Queer Fashion, Wedding Etiquette and a SIL Showdown with Kati Kons
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What happens when a bride’s sister demands the wedding photos be moved — because she’s pregnant? This episode dives into a real-life story filled with family tension, wedding day stress, and boundary crossing. Christa and Kati unpack the drama behind the scenes: from feelings of entitlement to unspoken rivalries and the pressure of making a wedding day perfect for everyone.
If you’ve ever wondered how far you should bend for family or what’s really acceptable at weddings, this episode is for you. Plus, they share honest reflections on friendship, jealousy, and the tricky art of RSVP etiquette.
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Episode Chapter Markers
00:00 Introduction
01:18 Bridesmaid Experiences and Challenges
02:46 Bridesmaid Dress Shopping Stories
05:23 Financial Expectations for Bridesmaids
08:34 Non-Traditional Wedding Choices
10:48 Fashion and Color Theory
14:01 Growing Up in Chicago Suburbs
15:14 Privacy and Online Safety
16:37 Meet Kati: The Queer Fashion Stylist
19:48 Non-Traditional Wedding Attire
28:31 Kati’s Wedding Planning
34:25 Rapid Fire Questions
38:36 Diving into Wedding Stories
39:48 Rant on Formal Attire Norms
40:55 Queer Fashion at Weddings
44:13 Navigating Wedding Dress Codes
51:56 Wedding Story: Sibling Rivalry
55:31 Reacting to Wedding Drama
58:32 The Importance of Communication
01:04:48 Reflecting on Wedding Etiquette
Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- The Photo Location Drama — Should a bride accommodate a pregnant sister’s request to move photo shoots on the wedding day?
- Family Tension and Silent Rivalry — Exploring possible jealousy and competition between siblings at weddings.
- When Love Isn’t Transactional — Discussing the expectation of reciprocity in wedding roles and attendance.
- The Importance of RSVP Etiquette — How a simple “yes” or “no” can save the bride and groom headaches.
- Photographer vs. Planner Roles — Why having a dedicated wedding planner is crucial to avoid chaos.
- Pregnancy and Wedding Participation — Respecting health and energy limits without guilt-tripping.
- Friendship Boundaries Post-Wedding — Navigating hurt feelings when friends can’t attend your big day.
- Legal Marriage vs. Long-Term Partnerships — When wedding guest lists exclude “non-married” partners, and why that’s problematic.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “Love is not transactional. If it feels that way, then maybe you shouldn’t go.” – Christa Innis
- “It’s wild to ask a bride to change the logistics of her entire wedding day for someone else.” – Kati Kons
- “Sometimes people feel like they’re owed something just for showing up.” – Kati Kons
- “Weddings aren’t about competition — they’re about celebration.” – Kati Kons
- “Marriage doesn’t change your life overnight; it’s more like a party you throw for yourself.” – Kati Kons
- “The wedding day is about the couple, not anyone else’s agenda.” – Christa Innis
- “RSVPs are important — they’re not just polite, they’re necessary.” – Christa Innis
About Kati:
Kati Kons is a queer wedding fashion stylist based in Washington, D.C. They specialize in helping queer individuals find affirming and non-traditional attire for weddings and other formal events. Kati works with nearlyweds, guests, and vendors, guiding them through the process of finding attire that reflects their personal style and identity. They are known for their inclusive and affirming approach to wedding fashion, particularly for those who may not find themselves represented in traditional wedding attire.
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Christa Innis: Okay, so we were just talking like while before recording and so we’re like, you know, let’s just start. And of course here I am the planner. I have to start like introducing it even though we said like, let’s just start talking. Um, anyways, we were talking about bridesmaids being a bridesmaid because I said last week my person had a hot take that said, if you like your friends, don’t ask them to be a bridesmaid.
And I’ve been a bridesmaid like nine times. You said you’ve been one once and that was enough for you.
Kati Kons: Yeah, that was totally enough. Like I’m done. Yeah. Well, and it was for my sister. It was not even like a friend. So funny.
Christa Innis: All your friends listening are like, okay.
Bridesmaids, Budgets & Boundaries: Rethinking the Wedding Party
Kati Kons: I also got married two weeks ago and didn’t have a wedding party.
So,
Christa Innis: see, and I, it’s funny because like the older I get now, I’m like, there are certain things that like, I’m like, I would do so differently. Mm-hmm. I loved having my wedding party, but, but like, I feel like if I were to get married today, I’d be like, you know what? If you wanna be like, wear a certain color, but I’m not gonna have you guys do all that extra stuff.
I don’t know, I kind of just, it does complicate things a little bit.
Kati Kons: And like what, like what complicate, what does it complicate?
Christa Innis: I feel like not my own wedding. ’cause I feel like I, again, like I was one of the last, one of last of my friends to get married. So like, I had been in so many weddings over the years and I saw kind of like drama that happened with bridesmaids stress, with bridesmaid dress shopping.
Oh, I’ve, I got stories about that. Um, just crazy stuff where I was just like, I don’t wanna deal with this. So, for example, like the bridesmaid dress shopping, it was like. You’d go in with a bride that had no clue what she wanted. Right. And so like, everyone ha shares their opinion. Everyone picks their favorite dress.
It’s like bridesmaids the movie. Right? So it’s like everyone’s picking their own dress and like, this fits me the best. This color’s best for me. Too many opinions. As a bride, you need to know if we’re gonna have bridesmaid dresses. No. Kind of the vibe you want. So I was like, we’re going online. You have to set
Kati Kons: some boundaries.
Christa Innis: Yeah. So for me, I was like, we’re going online. I literally sent them a link to Birdie Gray and I was like, pick something in this color. Pick whatever style you like for your body. Do you?
Kati Kons: Yeah, no, that is, that is good. Um, I, um, one of my clients is a bridesmaid in someone else’s wedding and didn’t know what to wear and came to me asking me to style them and was like, oh, uh, the bride doesn’t have any parameters whatsoever.
And I said, not even color. And she goes, oh yeah, I guess she gave us green and blue. I said green or blue. Not even like, not even like a shade, either one. There was, there was absolutely no parameter and no dress type. It doesn’t have to be a dress even. It can be pants, it can be anything. Um, which is great.
I like, I love flexibility, but at the same time, it’s like, you know, she has an idea of what she wants to wear and she has an idea of what standing out means. But I feel like. Everyone’s interpretation of like standing out and like being interesting at the same time, which is what bridesmaids want to do is be interesting, but not stand out too much.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Is like
Kati Kons: different in everyone else’s heads. And I feel like that’s really challenging balance to, like, it’s a balancing act and it’s really hard to strike that balance when you don’t communicate that with the bride.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And the
Kati Kons: bride doesn’t communicate exactly what she wants. So I’m like trying really hard to help her with this task, especially when I’m not in communication with the bride myself.
Christa Innis: So, yeah, that’s hard when there’s a middle person. Yeah. I feel like a lot of the stories I hear or see it all comes down to communication too. ’cause it’s like if a bride, you know, maybe is like, maybe there’s a weird tension with one of the bridesmaids or something, and then the one bridesmaid like picks a dress that’s like a loud color or something, but they never really communicate what the expectations were of being a bridesmaid or vice versa.
It’s hard to like. Get on the same page if they don’t communicate, I don’t know. Or if it’s like a husband’s cousin or something, so they’re not close.
Kati Kons: I just also feel like it’s really hard when you’re like a bridesmaid and there’s like some people that are like, oh, I can afford to pay $400 for a dress, and other people can’t.
And it’s like, how do you shove the expectation on people to like pay for some things and not other people? I don’t know. It’s so challenging. So I had another client subsidize her bridesmaids where she was like, oh, I want them in like $600 dresses, so I’m gonna give them $500 each and they’re gonna have to pay the rest of the way, or whatever.
Okay. And I was like, that’s a really good idea. But then she was like. But I want them in $800 shoes. And I was like, girl, oh my gosh, that’s like a crime. You can’t do that. Um, and so we had to have a conversation about expectations. But anyways, um, that was, uh, it was, it was really nice on her end to be like, oh, I wanna subsidize part of the way because she wanted a certain look to like her, she wanted her bridesmaids to look a certain way and like have a certain aesthetic that she knew couldn’t be done with a smaller budget.
And so Right. That was definitely a great way to like ensure that at least it was there in some respect. Right,
Christa Innis: right. And
Kati Kons: I think not a lot of brides prioritize that. And I think they should.
Christa Innis: Well, yeah, and I feel like I’ve heard that a lot. It’s like they have all these expectations, but don’t kinda look at the budget of each individual person.
Mm-hmm. Um, I feel like, I look back at weddings I was in in my early twenties, and I think the first couple, they were pretty good. Like where it was like, okay, we were all just like right outta college. We were all pretty broke, you know? Mm-hmm. Exactly. And then as you kind of get a little bit older, like maybe you’re a little more in your career, but definitely mid twenties when I was in my wedding in weddings, I was still was spending way outta my budget because it was like bachelorette party, you’re, you’re paying for bridal shower, you’re buying gifts for each thing.
It all just adds up. And I was in weddings where brides wanted very specific. Most were, I would say most were laid back, but it was like very specific colors. Mm-hmm. And styles of shoes or something. Luckily not $800, so I couldn’t complain too much. But that’s why when it got time for mine, again, it was like a $99 dress.
I know on the website, I think my maid of honor, her dress was like 40 because they had like a sale. And I was like, buy yours now. Buy yours now. And so I was like, I want everyone to feel comfortable, like, yeah, wear shoes you already have, don’t spend extra money. I
Kati Kons: mean, like, we’re me and my friends, what’s so funny is like I’m, I’m 25, like we’re not, we’re not 22, 25 is like young, but like, I mean, we’re being the first being married out of our, all of the friends, you know, I feel like this responsibility to make everything cheap.
And we didn’t do bachelorette parties. We didn’t do any of, we didn’t do wedding parties. We didn’t make anyone pay for things. The only thing is we wanted people to be here. Yep. And, and, and, yeah. And we, they were here, you know? Yep. And that was awesome for us. We didn’t do a registry even, we didn’t ask people, we didn’t do bridal showers.
We didn’t do any of that. Um, which we didn’t. We’re non-traditional people, so that didn’t feel like we needed to do that at all. Um, but like, I don’t know, paying for things seems like such a big thing right now because of the economy, you know? But like, if I were, if I were like, I don’t know, I’m, I’m, I don’t feel like I’m millennial, but like if I were a millennial and I was like getting married in the time when all the millennials were getting married, like if I were my sister and like, I don’t know, everyone was doing those things.
And like I had the choice between like a $4,000 wedding dress and a $6,000 wedding dress and that $2,000 delta. Or I could take the $2,000 and subsidize my bridesmaid’s wedding or their dresses Yeah. To like get them to wear something much cooler. I would do that. I. Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like people don’t do that and they should.
As a fashion stylist, I feel like if you’re gonna dictate what your wedding party is wearing, it better be something much higher fashion, you know? Mm-hmm.
Styling Weddings with Color Theory & Confidence
I had to wear, when I was a bridesmaid, a very boring dress. It was like just a plain sage green. How long
Christa Innis: ago? A plain sage green, you said?
Kati Kons: Yeah.
Christa Innis: How long ago was the
Kati Kons: wedding?
Uh, it was April, 2020. Uh, f*ck. 2022.
Christa Innis: Okay. So like three years ago. So I was thinking like when my, the first wedding I was in, which was, oh my God, I feel so old saying this. 14 years ago, like 13 years ago, I was a junior in college. Anyways, it was that everyone had the same bridesmaid dress style. Yeah. We all
Kati Kons: had the same one too, and that was three years ago.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I can you imagine? Yeah.
Kati Kons: Sorry.
Christa Innis: I love the individual going on. I love the individuality now. I love, I’ve been in a lot of weddings where we all wore the same dress and then it started moving to like wear the same color but different styles. Mm-hmm. Mine was like, pretty much wear the same color or same color, but there was like three color options in the same family.
It was like mauves, whatever. Yeah,
Kati Kons: yeah, yeah. That’s cool. But,
Christa Innis: but yeah, I was, but I see, the thing is, if I had a stylist, I feel like I would be one I love now where they have like different colors, but it just goes together. Mm-hmm. I’m not like, I don’t have the eye for that, so I’m just like, you know what, pick one off.
There’s,
Kati Kons: there’s a very easy way to do that. It’s so easy and all you have to do is play with the color wheel a little bit. Because like, you don’t wanna do something. Well, first of all, you have to do a bunch of different colors. Right. But you can’t use all of the colors. You have to take like two of them out.
So if you’re gonna do like a rainbow, like take out your reds and like any your reds and anything close to a red, uh, pinks are cute oranges if only if they’re bright. Right. Don’t do like a burnt orange. Right. Okay. Like what I’m wearing right now. Like, take out your red. Yeah, but it’s like, it’s like something super warm, like a red.
Don’t do that. Right. Okay.
Christa Innis: Okay. Okay.
Kati Kons: And then you have to maintain, it’s like kind of, it’s kind of like using color theory, but like I’ve never been trained in color theory. The only, so my experience using this color theory is what I’ve been taught as an 8-year-old in art class. So, love it. Literally just like keep that in the back of your mind as I tell you this.
Is that the way that I do it? Is like complimentary colors are like opposite colors on the color wheel.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Kati Kons: Um, and you would use like bright, you know how you would use bright colors with darker colors, right. And opposite colors.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Kati Kons: Um, you would just basically play with that and take away one color of all of ’em, like red I said, or whichever color you don’t like, red, blue, whatever.
Okay. Um, and then play with the rest of the, and make one of ’em, not neon, but really bright, um, as your accent color.
Christa Innis: Okay.
Kati Kons: I feel like we should, I feel like I should show you this as in real time, but um, here
Christa Innis: I’ll just show you my purse. You are like, let me just like whip something together.
Kati Kons: Yeah. Oh, this is a, is this a good example?
This doesn’t have any blues on it.
Christa Innis: Okay. So yeah, because it all goes together because you’re not take, you’re taking out one of the main Yeah. I wanna start like, noticing this and like looking around because so many fashion is all
Kati Kons: just observing if you Yeah, I was just having this conversation with someone today.
Oops. Fashion is just observing. Um, but yeah, color theory is interesting. It’s just like, um, like, you know how, you know, the, when I was young, they always taught in color class and art class. I used to talk about all the time, uh, the sports teams, uh, football team jerseys. Mm. Like if you think about marketing in, uh, sports, uh, like the Seattle Seahawks, the like neon green and the navy blue.
Mm-hmm. That’s like a very intentional marketing thing. Um. What else? I always thought that like the Vikings, the, the gold and the purple a very bad choice. And the Packers is now, it’s iconic, being gold and green, but I feel like is also a bad choice.
Christa Innis: That was my high school colors. Oh God. We were the Gators.
Where are you from? Uh, Chicago suburb.
Bridesmaid Drama & Digital Boundaries
Kati Kons: Oh really? Me too. Oh yeah. Well, let’s talk about that. I now I’m scared. Where, where are we from? Are we from the same suburb? Are are we neighbors? No. My God. Wait, who’s the Gators? Do I know? The Gators? Let me think. Me and also my partner. I might
Christa Innis: even pull this out ’cause I’m like so secretive about where
Kati Kons: I live.
I don’t, I don’t know if I know the Gators. So let me think about this for a minute.
Christa Innis: There’s the Florida Gators, you know,
Kati Kons: Stevenson?
Christa Innis: Stevenson.
Kati Kons: Oh, nevermind. I feel like Stevenson was green. That’s why I, oh, Stevenson
Christa Innis: High School. I’ve heard of that.
Kati Kons: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Who did I just meet? I just met someone that said they went to Stevenson.
Someone messaged me on. TikTok. So if you’re listening, Hey, uh, she messaged me, I think she said she went to Stevenson and she was like, you talk about being from Chicago on your podcast. And I was like, oh, I didn’t realize I did that, but yeah.
Kati Kons: What suburb is it?
Christa Innis: Huh?
Kati Kons: What suburb is it?
Christa Innis: I’ll tell you when we don’t record, or I guess I can take it out.
Oh, that’s
Kati Kons: fine. That’s so fair. I mean, I guess like, I don’t think, I’m never gonna live there again. I am in Washington DC right now, and yeah, I feel like, I don’t know. I got docs on the internet a couple months ago in which people found my old Instagram account and I deleted it by now. But like they found my old Instagram account, they found a bunch of old sh*t on the internet from me and like put my address on the internet.
Christa Innis: Oh my God. That’s like my nightmare.
Kati Kons: It was like kind of bad. Um, long story short, don’t, um. Do a lot of things that I did, which is actually, actually don’t, don’t be a right wing troll on the internet. How about that? Um, anyways, yeah. Um, I literally was about to do something anyways, don’t don docx people on the internet.
Thank you. Yes. And then, uh, so I feel like that’s fine. But I grew up in a suburb of Chicago, not yours though, because I think I would’ve known by now. Because I don’t know a gator in that area. But anyways,
Christa Innis: people are gonna be like searching like gators. I don’t live there now, so it doesn’t really matter.
But I’m like, I’m like very private online, and I’m like, if people seek No, you should be, no, I
Kati Kons: think
Christa Innis: that’s a really
Kati Kons: good thing
Christa Innis: because there’s just like, like what you just said. Um, I had a girl on here that said,
Kati Kons: I was like, the f*ck. But it, uh, it’s a good thing because I, uh, and you should know this for the future, if you ever get docs, you can request to scrub things from Google.
And so I did and it was gone. Oh,
Christa Innis: well, there you go. All right. Well that’s a, that’s a good lesson. Yeah.
Kati Kons: Yeah. And I’m so sorry for derailing the conversation like four times, but, um,
ADHD, Creativity & Queer Wedding Fashion
Christa Innis: oh my gosh. You’re, uh, let’s, let’s go back, well, since we kind of just jumped in, can we just like introduce who you are and what you do?
I know we kind of went backwards, but I, um, I feel like it would give more context to why we’re talking about styling so much. So tell us about your brand, who you are and all that good stuff.
Kati Kons: I am Kati. I am a queer fashion stylist, and I mostly do weddings and non-traditional weddings, um, because there’s no process for finding non-traditional wedding attire, um, or wedding attire that isn’t like a suit or a dress.
Um, to clarify. Um, and what were your other questions? I have a DHD. I just already lost it. Oh, good. I
Christa Innis: think that’s why we’re vibing so well. I haven’t, okay. I haven’t been officially diagnosed, but my whole life I’m like, I’m pretty sure I have a DD or a DHD. No. Then you probably do. It’s, I get like, either very focused or I’m just like, woo, where are we?
What are
Kati Kons: we talking about? Yes. That’s a DHD. It’s, it’s not the lack of focus, it’s the reregulation of it. Right? Yeah. If
Christa Innis: I don’t plan out my day. I’m all over it. That’s why I’m a planner. That’s why I love planning sh*t, because if I don’t, I am.
Kati Kons: That’s really good. I, I don’t, I really should plan out my day because when I do it, I’m so on, you know?
Yes, yes. That’s the thing.
Christa Innis: I think people don’t think we have the capabil, I say we now. I’m like, now I’m a part of the a d We don’t, people don’t get us. No. Um, yeah.
Kati Kons: It’s okay.
Christa Innis: No, it’s just like, I think like the
Kati Kons: diagnosis is just a label.
Christa Innis: Okay. It’s just a label. Yeah. No, I just feel like once I was really able to like get organized, that’s when I was like, okay, that’s my magic power.
I can get organized and I can get stuff done if I don’t, you able
Kati Kons: to like control your brain is just an unmatched thing. Yeah. It’s crazy. Once you be able to, once you’re able to like literally control, wield your power, it’s. I just feel like it’s your brain is actually able to do more than other people.
I can’t explain it, but yes, sometimes my
Christa Innis: husband’s like, like, I’ll like bring up something else I’m working on. And he’s like, aren’t you already doing this? And I’m like, I don’t even know what just happened. Like, I just get outta the, I full disclosure. Right. Right now we have a, we have a two bedroom, so I work from, I’m in my closet.
Fun fact. So we gotta make spaces work. Um, and so I will come out of our room and I’m like, I just, I just got so much done and like I’ll like show him. He’s like, how did you do that? And I’m like, I focus mode, but if I don’t have a plan and I waste like a couple hours, I’m like so hard on myself. I’m like, what?
Kati Kons: Yeah. I feel like it’s like, I don’t know if, if I’m on, I can like do more than most people and if I am just like, uh, so not focused. I like waste so much time. It’s so terrible. But yeah, I feel something. Um, what was your,
Reshaping Non-Traditional Wedding Fashion
what I, did I have to introduce?
Christa Innis: Yeah. So. So talk about portrait of a bride on Fire. How you got started, how you got into it.
Yeah, how I got started.
Kati Kons: Okay. Um, well, I got started because I got engaged and I identify as like somewhere in between, like female and non-binary. It just kind of depends on the moment. Um, and not like I wake up one day and I’m non-binary and I wake up one day and I’m a woman. It’s just like I don’t care to do the soul searching is the moment, I guess.
Uh, like, yeah. And so, but I, but in my day to day, I love wearing dresses and skirts, so when I got engaged I was like really, really into like wedding dresses and I got really into like the whole wedding fashion scene. But what became super apparent to me was like, there is. Nothing outside of wedding dresses for anyone outside of white wedding dresses for anyone that was non-traditional at all.
Right?
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Kati Kons: And there were just no options. None. And the thing is, all the wedding dresses were the same too. There were like 10 different styles and there were like 10 variations of those 10 styles and that’s it. And there were not even non-traditional white wedding dresses. It was so crazy to me.
’cause like to find the non-traditional white wedding dresses, they were like, I don’t know, like on Etsy that you had to order mm-hmm. From across the earth, like you couldn’t try them on. It’s just so weird. It was such a weird thing to me. Anyways, I got really frustrated because there were no like even pants or jumpsuits at the wedding shops in town, and.
Suit shops were obviously only for people who were like strictly traditional men. And there was like nothing in between and there was no color anywhere mostly. And it was just like nothing. And so I started like kind of, I wanted to get into like what I loved the wedding dress situation. And I just started learning about wedding dresses a lot.
But I wanted, I started posting on TikTok because I started to get into like content creation at the time. Um, and so I kind of started, um, wanting to help people find their non-traditional wedding attire. And so that’s kind of how I got into it, is like I got into it myself and then I got into wanting to help people ’cause I realized that they didn’t have it.
Um, you know, they didn’t have a means of finding it. And also there wasn’t a lot of it, so that made it. Twice as hard. Um mm-hmm. And so that’s how I started is I started in like wedding fashion and now I do like wedding fashion styling. So I help you throughout the journey of finding your wedding attire and also styling the accessories and all the little details of your wedding outfit.
And then I also do personal styling on the side, and I do some like. Like red carpet styling, event styling as well, just like to a much smaller scale than um, the other two things. Mm-hmm. Um, and yeah, I do kind of a lot of things because I just kind of take on things that I wanna do and I don’t, and I only, I don’t really say no unless I really don’t wanna do it.
So,
Christa Innis: yeah. When you say non-traditional wedding dress, and you’re talking about like jumpsuits, I, I remember. When I was engaged and I was like starting to plan into my wedding, I, um, I’m a, my friends all know me. Like when I was a bridesmaid, I was like, the jump, I love a good jumpsuit. Like, so for like three weddings I was in, I wore a jumpsuit.
Good. Because they like looked like kind of dresses. So it like, looked like uniform, especially like a palazzo pant or something where the wide leg was like flowy. Yes. I loved it. It was so, and then you’re on the dance floor and you’re like, I can do my thing. Like, you know, you can do the splits, you can do whatever you want.
Yeah. If I wanted to learn how to do the splits that night, I would be okay. But yeah, it was just like, so I loved, but I remember seeing a lot of the bridal jumpsuits starting to come out more and more. I wore one to my rehearsal dinner, but not the actual wedding.
Queer Wedding Fashion Beyond the Binary
So when you say untraditional wedding dress, what kind of, like, are you looking for personally or like, do you look for like for brides or couples getting married, um, that, that come to you for that kind of unique look?
Kati Kons: Yeah. So I feel like, um. I, the reason I say I’m like a queer wedding fashion stylist is because there’s like no one that tailors their services to the queer community. And I don’t want to be exclusive of other non-traditional people that want these kinds of services, but I know that there’s no one else that, that actually tailors their services to the queer community.
And I think that’s important, especially in pride month and like this time, day and age, when like queer people are like just being targeted left and right, right? Mm-hmm. So, but uh, to take a step back, I think like the attire that is non-traditional is more like the drama of a dress, but like the comfort of pants, right?
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Kati Kons: Mm-hmm. And like. Like you just described, a jumpsuit is like gonna give you the mobility and the freedom to do what you want when, but you get the, like, the prettiness of make a dress, you know, Uhhuh. Um, and I think a lot of people when they come to me is they’re like, I want the drama moment of a dress, meaning I want a train, meaning I want the details and I want the, like, I want the like princess or prince or something where it’s like, I want the grandeur of like that.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. But
Kati Kons: I don’t, but I don’t want to be in that level of femininity of a dress.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Because
Kati Kons: they feel secure in pants.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I love, and I think
Kati Kons: a lot more people do feel secure in pants than dresses.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Kati Kons: Yeah. But like suits are just like out of the f*cking question for a lot of people, so, you know.
Yes, yes. Especially ’cause like the there the options for like suits or like. Traditional man suits, which are like, you know, f*cking boxy as sh*t. And then there’s like women’s suits, which are like business suits that you wear to like corporate events. You know, there’s not like a, what does it feel like?
And then there’s like the other accessible suits you find out like fast fashion places, you know, there’s no like good accessible suits for women that are like quality sh*t that you can just find. Yeah. I don’t know, like where would you even look for that? I’m like, off the top of my head, I don’t even have an answer.
And I’m a fashion stylist that makes me so angry.
Redefining the Wedding Experience
Christa Innis: Do you ever like want to like work with a designer and like design like your own? I don’t know. I feel like you have such an eye for that stuff where you could like design. I do that for some
Kati Kons: clients.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Kati Kons: Some clients look for custom options. And I do work with designers to design custom attire when they have the budget for it.
It’s just way more expensive. Of course. So I
Christa Innis: bet. Yeah. Yeah.
Kati Kons: I love, I love that because it’s like really, really fun to go through the whole beginning to end process of being like, let’s formulate your vision. And like what’s so fun is being like being able to see where someone has a vision and being able to be like, okay, but we can make it so much cooler than that.
Like, yeah, so much cooler than what you have seen on these random Pinterest boards that are just like probably so limited. Mm-hmm. And like, let me show you some even cooler stuff. You know what I mean? Like Yeah, like let’s show you some stuff and then like, let’s draw and like, let’s do all this stuff with the designer.
Like it is so cool to watch everything develop and I’m not a designer so I can’t, like, I can’t sketch and I can’t, you know, make garments. But like seeing that chick from beginning to end is the coolest thing in the world. And then me being able to like. Pick out their shoes and like walk them through their hair and makeup and accessory.
Oh my God. It’s such a fun, it’s such a fun moment. Like putting together. Yeah. Okay. So
Christa Innis: you mentioned you just got married two weeks ago. Mm-hmm. Congratulations. So Thank you. When it came to planning or putting together your own wedding mm-hmm. Like what were things that were the bat you were like, this is what we want, and what were some things that you were like, we no, we’re definitely not doing that.
And you said no wedding party. Yeah, yeah. Sorry.
Kati Kons: Um, so we, uh, as young queer people, we were non-traditional in nature and we said, no florals. We did not spend any money on florals. And my, we did spend a lot of money on a photographer. Um, and my photographer is Lindsay Michelle in Boston, and she is amazing. Um, but I knew her way before because of what I do.
I knew her way before our wedding and she knows me well. So she was like, I need you to get a personal floral because I need you to have something in your hand. I need you to have a hand accessory. You’re gonna thank me later because she knows me. She knows I’m gonna want the whole look, right. Mm-hmm. I’m gonna want my whole look to be done.
And I was like, you’re right. I’m gonna want not a flo, a personal floral, I’m gonna want a purse. And so I got a purse with flowers in it. Oh, cute. Yeah. But we didn’t get any florals. And the other things that we did differently is. We did it in our apartment.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Kati Kons: We walked in together, no bridal party, uh, ceremony.
And then
we didn’t do like a, a dance situation. We just went to dinner afterwards. I love that. Yeah. It was pretty like chill and laid back. It was really nice.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah. I love when you go in like on the same page, knowing what you want. ’cause I think so many times couples get caught up with like, unsolicited advice coming in of like, you need this, do this.
And then you end up having this day where you don’t even enjoy it ’cause you’re like, I’m doing this for everybody else. Not yes. For us.
Kati Kons: And I think that’s tremendously challenging, but also I am, I said this to my partner, I don’t know if you can, uh uh. Like, if you relate to this, but I’m so lucky that I didn’t have a childhood dream of a wedding because I didn’t have to deal with any expectation around what I thought my wedding would look like.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Kati Kons: Uh, and I just feel as if a lot of people, especially a lot of young women, grow up with a dream of what their wedding would look like and like when you get to be in adulthood in terms of like finances and in terms of just like where you are in life and execution and, and so many different things.
Mm-hmm. It just like can turn out so different and I just, like, sometimes it’s a good thing and sometimes it’s not. And like, I’m just so glad I didn’t have any expectation because I had the best f*cking day in the world, you know? I love that. Yeah. And so
Christa Innis: I just,
Kati Kons: I’m so glad I
Christa Innis: had no expectations. That’s such like good advice too.
And I’m so glad you said that because a lot of people probably don’t know this. ’cause I don’t even know if I’ve said it before, but, and then I find it surprising ’cause I have a wedding podcast or mostly like wedding content. But I was never the girl that was like, I can’t wait to get, be a bride. I can’t wait to have my wedding.
I never visualized it either. And I don’t think it was until like, being in a bunch of weddings and then like, I met my husband and like, you know, at that time we, like, we were engaged for like a hundred years. So like, we were like, kind of like knew what things we wanted and didn’t want. And so I feel like, yeah, it was just like a way different, I didn’t want the big ballroom.
Mm-hmm. I didn’t want the big Cinderella dress. I, that just wasn’t my thing. Yeah. And my parents were also ones to, they never like pressured and were like, oh, when you get married, when you do this, like, they were just never like that. And I, I’m glad because I wasn’t like, oh, I’m gonna be a princess on my day.
And I was just, I just. Never had that vision. And I remember even my makeup artist being like, you’re like the most relaxed bride I’ve ever done makeup for. And I was like, well, I figure at this point everything’s done. If something goes wrong, like we’re all here, like, yeah, have a good time. Like what am I to worry about?
Kati Kons: We always wanted, we always wanted was like we, we didn’t want the like, big event situation, but we did want is like a smaller micro wedding, like around 50 people or less. Um, but we wanted to have everyone there for like a weekend, like wherever we did, just so like we had people there for longer. So it was like a longer experience, but like a smaller amount of people so that I wasn’t like super.
Overwhelming, but that we had more time to spend so that we could like, you know, um, have a lot more experience, which I feel like is now becoming more of a thing with like, welcome parties and brunch afterwards and like, which I totally get because I think it’s so fun to spend a whole weekend with your people.
Especially, it’s like the one time everyone’s in town for you, it’s like mm-hmm. You might as well make it worth it, you know?
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Kati Kons: People are
Christa Innis: flying in or driving in, like have like different things set up or like plan to like hang out. I think
Kati Kons: it’s so worth it. I, and I think like a week long might be a little extra, but I’m like, at least making it a weekend I feel like would be so fun.
Christa Innis: Yeah,
Kati Kons: it works fun, at least for us, so
Christa Innis: yeah. I love that. Okay, let’s get into, because I know we’re kind of, we’re running on our A DH ADHD time in a longer time. No. Um, okay. Let’s get, if you don’t, I hope you
Kati Kons: don’t have a, I hope you don’t have a 6:00 PM Um, no, I don’t. Okay, good. Okay. I’m good. We’re, we’re good?
We’re good. Let’s go.
Christa Innis: Just have my family where they’re fine. Okay. Rapid fire. This is just pick one or the other, whether it’s your own, I don’t know, as a, I don’t know why I’m like introducing it. Just rapid fire. Let’s just pick one. Okay. Okay. Classic ballroom wedding or outdoor garden party.
Kati Kons: Outdoor garden party.
Christa Innis: Minimalist. Chic or bold and colorful.
Kati Kons: Bold and colorful.
Christa Innis: Veil or no veil?
Kati Kons: No veil.
Christa Innis: Custom gown or off the rack.
Kati Kons: Oh sh*t.
Is this for me or a client? Either, I mean,
Christa Innis: just in general, I guess, custom gown, uh, one photographer or photography and video package, one photographer first look photos or traditional aisle reveal. First look match your wedding style or your to your home aesthetic. Yes or no? Yes. Bridesmaids. Same dress.
Different dress or totally mismatched. Mismatched statement. Shoes or statement earrings.
Kati Kons: Statement, shoes.
Christa Innis: And then what’s one style trend that you wish couples would leave behind? Like, or just, or just any trend. You’re just like sick of seeing. Oh. Um, not to put you
Kati Kons: on the spot,
I know this one’s supposed to be rapid fire and I feel like I’m blanking now. It’s okay if you don’t have one too. I feel like I don’t, which is pretty wild, but I definitely do. I’m just blanking.
Christa Innis: No, no, it’s all good. If I think
Kati Kons: about it later, we’ll bring it up.
Christa Innis: Yeah, yeah. Okay. Awesome. Um, I think, well, I feel like we talked a lot of that about the wedding hot takes as we were kind of just talking.
What does Steven earrings at weddings?
Kati Kons: I’m still, I think that’s why I am blocked is because I am literally no one wears statement earrings at weddings.
Christa Innis: Okay. This might be a dumb question. What is a statement earring? Just like a big, bold earring. Mm-hmm. Like as, like,
Kati Kons: I’m just thinking of like a statement necklace where they’re just like, chunky.
What’s a statement? Yeah. But like statement earing is like, is like Yeah. Really wild and big and people don’t really do that at weddings. Yeah. I,
I don’t know. It’s true. People don’t really wear necklaces at all at weddings anymore, though.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I wear like the mo I wore like the most simple, I I wore my mom’s. They do.
Kati Kons: It’s like a, it’s a very simple thing. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Because it’s like you’re wearing this like beautiful gown or whatever you’re wearing that you want most, most of the attention on.
Kati Kons: What’s the style thing that people should be, should leave it home. I feel like the answer is so many things, honestly.
Christa Innis: You said no veil quickly. Do you think veils are outdated?
Kati Kons: Well, like j in like the theory of it? Yeah, but like, oh yeah. Like, yeah, just like a garter, like in theory. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Like it’s disgusting in theory, but it’s like, I mean, it’s like cute. I mean, like, you should not have, if you, even if you have a garter, you shouldn’t do a garter toss. Like that’s disgusting. You know what I mean? But like a garter’s kind of cutie if you have the right dress.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I just did one for a photo.
I don’t even know if they took a photo of it now. They might have just done it with like everything. Yeah. And veil was one thing. I was like, I’m not doing a veil. I don’t wanna a veil. But then I ended up up finding one for like down the aisle. I did not cover my face or anything. Yeah.
Kati Kons: But I was just like, it’s a very, very religious thing.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Kati Kons: And like, that’s, that’s fine. I just feel like if you’re gonna honor that tradition, honor that tradition. But if you’re like just wearing one to wear one, I just feel like we need to separate, I feel like we need to honor the tradition if we’re gonna wear a veil. I feel like we need to not be so nonchalant about wearing veils,
Christa Innis: in my opinion.
Kati Kons: Okay. Um, but I feel like there, I feel like I do have a very hot take about. Styles for weddings. Leave the white at home maybe. Um, I literally wore white to my wedding. Um, I don’t know.
Christa Innis: You Oh, like, you think like No. What? No. White at weddings.
Kati Kons: I just feel like it’s kind of, I would love to step away from it.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Kati Kons: Um, I don’t hate it. I just would love to step away from it. Do you ever
Christa Innis: consider wearing another color at your wedding?
Kati Kons: Yeah. Yeah. I just didn’t because, um, I didn’t wanna be too different from my partner and she wanted to, so I was like, I’m not gonna like, fight too much about it. Yeah. And I know that she, like, I wanted her to be super comfortable so I wasn’t gonna like, make it a thing, you know?
Right. I get that.
Christa Innis: Yeah. No, I’ve seen gorgeous black wedding dresses, never in person. I’ve just seen them on weddings and I was like, I love the look of that.
Kati Kons: Oh yeah. Well, we were both open to wearing either black or white, but. We found her dress that was in white first, and so we were like, okay, we’ll do that.
Christa Innis: Go along with the theme. I love it. Yeah. All right. Let’s get into this week’s wedding submission. So people send me these stories. I have not read it yet, so I don’t know what’s gonna happen and We’ll, please, I just
Why Dress Codes Need a Makeover
Kati Kons: thought of my thing. Can I tell you everything?
Christa Innis: Oh, yeah, please do.
Kati Kons: This is actually a long more of a long answer.
Um, this is not a rapid fire answer, and that’s probably why I didn’t think of it right away. Um, I have a hot take though in terms of a style thing that, okay. I leave at home. Um, and it’s just that I think formal attire, my definition of formal attire differs from the average person. Mm-hmm. But specifically at weddings.
Christa Innis: Okay.
Kati Kons: Uh, in that, like our wedding, our like dress codes at wedding, be it the guest dress code or just like what we were to, weddings in general needs to stay at home in general. Like we need to, those need to go die, um, because like they need to go to jail, like whatever, because they are so obnoxious and limiting for queer people specifically, or like any type of non-traditional person trying to feel themselves because like, how are you trying, how are you going to express yourself in a way that is outside of the social norm?
If you’re like not fitting into traditional standards of formal attire, if it’s not like a suit or a dress, right? Because if you think about it this way, people who don’t fit into the standard norms of traditional attire, suit or dress, if you’re a celebrity, all you do is wear something super chic, high-end fashion.
Maybe it’s a t-shirt and shorts, but it’s Balenciaga, and you still walk the runway and you still look chic as f*ck, and you’re still slaying. And that’s great because your name is Billie Eilish and it’s branded and it’s really cool, you know? Mm-hmm. And like, that’s awesome. But why do, why can you do that on the red carpet and not at a wedding?
Christa Innis: Hmm. Why
Kati Kons: are our, like, why is the decorum for a red carpet moment so different than the decorum at someone’s wedding? And I understand that the marketing moment is a little bit different than someone else’s wedding, but why is the formality of a red carpet event, which should be the most formal event. So different than the decorum of someone’s wedding, which should be your average Joe’s most formal event in your lifetime.
Right? So why does a celebrity’s red carpet like event have a different definition for formal than our, our average person’s definition Of formal? Because for queer people being something other than suit and dress is not acceptable. In our definitions of formal attire, there is no like, I’m gonna wear something outside of those norms that fits into formal, semi-formal black tie.
There’s nothing that fits into that. Experimenting into, into different things doesn’t fit into those categories because it’s not socially acceptable. Socially acceptable is what fits into those categories. Mm-hmm. And like there’s no way to like experiment with new things with those dress codes. It just doesn’t work.
Yeah. And so I’m like, my whole like goal, my purpose is to like try to change the definition to like align more with like the red carpet definition where like if you’re mo most comfortable in a t-shirt and shorts, like great, let’s f*cking elevate that. So it’s a red carpet t-shirt and shorts, you know what I mean?
Mm-hmm. Like, let’s get you a t-shirt. I know a lot of high-end t-shirt and shorts and it’ll look high-end as well. It’s not like it’s gonna look like Adam Sandler, like it’ll look high-end, you know what I mean? Like, uh. It’s like there are existing really, really nice and really, really cool embellishments on t-shirts and shorts.
So it’s like, we’ll get you there. But like, why isn’t that acceptable for a wedding? It wouldn’t be today, you know?
Christa Innis: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’ve never, so I’ve never been to a wedding where it’s like very specific, like, wear this. But I’ve seen more and more people do it where they’re like, only wear these three colors, or only wear this style of clothing.
And yeah, that’s, I feel like that’s, it’s a bit much sometimes like as the, like we’re talking to the planner, as the planner in me, sometimes I’m like, okay, here’s the vibe we’re going for. ’cause have you ever gone like invited to something and you’re like. What’s the, like, where are we getting married at?
What’s the style? Mm-hmm. Like, and you’re like, do I wear a formal dress? Do I wear a cocktail style dress? Am I wearing my jumpsuit? You know, that kind of thing. So I like some guidelines, but yeah, you’re, you make a really good point. No, direction is totally helpful.
Kati Kons: Mm-hmm. Like we talked about that with the wedding party.
It’s definitely true for the guests as well because like, I dunno, you don’t wanna, you don’t wanna be like the one that’s sticking out Yeah. At someone else’s wedding. Um, but like, you also, as a queer person, especially going to like a hetero wedding as a queer person, you don’t wanna stick out too much and like, you wanna also be yourself at the same time.
Christa Innis: Hmm. It’s
Kati Kons: like a really hard balance. Um, and like, I don’t know, I just feel like a lot of queer people have a hard time with formal attire and like weddings are just like one of the hardest places to be, I think. Um. Mm-hmm. Yeah, because like a lot of the options for like androgynous attire, I think are too adventurous for like a cape or like a, a scarf around your neck I feel like would be too flamboyant.
Um, because like if I said gender neutral, you, like, most people would think masculine, right? Yeah, that’s true. Um, ’cause like gender neutral in my head means like gender fluid or androgynous or something that’s like a mix of both. Um, but like that would mean it has to be somewhat feminine. Right? And most people would think it, it means like a suit, like masculine, something that’s like at least neutral and masculine.
So it’s acceptable to everyone, you know?
Christa Innis: I never thought about that. You’re right. Yeah. Yeah. Gender neutral. And so it’s like more masculine.
Kati Kons: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: And
Kati Kons: so it’s like. It’s really challenging to find something that is actually androgynous or like gender neutral or something that’s like acceptable for people to feel comfortable in, because that is oftentimes not the expectation of everyone else.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Kati Kons: Yeah. It’s really hard. Um, but the only reason I say that is because I feel like there’s a lot of, like people whose expectations about formal attire are very different from like, um, queer people whose expectations for formal attire are like very different. Yeah. I just feel like we need to all dress ourselves in a way that makes us happy and walk away and that’s it.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Kati Kons: I feel like, like we, somebody said to me once on TikTok, somebody said to me once on TikTok, I posted a video, I. They said what looks like non-traditional formula attire to you for someone’s wedding. And I posted a bunch of pictures that were of the wedding, the designer that designed my wedding attire and I love her.
Her name is Ophelia. She’s great. One of the pictures was of like a sheer silk organ organza hoodie, and it was a mini dress, a hoodie, mini dress. It was gorgeous. And it was like, like again, like silk organ organza, oversized hoodie. Like really cool. And they were like draw or uh, I’m sorry, draw strings.
Draw strings. Like on a hoodie.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Kati Kons: Are not, have no place in formal at tire. Why is that there? And I was like. Like you’re really telling me something like silk organza has no like place in formal attire. Like you have no idea what you’re talking about. You know what I mean? Right. This person like literally has no idea what they’re talking about, but like we are so twisted in what we think formal attire means and our like understanding of like suit and dress is all rooted in like white supremacy and patriarchy.
It’s so terrible. So it’s like something we really need to shift our understanding into.
Christa Innis: Mm,
Kati Kons: sorry. That was a, that was a rant, but it felt like that needed to be said.
Christa Innis: No, I loved it. I love, I love the hot takes. I love, ’cause I feel like it opens up good discussion for, you know, people listening too to be like, wait, I never thought about it that way.
Or, you know, I think you’re, I think you’re right about, you know, the weddings in general or events in general put a lot of pressure on people to fit a certain mold and, and there’s like expectations of like how to look, how to dress. And, um, and I feel like as a, you know, as a queer stylist, you’re sharing so much more from your perspective and what you see personally, and I think that brings a whole new, uh, whole new take on it.
No, I, I’m, I appreciate, I see.
Kati Kons: I’ll say one more thing about queer weddings versus hetero weddings. You see, you know, when people try to, uh, theme their weddings sometimes mm-hmm. Or themes or, oh, theme Yes. Dress codes
Christa Innis: mm-hmm. Or
Kati Kons: stuff like that. Um, the theme upstage the bride, um, more often you see that at queer weddings.
I don’t know why.
Christa Innis: Mm. That’s interesting. Yeah. I actually saw like a viral post about upstage the bride, and I loved it. And that was the first time I had seen it.
Kati Kons: I like, love that so much.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Do you think it like. I think about that. Yeah. I wonder if it’s like, it runs in because it’s like the traditional, like, you know, like hetero wedding, it’s like the traditional, like bride is the queen star of the
Kati Kons: show.
