really not that deep. Like, we- Yeah … can just calm down. Like-
Christa Innis: Like, it’ll
Samantha Blake: be- I always tell people like that need to eat a Snickers. Like, you know the commercials where they’re, like- Yes
hangry? Yeah. Go eat a Snickers. Go eat a Snickers.
Christa Innis: Go chill out for a bit.
Samantha Blake: Yeah, relax.
Christa Innis: Calm down. You’ll be fine. Yeah. Um-
Samantha Blake: I used to, when I was a server, completely unrelated, I carried fun-size Snickers around in my, um, apron. So when people would give me attitude, I’d be like, “Oh, you little, little snacky over here.”
Uh,
Christa Innis: have a Snickers. You, you need something to hold you off before, uh-
Samantha Blake: Yeah. …
Christa Innis: your fumes. Yeah. That’s a good idea. People do need that.
Samantha Blake: Okay. No, that’s wild, you know?
Confessions, Mom Villages and Setting Boundaries
Christa Innis: I always like to end these episodes with confessions.
Samantha Blake: Ooh.
Christa Innis: So here is, um, here’s what people said. We said, “What’s…” We asked, “What’s something you wish people understood more of?”
Um, this person said, “How you treat people is how they’ll treat you. If you don’t give more, don’t expect more.” I actually love- Mm … this because I’ve been thinking a lot about, like, mom villages lately, and how everyone’s like, you know, “Where’s my village?” And it’s hard to find a village. But I feel like to have a village you have to kind of be the village.
Yep. And that goes for, like, when you’re a bride, too. Like, we wanna relate it back to weddings. It’s like these brides that maybe weren’t there for their friends when it was their time, and then they’re like, “Where is everybody?” And it’s like, well, you- Right, right … weren’t a good friend to them. You know?
Samantha Blake: Yep, yep.
It’s the energy you put out is what you get back-
Christa Innis: Mm …
Samantha Blake: is how I always look at it. So the effort you put in is the effort that comes back to you as well.
Christa Innis: Yes, absolutely.
Samantha Blake: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Um, not being able to do things because you have kids. That’s what… Okay, she wish- wishes people, more people would understand that.
Samantha Blake: Mm-hmm. Okay.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: I can get that one. I understand that one.
Christa Innis: Yes. Um, let’s see. I can fix them is not true. They have to put in the work. You can’t make them see their flaws. Yeah, I think that’s-
Samantha Blake: Yeah …
Christa Innis: mostly true, yeah.
Samantha Blake: I hear it. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Um, this person just says, “No, I don’t want kids there.” So I don’t know if they’re talking about weddings or s-
Samantha Blake: Yeah.
I always struggle with that because I’ve been to weddings where kids were in attendance, and it was totally fine. Like, you would’ve never known. But then I’ve been at weddings where, like, there’s a screaming toddler just running amok, and you’re just like, like, “Why is it running across the altar right now?”
Like, while they’re doing their vows. Right. Like, so I understand not wanting that.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Samantha Blake: But at the same time, like- If, if you want to invite a person and the person has kids but they can’t make it ’cause kids aren’t allowed, then you have to be understanding of the fact that they are not there because of that.
It’s, it doesn’t mean that they don’t like you, it doesn’t mean they’re a bad friend, it just means that they can’t go.
Christa Innis: Right.
Samantha Blake: Does that- No, totally.
Christa Innis: So,
Samantha Blake: like, yeah, when my cousin got married it was no kids, and my son was, like, I don’t know, two months old, three months old. So I had a babysitter for him. ‘Cause it was m- like, everybody was going.
It was my cousin, so like my mom was there, my dad was there, my sisters, everything. So I had a sitter for a couple of hours, and she was so upset that I didn’t stay for everything. And I’m like, “I can’t.” Like-
Christa Innis: Yeah …
Samantha Blake: this thing is nursing. Yes. It’s like, looking for me. I gotta go. Like- Yes … but.
Christa Innis: I know.
Samantha Blake: I don’t know.
But-
Christa Innis: Yeah, that’s hard. It’s hard, like, people need to like understand, like, once you have kids, like things, things change a little bit. Yeah. And I, and I total- again, I totally understand people not wanting kids there. Like, I don’t get- Mm-hmm … offended if people don’t invite my daughter. Like, I get it.
Samantha Blake: Right.
Christa Innis: And I think, I think it’s just people want different vibes for weddings. Sometimes they just don’t want kids there. Other times it’s like just immediate family members. Um-
Samantha Blake: Yeah …
Christa Innis: and I think a lot of times too, like, if… Or if they don’t know your kid, they’re not gonna invite your kid. Like, like we have like- Yeah
friends that invite us to a wedding before they even knew, before we had kids. I’m like, I wouldn’t expect them to just, you know, add her on the list. Um- Right … but yeah, I know. I think it’s, I think it’s interesting. People get like very offended over it, both sides. People get offended- Yeah … if you have to leave early if you have kids, and people get offended if you say, um, if you invite no kids.