I don’t know. We talked about our dress code being like Met Gala themed for a long time. Uh, just so that everyone popped the f*ck off. Um, ’cause we wanted something like that. Uh, and then we realized we didn’t want people spending a ton of money, uh, just on the retirement. Yeah. Um, so we did do that. But, um, I don’t know.
I don’t know. I don’t know what it is, but I don’t know what it is about like the traditional culture that like does that, but it’s interesting.
Christa Innis: Yeah, because I’ve even heard people say like, don’t wear, oh, like. Bright red dress to my wedding dress. Yes. Where is this and where does that come from? I don’t know.
And see, I’m someone where I’m like, I don’t care What? I didn’t care what people wore in my wedding. One of my closest friends wore a bright, like a hot pink dress and looked amazing on her. I had five people wear hot pink to my wedding. Yes. It was like, good,
Kati Kons: thank
Christa Innis: you. You look great. Yeah. Someone could have showed up at White.
White in my wedding too, and I would not have cared. I’m not that. My
Kati Kons: sister had like a white cardigan and she was like, I didn’t wanna outshine you. And I said, honey, no one’s outshining me today. I was like, are you kidding? Not worried. Are you kidding? And she was like, she was like, did you really just say that?
And I was like, do you really think you’re outshining me today?
Whose Day Is It Anyway?
Christa Innis: I feel like I’m not, I’m not worried in the slightest. Yeah. Yeah. I just feel like it’s like let people be themselves. I mean. I don’t know. I was not the least of my concerns of what people were wearing to my wedding. Yeah. I didn’t really care.
Okay. Let’s get into this story thing. Yeah. We’ll just react as it as we read it. Um, or I’ll just, we’ll just kind of stop and share our thoughts. Okay. Here we go. My older brother got engaged six months after I did, which annoyed my mother a bit. She would have preferred my wedding to happen first, but it didn’t bother me.
I was close to my brother and happy for him. He’d only been dating his girlfriend for a short time compared to me and my now husband who’d been together for years. My brother said, wait,
Kati Kons: wait, stop.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Kati Kons: He got engaged six months after she got engaged, or six months after she got married, I’m
Christa Innis: guessing, after she got engaged.
Kati Kons: Okay. So what’s the problem? Because the mom got upset.
Christa Innis: I think it’s like the mom thing of like, yeah. I get so many stories sent to me where parents or siblings get mad if like they’re not engaged or married first.
Kati Kons: That’s weird.
Christa Innis: It’s weird. And it’s like this rivalry or like sister-in-laws if like the younger one gets engaged first or married.
Yeah. There’s like so many stories like that. So like she doesn’t care, but it’s like the mom seems like annoyed by it.
Kati Kons: Okay. Okay.
Christa Innis: Weird. Okay. Sorry. Continue. Yeah. No, you’re good. Um, my brother set his wedding date for exactly one year after mine. I was pregnant at at his wedding due just a few weeks after the big day.
It was very warm day, which isn’t ideal when you’re heavily pregnant. My sister-in-law had booked their wedding in a local church right after a large parish event. The car park parking lot was packed when we arrived. And we are, we were nearly reversed into, oh my gosh, my reading skills. Here we go. Let’s try this again.
The car parking lot was packed when we arrived and we were nearly reversing into, oh my gosh, why is this? Just pretend like that didn’t happen. Okay. The car parking lot was packed when we arrived and we were nearly reversed into, on my side of the car. Not a great start. Then the bridal car broke down, so everything started late, which would obviously stress out even the calmest bride.
Before the wedding, my brother asked if we could make it to family photos, which were scheduled in a location that was out of our way, not because the church and the not between the church and the reception. I asked if they could take family photos at the church and do bridal party photos at the other location, but they said no.
So after the ceremony, which was only 10 minutes from my house, we went home so I could briefly rest and eat by that stage. I was very warm and very tired having been up early. Then my sister calls in a panic asking where we were saying that the photos were starting and we needed to hurry. We were 25 minutes away from the photo location.
Everything was running late due to the ceremony’s delay. We rushed there wondering why they couldn’t take photos. In the meantime, they were waiting on the bride’s, two brothers who were notoriously late. When we finally got to the wedding, uh, to take photos, my husband wasn’t the main, wasn’t in the main sibling shot, as in it was just my brother and his siblings.
After that, the bride approached my husband and complained that we were late saying it wouldn’t have happened at our wedding. I could see the anger in my husband’s face, but I didn’t know what was wrong until I, he told me later I was livid. It sounds like a lot of like, again, like the communication and just like people.
Wanting it their own way. Uh, for the rest of the day. I kept my distance from them and honestly, it ruined the day for the side of the family. For comparison, my own ceremony had been just five minutes from where we took family photos and the reception was only 20 minutes away. All minimal travel and on the same route.
Also, no one at my family was heavily pregnant. Her own sister was,
you can’t help that girl. I’m sorry. Uh, sorry. Can’t I, people get, um, or have gotten on me before when I like critique the story a little bit, but it sounds like she’s wanting to be catered to.
Kati Kons: A little bit, uh, a little bit. If,
Christa Innis: if they found a setting they really like for photos on their wedding day, they should be able to have it.
Kati Kons: Uh, and yes, her comparing the, um, the route being only five minutes away, like, I don’t know, we literally walked a mile from our apartment to the national Mall to go like, get food. And that’s like a 20 minute walk. Like, and we just did that for Fonzie.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Kati Kons: Like it’s, I dunno. And it was, it was cool and it was fine.
If it was 30 minute walk, we probably still would’ve done it. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Like, here’s the thing, like I, it sounds like a lot of people like were late and maybe, maybe they also got yelled at, you don’t know, right. Maybe you shouldn’t have gotten yelled at, but.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I mean, yeah, I’m sure. I mean, I’ve, I wasn’t maid of honor pregnant at a wedding.
I don’t, I wasn’t, I wouldn’t say heavily. I was like, well, I was, I was seven months, so I was pretty big. But like, I wouldn’t never have expected them to cater things to me, and I, I
Kati Kons: didn’t, yeah, that part of the story was kind of wild when she was like, I called to see if they could do photos at a different location.
Yeah. I was like, changed. I, I literally, I was like, was I supposed to react to that? ’cause I was like,
Christa Innis: I know. I was like waiting for the punchline. And I’m like, I’m not trying to come out hard on this ride, but like. Like we, the wedding I was in was like in December, we’re talking Chica, like this was downtown Chicago.
Cold. Yeah, cold. We’re outside. I’m not gonna be like, you know what? I’m pregnant. I’d rather not be outside right now. ’cause No, you just skip the photos. You’re not in ’em If you just skip it, just skip it. Yeah. It’s not, not, you’re just not
Kati Kons: in ’em. And like you say, sorry, I just can’t do it today. I’m pregnant as f*ck.
And like you walk away and like they do their thing and you do yours and that kind of sucks. But it is what it is. But you know.
Christa Innis: Yeah. We can’t, we can’t have our own expectations for other people’s weddings.
Kati Kons: No, no, no, no. That’s where you
Christa Innis: start getting irritated because it’s like. Let them have their day.
If you don’t agree with it, you don’t have to be a part of certain
Kati Kons: No. And I think that conversation probably should have happened before even she asked, can you move the pictures? Because if the bride was like, I’m so heartbroken that you couldn’t be here, let’s move the photos for you. That should have been a ball in her court decision rather than a I’m gonna ask you to move them,
Christa Innis: you know?
Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah. Oh my
Kati Kons: God.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. Okay, so this says her own sister was heavily pregnant at her wedding too, so she should have understood, but it doesn’t seem like there’s a problem with the sister.
Kati Kons: I thought she said no one was heavily pregnant at her wedding,
Christa Innis: um, at her own wedding. So this is at her brother’s wedding.
Kati Kons: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah. Yeah.
Christa Innis: And she said, so no one was pregnant at her wedding.
Kati Kons: Okay.
Christa Innis: But at this wedding, she’s pregnant as well as the bride sister. She couldn’t stand.
Um, a few days later when my brother and his now wife stopped by my mother’s house, she said to me when my brother was out of earshot that she should have had a word with me about everything. My mom shut that down and said she absolutely would not say anything to upset me, especially just weeks before I was due to give birth.
I mean, saying you’re gonna have a word with someone sounds very like, like, I don’t know, like older, like I’m gonna have a word with you. I don’t know. That sounds like someone trying to like, put you down. Like I feel like they maybe should communicate, but to say you’re gonna have a word with someone, I don’t know.
Um, I’d gone outta my way. Oh see, I’m already reading like, okay, this bride just want, or not bride. The sister wants to complain and I hate that it’s coming from the person that sent the story. ’cause it’s normally not. This way, but I feel like she feels like she was owed something. It says I’d gone out of my way to attend her bachelorette party, even though her own sister who was pregnant didn’t feel up to it.
So like she feel like, feels like she deserves a pat on the back, but I’m like, you didn’t have to go if you feel like she owed you. Um, and I was further along than she was the whole situation. Yeah. That
Kati Kons: doesn’t, yeah, girl, she could have been having like health issues with her pregnancy, right? Like you don’t know.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And it’s not like, well I did this for you, so you should move your photo shoot. That’s the thing
Kati Kons: is love is not transactional. Yes, yes.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Kati Kons: And if it feels transactional, then don’t go
Christa Innis: right. I feel like we see that so many times, like especially with weddings. Yeah. People think if I do this for you, then you owe me.
It’s like the parents paying for the wedding, you know, you hear so many, they’re like, well, I’m paying for it so I can invite my college friend who I, you’ve never met. It’s like,
Kati Kons: yeah, it’s how it works. I will actually, I’ll say a hot take on here. One of my best friends from high school, um, didn’t come to my wedding.
Um, she moved to Italy, uh, like five or six months ago. Okay. Um, to be with her fiance who like lives there. Um, and so he’s like from there and she just like couldn’t, she started a new job recently and she just like couldn’t make it back for the wedding. Like, I mean, very reasonable. Yeah. Um, and is also planning her wedding for September and like she liked to, didn’t confront me or tell me that she couldn’t make it.
She just like, a couple days before the wedding was like, I’m so sorry, I can’t come. And I was like, I wish you would’ve told me sooner.
Christa Innis: Oh yeah. And
Kati Kons: I was like, that sucks. ’cause I just like didn’t know. And I asked her a few times and she just like wouldn’t respond. And I was like, I wish she wouldn’t have ghosted me about it.
Yes. But like, that’s the problem is, and now I’m like, expected to go to her wedding in Spain in the fall. Um, but I’m gonna go, and I thought about this for so long because I was like, oh, I’m kind of upset that she did that. But I’m also like, she probably just like, feels bad and didn’t know how to handle it.
And like, like I just said, it’s not about transactional. Like, I’m not just not gonna go because she just like couldn’t come to mind.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Kati Kons: And she would’ve, but she could’ve, you know?
Christa Innis: Right. You’re such a good friend. No, I feel like, no, that’s. That’s really hard to pull yourself out of and be like, okay, would I not go because she did this?
Or, you know, because this happened, or it feels
Kati Kons: so sh*tty of me, right. To just not go to her wedding, you know? Yeah. That feels like so dumb. And I feel like, I don’t know, I feel so
Christa Innis: good. I, I catch that so many times with people and I think we do it like, and I’ve done it too, being like, oh, they didn’t come to this.
And it’s like, well wait, it’s not, they didn’t come to this, so I go to that or don’t go to that. It’s kind. I go to it and do I want to go to it? Like, yeah. And I
Kati Kons: do wanna go. Yeah. I’m like, even if she couldn’t be here, even if she could have handled it better, I’m like, she still like my friend, I still love her.
I like flew to Italy and I picked out her f*cking wedding dress. I wanna be there. I wanna see it on her. You know?
Christa Innis: Oh, that’s amazing.
Kati Kons: Yeah. So I’m like, that was kind of weird. And I forgive her and I haven’t talked to her. She actually sent me a gift. I should open it. But anyways.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Um, anyways, yeah. But RSVPs are important.
Like I, I. Hate
Kati Kons: response. I hate, yeah. Rss. VP people. Yes.
Christa Innis: I hate when like, you have to reach out to people and be like, Hey, I haven’t heard from you. Or when people give you a maybe or like, they’re just like, we, we had, we had that, we didn’t have to deal with it too much. But I’ve heard of that. That happens all the time where people just, it slips their mind or they’re like, oh, maybe like, I’ll get off work.
Or, you know, little things like that where they just kinda like keep you on on a tentative, I guess.
Kati Kons: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Um, it says the whole thing caused friction between me and my brother. And we had always gotten along well, honestly, I think she was just, oh, just jealous that we got married first and that I was pregnant at her wedding as if I was stealing her limelight.
I don’t, I hate that. I just, girl, I don’t
Kati Kons: know if that’s the case.
Christa Innis: I
Kati Kons: know. That makes me so
Christa Innis: sad. I know. ’cause I normally. I wouldn’t say side. I don’t wanna, I don’t pick sides, it’s just when I read it, I just respond, right? Mm-hmm. I’d say most of the time when whoever sends it to me, like they witness whatever happens, and I’m like, oh my gosh, that’s terrible.
This is the first time. I’m like, no, I think you’re reading. And is
Kati Kons: this really the first time that this has happened to you?
Christa Innis: Like this bad? I would say yeah. There’s been a few times, I shouldn’t say bad, but there’s been a few times, like I’ve done like YouTube readings of stories. Yeah. I like say like, I come hard on the bride a little bit, and I’m like, Ooh, but this didn’t happen.
Or you assumed that she was doing this. And the people in the comments are like, you’re coming up on this, coming hard on this bride. I’m like, well, I’m just trying to be levelheaded
Kati Kons: if I can. No, it, it felt, I don’t know. Changing the, changing the location of the pictures was wild to me because like, can you imagine if you were the planner?
Yeah. I’m expecting that they didn’t have a planner. The fact that she called to ask to move, I, they probably didn’t have a planner. Right. Right. ’cause can you imagine the planner’s f*cking face when she says your sister wants to move the location?
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh my God, she’s pregnant. Like, what? What? Um, that’s bonkers to me.
That is wild. I would never ask a bride to change a location no matter who I want. Change the logistics of your day, of your whole wedding day. And we’re talking 20 minutes. It’s not like an hour away. No, no, no. And even so, you don’t have to go. I know, like for one of my friend’s weddings, we, downtown Chicago, we took buses all around the city and we just took Yeah.
Pictures in different places. And that was like a, and I think, I wanna say she had a couple pregnant bridesmaids and mm-hmm. There was food and drink on the bus. Like, we were fine. She took care of us. I would never be like, Hey, you know what, can you, that’s wild because remember everyone listening, like you can say no to bachelorette party.
You can say no to being in a wedding. They don’t have to cater to you.
Kati Kons: I hate,
Christa Innis: I
Kati Kons: hate to, the whole bachelorette thing also gets me because I’m like, you could have said no. Yeah. I went and she didn’t. Is wild to me.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh.
Kati Kons: I feel bad for this girly though. I know. I feel bad because it, I just, uh, I want, I want her to just be like.
Christa Innis: I feel like there must have been some kind of animosity before, because if this all happened and then she’s getting the vibe that like, oh, she’s doing these things and purposely,
Kati Kons: I feel like maybe she’s bad at telling stories and we missed some key detail about this in that there’s like some childhood trauma or something that we’re missing because I feel like there, I don’t know.
I feel like this story is like way too transparently against her for Yeah,
Christa Innis: like what I like, gotta go back and make, make sure I didn’t miss like a first paragraph or something. I, I don’t know. I think it all started when here’s my, okay, here’s my take. And again, I might be reading into it, but it’s, it’s my job here, right?
So when she said, my mom seemed to be bothered by it, but I wasn’t, I think she was bothered by it. So I think like in her mind, this whole thing, she’s like thinking about the whole time like, oh, they’ve only been dating this long. Oh, they’re getting married right after me. And so I think then everything just kind of becomes a, like a silent competition.
Yeah. Oh, that’s how I’m reading it, because like
Kati Kons: Oh, and so yourself. Because, because it’s a competition. She’s like, I went to the bachelor party
Christa Innis: and I did this,
Kati Kons: and I I went to your wedding pregnant, and so you have to change the thing because of me. Yeah.
Christa Innis: And I planned out my schedule like this. But you did it like this and you weren’t thinking about me the pregnant one.
Oh. So that’s how I’m reading
Kati Kons: it. You’re right. Uhhuh. But
Christa Innis: I’m
Kati Kons: sorry. You’re right.
Christa Innis: You’re listening. And, sorry, I’m not trying to come hard on you. Um, so she said, okay, so she said that honestly, I think she was just jealous that we got married first and I was pregnant at her wedding as if I was stealing her limelight.
But how did. How would she make you feel that way? ’cause she wanted you in the wedding, in a part of the photos. So I don’t know. We’d been together much longer and I feel like she took out her frustrations on me because her wedding didn’t go as planned.
Kati Kons: I feel like maybe it’s just the other way around. I feel like sometimes people, um, I don’t know.
I feel like I’ve seen that sometimes where people who have been together for a long time and then people get married who have not known each other, who have not known each other for very long, get married and there’s like a weird competition between those two types of relationships because they’re like, oh, well you haven’t been together for very long.
Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? And they’re like, well, you don’t have to have known each other for very long. You know what
Christa Innis: I mean? Yes. They try to like belittle it. Yes. Yeah. I remember. Okay. So like I was saying earlier, like my husband and I have, we were engaged for. No, not engaged for, we were together for six years before we got engaged.
Just ’cause like, I never wanted to be like a super young married, we were, I was 23 when we got together. So anyways, that’s besides the point. But like couples that like met after us or started dating after us, but got married before us would make comments like, oh, like, like married comments. Like, they’d be like, oh, when you’re married you’ll get it.
And I’m like, we already live together. I’ve like, what do you mean? Like, oh, just something’s magically gonna happen when we get married. And I’m like, oh, now I understand. Like there was just so many comments of like almost belittling our relationship because we weren’t legally married. That’s so weird.
That’s so weird. Yeah, it happened more times I could count, I would just learn to just like shut my mouth because I was just like, that’s so
Kati Kons: weird.
Christa Innis: Because
Kati Kons: people are always like, oh, like do you feel different now that you got married? And I was like, no. I mean, we’ve lived together for how many years? Like, we literally, our life goes on and nothing changes the f*ck.
Christa Innis: You’re just like solidifying for yourself. Like Yeah, like
Kati Kons: we, we just decided to have a party for fun. I don’t know.
Christa Innis: Exactly. Yeah. I feel like once you like already like live together and like have your stuff all in a place together, it doesn’t really change much. No. But legally we get to save money on taxes, so that is,
Kati Kons: that is a plus.
Honestly, that’s so rude of the legal system. Like why sh*t on singles like that? It’s crazy. This, but they literally have to support themselves with one person’s income. That is so hard nowadays. And not only that, you’re gonna deprive them of tax benefits.
Christa Innis: I, yeah, it blows my mind. Speaking of crazy wedding stories that someone sent me about like.
Married versus like long-term partner. This girl sent me a story and she’s like, she’s a young adult, so she’s probably in her twenties, right. She said an aunt of hers got married and said, only married couples. She goes, my parents never got married, never got legally married, so they’ve been together 30, 40 years.
Right. My math might be off, but she’s like, my mom wasn’t invited because they’re not legally married. I thought, wait, they’re inviting the dad, they’re inviting his kids, but not the wife, or not the long-term partner because they’re not legally married. I thought, what a weird wedding rule.
Kati Kons: Am I lost?
What do you mean they’re not inviting the wi, they’re not inviting the wife. She’s, well, she’s not technically a wife.
Christa Innis: Right, right, right. But the Like the wife figure. The wife figure, yeah.
Kati Kons: Sot a wedding. It was like a wedding. It was like a fake wedding per se. Without the wife figure.
Christa Innis: Yeah. It was her dad’s sister.
So her aunt, and she was like, yeah, my mom wasn’t invited. ’cause they’re, it was married, couple couples only. Oh my God. When everyone’s document what? Oh, that’s great. I’m like, that blows my mind. Anyways, there’s one last paragraph here. Okay.
Kati Kons: Oh, here we go.
Christa Innis: I didn’t say much about it afterwards, but when my brother asked what she had said to my husband, it really stuck with me.
For years, the photographer didn’t want to deviate from the list of planned shots, but surely a professional. Okay, wait. So he said the photographer didn’t wanna deviate from his list of planned shots, which I agree with, but surely a professional could have worked around people being late. Plenty of other photos could have been taken while they waited.
I had to drive 30 extra minutes outta my way to the reception just to be in three photos, photos that could have been easily taken at the ceremony.
Kati Kons: I really tried to give her the benefit of the doubt.
Christa Innis: I’m trying, I really tried. This is, this isn’t, I hate to say this, but this is entitled, this is really entitled, Uhhuh. Oh, that sucks. But maybe this is a wake up call. I mean, I’m no therapist. I, I’m just literally just reading a story, reading a story. So maybe I’m understanding wrong.
If you’re listening and you’ve got more context, send it my way.
Kati Kons: Yeah. Please, please send a response. Yes, chime in. But yeah,
Christa Innis: that’s the lesson is, uh, if you are a part of a wedding, I mean, you can say no.
Kati Kons: Also, let’s, let’s also, another thing to take from that is get a planner. Because your photographer shouldn’t be your planner.
Christa Innis: Yeah. 100%.
Kati Kons: We hate that for planners or for photographers. That’s really rude. But, um, it like happens to a lot of photographers that they have to like, take over as planners when you don’t have one or a day of coordinator or something. But yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I got that vibe from my, my photographer literally was the best ever.
She had a full on timeline. Mm-hmm. And I talked to other brides, they’re like. They’re like, I don’t have one from my photographer. I was like, maybe mine’s like used to like people not having planners or something. Mm-hmm. Little does she know I’m very anal. I think
Kati Kons: that’s what the photographer for my sister’s wedding was like.
’cause she had everything planned out. Yeah. And I was like, afraid of that. I was like, wow. I was like, my photographer was like just much more type B creative. Okay. And I was like, I don’t, I don’t want her to be like worried about things. And she was still really, and I was like, I just don’t want to be like, I don’t know, worried about things.
I wanted the most laid back wedding you could imagine. And we did have that, so that was good. But
Christa Innis: yeah, when it’s down to the minute, that’s a lot. But I, I’m someone I like to know what’s gonna happen and like, even like something about like, Krista eat was on there. ’cause like if I get distracted by other things, I’ll forget.
So it was like that. Yeah. Ours was
Kati Kons: not down to the minute. We had like a lot of like, time in between things, so for us it was like really, really relaxed. That’s good. Yeah. So it was like, not like most weddings, which is awesome.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I like that.
Kati Kons: Okay. Um, did you get these people’s names or do I that was crazy or No, for this story?
Christa Innis: Um, yeah, they usually send like their,
Kati Kons: yeah, I don’t know if I get their name, but to this anonymous person, I’m so sorry, but please reflect. Yeah. Um, that’s all I have to say. Um, I, and you know what? The best is yet to come for you. Okay. It gets better.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think we’re either missing a lot of the story or I think there needs to like, need to figure out some, uh, there might be some like animosity that’s happening.
And so like every little thing is, it’s not against you, you’re not a victim, is what I am kind of getting from.
Kati Kons: I would just remind yourself that when you’re at someone else’s wedding, the wedding is about them for sure. Mm-hmm. For f*cking sure.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Every time. A hundred
Kati Kons: percent.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I think so many times we hear these stories and we’re like, that’s crazy.
And then like, we don’t see ourselves in them. And so my guess is she probably was like, oh yeah, they’re gonna for sure read this and be like, that’s crazy that she didn’t do that. But it’s like we need to like, like take a step back and be like, wait, you’re asking a bride and groom take out that it’s your brother and his wife?
Would you do this at any wedding you’re a part of?
Kati Kons: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: And if you wouldn’t, then don’t do it at your brother’s wedding.
Kati Kons: No. I feel like I couldn’t even ask my sister to do something like that. Same,
Christa Innis: yeah. I’d be
Kati Kons: mortified. I would be mortified. Oh my gosh, I don’t even both because I would, is would I, is it, would it be easier to ask my sister or harder?
I don’t even know.
Christa Innis: Right. Yeah. I don’t know. I couldn’t do it. All right. Well that’s a crazy story. Thanks for reacting with me. Um, well thanks for coming out and hanging out with me today. Yeah, of course. Can you, um, tell everyone again where they can follow you, find all your content and anything exciting that you’re working on right now?
Kati Kons: Yeah. You can find me at Portrait of a Bride on fire on Instagram and TikTok and I am always working on fun things on. Styling things. If you ever need to be styled or if you want to revamp your wardrobe or if you have a wedding coming up that you need to be styled for, let me know.
Christa Innis: Awesome. Well, thank you so much.
Kati Kons: All
Christa Innis: right.
Figure out how to stop this. Oh my gosh. Why am I, oh my God. There we go.
“My Best Friend’s Wedding”: Insane Demands, $600 Suit, and A Secret Scandal
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What happens when wedding planning turns into a battleground of loyalty, identity, and deception?
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00:00 Introduction
01:38 Listener Review and Gratitude
02:40 Bridal 911: Wedding Drama Advice
06:45 This or That: Wedding Edition
11:18 Blind Reaction: The Backup Best Man
19:30 Confusion Over Wedding Roles
21:33 Tattoo and Hair Dilemma
22:28 Dress Code Chaos
23:45 Best Man Drama
26:42 Makeup Mandate
28:46 Revelations About Brianna
30:38 Wedding Day Hypocrisy
33:18 Post-Wedding Reflections
36:17 Host’s Personal Reflections
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- Tattoo Controversy – The best man is asked to cover her tattoos for photos, while bridesmaids proudly display theirs, highlighting unfair double standards.
- Wardrobe Wars – Confusing and costly suit fittings with last-minute fabric changes create tension and frustration among the groomsmen.
- Friendship vs. Fiancé – The groom’s conflicted loyalty between his future wife and longtime best friend creates emotional turmoil.
- Makeup Mandate – Pressure to get professional makeup done causes discomfort and unnecessary expenses for the bridal party.
- Secrets Revealed – A shocking discovery about the bride’s past threatens the foundation of the couple’s relationship.
- Wedding Day Hypocrisy – Visible tattoos on bridesmaids but hidden on the best man expose inconsistencies in wedding expectations.
- Emotional Speech – The best man’s heartfelt and surprising wedding speech leaves everyone stunned, even the groom.
- Aftermath & Reflection – Four months later, the fallout continues with strained relationships and unresolved issues.
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- If you ask someone to be part of your wedding, it should be because you love them — not to change who they are. – Christa Innis
- Friendship breakups can be even harder than romantic breakups because of the deep emotional investment. – Christa Innis
- There’s no playbook for when your best friend and your partner don’t get along — it’s a heart-wrenching balancing act. – Christa Innis
- Weddings are supposed to celebrate love, not force people into uncomfortable roles or appearances. – Christa Innis
- Sometimes people marry just to check a box — but marriage should be about connection, not convenience. – Christa Innis
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Christa Innis: Hey guys. Welcome back to another episode of Here Comes The Drama. I am just thrilled and excited to be here. I feel very grateful to be able to hang out with you guys on this platform. Um, as of recording this, which. Today is June 11th when I record. So I typically record a month out depending if I’m having a guest or not.
Um, this is a special solo episode, so you’re just gonna hang out with me today. Hope that’s okay with you guys. Um, but as of recording today. We have over a hundred thousand downloads. It just blows my mind. My goal for the whole year was 25,000. So just thank you so much for the support. Whether you’ve subscribed, downloaded, shared with a friend, um, are constantly active, ready to listen to every single episode, listen, every once in a while, it’s just, it just means so much to me and I’m just so grateful for the love and support.
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So I just really thank you for that. Alright. I feel like I’ve been talking a ton today. As recording this, tomorrow is the launch of the book. So I feel like I’ve been doing a lot of promo stuff, um, and doing some different recordings. Of course skits, it never stops, but I love it. I love what I do and I feel so grateful to be able to do this this week.
Since it’s solo. I wanna do things a little bit different. So we’re gonna start with a bridal 9 1 1 advice column. Every once in a while people send me questions of things that are either going on in their family, uh. In regards to weddings and events, right? So I’m not a therapist, I’m not a life coach. I don’t have training in this.
This is literally just me responding as someone that reads a lot of stories and sees a lot of boundaries. So take it for what it’s worth and I’m gonna leave it with that.
When Family Drama Threatens Your Wedding
Okay? So this person here, I’m gonna leave him anonymous, sent me a question. She says, my wedding is in December of this year. I have a bunch of other dramas that have been going on, but this is the one that worries me the most.
To start off, we didn’t have money in the budget for alcohol, nor did we want it. I found out from my maid of honor, my fiance’s sister that the stepsiblings pre-game before the ceremony and every family wedding, whether it’s dry or not, I was warned about this because at every other wedding drama would ensue.
So we are talking fights would break out at one of the weddings, uh, that my fiance and I couldn’t attend to. And I’m honestly super afraid this might happen to me and I honestly don’t know what to do. Do you have any advice? So again, I’m no expert, I’m just taking it as what I would do in this situation, and this is gonna be really hard and might not be the advice you wanna hear, but there’s really.
Nothing you can do. I don’t think this is your fight to fight. We don’t know for sure if they’re going to do it. It might, it sounds like it might be pretty likely. Um, you might wanna have people there that are like ready to like. Break up a fight, um, or escort them out. However, bringing up something that might happen or stressing out something that might happen is just gonna consume you when you have so many other things to maybe worry about.
Um, it’s hard because alcohol gets the best of a lot of people. I’ve seen it firsthand at a lot of events, weddings, with family, friends, what have you. It can get the best of people and if not. Controlled. We all know what can happen, right? So essentially too, it sounds like it’s more of your husband’s family, and so I don’t think you need to personally do anything for it.
I would not stress over it. I personally think that you should talk to him about it and see what has maybe happened in the past or if there’s a way to approach it. And I know that seems kind of all over the place. I just feel like there’s a lot missing. There’s a lot that we don’t know, and I think a lot of it is more on worry.
And as the bride, I think a lot of times we, we think about a lot of situations or scenarios that could happen and that tends to consume us. Believe me, I’m an overthinker. My husband will tell you I’m an overthinker to the max. I’m constantly like, but what about this? What about this? I remember our wedding, I was worried about like the parking situation.
There was no reason to be worried about it. There was a parking garage that was like one block over, but I was just like, oh, what if this happens? And then I was like, what if they don’t know to get a hotel room? And I was like texting people, like helping them out. I’m like, people are adults. You gotta let them handle it.
Now if it’s happened before at a wedding, I understand your concern and I understand wanting to do something ahead of time, but again, we can’t control every situation. Maybe have a backup plan ready, talk with your husband or your partner, be on the same page with them, um, of like, okay, if we see some inappropriate behavior, this is what’s gonna happen.
Um, so having a plan I think is good, but I would not let it consume you. Because at the end of the day, if they have a drink in their car before and then they’re fine, there’s nothing you can really do about it. Right? So that is my advice for that and I wish you the very best for your wedding.
On First Looks, Taco Bars & Cake Smashes
Okay, next up to mix things up, I wanna do a little this or that.
I’ve been starting to incorporate a little more rapid fire with people, but I thought it’d be kind of weird if I had to rapid fire with myself. ’cause I’m like, I already kind of see the answers as I’m reading it. Um. This is similar, but this is gonna be a wedding edition, this or that. And, uh, I did a little fun one, so I haven’t read it yet.
So here we go. And this is just my, my own opinion. Okay. Buffet or plate of dinner. Okay. I feel like I should answer these quickly, but I’m gonna give a little background. I always thought growing up like I would have a plate of dinner, but when we got married we had a Taco bar, taco bar, and it was amazing.
Like we. We knew right off the bat, like when we found the venue and they gave us the suggested vendors to work with, I was like, let’s try this taco place, this Mexican food place. And it was incredible. Um, I like that you can kind of grab what you want, you know? I don’t know. Some plant dinners are great, some are not.
Some buffets are great, some are not. That’s my preference. Live band or dj. If I have to pick one, I’m gonna go dj ’cause I feel like you have more variety and you can, um, hear all your favorite songs. I’ve also heard some really amazing bands, big guest lists or intimate ceremony. If I were to get married today, intimate ceremony.
Intimate ceremony. First look or aisle reveal. I’m aisle reveal all the way. I love a good aisle reveal, uh, all white theme or full color explosion. Mm. If it’s done the right way, I think you can do full color. Me. I don’t trust myself enough. I’m not like a designer. I’m not an, I don’t have that eye. I wish I did if someone else was doing it for me.
Let’s go full color. I think that’d be okay, but me, I’ll go all white kids Welcome. Or adults only.
That’s a hard one,
I think. Okay. If we’re going with intimate ceremony, meaning I would only invite people that I’m really close with, I would say kids welcome because. People that I’m close with, I would be close with their kids and know their kids, and I would love all the kids to interact. If it’s a bigger party, I would probably say adults only.
If there’s like alcohol and it’s like cocktails and stuff. Yeah. Champagne tower or signature cocktails. Signature cocktails. I’m not a big champagne person. Matching bridesmaid dresses or mix and match. Mix and match. If I got married today, I would do make, pick whatever you want. Uh, flower petals or confetti sendoff, flower petals.
Weekday wedding or peak season? Saturday. Ah, weekday. I got married on a Friday. Fun fact, if you get married on a Friday or Sunday, you get a discount. Typically, uh, traditional vows are write your own, write your own DIY decor or hire a planner. So that’s kind of a weird one because those are kind of two different things.
I mean, a planner does help with decor. A planner is way more than decor. So my choice is either DIY or a planner. I’m going planner, but I have been hands-on designing decor for a lot of weddings before. Um, and you know what? It’s always a good time. Okay. Photo booth or 360 cam. So it’s so fun to go to a wedding that has a photo booth, but for me personally, I just did not see the benefit of it.
I just set up our own thing with Polaroid cameras. I think the 360 cam is pretty cool. I’ve never done one, but I honestly would be afraid I would get hit by it. Cake smash or classy? Kcu. Classy. I don’t, I’m, it’s not my first birthday. I don’t. I don’t need a cake smash. Okay, let’s get into this week’s blind reaction.
It’s a long one, that’s why I just wanted to kind of do some fun rapid fires.
When Weddings Cost More Than Money
Some 9 1 1. Let’s get, let’s get through to it. Okay. This is called the backup Best, man. Here we go. Let me drink some water first, guys, because my, like I said, I’ve been talking too much. I might need to go like on a week long thing where I just don’t.
My voice, that’s a joke. Even when I lost my voice, my husband kept laughing at me. ’cause I was like, I’m gonna not talk for the rest of the day. And like a minute later I’d be like, yeah, so blah, blah, blah. He’s like, aren’t you gonna rest your voice? Okay, anywho, here we go. My best friend Jake, all names have been changed.
My best friend Jake, 36 male, and I, Kara 35 female, have known each other since elementary school, though we didn’t become close enough. Close until junior year of high school by our early twenties, we were inseparable. We were together so often that we started calling each other siblings just to dodge the assumptions and constant accusations that we were Roman, that we were romantic.
That’s, that sucks. That’s always a thing. If you are friends with someone of the opposite sex, people assume you are dating or there’s some kind of romantic thing. I don’t know. That’s just the way people think. I guess girls would befriend me just to get closer to him, and I had, I had to let some of them down because Jake would ghost them or string them along endlessly.
I, on the other hand, was more of a social butterfly and rarely dated the same guy for more than a week. Eventually I ended up in a toxic long-term relationship and Jake and I drifted a bit. He moved away for work, but he’d still come home for the holidays and my family was always a part of his rotation for Thanksgiving and Christmas and we vacation together every year.
Wow. You guys are kind of like family, like if you go into family parties, but, and I hate that, I think this way, but I also wonder like. Did they ever try to date or like was it instant? Like, we don’t like each other that way because you’re spending a lot of time with this person. I’m wondering like, you seem pretty compatible, but I get it.
I get it. Sometimes you just meet someone and you’re like, they brother, sister vibes. Um, then I met my now husband, Daniel got pregnant and surprised everyone at the baby shower by getting married. Jake, despite not knowing, paid for the open bar. He also the godfather to both of my daughters. He adores them.
He wears dresses when they ask, always brings gifts, goes trick or treating with us and spends the day after Christmas with us because it’s my oldest daughter’s birthday. Wow. That jumped really quickly. Okay, so she’s married, has two girls. Jake is very involved in their life. He’s like an uncle to ’em, it sounds like.
Very involved, awesome relationship. Great. Then COVID happened. Here we go. How a lot of the stories go right? Right before the pandemic, Jake started seeing someone, let’s call her Brianna. They quarantined together. He casually mentioned wanting to introduce us, so we met up at a local petting zoo. It was awkward, Jake fo.
Jake focused entirely on my youngest daughter, and barely helped bridge the gap between me and Brianna. I tried small talk. She wasn’t interested. I gave up. I was pregnant, hot and miserable. I left feeling disappointed. When I told my husband and family, they tried to reassure me, but Daniel pulled me aside and said, Brianna’s name sounded familiar.
Then it hit me. Okay, so Daniel, in case you guys forgot, Daniel is her husband, the girl that wrote in, right? Daniel’s her husband. He’s saying the girlfriend, um, of her friend sounds, her name sounds familiar. So then it hit me years ago, she hooked up with Jake’s friend Matt. Ooh. Okay. We’re get, we’re getting some tea here on the front porch at his Halloween party while Matt was in a long-term relationship.
Okay, here we go. Here comes the drama. Right? It caused drama. Jake had even said things about her at the time. Yeah. That’s not a good first impression. Right? And then you’re like, oh, I’m gonna date this girl, even though she. Cheated with my, I guess, I don’t know if she was tied with anyone, but like his friend cheated with her.
Not really a good look still. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. Maybe she felt awkward or ashamed. Maybe she needed to warm up to me. Shortly after Brianna came to my parents’ house for Jake’s birthday dinner. I love that. Her family does birthday dinners for Jake still. That’s so sweet. He told us she had been teaching English in Japan.
We were excited to hear about it, but every time we asked she just changed the subject. Interesting. I pivoted the conversation and gave Jake his gift, a working vintage eight millimeter movie projector. We set it up and watched a short film, but Brianna said she was tired and left early. Okay, and this is before we read an end of the story.
I know things like are weird and stuff. I also feel like it can be weird if you start dating someone and let’s ignore the whole like thing they learned about Brianna. Right. It can be weird if like you start dating someone and he’s like, yeah, like I want you to meet this girl. She’s my best friend for years.
I have birthday dinners at, there’s family at her family’s house. We’re inseparable. Like we, I tell her every single thing like. It can cause a little bit, if you’re already a little insecure or you’re kind of a new in their relationship, that can be like a little like, Ooh, okay, how close are you guys? You know, it’s just it, and it’s the thing that we’ve seen, like in tv it’s like, can, can a guy and girl be best friends?
Right. Of course they can. And I, I am a big believer in it. I have very close guy, best friends. Um, but as a new relationship, you might be like, I don’t know. Um, okay. Jake still came to Halloween and Thanksgiving, but Brianna didn’t. He made excuses for Christmas. He said they’d be visiting her family two hours away, but he promised to come back for my daughter’s birthday the next day.
He didn’t show, he didn’t call. My whole family was worried and I was heartbroken. My mom called him. I’m also wondering, I mean, I think it’s so sweet that he comes to their family at Christmas time. I’m wondering if there’s something like we’re missing too. Like if, um, maybe he didn’t, he wasn’t close to his family growing up, so they became a second family.
And if that’s the case, then Brianna, I feel like shouldn’t really be supporting him in this ’cause he’s like, this is this. Is my family, like, not by blood, but like by choice. I’ve, they’ve been there for me. I’ve been there for them. Um, so the fact that he just didn’t show up when he was gonna go to Christmas is kind of weird.
My mom called him, he apologized saying her family sprung brunch plans on him, and it was the first time meeting them. Another year passed. Brianna remained distant. Jake became inconsistent. Then Jake got engaged. He asked if I’d be comfortable being a groomsman. I said yes and asked if he wanted me to grow my hair out for the wedding.
Wait.
Okay.
I need to go back for a second because
I’m so confused. So full disclosure, I throw this in and we like change names, right? So because it said Kara, I assumed it was a woman, and now I’m not so sure I have to go back and look. I always just throw it into something. Change names. Um.
I was right.
Okay, let’s continue. I just got really confused for a second. Okay.
I think it’s because he asked if he would be a groomsman.
Uh, he asked if she would be a groomsman. Okay. I said yes and asked if he wanted me to grow my hair out for the wedding since my head is fully tattooed and usually shaved. He said, absolutely not. Be yourself. I booked a touch up. I booked a Touchup tattoo appointment for one month before the wedding. For fun, I let my hair grow a bit and bleach it neon green.
I also asked if I should wear a suit or a dress. He said he was fine. He said either was fine as long as it matched the others. Okay, so this is getting interesting. So I’m, I’m. I’m guessing a few different things now, and I feel like Brianna. Okay, I wanna read this. I sent him black dress options. He liked a velvet one.
They were considering velvet suits. Brianna liked the idea too. I bought the dress, then they switched fabrics. Brianna insisted everything looked uniform. Velvet was out. Jake eventually told us, di Jake eventually told us to direct all questions to the best man, Matt? Yep. Porch Halloween, Matt. Oh my gosh.
So the guy who cheated on his girlfriend with Brianna is now in the wedding with them. Okay. I asked Matt about dress options. He said to wear what made me feel best. With no clear in, with no clear direction. I ordered a $600 suit I’d likely never wear again. Ooh, okay. I don’t know if I have no direction.
I don’t know why I would order a $600 suit. I’m not shaming this person though, but that ’cause that’s on, that’s their choice and something told them that they should do that, but Oh, wow. Okay. Then I got a message from Jake. Are you planning to have hair for the wedding? Because Brianna and the planner thought my tattoos would be distracting in photos.
I told him no. I had then. I had asked him then about it when. Lemme do that again. I told him no, I had asked about it. When I accepted, I canceled my tattoo appointment. I apologized to my artist and scheduled a salon visit to cover the neon. Okay. So now they’re going back and saying, um, you need to change all this.
Which it sounds to me like Jake doesn’t really care. It’s Brianna that’s coming in and cares. I don’t get, the whole tattoos are distracting thing, but. I’m also married to someone that has a full sleeve. I love tattoos. I love the look of them. We had, gosh, I would say probably all the guys in our wedding have tattoos and some, I would say majority of the guys in our wedding had tattoos.
Have tattoos, and I would never ask any of them to cover it up because I think it adds to Indi individuality. Um, some of the girls have tattoos too, again, would never ask anyone to c cover them. If you ask someone, you are asking them because you like them, love them, want them to be a part of your wedding.
Um, I don’t know. That’s just something I would never personally do. Ask someone to change who they are to be in my wedding. Um, okay.
We were told to book suit fittings. Matt was unresponsive in the group chat. So we all went rogue you. That’s when you really need an organized person to tell you what to do and when to do it. A few of us ordered the wrong suit details. One friend had to reorder an entire jacket, $300 because of event.
Okay? I don’t know enough about suits, but I don’t know what event is, but $300. See, that’s my thing too, is if they’re not clear with direction and what people need to do, they can’t keep going back and changing things and having people spend more money. You need to have clear communication saying like, this is what you need to do.
If I don’t hear something from a brighter groom, I’m not ordering anything. Sorry. You need to be clear with them. Jake Drunkenly called me one night. He was demoting Matt as best man, and asked me to step in, said he’d always wanted me to do it. But didn’t want to burden me because I’m a mom also, Brianna didn’t think it was appropriate.
Oh gosh, this, ugh, I feel so bad for them. I accepted, I cried. It felt tainted.
But this is so. It’s so weird because it’s like this is his best friend and he wants her to be the best man. Right? But Brianna doesn’t think it’s appropriate. So what do you do in that situ, in that situation? Do you listen to your future wife or do you include your best friend? I’ve never been in a situation where my best friend and my husband don’t get along.
I’ve seen it before. I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know what I would do in that situation because you’re always gonna have to deal with that. So you have to, you have to decide. Is it more important for you to be with this person and limit your time or cut off contact with your best friend, or vice versa?
I don’t know. No one can answer it for you. I offered to split the jacket cost with Matt. He refused. Weeks later, Jake texted to me again, are you wearing makeup? I said, no, I don’t wear it and I’m not comfortable wearing wearing it. He said, cool. An hour later, Brianna texted me I needed to get my makeup done Professionally, it will photograph better.
No, I don’t agree with that either. You do not tell people in your wedding they have to get their makeup done. I just, I don’t understand that if you love them the way they are and they are your friend, you should not be telling them to change anything about themselves for the wedding. Maybe that’s, is that a hot take?
Is that a hot take? I don’t know. I told my bridesmaid like, we’re gonna have hair and makeup there if you want it, or if you’re gonna do it yourself. Don’t wear any makeup that’s, that’s on you. Like your choice a hundred percent. I want you to feel comfortable. I want you to feel beautiful. The way you do it, her artist was booked but she could help me find someone.
I reluctantly agreed, ah, I feel so bad for her. This is so awkward. Am I her appointment, the stylist, a mutual friend, spilled everything. Brianna wasn’t an English teacher in Japan. She was an escort. She never even told Jake. Her rich stepdad pays for everything. He even bought them a house. Yet Jake is making payments on it.
What? So she’s completely deceiving him of everything. I mean, what? And no one in Jake’s circle likes Brianna. She blames Jake for not affording a two month European honeymoon. Okay? I don’t think a lot of people can afford a two month European honeymoon. What? That’s not typical. He’s now working DoorDash on top of his job, so he is trying to make extra, extra money because it’s not enough for her.
That’s another, maybe it’s another hot take, but.
You chose to marry this person knowing what they make or what they can’t afford? Yes, you can strive for more and try to make more as a couple together, but to guilt him and make him feel bad for not ma, I don’t know. I just, I don’t like that. I don’t like that. I had a breakdown full on hysterics. I planned to confront him at the bachelor weekend, but it was awkward.
Matt didn’t even come. I tried to open a conversation. Jake brushed it off and said his relationship was his retirement plan. I dropped it, his retirement plan. So I wonder if it’s one of those things where he’s just like checking the box. He’s like, you know what? I’m however old I am. It’s time to get married.
Let’s just do it. It’s my retirement plan. Oh my gosh. Three days before the wedding. Hey, you’re giving a speech. Good thing I had started one just in case the makeup artist was awful. Dry. Cakey, not blended. I wiped most of it off. No one commented it was $200. What a waste. So not on, on top of them making her get her makeup done, they make her pay $200.
That’s more than I even paid for my bridal makeup. I think my bridal makeup was one 20. My bridesmaids was 85. $200 as a, as a best man. No, no, no, no, no, no. I don’t like that. Brianna greeted to us when she, Brianna greet to us when we arrived with Suits. Thanked me for stepping up. Criticized Matt said she chose him to bring the style to the groomsmen.
He might’ve sabotaged things out of jealousy. He and Brianna apparently have a history well. We learned that, okay, here’s the wedding day. Jake was silent, only smiled for the camera. Bridesmaids wore bold, micro chromatic dresses, all different cuts, all had visible tattoos. Excuse me. So the bridesmaids can have visible tattoos, but you the best man cannot.
Yours are distracting. Come on. We need to level, we need an even playing field here. It’s because, I don’t know. I feel like she’s some jealousy over the op here. The maid of honor had giant angel wings and a light bulb tattoo down her spine. My tattoos had to be covered. The hypocrisy, stung. Their vows lies claimed they loved each other since high school and had reconnected.
Years later, none of that happened. It was surreal. My family asked, what’s going on? Why were you put through so much when the bridesmaids clearly weren’t? I had no answers. I told them to just get through it. The maid of honor gave a two page speech full of jabs, not jokes, jabs. It was brutal. So apparently even the bride’s friends are not fans of the bride.
Interesting. Then it was my turn. I recited my speech from memory nailed it. Pretended to cry at the end. Everyone was shocked. Even Jake was slack jawed. I never heard that term before. I hugged him. Second. Congrats. And we left. It’s been four months. I haven’t seen him since they honeymoon in Jamaica. She still doesn’t work.
She, he’s still doing DoorDash and my head hurts. Oh, that story makes me so sad. It like, it, I feel like it’s like one of those like books or stories you read where it’s like they keep missing each other at certain points. And I’m not saying romantically, but I’m just like they’re meant to be, and I say, I say the word.
Or the term soulmate very loosely. I don’t mean soulmate romantically, like you’ve, I believe you have soulmates that are like best friends or even pets I think can be soulmates. But I feel like their soulmates in a way that they were, their souls are supposed to meet, like they obviously are very like aligned.
They have good friendship, they, their family’s blended well to how their, and I think that’s what it was supposed to be, right? But it’s so hard when. They start dating someone that just doesn’t fit into the mix. And it’s hard in that moment too, because it’s like you’re supposed to choose your future, your partner.
Right? But it sounds like they’re not even happy, and it sounds like she’s very controlling and she’s making him try to make all this extra money while she’s not doing her part, and she critiques him. And, and so that’s what’s really sad is because now she’s probably seeing the, the friend, the best man is seeing.
It all fall apart. She’s seeing her relationship with him fall apart and she’s seeing that he just kind of checked the box of like, let’s get married. It’s time to get married. Um, and that’s what’s so sad with a lot of these stories is they wanna check the box of like, okay, we got married, we’re, we’re 30, now let’s get married.
Okay, let’s have a baby. And you would hope a couple this like unhappy, I don’t know. Can realize it before it’s too late and don’t bring children into the relationship. I don’t know, it’s, it’s hard because I’m only getting so much and, and it’s, uh, it can be kind of confusing from this angle because we’re only getting one person’s perspective, but she knows him well and she knows his reactions and she knows him enough to kind of realize he’s not, he’s not happy, he’s not reconnecting well, or he is not doing well, I should say.
But yeah. Oh, I hate that. I feel like I want an update. Like, it’s okay. It’s been, it’s been four months, I should see when this story was sent, but it’s been at least four months. We need to update when they talk.
When a Friendship Feels Like Family—and Then Falls Apart
Um, maybe they’ll realize it, maybe he’ll realize after, you know, all of the, the glamor of the wedding is over and realize, you know what, this was dumb.
I wanna go back to my roots and find someone that truly loves me and. Accepts my friends and family. Right. Because it feels like, I feel like they were more of like family, like she said, like they’re like brother and sister vibes. Right. All right guys. Well that was the story for, for this week. Um, I’m so sorry to this person that sent that sounds like you’re really mourning of friendship and that’s, that’s hard.
I feel like friendship breakups, I don’t know if it’s officially a friendship breakup, but it sounds pretty, pretty wonky, roly. I always say that friendship breakups are harder than romantic breakups. And I think it’s because like you pour, not saying you don’t do this with, with romantic relationships, but with friendships it’s like you pour so much into it and they learn you like your, they’re your ins and outs.
Right. Um, I think one of my hardest friendship breakups, um, I don’t wanna give too much detail or anything, but like, uh, it was a few years back. I mean, we’re probably going on. Gosh, I don’t even know how old I was. I dunno. Probably like 10 years ago. I don’t know. It was after college, but it was, it was distraught.
Like it was, it was so sad because this is someone that you do everything with you, you tell them like, you know, you’re like your thoughts and your wishes and your dreams and like. I don’t know. It’s just so different than a romantic relationship. I feel like when you’re breaking up with someone or someone breaks up with you, yes, it’s sad, but you move on depending on, you know, how long you’re with that person.
I know I’m just blabbing now, but I don’t know, I just really feel for this person because it’s hard to go through that. But, um, hopefully he realizes and you guys can be friends again. Anyways, thank you guys for hanging out with me in this special solo episode. If you guys haven’t noticed yet, I’m kind of doing a pattern of the second, um, episode.
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Wedding Nightmare, Bridesmaid Burnout & Hot Takes With Lisandra Vazquez
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Ever felt like saying no to being a bridesmaid? Lisandra Vazquez spills the raw truth about why she’s done with being in wedding parties… forever.
From destination weddings she never even made it to, to the awkward aftermath when friends cut ties, Lisandra and Christa unpack the messy side of adult friendships, money guilt, and wedding obligations no one talks about.
If you’ve ever felt pressured to go broke for someone else’s big day, grab your headphones. You’re not alone and this episode is your permission slip to protect your peace.
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Episode Chapter Markers
00:00 Introduction
03:38 Navigating the Content Creation World
08:01 Astrology and Personal Insights
11:28 Hot Takes and Personal Opinions
17:59 Rapid Fire Wedding Scenarios
20:21 Mother-in-Law Drama Unfolds
27:45 Cutting Guests for Extra Invites
27:59 Questioning the Bride’s Age and Maturity
28:57 Mother-in-Law’s Abusive Behavior
29:14 Cultural and Religious Expectations
30:39 Sabotaging the Wedding Rehearsal
31:08 Mother-in-Law’s Cold Behavior on Wedding Day
37:11 Counseling and Setting Boundaries
40:14 Confessions from Social Media
40:25 Bachelorette Party Expectations
44:19 Family Dynamics and Boundaries
Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Why Bridesmaids Aren’t Worth It After 30 – Lisandra explains why mature friendships shouldn’t hinge on expensive bridal obligations.
- When Destination Weddings Become Too Much – The shocking story of how a canceled flight ended a friendship for good.
- People-Pleasing Vs. Boundaries – Christa and Lisandra talk people-pleasing, saying no, and being okay with losing friends over it.
- Bridal Labor Or Emotional Support? – How some bridesmaids feel more like unpaid labor than guests.
- Hot Takes On Outdated Traditions – Garter tosses, group chats, and destination showers—Lisandra says what we’re all thinking.
- Real Talk: It’s Okay To Walk Away – How standing up for your time, money, and sanity saves friendships worth keeping.
- Comedy, Culture & Creative Hustle – Lisandra shares her creative journey from acting to stand-up and finding her voice online.
- Permission To Protect Your Peace – Christa and Lisandra wrap with empowering advice for anyone feeling stuck in wedding guilt.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “Sometimes the trash takes itself out—no RSVP needed.” – Christa Innis
- “I love being a bridesmaid… but I’m done. My thirties changed everything.” – Christa Innis
- “There’s no friendship worth going broke for.” – Christa Innis
- “People hear ‘party plan by Christa’ and think it’s just weddings—but it’s so much deeper.” – Christa Innis
- “It’s your wedding, not your bridal party’s unpaid labor camp.” – Christa Innis
- “If you really love your friends, don’t ask them to be bridesmaids.” – Lisandra Vazquez
- “Sometimes a bridesmaid dress costs more than my rent—I’m not doing that again.” – Lisandra Vazquez
- “This too shall pass, good or bad. It keeps me grateful and sane.” – Lisandra Vazquez
- “Hot girls are gonna do hot girl stuff—get over it!” – Lisandra Vazquez
- “At this point in my life, it’s a no for me, dog.” – Lisandra Vazquez
About Lisandra
Lisandra is a Puerto Rican-born, Atlanta-based stand up comedian, actor, activist, and creator. With a background in acting and improv, Lisandra’s high-energy yet dry storytelling point of view is based on her experiences as a Latina millennial, her take on pop culture, politics, and more. She is a regular at the Laughing Skull Lounge and has performed all over the country.
She has opened for Aida Rodriguez, Dulcé Sloan, Lace Larrabee, and other touring comics.
She has worked with organizations like Climate Power, Generation180, GasLeaks, and more.
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Christa Innis: Hi Lisandra, thank you so much. Hi. Thank you so much for having me. I am so excited to talk to you. I think you’re hilarious. First of all, I love your content and I was just thrilled when you said you would come on. ’cause I was like, I feel like we could have a lot of fun. You are. Have fun. Yeah. before we get started, can you just tell everyone a little bit about yourself? and I feel like there’s just so much to know. I know you’re a comedian, you’re, hilarious. So a little more about that.
Lisandra Vasquez: I’m from Puerto Rico. I was born there, lived there till I was eight, and then we moved from there to Ohio of all places. and we bopped around a little bit. Lived there for five years in Florida.
I lived in LA for a while and now I’m in Atlanta. So that’s like the shortest version of it all. I’ve been working as like an artist and performer like, I knew I wanted to perform. be an actor and stuff like that when I was like straight out of, well, and even in high school when I was a kid.
But you don’t do that in our culture. You just kind of get a job and like, you find, like my mom’s a doctor. like, they grew up poor. a lot of immigrant families will do that where you, like a creative job isn’t a real job. Mm-hmm. And so, but I’m like, I just always kinda had a sense that like, well, I’m still gonna do what I wanna do.
but you know, so I’ve, been working in the creative world for a really long time in different aspects of it. I’ve done everything. I’ve worked in front of the camera, behind the camera. I’ve assisted people and especially in LA like I have a degree in art ‘ cause I went back to school.
From Puerto Rico to Stand-Up Stages
And uh, ’cause I quit school when, in Florida, when I was like almost done, because I got, I booked a movie. And I was like, well, I don’t need this anymore. Yes. See you suckers. I had like, I had like one year left too. It was like, oh my God, I had enough, enough credit. but I was like, well, for me, I was like, school’s always gonna be there.
Yeah. I don’t wanna be here Anyway, so I was like, bye. I got my SAG card and then I moved with my boyfriend at the time and a couple friends to LA and then I did end up going back to school ’cause my agent kept telling me I was fat. Um, Oh my gosh. It was a different, it was a different time.
but it turned out to be, I mean, in hindsight everything always turns out to be a blessing. Right? Right. but because I went to a school that was really well suited for me, Cal Arts, and I was supposed to be there I got in as a transfer student ‘ cause I had credits from before.
A very hard school to get into. But I got in they wanted me to be there for three years. because that’s how long they require somebody to be there, to get a degree from them. I ended up only doing two years there because I applied for grade level adjustments.
And so it was really, I worked my butt off to earn those. But I did graduate in two years. and then from there I worked as a photographer. and then I didn’t get back until like, performing until 2019.
and then started getting to stand up and now, I was created content for other people for a long time.
I don’t know if you’ve ’cause like I think a lot of us start, the content game by where you can start making money immediately in the content creation world. And because I’m like, I know I’m good at it, but it’s by having somebody else pay you mm-hmm. To do their content for them. Mm-hmm. So I was doing, during the pandemic, I focus a lot on like creating like.
that content that I can make content so then I could get hired. And then as soon as I got filled my books up, I stopped doing that. I stopped advertising that. Yeah. And then I worked, for other people for a long time, making content, making memes and stuff like that. but eventually that just like during my soul, cause I was always doing standup and all my stuff on the side, but there I wasn’t able to give it enough Right.
Use, if you will. I had been posting comedy stuff on my own TikTok for a while, but then around the time of the election and I was always kind of hesitant to talk about my political beliefs. Mm-hmm. And, Especially with like women in comedy.
Like people are like, oh, don’t talk about that. Just talk about X, Y, or Z. Yeah. But then the moment that I started talking about it and actually just being honest and just being more authentic to who I am and what I would talk to you about in person and what people know me as, that started resonating with people online.
And then I just started, it just gave me more and more permission to be more myself. Mm-hmm. And thank God, like for the platforms that we have that are able to like connect us with the people that appreciate mm-hmm. our voice. Yeah. and so I feel eternally grateful to that. And so it’s like, it’s been encouraging to get a, positive response to the weird way that my brain works.
so long story, but that’s kind of like the long and the short of like how one gets from like. There’s no direct, path Yes. To something to get to anywhere where we are in life. Especially when you’re not like a pharmacist, you know what I mean? Where there’s like, okay, I went to school, I did this and that.
There’s, some career path, right? Going up the ladder, some career paths that are far more simple than the ones that just are unique. So that’s, it’s hard to describe how one gets to a path to especially, you know, like we all have different stories, but it’s all there.
Christa Innis: Yes. No, but I love the story of like, the journey of like how you get to a certain place, because it’s always kind of like you set out, like for this path and you do, your steps and it never works out that way. It’s like this opportunity comes up and then you’re like in a slump for a little bit and then you kind of move around.
You’re just kinda like. We’ll see what happens.
Celebrate Wins or Risk Losing Them
Lisandra Vasquez: Yeah. and like the, I was just thinking about this today because like, this has the, my been, always been, my mantra is that this too shall pass. Mm-hmm. Because, and I mean that with the good things and the bad things. Yeah.
So every time it, really helps me fit in the gratitude when things are good. Mm-hmm. And also know that the bad things are gonna go, this will pass, this will pass, this will pass. I know because like, I had a really bad year one, like two years ago. It was so bad. And then things started getting better.
And today I had like, I’m having this call with you. I was talking with my manager, I have a manager now. and then I was on the phone with, I don’t know how much I can say, but it’s like a, group, for a representative that I’m helping craft a bill. That’s amazing.
Right. And so what, that’s insane. Mm-hmm. Right. I’m so grateful for these opportunities that I’ve been, because I opened my big mouth. and I’ve said it in a way that resonates. Now I’m able to advocate for people like me. Mm-hmm. Make a change. Make a change, and actually getting these conversations and talk about, hey, the problems that I face, the things that I, in, like in our generation that we haven’t been, that we’ve kind of been duped on.
Like the, just the ability to be able to speak to my experience that’s different from the people that have come before. and I don’t take that for granted at all. So today I was like, oh my God, this is amazing, but also this too shall pass. Yes. Like, so I need to, to be really grateful of this moment and really like, celebrate it.
Christa Innis: No, I love that you said that because I feel like I’m so quick to like be onto the next thing. And I dunno if it’s that like creative mindset, do you get it? Like it’s just like you’re like trying to always go to the next thing. And even my like husband will be like sit down and like relax and I’m like, I have to do that next thing.
Like I don’t know where that comes from, but it’s like it’s true. It’s like this whole past, like, can we absorb it? Your sign, sorry, what’d you say?
Lisandra Vasquez: Your sign. Virgo, your astro. See my dog. My Clark. I’m a Virgo too.
Christa Innis: Are you? Oh my God. Virgo. We could make this a astrology podcast episode because I freaking love talking about astrology.
When’s your birthday? August 28th.
Lisandra Vasquez: August 20. I’m the 23rd. I’m like zero degrees Virgo Miash. No ma’am. she wants to talk astrology. well see, she’s a Sagittarius, so she’s a free spirit. that’s my moon sign. That’s my moon as well. yeah, I have Virgo Sun, Virgo Rising Sag Moon.
Christa Innis: I am a Libra rising. So that’s the people pleaser. People
Lisandra Vasquez: pleaser in you. And I’m just still
Christa Innis: see, and I, always like attach myself to people that are like, I dunno what sign it would be, but like the more like rugged, like they tell it like it is because I’m like, I aspire to be that. But I like, I still am like, Hey, do you like me?
Okay. Please love me. Yeah. But yeah. Okay. So it’s that Virgo thing, like the perfectionist, like always striving to the next thing. And I don’t think I discovered that though until like I was definitely not like that in school. ‘ cause I was not like, let we get all A’s. I was not like that. But I always wanted to try things.
Yeah. I think
Lisandra Vasquez: that for. I wasn’t necessarily that way either in school where I wasn’t like, oh, I need to get a straight A. But I do feel like, and my, siblings, I have five siblings, I have two half siblings, but then, my two siblings that grew up in the house with me, were all Virgos. Oh my gosh.
and my mom’s a Virgo too, so I think I know what a crazy thing. but I think what we all have is a really good compass and a like, a drive that I don’t see in everybody. And it’s just likea self-determination that people are like, why do you, why are you so like, I don’t know.
We just have like a, our own standard. I see that a lot in Beyonce. that’s who I, every time I see Beyonce, I’m just like, girl, you’re just like me. Except for your game. Yes. Oh my God. Your fiance. but you know.
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh my gosh. I feel like I’m like meeting a soul sister. I feel like it’s so hard to explain to my husband and I’m like, no, like you don’t understand.
Like, I need it this way and I need to do the next thing, but I’m gonna remember that, that this cell too shall pass in good moments because I don’t take the time to absorb it. And especially like the industry now, that we’re, kind of, I don’t really know how it works. Like we’re all both on social media, but it’s different kind of industries, I guess.
But it’s like the industry, it’s like it moves fast. It’s like all of a sudden this opportunity can come and it can go. so it’s like everything you have to like absorb those good moments. And I feel like I’m so quick to be like, all right, cool. That was great. I gotta keep going though. And I don’t stop to be like, this is awesome.
Lisandra Vasquez: Cool. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisandra Vasquez: So, yeah, because the wins we really do have to learn to celebrate them because if not, then like, I don’t know how woowoo you are, but sometimes I do feel like if we don’t celebrate those wins, then it’s not like, well, in my, because then they don’t wanna keep coming as much.
It’s like with, manifest, uh, I Sure. Levels of manifest. Oh, that’s funny. it’s like when I’m on stage, I do standup comedy. So for me, it’s the same way as training, like the universe. It’s, you’re training an audience not to laugh. If you continue to step on the laugh and you don’t let them continue.
If you don’t let them enjoy the moment. And if you don’t stop, they’ll train themselves to not laugh at you, even though they’re enjoying it. they’ll be like, huh, so then they can listen to what you’re gonna say. Mm-hmm. So that’s how I feel that’s how I’m like, okay, I have to, I can’t step on the universe.
I have to enjoy the moment
Christa Innis: I love that. That’s such a good mantra. And like showing gratitude back. I feel like Yeah, no, I’m, I’m super woowoo. I mean, I shouldn’t say super ’cause they’re super woowoo, but I’m woowoo. But you know, like the right kind of woo. I would like to make, no, I love that.
That that’s a great way to start this episode. I feel like. so I always like to start off with like crazy stories or hot takes. You have a hot take and I feel like we should just like, dive into it.
Bridesmaid Hot Takes & Wedding Party Regrets
Lisandra Vasquez: I think that if you’re really good friends with somebody, you should not ask them to be a bridesmaid. If you actually like your friends bridesmaid, you shouldn’t know, you’re in your thirties especially.
Christa Innis: No, no,
okay. How many times have you been a bridesmaid and how, what was the worst one? If you wanna share or what was like the worst part about being a bridesmaid
Lisandra Vasquez: to you?
The worst part of being a bridesmaid, I’ve been a bridesmaid. Enough times that I have forgotten how many weddings have been. they’ve gotten less in my thirties. But I will say that the worst part of being in asked to be in a wedding is the having the obligations, the financial obligations, and the having to deal with people that are making different decisions than necessarily that I would make.
So like one of the last, like being involved in the group chat. Ugh. The group chat. The group chat. The last, the last wedding that I was asked to be in was a destination wedding, and it was gonna be very expensive mm-hmm. For me to get there. And it was gonna be very hard. and like I could only afford to go for so many days, and then we ended up, actually, I was at the airport with all my stuff and then my flight got canceled.
And then in order to rebook it, because I had to go to another country and then hop a little plane, I would’ve gotten there the day of the ceremony and then had to head back the next day.
Christa Innis: No.
Lisandra Vasquez: I just didn’t go.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisandra Vasquez: And I felt really bad and then now the bride doesn’t talk to me anymore. but I’m like, listen, you know what
Christa Innis: well, it was kind of not calling your friend.
Well, ex-friend trash, but the trash takes itself out sometimes. or maybe it just wasn’t meant to be,
Lisandra Vasquez: and the thing is, I’ve thought about reaching out to her too, but I just also don’t feel like the connection was strong enough between us to really like, go beyond that.
Because I also feel like sometimes with, When you ask somebody to be a bridesmaid, it’s kind of a transaction and you’re asking a lot of that person, not only financially but like emotionally and for them to just be there for you. And there’s a lot of things that you, people require depending on the thing.
But I’ve had people be like, okay, well the expectation was that I showed up there helped with labor of like putting things together and this and that and that. And I’m like, so then you’re required to go and add labor. And sometimes that’s fine and cool, but then other times it’s like, Hey, I’m also like taking time off work, investing money into this and I also would like to be able to relax and enjoy this.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisandra Vasquez: But, and I understand that for some people we are happy to do that for them. Yes. Like my sister. Yeah. Absolutely. 100%. But I think that the expectation of like, if you’re over 30, there’s people that have jobs, lives, limited budget things that they’re all sa We’re all at this point sacrificing a lot of things to be able to make it here.
And like we all have such and speak for everybody, but limited budgets of time and money to be able to get to these things and to just, unless I will not be in another, I will not accept being in another wedding unless I know I’m just showing up and I’m gonna be there and I’m gonna be able to support.
I’m gonna do that. But yeah, I just never, I’ve seen weddings where people just ask their friends to wear certain colors so that they can be in the pictures. And that’s the vibe.
Christa Innis: Yeah. That’s what you’re into.
Lisandra Vasquez: Oh, that’s really a friend. Yeah. Because you’re like, oh, I’m not asking you to plan some sort of a crazy vacation.
‘ cause then there’s like the financial aspect of planning the, bridal shower, the bachelorette party. Yeah, usually. And then, that’s so much money for your decisions.
Christa Innis: Yeah. see, and maybe this is my Libra coming out, you know, we’re talking about Libra people pleaser. I love being a bridesmaid.
However, not anymore. I think I’m done. Like I’ve been in my fair share. I’m well into my thirties now. I don’t foresee anyone else asking me. And if they wanted to, I’d probably be like, I’ll just come as a guest at this point. I had no business, like in my early twenties, being in those weddings, spending that kind of money, no business.
I know you feel guilty saying no, and you’re like, you know, and I was that friend that was like, what do you need help with? Sure. I don’t have a life outside of this. And I would be there for bridal showers. Like I would be paying for like food, you know, like all that stuff. And it’s like, looking back, I’m like, I barely could afford, like, I didn’t even, I still lived with my parents at some of the times.
I still, you know, it was rough,
Lisandra Vasquez: it was bad. And I’m just like. Oh, I’m sacrificing one of them. Yeah. It just like, there’s so much sacrifice, there’s so much time and often it is to fulfill a quota for the bride, for the sides and the pictures and stuff like that. And sometimes it isn’t, but sometimes it is. And you should really think long and hard before you ask people to be bridesmaids. That’s what I’m saying. Yeah. Especially if you’re not 20 in your twenties.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisandra Vasquez: Because I’ve seen my people in their twenties feel like they have like a lot of really close friends and they all wanna do that. But everybody in their thirties I feel like has lives.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I was just saying to someone, I’m like, thank God I waited till my thirties to get married. ’cause I feel like if I got married in my twenties, it’d be so different.
Like everyone’s your friend. And I probably, I think we would’ve had double the amount of people. But like when I got married, the only time, I was like, we weren’t into like the pleasing everybody. We were like, we’re making a cut here. This is what we want.
and I would like to think I was an okay bride to work with, like for all my bridesmaids, I was like, if you don’t wanna come, it’s fine. Like, not to the wedding, but I was like, Hey, if you can’t make the shower, if you can’t make the bachelorette par, I don’t, it’s fine. I won’t hit you.
Come wearing white to my wedding. I literally would not care about that stuff. But I’ve definitely have been asked to be a bridesmaid before where I’m like, oh, they want my help they want me to like get crafty and do stuff for the wedding. then you feel
Lisandra Vasquez: used
Christa Innis: after it and you’re like, oh, they don’t even like wanna, like, they don’t even want my friendship.
They just wanted me as a helper and that I don’t like, yeah,
Lisandra Vasquez: the labor. And so that’s where I’m just like. again, not all bridesmaid situations are created equal, but for the most part it’s a no for me dog. No, I’m not interested. And I also don’t think that you should ask that of people.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I love that hot take because that
Lisandra Vasquez: this economy
Christa Innis: ugh, not in this.
Yes. Oh my gosh. That’s funny. Okay, so I thought before we read the crazy story today, we could do a little rapid fire. So I’m just gonna read two things that like could happen at a wedding or something, and you just pick, pick which one you’d rather. Okay. Here we go. We’re doing something new. We’ve never done this before.
Okay. Caught making out with a groomsman or caught texting your ex on the wedding day.
Lisandra Vasquez: I’d
Christa Innis: rather
Lisandra Vasquez: make out with a groomsman. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Your partner wore a ring from their ex’s proposal, or they forgot to get you a ring at all.
Lisandra Vasquez: When they proposed to me, they forgot to get me a ring in this hypothetical scenario, apparently. I’d rather them forget to get me a ring than to have something from their ex.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisandra Vasquez: but also like, maybe you should rethink marrying this person. I forgot to get you a fucking ring. Unless they were like really in the moment they asked and they’re like, I don’t even have a ring.
I just wanna ask Right.
Christa Innis: Like a little Yeah. Like a movie where that’s just like right now I have to ask, here’s a little piece of string. Yes. Yeah. Let me tie around your finger. Okay. Hot. Best man with bad intentions or awkward. Best man with a heart of gold.
Lisandra Vasquez: at this point, a heart of gold man.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Wild Bachelor party with photos leaked or steamy.
Dms from a guest. Steamy dms caught hooking up at someone else’s wedding or caught talking trash about the bride. Oh, hooking up. your ex crashes the wedding or gives an emotional
Lisandra Vasquez: toast that I would give an emotional toast, I think, or that he does. That’s a weird one.
you give an emotional toast. Oh, I’d rather give an emotional toast. Keep him far away.
Christa Innis: Okay, last one. A sexy first dance or a full on magic mike Style Groomsman performance.
Lisandra Vasquez: Oh, they’re both cringe ew. I guess I’d rather the magic mike thing because it could be funny. than like doing a sexy dance in front of my family. That’s weird. That’s weird. Well, speaking of
Christa Innis: what
Lisandra Vasquez: are your
Christa Innis: thoughts on the garter toss?
Lisandra Vasquez: No, what are we doing?
that. I
Christa Innis: don’t, that is one of my, like, strong, I don’t even know if it’s a hot take anymore because I see, I do like a confession thing every week. Every week. everyone, I would say more people than not say like, no garter toss. Like, that’s so cringey, so weird. I’m happy to see it’s going away.
Lisandra Vasquez: Yeah. it’s
Christa Innis: why I just, why would you want your husband putting his head up your dress during your wedding? I just don’t understand that. No. All right. We’ve got a doozy for this week, so let me just get into it. feel free to stop me as I read, or we can react at the end,
Red Flags & A Missing Dinner Plate
All right. Here we go. Says Mother-in-law Drama. Made my wedding a nightmare. Basically a book, sorry. Okay, my now husband, let’s call him. Matt and I met during the pandemic once it was safe to go out to restaurants and such, and we quickly fell in love because his family cares for two elderly grandmothers.
They had very strict rules about socializing during that time. I had no problem with that, and Matt and I were careful to follow their guidelines. That meant I didn’t get to know his family that well, that’s how I initially explained. away all the red flags that his mom disliked me. I told myself, maybe she doesn’t hate me.
It’s just awkward because we haven’t spent that much time together. Spoil alert. I was wrong because my family was lower risk. Matt spent more time with my family and they immediately clicked. So some dating red flags from his mom. She constantly trashed the denomination of churches Matt and I attended, and that my dad’s pastor, is a pastor for even after I acknowledged her bad experience and tried to empathize at Matt’s dinner, she set the table for everyone but me.
I got to stand in the kitchen.
Okay. When I read something like that, I’m like, was he like, let me put a plate for you, he just let her stand in the kitchen because that’s a red flag on him. Well, both of ’em. Yeah. Oh, no. What? She interrupted me every time I spoke and redirected the conversation, that would get really under my skin.
Lisandra Vasquez: You, what was she, Latina?
Christa Innis: I don’t have those details yet. she raved about Matt’s exes and their amazing relationships with his younger sisters and how much she missed them, how many exes. And she, this apparently they’re all just so great. But her, she refused to attend the church service where Matt and I officially joined, I’m guessing for marriage, because she was Matt, he left theirs
Context for later in October, 2021. My dad nearly died of COVID. The doctors were shocked. He survived once home, he had to stay plugged into a wall oxygen machine. Oh my gosh, that’s terrible. due to a shortage of portable tanks, he only had enough for necessary doctor visits. November, 2021, Matt proposed it was beautiful and surprised me during my family’s Thanksgiving dinner.
We were so happy we looked at rings together so it wasn’t outta the blue, but it was still magical. We decided on a shorter engagement and set the date for April, 2022. It was going to be a low key small town wedding. We mostly planned ourselves. We knew the quick timeline might keep some people from attending, but we were ready to be married.
We invited his family to my parents’ house to talk about wedding vision, financial contributions, dress shopping dates, et cetera. But we couldn’t go to their house. It’s 90 minutes away, and my dad couldn’t travel. They refused to come to us because they didn’t wanna hire a babysitter for their 14-year-old twins.
Both grandmothers lived nearby. They wouldn’t bring the girls either. It was either we had to go to them or it didn’t happen. Eventually we got them to agree to a zoom call. That point you can just tell, like someone like that does not wanna be involved. And it’s like why that it’s deliberate.
Yes. They’re gonna purposely put every kind of blockade for it to not happen.
Lisandra Vasquez: Like the person that’s being awful to you because they want you to break up with them.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yep. It’s that, like passive aggressive, like Oh yeah. Yeah. The Zoom came. Neither parents said much. His mom was on her phone the entire time.
My parents gushed about Matt and said how thrilled they were to welcome him, his parents. Yeah, he’s great. Nothing about me joining the family. I don’t even know how people like this deal with in-laws like that, so I would just, I have
Lisandra Vasquez: opinions. I think that he sucks the dude that she’s marrying because like I would’ve had if he hadn’t stood up.
Like, no, like, I would see that as a huge red flag on his behalf that he’s not, I least at this point, making it clear that there is a separation between how, like, because she hasn’t gotten there yet. So I don’t know if she’s gonna include this, but I would be, why aren’t you taking care of this?
Like why aren’t you taking care of this information? This is like you and your mom. Your mom is literally mistreating me.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisandra Vasquez: just letting it out like in front of
Christa Innis: your face. Cutting me out. Yeah. Like at that point it’s like I would be, yeah, you’re right. I’d be more mad at him ’cause I’m like, this is your family.
Lisandra Vasquez: speak up dude. Mm-hmm. That’s not okay to treat anybody’s because like he’s treating her like that. But he could treat, I mean anybody like that, that’s messed up.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And the way she wrote about the standing in the kitchen, it literally sounds like she was just standing in the kitchen while they all ate for his dinner.
Passive-Aggressive Wedding Planning
And I’m like, that would never be okay. Oh, literally. so she said, but hey, zoom is awkward. So maybe that was why my parents offered to pay for most things. His parents said they’d cover Matt’s tux, a groom’s cake, and the alcohol. Matt and I reiterated that we were planning a small, simple wedding.
They said It’s fine. It was painfully awkward. Everyone was relieved when the call ended, I felt weird about my relationship with his mom. But I still tried to include her. I invited her dress shopping. See, there’s so many super nice brides I read about, and they like have this like issue with, you know, they have a, bad relationship with the mother-in-law and they still invite them dress shopping.
I’m like, that’s like a vulnerable moment to be changing in front of someone or showing something. Like, why would you want someone like that there? It’s an olive branch.
Lisandra Vasquez: I get it. But like,
Christa Innis: God, yeah, it’s harder when you’re in it. Yeah. Of budget constraints. I wanted to shop before Christmas to avoid price hikes.
I sent her a couple of dates and she declined both. There we go. One without explanation the other, because she was making Christmas cookies.
Lisandra Vasquez: Oh, no. But you know, it’s creepy. the timeline for those
Christa Innis: So busy. Yeah. Has to be this day I’m really busy. Oh my gosh. so I went with my mom and sister and found my dress.
I’d asked Matt’s sisters to be junior bridesmaids and invited them to the shop too. His mom said to just send them the link for the dress I wanted. I did. And she complained about the hem line and designer, but insisted she’d fix it for them after delivery. When the dresses arrived, she wouldn’t show them to me until after alterations.
I pushed and thank goodness I did. she pinned the hem up four inches too high. She was annoyed but adjusted them. they finally looked correct on the wedding day. Then here’s a not so brief list of other chaos that she had caused during planning the wedding. Okay. Bridal shower takeover.
She offered to host. I thought it was a peace offering. made it a couple’s shower. So Matt had to attend. Introduced everyone, including Matt’s best friend who couldn’t come, but not me, to her friends and family who I had never met. Oh my gosh. Guest list battle. We wanted to cap the wedding at 100 guest total.
She alone wanted to invite 100. I hadn’t shared my severe anxiety disorder because I didn’t trust her, but finally told them the cap was for my mental health. She looked me dead in the eye and said, I have anxiety too. It’ll be fine.
That’s that like older generation that’s like we all had anxiety and we just, had to do, we had to carry on with our lives like.
Lisandra Vasquez: yeah. that’s like my mom being like, Liandra, no, you’re not depressed. You’re just be happy. Okay. Like, okay. Okay. Fracture on the switch. Yeah, like, don’t cry.
Just change. Change it. Like, okay, open the window. Go out in the sun. Oh, yeah. No, that’s crazy. I hadn’t thought about that. I hadn’t thought about just being happy. Yeah. Thank you. Really. Thank you for that. I have anxiety too. You’ll be fine. That’s crazy.
Christa Innis: Later she told people I faked mental illness to get my way.
We ended up cutting guests from my side so they could invite extras. This, I would be really, I
Lisandra Vasquez: hate this woman.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I would be really second guessing the whole wedding.
Lisandra Vasquez: How old did she say how old she is? Because she sounds young. I know
Christa Innis: it was a really quick engagement,
Lisandra Vasquez: but still she sounds like she’s young.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisandra Vasquez: she sounds like she’s in her twenties at least, because I feel like, I wouldn’t put up with that, but I might have put up with it earlier in my life. Yeah. I could see a time where I would be like, in my very early twenties, I dated a guy for four years and I could see if his mom didn’t like me, I would still try to be like, all right, this is the right thing I need to do.
I still need to try to invite her. I still need to try to do this. And then I’d be mad at him, but I wouldn’t have the communication skills and be like, confidence to be able to be like, fix your mother.
Christa Innis: Yeah. But I would now. Right. and at that awkward time of like, you’re like becoming an adult, so you’re kind of like still that like kid respect your elders.
I feel like I was like that in my early twenties too.
Lisandra Vasquez: So I just feel like the, I’m reading it as she’s younger because she’s not standing up for herself in the way that I think that, somebody in her later in life would.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Lisandra Vasquez: Yeah. I think so. What she’s going through is it’s abusive.
Like that’s not the woman is walking all over her ’cause she doesn’t respect her.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yeah. She’s thinking she’s not like, good enough for her son, or it’s the kind of person she’s like putting her son on a pedestal saying like, he deserves the best and you’re not, it, that’s,
Lisandra Vasquez: that’s why I asked if he’s Latino.
That’s what Latino parents do. Treat their firstborn son as the gold standard. Really. Yeah. Yeah. But also it’s also curious that they’re not Jewish. ’cause that’s what Jewish mothers do as well. Mm-hmm. And then they get mad. I mean, it’s also different kinds of, Christian religions that where they, really covet like the sun.
That’s very, and they’re very, particular about their, flavor of Christianity.
Christa Innis: Yeah, that’s what I kind of got by the denomination thing. So if she is like very in her or EPIs, you don’t wanna be an
Lisandra Vasquez: Episcopalian anymore. Lutheran’s not even a thing. Mm-hmm. Like, yeah. Isn’t it all Christian? I mean, listen guys, come on.
but yeah, so it seems like an uppity.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Like she, it’s almost like she heard the denomination and immediately from that point was like, Nope. And then just like discounted anything else she said or something like that. It’s like when they a chance.
Lisandra Vasquez: Yeah. It’s like if somebody, They’re a Republican.
Oh. Or like, oh, she’s a liberal. Cool. I guess she doesn’t care about babies or something like that. I dunno. Yes. Um, but you can make, judgements for sure. That’s crazy, huh? What else did she do? She goes, so she like, we have this
Christa Innis: There’s a lot. So it says, gossiping behind my back. She told Matt’s friends, I was excluding her from planning.
She never answered my texts about it. Jokes on her. Two of those friends are close with me and they spilled everything. Sabotaging the rehearsal. She told the wedding party I was overbearing for asking them to arrive 30 minutes early said it was okay to come late because we’d start late anyway. Then she gave them the wrong wedding day timeline.
If I hadn’t sent backup info, they would’ve missed photos. refused to help set up. She got mad that Matt helped set up the reception. She wanted him at their hotel to hang out. They wouldn’t help at all because that’s the bride’s family’s job. Okay. Cold as ice in the getting ready room. She ignored me the whole time.
Didn’t acknowledge me when I walked in wearing my white dress, even though everyone else was emotional and excited, I’d be like, you can leave. Yay.
Lisandra Vasquez: Yeah. On her wedding day. This is bad. This
Christa Innis: is
Lisandra Vasquez: bad.
Christa Innis: Yeah. when I do like crazy skits and stuff, people are like, oh, this is so dramatic. That would never happen.
And I’m like, no, there’s people saying, it literally happens to them.
Lisandra Vasquez: when I was, in LA I used to do a wedding sometimes as a second shooter, so I’d get, The first shooter that I worked with would always be with the bride, and then I’d go with the groomsmen to get the second dairy portraits.
You see some drama, but not this is crazy. Yeah, nothing. This is insane. But I mean, I guess I would have to be privy to all the other information, but you can pick up the vibes.
Christa Innis: Oh yeah. I bet you can like tell like right away with a wedding if like someone’s not meshing Well,
Lisandra Vasquez: if the mother the, if the mother of the groom was like to the bride, I’d pick up on that and be like popcorn in my hand, as I’m all the tea.
Yes. No, that’s insane. Yeah. But they got married. How awkward. Yeah, they got married. It’s her mother-in-law.
Christa Innis: I know she’s gonna deal with that the rest of her life. Oh, however long she can put up with it for, because at some point they either have to cut her off the mother-in-law or they’re gonna break.
Because someone like that infiltrating, like if they decide to like move or have kids or whatever they do in their life, she’s gonna be family. When a family member
Lisandra Vasquez: chooses their spouse and the spouse doesn’t get along with the family, someone’s gotta go. Mm-hmm. Usually people will choose their spouse.
You would hope, you hope. Well, usually people would choose their spouse. but sometimes they don’t.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisandra Vasquez: Especially not a weak ass mama’s boy. Like this guy seems, wow, he sucks.
Christa Innis: I’m like not hearing anything about him. So I’m really, I like wanna reach out and be like, yeah,
Lisandra Vasquez: he is. Yeah. Like, first of all, I need to know, I have so many follow up questions about him.
Like, I need to know if he’s an only child. he definitely seems like he’s the only boy. Mm-hmm. He’s the golden, um, he, if he’s an only child, I guess it would make sense as to why the mom’s so obsessed.
Christa Innis: But it’s weird. It’s that crazy boy mom thing.
It’s like their first love and you know, like they’ll think the trend. I was like on TikTok and it’s like, no, like you’re not doing what you think you’re doing right now. It’s
Lisandra Vasquez: now’s giving weird
Christa Innis: stop. That’s no, don’t you want them to grow up and find someone or like be happy on their own, not like rely on you the rest of their lives.
Lisandra Vasquez: No,
Christa Innis: I want him to. No. Okay. That’s weird. That’s weird. Or do they mention a father? Either? oh, they said parents, they did say his parents
Lisandra Vasquez: when they had the zoom call. Yes. That the parents, so I think the mom’s just a piece of work and she probably has nothing else going on.
Christa Innis: And the dad’s probably just very passive. ’cause over the years she’s been like manipulative like this. And.
Lisandra Vasquez: Yeah. Gerard Carmichael has a, bit right now that I just saw that, like your mom, that he says like that everyone’s mom is crazy. No, but like, it doesn’t matter. Like everyone’s mom is a different kind of crazy, but everyone’s mom gets crazy at a certain point and like the group chat is weird, with the mom and the siblings, and then the dad starts talking less and less.
I feel like that’s what’s happening here. Mm-hmm. Like the mom got crazy.
and the dad probably is just letting it happen and just saying like three words.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisandra Vasquez: About, because he’s just like, disassociating.
Last Straw & A Weird Hot Tub
Christa Innis: Yeah. He’s like, I’m not gonna get involved. She’s gonna do her thing i’s how.
Yeah. It’s just coexist. Yeah. All right. There’s a couple more things that she didn’t. Oh my God. Uh, tried to sneak in an unapproved photographer despite multiple conversations. She tried to bring in her amateur photographer front to shoot the ceremony when my dad politely told him he could take pictures after the ceremony.
And at the reception, she later told people, my dad screamed at him in the church victim mode. All those, that’s like,that typical person, like she’s gonna be the victim mode, but she
Lisandra Vasquez: has to be Latina. That woman has to be, if she’s not, I’d be so surprised. I know his name is Matt, which is giving white, but.
It might be a white dad. the name’s been changed, so, okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So it could
Christa Innis: be, but I mean, I’ve, there’s a lot of crazy white ladies out there that act like this too. I know,
Lisandra Vasquez: I know. But dang it, that’s not exactly someone that I’m related to.
Christa Innis: Yeah. left the reception early to use the hot tub.
Then told our friends she was having more fun in the hot tub than at our wedding. Tried to get them to agree. They didn’t. She was upset when we didn’t join on our wedding night. Oh, you wanna go in the hot tub with your son and his wife on their wedding night? That’s disgusting. This woman is weird. Weird insulted a precious full photo.
When we got our professional photos back, she saw a shot of my dad’s hand on my back during their father-daughter dance said it looked very creepy. That dance meant the world to me. We didn’t think he’d lived to be there. When we said the comment was hurtful, she doubled down. You’re too sensitive.
What? That would be it for me. Like, one after the other. Like why is she still in their life,
Lisandra Vasquez: dude, the fact that they’re still trying to please, I’m even more angry at the husband every time that there’s an interaction and she disrespects the wife. I’m even more mad Yeah. At the husband for not stepping in during this whole thing.