And I’m like-
Samantha Blake: Right. Right …
Christa Innis: people are gonna do what they want. It’s okay. Like-
Samantha Blake: Right …
Christa Innis: you can’t get up in arms about
Samantha Blake: it. And it’s okay to realize that people are different. Just because you would have kids at your wedding doesn’t mean that they should also feel that way.
Christa Innis: Yeah, yeah.
Samantha Blake: It’s like a chocolate versus vanilla.
Not everybody likes chocolate and not everybody likes vanilla. It’s okay. It’s okay.
Christa Innis: Right.
Samantha Blake: It’s okay. We can all get along. Yes.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Um, this person says, “No phones at the wedding.”
Samantha Blake: I agree with that I grew, as, as a photographer, as somebody… I think I did, like, 20-something weddings. The amount of times I would be taking a photo down the aisle of, like, the first kiss, and then you have, like, Aunt Susan leaning in with her camera taking photos.
So then you have to go through the hassle of either trying to edit her out completely or cropping the photo so it’s not as aesthetic, just to not have their phone in the, in the photo. And, like, sometimes you watch, uh, the bride walking down the aisle, and everybody’s like this, staring at their screen. Ah.
And, like, the event is happening in front of you, and you’re missing it.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Blake: You’re… Like, it just, it, it’s frustrating.
Christa Innis: That’s like concert video nows, v- videos now- … that, like, really bother me. And it’s like I get, like, filming your favorite song or here and there, but the people- Yeah … that the whole time at a concert are holding up, I’m like, “Be freaking present.
We have such a hard time- Be present … with that now.” It’s like-
Samantha Blake: Yep, yep …
Christa Innis: there’s nothing that will compete with your actual eyesight and your senses. And, and I feel like especially when you’re at a concert, how many times are you gonna go back and, like, watch it? Like, how-
Samantha Blake: I know, I know. Or, like, 4th of July fireworks.
Yeah, when they
Christa Innis: post it.
Samantha Blake: Nobody cares. Nobody
Christa Innis: cares. Yeah.
Samantha Blake: Or, or even when you’re watching the concert videos back and you can hear yourself singing- I feel like that’s a reason enough to not do it. Like, listening to yourself shout the lyrics, like, no. Yes.
Christa Innis: I know. I always like to remind people, it’s like, especially at a wedding, it’s like they paid good money for a great photographer.
Let them do that. Like, if you wanna get- Yes … like, a selfie of you and the bride later if she has time- Yeah … sure, do that. Yeah. But, you know, and like I- being involved in weddings, I ta- I love taking pictures of, like, little details and stuff.
Samantha Blake: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: But you better believe my phone is away. When I’m sitting- Yeah
in my chair and I’m watching, my phone’s away, ’cause I know I can’t do better than the photographer. I know that for a fact. Right.
Samantha Blake: Yeah.
Christa Innis: But yeah, like Uncle Bob over here, he thinks his iPad is better .
Samantha Blake: Yes. Oh, I did one wedding one time, I think it was the grandpa or, like, a great uncle or something like that, was recording it with the flash on-
Christa Innis: Ugh
Samantha Blake: the entire time. So, like, everybody’s trying to watch, and they’re, like, blinded if he’s, like, turning the iPad their way, and it’s just like, “Put it away, bro.” Yeah. So, like, I have all these people photos with this bright light out of nowhere over here, and I’m like, “This is fantastic. This is great.” Mm. “Love this.”
Christa Innis: Wild, wild, wild.
Samantha Blake: Yeah.
Christa Innis: All right. Well, thank you so much for coming on. That was-
Samantha Blake: Of course … it
Christa Innis: was fun, like, going back and forth with different stories and stuff ’cause, like, I’m sure you have so many. We could probably do, like, a two-hour episode with different kinds of stories.
Samantha Blake: I have so much, dude. I… That’s why when people are like, “These stories are made up,” and I’m like, “Mm, no.”
Not at
Christa Innis: all.
Samantha Blake: One thing I think it’s, is… Okay, so from, like, a young age to probably about 20 or 21, I was very meek, very quiet. Like, I was in an abusive relationship, so you, like, you kind of shrink yourself to be palatable to people. And when I left that I was like, “You’re, you’re all in for a treat now because I don’t have a verbal filter.”
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: So, like, when you’re willing to speak your mind, you tend to piss people off a lot because they’re not used to being called out on their behavior-
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm …
Samantha Blake: which intensifies their behavior. So then you just… I end up with, like, crazy stories. Even, like, we were out to dinner the other day, um, and this mom was sitting there berating her daughter.
And of course, I’m at another table, I’m like, “Hey, you’re doing good over there. Love that you’re making her cry and that you guys are just sitting here eating.” And it’s just like, stop. Stop being shitty people.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: I don’t know. Yeah. But my mouth will get me in trouble eventually. It just hasn’t yet.
Christa Innis: Oh, my gosh.