Christa Innis: So here’s a slight follow up at the end here. It says, Matt and I had to go to counseling specifically to learn how to handle her. Thankfully he’s now fully on my side, so I don’t know where he was in all of that. And what was that boiling point where she’s like, we’re going to counseling or we’re done kind of thing.
Lisandra Vasquez: he was probably trying to play the middle. And because I, again, I think they’re young. I think that they’re in their twenties and if they’re in their twenties and they’re still, he was still trying to please both of ’em and he was probably still being like, mom, like, you know I know, but you gotta.
He wasn’t being, but yeah, no, I’m glad they went to counseling. So he said that, she said that they’re still together.
Christa Innis: Yeah. She says in his defense, growing up with a narcissistic, mother trained him to ignore toxic behavior as a coping mechanism. So they’ve, they’ve learned a lot. They’ve done their work.
incredible. Now protective and clear on boundaries. She still dislikes me, but since realizing she’s losing access to him, if she’s unkind to me, she pulls a halfway decent show of civility now. So it’s the fake, like, just to get there? I don’t know.
Lisandra Vasquez: Never.
Christa Innis: I mean, okay. No, that is crazy. because you hear about like the passive aggressive mother-in-laws, but that is like someone blatantly just being rude and not liking you for no reason.
Lisandra Vasquez: I mean, I have a family member that’s blatantly rude and doesn’t like me for no reason, but like, it’sof someone that married into my family, but it’s just like, You do have to have boundaries. You do have to have boundaries and understand that like sometimes you can’t change someone’s mental health status.
Like that person, like that woman, that mom is Ill, like there’s something, and whatever’s happening Says more about her than it does about this bride. Yeah,
Christa Innis: 100%.
Lisandra Vasquez: And they look, they sound like they’ve taken the steps to make their world work and to communicate and to understand, like, and obviously they’re still family, so they have to deal with her because that is his mother.
Mm-hmm. But hopefully people can take away from that. They’re you cannot change somebody that doesn’t wanna be changed and doesn’t see a problem with their behavior. Yeah. Oh, a hundred percent. And doesn’t have, doesn’t have any empathy, doesn’t have any ability to self-reflect.
that’s exactly what that woman is. And it’s just like. Yeah, I think we all have known somebody like that and not, I mean, we’re not all related to them, but like, you have to have your boundaries and understand that even if it hurts, ’cause that hurts. That’s so hurtful, so, so disappointing that your mother can’t get it together for your wife.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisandra Vasquez: But getting help and understanding like his triggers and what he is like, been ignoring.
Christa Innis: Right? I feel like narcissist is thrown around so much on the internet these days, but like, if she’s truly narcissistic too, she’ll never see an issue with herself.
So I feel like the only way to either handle someone like that. Why? Yeah.
Lisandra Vasquez: She’s, she’s perfect. Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Everyone else is the problem. They’re all, she’s a victim. ‘ cause he brought in this new wife that’s like not right and you know they’re hurting her, taking his son, her son away or whatever. Yeah. You’re stealing my son.
You harlett. Yes. Yeah, no, 100%. So I feel like the only way is to go through counseling and, limit as much time as you can. Absolutely. Oh my God, that was crazy. All right. I would like to end with like a confession from social media. I know we’re kind of over on time. these are confessions people send me on social media, so, alright.
I feel like this first one, I know how you’ll feel about this. It says, bachelorette parties should not be a week long, expensive vacation, just one crazy night of fun. What do you think about it? Correct. Correct. That is a correct choice.
Lisandra Vasquez: unless everyone is excited to go to a specific location.
but I don’t think it should be forced upon people. I’ve been, gosh, I do like the thought of it being somewhere that is localish. Cost effecti, maybe even like a two to a week is disgusting.
Christa Innis: I have done a week long, either once or twice, but it, like the group that went were my best friend, so it was like we would’ve done a girls’ trip anyways.
Right? Yeah. And they, but I’ve declined a fair share that I’m just like, I wouldn’t know anybody else other than the bride. I’m like, I’m not gonna spend that money.
Lisandra Vasquez: I was so sad one time, like I cried because I couldn’t afford to go to, I had just moved to Georgia and one of my very best friends in the world had her the girl who was planning her bachelorette party, was in a much better financial position than me. And so she planned it to stay at these, like, and you should be able to have what you want, right? But they were like gonna stay at the Waldorf and so it was like very expensive. And I was like, if I’m not being honest, I’m like, that’s so expensive for me.
Yeah. so I was so sad. I was like, oh man, I can’t be there. I’m like, this has been one of my best friends for 10 years. Mm-hmm. Like, I can’t be there because this bitch is planning all this. And so it made me really sad. But then like, when they got there, a hurricane hit Colonel, oh, a hurricane hit?
No. Yeah. And then they ended up having to move places. So it was, I was like, oh, no, sorry to miss that guys. because I could only afford to go to the wedding because the wedding was also like a Dustin. the wedding was in Palm Springs. Oh my. Beautiful. The wedding was beautiful though. Yeah. And like, it was expensive for me to go to the wedding wedding, but it was worth it.
Sometimes it is really worth to go to these weddings. Like my cousin got married in Napa. we had such a blast, and my whole family was there.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah. I feel like if it’s a good location and there’s things to do around it, or if it’s like. Someone you really love and care about. But yeah, I did do labor,
Lisandra Vasquez: but I, because I did help with some stuff, but because it’s my cousin’s wedding, but, cause I’m handy, but we were all still enjoying ourselves and just being in a new environment together and creating memory, so.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I love that. That’s what I love about weddings. Like family weddings are so fun too. ’cause it’s like, I have like something all over the country, so it’s like, it’s so nice to all get together. But especially when it’s like if it’s a friend and it’s like every part of it, I haven’t personally been to one where it’s like every single wedding event you have to fly to, but I’ve heard of one where it’s like engagement party, bridal shower, bachelorette party, and wedding that you have to fly to all of them.
It’s like, no, that’s not happening for me. Not happening. That’s unreasonable to ask. Yeah, that’s, yeah. unless you’re paying for everybody to go. Oh yeah. If you’ve got boatloads of money and you just wanna buy, pay for everybody.
Lisandra Vasquez: Taylor Swift. I can
Christa Innis: everybody hop on the pj.
Yeah,
let’s go. but in fact, if she wasn’t paying for people in her wedding, I would be actually pissed. Like furious. Furious. Like at that point. Yeah. my mother-in-law said that they would leave the wedding if all of their guests weren’t invited to the reception. I was livid. Okay, then don’t come.
Okay. and that, here’s another mother-in-law. One, my mother-in-law treats me so poorly that I have decided to cut her off and my husband doesn’t get it. Ooh. He’s choosing her over you. Then we just said, you know, if you don’t choose the wife over the mother-in-law, then you’re, um,
Lisandra Vasquez: yeah. Again. I think that the choice has to be made.
and I will say this, that it sucks because maybe the wife could be in the wrong and the toxic one, you don’t know who in that. You never know. Mm-hmm. Don’t know who the toxic one is. ‘ cause I know of a, the dynamic that I know of the wife is the toxic one, but the wife was chosen because that’s the mother of the children.
that’s the one that is gonna mess with his life more.
Christa Innis: Right. I’ve heard of that too. And that’s
Lisandra Vasquez: but I don’t know ma’am. family’s messy and complicated. But I do think that when it comes to mother-in-laws and like the dealing with the parents, it is on the person whose parents that is to mitigate that boundary.
Christa Innis: I agree.
Lisandra Vasquez: Isn’t on the spouse. Mm-hmm. What, no matter the gender, to make sure that they have, they communicate and have boundaries that are appropriate to keep the health of the relationship, if that is their priority. Right. And make sure your marriage lasts, then that becomes your main family and main promise.
And then you have to then make sure that your family gets it.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because I feel like so many of the, discourse or so many of the issues happened behind the scenes where like the, daughter-in-law and mother-in-law are talking and like, they confront each other so then like the partner is nowhere to be found.
So then they’re relaying the information to him and he just has to take word for word. And he’s like, who do I believe now? I’m like at a, crossroad here, because she’s telling me one thing. She’s telling me one thing. And so I feel like I see that a lot of times where it’s like the communication then is just like.
It’s not,
Lisandra Vasquez: it’s just a crazy game of telephone, man.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisandra Vasquez: Oh my gosh. Well that was a crazy story. Thank you so much for coming on and reacting with me. Yeah, man. God, I’m so glad I’m not married. I was say I got really, really lucky. Like, I knew people had issues with their in-laws, but until these start stories started rolling in, I was like, this is insane.
They’re like, no, it’s insane. And I feel like, you know what? I’ll say the, my mom, ‘ cause I have very traditional, mom and in the sense that she’s always wanted me to be married and like the fact that I’m not married is used to be an issue. But then she was like. One time I recently, oh, ’cause I imprinted this in my memory when she was like, I’m proud of you for always knowing when to walk away from a relationship when it no longer suited you or when it no longer served you.
Because I have people in my family who, did get married and then they’re divorcing,or now things, people are estranged and this and that. Like, because it’s a toxic dynamic that they locked themselves into. And she’s like, no, I’m actually, really happy for you that you always chose what was right for you and you are just not settling for a life that doesn’t excite you.
I mean at this point I’m not settling, I’m not like, is somebody that has to add to add to my life
Christa Innis: period. Absolutely. No, I love that. I think it’s just like this, like newer generation too, of like, yes, wedding anniversaries can be, celebratory and stuff, but I don’t look at it as like an accomplishment in the right, in a different, I don’t know.
I don’t want this to come off the wrong way, but like, people can say like, oh, I’ve been married for 40 years, and like, that’s great, but that doesn’t actually show your relationship. ’cause there’s so many, how many people are married for 40 years and hate each other? Or they’re having two different lives, literally, you know?
And so like, I was never someone, I talk about this, but like, I was never someone that was my, didn’t have kids. I never was like that. I was like, I wanna get married once I’m like established a little bit more in my career. I wanna be in my thirties. Like it’s just,
Lisandra Vasquez: yeah. And then, and then we’ll see what comes.
But um, yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I just feel like that, like so many people in these stories that we hear, it’s like, they just wanna check the boxes. And it’s like, that’s all well and good, but then in 30 years down the line, you’re gonna be happy. Are you gonna enjoy your life?
Lisandra Vasquez: People with the patriarchy, man, people trying to always center that as the main goal in our lives.
and I also think I’ve just had a natural sense of that not being the main focus of my life. Mm-hmm. From the jump. I never, but fantasize about getting married or having kids. And even though I played with baby dolls and all that stuff and I had crushes on all the boys, but like, just never thought that it was just not a natural way for me to be to mm-hmm.
Wanna center my life around men. ‘ cause I think I have such, like, even though patriarchy exists, like I’ve always only looked up at women.
Christa Innis: that were really strong. And so I was like, oh, I wanna be like them.
Yeah.
Lisandra Vasquez: and none of them were relying on men. and also just by example, all the people that are smartest in my life are women.
Mm. The people that are the most, healthy, extraordinary, in terms of like showing up for their friends, showing up for their families, showing up in their careers, showing up for themselves. they’re all my girlfriends and they’re all like the, my mentors and the people that I look up to. So, I’m cursed with heterosexuality, which sucks, but that is something that I have to deal with.
Yeah. but that, with that being said, that’s why I’m like, oh, it’s no trouble for me to like not have a man in my life because besides that, of course like the heart piece, but I love myself. I have a dog. You know, like we all, like, there’s other ways. I’m okay waiting for that because I have so much love with everyone else in my life.
So when I do meet somebody eventually, it’s not coming from a place that, of a super empty cup that needs to be filled. And I do feel like men don’t have that a lot. Men don’t come from full cups often. some do. There
Christa Innis: are some, well, and that’s why there’s, you know, like the loneliness epidemic where Yeah.
Male loneliness epidemic is. ’cause they’re like, wait, women can’t survive without us. Wait, what they don’t want my money. It’s like, no, we can make our own money.
Lisandra Vasquez: then they also don’t wanna give money now. Yes. What do you bring to the table? I need you to, provide free labor for me, and I also need you to pay half the bills.
Christa Innis: Uhhuh.
Lisandra Vasquez: Yeah. And you need to also have my kids, and you also need to look really good.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisandra Vasquez: that’s really fun. it makes modern stuff really well, but, but it really does make you appreciate, the great men in our lives because I do know some great men. so whenever it’s like the appreciating it when you see it, even if it’s a friend of mine that’s in a relationship, like I can look and be like, you know what, Hey, there, he exists.
and he is a good man. He is in a good relationship. He treats her well. I almost like hang onto that energy to be like, yeah, that’s the blueprint. That’s, and we like, so it does like, it’s almost like hanging onto the proof of concept and you’re like, so it does exist and there are people that do have good relationships that does, I don’t making sense, but it does, exist.
Oh, for sure. And so that’s why I know that I don’t have to settle for something that’s not that, because that exists.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And I’ve seen it, like I never had to explain to my husband that my career was important. Never once. Like, he always knew I was that kind of person and I was like, this is the life I live.
Like, he washes dishes probably more than I do. Like he does more of the traditional, you know, I love that. I’ve never had to say like, I don’t know,
Lisandra Vasquez: that’s just, I said a, I said a friend of mine, he just like made a response video to somebody saying that women need to be more traditional. And he goes like, sorry, hot girls are gonna do hot girl shit, man.
Like, what are you gonna do? Like if you wanna hot girl, she’s gonna do hot girl stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So she’s gonna, she’s gonna be out, she’s gonna look good. She’s gonna like go and like, have friends. She’s gonna travel, she’s gonna wanna do this. Like, sorry, if that’s what you want, she’s not gonna be submissive.
Yeah. They don’t think she can be in certain, in certain she can be, submissive in certain aspects for sure. But like, you can’t come on. Yeah. No. A hundred percent. They like want, Sydney Sweeney in the Prairie. You know what I mean? Like, no. Yeah.
Christa Innis: they want the look, they want their, like, list of things, but then they don’t wanna feel emasculated by anything that they do.
Right. So they can’t make more money than them. They can’t have their own hobbies or passions, but then they can sit around on their butt, then they complain.
Lisandra Vasquez: Yeah. And you can’t get more attention than them either.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I used to work for a mom company years ago, and this is before I even had my daughter, but like I was in like the mom groups and stuff, like managing for the moms and whatever, and the number of moms that would say like how their husbands would come home and treat them.
Like they would work these like nine to five jobs and expect they could just come home and put their feet up when they’ve been with the kids all day. And I was like, may that life never fi, I don’t want that. Literally, I think that’s why
Lisandra Vasquez: I don’t have any desire to have kids and be with a family unless it’s right.
I used to work as a nanny a lot, as my part-time job. So like I’ve babysat, I’ve been a personal assistant for like a family assistant, so where I was with kids it very intimately with, other people’s marriage and family dynamics and I’m like, cool, no,
Christa Innis: not for me.
This
Lisandra Vasquez: is
Christa Innis: not, not
Lisandra Vasquez: for me, not for me. there’s so much, yeah. but then there are some that are good, and those, you’re like, oh, that’s the one. They’re like, if it happens may this kind find me not that one.
Christa Innis: Yeah. But the scary thing is not to scare people out there listening, but the scary thing is you don’t know necessarily what kind you’re gonna get until after you have kids.
Until after. Yeah. Like, yeah, you see qualities, like, obviously I married my husband, so I knew what qualities you to have, but you don’t know until the baby comes like, oh, are they gonna whimper out and be like, this is too much for me, or are they gonna step up? Because you don’t know, you don’t always know.
Which is, that’s the gamble of, Yeah. I guess.
Lisandra Vasquez: but also I think that knowing that you have someone that you have a good communication base with. I think always helps because even if they’re tapped out, if you have somebody that is healthy and can know how to work, like identify what’s happening with them and is willing to work on them, because if they do, oh, this is a lot I need to tap out, maybe we can come up with a way that, okay, on Sundays I get to go do this thing for three hours so then I don’t feel like I’m tapped out.
Mm-hmm. And like you’ve come up with a plan, but that’s somebody that’s like healthy and dedicated to the family, but like, Hey, this is, I just need to be really honest. This is over, this is like really rocking my system in a way that I wasn’t expecting.
Christa Innis: Yeah. That’s
Lisandra Vasquez: I feel like that’s why when you choose somebody to be a lifelong partner and then have kids with, that’s a huge deal.
Like looking for those green flags are, I think, are super important. And a lot of the times people push through those and don’t collect that information ’cause they’re like, oh, they’ll be fine. They, you make a lot of assumptions about how you think people would act based on how you would act
In those circumstances and that is so wrong. Yes.
Christa Innis: Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I feel like I could talk about this so forever. I feel, I am so passionate about that kind of stuff, but I feel like I always end like these episodes with like getting on some kind of tangent about something. And I love how like it just turns into it because, because I guess I was telling you before we started recording, it’s like people hear Party Plan by Krista like as my like account name.
And they’re like, oh, she’s a wedding planner. She talks about weddings and I’m like. It’s so much more than that. People, it’s so much more than that.
Lisandra Vasquez: So much more. And there’s so many, there’s so much drama. There’s so much like dynamic, dynamic when it comes to things dynamic. It’s, it’s wild.
Christa Innis: yeah.
Like we really get into like boundaries of like, a lot of the, like the mother-in-law thing can start from the boy mom dynamic. And so like that, where’s that come from? The patriarchy of like, bowing down to like the sun or, you know, that kind of thing. If he’s so much, he’s never done anything wrong and yeah, there’s so many subtopics.
But thank you so much for coming on. I love the Of course. Thank you chatting. Thank for having me. can you tell everyone again where they can follow you, find your content and then anything exciting you’re working on?
Lisandra Vasquez: so I am, on Lisandra v Comedy on all platforms, TikTok, Instagram, even Facebook.
And Blue Sky and the YouTubes, I’m on all of them, the same handle. I have some shows coming up. I don’t know when this is going out, I’ll be in Chicago, New York and Denver, doing some standup comedy, but most of the time I’m performing here in Atlanta. Awesome. Awesome. Well, thank you so much.
Thank you for having me.
Dress Codes, Divided Families & Day-Of Disasters With Lisa P.
What happens when a dream wedding breaks more than just budgets?
In this episode, Lisa Pontius shares how her whirlwind romance turned into a wedding that fractured friendships—literally.
From unexpected parent fallout to the silent war of traditions and finances, Christa and Lisa unpack the hidden landmines of wedding planning that no one warns you about.
Plus, they dive into viral hot takes—from guest dress codes to social media restrictions—and ask: are you really ready to get married, or just pressured to?
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Episode Chapter Markers
00:00 Introduction
00:34 Lisa’s Background and Content Focus
01:25 Self-Care and Mental Health Through Fashion
02:48 Crazy Wedding Stories Begin
03:06 Lisa’s Wedding Journey and Family Drama
05:07 Wedding Planning Stress and Family Dynamics
14:21 Wedding Hot Takes and Opinions
25:02 Wedding Story Submissions
28:26 Wedding Mishaps in the Heat
30:26 Rainy Wedding Stories
31:59 Reception Disasters
33:54 The Missing Bride and Groom
38:02 Wedding Planning Realities
42:37 Weekly Confessions
Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- When the In-Laws Stop Speaking – Lisa shares how her and her husband’s parents became friends, then stopped speaking after the wedding drama unfolded.
- Wedding Planning Pressure Cooker – Money, expectations, and tradition clashed hard during Lisa’s wedding, revealing everyone’s “ugliest selves.”
- The Myth of the Perfect Day – Lisa reflects on being the bride: “I wish I had been a guest at my own wedding.”
- Hot Take: Dress Code Boundaries – Lisa and Christa break down why curating your event is not controlling—it’s thoughtful.
- Unrealistic Wedding Expectations – How Pinterest weddings and movie moments set brides up for anxiety and disappointment.
- Setting Social Media Limits – Can couples really control what guests post? Lisa shares her surprisingly balanced take.
- Marriage > Wedding – With 12 years of marriage behind her, Lisa offers clarity on what really matters post-vows.
- Planning Regrets and Lessons Learned – Why day-of coordinators are non-negotiable, and what every bride should do first.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “My number one tip for brides—get on the same page with your partner first. Block out all the noise.” – Christa Innis
- “Weddings bring out everyone’s true colors… and not always in a good way.” – Christa Innis
- “You cannot blame the wedding party for a day you refused to plan.” – Christa Innis
- “Marriage should enhance your life—not be the only thing holding it together.” – Christa Innis
- “You don’t have to follow a timeline. Everyone’s journey is different.” – Christa Innis
- “Everyone is kind of their ugliest selves around wedding planning. It’s a recipe for disaster.” – Lisa P.
- “I joke that I wish I had been a guest at my wedding—being the bride was not awesome.” – Lisa P.
- “Weddings are not indicative of marriage. They’re a totally weird, standalone experience.” – Lisa P.
- “You’re not just curating photos. You’re curating an entire experience.” – Lisa P.
- “Be careful who your parents become friends with. You might be stuck with them forever.” – Lisa P.
About Lisa
Lisa Pontius is a New Yorker-turned-Charleston housewife who brings bold opinions, vintage glam, and real talk to every conversation. A former culinary school grad and kitchen pirate, Lisa traded 12-hour shifts for southern living—and never looked back. She first began sharing her story online during the pandemic and quickly found her voice talking about motherhood, self-worth, toxic relationships, and societal norms—always with a splash of style. Now known for her blend of 1950s glamour and modern edge, Lisa dishes up a mix of fashion, fire, and unfiltered honesty that’s anything but boring.
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Christa Innis: Hi, Lisa. Thank you so much for joining me.
Lisa P: Hi. Thank you for having me.
Christa Innis: Yes, I am so excited to dive into this. like we were just saying before, recording, there’s so much drama when it comes around weddings and events and all that stuff. But before I talk too much, can you just tell everyone a little bit about you and, I don’t know, like maybe what interested you in coming on?
I feel like I’ve seen your content. A lot and I feel like you share a lot of important takes so I’m just interested to hear a little bit more about you and, what kinda I interested you.
Lisa P: Yeah. well, I’m Lisa. My handle is, it’s me, Lisa p across all socials. I share a lot about motherhood and relationships on my page, so, the conversation of weddings absolutely comes up.
The conversation of marriage comes up. So, I was intrigued to kind of come on here and talk about some of the drama that surrounds it. but yeah, my content really focuses on. relationship motherhood centered, but with like a real life spin. I like to kind of get to the why of the way things are, in a cute outfit.
So a little bit
Christa Innis: of everything. Yeah. I just say like, I love your style. I am always like you so put together. And I like thought about that when I was like coming on. I was like, okay, I need to make sure I’m like. dressed well because I know Lisa will be, she has such good style.
Lisa P: Listen, I love an outfit, but I’m just as likely to show up in, like my gym clothes if I haven’t had a chance to get changed.
So I totally get it. I just, this is one of my like self-care pick me up things that kind of got me out of my motherhood blues, and I consistently keep up with it because I know it’s. Like such a mental health thing for me.
Christa Innis: Yes. I am right there with you that I did the same thing. Like especially with working from home, I feel like you don’t see a lot of people all the time or like, I’m just here with my child.
And so sometimes it was just like, I need that feeling of like getting ready. And so like, even when I was home during like COVID, I was like, I need to like make sure I like, do something to make for myself. It’s like an
Lisa P: art. I think I got more into it actually during COVID because I was already a stay at home mom.
But I had that like busy schedule outside of the home, so I’d go from like gym to running errands to being with the kids. So I like wouldn’t have that time. And then once everyone was home, yeah, like fully sweat panted, I was like, oh no, no, no. I gotta get up and put some pants on because Yeah. Otherwise this is gonna be it for the next decade for sure.
Yeah.
Christa Innis: Oh, a hundred percent. I know. I was like, I can’t be someone, I can’t just like sit. In sweats all day Of course, there are days I am in sweats all day. I will not never deny that. I love a good sweatsuit, but If I’m like doing something from home, I’m like, I still need to like do something or else I will just melt into my bed.
Lisa P: For sure. It shifts your energy I think and it like definitely makes me feel more, especially ’cause I’m around little people all day, you know? It makes me feel like a little bit more adult.
Christa Innis: Yes, absolutely. I love that. Okay, so jumping into like crazy stories, people love hearing the crazy wedding stories.
I’m sure we’ve all have witnessed. I know I have some things you have. A situation, I dunno if situation’s the right word, something that happened in your family when it’s relating to weddings and marriage. So I dunno if you wanna talk a little bit more about that.
Parents Became Best Friends… Until the Wedding Planning Began
Lisa P: Sure. so I feel like I have to preface this with me and my husband moved very quickly, like right after we met.
We knew that was at one, like we were ready. I think we like attempted to put a deposit on a wedding venue down before we were even like. Publicly engaged. Wow. So it was very untraditional in that sense. And I think that sort of started off the entire wedding journey with our respective families and kind of threw everyone for a loop from the get go.
we were just ready to get married as soon as we met. And, yeah, so we actually met because. My parents who were like new transplants to Charleston, which is where I’m still living. they had met his parents and they had become fast friends, so they. Friends first before I had even met my husband, before I had even like, heard of my husband.
Christa Innis: and somehow, like through the process of us getting married, their relationship completely disintegrated. And you hear it all the time with weddings that like friendships will break up.
Mm-hmm.
Lisa P: But like, this was so out of left field because these were like the adults in the room, right. Like these were the parents.
Christa Innis: Yeah, especially too, because like, I dunno, I feel like that’s like a dream for a lot of people. Like they meet and then it’s like, oh my gosh, maybe our kids will get married. You know? Like it just,
Lisa P: well we thought we had it hacked. We thought we were about to hit the grandparent lottery of like, oh, we’ll have kids and they’ll just all watch these kids and just hang out.
Like, this will be great. It did not work out like that.
Christa Innis: Was it the wedding planning? And of course like if, there’s anything like. Too intrusive or you don’t wanna share, like, just stop me. do you think the wedding planning or like the moving fast or anything with that, that had to do with it or just like happened soon?
I think
Lisa P: so. It was 100% the wedding mostly. I mean, I don’t, again, I’m not privy to like what went on behind closed doors in their friendship. There might have been like some underlying stuff, like, who knows, right? that’s their drama. But the wedding. Added so much like pressure onto it and onto me and my husband at the time too.
Wedding planning is extremely stressful. There’s money involved, there’s like traditions involved. There’s a lot of things that like are much more serious than like a social relationship, and sometimes you kind of, what I think happened is like their incompatibilities as. Friends kind of got blown up like blown wider because of the wedding planning and the pressure of that.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I was just talking to someone how like weddings, especially when you bring in two families together, almost brings in this like Unnecessary comparison though, right? Because it’s like if someone’s like, let’s say like family A is like really into planning and like maybe they have a little more finances or something.
The other one not so much. They might feel a little like. Uh, not insecure about it, but they might be like, Ooh, like I’m uncomfortable with this, or I feel like they’re doing so much and I can’t do enough, or, I’m being pushed out. when that might not be actually happening. They might just kind of have those feelings of like.
what’s going on here?
Lisa P: I think everybody wants it to be like, really, even like really down the line. And like in movies you see it, you know, there’s like the bride side and the groom side, and it’s equal. And I think that’s just not as realistic as like it actually goes down.
I know in our situation, both of my parents are only children, so there isn’t like a huge extended family on that end. But traditionally the bride pays for the wedding. So like. There was a lot of like, well, this seems like a lot of your people and like, we don’t have a lot of people and we had a very small wedding anyway because that’s just what we wanted.
but it definitely. Everyone had a lot of feelings about it, about like how many people were coming, how many cousins we could invite, who all was gonna be there, who all was paying for what, and it just, ugh.
Christa Innis: It like there’s so many Yeah. Opinions that come into a wedding that it’s like, it’s so hard. My number one tip for brides like that, like watch and like listen. I’m just like, get on the same page with your partner first. Block out all the noise because it’s so hard. It’s like you get people coming in that you maybe never had an opinion on anything before.
And they come in, they’re like, you need this. And you’re like, wait, do I need, yeah. Where did this come from?
Lisa P: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think weddings are in some way, like. Not indicative at all of marriage. So I think it’s such a weird standalone experience. And again, I’m now looking at it like 12. We just celebrated our 12 year anniversary, so like 12 years later, all the feelings have subsided.
We can laugh at it now, right? we can all laugh at the drama and the craziness and how stressed we were because it wasn’t the end of the world at the end of the day, we got married and we’ve been married and marriage is longer right than,the wedding part, but. I think, you know, the family’s coming together.
This is the first time where people have to like work together, you know, work within each other’s boundaries. Maybe set some boundaries, maybe do things that their mother-in-law doesn’t like. Maybe like these are the first things that you’re like, oh, I’m not gonna be able to make everyone happy and myself happy all at the same day the same way.
Christa Innis: Yeah, yeah, that’s true. It’s like all the personalities coming together and. Certain ones really shining a certain a way me might not have seen before. I’ve definitely seen it in a lot of weddings. I’ve seen it in a lot of just events in general. Just like family events. You see like, oh, that’s how they, they are in this light.
Right? Or this is, that’s how feel about that. Interesting. Yeah. I feel like, you know, it’s just like. Especially like you don’t know what other pressures they’re getting. Like I know like just certain brides, like I’ve known before, they get married and then I know them during their wedding and I know them after their wedding and I’m like, oh, some of them were different people during all of those stages.
And not saying good or bad, I’m just saying like they just had different pressures put on them or different, you know, situations. And it’s just interesting how that comes up.
Lisa P: I mean, I know I felt victim to like the want everything to be perfect, like hyper fixating. I think brides in general do that. I think that’s where the bride Silda comes from.
Yep. Um, because there’s so much pressure to want this day to be this like picture perfect. Oh my God. Once in a million like time moment. And there’s so much pressure on it that I like. Oh my God. I, I joke with people all the time that I wish I had been a guest at my wedding. ’cause my wedding was awesome. Being the bride at my wedding was not awesome.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I, I heard that so many times and I was one of the later ones, like outta my friend group. I was like the la one of the last ones to get married. And I, my husband and I had been in so many weddings, so I’ve seen so many and I heard so many bride say that they were like.
I didn’t get to enjoy it or like there was too much of this going on or I kept getting pulled in different directions and so I was like, okay, I wanna try so hard not for that, to that to happen. Of course it did in to some extent, but yeah, you hear about that so many times. You put all this pressure on this day and half the time the bride and groom don’t get to enjoy it the way they want to.
Lisa P: Yeah. I think there’s just so much anxiety and so much riding on it and like. I feel like that contributed a ton to our parents, like kind of having a friend break up, um, during it for sure. Because everyone is kind of like, and this sounds terrible because it’s like a day of love, but like everyone’s kind of their ugliest selves, um, around like wedding planning.
’cause there’s big money and there’s big expectations and there’s big family. It’s a recipe for disaster. Yeah. Like, it’s just a recipe for like, something to happen. Like there’s gonna be some drama. It could be like with your girlfriends, it could be with like a bridesmaid or a groomsman or like, it doesn’t have to be your immediate family, but like, something’s coming up.
Christa Innis: Yeah, yeah. Oh, that’s for sure. It’s, they say everyone’s like, true colors come out during like intense moments and events like that. Um, so moving past that, so they kind of just like drifted apart and like. Now at family events, they just kinda like drift by. They like still aren’t
They Were Supposed to Be Co-Grandparents
Lisa P: friends. Um, they are co grandparents.
Um, and there are like family events where everybody comes and everyone’s like, fine and peaceful. But like I, I almost like to the point where I almost forget that they used to hang out like independently before us. You know what I mean? Like mm-hmm. They act like Stranger Law grandparents. Um, but yeah, they used to like.
Have beers by the pool and hang out and like that just blows my mind.
Christa Innis: Wow, that’s so interesting. It’s interesting how relationships can just change so quickly like that when you go through an experience, I guess.
Lisa P: Well, and I’m sure they, they all in their own way probably like, ugh, we’re gonna have to see them forever.
Like a divorced couple. Yes.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Like they’re literally going through all those stages. ’cause they’re gonna. Like they, yeah, you can’t just ghost
Lisa P: each
Christa Innis: other and like never
Lisa P: see each other again because it would be easier, like you could totally do that one. One set of these parents doesn’t even live here anymore, so like it would be easy to never even think about each other except for the fact that you share grandchildren now.
So be careful who your friends are. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh, yes. Wow. Yeah, I would say that would be a, I don’t even know if I would call the crazy story. It’s, it’s sad that that happens and it’s like sad that there’s like pressure on weddings and stuff, but, uh, I guess I. Maybe it wasn’t meant to be at the end, but
Lisa P: it, it was meant to be because you guys met through it.
I like to think that they were friends only for long enough to like bring me and my husband together. That’s my like silver lining about it, that they were never really meant to be friends. That that was kind of part of like the plan.
Christa Innis: Yes. I love that. I love that. And you guys knew right off the beginning, right from the bat that it was meant to.
Lisa P: Yeah, we knew. We knew really early and like, I know everybody says that. Some people get that like light bulb moment. Personally, like full disclosure, I didn’t have the light bulb moment. My husband had the light bulb moment. Um, but he, yeah, he turned to his dad after the first weekend we had met and we met at my dad’s.
60th birthday and we met because I flew down to Charleston for my dad’s birthday. And my husband’s parents were guests at like this birthday party, Shindi situation. And they like roped him into coming to kind of like, hang out with me ’cause I would be the only like under 60-year-old person. Um, and that’s how we met.
We were like kind of, they say it was like, it wasn’t a setup, but. It worked.
Christa Innis: Yeah. It like wasn’t a set up, but they were like, he’s got a son. They’ve got a son. I don’t know. You’re home. Yeah. Like, take your son maybe. Yeah. It was all meant to be in, in just a, a different kind of way. Um, all right. I love that.
Thanks. Thanks for sharing that. Um, okay, let’s get into some wedding hot takes. So these are different hot takes that people. Send to me on my stories and we’re just gonna kind of react to them, say what you kind of, what you think about them. Okay. Um, all right. Should couples get to control what guests post on social media about their wedding?
Lisa P: I guess it depends before or after the wedding, but like, I don’t think so.
Christa Innis: I know I’ve never really heard of that before. Lately I’ve been getting a few more like that, that are saying like, I don’t see, I was never like. I
Lisa P: feel like I got maybe too early to like even have that as like a conversation because like, like the hashtag thing hadn’t happened.
So I don’t think you can control everyone around you. No, unfortunately, no. Yeah. I feel
Christa Innis: like when it comes to like, okay, the bride’s getting ready and she hasn’t like come out yet. Yeah. Like don’t post.
Lisa P: Yeah. Don’t
Christa Innis: post a picture
Lisa P: of the bride in her dress before she does her like walk down the aisle. Like, be respectful.
Don’t post any pictures where the bride looks bad. I feel like that’s just not being a, a friend. Right? Like, you know, if you catch her like picking a booger, maybe don’t post that one. Um, but yeah, as far as like what they can share, I, I don’t see a problem with it.
Christa Innis: I feel it’s like the age we live in, it’s like you just know, like being a bride or groom at the wedding.
Like people are gonna take pictures, hopefully not during the ceremony if you have no photos, but you know.
Lisa P: Yeah, you’re not just gonna be able to share your professional photos. People will have like candidates and stuff.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And last times those turn out really good. I mean, I didn’t have photos like during the ceremony, but like I had some random like f friends that took photos, like during our fir first dance that were like so good that like just, they just happened to catch.
And I was like, you don’t. Yeah.
Lisa P: Um, we had a great video. We had a videographer, which I think was like pretty new when we got married. We got married in 2013, so like, okay. It was a while ago. Um, so we had a videographer and we had a photographer and I wanted a lot of those candid, so we did get a good amount of those, which I’m so thankful for because I think those are so fun.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I know. I ended up liking ’cause Yeah, we did the same, we had two photographers and a videographer and I loved the candid photos like so much more than the stage ones. Like the stage ones. I was like, oh no.
Lisa P: That was one of the things I had to fight my family on ’cause I wanted like a very. I guess now you would call it like editorial style.
Mm-hmm. Photography. Um, ’cause I just thought it was so romantic and pretty and like again, this was right like in the middle of Pinterest wedding, so I was like, let me do something a little different. Um, and they were like, no, you have to have the like portraits. We have to do every family member in every iteration stand there, smile, portrait.
And I was like, okay. That one. I was fine.
Christa Innis: You’re like, all right, that’s your thing. Okay. Yeah, I know
Lisa P: I have those though now, but
Mood Boards, Dress Codes & Wedding Boundaries
Christa Innis: I, yeah, it’s like I feel like they’re the ones that like look nice, but like I felt like when I was looking through them, I was like, that just doesn’t look like me. But yeah, you gotta have those, but sometimes you gotta do the old school thing for sure.
Yeah, it’s good. It’s a balance. Um, all. Is it setting boundaries or just controlling to ban certain songs, colors, or styles from your wedding? Because I’ve been hearing this more and more about people like setting a certain, like, no,
Lisa P: actually, I think that’s setting boundaries. In fact, I don’t think it’s controlling.
I think it is like, I think it’s curating. Mm,
Christa Innis: mm-hmm.
Lisa P: You’re curating your event. And I’m a girl who loves a theme. Okay. So like, if someone gave me a color palette and a vibe, I would be fucking psyched. Um, because I’d be like, what we’re doing glam Met Gala, black Tie. Got it. Like, I feel like. I think that is curating not just like the after products, like the photos and stuff, but you’re curating the whole experience.
Mm-hmm. Which makes it a more immersive experience in general, and that kind of elevates everyone’s exper experience.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I was just talking to someone about it and people get so offended by. Being told there’s a theme or like certain things to follow, but as like a planner as like, I don’t know, type A in, in some aspects, I love being told it too.
Like if they’re like, wear a shade of pink. I’m like, let me find my best pink. Um, let me look for it. Yeah,
Lisa P: no, I know at least that, you know, the expectation I, my biggest pet peeve is where it’s like so randomly vague that you’re like, what does this mean? Yeah, like barn cocktail, I’m like. Our boots too much, right?
Like where are we at? Like which level? Give me, give me more references. Gimme a Pinterest board. That would be great. Gimme a reference. Yeah. I have a friend of mine who does this constantly and she’s a, like a photo stylist and like it’s very on brand for her. This is what she does, like her living. But whenever she has an event, she will send out a mood board.
Oh my gosh, I love that. Or like outfits. So she had, um, her, God, was it her 40th? I think it, no, it couldn’t have been her 40th. Anyway, she had a big birthday that just happened and she had it at a magic show and she sent out a mood board and everybody showed up and showed out. And like we were the only group that was dressed up.
Okay. Like circus for performers. But we were all doing it together. Okay. Yeah. And it had colors, it had mood and vibe, and she was like, this is the vibe. And everyone was like. Bet and like someone came as like the rabbit coming out of the hat. It was wild, but it was so much fun. Oh gosh. If you’re not to that, I can understand why that would be intimidating, but you could still just pick colors.
Yes. You know, you could, you could still adhere to it.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I think it’s nice because when there’s those times, certain events, not necessarily a wedding, but we’re like. It looks like everyone’s attending a different event. Like someone’s in a formal dress, someone’s in like leggings and a t-shirt, and it’s like, we’re like, what’s the, I always, I feel like I always try to dress a little nicer than I think ’cause I’m like, I don’t ever look under.
Take it from me. Yes. That was like, I feel like someone told me that years ago and I was like, yeah, I always wanna be a little, little over, because you never really know what to, what
Lisa P: to expect. Yeah. Well, listen, if someone’s gonna talk about you, you would rather them talk about like, wow, she was really overdressed, but that was a great outfit.
Yes. Than like, oh, yikes. You know what I mean? Like you’d always rather be like shining. Yes. Yeah. Like let’s not wear like jeans to a wedding. But I also feel like the dress code thing has gotten very convoluted in between like our parents’ generation and our generation and now like the younger generation getting married.
I feel like people really don’t understand, and I see this on TikTok all the time, and I feel like since you’re in the wedding sphere, you probably see it a lot, but like people don’t understand the difference between cocktail and black tie or black tie and white tie and these sort of like. I feel like giving the vibe and the color and like a theme is like the new way of doing that.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I agree. Because I’ve definitely have spent time like googling, like, okay, it says cocktail formal. And I’m like, what does that mean? Is that like a step up from cocktail? And I’m like, what does that mean? Um, so yeah, I, I agree. I feel like that’s their way of like helping them out. Like some people take it as like.
Oh, it’s so, um, you know, Bri the Bridezilla term so entitled, so it’s bridezilla to do this, but I’m like, I feel like from a bride’s perspective, they’re like, no, I’m, I’m trying to help. Like, I’m just like giving you some guidelines so you like, it’s easier. You’re like,
Lisa P: yeah, it’s a formal event, but it’s also like in a meadow with like grass and flowers and like, yeah, you might not wanna come in like a sequined ball gown.
Like, it’s just not gonna fit the vibe. So like, yeah, here’s the thing.
Christa Innis: Yes. We want you to feel comfortable and at home here. That’s why I always think about it. Um, awesome. What was the last one? Should a maid of honor or best man ever bring someone the bride or groom used to date? Oh, I’m gonna say no.
Lisa P: No, that’s not even like a hot take.
That’s like a obvious one. Yeah,
Christa Innis: I would, I would hope not. I’ve been seeing these like crazy stories lately. Um, someone commented on a video saying that. She was at a wedding where the maid of honor gave a speech for her sister. He was her twin sister. Turns out she had dated the groom before and in her speech talked about how she was a better sister and that he should have picked her.
I was like, how is this real? Like I, I don’t
Lisa P: you marry your sister’s ex-boyfriend. That’s what my thought. Like that. Wait, yeah. Like five steps back.
Christa Innis: How? How? Yeah. I was like, ’cause she’s like, he, when he met the twin, he’d left the other one. So I’m like, how intense was like, were they like teenagers and dated or were they like living together?
Yeah. Was
Lisa P: this like 10 years apart? You know what I mean? Like dated the sister in middle school. Right. Maybe if that’s the situation where it was like a, you know, you were eight years old in third grade handing notes back together and you were like, this is my boyfriend. And then like. If your sister started doing him in college, then I could get it.
That’s like the only scenario I could see that being Right. That’s like just really tricky waters. Like I just like not for me, not for me. It’s not for me. Absolutely not. I have two sisters and never has there been a stream crossed ever in any way, nor would there ever. That is just, Nope.
Christa Innis: No thank you. No, I’m the same with friends too.
Like I know people that I’m like, oh, I dated my friend’s ex, whatever. I’m just like, once a friend is like with that person, I’m like, no, I’m good. Thank you.
Lisa P: Agree. The closest I ever did was I dated for like a long time. A guy that my friend had like a hookup once with, and there was a conversation ahead of time.
Like, there’s gotta be a cur, like a courtesy call, right? Being like, Hey, is this weird for you? Is this okay? Are we okay? Yes. Yeah. ’cause that’s just, that’s real code. I mean, you’ve gotta, oh, sure. You, you can’t date someone’s like. No, that’s no. Yeah, don’t
Christa Innis: bring ’em to a wedding. Please. Definitely. Also don’t
Lisa P: bring them to the wedding.
Christa Innis: Yeah, no surprises. Especially. Okay, let’s get into this week’s wedding story submission. So these are a bunch of submissions that are sent to me. I don’t read them ahead of time, and we’ll just react in real time. So feel free to stop me or I’ll pause and here we go. Let’s brace ourselves. Okay. This wedding was just one crazy thing after another.
We all flew across the country from Oregon to Georgia. So, um, though some of us flew into Nashville and drove to save some money so the bride could get married at her parents’ house. The thing is they lived in a pretty normal subdivision and Georgia that they had moved to after she went off to college.
So she had no emotional attachment to it, and very few attendees lived nearby. She had been there for a month preparing for the wedding, but when we arrived the week before, she hadn’t done anything with the fake flowers to make them into bouquets. Hadn’t picked a single song for the dj, not even first dance, so we jumped in to help.
While I was helping her compose the song list, her dad yelled at me for being on his computer, even though his daughter was sitting right there with me. The morning of the wedding, the bride was on the front yard, in the front yard, setting up chairs for the ceremony and starting to yell, I’m claustrophobic if you’re not helping set up chairs, get out of the yard and none of you are helping.
We tried to help, but she really didn’t know what she needed help with and kept redoing everything herself, like moving chairs half an inch to the right. Yikes. Um. When she was finally getting ready to get dressed, her mom was nowhere to be found. After waiting over an hour, we sent the bride’s brother to check the neighbor’s houses, and they found her mom getting her hair and makeup done there.
When she finally came back to the bridal suite, which was actually just the master bedroom, the bride wanted a picture of her mom helping her into her dress. For some reason, instead of stepping into it, they lifted it up over her head and fell straight onto the mother of brides. Freshly applied bright red lipstick.
Oh my God, that, that’s my nightmare. That’s terrible. She said yes. It stained the dress. Oh no. If she’s already like that panicky, that’s razzled
Lisa P: and pissed off. Oh my God.