I love it. It’s so funny. Mm-hmm. Um, so where can everyone follow you for all your content and, and anything fun you’re working on?
Samantha Blake: Um, so I, I recently started a Facebook. I don’t know why I was steering away from that, but Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube are all the same. It’s the @miss.Samantha.bee, so missSamanthaBee.
But if you see any others without the little dots in between, it’s not me. It’s a fake person. We don’t like that. I love those fake people- … out there.
Christa Innis: One thing I never thought I’d have to deal with. It’s wild, but…
Samantha Blake: I have… So I don’t know why I was not on Facebook. I think it’s ’cause I have so many friends and family over there.
There’s still a part of me that’s, like, embarrassed that I make videos, and I don’t want people watching it.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: But I came across a page of, like, I think it was, like, 100 of my videos, and they had over 3,000 followers. And I’m like, “This isn’t me.” So then I had to start a Facebook, get it verified, like, in the Meta thingy, and now, like, I’ll report their videos ’cause mine will, mine will post first, then they’ll steal it, and then they post it.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Samantha Blake: So I’ve gotten, like, 20-something of their videos taken down, and just yesterday, they had my profile picture. They just removed the profile picture, so now it’s just, like, that little icon of, like, a silhouette of a person.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Samantha Blake: Um, but I’m hoping that that means the entire page is being taken down ’cause-
Christa Innis: Yeah
Samantha Blake: I will make time to get it taken down. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Like,
Samantha Blake: but- Like, you will
Christa Innis: not be imitating me anymore, thank you. No.
Samantha Blake: No, thank you. Also, I’m so terrified of, like, and I don’t know if you deal with this, like, somebody stealing all of your videos and posting like they’re you. What if they start commenting like they’re you, but commenting things you would never comment?
It, it’s like, to me, that’s like one of my biggest fears is like what if this person makes me seem like an awful person, and they’re just really mean?
Christa Innis: Yeah. No, I had- Because someone- … someone that, I think it was on TikTok, was pretending to be me, and they like took my picture, and they messaged a follower like, “Oh, I’ll do like a reading for you,” which I was like, “I don’t do those, obviously, on my page- Right
or anything.” And she messaged me on Instagram, was like, “Hey, just so you know, this is what just happened to me.” She’s like, “I thought it was you at first, and I got all excited ’cause I’m a big fan.” And then we were like- Yeah … chatting, and then she like, “Then I like s- kinda like asked another question.” I was like, “That’s creepy.”
It’s so weird. We- I will never just message someone and say, “Hey, can I do a reading for you?” Or can I-
Samantha Blake: Yeah.
Christa Innis: And then, oh, and then the person tried charging. They’re like, “Here’s my… Oh, yeah, it’s, I’ll, I do this part for free, but then this is a v- here’s my Venmo.” And I was like, “Girl, I don’t even use Venmo.”
Samantha Blake: No.
Christa Innis: So please don’t-
Samantha Blake: Yeah …
Christa Innis: ask me.
Samantha Blake: How wild.
Christa Innis: Yeah. It’s-
Samantha Blake: But people will fall for it. People will do it. ‘Cause like- Mm … I hate using the term like parasocial relationship, but you do feel like you know these people, and you get excited to contact them. And-
Christa Innis: Yeah …
Samantha Blake: and they would do it. They would be like, “Oh, hell yeah, let me Venmo you for this.”
Yeah. And just like, “Oh, stop me.”
Christa Innis: That’s why it’s so good to get verified on Instagram and Facebook because then people… I always tell people, I’m like, “If there’s no blue check mark, don’t… It’s not me.” Yeah. “It’s not me.”
Samantha Blake: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Which I always was like, “What’s the point of that?” But now I’m like, okay, now there, there is a point to it.
Samantha Blake: Now I get it.
Christa Innis: Yeah, yeah.
Samantha Blake: It’s impossible to get verified on TikTok too. So I had, um, I had another page that recently it got like flagged for impersonating a business. I’m like, “Bitch, do I look like a business?” Like I’m a person. Like- I’m a real person … but I got, I got flagged for impersonating a business, and I kept trying to appeal and trying to appeal and trying to appeal.
And it was like, um, like, uh, service error, temporarily unavailable, and maybe 10 days later my entire page was gone. So like- Wow … like all the followers I had built and stuff over there were now gone. So- Mm … I think I have like maybe 20,000 right now, but that’s not even a portion of what I had before it got removed.
So it’s like- Ugh.
Christa Innis: Oh
Samantha Blake: my God.
Christa Innis: All that work, yeah. Like- That’s annoying. Mm-hmm.
Samantha Blake: Well,
Christa Innis: thank you so much for coming. It was so nice to meet you. But- I- Of
Samantha Blake: course …
Christa Innis: I love your content. Me too. You do great storytelling, so everyone needs to go check you out. And- Thank you … thanks for being here.
Samantha Blake: Awesome, thank you. I really appreciate it.
It was nice to meet you.
Christa Innis: You too.