Christa Innis: Uh, everyone panicked. I ran to the computer. This was 2009, no smartphones yet, so I googled to how to, how to get lipstick out of the wedding dress.
I don’t even remember what the solution was, but we found the instructions and luckily the stain wasn’t too noticeable in photos, so we moved on with the day. The bride had insisted to get these fancy high heels that matched the floral belt on her dress. Most of the bridesmaids didn’t order them in time, but we all had to have heels and colors that coordinated with the floral belt.
I was her roommate, so I made sure to order them early. They were expensive and uncomfortable. You were talking about like the having everyone look the same. Um, and of course we had to walk through a yard in them since the aisle was in the grass,
Lisa P: so that was something that was not thought through. Like, this is already just like bad planning like this, this can all be attributed to a lot of bad planning.
Christa Innis: Yeah. This is just like not thinking of like the logistics behind everything. It’s like, yeah, you want these great shoes, but we’re gonna be walking in muddy grass or you know, through the grass. Yeah. Yeah. Ooh. I’m already like bat in heels, so walking in grass is terrible. Um, okay. We basically, um, aerated that lawn, our aerated the lawn ourselves.
I nearly lost a shoe and another bridesmaid almost fell. They, they scheduled the ceremony for 5:00 PM in direct sunlight. In the middle of July, the bride was sweating so much. One of her brothers, a groomsman, passed a handkerchief to the best man who passed it to the groom and handed it to the bride so she could wipe her face.
Oh, that’s another thing. Weddings, outdoor in the middle of the summer. Like you, it’s so hard to plan for. Like I’ve been to a wedding in the middle of July and same thing, we were like covered in sweat. The sun was literally like in our eyes. I dunno how the writing room felt. Oh my gosh. Well
Lisa P: then your hair.
Yeah, and like the hair, the makeup, the whole thing. Like it’s just
Christa Innis: all that time and money is just,
Lisa P: yeah, I know. We got married at the end of April and in Charleston it’s like hit or miss. We like, luckily had a good day, but we almost got rained out so could go the other way.
Christa Innis: Right. And I feel like that’s, it’s like so hard.
’cause you never know, every month has their kind of battles. Like, same with us. We got married the end of March. And it could be like rain, almost rainy season. We had every kinda weather that day. It was like snow, sun, rain or like whatever. Bring it our way. It’s fine. I think I would take
Lisa P: most things over.
Sweating though. Yeah. Rain. I feel like you could just be like, oh well, like
Christa Innis: there’s been a lot of pretty weddings I’ve seen online with rain and they like have like their umbrellas and it’s all like decked
Lisa P: out still. Do you know that scene from Pirates of the Caribbean? It’s like the second one where she’s like.
The wedding got interrupt, interrupted, but she’s like being rained on. Yes. And I always thought that was so beautiful that you could do this like white gothic wedding almost. If you had like the right vibe, it could definitely work out.
Christa Innis: Yes, and I, and I always look at those brides too, and I’m like. This is a bride that’s there to get married.
She’s like more of like, yes. Like let’s look, make it look a aesthetic and everything. But like, I love when they just show them like running down the aisle or like at the end, like getting rained on. I’m like, I love, that’s, it’s romantic. Yeah, it really is.
Lisa P: It’s, it’s an underrated. We had a, we went to one where it was pouring rain and luckily it, like, it was pouring rain the whole way up until like the, like the, she had to walk down the aisle.
Like we were sitting there. Everyone had like. So, you know, our programs covering our heads, like it was raining and then it stopped. Oh my god, I’m gonna get chills. Um, and this like wasn’t even my wedding. And she, she walks down the aisle, the sun comes out, and a rainbow, a double rainbow comes out at the end of their ceremony.
And I just remember thinking like. That’s amazing. Like Bravo, like I had the best photos. Yeah, the photos were unreal. Like it was so well done. Well done weather. Like it was well done. I love that,
Christa Innis: that
Lisa P: Yeah, that’s the thing too. It does not always happen that way, but I was very happy for her.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I feel like right after our rain, it’s like everything just looks like a little brighter, like Yeah.
That’s amazing. I love that, but the
Lisa P: sweating like a pig. Not so much.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisa P: That I, that I’m kind of out on. There’s no aesthetic way to like handle that. There’s no glistening,
Melted Makeup, Broken Microwaves & Bridezilla Chaos
Christa Innis: no, I’m definitely not one to glisten when I’m sweating either. Um, after the ceremony we took a few pictures and they sent us. Up to the reception venue, a community center in their neighborhood, about half a mile away.
The caterers arrived at the same time the bridal party did. It was Mexican food catered by a restaurant, but they microwaved it on site. There weren’t enough outlets in the prep area, so they plugged the microwaves in throughout the room. Naturally, this overwhelmed the circuit. And tripped a breaker. No, someone had to find the breaker box to reset it.
Lisa P: Oh my gosh. This, oh my God. So my background is in catering and the second it was microwaved on scene, I was like, oh, this is gonna be bad. From like a, just from like, it’s gonna be gross kind of way, but also. The breaker box.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Because even that alone, like micro, we microwaving all the food. These like golf, I’m assuming
Lisa P: it’s like a golf club type thing.
Like they have kitchens, commercial kitchens. Usually I’m kind of think or usually skates will come and like see where they’re serving from ahead of time. So like that’s an interesting, or they would bring their own like. Affordable kitchen type deal. So
Christa Innis: yeah, that seems like another interesting thing with like logistics.
Like if you’re gonna get married at a place to not, for them to not tell you, like the people that like own the venue to be like, Hey, so we don’t actually have a kitchen, so you have to do, bring it hot
Lisa P: or I don’t know. Yeah, bring it hot, have some chaing dishes ready to go, like. Do they have like six microwaves, like through the reception area?
That’s what I’m picturing.
Christa Innis: We’re just gonna put on the head table for a minute. We gotta warm up. Yeah, just all of
Lisa P: these microwaves just showing up. I’m just like,
Christa Innis: yeah. Oh, this poor bride. Does it get worse? I know. Um, there’s a few more paragraphs, so I’m gonna get. Um, okay. Even after all the guests had arrived and had been just standing around talking for 30 minutes, there was still no sign of the bride groom or photographer.
There was no music, no announcements, and people were hungry. That’s one of my worst things at a wedding. I feel like food needs to be like on time. Priority. Sure.
Lisa P: Yeah. People are hungry. Can be drunk. So like feed them early. Yeah.
Christa Innis: You need to fill their bellies. Yeah. Like weddings where you’re waiting like an extra long time for food.
Like I feel like that you remember food, you remember things around food. At weddings, I. We, the wedding party and bride’s parents finally decide to let people go through the buffet. No one told us not to. About 70 minutes after we arrived and around 15 minutes after everyone, everyone had eaten the bride and groom finally show up.
So they’re all eating before the bride and groom come. ’cause no one knows where they are.
Lisa P: I get it. Sometimes you do like cocktail hour or you do like, but you gotta feed people or give ’em drinks or something. Long time.
Christa Innis: You have to think about it as like you’re hosting a party and so like your guests need to be taken care of.
Like yeah, you run away sometimes and do photos and stuff, but it sounds, yeah.
Lisa P: Photos after the ceremony are super standard, but like that’s usually when there’s like cocktail hour with some bites and some food.
Christa Innis: It sounds like there was no like wedding planner or coordinator or some, oh, no, there was no plan.
Get this in the. Oh my gosh. So at that point, the DJ announces them. The bride was livid, that people had eaten Without them, not much we could do. At that point, we had gotten them plates and had them sit down so the rest of the schedule could continue. During the cake cu cutting the groom ended up dripping chocolate down the front of the bride’s dress.
This poor, let’s just go to bed at this point. Done? Yep. Oh my God. Why are we having drip dripping chocolate? Like, we gotta think about these
Lisa P: things
Christa Innis: when we pick our desserts.
Lisa P: Dripping chocolate. I’m not sure I understand, unless it’s like a fondue thing, but,
Christa Innis: uh, yeah. Yeah. Maybe it’s like a. Was that chocolate fountain or something?
I don’t know. Oh gosh. The bridesmaids helped her to the bathroom to clean it up, and of course it just smeared. Luckily she was able to laugh this one off. Okay, that’s good. Good. Okay.
Lisa P: That’s
Christa Innis: a win. Yeah. The next day we saw the couple at brunch before they left for their honeymoon. The only thing the bride could say about the wedding was that she still couldn’t believe that we let people eat before they arrived.
She said it on repeat even after we explained the situation and we even had to remind her of the good parts. We actually stayed friends after that until I broke up with a boyfriend who I’m only, who I only dated for about 10 months, and she had only known for about five. He must have said something wild about me because she texted me saying she was worried about me.
I explained why I broke up with him. He was manipulative, verbally, abusive, narcissistic, and basically never heard from her again after that. Whoa. Interesting. Whoa. That’s a
Lisa P: interesting, uh, that was, that was a wild ending to like, this girl stuck it out for this wedding. Like that she was doing her best to make this day happen.
I know. And after all that, to just get a friend broken up with Yeah. What, I mean, the ex-boyfriend must have said something really heinous.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm.
Lisa P: Like, I feel like you should corroborate that.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I would feel like. Like, if any of my friends, if their boyfriend or partner came to me and said something, I’d be like, yeah, I’m gonna trust my friend over you.
Yeah. I’m gonna
Lisa P: double check on that. I’m
Christa Innis: gonna, we’re
Lisa P: gonna have a
Christa Innis: talk. Yeah. Um, so she just ends with, last I saw she and her husband are still married with kids and seem happy, at least from what I can tell on Facebook. So, um,
They Thought They Could Plan a Wedding…
Lisa P: well, thank goodness they, you know, the, I feel like the, the older generation always says the worse the wedding, the better the marriage.
Or at least that’s, I think what they say like. To make people feel better about things like that. Yeah, yeah. Um, that honestly, I dunno if I, like, I feel like these things didn’t happen to this couple. I feel like this couple like thought they could plan a wedding and did and could not, like, could not plan a wedding and realized way too late.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I find because of the weddings I’ve been a part of, I find there’s a lot of times where people just. Nice as nicely as I can put it. They live in fairytale Land, so they like see a movie and they’re like, oh, that looks beautiful. But they don’t realize there’s all these people, people behind the scenes that make it possible.
So they have all these wishes or like desires for things to happen, and they think it’ll just happen on that day. They don’t realize like, okay, well if you want catering, then you need to have. Someone to set it up or you need a kitchen, or if you want your bridesmaids to wear these dresses, you need like an aisle for them to walk down or you need, you know, like they don’t think of all the things it takes.
Pay attention to detail, which
Lisa P: is why there are wedding planners.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Lisa P: Sometimes people can’t do that and you need someone to help you. And again, like we only had a day of wedding planners, so I did a lot of the planning myself, but I feel like I had. I had a lot of like friend vendors, so like that helped out.
But also just like, I don’t know, have you never thrown a party? Like there’s certain things, you know, alcohol, food, logistics, schedule like I do that when I throw my kids’ birthday party. You know what I mean? It’s the same skill. Yeah, you still gotta feed people, you’ve gotta make sure people can get there.
Um, probably wanna set up ahead of time. These are like pretty standard. Yeah. For hosting anything, not just a wedding. And a wedding is like 10 times more intense.
Christa Innis: Oh yeah. I know. My husband always laughs at me. ’cause like even for our daughter’s party, like birthday parties, which are like two, three hours max.
I like write out a whole timeline. I’m like, okay, food arrives at this time. People arrive at this time. Like I just, I have to visualize. Oh I’m, it’s funny, I’m like type A when it comes to like planning stuff like that, but like I see type A like mom videos and I’m like, I don’t think I’m a type A mom. I think I’m a type A like planner.
I don’t even know if that makes sense. But
Lisa P: I have some of that too. I feel like when it comes down to making sure things like kind of run smoothly, I can be very hands-on. I don’t make a timeline, so like I feel like that’s, that might be my next step over the top might be my next step. Um. Yeah, like I love hosting, I love cooking and like cooking very much is about timing and execution.
So like that sort of skill, like my biggest pet peeve is when I’m like finished cooking and I’ve timed everything and I’ve told people like when food’s gonna be ready? And then they’re like, absent mindedly, like mingling or something. I’m like, no, no, no. The food is hot and ready. Like right now.
Christa Innis: Yeah. This is the now time.
Right now. This is even time
Lisa P: we must sell now.
Christa Innis: Yeah, no, for sure. I feel like those definitely all those things, like I feel like when we said like, have you like hosted or whatever, I think there are a lot of like brides that this is their first time, like really like hosting something. You should not be
Lisa P: doing
Christa Innis: it on your own.
Like Yeah,
Lisa P: if it’s your never hosting anything, you’ve never done like a holiday party or you’ve never hosted your friend’s birthday party. Mm-hmm. Don’t try with the wedding, the wedding’s not the time to like take a stab.
Christa Innis: I know, I think that’s when it gets so stressful. I was the same with you where I, as you were, I had, I pretty much planned it, but like our event, our wedding venue had a day of coordinator and people don’t realize how helpful that is because that person’s gonna like do the behind the scenes, running around, making sure things are where they need to be.
And I’ve done that for a few weddings now and that I love doing it because I’m like. You tell me what to do. You tell me what needs to be done, I’ll make sure it’s done. Don’t get dirty. I will do that
Lisa P: if you want to. And like back to what we were saying before with, I wish I had been a guest at my wedding.
If I had also been like running around coordinating the, the staff and the vendors and the, the drop offs and the pickups, you’re not having any fun like that. You’re not having any good of a time at all because you’re so stressed about the comings and goings and there’s so much that goes into. Getting everybody where they need to be at the right time.
Right. Like and getting everything to execute.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisa P: I am like a huge proponent of, even if you don’t do a planner for like the whole wedding prep. The whole wedding planning, definitely a day of like, yeah. But maybe that you’re like engagement gift right? From your parents or your in-laws or something. A day of coordinator.
Christa Innis: Yeah, just someone to like ease a little bit of the stress because you don’t wanna just like randomly like. Task people with it that day. ’cause they’re not gonna be thinking about it. And it’s just, yeah, there’s random things that just pop up. For sure.
Lisa P: They really are.
Christa Innis: All right, well, that was a crazy story.
All right, I always like to end these. I know we’re running short on time, but I always like to end these with weekly confessions, so people send me confessions kinda related to event or weddings, um, on social media. So let’s see here. This first one says, um. I absolutely hate the girl that my sister-in-law loves.
It makes me hate seeing my sister-in-law, too. Oh,
Lisa P: well hopefully that doesn’t last long.
Christa Innis: I don’t know. Yeah, I That’s, that’s tough. ’cause you can only do something much when it’s, when it’s a, a sister-in-law. I’m guessing it’s like a, your. Partner’s sister? I would guess so. You probably can’t.
Lisa P: That’s what I assumed.
I assumed it was like your partner’s, sister’s girlfriend that we were going with. That’s okay.
Christa Innis: That’s what I would get.
Lisa P: Yeah. Yeah. And like you usually button your mouth until you have to not button your mouth on that one.
Christa Innis: Yeah, yeah. Wait till they say something to you and they ask for your opinion, or something happens and you can be like, well, here’s what I think.
Until then, you gotta let it work itself out. Otherwise you’ll be the villain. Oh, absolutely. Yep. Um, this says I had to uninvite half of my friends to make room for my mother-in-law’s tennis buddies. No. What? Whose wedding is it?
Lisa P: Oh my God. I call it they’re gonna stop talking to the mother-in-law like five years down the road.
Yeah. Like altogether. No way. That’s insane.
Christa Innis: That sounds like, and I’m obviously reading between the lines, but that sounds like a mother-in-law that was maybe paying for part of it or something, and she used that as a way to like control the wedding because mm-hmm. I, I see the make room like you had to, like who’s, who said
Lisa P: you had to.
Yeah, that’s definitely, that’s a manipulation like that. Mm. I don’t love that. I don’t either. I feel like is probably gonna go bye-bye for in a, a little while.
Christa Innis: Yeah. We need to, we need to say no. Set some boundaries with that mother-in-law. Um, okay. This last one says, I joked I wanted pockets on my wedding dress for getaway money.
Deep down, I think I knew it was true. Oh. The number of times people have confessed to me like, oh, I’ve had a, I had a feeling, um, before the wedding. I told my dad I didn’t wanna get married before the wedding, and I still did. I’ve gotten so many of those.
Lisa P: I had a
Christa Innis: friend do that to me. Really?
Lisa P: Yes. I knew before they got married that they did like they, that, that, that she did not really want to start all over is like how she kind of put it.
Mm-hmm. Um. I don’t know. I took that to my grave. We don’t really speak anymore, and that is not my business. And they’re still married, so sometimes
If You Have Doubts, Don’t Walk Down the Aisle
Christa Innis: it works out. Oh, see, I was gonna say the opposite, uh, opposite happened to me. I, and I’ve talked about this before, um, but I was in a wedding years ago and every wedding event there was some kind of thing, and it was with him, every kind of thing.
And she, and she like cried in the car after the bachelorette party. She cried in the car. Oh, yeah. After the rehearsal. All these different things. And I was just like. Hey, maybe we like, should we rethink this? Oh, I, we already paid the vendors. I’m like, yeah, but divorce is way more expensive.
Lisa P: Oh God no. Yeah, no.
If there’s like, if there’s a doubt in your mind on the person, I feel like I. You’ve gotta cut and run. Like you, you getting divorced is so much more traumatic. It’s so much more expensive. God forbid you like, have a bunch of kids. Um, no, no. If it’s not right and like, this is why, uh, so on my page I talk a lot about, and I’m very happily married, that like marriage should not be this like.
Default standard that people are trying to hit. Because you know when you get 12 years in a marriage and you’re, you know, most people my age got married somewhere around the same time I did. You see a lot of divorces by now. Okay. We’re starting to have that first round of divorce A is coming through and it’s like, God, what a wait.
Not a lot of waste because like a lot of them have children and that’s like the wonderful thing that came out of it. But you know, you don’t have to get married like. You could end up really miserable like in so many ways. And that’s like, you know, it’s just not something that, if you can, if you can in any way, imagine your life without that person, not without a spouse, but without that specific person.
Don’t do it. Right, a hundred percent. Especially if you’re a woman.
Christa Innis: Oh yeah, totally. And I always have this too, like I’ve been with my husband, I think we’re going on 11 years this year. But we’ve been married three. And so like for us it was like, I totally agree with you what you just said about like, you don’t have to get married, you don’t have to follow a certain timeline.
So many people were constantly like, when are you getting married? When are you getting married? And I was like, we, like, we do things on our own timeline and I just feel like. So many people have this, like their own expectations on everyone else, and especially as women, I feel like we have the expectations of like, okay, I need to do this, then I need to get married.
I need to have a baby. And you feel like you have to follow this timeline.
Lisa P: Yeah. And it feels like a rushed timeline at the, at the moment. Like, and I feel pre to that too. I was like, oh, I wanna have two kids, um, by 30 and like I did, but. You know, now looking back at it, I’m like, you idiot. Like you should have just been like, find the right person and then figure it out.
Like
Christa Innis: Yeah, I know. I remember like, I would like if it were just like my hu like then boyfriend, but husband and I, I just like doing our own thing. Like, we’d be like totally fine and then like someone would like bring up like, oh, are you guys gonna get married? And I would be like, do I wait? Are we doing something wrong?
And like, it almost puts us like, not like guilt, but this feeling of you of like. Wait, are we doing something wrong? Is our relationship, because we’re just dating right now, is that like wrong? And you start getting this like, no, because half
Lisa P: of the men in divorces anyway, so like, you know what I mean? Yeah.
Marriage isn’t the great indicator of like lifelong companionship anymore. Mm-hmm. Um, well, and like
Christa Innis: too our, like our parents’ generation, I feel like they were so committed to like marriage that like they stayed. Are unhappily married for so long without actually like admitting like, I actually hate this.
Oh, they wrong
Lisa P: gold stars for it too. They’re like, we’ve been married 35 years. I hate Jeff, but he lives in the other bedroom, so, you know, but we’ve been married this long. And I’m like, but why? What kind of award are you winning here? Like, I know some people have the whole like, divorce is a sin thing, but like you’re already in hell.
So. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t see the point in that like a relationship should only be there to enhance your already like wonderful life. And if it doesn’t do that, then it’s not worth it. And like kind of feel the same way about kids too. I feel like the relationships that I see with people who don’t have kids by choice, obviously there’s like.
People who have extenuating circumstances where they can’t have children, but people who choose not to have kids, I feel like they have this like gift of time to like really find their perfect partner.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Lisa P: Uh, and they usually choose better.
Christa Innis: Mm-hmm. Like.
Lisa P: They get to choose somebody that they truly just genuinely wanna spend all their time with, as opposed to people who do, who do the musical chairs type of marriage, where they’re like, well, it’s been three years since college.
Like, I guess you’re the guy.
Christa Innis: Yes.
Lisa P: Yeah. Yeah. I guess you’re the person I’m with right now. So musical chairs, let’s do it. Like, let’s get married. Timelines are ticking, like I feel like it kind of saddles us down. Um, oh yeah. In a.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah, that’s definitely another thing with, as women we’re like told that the biological clock is ticking, you need to have kids hurry up.
My husband and I since like one year, one of dating, when are you guys gonna have kids? And I was like, I’m not even thinking about kids. Or what are you talking about? And, and I like, and I like look back and I’m like, if I had kids when we had started dating, I was like, I would’ve been a completely different.
Ma Um, I would’ve been in completely different like financial point in my life and I just feel like we need to like, and not saying that’s right or wrong, I’m just saying everyone’s timeline is different. ’cause I know people had kids at in their early twenties and they are thriving and they were meant to be moms at that point.
But I just feel like it’s so important to like listen to your own timeline. ’cause I have friends now that are like,
Lisa P: this new generation is doing a lot better than like we were as millennials. Yeah. I feel like the younger girls are like, really? Coming to the table with the head on the shoulders a little bit more without like the fairytale movie, prince Princess aspect that, that we were kind of sold.
Christa Innis: Yes. I love that. Yeah. I’ve noticed like the shift in the movies, especially with my daughter being she’s two and I feel like. The movies have shifted. Obviously there’s still the fairytale, but I’m like, let’s watch Moana because she’s like brave and she, you know, or Meredith, she doesn’t need a man. You know, I try to like show her some different things because of course we still love the classics, but it’s good to kind of open the horizons up a little bit.
Lisa P: Yeah, definitely. I mean, my daughter is, I mean, she still like, very much knows she wants to get married and have kids like I knew from a young age. So I don’t like balk at that. Like I, you know, some people just like really have that desire. Um, but she still is like, well maybe I’ll be president and a dance teacher.
And I’m like, you go, you do both. I love that. Yes, you do both.
Christa Innis: Stop you, girl. I love that. Yeah. Yes. Well, thank you so much for coming on. This was such a good discussion and I feel like it was good to kind of like just kind of talk about like, obviously the pressures on women and Bridezillas and there’s just a lot of cool things we talked about, so thank you for coming.
Yeah, I loved it.
Lisa P: This is such a fun topic. I’m sure you get so entertained hearing all these stories, so that was so fun.
Christa Innis: Yeah, they always, they never cease to, uh, surprise or amaze me. It’s, it’s always something new. I bet. Yeah. Well, for anyone listening, um, where can everyone follow you, find more of your content and anything exciting that you wanna share?
Lisa P: Yeah. Um, you can find me on mostly TikTok and Instagram. My handle is, it’s me, Lisa PI like to say I talk about hard topics in cute outfits. Um, and that covers relationships and marriage and parenting and boundaries and setting boundaries once you have kids, which I feel like once you get past the bride phase, that’s coming next.
Mm-hmm. Um, and you can find me there. Um, and. I would like to say I have something big in the works coming, but I don’t because I homeschool my kids and this is what we’re doing. And that’s big in. That is big in
Christa Innis: in itself like mom and is a full-time job.
Lisa P: Yeah. I wear a lot of hats, that’s for sure.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh my gosh.
Awesome. Well, thank you so much. Thank you
Lisa P: very much. Have a good one.
Book Launch Day + A Wedding Party Meltdown You Won’t Believe
What happens when a bride hates planning her own wedding, but demands a Vegas blowout and expects everyone else to make it magical?
In this episode, I share my biggest milestone yet: the official launch of my debut book Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story, plus a jaw-dropping listener-submitted story that defines the word “ungrateful.”
I also break down wedding hot takes, the importance of boundaries, and why saying “no” is sometimes the most loving thing you can do—for others and yourself. Oh, and did we mention the bride cried in the club bathroom three separate times?
Listen to me read a new Ferris & Sloan excerpt, tackle controversial wedding traditions, and respond to one of the wildest bridal party betrayals I’ve ever received.
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Episode Chapter Markers
00:00 Introduction
00:40 Podcast Review and Pre-Launch Episode
01:47 Book Reading: Ferris and Sloan Story
06:28 Audiobook and Print Book Updates
08:07 Hot Takes and Relationship Advice
12:53 Crazy Wedding Drama Story
Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- The Book Is Officially Out – After months of teasing, I’m announcing my book launch and revealing what inspired me to turn viral confessions into a physical page-turner.
- The Vegas Bachelorette Breakdown – I relive one of the most unforgettable submissions about a bride who ended up crying in the club, and what it revealed about modern wedding expectations.
- Why I Wrote This Book – This isn’t just tea. It’s a time capsule of the emotional chaos, family dynamics, and societal pressure that weddings bring out in people.
- The Confession Selection Process – I explain how I chose which stories made it into the book, and why some were just too wild (or too heartbreaking) to publish.
- From Podcast to Print – How Here Comes the Drama evolved from mic to manuscript—and how my audience helped shape every chapter.
- Wedding Culture Needs a Wake-Up Call – I reflect on how the wedding industry has normalized unrealistic standards, and what we can do about it.
- The Stories That Stayed With Me – I share the one story I almost couldn’t include—and why it haunts me in the best way.
- Advice for the Brides Who Feel the Pressure – A personal reminder for anyone planning a wedding: you’re allowed to say no.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “You know it’s bad when a bride is crying in the middle of a Vegas club—and everyone acts like that’s normal.” – Christa Innis
- “This book is for anyone who’s ever felt steamrolled by wedding expectations and still wanted to scream into a napkin.” – Christa Innis
- “The stories people submitted? Unhinged. Hilarious. Sometimes horrifying. And all 100% real.” – Christa Innis
- “Wedding culture breaks people down in ways we don’t talk about enough—and that’s why I wrote this.” – Christa Innis
- “Not every story made it into the book, but the ones that did? They stayed with me. Some of them still do.” – Christa Innis
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Blog Transcript:
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Christa Innis: Hi guys. Welcome back to another exciting episode of Here Comes The Drama. It is officially launch day of my brand new book. Here comes the Drama of Ferris and Sloan story, I’m so excited to share more with you guys and have you officially read the book. starting off, I just wanna say thank you to everyone that has pre-ordered the book already.
If you’ve got an ebook, it will be automatically sent to your device. Um, but today is the official. Sale launch of the printed book, I wanna get to that in a second. First things first, I wanna read a podcast review and just thank you guys for listening. This is from Debbie, 1, 2, 1, 3. It says,
Absolutely love the podcast. I have enjoyed your skits and cannot wait for more Ferris and Sloan. I had to do a Ferris and Sloan review one because this is all about Ferris and Sloan. Now, kind of like the pre-launch episode, we’re gonna do things a little bit differently, but of course I’m going to end on a very juicy, crazy story.
I’ve not read it yet, but it’s one of those long ones with lots of crazy detail. So we will get into that one. But first things first, let’s talk a little bit more about the book. I’m not gonna do a crazy deep dive because we’ve done tons of q and As, but of course I’m always here to answer more questions.
I’m so excited. I can’t believe this day is finally here. I’m recording this a little bit earlier, so of course it still feels very surreal for me. if you’re watching the video, you’ll see this is my printed proof. I. Of course at the time this comes out, I’ll have my actual copy, but it’s so exciting to see.
We’re still making some changes, to it as I record this, but you guys will have the finalized version. I’m gonna read a small segment in it for you guys today too. I’m gonna leave off. Where I did on that last pre-launch episode. just to give you a little more teaser, most of you guys, if you got part one in your email, you might have already read this part, but I’ll add a little, extra while I read here.
Teaser Reading: Ferris, Sloan, and the Vacation Bombshell
So leaving off in part one, where the mom, Kate and Jenny were off basically, and she’s trying to talk her up to kind of get her back into the room with Ferris and Sloan. She just found out they’re going on vacation, so here we go. Great. Jenny gives her a swift thumbs up and gestures for her mother to follow her back into the living room where the others are.
Jenny is the first to step back into her parents’ living room where she spots her brother Ferris at the fridge, grabbing two beers, one for their dad, Ted, and one for himself. The room is warm with the scent of Thanksgiving, leftovers, the muffled hum of conversation drifts into the dining room.
You need more wine babe. Ferris calls out over his shoulder. His voice casual but affectionate. short, faintly golden hair with brown undertones is slightly tussled. A few strands falling into his face as he reaches for the fridge. Slowness curled up on the couch, legs crossed, swirling the last bit of red wine in her glass.
Her long, almost black hair drapes over one shoulder catching the warm glow of Christmas lights. She’s wearing a soft knit sweater Dress. In deep burgundy, paired with thick socks, comfortable yet casually stylish in a way that always seems natural to her. She looks over at him with a small knowing. Smile, Noah, he.
No, I still have some left. Thanks, Sloan. Smirks and turns. Just as she notices Jenny walking back in. Oh hey, is everything okay? Her eyes flicker between Jenny and Kate searching for any signs of what just happened. She knew Kate was upset about the trip, but sometimes it was easier to pretend she doesn’t notice than to invite more drama.
Yeah, sorry about that. Jenny says quickly, my mom thought she ate something bad. Her voice is light, but there’s a flicker of something else beneath it before Sloan can press Jenny shifts gears. So anyway, tell us more about your trip. Where are you guys going?
She walks right up to Sloan and sits down at the chair across from her. Kate reenters the room lingering near the doorway. Arms crossed disd, practically radiating off of her. We’re going to Santa Monica. Sloan replies quietly combing her hair behind her ear. I’ve never been before. Ferris knows I hate the snow, so he planned for a warm vacation to get us outta here.
It was all his idea, so he’ll have more of the details. She looks over at Ferris now seated next to her on the couch, Ferris hands his dad a beer, then takes a sip of his own and leans back. Yeah, I mean, I don’t have too much planned yet, But I thought we’d escape the dreaded Milwaukee winter and soak up some sun for once.
He nodded towards the window where a thick clumps of snow swirl in the wind before reaching over and gently grabbing Sloan’s hand.
Sloan glances down at their intertwined fingers, a soft smile forming as warmth blooms in her chest. But even in the comfort of this moment, she can feel Kate’s disapproval lingering like a heavy cloud that refuses to pass.
That sounds amazing. Jenny jumps in quickly. What do you think, mom? Doesn’t that sound fun? Her voice is too chipper. Eyes flicking towards Kate with the hope that a simple question might smooth over the crack in the room. Ted Schiff, slightly in his chair, has gaze fixed on his wife.
He raises his eyebrows just enough to signal, go easy, try to be happy, but it’s clear he’s bracing himself. after almost 30 years of marriage, he knows her moods, her tells he knows exactly where this could be headed. When Kate answers, yeah, it sounds great. With a snap of sarcasm. Ted Exhales just barely for a split second,
it seems like that might have been the end of it, but then he catches the sudden shift of her expression. She gasps his shoulders stiffen. Here it comes. Maybe we should all go. Her somber mood instantly flips to excitement making her way to the front of the room. Sloan Tenses.
Every instinct screams at her to shut the idea down, but she hesitates. It’s not her place. Kate has always been dismissive of her. Why would this moment be any different? Okay, so one of the top questions you guys ask me is with the audiobook coming, if I’m going to be the voice of the audio book. I’ve talked about this before, but if you can hear my reading while I read it, that is probably why I’m not doing the audio book.
I feel like I overthink every little thing. So even with like edits and stuff, I’m like, oh my gosh, I’m not like a voice actor. It’s so much easier for me to like talk. About something then read off something and I just put so much pressure on myself. by this time I might have more updates on the audiobook, so if you guys are waiting for that, that will be coming out soon.
I will be sharing updates on the audiobook and email as well. But I hope you guys enjoyed that little segment. like I said, if you already, um, read part one because you downloaded it, you’ve already read that, but it’s kind of fun just to hear it in a voice as well. so like I said, if you already pre-ordered the ebook that has been sent to you already, and then you can order the print books today.
And I just ask if you guys. Wanna share any kind of update. if you enjoy the book, share what you’re doing while you read the book, share, a picture of it on your counter, share a video of you opening it up from the mail, whatever that looks like. I would love to see you guys reading the book, posting about it.
then of course, tag me and I would love to reshare it to my page, just the more people that can see the book it would really help me and help the book. So, very excited for it. And of course, if you love the book, please leave a review. That helps so many more people, um, hear about it as well. I know that was all about Ferris and Sloan.
Crazy Wedding Drama Takes
I’m just so excited for the launch, but, Let’s dive into the crazy drama that is this week. So first things first, I’m going to get into some hot takes that you guys sent me The first one says, people should always know that this spouse comes first. The rest can go to hell.
Okay? So I wouldn’t say that. So, Dramatically, I guess. essentially, I agree. I feel like once you choose a spouse and a partner and you are on the same page, they should be your priority. especially, you know, when it comes to planning a wedding or planning an event or relationship boundaries.
Figure them out with your partner first. Then you can allow in other opinions and other people. Otherwise it gets very misconstrued. It gets overwhelming to listen to all these opinions and it’s like, oh, do I listen to my partner or my mom or whatever? You really need to put your partner before everybody.
this says cost of the ring doesn’t matter. It’s the memories attached to it that make it feel special. I a hundred percent agree. I feel like there used to be, and people will probably say this is still a thing, but it used to be, A certain percentage of your rent or your income and they would tell you like you have to spend that on an engagement ring.
And I say throw that out the door. I don’t think that should be a thing anymore. I think it’s really about what’s important for the partner. I’ve seen people do just a very simple ring. I’ve with no jewels on it. I’ve seen people do just a rubber ring. I’ve seen people do a huge diamond on it.
I’ve seen people do a sapphire or other kind of jewels on it. I think it’s really important to listen to yourself because you’re gonna be the one wearing it, and I think so many times we get caught up in what everyone else says you have to wear or have to spend, and that none of that, no matter what anyone says, none of that dictates or says anything about your relationship.
It doesn’t only you guys know what makes sense. I feel like it’s just so easy to get caught up and that’s, that goes for anything when it comes to wedding planning. So, ultimately, I don’t think it matters. Don’t go broke and don’t, go into debt for a wedding ring, essentially. this person says, do they really need bachelor, bachelorette weekends?
I think it’s a waste of money. Okay. So here’s my thing, when it comes to how you spend your money, everyone views things differently, right? So I might buy this shirt and someone might see that and be like, that’s a waste of money. I might upgrade my car. And someone might think that’s a waste of money.
I might hear someone got new tires and I’m like, that’s a waste of money, So it’s like everyone’s gonna have their own viewpoints when it comes to bachelorette bachelor parties, Do. Some of them go very over the top, of course. But would I wanna be on one of those trips? Absolutely. If I could.
be a part of it. Yeah, I would wanna go to it. Are they always needed? No. But if that’s something you value and you’re like, you know what, I wanna really fun trip away with my best guy friends or my best girlfriends, whoever. More power to you. Do it.
Go ahead. Now, where I feel like it might be too much is when you pressure bridesmaids and groomsmen to go on a trip they might not be able to afford. That’s where it gets a little murky. I don’t think that should be a thing. There should never be pressure. If you want it, allow people to say no. we all value different things.
For myself and for my closest group of friends, we were all in each other’s weddings. So for us it was like a girl’s trip away. So I would never look at that as a waste of money. ’cause I’m on vacation with some of my very best friends. So to me it was worth it, well worth it. Now, if someone were to invite me where maybe I didn’t really know the group of friends.
I only knew one person or it was to a place I wouldn’t really wanna go. I would just say no. so again, we all have our own kind of preferences with that. okay. This other one says
overly detailed dress codes with color schemes are unnecessary. yes and no. So I was talking to someone on the podcast recently about this, It’s kind of helpful to know sometimes now where they get very specific, like, everyone needs to wear a garden dress wearing only these three colors.
Yeah. Like, we don’t need to go out and spend more money. if I am going to a wedding, I’m usually gonna look in my closet and find something that already worn, but maybe fits the weather or the kind of location we’re going to. so let’s not ask people to spend more money. However, some people find it very useful if you’re giving them kind of.
A very basic. Idea of what to wear. we are all different. We are all different from what we look for. I think it can be helpful ‘ cause I’m that person googling the location. I’m trying to check out the weather, what other people are wearing there and other pictures like I am that person.
I think probably way too much about it. do I buy a new dress for every wedding? Absolutely not. Most of the time I will find a dress I have or borrow one from a friend. But that being said, I love a good detail to help me along the way. Okay, guys, into the story that you guys are all patiently or not so patiently waiting for.
I know it’s the favorite part. This is a long one, so that’s why I wanna get into it. All names have been changed, of course, and different story things have been moved around to, disguise the person. Right? and I forgot to mention this before, but my voice is scratchy. so this is after pre-launch weekend.
I randomly lost my voice. I don’t know if I was talking too much, probably.so it was completely gone for a few days. There. It’s slowly coming back, so I’m definitely gonna nurse it after this.
All right. Here’s this week’s story submission. This story spans the course of a couple years. Here we go, the Bride Pearl, her fiance, Greg, myself, Amy, my fiance, Steven Pearl’s brother Lars and his fiance Sadie, are all the main players in this drama. Okay. I’m already picturing this as a very detailed story, so here we go.
Pearl and Greg were engaged to be married, I was asked to be one of her bridesmaids. Their engagement was especially long because Pearl was working abroad in Japan for two years. Trying to plan anything with her was a nightmare. She didn’t want to be involved in the process at all. Wait, so the bride didn’t want to be involved in the process.
So at that point, I know I’m jumping the gun, but at that point, why are you doing a big wedding? You don’t need a wedding party. You don’t need to do this big wedding. If you don’t wanna be involved in planning your own wedding, either hire a wedding planner or Don’t do it. You don’t have to do that.
Craziness. she even admitted that she would’ve preferred a simple courthouse wedding, but reluctantly agreed to have a ceremony for Greg’s sake. So her fiance, once Pearl finally returned home, we had about six months until the wedding, so we kicked into planning mode. The only part she really cared about was the bachelorette party.
She Wanted the Vegas Treatment — But We Had to Pay
She’s a big partier. She wanted a big, elaborate weekend in Vegas. Four nights in a hotel, a show every night, a club crawl and a spa day. Okay. So we were kind of just talking about bachelor, bachelorette parties. Right? How they can be over the top. Again, if I was going all my best friends and I wanted to do this, I would go along for it, obviously to support and celebrate my best friend.
But I always find it interesting when they want. The top of the top, all the things like four shows in Vegas, four nights in a hotel, a club crawl, and a spot. Eight. That is expensive. I mean, I haven’t been to Vegas in years, but just quickly add things up. Depending on the weekend, I mean, you’re looking at a few thousand dollars, right?
depending on what everything looks like. Here we go. The issue, the budget, no one she invited had even half the amount of money needed for that kind of trip, and she expected everyone toto cover her costs in full. The maid of honor, Connie did her best to plan something we could all afford, but after weeks of being shut down on every compromise, she passed the baton to another bridesmaid.
So her maid of honor is essentially like, Hey, look, this isn’t gonna work out. Like. No one can afford it. Let’s try this. And she’s like, Nope, you’re not doing a good job. Let’s have another bridesmaid planet. Like what? The final Bachelorette weekend still included a hotel in Vegas, paid for by Pearl’s ant a drag brunch a bar crawl in downtown Vegas.
We did our best with what we had, and it ended up being a fun weekend. Except Pearl Pouted the entire time she cried in the bar bathroom. Not once, not twice, but three times. Now, obviously we don’t know why she’s crying. My guess is it wasn’t to her standard maybe. But here’s the thing. If there’s someone that wants this extra grand thing that no one can afford, she’s never gonna be happy.
You need to find happiness with those around you If I were with my best friends, just having a sleepover at someone’s house, that would be fun to me. I don’t need all these grand things. so this sounds like this person just wanted this huge thing, kept comparing herself. I. On the wedding day, Pearl and Greg were completely standoffish with the bridal party, even though we had bent over backward to accommodate them.
She skipped the original dress rehearsal, then rescheduled for a day when most people weren’t available, only to get mad when half of us couldn’t come. Oh my gosh. Wait, so this is for the dress rehearsal. Wait, so we’re talking about the rehearsal before the wedding. I’m so confused. Okay. On the day of the wedding, we were told for the first time that we’d be decorating the venue.
Blame Party
Oh gosh. With only four hours left before the ceremony and needing to get dressed and take photos. So literally the day after, she’s like, by the way, I need you guys to decorate this whole place for me. here’s the decorations, have fun. And they’re like, wait. We still have to get ready and get all this stuff together.
this is definitely a type B or C bride as you wanna call it. She didn’t wanna do the planning herself, so she left it up to everybody else, and that’s just not fair. Like I said from the beginning, if you are a bride or groom and you do not wanna plan anything, either get a day of coordinator, wedding planner, or don’t have a big wedding.
Because at the end of the day, it’s not fair to your bridal party or wedding party to do this for you. They’re not the ones getting married. They can be there helping and support you, but do not put this on them. Connie and I ended up doing shots in the bridal suite just to cope with the chaos.
Despite all of that, the ceremony went smoothly and guests seemed to have a great time. But afterward, Pearl and Greg told us that we ruined their wedding. What That sparked a long, drawn out, falling out. So they’re putting all the pressure on their wedding party to make it this amazing wedding when literally it’s their wedding.
You cannot blame the wedding party for doing that. ‘ cause as the bride and groom, it is your day. It’s your job to organize everything or find someone that will organize it, not your wedding party. And if that fails, that’s on you. Two months later, Steven and I got engaged. Most of our friends were thrilled for us except Pearl.
She was visibly jealous and made comments like, why is everyone so excited for them? No one was that excited for us, which wasn’t true. And Why is everyone helping with their wedding when no one helped us? Also not true. So she’s doing that victim mentality. She’s thinking her wedding sucked, so you know what?
Everyone’s out to get me. When in reality they all were helping. But she literally said she didn’t want anything to do with the planning the wedding. So she’s putting it all on her friends for how her wedding day turned out.
Things escalated when she found out. We had invited Pamela, someone she had unresolved issues with. I. Pamela is a close friend of Steven’s. I had several conversations with Pearl about it and even offered to make some accommodations, like seating them on opposite sides of the room or ensuring that she was surrounded by friends.
I even offered to uninvite them. She refused to tell me what she needed. So ultimately nothing changed. So that’s the thing. It’s like it’s hard when you have two friends that don’t get along. However, you can’t dictate who someone else invites their wedding, so you can choose yourself like, Hey, I’m not gonna go, but you can’t get mad that they’re still friends with someone.
Obviously, there’s always complicated and different reasons for things, but it’s not your place to tell ’em who to invite. One night at a Bar Pearl Completely drunk, cornered me and interrogated me about why Pamela was invited why I hadn’t made her a bridesmaid. Even though I asked Connie, I got away that night, but the next day we had a five hour text conversation.
Five hours. Oh my gosh. I don’t think I’d have a five hour text conversation with anybody. That sounds exhausting. Why? Oh my gosh. I finally set a boundary and said I wouldn’t talk about it anymore. Pearl and Greg pulled their R Rs VP. I thought that would be the end of it. Can you imagine? That is crazy. So they’re just mad about their own wedding day, not being what they wanted.
Uninvited. Excluded. And Still She Made It About Her.
And because they can’t take the responsibility themselves that you know what? They let it slip through their fingers. They’re gonna blame everybody else. Okay, she says Wrong. Over the next four months, Pearl and Greg excluded Steven and me from events, harassed our mutual friends and gave people ultimatums.
If they attended our wedding, they’d no longer be friends. Can you imagine? Oh my gosh. So it’s like just what I said, how you can only control yourself. You can’t control someone else has at their wedding or where other people want to go. So these just sound like very nasty people to me. The group was exhausted by their drama.
Our entire friend group was split. I was convinced Pearl would show up uninvited to my wedding and just cause a scene, but thankfully she didn’t. After our wedding, Lars and Sadie got engaged. Everyone in the group got an invite except Steven and me. Whoa. I expected that. Considering Lars is Pearl’s brother.
Okay. What I didn’t expect. Was for Pearl and Greg to privately message people asking them not to attend Sadie’s wedding because they were uncomfortable. Wait,
oh my gosh. So they asked people to not attend the wedding. oh my gosh. These people are just miserable. Pearl also made herself the unofficial wedding planner. Wait. Someone that didn’t wanna plan her own wedding was complaining about things and pushing it off on her wedding party. Wants to be the unofficial wedding planner.
Okay. And started making decisions without consulting the couple, for example, she changed the rehearsal dinner from the Mexican restaurant. Lars and City loved to an Italian place just because it offered free wine. No, no, no, no, no, no. The kicker, the reception the next day was also serving Italian food.
but I’m also wondering how do you let someone just change everything? I’m not saying it’s them like their fault, but like when I was planning different things, no one could just call a restaurant, the restaurant and be like. Okay. Random person I haven’t talked to before, like they’d be like, oh, is this the brighter groom?
No. Okay, then sorry, you can’t change it. Plus the Brighter groom is the one that’s like putting together RSVPs or invites to, the rehearsal dinner or texting people. So that’s very interesting that they just kinda like let her make all these changes. She also planned a huge expensive bachelorette weekend when Sadie had just wanted a nice dinner and a video game night.
While we weren’t invited to the wedding itself, Steven and I were invited to the after party. I chose not to go. I had no doubt Pearl would cause a scene. She says, so maybe take some creative license and show what would’ve happened if I had gone. Thanks again. I left out a bunch of little details, but feel free to reach out if you have any questions.
Oh my gosh. It never ceases to amaze me when people just. Can’t take accountability themselves. From the beginning, it sounds like this girl wanted nothing to do with her wedding, and instead of hiring someone to help her, she decided to put it all on her wedding party. Now I’ve seen a lot of weddings and I’ve been a part of a lot of weddings where the wedding party.
Helps put everything together, but that’s been like known from the beginning and it’s a team effort, right? You can’t just be like bride putting your feet up and expecting everyone to do everything around you. You have to be very clear with communication, and it sounds like this girl from the beginning was just unhappy and just wanted to complain about things, so that’s terrible.
Oh my gosh. That was a crazy story. All right guys. Well thanks for hanging out with me today as a reminder. My new book and ignore this, this is my proof right here if you guys are watching the video, but. My new book. Here comes The Drama. A Ferris and Sloan story is out today. if you guys wanna look exactly different places you can find it.
Go to krista ennis.com/book. We’ll also have all the links in the show notes as well, so you can check it out. and of course, don’t forget to tag me at Party Planning by Christa videos, pictures. I wanna see what you’re doing when you read the book. I wanna see you opening up the package. I wanna see you holding the book in front of your face, whatever that looks like.
Tag me and I will be sharing it, um, on my page as well. and of course, leave a review as it helps so many people see the book, hear about the book. and I’m just so excited for you guys to read it. I just, I’m nervous, excited. It’s like putting a baby out into the world.
I’ve worked so hard at it and I’m just so excited for you guys to read it. All right guys. That’s all I have for this week. Um, thanks for tuning in. Bye now.
Follow-up Story: My Future MIL Confronted Me in a Pantry
What happens when your future mother-in-law corners you in the pantry to accuse you of ruining her son’s life? That’s exactly what went down in today’s jaw-dropping episode.
We reconnect with an anonymous guest, who now returns to share how her wedding journey unraveled into a powder keg of emotion, betrayal, and a confrontation she’ll never forget.
If you’ve ever questioned a wedding’s red flags, this story will stay with you. From a fiancé caught in the middle to a mother-in-law determined to divide, this episode is a must-listen.
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Episode Chapter Markers
00:00 Introduction
03:13 Engagement and Initial Red Flags
03:45 Mother-in-Law’s Demands Begin
04:52 First Major Incident: Venue Address
08:13 Boundary Issues and Kitchen Confrontation
11:56 Fiance’s Call and Silent Treatment
16:55 4th of July Weekend Tensions
20:43 Handling Emotional Conflict
22:11 The Pantry Confrontation
28:19 Post-Confrontation Reflections
31:22 Dress Shopping and Relationship Dynamics
33:25 Premarital Counseling and Lessons Learned
Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Pantry Blowup – A quiet moment at the rehearsal dinner turns into a private ambush from the mother-in-law.
- Caught in the Middle – The fiancé’s struggle to balance loyalty between partner and parent creates more chaos.
- Crossing the Line – The mother-in-law’s accusations include controlling her son’s life and “changing him.”
- Silent Treatment Strategy – Post-fight, the MIL goes silent, leaving tension boiling under the surface.
- A New Kind of Wedding Day – Despite everything, the couple finds their own way to move forward—with boundaries.
- Delayed Fallout – A honeymoon doesn’t stop the drama. The emotional scars show up weeks later.
- The Support That Mattered – The groom’s eventual stand for his partner offers a moment of healing.
- Telling the Story – The power of sharing your experience and being heard, even years later.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “If you’re scared to speak up at your own wedding, that’s a red flag.” – Christa Innis
- “Respecting boundaries doesn’t make you difficult—it makes you self-aware.” – Christa Innis
- “A wedding should never be the battleground for someone else’s unresolved issues.” – Christa Innis
- “Silence doesn’t mean peace—it just means someone’s swallowing their feelings.” – Christa Innis
- “Just because it’s tradition doesn’t mean it’s healthy.” – Christa Innis
- “I knew the moment she opened that pantry, something was going to explode.” – Anonymous Guest
- “It wasn’t just about the wedding—it was about control.” – Anonymous Guest
- “She made me feel like I was stealing her son, not marrying him.” – Anonymous Guest
- “I kept waiting for someone to stand up for me, but no one did.” – Anonymous Guest
- “You think family drama will die down after the wedding, but it only gets louder.” – Anonymous Guest
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Christa Innis: Hi there. Thanks for joining me. Thanks for having me. I’m so excited. All right, so before we started recording, we said we are gonna keep you anonymous today because we have a kind of crazy story to dive into today. for those of you guys listening, they’re like, what is she talking about?
I think it was episode, I wrote notes down here, episode seven. I had Suzanne Lambert on and we read was one of the craziest stories. I think one of the kind of intense mother-in-law story. It involved, a lot of, anguish, a debate and a pantry on 4th of July and a lot of drama that went up, from there and.
This was such an interesting story to us, and we were like, I think you ended it with part two coming soon because you’re about to do your bridesmaid or no, your wedding dress shopping. So I was like, I have so many questions, let’s reach out to her and see if she wants to come on the podcast. So here you are.
So I appreciate you for being vulnerable and coming on and sharing.
Anonymous Guest: Yeah, no, uh, thanks. I mean. Honestly, like it was such a crazy story and I just think, I was just like, well, someone’s gotta hear this, whether it’s for entertainment purposes or therapeutic for me, I was just like, someone’s gotta hear this, so it’s good.
Yeah. Yeah.
Christa Innis: So if you guys have not listened to the full episode, I would recommend you guys go back to episode seven and give it a listen. but let’s just do some quick bullet points here. We’ll kinda walk through it together. I might also put a little, audio clip from it so you guys can hear some of the crazy moments there.
But starting off, you said, my fiance and I got engaged in April. We were excited to plan our wedding for next September, and his mother has always been supportive, often teasing him about proposing. So when we called to share the news. She barely finished saying congratulations before asking if she could go dress shopping because she only has two sons, so I’m not gonna read the whole thing, obviously.
But then getting into it, the red flags started appearing when you guys all got together. At, I think, was it an engagement party?
Anonymous Guest: It was at our house with Father’s Day weekends. Okay. We were hosting all the men in our lives. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Okay. And so at that point was when she started to demand to know the venue, address.
So tell us what went down here and oh, actually I wanna know first before all of this, did you guys consider her like a good relationship? Like have a good relationship with her?
Anonymous Guest: Yeah, no, we had a great relationship and like it, my fiance’s relationship with his mom was always good.
Ours was good. She was very supportive of us. And I even noted, but his grandma was pa in the process of passing away and on her deathbed was like, you have to marry this girl in two months. And he is like, you’re nuts. And of course we wanted to get engaged, but there was like a lot of family support including his dying grandma, his mother, like all these people.
And so there was never really any signs of any like, anguish as you said, like, or upset feelings. really until. Like the wedding started coming to fruition and that like maybe we were making decisions that were for us and nobody else. So I think that’s kind of maybe where that happened or. Maybe her perception of how that was starting to unfold was different than the reality.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Okay, so let’s go to that first moment. Yeah. Where she starts pressuring you to tell the address, even though the month was still like a year out, and you said this is the name of it. We actually haven’t even been there yet. So what happened? What all went down?
The Text Message Debacle
Anonymous Guest: Yeah, it was crazy. It was like, so we were sitting in our living room just having like normal Father’s Day watching golf kind of thing.
And we had told her where we were getting married. we kind of had left out details from the beginning just as we were figuring them out, told her. And then, you know, she was like, can you send me the address? And I was like, well, I already shared it with you. And she’s like, well, I delete my text messages, which is something that I know you guys noted the first time.
Yeah. We were like, what is she saying? They were like, who does this? And I was like, no, she’s just somebody that’s just like, just delete. Them? I don’t know. I don’t know. She actually
Christa Innis: does. She wasn’t just saying
Anonymous Guest: that goes through and she just like deletes all, every thread. It gets deleted like every day kind of thing.
So she doesn’t keep anything. Oh. And she doesn’t have a, you know, she just doesn’t keep anything. So I knew that originally she was asking ’cause like she didn’t have it. but then, you know, as time went on, she started like, and I said, well, why do you need it? I told you we were getting married.
And she’s like, well, because I wanna go and I wanna go see where the hotels are in p. And because it’s not so far from where she lives, all this stuff. And I was just like, oh, no, no, no, no. You know? And I, I was just like, no, that’s like really not necessary. We have it all figured out. It. April and our wedding is the following September.
So we were so far away time I couldn’t even open a room block if I wanted to. And so my fiance and I were just like, what? So, this is kind of happening and this is like starting that conversation again. We’re just very casual and she’s just like, no, like, just send me it. And I was like, well, it seems as though you wanna go there.
And like that’s not, we haven’t even been, and I’m trying to like bridge and bridge and understand and like. Really press this down kind of quickly and as amicably as possible because I’m just, she keeps pressing and then I keep trying to bridge it. and so that was like the first of what I,thought were like three major incidents within this incident of a day was her pestering about the venue.
And it was just so shocking to us. ’cause we were like. why are you pressing on this so hard right now at this time and this day? Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. It’s like, where is this all coming from? All of a sudden you have to go see it and it’s like, how can she not see that this is a special moment for you and your fiance at the time of being able to like go to the venue together, see together for the first time before people coming in, in with their opinions.
Anonymous Guest: Yeah. and we, to this day, still have not seen it, which is hilarious because I planned our whole wedding around a venue I’ve literally never seen. but that’s the thing is I was just like, I don’t know when I’m gonna go. I don’t have plans to go. As of right now, it’s four hours away from where we live.
Like this is just the reality of it. And just because you were closer, let’s not like prioritize You’re needing this to go. Also, I was expressing it to private property. Like it’s not like you can just show up like a ballroom or a hotel. You can’t just show up. And then, my fear was that like, as she was pressing, I started to realize, well maybe she would go and, go to the property and start talking to these people and having conversations that I was not a part of.
And so I kind of started spiraling myself and that’s where I think I started getting more worked up by the thoughts of it. of what could happen. Mm-hmm. And just try, like I said, just trying to shut it down in that moment, really. Yeah. as kindly as possible.
Christa Innis: Yeah. ’cause it’s totally understandable to be like excited be like, if you want me included, I would love to be a part of it, but to then press, especially after you’re like, well, we haven’t even seen it ourselves.
It’s a private property. You can’t just show up. And she’s still pushing for it. So then she corners you. In the kitchen. How does that all happen? And does this kind of fizzle out first and you guys are like, just kinda like moving up past it? like what are other people doing during this time? Like are they looking at this like.
Is this still happening?
“Aren’t You Just So Happy?”
Anonymous Guest: well, we have a kind of open concept floor, so like our kitchen’s connected to our living room and connected, and we were kind of outside, so we had a group outside, like no one was really in the house anymore, and she’d kind of come inside and we were in the kitchen together and everyone else was kind of outside, which is a very similar, like kind of set up as it was when we were in the pantry situation, which don’t get to, but, and she was just, expressing that she was like.
Are you just so happy? I’m gonna be your mother-in-law. And I was just like, in the moment, I was taken aback because I’m like. Why are you asking this? Like, is this something you’re really concerned about? Like, am I so happy? Am I so not? Because I’ve obviously been maybe giving off some energy that, I was not as excited by your excitement to go to the venue and I was kinda shutting that down and then I shut down the conversation with my bachelorette party, and so I’m like, are you kind of getting the vibe that my energy is coming back to you in a different way and now you’re trying to get validation through me by saying, aren’t you just so happy?
I tried to like, address it as head on as possible and just say like, yeah, of course I am, but here’s what’s happening right now, is that like, I feel as though you’re kind of, you’re trying to step on this, what I would call a boundary and saying like, my boundary is that you don’t go to the venue and you don’t, like this is the situation and I would just appreciate that you kind of let us handle it.
And, I didn’t again realize at the time the weight of the words I was saying. Again, I was trying to be as amicable as possible, be very choosy with my words and being kind. And ultimately like I wanted to be kind to her and, just express clearly how I was feeling. And I did not realize the weight of the word boundary.
and how like significant it would play into the rest of.
Christa Innis: She’s held onto that grip on it. They don’t do boundaries in this family. Gorilla
Anonymous Guest: Grip, gorilla Gripp onto it. Yeah, it’s crazy. and I think that like it maybe was the first time being put in a, like to be held back from something or maybe to be really put into that box.
But at the same time, like it’s funny because you guys noted like, where’s your fiance and this whole thing, he is outside having a drink, has no idea. We’re, you know, in the kitchen kind of thing together. And I think in the most of the story, like he and I and, the sentiment really is he was just as stunned as I was through the whole thing and.
I think his reaction in the fight or flight minus fight his is kind of take a step back and process. And so whereas I maybe was more communicative with my feelings and clear up front later in the story, he was much more like nervous and surprised and then had to find a way to then speak and speak up about it, which is after the situation when we were in the kitchen when he ended up calling her, but.
I mean, we were by ourselves in the kitchen. And then as I said, this is my boundary. She, I don’t really remember her exact kind of feelings about it, but we ended up, walking away and having the rest of the day kinda be fine. And we thought the day went kind of weird after that and we were just like, man, that was like such odd energy in front of everyone, not just at least the three of us.
And. That’s when he ended up calling her, which came after that.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Okay. So we have an issue with the word boundaries. I’m glad you said the thing about like you and your fiance. ’cause I think a lot of times, like stories like this are written by the brides and they experience it firsthand because of that kind of like, turmoil, I dunno if that’s even the right word, but it’s like.
The fiance we to remember too, is in a difficult position, right? It’s like, obviously they’re choosing you, but at the same time it’s like, I’ve never seen this side of my mom before. I’m really sorry. But also what’s happening, but also I love you, I promise. they’re like dealing with all these like different so of like emotions and things they’re going through.
so that’s important to say as well. okay, so these red flags are showing, you’re like, okay, we’re gonna move on from this like boundary day. Yeah. then your fiance calls her. Mm-hmm.
Anonymous Guest: yeah. so we decompressed, we talked about the day.
We were like, wow, that was really weird. Never had an interaction like that. just seemed as though like she was really pressing and feeling anxious or worked up about the details. And so we called her and was just like, Hey, like. I kind of told him, I said like, if you feel this way, say it on behalf of you.
Like, I don’t want you to speak on behalf of me. in any way, giving anybody ammunition as to saying, well, she feels this way, she feels that way. I said, just speak on behalf of you and leave it at that. So he said, you know, like, I feel like the other day was weird and the energy was weird, and it essentially like maybe being more.
Clear with how he was feeling. I think it really upset her and she ended up getting so upset with his confrontation of the behavior and just saying like, and I forget along the lines of what he said, but he was just like, talking about this and talking about that. She goes, well, that was a joke.
And like, I can’t, I was just teasing. And he was just like, yeah, it really wasn’t, a joke or whatever. You know, he kind of addressed like things. Clearly and she just had different perception of it. and then I think that being as though he was so clear with her and like how he felt, she felt very attacked by that and very like hurt by that.
And the only way I think that she knew how to process that was to literal hang up on him and not talk to him for three weeks. Yeah. Which was crazy. Do the silent
Christa Innis: treatment. Yeah. I find that so interesting because it’s like, okay, respect your elders, communicate and he did just that. Yeah. He literally called her in an appropriate way, did not out her in front of a bunch of people saying, Hey, you’re being rude.
You know, like literally the most respectful thing. But there’s a certain, I feel like certain people cannot handle being told they did something wrong, or, someone was hurt by the way they acted.
Birthday Silence Treatment
Anonymous Guest: No, that’s exactly, right. and I think again, their relationship was so fine, but why did this instance of confronting behavior, and maybe he never did, and what I’ve come to realize in the last year about him and his relationship growing up and stuff like that, like he is so unbothered by everything.
Like the man could not be bothered by a single thing. And it is what a peaceful life my fiance lives because he just does not get worked up about anything and. It takes so much for him to even feel worked up. And so when coming at situations like this, he can so easily take it in and brush it out and it’s like.
Most people cannot do that or you internalize a little bit. And so I think that in interactions with her previously or growing up, like he certainly has never felt the need to address anything head on and or felt heard enough. But I think when it came down to us discussing how we felt and how I expressed to him how that made me feel, he then felt ownership and saying like, okay, well this is something that obviously we need to talk about and I need to address, but maybe she had never.
Had that be addressed before or been told to your point Like, this was wrong or your behavior upset me in any way. So it definitely stunned her. And you said she hung off the phone and didn’t talk to him for three weeks. didn’t talk to either one of us for three weeks, which was a notable three weeks because his birthday fell during that time.
And, there wasn’t like a. Come back together kind of moment. And it was a little hard. I mean, she expressed after that in the story that that was hard for her. And it’s hard for us, like, to have such a normal, good relationship with somebody and then to know there is tension and to know what is present for that whole time, like.
It was definitely difficult for us too. Mm-hmm. Because like we’re just trying to process how we feel about the situation in general and celebrate our engagement. And then also there’s this like massive tension that’s like building and then kind of being expanded in the family as like more people were obviously present and then seeing what’s happening and hearing what’s happening and it’s kind of expanding it felt like.
So that was, it was hard. Yeah. And then of course it’s birthday, so it felt, it just felt terrible. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. I find it all so interesting because it’s like she can. Beret is probably a heavy word, but she can like, call you out in front of everybody, make you feel a certain way, even though you were like constantly putting your boundary down, saying, no, no, no.
She gets contacted in private by herself. Mm-hmm. And that’s disrespectful. It’s not okay. And she goes into silent treatment mode. She goes into like victim mode of like, oh my gosh, you guys are attacking me. And it’s just kind of funny to see like the opposites and from different point of views like, how she can’t even see like past her own like lens.
Anonymous Guest: Yeah. And that’s like a lot of the work that I’ve done in therapy and personal therapy like is just understanding. Yeah, of course. Like you have two sides to every story, but like. The information that we had to your point, was in private, in a calm way and trying to be clear and communicative and it wasn’t receptive.
she wasn’t receptive at all of it. So I think that’s a piece of, I. Getting feedback and then being able to process at the time, at least in the situation, she just did not handle like super well and then ended up, my fiance and then extended party, like ended up suffering in those, three-ish weeks to that before the next, major incident.
So it was crazy. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah. So let’s get into a Father’s Day weekend. This was the part that 4th of July. This is
Anonymous Guest: 4th of
Christa Innis: July weekend. weeks. Year. Oh, fourth. Oh yeah. Father’s Day weekend was the first dinner. So we’re talking Yeah. 4th of July weekend. This was still over the, not talking to you stage.
Mm-hmm. Completely like blocking you guys out. Yeah. Yeah. So at that point, okay, let’s talk about 4th of July then. So you guys don’t hear from her. You guys have a 4th of July party at this house with a really big pantry. Yes. Yes. This is the part that Suzanne and I were just like, wait, what is happening here?
She’s in the pantry now. This doesn’t make any sense. Yeah. I’m like visualizing this like beautiful, like huge pantry.
Anonymous Guest: It is. Yeah. Um,
Christa Innis: so you guys had like a rented house?
Anonymous Guest: Well, yeah. So without giving too many details my fiance’s family has like a larger, lodge of sorts, very much like the Hallmark esque make big lodges that they spend their Christmases in kind of thing.
They have one in their family. it’s also like a hunting lodge kind of thing. Okay. So just very large. and the kitchen is like an industrial kitchen, so you imagine like the big industrial stoves and stuff like that. And so there’s just this larger like wraparound kind of pantry type of situation that’s adjacent to off of it, but yes.
Where at their family’s house. lodge for, better words, but yeah.
Christa Innis: So it’s his family’s house. Everyone’s there, but his mom just hasn’t shown up yet. She shows up late, right?
The Lodge and the Cold Shoulder
Anonymous Guest: Yeah. So she doesn’t live too far from there. and so my fiance has like, family ownership of the lodge.
So we go up, we bring my family, my parents are there, that we all join the lodge for the weekend. So we’re there for like the long weekend and it’s her family’s place. and his grandpa. Owns it and he’s there and then the aunt is there. So everyone that was at the original incident is also now, coincidentally at 4th of July weekend.
so she had every right to be there and all the plans to be there. But it sounds as though like, obviously we were struggling with communication. We were obviously not talking and then, so it didn’t seem as though she was very excited about the idea of joining us as soon as possible. So we were there for a couple days before she ended up joining.
Yeah.
Christa Innis: Oh, and do you think that was her plan all along? Or do you think she was randomly was like, I’m gonna go and make my entrance, my grand entrance?
Anonymous Guest: Yeah, it’s, well, so there was up being a couple things that happened. So there was like this other party that we were going to within for the July weekend that was at a house very close, and we ended up seeing her there for the first time.
So she was also at this adjacent family party inside of 4th of July weekend. Oh my gosh. To give you the vibe, and that is where we first. saw her face to face since he had not speak to her, like been on the phone and she was very cold. Like, very much did not want anything to do with us. And at the time.
I was, I kind of saw her in the corner and I could see that she was talking to somebody. and I could see she was very heated about what she was talking about, and I could only imagine that, she was kind of recounting what has been going on in her life. and she said a couple things kind of verbatim that she repeated back to me in the pantry.
So I knew that’s ultimately what she was talking about and mm-hmm. So I could tell that, yeah, the vibes were a little intense and so he kind of went up to her and tried to embrace her in some way and she was very much not into it. I tried to do the same thing. She basically didn’t hug me probably the first time ever.
and so it was like a really cold interaction. and then my parents were at the house, you know, down the road kind of thing, and. Her whole point was to come there and to spend time with all of us. And she ended up leaving that house and never visited them. Never even stopped, like just kept going. So the plan was to be there kind of the whole weekend, and she kind of came in, did her thing, and left.
Left for a couple days, and then came back what would be ultimately like a couple days later. So,
Christa Innis: oh my gosh, very much.
Anonymous Guest: Not the plan. Not the plan
Christa Innis: at all. Yeah. Yeah. It’s so crazy. Like looking back, of course, like. I’m just like, she could have avoided all of this by just like responding to her fiance being like, I’m sorry I made her feel that way.
I would love to like, get lunch next week and just like, hear about your wedding plans or, just like, kind of just completely turn it over instead. have like a toddler blocking this out. We’ll have
Anonymous Guest: to, yeah. Yeah. I’ll have to cut this out, but she needs some serious therapy, so I’ll find something else to say.
But I mean, yeah, it definitely like. You could tell she was so upset and she just didn’t know how to process her feelings and or how to navigate the situation in general. And like, I get that. I totally get that. We were all in uncharted territory, so it’s like. We were all processing things and being in this interaction for the very first time.
And so I think it’s important that, we handled it how we felt we could defend and talk about and, be proud of. And, I don’t know if she felt the same way, but it seems as though like she was kind of. Operating on out of fear and like confusion and, we were really trying to make sure that we were clear and concise and kind, you know?
Mm-hmm. Like we didn’t want to create any animosity, but, a lot of it definitely could have been avoided. And especially this whole like buildup to not talking and to not, leaving and not coming and not embracing all this kinda stuff is like, well that’s just hard, you Like none of us really wanted to.
Start back up again after so many weeks kind of thing. But it’s like someone has to do it. That’s why the pantry situation happened was because I was like, we must like do this now. You know? Like it
Christa Innis: get rid of the tension.
Anonymous Guest: Yeah. We have to try. So try.
Christa Innis: Alright, so let’s, let’s talk the pantry moment. So the pantry moment,
Anonymous Guest: this large pantry.
Christa Innis: So. how did that all come about? So eventually she shows up at the house. On a day, like she kind of showed up later to everyone. Like you said, it was kind of weird. She kind of came in and out. Sorry, I’m kind of like looking back at the story. No, ahead. Tell how, tell me how that kind of like all started.
Because I think it started with your, fiance and her talking, right? And then you were kinda like listening in.
The Pantry Confrontation
Anonymous Guest: I was like, we have to address this. And they had finally just exchanged his birthday gifts It was kind of okay, but we had no, that was in front of everybody and so we had had no, like, one-on-one time with her.
and so she kind of went in inside and everybody again was sitting outside. And so I was like, well, we should go, we should gotta, we gotta do it. So I was like, go, I’ll be behind you. and. So again, the beginning of the conversation, she kind of thought she was having it with just him. And that’s why the detail about me coming into the pantry was kind of a note because she didn’t realize I was there because like he’s standing in the doorway, she’s inside the pantry and I’m on the outside behind him.
It’s tall, man. So it’s like, she didn’t know I was there. So he kind of says like, we gotta stop this. Like you gotta stop. And so then she starts explaining like how up upset she is and how this has been so upsetting for her she kind of starts venting a lot of her feelings.
And then the first thing that she kind of said that like threw me was she was like, and she said she would send me the address and like, she didn’t send me shit. And so then I was like, well, it’s my time to enter now. And so I hear my name, I’m being summed. Literally. I was like, well, you brought me into it.
Darn it. I’ll join now. So I kind of came around the corner and I was like, well, and I kind of said exactly that, like. Well, it’s not time to enter out. So, like I come in and I was just like,I didn’t even give any words out really before, she kind of came in and she got very close to me and got very aggressive as far as saying like, how dare you speak to me that way.
You know, how dare you talk about a boundary like that kind of referencing our, father’s Day weekend conversation and just essentially saying that like. She couldn’t imagine, speaking, having somebody speak to her that way. And, what the hell is a boundary kind of thing.
And it, what the hell
Christa Innis: is
Anonymous Guest: a
Christa Innis: boundary?
Anonymous Guest: Oh no. like she knows, but she lists like, what the hell, that has nothing to do with this kind of thing. Like, just not understanding the impact of really what I was saying. And she’s like in, you know, very close to my face and I was just like, are you really, like, is this really what you’re gonna do right now?
And my fiance. The man was stunned. The man’s mouth was probably a gate on the ground like, and he is again, he is definitely not a fighter and he’s not like a flight, but he’s definitely someone who just maybe a little bit freezes, especially in this moment. He’s a very like. Confident person. Like he knows how to handle stress really well.
But I think when it comes down to someone that you really didn’t expect it to be from, he just froze in that moment and he said nothing. and so it was just me, you know, me, Duke’s up, got my hands up, I’m so mentally prepared to handle this conversation. I’ve had so much therapy that I was like, I can do this.
and so I was just like. Are you really gonna, approach a conversation like that right now? Like, I am not being aggressive and I don’t have that tone. Like, I just don’t think that’s productive. And, her responses were very aggressive and trying to get her feelings across in a very, like, loud, big way.
and then I. Lost every, all of my therapy in me and I started rising as well. Hard get to, to a point where you’re just like, whatever. My ears are bright red. I am just like my heart is beating outta my chest because I’m just, I’m trying so hard to contain my thoughts and be clear, but then I’m also being attacked when I’m trying to process that.
my fiance is obviously standing there. I know this is hurting him in some capacity, so it’s like a, culmination of quite a few things that I felt like were like, leaning on my shoulders and I just started apologizing and and I truly felt apologetic like I did, that my intentions maybe were not the result of like what I said or how she felt, and.
those were just not received well at all either. So all I can do is apologize. All I can do is take ownership of what may have been unintended consequences and like it wasn’t being accepted. So at that point, like, what are we to do? we are not getting anywhere. and we went but I can go in circles for a while and we did.
So we went in circles for a while and then mm-hmm. Ultimately, it ended up kind of coming to a close in that moment, but, not without going on for quite a while before that point, and mind you we’re in a pantry that is extension of a kitchen, extension of a dining room that has got windows that are open to the outside.
So many people, I think, no real confirmation, this pantry has windows. So the pantry door was open. We were standing in the, literally, oh, we were standing in the door and then the kitchen’s open, and then there’s a doorway, and then the doorway goes straight outside. Stop. So did you see
Christa Innis: people walking by and like no one
Anonymous Guest: was in the house.
They knew what was going on, so they were like avoiding it, you know? Yeah, they, did your parents
Christa Innis: know what was going on? Like were they
Anonymous Guest: like everyone did? Yeah. It was sad. My mom actually ended up getting. Really drunk. She’s like so worked up. She was just drinking so much wine. She goes, I got so drunk. And I was just like, you’re crazy.
Like, because she was so worked up because she knows like, I certainly don’t need anybody to step in on my behalf. So she was like not worried about having to do that or. Isn’t really that personality type anyway. But she was just so stressed out by the confrontation and the attention that she like got accidentally drunk.
But I think that they could hear, so, what I know to be true is they could hear parts of it. So I think at that point, we ended up coming to kind of a, close and it didn’t really feel resolved though, at all. and it was just difficult to be like, well, this didn’t really do what we wanted, kind of thing.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh. Okay, so then the next morning she comes back to the cabin and that’s when you guys talked to her and everything like Yeah. Said that she felt disrespected. mm-hmm. And basically she just kinda leaves saying, I’m happy we talked.
Anonymous Guest: it was hard because. We’d gone kinda the whole day spending the day on the water and before this conversation even happened, and I felt so unresolved.
It seems as though she kind of came into the day with a cleanish slate and was really trying to put everything behind, but not really, addressing it necessarily enough to put it behind. Mm-hmm. She kind of just said, well, that happened and now it’s over. and so as the day went on, I just kept.
Feeling so much more tension building up, because I was like, how are you going on? As if like, this did not happen yesterday and we had, this is not really resolved. and so I was like, I’m gonna say something. And I was like, I wanna say something. And I was like, I need to right here.
So we kind of, you know, approached it and I just said like, I felt very disrespected by the comments that were made and the way that you spoke to me and the tone that you spoke to me. And I said, essentially I felt like she was. Damaging the relationship that we did have and like to me as a person, like I felt like a wounded bird and somebody’s just like punching it, I just felt as though like I was already down and it just felt like I was getting punched. And so I tried to communicate that I didn’t really feel a lot of, again, apologetic energy from her. it was more so just like trying to find a means to an end or trying to get to the end. Mm-hmm.
Resolution—or Something Like It
And, it was hard. And then as I’m saying things, I’m more verbal processor, but as I’m saying things, I’m trying so hard to get off my chest to say it and to, feel it and to communicate it. And I just kept feeling like my blood pressure rising, like everything was just getting more. And she goes in for a hug and she’s like, I’m so happy.
We talked and I was just like. shaking. Mm-hmm. And like, I was just like, oh my God, I’m gonna die. So it was really hard because I felt like I was trying so hard to do everything the right way. And then finally I get it all out and I feel, no bit better. Like not even a single percent better.
but we were having tension in the conversation. And then my fiance kind of stepped in and. be more clear and communicate from his perspective. Maybe someone she was more open to listening to. and, you know, he was just kind of shutting down some of the other things that she was saying.
And she, again, more, a little bit more receptive maybe to him. But, the problem definitely was coming from me and maybe my more outspokenness. in general about the situation. So it was, really hard and I was like, well, we, I wasn’t really happy. We talked, I’m happy I said what I said.
But yeah. You know, I don’t feel like immensely better because of it at all. Yeah. So,
Christa Innis: that’s how I, kind of understood it while I was reading it. Yeah, because it seemed very, like you were very open with her, you were very forward with how you felt, and then she was kind of just like.
Okay, happy we talked. Bye now. And I just picture that being like, oh, she’s trying to just brush it, put it under the rug, which I get to a certain extent. Yeah. Like let’s move on. But also like you did a lot, of hurt. You caused a lot of issues. Yeah. The way you acted is gonna create this little barrier now between.
Your son and his future wife. okay, so now let’s get to the new stuff for two part two. Yeah. Yeah. It’s been almost two months. You said since the incident, and you made an appointment to address shopping with your mom, your fiance’s aunt and his mom. When I read that, I was like, whoa. Okay. So she’s still invited, she’s still coming along.
Yeah. How did that go? what’s been going on since?
Anonymous Guest: Yeah, so. I felt as though it was still my responsibility to extend an olive branch or regardless of kind of where our relationship was, that that was something that I had to do, and ultimately it would’ve certainly caused more damage if I didn’t invite her, if she wasn’t a part of it.
and then giving her the opportunity to maybe make some adjustments as to how we’re handling, like wedding stuff. Like if she felt as though something really was wrong in the way she handled, like the venue conversation, stuff like that. Here’s your opportunity to handle it differently. so we did go dress shopping.
the aunt, the mom, my friend, you guys obviously mentioned the first part like bringing, like a mean friend. I did have a friend there that was like. Prepared to potentially like, fend off any comments or any mm-hmm. attitude from really anybody, ultimately wasn’t needed.
The dress shopping actually went really, really well. She right, I think she just had, had a lot of, big feelings at the time and they’d kind of settled at that point up until then. and that was, you know, like in September. So that was like quite a few months ago now. But, we checked that box, like we did that, and then I continued to dress shop with who I, not who I wanted necessarily, but just like who other groups of people I wanted to go with.
So she kind of went the first time and then proceeded to them, check in and understand like how the process was going for me. ’cause I didn’t buy anything that day as I continued to shop. and that kind of went from there. since then I would say it’s been better. It’s definitely been hard because
it’s not the same as it was. And there’s pieces of me that just feels sad about that and like wondering, like, is it gonna be like this forever or is other situations gonna bring up more explosive feelings? Like, could this happen again essentially? Mm-hmm. and so.
My fiance and I started premarital counseling last end of last year, kind of as this was settling down much after the dress shopping. And we have learned a lot in there together about like this relationship, with us of course, but then with her and our families together and stuff. And so that’s provided us with a lot of like learnings.
And something I’d recommend to literally everyone, doing premarital counseling and then. Talking about like common issues that you guys face together, which this was one that we were facing kind of together. Mm-hmm. And it gave us a lot of clarity. It gave me a lot of clarity as to how like, you know, she was feeling and she was kinda operating out of a state of fear and maybe feeling as so like her son’s finally getting married, kind of feeling.
And so I was like, better. Understood. I think her perspective, and we never really had like a long conversation about like, let’s look back on this kind of thing and I don’t think we ever will. but I’m trying to, understand like what I learned from the situation and how I could take it forward into the future.
And I. If something else happens again with her or any one of our family members, like how, essentially I have the tools and that we have the tools to like get through something like that based on what we’ve learned. So we’re on improving that relationship, with her and, we have, gone up to their house and stayed with them and, spent time with them outside of that.
And it’s, Definitely like more positive than it was. I wouldn’t say it’s just the same as it was before, so. Mm-hmm. But at the same time, like maybe it’s a lesson learned that the, distance and like the separation of. Maybe we don’t need to talk every day, or maybe we don’t need to be involved in every decision was like a huge lesson learned for maybe her or on both sides of just like what this dynamic is now that, he does have a fiance and someone that he’s building a life with and to talk to every day.
And so maybe if you guys aren’t talking as much, it’s because we’re talking a little bit or whatever that looks like. it’s a lot of change, so I totally understand that. But. It’s definitely been more positive than it was then. Like we’re on a small, incline, kind of, like getting
Christa Innis: better, getting back to like how things were.
No, that’s good. And I think that will give a lot of people hope too through like communication and you make a good point too, about. It might never be back to how it was because sometimes when you see a certain side of people or you see how they treat you in a certain way, you’re like, okay, I have to tread these waters lightly because you’re afraid of like, okay, am I going to say the wrong thing or is my boundary going to offend them again?
And so I think it’s smart to like in those moments be like, okay, I am gonna like. Just tread lightly. Keep my distance a little bit. we’re gonna be respectful of each other. so I think your story can help people see that like communication can go far and you can only do so much. Like when someone’s being like, difficult like that.
And just like giving the silent treatment, that was probably her. Working through everything, like what’s happening here. I’ve never been told no like that before or I’ve never had a boundary set against me. Or they think like, oh, a boundary means I’m a terrible person. I’m not a terrible person. Yeah. And so they immediately get like defensive.
So I feel like you are so like gracious with her, like giving them like time and like space to like, I mean, not necessarily like you asked for time and space, but she just No.
Anonymous Guest: Yeah.
Christa Innis: But yeah, I think sharing these stories are good. Like we were kind of talking about before recording, it’s like sharing these stories are good because.
Anonymous Guest: People that are going through something similar can be like, oh, okay, I’m not crazy. I went through something like this. Or I am a mom and I was crossing the boundary for my son-in-law, or my daughter-in-law. yeah, I feel we learned a lot on how to tackle maybe quote unquote problems as a couple.
’cause I feel like most often people either. seek help in the relationship. ’cause they’re obviously fighting with each other. but this was kind of a common thing that we were going through together. And so it was something that was very difficult in terms of balancing, well, this is his mom and his relationship.
So a lot of what we’ve learned, I think, kind of moving forward is that like we each deal with our own families. and mine’s not, absolved to the drama. Like there’s stuff there too. And, I think that. I deal with that and he deals with his, and it’s not so much that we are individuals dealing with our, it’s just because what we’ve found or what I found is that like families can probably be more receptive coming from their own family members.
So, kind of crossing that communication, like me talking directly to her is not a problem, but could probably be, be better received. Potentially became from him. Mm-hmm. So we started kind of saying, well if as long as you feel the same way, if we feel the same way, and this is a situation that happened with both of us, like you can handle it.
or you can address it or what that looks like. it changes every situation. But that was a big lesson learned. And then. I’ve done a lot of like work and under justand understanding relationships, and there’s just like a path to expressing yourself and then letting it go that you kind of have to follow when you cannot change what people think.
You cannot change how people react. And so the best thing you can do is, be clear and say how you feel, focus on the outcome that you want to get out of it, but. If you want to change people’s emotions in a situation, like you have to stop That’s not something that you can change.
you can only focus on, if you want an apology or do you want to be listened to, but like, you cannot change, you cannot ask for empathy. You cannot ask for understanding. Like those things are not something that you can ask for. Mm-hmm. And then if, like those things are happening and the situation becomes reactive, you kind of have to walk away.
So again, learned a lot from the situation that in general I think it’s just good life advice and relationship advice. But I think there is hope, for other people dealing with this situation and or even dealing with conflict like this in general, it. I think it’s just all about like using those emotional intelligence tools in order to have, productive conversations on difficult topics and
Christa Innis: mm-hmm.
Strengthen
Anonymous Guest: your relationship from within. So when you deal with stuff like this, it’s not me versus you, or it’s not us versus anybody, it’s just, Kind of just more communication than this tension and this big, outburst or this big long situation.
Christa Innis: So, yeah. Yeah. No, I feel like those were such great like parting words that people can hold onto that advice.
’cause like we all could use a little therapy and I feel like that was like very helpful, like to just take to our own relationships. ’cause especially a lot of people that listen. Have either dealt with this kind of situation or similar situations, or they might in the future. so I think it’s helpful to know, you know, we can’t control other people’s emotions.
All we can do is control ourselves and how we can communicate essentially. So,
Anonymous Guest: Yeah, there’s hope. There’s hope. I mean, it’s gotten better and I assume it’s going to continue getting better. but I think at the end of the day, like this situation happens because somebody cares. So deeply and in some capacity it comes from a very good place.
So it’s difficult as it presents itself, either out of fear or anxiety or sadness, but ultimately like the core emotion is different, or just there’s a lot of change going on, stuff like that. So I feel as though like the intention is always. Mostly always good. and you kind of have to sink back into that and say, well, what can I do to best understand this person?
Knowing that they’re coming from a good place? And if you know they’re not coming from a good place, just don’t interact. Mm-hmm. Just take a step back, stay as far away as possible and until you feel as though that’s the situation, because it’s just probably won’t go anywhere. But yeah.
Christa Innis: Don’t waste your energy on people like that, that are just trying to make you feel bad.
Yeah, exactly. Awesome. Well thank you so much for coming on and being vulnerable and sharing. I really appreciate it and you speak so well and I feel like, we talked about, like there’s so much to learn from this situation, but I feel like you came out of it like stronger, you learned a lot and I feel like it’s great just seeing that you’re applying it now to like future things.
so I really appreciate you coming on and sharing.
Anonymous Guest: No, thank you. Thank you so much for having me. And honestly, like I just hope. This helps anyone, so just happy to be here.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Baby Bumps, Brawls & Breaking the System with Payal Desai
She wore the same color as the bride—intentionally. Payal Desai joins Christa for a no-holds-barred conversation on gender expectations, cultural clashes, and the wild moments that weddings bring out in people.
From viral videos on dismantling patriarchal parenting to surviving chaotic family traditions, Payal shares what it’s like to raise sons in a world obsessed with “mama’s boys.” She even dishes on the unexpected wedding sabotage she experienced firsthand.
This episode dives deep into family roles, wedding faux pas, and why boundaries are the real bridal registry essential. Get ready to rethink what’s “normal” at the altar and beyond.
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Episode Chapter Markers
00:00 Introduction
02:33 Breaking Gender Norms and Patriarchy
06:17 Wedding Drama and Toxic Traditions
10:53 Personal Wedding Stories and Etiquette
17:11 Navigating Online Criticism and Trolls
28:57 Challenging Traditional Gender Roles in Marriage
31:44 Discussing Cooking and Household Roles
32:54 Generational Perspectives on Gender Roles
34:14 Personal Stories of Independence
36:08 The Value of Stay-at-Home Moms
38:05 Wedding Story Submission
46:23 Wedding Planning Confessions
Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Dusty Son Series Origins – Payal unpacks the viral moment that sparked her mission to dismantle toxic gender expectations.
- The Color Clash – Someone close to Payal showed up to her wedding wearing her exact dress color—after being told not to.
- Wedding Traditions That Go Off the Rails – Learn how fun customs can turn violent when underlying family tensions boil over.
- Cake Smash or Red Flag? – Why some “playful” wedding moments are actually warning signs.
- Mother of the Groom Drama – A deep dive into the overbearing “boy mom” trope and why it needs to stop.
- Navigating Internalized Misogyny – Payal shares how her early marriage exposed unexpected insecurities—and how she overcame them.
- Thank You Notes & Gendered Labor – Who’s really responsible for post-wedding etiquette?
- Creating Equity in Marriage – From laundry to lasagna, Payal and Christa get real about modern partnership dynamics.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “Why are we putting all the pressure on the bride? Thank you notes aren’t gendered.” – Christa Innis
- “If you need a bridesmaid to hold your boundaries, get her.” – Christa Innis
- “We don’t need to stick with tradition if it’s rooted in discomfort.” – Christa Innis
- “The day you get married shouldn’t feel like performance art for everyone else.” – Christa Innis
- “I thought wedding content would be niche, but it touches everything—boundaries, parenting, even gender norms.” – Christa Innis
- “If my content offends you, ask yourself why—what is it bringing up?” – Payal Desai
- “I wasn’t going to let anyone take my moment, no matter what they wore.” – Payal Desai
- “We have internalized misogyny, and it shows up in the smallest domestic decisions.” – Payal Desai
- “The wedding doesn’t make the marriage—no matter how big it is.” – Payal Desai
- “Being a stay-at-home mom is unpaid labor, but it has value—and we need to talk about that.” – Payal Desai
About Payal
Payal Desai, known online as @Payalforstyle on Instagram and TikTok, is the creator of the viral “Dusty Son” series—a hilarious and honest look at breaking down traditional gender roles, starting at home with her own sons. Her content has racked up millions of likes and caught the attention of major media outlets and talk shows for its bold take on everyday dynamics within families.
A sharp-witted cultural commentator, Payal uses humor to spotlight the invisible labor women carry and to challenge outdated expectations with unfiltered honesty. There’s no dramatic backstory—just a mom calling it like she sees it and making a lot of people laugh (and think) along the way.
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Christa Innis: Hello. Thank you so much for joining me today.
Payal Desai: Thank you for having me. I’m super excited for our conversation.
Christa Innis: I am so excited. I’ve been following your content for a long time now, and I think, and we’ll get into it, but I feel like there’s so much, like so much important messaging that you have mm-hmm. In your content, and that is one of the reasons why I thought it was so important to have you on. But before we get to all that, can you just introduce yourself, who you are, what you do, and we’ll kind of get into it.
Payal Desai: So I’m Payal, my handle on socials is Payal for style and I am a teacher. I taught for 16 years, teacher turned content creator.
This is my first year out of the classroom doing my content full-time on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube. And I really focus on, dispelling breaking traditional gender roles and norms. And challenging, ideals of the patriarchy. I have two boys and so I don’t believe that those things in society benefit them.
And so we do things very differently in our home, but we’re trying to normalize it.
Christa Innis: Yes, I love that. And that is why I thought you were so perfect for this because a lot of these, like crazy wedding drama stories I see have to do with Mothers of the Groom and not to point. Mm-hmm. Because I know people get really offended by that, but I think it’s really important.
The message that you share about teaching your sons and how they can treat, you know, like empowering them in different ways of like. Not just mama’s little boy. Mm-hmm. Do no wrong. Boys will be boys. So I think you have such important messages that people need to see.
Payal Desai: Yeah, absolutely. And my, my question to that would be like if you are, ’cause a lot of people are very offended by my content.
If you’re offended, ask yourself why. Like, why. what offends you? Why does it upset you to bring up these topics of like, mothers who are overbearing or say things like, my son will be my slowest heartbreak. Like, what? Why are we need to talk about that? That’s not healthy. And yeah, so. We need to ask ourselves those questions too.
Christa Innis: I know. I was just saying to someone like I do a mix of like when I share like different wedding stories, I do a mix. Like one might be like a bridesmaid drama, one might be a mother of the groom, one might be a stepmother, and when I post mother of the groom, I get messages sent to me that are like, how dare you just target mothers of the groom?
You know, there’s drama with other people too. Or this is exhausted, they’ll like comment that’s not like, why are you. Offended though, because if I see Yeah, a video about like a Bridezilla, I’m not gonna be like, oh my gosh, why would you talk about this? Because I’m like, I didn’t act that way, so I don’t mm-hmm.
I don’t feel offended. But I think it’s such an important topic of this like, boy, mom. Of, oh, the bride’s not good enough or, yes. putting them down, or like, my son’s a prince, he can do no wrong.
Payal Desai: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: but the daughter, you know, it’s, it’s her fault.
Payal Desai: Yeah, absolutely. Like I have the series that went viral for me was the Dusty Sun Series and the original video that I had.
Scene was a mom teaching her son how to cook so that your dusty daughter’s Stouffer’s lasagna won’t impress him. And so I saw that and I was like, what are we doing? Like already you have this hypothetical daughter-in-law that you are demeaning and putting down, you don’t even like your child is. Five years old and you’re teaching him how to cook so that some girl in the future who’s dusty, can’t like, who isn’t capable of taking care of him.
What? So I saw that and I was like, we’ve gotta flip this narrative like that. We need to empower our boys. To take care of themselves. Yes. But we also need to empower them to respect their partners. And so I just wanted to flip that whole narrative and now the series is like over two years strong because there’s a lot of ground to cover.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah. It’s like there’s so much learning from it, but I feel like there’s still, it’s like, there’s like a hard area of like, I dunno, hard. Shell to crack, I should say. There’s still some people that are like, won’t see that way. of like how it can be very toxic to, raise their sons to think like, you can do no wrong.
It’s, you know. Mm-hmm. It’s up to your standards. Like, of course we should have standards, but like, that’s not just a man thing. Like we should all have standards for our right course. but I think it gets very, very construed. Absolutely. I agree. So let’s talk like jump right into some different crazy stories and some wedding hot takes.
So starting off the bat, do you have any kind of crazy wedding stories, either things that you’ve seen or witnessed or had at your own wedding?
When Wedding Traditions Turn Violent
Payal Desai: Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, in Indian traditional weddings, one of the traditions is that the bride side will, steal the groom’s shoes as they are entering the ceremony.
And the way that the groom then retrieves his shoes is by paying like the bridesmaids, the cousins, the sisters, the family. He is like kind of earning his way back into the family and. This is supposed to be a very playful, fun tradition. Usually like everyone knows it’s gonna happen. So like there, you know, you steal the shoes and then you get kind of chased around and then the groom finally eventually like hands off the money, gets his shoes back.
But when there are underlying tensions, this can get. Like violent. And I have literally been to a wedding where there were underlying tensions. I don’t think that everyone in the room wanted the marriage to happen. And when it came to that point, like it was a brawl. It was a brawl like it was. Fists being thrown, like people on the floor.
yeah, it was awful. And it just, you know, it was not the joyous moment that you would think it would be. so clearly it revealed that there was a lot of tension in play.
Christa Innis: That’s what like a lot of those like traditional things, like I was just talking to some of like how the bouquet toss can sometimes get that way too.
Mm-hmm. Where I feel like it’s like either built up Yes. Or like these, like women like have rivals with each other. or men at the wedding or like, oh, for during the, garter toss. Like, I’m gonna put Yeah. Guy outta the way and they get violent. ’cause it’s like, that’s.
I don’t know. It’s like their time. They’re like, oh, it’s okay though. this is tradition. It’s allowed.
Payal Desai: Yeah. Or even like one that I’ve seen lately, like pop up on socials is like a little different, but it’s when the bride and groom are feeding each other cake and like when the groom like takes icing and like smashes it or like puts it all over her face or, it’s just like red flag, but like too late because the ceremony’s over and so.
I feel so bad for those women because I just think it’s like a precursor. Like that’s not funny. Yeah, that’s not funny.
Christa Innis: That is, that’s looking to embarrass you. Yeah, and they’re like almost inserting their dominance now being like, ha ha. Because I saw one too where it was like they had literally talked about it for the wedding, so she must have already had some kind of gut feeling or a red flag of being like, he might do this.
Hey, I don’t want you to do this. I’m not comfortable, or whatever. And he still did it. And then you can see the resistance, like you can see them like fighting. Yeah. And you’re like, what hap okay, if this happens in front of all these people, what’s happening behind closed doors?
Payal Desai: Exactly. If he’s gonna publicly humiliate you on your most important day, one of the days, you deemed to be your most important.
Right. Man, I can’t even, so, yeah.
Christa Innis: I feel like that also, it’s like those, I have, there’s like speeches by grooms that I’ve seen that you’re like, they’re using this as like a way to like. Almost, it’s like they didn’t wanna get married, so they’re gonna make a speech about like, oh, she’s so lucky to have me.
Like, I just saw ve where the guy, all he did was talk about like him being there with his boys and never once said, my wife looks beautiful. He literally looked at her and goes, you look all right. Yeah. It’s not funny. Oh, that’s his humor. Like, I don’t think so. Like that’s not the time. Mm-hmm. Like, tell your wife she looks beautiful on her wedding day.
Like, I don’t know.
Payal Desai: Yeah. I mean, I think that if you are. Worried or concerned about the way that your partner is going to behave on the day of the wedding, and that’s like a foremost concern for you. That in itself is a red flag. Yes. You need to think about why you are so concerned about what even if like alcoholism in play or whatever like.
Why, why is this an issue? Like it shouldn’t be.
Christa Innis: Yes. No, absolutely. If you are concerned that something’s gonna happen or
Payal Desai: Yeah,
Christa Innis: like maybe let’s ask ourselves what’s going on here? Becausefeel like so many times in these stories that I see, it’s like they’re just so excited to get married, which I get, it’s a very mm-hmm.
Thing, but. Let’s like not sacrifice like our own happiness just to get married and just to jump to that finish line or that next step. Because I feel like you see all these wedding videos and you’re like, oh no, they just did this to like, and now they’re gonna embarrass them and during their vows or something.
Yeah. Yeah. What other, did you have another story that you wanted to share? Like, or anything else that you’ve seen at weddings?
Twins on My Wedding Day?
Payal Desai: Yeah, so one thing that personally happened to me, Indian traditional weddings, the bride wears red, and I chose to wear like this fuchsia pink color specifically because that’s the color that my mom wore as well at her wedding.
So I was like, oh, I’m gonna like break the mold a little bit. But it’s still like a very bright, vibrant, like. Magenta, pinkish kind of color. And so that was the color of my Ari and I was super excited to wear it. I had told a bunch of people that, you know, like my friends bridesmaids, like all of that.
Like I had told everyone that this is the color that I was wearing. So I, it’s not like it was a secret. I had shared it. Somebody in pretty close proximity to the, wedding party. I’m not going to say who showed up when we were doing family photos and had that, like when I say to the t exact shade on, I’m not exaggerating even a little bit.
Oh. And it was somebody who I had shared that I was wearing, like I had sent a photo of my pic, my outfit to, and I was just like, in that mo I was shocked, like. Twins. What? I don’t wanna be like, I trust studio. I don’t wanna be twins with anyone on my wedding day. And I was very, very upset about it. but you know, this is pre ceremony, so we’re, this is the morning of like, what am I supposed to do?
I also wasn’t going to like tell them to change, but I just was seething inside and one of my best friends was like. This isn’t on you. Like everyone’s gonna look at this and be like, what were they thinking? Yeah. Not, not, this isn’t a reflection of you. You’ve gotta remember that. And I was like, I’m still mad.
Um, so then the day went on and I had, there were so many other things that I had to obviously prioritize and focus on. And I’m very much like, I need, I wanna see the best in the situation. I don’t wanna react. Um. So I didn’t. Okay. I didn’t, and I, you know, I never really even confronted the person either.
Um, but now it’s been like 13 years. So it’s not that I’m over it, but I just like, I don’t think about it anymore. Like I, whatever. It’s just, it’s just also something like, I wouldn’t do that, you know? So, yeah.
Christa Innis: Just like, especially the fact that you shared it with this person and you were like very open about like, Hey, this is the color I’m wearing because my mom wore it.
And for them to come in, like, I feel like I’d be very like, similar to you or like, I wouldn’t wanna cause like a stir that day, even though you’re not the one causing it. But like Yeah, it’s like you don’t wanna say anything ’cause you’re like, that could just make the, the day kind of Yes. Surrounded around that.
Payal Desai: My reaction would have, and I think that this is something that happens often, like when you’re upset about something and it’s the day of, like your reaction is a reflection, right? So like, you kind of, if it’s, if you know that it’s something that has to be said, then fine react. But like, I just, there was nothing to do about this.
I, what was I gonna say? You know? Yeah. It felt like. I felt kind of like there was no point in making it an issue, but yeah.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I know those things are so hard because like even when I do like skits of like stories that people send me, they’re like, I hate that the bride didn’t say anything. And it’s like, I get it.
You want to say something, but at the same time, it’s like if you chose that moment to like,
Payal Desai: mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Make a scene about it. Then it just, like, I feel like then there’s just like awkward tension and I feel like, yeah, maybe you can like confront it later, but it’s like, at that point, the, the day’s over. I don’t know.
Payal Desai: Yeah. I mean, I’m all, I’m about protecting my peace, like I’m about protecting my energy and my peace. I’ve always been that way, so I was like, ain’t nothing gonna ruin my day. Like, I, I’m gonna keep vibing. I also think that that helps me to. Also own the moment. Like, this is my moment. Like no one’s taking it from me no matter what you’re wearing.
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah, absolutely. I totally get that. Um, yeah, no, that is, that’s crazy. I’ve, I’ve heard of similar things happening. I’ve never mm-hmm. A wedding where, where that happens. But like, even with, um, someone told me a story where the mother of the bride came wearing like a wedding gown and no one knew. And so like.
It was like this white wedding gown that literally ma like, oh my God. It was like fancier than the bride. And, but it was like one of those things too where like, I don’t think she said anything, but it was more like everyone just knew like this mom was being outrageous. Like what
Payal Desai: is going on? There’s like, on one hand it’s like, of course you take pride in what you wear and you wanna show up to your child’s wedding looking bomb.
Like in the future, I, I, I’m a fashion girly, like I’m gonna Yeah. Care a lot what I wear to, you know, either of my son’s like big events. Right. But it’s, it’s another, um. It’s another idea to like try to show others up or try to show anybody up. And I see that too. Like whenever you have a mom of the groom, I, I follow this one woman and she had done like a series of videos where she was trying to choose a dress for her son’s wedding and the hate in the comments because like some of the dresses were like way more fashion forward or modern or like, she just looked good in them.
People were tearing her apart. And I feel like two ways about that because I don’t know what her intentions are. I don’t think she’s like, I can’t assume she’s trying to show up her daughter-in-law. Right.
Christa Innis: But I don’t know. I know people always like to assume like the worst online, but that’s the thing.
It’s like, yeah, if it was the complete opposite, people would have something to say too. That’s like how people are online. It’s great. You can never appease people online. Oh yeah. They’re just gonna like critique. Anything I’ve try, I’m like, learn, I’m like at a point where I’m like really trying to learn to like, have boundaries with like reading comments and like mm-hmm.
Say things. ’cause I, I take everything to heart and my husband’s like, you, like, you let it affect you so much. And like, so someone says something to me and I’m like, it’ll like weigh down on me. So I’m like, I’m really like learning Yeah. Boundaries with that stuff. Because like, people online, like the bullies, they don’t matter.
They’re sitting behind a keyboard trying to just Yes. Sit down. Well,
Payal Desai: honestly, a lot of trolls are like literally teenagers. I’m not lying to you, like online. A lot of trolls are like high school boys. Um, and I know that because I, I taught middle and high school. I, I know that. And so whenever, sometimes I’m like going like at dad with like a troll online, I’m like.
Is this person 15 years old and like up too, too late past their bedtime? And then he kind of gives me a little perspective and I’m like. A backup. Like you really don’t know who’s behind the screen doesn’t just, you gotta let it go.
Christa Innis: Do you think being a teacher, like really like humbled you and like, gave you like a harder exterior at all to things?
I remember. Oh yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say, one of my friends is a teacher and high school and she was like, sometimes they’ll say things where they don’t like mean to be mean, but then I’m later like, oh, like, they’ll be like, oh, I’ve never seen a style be pulled off that way. Or they’ll be, they’ll say something like, oh yeah, that’s almost like.
Wait, was that an insult?
Payal Desai: Oh my God, yes. I mean, a hundred percent spot on. Two things prepared me to like be publicly on the internet with a large audience. Okay. Uh, I’m the youngest of three. I have two older sisters. Okay. So that, that did me in and then I taught middle and high school. Yes. Like I would get my hair cut and go to school and they kids would be like, why’d you get your hair cut?
Okay. That’s not the reaction I was looking for. You’re like, thank you. Why are you wearing that? What, and it was just like, it really does like dishearten you, like, you’re like, okay. And it, we would just, I’d laugh it off like, what, what am I gonna take offense? So I find that that tough exterior really helps me.
Yeah. Online.
Christa Innis: I love the thought of, I should just start picturing mm-hmm. Comments as like 13-year-old kids and I’ll just feel like bad I’m taking, telling you you that yes, that is
Payal Desai: like, that’s a huge population that’s on the internet, so it could very likely be 18 age.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Kid. Oh my gosh, I do. I feel like it’s either that or it’s like older, like my parents’ age sometimes that leave me comments, but I’ve had a few, I’ve had a few like apologize, and they’re like, I was having a bad day.
I’m like, it’s all good. You know what? Oh, I
Payal Desai: love that. That’s always really great when like all of a sudden you’re friendly with your troll, you know? Yeah. Like I’ve had those moments too, where we like. I go back and forth and it’s like ugly and I don’t know what I, why I’m even participating in this. And then like one, one person will be like, listen, I, you sound like you’re hurting and something might be going on with you.
And they’re like, yeah, I am hurting. And I’m like, oh my God, what a beautiful connection with a draw. Right? Do you see the friend you, we need to connect. And that’s gotta be the middle school experience too, because a kid could be awful. And then like obviously the next day. I’m not holding the grudge. It’s a kid.
So you know, you like resolve and repair and move on. Yes,
Christa Innis: yes. Oh my gosh. A lesson for everybody listening. Picture them as just like a kid, just like learn
Payal Desai: growing and that’s some top tier content creator advice right there. If you are trying to be online, then like Yeah. If you go, you got a picture of the troll as a kid.
Christa Innis: Yes. Oh my gosh. I love that. Okay, let’s go into some wedding hot takes, and then we’re gonna get into this week’s story, which I’ve not read yet, but, um, I, I think it’s a doozy. It’s gonna be a good one. Okay. Okay, so, um, wedding writing, drama, debates. Um, so here are some unpopular opinions that people have sent us.
And let’s see. Um, this first one says, brides should always pay for hair and makeup if they’re offering it for their bridal party.
Payal Desai: Is it, if it’s a choice, it like, do they have a choice in it or. It’s like the bride wants them to all be uniform. I
Christa Innis: think if the bride wants them to get hair and makeup, they’re saying that the bride should pay for
Payal Desai: it. Mm-hmm. I think so, because I’ve been in weddings where it’s like, you have, I want everyone’s hair to look like this.
I want everyone’s makeup to look like this, and if you’re gonna dictate what you want me to look like, then you should probably flip the bill.
Christa Innis: Yeah. No, I agree with that. I’ve never been in a wedding where. It was like you had to get your hair and makeup done. It was always an option. So I’ve always just,
Payal Desai: mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: There’s been somewhere I’ve just done my own, but, or I’ll just pay for it. But my own wedding, I told them, I was like, I’m getting a makeup artist that’ll be there and a and a hair girl. If you guys want it, let me know. If not, yeah. Feel free. Um, that’s exactly what I did too. Yeah. I did the same. Because then it’s like they don’t have pressure and I feel like too, like, um, luckily, like, I mean, a lot of people knew the makeup artist at my wedding, like a lot.
She kind of like went through our friend group, but like, you go to some weddings and the makeup, like, it’s just, you feel, you don’t feel like yourself or you know. Mm-hmm. And especially as a bridesmaid, you don’t have like a trial. So it’s, it can be, I get it. If you’re better at doing makeup, just, just do that.
Payal Desai: Yeah, I agree with that.
Christa Innis: Okay, this next one, thank you. Cards are unnecessary.
Payal Desai: Okay, so for my wedding, thank you cards for after, right. I split it down and I was like, you do your side. I’m gonna do mine. Oh, smart. I’m not right. Okay. Indian weddings are huge. I had 500 people at my wedding. Oh my gosh. You would have like that hand cramp.
Yeah, like carpal tunnel. Carpal tunnel. There we go. Writing cards. And again, like I’m the youngest of three. My older sister, she and her wedding cards printed personalized photos from her. So she got her photographer to make sure that they got photos of like everybody at the wedding. And then she found photos of like different people who attended with them.
The couple. Printed them and put them in the thank you cards. I was like, no. Okay. Nope. Not doing that. Like, that’s like really cute and thoughtful. Not for me. Okay. So then I was like, and then I took in a step further. I was like, well, I got my side. You can take care of yours because I’m not right. Like everyth, everything for me has always been like split down the middle and I’m for love that it, it works for us, right?
Like. There was a point where I thought that I needed to, as the woman of the house, needed to do all the laundry. ’cause that’s what I saw growing up, right? Like my dad didn’t pick up any of his laundry. My mom did everything. And so I was like, when it comes to laundry, like I’ve gotta do it all. It took me like two months of being married to be like.
I’m getting my own bin. You do yours. I do mine. From that day on, like, and now the boys like, well, my 9-year-old does his own and my four year old’s learning. That’s amazing. Okay, let’s go. And my husband grew up learning how to do his own laundry too. So he was like, yeah, what we, I’ll do my own. So I was like, okay.
But yeah, it’s all these like traditional things, right? So anyway, I did send mine out, TBD if he ever sent his out 13 years ago. I really, you know what? At that point, like I’m, that’s not, I’m sorry. If you think that’s a reflection of me. No, I It’s not.
Christa Innis: It’s not. Yes. I love that you’ve said that because so many people put it on the woman and then it’s your responsibility to then double check with him, oh, did they get sent out?
Or this? It’s like, no, I. That’s what we decided. And that was it. Because I’ve, this is like a mini story, but one of my friends, and hopefully it’s okay with me sharing this, I mean, I’m not gonna say who it is, but she said when she, like first married her husband, um, one of his aunts said to her, oh, and she had something like, very traumatic happened after the wedding.
Again, I don’t wanna say details, but it was like a very, it was a, a family thing that happened. So she was dealing with a lot like two weeks after the wedding. This aunt of her husband came up to her and said like, I didn’t get a thank you note from you yet, and she was like. Um, I’ve been kind of going through a lot and the aunt was just like, well, it’s your duty to get that out to me.
And meanwhile she’s like, why don’t you ask your nephew? Like, why are you me? And it’s just like this, like pressure on the woman to be like, mm-hmm. You have to get that out. Do no mind. It’s two only two weeks after the wedding or a couple weeks after the wedding, something bad happened. You know, it’s just like, why are we putting this pressure.
Kin Keeping and Traditional Women Roles
Payal Desai: Yeah, I, I don’t buy into that stuff at all. Again, that’s called kin keeping, right? Like when you are, and kin keeping is oftentimes placed, the burden is placed on the woman to keep the family together. You’re here. So now you need to work on all the con correspondences that occur to ensure that thank you cards are sent out, or invitations or birthday cards and like, so if, I feel like if you normalize all of that right in the beginning of your marriage, like.
That’s gonna now be your task for the rest of time. And if you’re good at it, like, listen, there are, I think my sister who put the photos, personalized photos, I think she took joy in it. Yes. Do it. Yeah. I don’t take joy. I’m not doing it. You know, I, I think that that’s fine. Like if, even if it’s a traditional role, but you really enjoy it and love it.
Then for sure go ahead and do it. I’m not try like digging my heels in just because I wanna, you know, like challenge the system. It’s just what didn’t work for us versus what works for other people.
Christa Innis: Yeah, absolutely. And that all being said though, too, I am a huge proponent of Thank you. Thank you cards myself, I.
Because I, I see, I see different things all the time. It’s like if you thank someone in person, like for kids’ birthday parties, I get like,
Payal Desai: mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Moms are busy. We, we can’t always get thank you notes out. I get that. So if you thank someone in person for a gift or they open it, sure. Like that’s, I get it for a wedding, I think for us, like.
We just like had an Excel file and like, this is how like type A I am. And I was like, I’ll just write 10, 10 a week. And then like my husband would like label and he would like, like seal and like stamp ’em or something and we were just like, let’s just get ’em out. ’cause like, but that’s really
Payal Desai: good. That’s teamwork.
I love that.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Well, and it’s funny how you were talking about the laundry thing with your husband. Like with us it was like, I would, I als also like automatically put the stuff on my plate and my husband would be like. You know, I’m here. I, I can sit here with you and do it. And I was like, you like what?
Mm-hmm. Why would you do that with me? And he’s like, because I’m your husband. I’m here. And I’m like, oh, okay. And it’s stuff like, I don’t share on my personal page and stuff, but like people, I feel like people have a feel day knowing that he probably does the laundry more than I do. He probably thinks more than I do.
Like we, we split most stuff, but like, it’s just like we.
Payal Desai: We found what works for us and Exactly. And like, if that’s what works for you, then that’s great like that then that’s really all that matters. I’ve been thinking so much, like, not to go way too deep, but like I’ve been thinking about how like everyone really has internalized misogyny within us, especially like the way that I grew up and what I saw as like, um, you know, in front of me modeled.
Everyone has internalized misogyny. And one way that it showed up in my marriage is that my husband loves to cook and he always has. And so when we got married, that was sort of the role that he just like naturally took. And um, so we would meal plan together and everything, but like then he would like really execute the dish.
And I did not want like anyone to know about this. I did not want his parents to know, like I didn’t wanna make it a topic. I didn’t wanna tell, tell my mom because every time it came up socially, like it made me feel like I. It made me look bad. Mm-hmm. Like I wasn’t fulfilling my duty. And there was even one time we hosted his family over and I made him tell them that I come to the lasagna and he was like, okay.
Like I’ll tell them that’s okay. Like I’ll tell them that you made it. And like, I had not, I had assisted, I had sous chef. I was not doing it. And like, it still counts, but like, yeah. That’s the, that. I was so worried about how people view traditional roles that,
Christa Innis: oh my gosh, I feel so
Payal Desai: seen right now.
Christa Innis: I,
Payal Desai: I still, yeah.
It’s taken me a really long time to just now proudly be like, yeah, and it, it comes from women a lot of times, like women will make snide remarks and be like, well, he’s the one that cooks. Yes. Okay. Like, if I bring a dish to a potluck with friends, they’ll be like, well, what did he make? This is my husband.
What did he make? He made a buffalo chicken dip and it’s really good. Yes. So like, the way, the tone in which it’s shared or like just giving him credit, I’m like, why? What are we doing? Like, we have, there’s internalized misogyny in us.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I think it’s too, um, couples that maybe haven’t, you know, openly have that conversation of like, you know, maybe the woman does everything.
Mm-hmm. They almost feel like. I don’t know the right word to say, but like, when they hear someone, like someone’s husband does, does do some cooking, they’re like, oh, well my husband can do that. And so it’s like an instant, like they’re angry that it’s not working out for them. ’cause, and I, I’m not gonna say who, but there was someone close to me that like, when they found out my husband like cooked dinner for us one night, they were like, like to their husband.
They were like, oh, well you never cook for me. Mm-hmm. And it was just like this like awkward moment. ’cause I was like. Uh, uh. Okay. Like, I don’t know. Yeah. Yeah. Like, he just always, like, that’s the same, like, my husband really enjoys cooking. And cooking for me has always been like second nature. Like I do okay if I like focus, but it’s just not my, I don’t find complete joy in it.
Payal Desai: I don’t, I don’t find joy. I really don’t. It’s just nothing. I’ve never really found joy in it. Um. And I think that when you are in a partnership like we’ve been talking about, like when one person has a strength and they take it on, it’s not as though he’s in the kitchen like doing everything on his, I’m like, behind, I’m cleaning.
I’m sure you do dishes. I’m sure you’re like part of it because you both have to be part of it. Yeah. So I think that when people know he cooks, they just picture me like laying on the couch. We have two children. Somebody’s giving them baths, like somebody’s doing something. There’s always something. My hands are never just idle, you know?
Um, but whenever we know that a man is taking on a very traditional role, we automatically are not. We Society is, wants to criticize that. I don’t understand it. I really don’t get it
Christa Innis: 100%. I feel like there’s so much more discourse about that now and the older generations that almost didn’t really have a choice where it was just like the, the man goes to work, he comes home, dinner should be ready on the table, maybe even like older.
’cause I. I think, I don’t know. I think my parents’ generation was kind of starting to like equal a little bit, but it’s like grandparents’ generation for sure. It was like dinner on the table when you get home. Mom takes care of the kids and so now that they’re seeing this conversation, people that I feel like.
It worked for them, and they’re like, why can’t, why can’t the wife just be cooking? Why can’t this happen? It’s like, mm-hmm.
Payal Desai: You gotta, you gotta question who was it really working for? Who was, who remained extremely comfortable in the way that it was. Like, if we wanna sit here and assume or make the, uh, statements about how happy our grandmas were mm-hmm.
Cross culture, they were not. Right. They, they were oftentimes burdened without a choice. Yes. There’s not a lot of happiness in that. Okay. So you gotta just like, be able to critically talk about these things and not just be like, why can’t it just be like traditional?
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh well. Well, a hundred percent.
Yeah. I feel, yeah, I feel like, um, I kind of had, I don’t share a lot of my personal. Life on out here. But like, I’ve had kind of like two different, like molds when it came to my grandparents. And like my grandmother I’m really close to, um, she, I don’t even know when it was, I was a kid when she got divorced, but she, she’s always taught like such independence, like she’s done everything for herself.
And so I really like. I feel like I learned a lot from her. Yeah. She was like, women can do everything. Like she was an ER nurse and she’s like, mm-hmm. I knew more than the doctors. Doctors would try to come in and they would try to, these men would try to tell me what I knew, and she’s like, I knew more than them.
Yeah. And I was like, yeah, you go girl. And she was like, you just have, she just really, I feel like, brought a lot of that, that out of me, because I’m like, yes, not tra, she’s not traditional in that way. So I was like. Yes, we need that. That’s amazing.
Payal Desai: And rare, right? Like I’m sure for her generation that was a little rare and maybe even getting divorced was not accepted by society.
’cause it, it wasn’t as common for her generation, the next generation. Yes. It became like more common because, because. Women were no longer tolerating and like joining the work for like full-time. You have two parents who are working full-time and if the domestic labor is not, if there is an equity in that, then it’s going to cause conflict as it should.
Yes. Yeah,
Christa Innis: definitely. Oh my gosh, I feel like we could talk about this forever. I love it. Oh my God. Yeah. Like I, I’m so like, passionate about it just because like. I feel like it makes such a difference in the way like. I’m able to parent because my husband’s an equal part. Mm-hmm. And I just, I, um, I feel like so many women can’t speak up about that or they’re just, we’re kind of pushed into the role of
Payal Desai: mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: And this is not, I feel like stay-at-home moms are amazing and I think they’re, if that is your passion and goal and like, do it. Yes. But so many are pushed into that role without asking if that’s what they want or if they want. More. And I know I can get on a whole topic
Payal Desai: from that. I really could too, because I think that a stay at home mom, it, we need to start looking at that as a literal job with duties.
And you would never be working somebody around the clock, right? Like you would never give them 24 7 tasks like they, they’re working overtime constantly. Other jobs do have boundaries. Usually, or you can put in place healthy boundaries. And I’m just reflecting on like my job as a teacher, which oftentimes can have no boundaries, but I had to really work to do that.
So you’ve gotta be with somebody who also understands what you’re doing is a service. It’s a job and you may not be getting a paycheck for it, but you’re saving your family money. Right. Yeah. So there is, there, there is like a financial aspect of being a stay at home mom and we need to be talking about that a lot more than we do.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah. We need to be valuing it as that. Yeah. The full job that you were, you were just talking about because, um, I used to work for like a mommy brand and I worked in a mom, like mom group and so many of these women were just kind of like. Almost like put in a spot where it’s like their husband controlled every single thing.
And so it’s like they wanted that stay at home job, you know, mom role, but then they weren’t able to like have a certain amount of money or they were, and it’s like, mm-hmm. No, we like value because. By her doing this, you’re allowed more time at work or you’re allowed more time to do this. Um, and so yeah, that’s one of, one of the many issues in our society right now.
Payal Desai: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That’s
Christa Innis: a whole other topic. Okay. Let’s get into this week’s wedding story submission.
Payal Desai: Yeah.
Baby Bombshell To Full-Blown Riot
Christa Innis: Um, this might be a long one, but, so I’m just gonna start reading it and we’ll stop and we can react or feel free to stop me at any point. Here we go. Okay. My sister and I were always super close to our cousin and his sister.
When he got engaged to his first wife, they invited my sister, his sister, and me to be a part of their wedding. We happily accepted during the planning. They asked my boyfriend at the time to be a DJ for the wedding, and he accepted. We were getting everything set up for him. We had to travel out of state for this while also getting our dresses.
During the time his sister announced her pregnancy, his fiance did not like that, and then kicked her out of the wedding. Wait, what? And their cousin, so the The girl cousin?
Payal Desai: Yeah.
Christa Innis: Her pregnancy. And the fiance kicked her out of the wedding for that.
Payal Desai: Oh, wow. That’s awful.
Christa Innis: What, so I can’t imagine like being like, we’re engaged this year, so all next year, like till next year, you can’t announce anything important in your life.
Payal Desai: Yeah. Like don’t, don’t take the, take my thunder pretty much.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh my. That’s crazy. Can’t imagine that. Okay. We traveled for the wedding and arrived a few days early so we could attend the rehearsal. During the rehearsal dinner, they handed out gifts to the bridal party. Only our cousin and our family spoke to us, the bride, to be barely said anything to my sister or meet the rehearsal or the following day.
Okay, interesting. Fast forward to the wedding and reception. The ceremony went well, but the reception was a complete disaster. Her parents went through the wedding gifts and cards to pay my boyfriend for his DJ services.
Payal Desai: Oh my
Christa Innis: God,
Payal Desai: that’s so
Christa Innis: kki. That’s so, this is why, and I’ve said this before, it’s like when you hire friends, they’re looking for like a little like.
Either like discount? Mm-hmm. Or they just not as, I don’t know, professional.
Payal Desai: I don’t think like friends and business ever mix, like I just No. No, they don’t. That’s a no for me.
Christa Innis: You need extra like contracts in place or to really make sure it’s someone that you want to work with, but most of the time it’s like, yeah, no,
Payal Desai: it just gets mucky.
It gets mucky, and then you’re trying to go through cards to pay. Dj,
Christa Innis: the number of stories that I’ve read about people hiring friends for photographers and vice versa. Mm-hmm. And then they ended up with no photos or they ended up with crappy photos ’cause it was someone just starting out. Like, no, we’re not doing that.
Guys. Like,
Payal Desai: well, and with a friendship or even like with family, like a falling out could occur. And so why would you with, if it’s a professional and it, you don’t have like a relation to that person. There’s a contract and you abide by that. But a lot of times if you’re working with a friend, like you may forego the contract ’cause it’s like, oh, we don’t have to make it all official.
Like you’ll just do it for me.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Wrong. Yeah. Oh yeah. There. It’s always that kind of person that you have to worry about that says, we don’t need a contract. It’s fine. You’re like, yes we do. I dunno. Something’s telling. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Um, it says, so to pay the boyfriend for his DJ services as they had never paid him before, also always get money down first.
That kind of thing. ’cause
Payal Desai: yeah.
Christa Innis: If they never, yeah, who knows if they ever paid him.
Payal Desai: Mm-hmm.
Christa Innis: Um, there was a lot of animosity between her family and ours the entire night. If my family was ever on the dance floor, which was most of the night, her family stayed away. What is the deal? Also, I feel like if something like that happened where they kicked out someone for announcing a pregnancy, I would already be like, this is weird.
Like, I don’t know. I don’t know. Especially like it’s his sister being kicked out of the wedding.
Payal Desai: Yeah, when
Christa Innis: you pick up your family and be like, why are you kicking my sister out for announcing a pregnancy?
Payal Desai: Mm-hmm. But it, do you think that there’s like an obligation to, uh, including like your husband’s female?
Uh, family members in the wedding party. ’cause I don’t think, there is no, like, if you don’t have a closeness with them, like you should not feel obligated. ’cause I feel like when you do, this is the kind of stuff that happens. Whereas if you’re just like, Hey, like your family, I’m marrying your family into your family, you’re marrying and into my family.
Let relationships happen like organically and over time people become close or they don’t, but like, just including them for optics is kind of like. A problem, I think. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Oh, for sure. You always see like pressure from like parents or something to have mm-hmm. Siblings all in the wedding together. Um, and I’ve even talked to a bride groom once and the groom was like, yeah, my parents are threatening to not pay for anything and not come to the wedding if I don’t have my brother as my best man.
I was like, well, do you want him as your best man? He said, Nope. I’m like, listen, the
Weddings, Traditions, and People-Pleasing
Payal Desai: more and more I like have lived life and like been in my marriage, like first of all, the wedding day now is very different than the marriage, right? Like the wedding day of the celebration. But I, I don’t know, for my own kids, for instance, like I don’t know if I will be so disappointed if they like choose not to do something huge.
It’s just like, not that like I want them to be happy in life. Like if that means that you elope, like I’m still celebrating you. I, I don’t know. Maybe I’ll change my mind, like call me naive. I don’t know. My boys are young, but. I think that there’s this almost like misconceived priority placed on, or I don’t know, the, it’s just, it seems like Ill place, like what do we really care about?
Christa Innis: Yes. I think, yeah, it’s all about like perception or how people are looking at us. It’s just, yes, and I feel like that’s where it gets kind of like lost and misconstrued is like we get so caught up in what other people think about us during the wedding or like. Parents of, you know, and it’s like, I still have
Payal Desai: time.
Or abiding by like these traditions that you don’t even really know the reasoning for. Um, and if, if you’re a people pleaser, like it’s over, it’s over for you because you’re not, even, the day isn’t, isn’t even about you.
Christa Innis: Oh, a
Payal Desai: hundred
Christa Innis: percent. And like people always like. I don’t know. People have their own like expectations when it comes to like how long you should be together before you get engaged or married.
And my husband and I were together a few years before. Okay, we’re going six years before we got engaged and all that. We lived together for a while and I know there’s many people online, they’re like, oh, there’s that so long. But like I think back to like my twenties when we were dating, I would not have had.
A backbone when it came to planning. And like we were, we just weren’t ready like we wanted to be, like Ready? Yeah. Our careers a little bit more and we wanted to like, you know, all that stuff, but whatever. Um, and so for me it was like, I think back, if I were like a young bride, I would’ve just been like.
Okay. Whatever you guys want. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I don’t know. Just people pleaser and like Yeah. When I got married I was like, this is kinda what we wanna do. Mm-hmm. My husband and I, we got on the same page. We were very like Sure of like, plus we also, like when you’re in our twenties, everyone’s your best friend.
Yes. We got married like early thirties, and so it was just kind of like, for us, we were like, all right, we were able to like cut down a little bit. Mm-hmm. By this point, these are friends that were gonna be like with us for like our life. Yeah. There’s benefits to both. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Not knocking anyone that gets married young.
I was just like, I feel like it’s just, it’s just different for it is because
Payal Desai: you’re, you’re ki as you grow, like you’re a different person. Like I’m a different person than I was when I got married at 20. Six. You know, like mm-hmm. So I was a people pleaser and I wanted to make sure that everyone, my parents, his parents, everyone was like, happy.
And like, even if somebody showed up in the same color as me, I was like, that’s fine. Okay. You wanna stand on,
Christa Innis: on stage with me too while I get married?
Payal Desai: Do you? Do you just wanna do it with like whatever you want? Yeah.
Christa Innis: Do you wanna walk down the aisle like with me or like. You do you like, this is
Payal Desai: really, I, I’m okay to share the day.
God.
Christa Innis: Oh yeah. So funny. I know. I feel like everyone needs, like if they’re a, like if you’re listening and you’re a people pleaser and you’re a bride, you’d need a bridesmaid or maid of honor that’s gonna like really like. So you like your boundaries or your husband or partner hold you to your boundaries and like, speak on behalf of you if you have a heart.
Yeah. Speaking up. Because you’ll be so much happier if you set your boundaries and, and yeah. Stick with it.
Payal Desai: Yeah. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Gosh. Okay. Sorry. It’s, this was almost over. I know. We, like, we’re chatting a lot. I love it. Um, okay. As the night went on, my boyfriend played our our family song and everyone was having a great time.
Out of the corner of my eye, I saw someone shove my grandfather. Okay, what’s going on here? After that, all hell broke. Loose fights erupted all over the hall, tables broke,
Payal Desai: and there was blood everywhere. What? That’s awful. Wait. That escalated so fast. I’m like, what happened? Like, so I feel like there is like a piece of this story missing where there was some like conflict or tension that is not being shared because there’s no way that.
It went from like kicking somebody out of the wedding and then like everyone’s angry at each other. Two sides, like of the family are not interacting, engaging. Dancing together, celebrating, and then all of a sudden it’s like a, a bloodbath. What? Yes. No, I’m like
Christa Innis: picturing it like, um, like Romeo and Juliet right now, or like the two sides are like battling.
Payal Desai: Um, well, and it started off very innocent. Like, hey, like they, they like chose the wedding party, we’re all in it, we’re excited, and then boom, like.
Christa Innis: I don’t know what the heck. This is insane. It says the bride’s mom got into my face for no reason. Mind you, I was only 18 at the time. She went to shove me, but I was pulled away.
Why are people just shoving people here? Like, what is happening? Someone threw my mom to the floor and broke my boyfriend’s custom built speakers, like, oh, no. Someone threw your mom to the floor, pushed your grandfather, like this is the most violent story I’ve ever read. Yeah,
Payal Desai: that’s awful though. Like think about that couple, you know,
Christa Innis: they can never get their families together until they have like a full family therapy session or something.
Yeah,
Payal Desai: that’s terrible. And you imagine it probably causes a conflict between them two. Because one thing that I will say is like. When you get married to someone like you, you, you come from very different places, right? Like you’re raised by different parents, and so there’s always going to be like. At least a little bit of conflict, right?
But like you are more willing to forgive and understand your family’s behaviors and they are as well. Like it’s, this is just human nature. And so if there is a big family conflict, like it’s hard to maintain like what you have with your partner, but then also not be a pushover for your own family. Like it’s a, you just, yes.
It’s delicate balance, that’s
Christa Innis: all. Oh, for sure. ’cause if he was like, oh, like Uncle Bob, you don’t know his humor. He just, he just made a little joke, you know? He’s like, oh, he’s, he’s just so crass, like whatever, like, you know. Yeah. It’s like, oh, but Aunt Mary’s the nicest woman ever. Like, you don’t know her stuff.
Right. You know? And like
Payal Desai: you don’t really know these things intimately about your spouse’s family, so you’re not as forgiving. I don’t know. Oh my
Christa Innis: God. That’s crazy. Okay, wait, there’s a little bit more. Um, it says the sheriff’s and police depar or state police arrived. It turned out, um, the bride’s parents had told my cousin and his new wife to leave, uh, leave the reception before e everything escalated.
So they had no idea what was going on. Why would they tell them to leave their reception? That’s weird. They didn’t stay married very long after that. She had been cheating on him the whole time. Oh wait, maybe that’s part of
Payal Desai: it. Maybe someone found out, maybe, maybe somebody knew and that would explain it a little bit.
But if I feel like there’s definitely something,
Christa Innis: yeah, and it’s like, but if she had been cheating, why is her family acting like he did something wrong or his whole family? That is, that is insane. Oh my gosh. All right. Well that is a, that’s probably one of the craziest stories I’ve ever read. I, I’m always like shocked and not shocked at the same time because I’m like, yeah.
Stories I get are so crazy. But that, that’s a whole new level. Um, yeah. That, that makes, that’s one for the books. Um, yeah. Okay. I know we’re getting. Well, we’re kind of a little over time, so if you have a little few more minutes, we’ll finish up this last little Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thing and then we’ll, uh, be on our way.
Hot Confessions and Opinions
Christa Innis: Okay. So this last one is reading, um, follower confessions. Okay. So you have to do with. Um, weddings or events that people sent me. Okay. This person said, asking people, um, this sounds like more of a, an a pop, a popular opinion. Asking people to be in a wedding should be done privately and not at a family dinner.
Payal Desai: I don’t, Hmm. It’s not that serious. You’re not proposing Okay. You’re just asking them to be in the wedding. I, I do love like the, uh. Kind of like fun reveals like girls will like put boxes together and like then have their friends over and they’ll open them and it’s sort of like a. I don’t know. Cute moment.
Yeah. I like a, I like a theme so that I always see those on socials and I’m like, that’s cute. But I don’t know. I don’t know if that would offend me where it happens.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I don’t think I would care. I mean, yeah, if you’re like with like a group of people and there’s some people you’re not gonna ask that are there, maybe That’s right.
Um, but yeah, if it’s a family and you’re like, everyone’s here and I’m gonna ask my sister-in-law, like, why not? Yeah. Um. This confession says, I hated wedding planning, so I told my mom the colors and vibe and let her her have at it. Hey, more power to you.
Payal Desai: Totally a personal choice. Like I if as long as you don’t have regrets, and as long as, honestly, as long as your partner’s cool with it, like if you both are just like, do it and do it your way.
Not for me. I, I can’t like hand off all of that for a day like my wedding, but. Okay.
Christa Innis: Yeah. I guess, yeah, that’s like knowing yourself and being like, you know what I
Payal Desai: do okay. But I do wonder if that’s sort of like a precursor to how you will be about decisions for the rest of your life. Because I do think that like sometimes if you are somebody who involves your parents in every decision, then like all of a sudden like they’re going to like.
They’ll shop with you and like they’re going to e everything. They’re like so, like intimately involved in and like, some of those decisions, like make it with your spouse. Like you don’t have to include your parents in everything. Yes. Yeah. Sort of uh, like a pet peeve for me. Like I think that some people take it too far.
I totally agree. You gotta cut the tie a little bit at some point. Like there’s a little too much dependency.
Christa Innis: Uh, yeah, no, definitely. ’cause I know, I know people that have like. Had like disagreements as couples, and then they’ll call the mom. Yes. This is very
Payal Desai: unhealthy. Like that’s,
Christa Innis: we need to figure this out together.
Or the therapist not bringing in because that’s like, you know, like they’re gonna obviously have their bias towards like their son or daughter and Right. That’s gonna make things very
Payal Desai: weird. Yeah. So you really shouldn’t be privy to whatever, um, disagreement that they’re having because you will, you will have bias.
Like, come on. Of course. Like, uh, I’m all like, I made jokes about how like my sisters could tell me like the worst thing that they, they’ve done, and I’d be like, that’s okay. You had your reasons. Like, we have each other’s back. Like, sorry. Yeah. So no, totally.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Oh my gosh. Um, all right. This last one says, I feel guilt and sadness talking about our very small wedding because we couldn’t afford a big one.
Ooh. Aw. I mean, I, the, all right. Here’s the, the positive thing I will say about that is that you knew what you could afford. You didn’t go into it going bankrupt. ’cause think of how many people go and credit debt. Mm-hmm. Because they’re like, they want to show off this big wedding. But you can always do a big party later.
You could do a five year anniversary. 10 year anniversary. Yeah. Yeah. And, and just do something special or a family vacation and, um. And just remember like the, the moments you did have together, because I, I know it’s so easy Yeah. To prepare yourself and like look online, but that’s the marriage is what’s the important thing.
Payal Desai: I don’t know. I always go back to this, like, the wedding doesn’t make the marriage. You could have the most like, enormous, beautiful wedding. And if the, the marriage doesn’t, that doesn’t mean that the marriage is perfect. Mm-hmm. So like, yeah, I think that, I mean.
Christa Innis: Kim Kardashian had like a multi, what is it?
Million Dollar Wedding, and was married for like a few months to whatever that guy’s name was.
Payal Desai: Chris, well who was it? Chris something? Humphreys? No. Yeah. And then like even like with yeah, Humphreys and then even her like stuff with Kanye, like the engagement was really out of this world and the wedding was as well.
And
Christa Innis: exactly. That’s no of the wedding or
Payal Desai: the
Christa Innis: marriage.
Payal Desai: Yeah, and I know the grass is greener on the other side kind of thing. Like it’s easy for us to maybe say that when she’s mourning the fact that she didn’t have like a beautiful wedding, or I wouldn’t say beautiful, but like ornate, huge, expensive. But again, like down the line, you can honor the celebration in a different way.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think there’s definitely, definitely opportunity there. Alright, well awesome. Well thank you so much for coming. I loved our conversation and how deep we got. I feel like I could talk to you forever about all this stuff. That’s why I feel like mm-hmm. Your content, like I said, I think I’ve been following you for years now, before I even was doing all this stuff.
So when I thought about people to have on, I was like, I gotta reach out because this was so fun.
Payal Desai: Yeah. And I never really. Made the connection, I guess. Like not in this way, right? Like when you first asked me to be on, I was like, oh, I like why me? Or like, what are we gonna talk about? But then the more I thought about it, I was like, the content that I do actually it is like, I think about the boys’ future and their relationships.
Not even just romantic, but relationships with everybody. Right? So it does connect. Yeah.
Christa Innis: Absolutely. Yeah. It like weirdly all like, ‘ cause even when I started doing like wedding stuff and I was like, it’s such like a narrow mm-hmm. Thing or niche thing. But it really just relates to so many different relationships and communication boundaries.
Like I. There’s so much we can discuss on here. It’s, it’s crazy. Yeah.
Payal Desai: And it, like the issues too, or the challenges that people face are extremely cross-cultural. that’s something that I’ve learned from my content as well, is that it resonates amongst many different cultures and even age ranges.
So everybody sort of has some kind of tie to it and then has a way to, weigh in and, like, comment.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So for anyone listening, can you tell everyone where they can find your content and anything else interesting or exciting you’re working on?
Payal Desai: Yeah, absolutely. So Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube.
the handle is Payal for style and I’m working on some things that, will be offered off, um, socials. And so, some like courses that I’m gonna be putting together and like an audio course, things like that for anyone interested in raising their children without traditional gender norms.
Christa Innis: I love that.
Well, awesome. It was so nice officially meeting you, and I’m so glad you came on. I had so much fun. And, we’ll be in touch soon. Yeah, absolutely. All right, thanks.
My Book Is Here! Q&A, Chapter Sneak Peek, & Wild Storytime
This week, Christa Innis takes the mic solo to share the exciting launch of her debut novel, Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story. Based on her most viral wedding story skits, this book dives into the emotional aftermath of a proposal gone wrong, messy in-law dynamics, and the kind of drama that’s almost too wild to be fiction.
You’ll hear how the characters evolved, why the story had to be written, and the real-life inspiration behind Ferris and Sloan’s world.
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Episode Chapter Markers
00:00 Introduction
00:31 Review of the Week
01:01 Book Launch Announcement
04:12 Exclusive Book Segment Reading
07:44 Q&A Session
19:34 Wedding Submission Story
Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Book Launch Reveal – Christa announces her new book, Here Comes the Drama: A Ferris and Sloan Story, inspired by her most viral wedding skits.
- From Skit to Storyline – Discover how a single viral story about an unhinged proposal turned into a full-blown character-driven novel.
- Behind the Scenes of Writing – Christa shares the emotional process of turning chaos into creativity and how deeply she connected with her characters.
- The Evolution of Sloan – Meet Sloan, the bride at the center of it all—strong, unsure, flawed, and relatable.
- Themes of Family & Betrayal – The novel tackles complex dynamics like mothers-in-law, family pressure, and losing trust in the people closest to you.
- From Drama to Redemption – It’s not just about the drama—it’s about growth, resilience, and writing your own ending.
- The Power of Storytelling – Christa reflects on why we’re so drawn to wedding chaos and how storytelling can be a cathartic outlet.
- What’s Next for Ferris and Sloan – Teases of future chapters, evolving character arcs, and the potential for more stories in the Here Comes the Drama universe.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “Some stories don’t leave your head—so you write them into something that can live outside of it.” – Christa Innis
- “What if your big day became someone else’s engagement story? That was the spark that started it all.” – Christa Innis
- “We don’t just love drama—we want to understand the people behind it.” – Christa Innis
- “I didn’t want a perfect protagonist. I wanted Sloan to feel real—like she could be your best friend or your past self.” – Christa Innis
- “This is for the people who love wedding chaos but also crave closure.” – Christa Innis
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Blog Transcript:
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Christa Innis: Hey guys. Thanks for joining me on today’s episode of Here Comes The Drama. I wanted to start this episode by just thanking you guys for listening, for downloading, subscribing, and sharing with your friends. As of today where I’m recording, it’s April 15th and we have already over 50,000 downloads. I honestly can’t comprehend it.
To give you a little behind the scenes, my goal For the year was 25,000 downloads we just hit 50,000. So from the bottom of my heart, thank you guys so much. Your love and support just means so much to me. So I wanna start this episode by reading off a review of the week. This comes from MJ Groin oh five.
they say, I have been following Christa through YouTube and Facebook for a long time. I’m absolutely obsessed with the skits that she does, and. Absolutely am loving the podcast. So thank you so much for your kind review. If you guys have a review and are loving the podcast, feel free to leave a review yourself.
It means the world to me and helps more people see and hear about the podcast. Okay, jumping into today’s episode, it is a solo one and we’re gonna do things a little bit different today because today is a very special day. I have officially launched my brand new book. Here comes the drama of Ferris and Sloan story.
If you follow me on social media, you’ve probably heard all about it or you see me talking about it doing little teasers and reveals here and there. I. So today’s the official day where if you’re on my email list, you received part one for free sent to you. don’t worry if you’re not on my email list right now, you can sign up today and still get access to that first part.
and then we’ll be releasing part by part every single week. That will go right to your inbox. if you wanna do it that way. you could also pre-order the book as of today, so. It’ll be probably another month or so before the actual book comes out. But then you’ll be on that list and you’ll be one of the first ones to get it.
So to do things a little bit different today, I want to talk about Ferris and Sloan. This is what we’re gonna do. Talk a little bit more about the book. read a exclusive segment from the book. And that you’re not gonna hear anywhere else. And then answer some top questions that I’m seeing on social media that people have sent me about it.
And then of course, what would an episode be without me reading a story submission from one of you guys at the very end. So don’t worry that’s not going anywhere. first things first, just a little more about the book. so I took this. Series, this skit that I started on social media and I turned it into a full novel.
Now, originally it was going to be a novella, but I ended up adding so many details and different characters and development that it ends up being a full novel. So it’s a six part 30 chapter book, and so there’s a lot of fun in there. I always like to tell people that even if you watched the full skit front and back multiple times.
You’re still gonna get something unique and different out of this book. There are so many things that I can’t show as a one person actor. I don’t know what you would call myself skit maker. so this just allows me to develop the characters even more, share more, background behind the scenes and, just a lot that I, again, couldn’t share otherwise.
So there’s different ways to get it. Like I talked about previously, if you’re already on my email list, you can get part one sent for free. And then, every week from Until you get ’em all, I guess. we’ll email the link to the following parts and, you’ll be able to purchase the following parts.
Then you can also pre-order today, and get the full book sent to you, whether it’s digital, so through your Kindle or however you look at digital books. and then you can also get a printed version, which I cannot wait to have that one in my book. Because of course I cannot wait to have that one in my possession and share with you guys because I’m obsessed with how the cover looks.
my good friends over at Oak and Air designed that for me. And originally when we set it all up, she was like, okay with this package, you know, like you can do three design edits and we’ll give you three kind of visions to look at whatever. She sent me the first one and I was like, I don’t even wanna see any other, like edits. This looks absolutely amazing. So she just nailed it, like hit the ball of the park. I think I said that phrase wrong, but whatever, you know what I mean? okay. That’s from someone that doesn’t do sports. so that’s like the basics of what, the book is basically. Let me read a short segment from the book that you’ll not get anywhere else.
Sneak Peek from Here Comes The Drama Novel!
And as I’m reading this, this is before my proofreader and copy editor have read it, so things might still be changed in the actual one, but I’m just gonna go ahead and read the first page for you guys.
Kate couldn’t believe her ears. She picked up her glass of wine, threw back what was left, then stood up and stormed outta the living room with a loud huff. Her daughter Jenny watched her leave in pure confusion, then glanced at everyone else before quickly jumping off the couch to follow her. Mom, are you okay?
She yells. After her hurrying closer, she notices a drop of red wine has stained her mom’s white blouse. Ugh. I just know she’s doing this to get my son away from me. Kate charges into the next room. She looks unsteady, like she’s about to burst. What are you talking about, Jenny? Quickly, interjects Sloan isn’t taking anyone away from you.
Her eyes drift toward the window where the snow had just started At first it was light and quiet, barely noticeable. Now it’s beginning to fall in thick clumps, sticking to the glass, like something trying to get in. Kate pushes up her round brown glasses as a bead of sweat drips from her forehead.
Did you not just hear them? They come waltzing in here on Thanksgiving to tell us they’re not gonna be here on Christmas. Her voice trembles with a mix of hurt and disbelief for a moment, she’s questioning if she’s overreacting, but the thought vanishes as quickly as it came. Her stance is firm now.
There’s no going back. Jenny looks at her mother dumbfounded. She takes a deep breath to save herself from calling out her mother’s ridiculousness right here, right now. Yeah, they planned a vacation together. I think that’s perfectly acceptable. She runs a hand through her Long Dirty blonde hair, exhaling sharply.
You can’t tell them to not go on a vacation together. The snow is falling harder now. Piling on the window sill in soft, heavy heaps like the weight of everything left unsaid in the room. But on Christmas, there’s 364 other days of the year. Why do they have to pick Christmas? Kate’s voice is getting louder and louder each time she talks and there’s clear panic like she’s been robbed.
My guess is because they wanted to spend the holidays together. Jenny sarcastically replies, this isn’t some weird thing from a boyfriend to do with his girlfriend. Kate rolls her eyes before putting her head down in her hands and mumbles. You just watch Jenny. This is how it all starts. Then soon, they’re not just gonna show up for certain events.
She looks up and stares off as if she just had an epiphany with her own words. Mom, you should be happy that Ferris found someone he loves and wants to spend his time with. Jenny says resting her hand on her mom’s back. Now can we go back out there, put on a happy face, and enjoy the rest of Thanksgiving?
She raises both pointer fingers to the corners of her mouth, exaggerating a smile like she’s drawing one on. After a long pause, Kate pulls a tissue out of her pocket dabs her face. Although Jenny didn’t notice any tears at that moment. Fine. She stands up tall, touching her short brown hair and forces a painful, wide smile.
How’s this? Okay, so that’s a little segment. Like I said, that has not been. Edited yet that has not been sent to the copy editor or the proofreader. So when you get yours today, or if you, join the email list today and you get it, you’re gonna notice some tweaks. cause as I was reading that, I noticed I described her hair differently.
So we changed some different things around. but yeah, I hope that got you guys like a little excited for it. I still can’t believe it’s gonna be a book. Before I get to today’s like main story, I just wanna answer a couple of, top questions that you guys have sent me, about the story and then we’ll get into it.
Book Q&A Session
First things first, especially as I was reading that, because so many people have asked, is this going to be an audio book? And. By now, you guys might have seen the announcement, but in case you didn’t, yes, this will be an audio book. I’m gonna be slowly sharing some different dates and timelines as I, as I have them.
But, the first thing to say is I am not the voice of the actor in the audio book, and I know so many of you guys had requested that, but as you guys can see or hear. I’m not a voice actor and that honestly puts a lot of stress on me to be able to read a full script and everything. it’s just a lot.
And so the company that I’m working with, chanter Media is just so great. They are allowing me to be a part of the full process. listen to the actors, pick one that I think really emulates the character as well, and just be a part of everything. So they’re not taking it from me. I’m right there with them, and making it.
What it should be. Right. so yes, I’m very excited for that. Again, I’m gonna share more dates for that when I have it available. Okay. Into the q and a. What inspired you to create Ferris and Sloan? Okay, so. As you guys know, if you’ve been followingmy page, I just share, wedding stories, skits, and drama.
And through doing that, you know, people leave questions, they leave comments, they submit their stories. So it just kind of gets my brain going. I’ve always been a writer at heart. I always like creating. I would say right now about half and half are stories I just come up with, and half are stories that are submitted to me.
Typically the mini skits are ones that people send to me because I only have so much information. And then even those though, I change like a bunch because I’m like, I never want someone to see it and like know it’s like about them. Of course, when it came time for Ferris and Sloan, I still remember the day, which is kind of crazy to think about.
I was putting my daughter down for bed at night and just the line popped into my head about someone taking her son away. And I visualize myself walking in, you know, I film in my bathroom, so walking in the bathroom and just like being mad about something. cause as someone that works in social media, I also like think of like grabbing someone’s attention.
Like what’s gonna really pull someone in, right? so you want that antagonist or that person to come in right away. So I thought of that line right away. I did not know at that part that it was going to be what it is today. I literally thought it would be just a mini skit. I had some ideas. I didn’t have the character names.
I have to go back, but I don’t even think I had any of the character names picked out. Maybe a few of them. Yeah, I think I had a few picked out. but yeah,thought it was just gonna be like a mini skit and then it was really well received. People wanted more and I just kind of ran with it. going.
Into that. People have also asked like, where did the names come from? How did you come up with these? So obviously Ferris and Sloan are popular characters in another story called Ferris Bueller’s Day Off. I, however, wanna be very clear that when I started creating more skits, I would get very confused, and a lot of times I would call characters the wrong names because I would just randomly think of names, right?
And so like. Since I’m just doing them myself, I would be like, Hey Sally. And then they’d be like in the comments, he’d be like, I thought her name was Susan. And I was like, oh shoot. I totally messed it up. So to help me when I was creating these skits, I started just thinking of a random movie, random TV show, so I could remember like, okay, the mom is so and so, the dad is so and so, the sister so and so.
It just helped me when I was like putting skit together. So that day, just Ferris Bueller’s day off just popped into my head. Now as the story has developed, I’ve obviously gotten rid of those like last names. And as, as it became a book, I completely changed it because I didn’t want any confusion.
Obviously it’s a completely different storyline. and so I wanted to make these characters unique. Sloan is spelled differently. All the supporting cast members, their names have changed completely. Their last names changed. Details have changed, to make it really their own story because people keep comparing it and I’m like, no, no, no, this is different.
it’s completely different location everything. So I. That’s where it came from. That was just the lucky thing that popped in my head. I grew up watching it all the time, so like I’m familiar with it. but yeah, it’s a different story. okay. The next question is, does this story cover all three seasons of Ferris and Sloan?
No. So book one, here comes the drama, a Ferris and Sloan story only covers, season one. So, I don’t wanna spoil it if you haven’t watched all the skits. So someone asking about something very specific that happened in season two, and asked if I would cover it and I said, no, it’s only gonna cover anything in season one.
That all being said, it’s going to be an extension of that because, like I mentioned earlier, there’s only so much I can act out by myself, so there’s gonna be a lot more detail, a lot more dialogue. some things that went one way in the book are gonna go a different way.
or one way in the skit are gonna go a different way in the book just to kinda keep you on your toes. Some things are gonna be a little bit different, some things are gonna be a little toned down, some are gonna be a little extra. cause I wanted to keep it very, surprising still because it’s very unique in the fact that.
People have seen the story, right. So a lot of times when you’re reading a book, it’s your first time. So I still want it to feel like the first time for people, but also a little familiar because it’s like comforting to have familiar people. Right. Okay. Number three, was Kate always meant to be that toxic or did her character evolve as you wrote more?
yeah, so obviously she started off very toxic in the beginning. I. knew she was gonna be kind of like that toxic mother-in-law that a lot of these stories share, but I did have some kind of arc of where she’s like resolved in the skit. but people were like, I don’t know, I don’t really buy, I don’t believe it.
And so then I ended up adding like more like drama to her. So she did evolve and she evolved in different ways. I can’t give, I don’t wanna give too much away with the book. She evolves. She evolves. She was not necessarily meant to be that toxic. but I just kept kind of adding some stuff on and giving more details to it in different ways.
Okay. Number four. What’s something we would be surprised to learn in the book? Ooh. Okay. I don’t wanna give away what it is, but we go really in, depth to one of the characters. background. So something that we didn’t know about this person, and I never talked about it in the skit. It was something through my own writing of the story that I kind of discovered
about this person. yeah. And so we kind of revealed that about her, and I think it adds a little bit to the story and a little bit more to the dynamic of this person’s relationship. That’s all I’ll say. Okay. five. Did you have the ending planned from the beginning? No. so like I said, it’s a little bit backwards where I did the skip first and I’m writing the book right.
So, Answering about the skit? No, I kind of just figured it out as I went I didn’t even know it was gonna be 16 parts, and then it kind of just started tying itself up as a bow and I was like, okay, I think this is how I want it to end. When it came time for writing the book, I took similar, ending, but then kind of rewrote it in a new way.
so I did not, see that happening. okay. Number six, what part made you laugh the most while writing or filming? Ooh, gosh. And this won’t spoil anything if you’ve seen the skit, but, actually it’s a little bit different and it’s different in the book, but I would just say just. Hate just being so chaotic.
Like, I would write things and be like, this is so ridiculous. But it made me laugh, picturing it in my head, like her, at the, bridal shower. I don’t wanna get into specifics of what I wrote in the book, but I’m just cracking up about like. How she arrives and how it kind of happens because in the skit, I can’t show like costume, I can’t show how she styled herself, but I got into specifics of like what she’s wearing, how she presented herself, and the things she said that was like I ideal Kate right there.
okay. Number seven, did any real life stories from fans inspire scenes from the book? So yes and no. There wasn’t like one story that I was like, oh, I’m gonna take this and make it into a book. No, but as you watch the skit, as you read the book, you’re like, this is familiar. Or like, I’ve heard something similar to it.
We’re always inspired by things we see. but like I said, it wasn’t like. I took a story and just did it. like for example, I’ve talked about this before, but like the whole cal thing when They say they’re not gonna come as their best man because his daughter’s or his girlfriend’s daughter’s not invited.
There’s been very similar stories where I’ve read where like, the best man drops out because his, child’s not invited. but of course I mixed it up a little bit because, it’s his girlfriend and she’s kind of crazy. And, all this stuff that, you know, just kind of.
Made up. So there’s some, of course there’s inspiration. I think it’s funny when people say like, oh no, it’s a hundred percent original. I think we’re inspired by things every day. but this was one story where I remember those lines. I remember like creating it, know, myself. number eight, will there be more Ferris and Sloan stories?
this is kind of a TBD, but I would definitely like to hope so. I would like to hope so. I would like to think so. as you guys saw, maybe saw on my social media, I am now paired with a literary agent. I work with Rose, cliff literary, and we’ve got some things coming. and I also have some ideas down the line.
I don’t think I can say too much yet, but think miniseries, as of books, and then Other ways. There’s so much we can expand on with their story and I would love to do even more. So there isn’t anything for sure right now, but I’m thinking, my wheels are always turning. okay, I’ve got two more guys.
What is something you want readers to take away from this story? I think this is, Key in all of my skits and all the things I share is that boundaries are important boundaries do not make you a bad person. And it’s okay to say no okay to learn from things and say, you know what?
Don’t wanna be talked to that way anymore. I wanna say no to this person. I don’t like the way I feel around this person. And it’s okay. It does not make you rude when we are raised as people pleasers, or somehow something influences us to be a people pleaser, we are constantly feeling guilty for saying no.
I always count myself over, What’s it called? Recovering people pleaser, because I’m doing so much better than I was like in my early twenties. I was such a people pleaser, like bend over backwards for everyone no matter what. And I’ve really found to love myself more through saying no. Which sounds so funny to say out loud.
’cause I’m just like, wait, you say no to more people and you feel you love yourself. Because I think if we say yes to everybody, we’re saying no to ourselves all the time. Right. It’s that famous quote. So just boundaries are important. I think we also need to listen to other people’s boundaries, right?
It’s not just about, you know, setting our own boundaries, but respecting others. so I think we can all learn from all the characters in different ways. like we see Jenny’s such a people pleaser, you know, she wants to make everyone, She’s kinda a comedic relief, right? But she’s also like trying to make everyone get along.
she’s pulled into her mom’s drama. She’s pulled into, backing Sloan up, right? and so I think it’s really important to just see ourselves in all the characters and kind of learn from all of them. Number 10 is this fan fiction. I kind of already hit. Talked about this when I talked about the names and stuff, someone said, is this fan fiction?
Because it looks like it’s like Ferris Buer. No, it’s a completely different story. the only similarities you will see is that their names are Ferris and Sloan. They’re completely different people storylines. and if this ever gets made into, a film or a TV show or something, you’ll be able to see that they’re gonna be different people.
Their setup is different, their relationships are different. it’s a complete different story. So no, it’s not fan fiction. Okay, guys, if you guys have any other questions when it comes to this story, you can submit them on my, platform here. You can submit it on social media.
Comment on a video, email me. and I’m gonna keep, you know, doing more lives and, videos talking about the book because I’m just, I’m very excited for it. as you guys know or maybe have seen, writing a book has been something that I’ve always dreamed about and I’ve always put it as like a goal for myself and I just.
Year after year, after year, I’d be like, um, write a book. Write a book. And so it’s just really been amazing to share this with you guys and be able to, do this. So I’m more than happy to share more. All right guys. and now like I said, what would this episode be if I didn’t read a wedding submission story?
So here we go. We’re gonna end with this little story here. It says, where do I even start? I asked my fiance’s cousin Alyssa names have been changed to be a bridesmaid in our wedding. She’s dating his best friend, so we actually set them up and she was part of our engagement.
Tinder Dates, Rooming Disasters, and Secret Drama
We also have been close friends for over five years. I thought having her stand by our sides would be a beautiful way to bridge both families, but some things happened along the way. Oh, no. At the bachelorette party, she argued with one of my other guests spent an entire evening fighting with her sister.
Oh, no. After sending out our save the dates eight months prior and formal invitations three months before, both of which clearly stated no children, she sided with a family member who claimed they quote unquote, already bought tickets for themselves and their kids. Oh my gosh. Okay. So one of my first viral skits ever on social media was about something like this.
And people were so split in the comments. I would say majority agreed with the bride. But that’s crazy. ’cause this was like a very similar scenario. when we eventually agreed to allow the kids to come. Okay. So she allowed them, it turned out they didn’t actually have tickets. Oh. No. So they lied.
Mm-hmm. That’s so funny. ’cause in that skit, I said like, we don’t know if she’s actually telling the truth or she just wants people to come in. ’cause I’ve, seen it happen before at many weddings where they just say that as a way to convince the bride. I actually just read one not long ago where that happened.
Alyssa then told me the whole thing was my fault because I didn’t personally call every family member with kids to explain our child free policy. No, you don’t need to call everybody that It’s a child free policy if it’s on the invitation and the save the date or the website. It’s implied as well as when you do, your invitations or your address on the invitation, all it needs to say is the exact names.
So if you’re not inviting and family, you’re not putting and family, if everyone in the family is invited, put all their names or say, and family. If you’re just inviting the couple, just put the couple’s names or Mr. And Mrs. Last name, Mr. And Mr. Last name. You know, whatever that looks like. Just don’t put and family right.
So you don’t need to call every family member and say that. She also implied that I was intentionally excluding her favorite cousin, which made it feel very personal. Okay, number three, while discussing Airbnb rooming options, I floated some ideas, but nothing was set in stone. She then ran to one of the groomsmen and told them he’d be stuck rooming with the loudest snore.
This caused a fight between us and him, even though no arrangements had been finalized. So she’s just stirring the pot. Like she just wants to start some drama it sounds like, but also like why would then it start a fight if like he didn’t actually hear it from you? When we confronted her, she snapped.
I’m your bridesmaid. It’s my responsibility to share information. No, it’s not. Then she proceeded to share all of our private planning details with our entire friend group. Gosh, I’m wondering if there was any red flags about this girl before inviting her to be a bridesmaid. My guess is no, because why would you bri invite somebody to be a bridesmaid that’s acting that way?
Number four. Every time I asked for help, and I’m not just saying number four myself, she like listed it all out. I think because there’s just so many random things that happened. every time I asked for help, she wouldn’t answer her phone The night before the wedding, instead of being helpful, she was busy schmoozing and playing host.
Despite having had no hand in any of the planning, I ended up missing most of my rehearsal dinner because I was still behind on decorating. Okay. This is where I’m gonna play devil’s advocate. It’s not your bridesmaid’s fault that decorating took a little too long and you missed your rehearsal dinner.
If you’re rehearsal like you are the bride, I would say they can’t start the rehearsal dinner until you’re there, or we’re cutting decorating early. There’s no way I would be missing my rehearsal dinner. And it’s not your bridesmaid’s fault. Sorry. I know. I’m sorry. I’m gonna play devil’s advocate. Okay.
A Wedding Week Tantrum: The Tinder Date Standoff
Last little section here. Meanwhile, my father-in-law and brother-in-law caused a major fight. Two days before the wedding, the brother-in-law wanted to bring a Tinder date to the wedding because he didn’t wanna be alone. That is so funny. Oh my gosh. So I did that viral skit about someone when you bring a Tinder date, and that was when I wrote myself, I didn’t even see this.
And it was just about that and how bad it was. It was the girl bringing a Tinder date though. When my fiance told him no, he freaked out yelling, how could you do this to me? People were commenting on that video and they were like, there’s no way someone would wanna bring a Tinder date. Apparently they do.
How could you do this to me? Then he ran to title to their dad, who also blew up, telling my fiance, your brother will remember this for the rest of his life. It’s not that serious. You wanna bring a Tinder date so someone, presumably you just met to your brother’s wedding, like you have all your family there.
Just, oh my gosh, this about our wedding. Mind you the same brother. Okay, here we go. More details. Had recently broken up with his girlfriend and when I asked him weeks before if she’d still be coming, he said no, he’d be coming alone. There we go. So he is trying to, make them feel bad, but he’s the one that said, I’m becoming alone.
He wants like a revenge girlfriend. This is so funny because it’s almost the exact opposite of what I did for the skit. Like I had a bridesmaid bring a Tinder date. She had just broken up with her boyfriend, so she wanted like a revenge date. okay. She ends with, then suddenly during the wedding week, he threw a tantrum about it.
That sounds like his problem. Oh my gosh. I read these stories and I feel so lucky I do not have this drama at my wedding. I have to like reiterate that guys, because so many people still comment like. Oh my gosh. Did you start these skits because of drama with your family or your husband’s family? And I was like, no, our families were drama free.
I get along with my in-laws very well. I get along with my parents very well. There was no drama. It was just how it was meant to be. I don’t mean that to be like, oh, yay, but like, we just knew what we wanted. I can’t believe how people act sometimes. I think it’s also like. My husband and I, Zach, like we have been a part of so many people’s weddings over the years.
Like we are one of the later ones to get married, and we’ve been together a long time, and so it’s like we had been a part of so many weddings and been there for so many people that I think it was just like. Everyone just like knew it was like our time. I don’t know, but I cannot believe hearing that.
All right guys, well that is the story for this week. thanks for hanging out with me again. If you have not subscribed to my newsletter list to get part one free for a Ferris and Sloan, please do that now. You’ll get it in your inbox right away. And then of course, pre-order my brand new book. Here comes the drama of Ferris and Stone Story.
Thank you for all of the love and support and I cannot wait to hear what you guys think. As soon as you guys get the book and read it, I would love to hear what you guys think. Make sure to tag me, share it on social media. send me an email, whatever that looks like. I am just so, so eager and excited.
Thanks guys, and I’ll see ya next time. Bye.
Wedding Chaos & Bridesmaid Demands with Bethy Abdissa
Weddings are supposed to be joyous, but what happens when family traditions take over?
Bethy Abdissa, a wedding planner with experience across cultural traditions, joins Christa to dive deep into the unexpected pressures couples face. From toxic bridesmaids to demanding in-laws, she’s seen it all. Bethy shares jaw-dropping stories of brides forced to appease their families by having weddings that don’t reflect who they are. She also explores the bold decision of cutting out guests who bring negativity rather than joy. Plus, should you really have a bridal party at all?
If you’ve ever questioned wedding traditions or struggled with family expectations, this episode is packed with insights and real talk. Don’t miss it—hit play now!
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Episode Chapter Markers
00:00 Introduction
08:45 Cultural Wedding Pressures & Family Expectations
17:49 The Bridesmaid Dilemma: Drama vs. Support
26:19 When Family Demands Take Over Your Wedding
35:39 Uninviting Guests: When It’s Justified
44:19 The Dark Side of Wedding Planning
53:49 Lessons from the Wedding Industry
Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments
- Bethy shares how many couples end up planning weddings that reflect their family’s wishes rather than their own.
- The hidden drama behind bridal parties and why some brides are choosing to skip them altogether.
- When it’s okay to uninvite a family member from your wedding.
- The unexpected stress of planning pre-wedding celebrations.
- Stories of overbearing in-laws trying to control everything.
- How to balance tradition, expectations, and your own happiness.
- Bethy reveals the biggest misconceptions about planning a wedding.
- The importance of setting boundaries and making your big day about YOU.
Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode
- “People think a wedding is about the couple, but so often, it’s about everyone else.” – Christa Innis
- “Just because someone is family doesn’t mean they deserve a wedding invite.” – Christa Innis
- “Bridesmaids should be your biggest support system, not your biggest stressor.” – Christa Innis
- “If your wedding is making you miserable, it’s time to rethink things.” – Christa Innis
- “It’s YOUR day—why are you planning it for everyone else?” – Christa Innis
About Bethy
Bethy Abdissa is a dynamic wedding planner, content creator, and entrepreneur with a passion for storytelling and cultural inclusivity. Originally from Ethiopia, she moved to the United States 15 years ago and began her professional journey in finance and accounting. After realizing the corporate world wasn’t her calling, Bethy took a bold leap in 2022 to pursue her true passion: event planning.
With over three years of experience as a wedding planner and a lifelong love for party planning, Bethy now specializes in coordinating weddings across the U.S., particularly in the DC, Maryland, Virginia, and Minneapolis areas. She’s also diving into the world of content creation—sharing makeup tips, hair styling, wedding insights, and self-development reflections through her TikTok channel, @Bethy_Creates. Long term, Bethy is working toward becoming a therapist, bringing her full-circle journey of creativity, empathy, and purpose to life.
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Christa Innis: Hi, Bethy. Thank you so much for coming on.
Bethy Abdissa: Oh, thank you so much, Christa. I was so excited to be on your show. You’ve done such an amazing job and I was so excited when I got your invitation. Thank you so much for having me.
Christa Innis: Oh, thank you. No, I was, I was just saying before we started, like, I was like randomly on TikTok one day scrolling and I was like, is that Bethy? Because like everyone that’s listening, like we worked together years ago, we just discovered it was like eight years ago now that we worked together and it was one of those where like We got along so well when we worked together, but then we kind of just like went different directions and then it was a very I will say it toxic work environment We probably weren’t very happy there. I know I wasn’t so it’s so happy to be like reconnected and Hear that you work in the wedding space, which was so cool I was like what so before I yabbed too much yap too much Can you just introduce yourself and like what you do and then we’ll kind of go from there
Bethy Abdissa: Yeah, thank you so much Christa again. Um, life is just full of like circles and you, you just don’t know where you end up. Um, my name is Bethlehem Abdissa, but people call me Bethy. I was born and raised in Ethiopia. I came here to the United States about 15 years ago. Just a summary of who I am. Um, I was in finance. Um, and I was interning and, uh, Chris and I were working in the same company when I was an intern when I was going to grad school.
Uh, so I thought I was going to end up, uh, on Wall Street, you know, making money. Um, and ending up, uh, I ended up in corporate America for a while and I was like, this ain’t for me. Um, and I just was like, I can’t do it anymore. And people, I’ve done people’s weddings just for fun. Uh, because, um, I have a bubbly personality and people kind of like are drawn to that and they wanted me to do their weddings. So I was like, you know what? Why not, um, take this a little bit more seriously? Uh, so in 2022, I started a wedding business and one of my friends was really good at that as well. So she’s done corporate events and we, uh, linked up together and I live in Minnesota. Um, used to live in the DMV area at the DC, Maryland, Virginia. So, uh, we both linked up and decided to start our own business, uh, women owned business. And so now it’s. It’s our third year being in a business and we’ve been doing a lot of weddings, exciting, exciting weddings. Um, and I, I fumbled, uh, on your, uh, what’s it called? TikTok randomly as well. And I saw that you were party planning and all the skits you were doing.
I was like, are people around the world the same, like from different cultures, different, like it’s the same stories. And I was drawn to it. And, um, So happy to see you very success, successful in your, uh, channel and just like reaching out to, to a lot of audience, to people, uh, sharing their stories. It’s such a beautiful space and you’re very talented. Um, not just, you know, to in your horn, you’re very talented to be able to play all those parts. It takes a lot of, um, taking in that space and I appreciate, um, all you’ve done so far. So. To just summarize, that’s who I am. But yeah, and I do a lot of things. I do a lot of makeup stuff. So if you go to my channel, a lot of the stuff is like all over the place, but yeah, I’m a creative person.
Christa Innis: Yeah, I’ve just say like, when you said bubbly personality, like you have, you do, you like, you like brighten up any room and I’m so happy to see that you like found your passion like what you enjoy doing because like it’s so true when you are in the wrong position or the wrong career, it can like Suck out your soul, you know, and so it’s so exciting seeing like your content and seeing all the things you’re doing because it’s just like brought out like your brightness even more.
Bethy Abdissa: So appreciate that. Thank you so much.
Christa Innis: Yeah, it’s so awesome to reconnect. And so we were kind of talking before we came on about like crazy wedding stories or hot takes. I mean, you see a lot of firsthand. Like what? I mean, you said like All over the world, you know, different cultures. What do you kind of What’s like your first hand experience when it comes to weddings? Do any like crazy stories off the right off the bat comes to mind? Um, that you’ve kind of experienced that you’ve kind of had to help with as a wedding planner.
Culture Clashes and Wedding Planner Dilemmas
Bethy Abdissa: Wow, even though I told you like a few stories where it’s the normal like, you know, mother in law kind of type of relationships. I am like going back and thinking about the first few weddings I’ve done and Um, it was a very sophisticated wedding because of the cultural, um, aspects of the wedding. Um, so there were, there were things that were cultural that needed to happen in the morning. There’s an afternoon. It was a very long day, 16 hours. Okay. To be exact. Um, so, um, we were trying to get everything done because first of all, we wanted our reputation to really like, you know, be the fact that like, we’re serious about keeping time. And that we wanted to change the cultural expectations because a lot of East African, or I would say even African weddings in general that I’ve experienced as a guest before, are known to be late. Like if you say seven o’clock, it really means nine. You know, you don’t go there till nine. So a lot of our work was like educating people. Hey, we need to start on time. And I remember we were very vigilant about making sure we were the first, you know, Ethiopian, uh, wedding planners that did that. And so the first wedding we did, I remember we were so on time that the groom was like, it’s rude to be on time. And I was like, I’m sorry, and we’re like trying to get things done and move, move simple like that the parts along and he’s like, we can’t really be on time like it’s rude. And that really like, like, I didn’t know how to go from there because the whole reason that we were hired was to, that’s literally what you already planned. Yeah, time and we organize everything. So I was like, you know what? I’m just going to let it be after this. Cause I was like, I don’t want it to seem like it’s my wedding and I care.
So I’m like. I’m just going to let it go and, um, instances like that and just managing different families expectation while because there’s, um, less respect for the, for the, for the career, for the profession in most African women. Um, like environments, you’re, you have to fight to kind of be like, hey, you need to do this this way and somebody is going to insult you. I’ve, I’ve gotten so many insults. I’ve gotten so many glares. So many, uh, yeah, so it’s, it’s a lot of like first the educational aspect of it was high. But there’s one wedding in particular where a few days before the wedding, the bride calls me and I’m parking by my door, trying to get inside. But you know, when you started the business, you were very accessible over the phone.
And so I was very accessible and you would call me random times and I’m telling you random times, sometimes 10 o’clock, 11 o’clock. Uh, yeah, that’s, that’s on me because I didn’t know how to set boundaries, to be honest, but, um, she calls me, she’s like, his family’s coming in from, uh, from out of town. And I’ve planned to clean the house today, but he wants to host a party. And I was like, okay, what’s the problem? And she’s like, well, I want, I want the house cleaned and I don’t want anybody to, to do parties together. Okay. And she’s like, I don’t know if this is a right decision for me. I was like, oh my god. Marry him? Yeah, because Because of that? Yeah, because I think it kind of brought in the, the, the expectations of family and the compromise.
She probably never thought that would happen because they live in different states. Uh, and maybe that really like opened up her eyes to really like. Oh my God, I might actually need to, I might actually need to be with this family forever. I don’t know if that’s the case. And the thing is like, I know I have a way with people, but like. I don’t know if I should be giving you therapy advice at this moment, but I was like, you know what? I just got to do what I got to do. And cause it’s a few days away and I have to have a wedding. Hey, you know, in a relationship there’s compromise. Maybe you can schedule it in a way where you’re using plastic plates instead of actual, I’m not kidding you. I’m going through the details of how she can still Let him have his party with his family, uh, while still being able to clean the house and prepare the house for the event. So I, I gave her a schedule, you still have two days, let him have the party tomorrow and then you can clean on Friday. I’m not joking.
Christa Innis: I hope you were charging overtime.
Bethy Abdissa: No, that’s the thing. How do you even do that? Like It’s almost like the, the access is so high after you get hired, like that’s something I’m trying to incorporate now because I’m trying to draw boundaries, but it’s almost like they feel like you’re their person and you’re that person that they come to. And I have, I’m still yet to discover what that looks like, but majority of my job is like therapy. And that’s what I’ll tell you. Like it’s therapy, uh, saying, Hey, in a marriage. Um, you know, this happens and I just got divorced like maybe eight months before after that happened. So for me to give marriage advice was weird, but I was like, you know what, I’m just going to have to do it.
Christa Innis: You’re like, we gotta do what we gotta
Bethy Abdissa: do. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So those are some of the stories.
Christa Innis: Yeah. Well, that’s the thing with like cell phones, too. It’s like this day and age, like people can access you at any point. So like, we also feel like, oh, they can call me or they can text me. So I have to respond. And I think it’s like a constant thing of being like, okay, just because I have a phone and I can be accessed doesn’t mean I should allow access at all points. And that’s a good like conversation about boundaries. Um, like the job that We worked together. That’s I think what kind of did me in with teaching me about boundaries, especially with come when it comes to work, because that said Boss, it would be like a Sunday afternoon, I’d be with my family and I’d get a text and it wouldn’t be just like, hope you’re having a good weekend.
Of course not. It’d be like, why didn’t you do this? You need to do this, and it would. My heart would be pounding so that I would have such anxiety on the weekends. I’d be like, oh my gosh I’d be on vacation. I get texts from him and all this crazy stuff and I was just like yes Yes, yes, because you know like growing up. I was a people pleaser. Yes girl So I would say yes to everything and then you kind of realize like if I’m saying yes to everyone like I’m like that famous Quote like I’m saying no to myself But it’s hard, like, especially in, you know, a profession of wedding planner, you want them to trust you, you want them to look at you as that point of contact, so like, how do you be accessible, but not too accessible to where you’re like, it’s take eating into your own person.
Bethy Abdissa: Yeah, exactly. And I think that’s like, still something I’m navigating, but I think it’s more so. Um, I do this like assessment of the person before now when we’re chatting and figuring out if we are a match because I’ve understood that like not all money is good money like Like I had a I had a bride. I I kid you not Um, she would, uh, WhatsApp message me at midnight and the thing is, like, I, I have ADHD, so if I don’t respond right away, I probably won’t respond until three, four days.
Like, that’s just the type of person I am. So I, I would respond and I would say, and then in the end I had to draw a boundary. Like I was like, Hey. You can only contact me. You can only access me during these hours. Um, after that, it will have to wait another 24 hours and it really is uncomfortable, but to have these conversations had has made me like a better wedding planner, a better, even business person, because now I get to choose the person I work with. Not every business that comes to me is worth having, you know?
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah. I think it’s like with, um. Kind of how you get interviewed by your client at the same time you’re like you guys are like interviewing each other to make sure you’re the right match like because yeah, it’s like you don’t want to just say yes to anybody. You want to make sure it’s a good fit like you’re going to fit all their needs and you’re going to they’re going to work well with you know your schedule or how you do things as well. Um, for sure. Um, yeah, I feel like that’s like one of those things where it’s like you want to like help and you want to do a good job. So you’re like, we’re used to just being like, okay, I’ll say yes. But then it’s like, I feel like like what you said when we set boundaries and this goes for like all conversations. A lot of the stories that we talk about when you set boundaries, you’re not it. Saying no to everybody and being the mean person, you’re actually just protecting your peace a little bit, and you’re allowing yourself to approach situations more peacefully and happily, I feel like, in my experience, because then you’re not just like drudged by like, oh, this person nonstop contacts me, you’re like, oh, I’m excited to like work with this person, or I’m excited because, you know, I work with them on this point, you know, and it’s It’s protecting your peace.
Bethy Abdissa: Yeah. And sometimes you have to actually spell it out because like, for instance, our day of coordinator package says 30 days out of 30 days before your wedding, um, we will, you’ll have access to us. Basically. We start the coordinating where you hand us off the hard work you’ve done. It’s like you’re, you know, stress free months. And I have to spell it out and say. You know, this does not mean that, you know, those 30 days I become, you know, you a hundred percent. And I stress, I probably will have another wedding that I’m working on. So it’s like, I just have to spell it out and say, this means that you can contact me during business hours from this time to this time, because first it was just like any time, you know, they would call me, can we set a meeting?
Can we, can we meet now? Can we meet now? And there is just like. No consideration for like this person. It has a business or has a life or even like is attending to other brides and grooms Like there’s no it’s like, you know straight like the only yeah, there’s nothing they see but themselves So it’s like I have to spell it out. I we do other weddings as well you’re not the only way like I hate doing that, but it’s also like Take some responsibility for yourself, but also be in a position where when I show up I show up a hundred percent And like when I am setting up a meeting for two hours, those two hours is yours and nothing else, uh, rather than me giving you scrapes or leftovers.
When the Groom’s Sister DEMANDED to Be a Bridesmaid
Christa Innis: Yes. Yeah, I absolutely, I love that. I think that’s a great point. So let’s kind of talk about some wedding hot takes. Um, and I get some that are like, that are sent to me from time to time. Um, but it’s just, I just kind of want to get your opinion on these. Um, okay. Should couples be expected to write personal vows or traditional ones just fine?
Bethy Abdissa: I think traditional ones are just fine. For me, it’s more simplicity. Like, if they want to do their personal vows, some personal vows need to be kept. Personal. I, I, like it’s too much to, it’s almost like you’re pouring out your heart to the entire, um, congregation, whoever is in the wedding, where you could just keep it for your video. Maybe do like what I suggest couples do is they have, if they have a videographer, great. Have that, you know, be part of your, um, video where they can, you can read it to each other. without having it, you know, all guts out on ceremony. I have been loving more and more 10 to 15 minutes ceremonies because it’s, it gets to the point, the person that marries them, I would.
Say it’s someone who knows them. That’s also you can tell by the wedding Like if they just picked a random person versus a person who knows both of them or has spent time To get to know the couple before the wedding I’ve had couples that got Officiants over from the not and I can tell Like, you don’t have to say anything because it’s just so, like, dry. There’s no, like, humor or even, like, knowing the couples into it, so there’s no creativity. It can be 10 15 minutes of just, like, these are the couple, we love your love. You know, get together and then do the traditional vows, rings and everything. So I, I lean towards more traditional vows, um, but still have personal vows maybe to yourself or yeah,
Christa Innis: I’m to tell you, yeah, we got ours on the nut and she was so great. Yeah. I think we got really lucky because they’re not all great. I entered, we interviewed a few. And we were supposed to have my uncle do it because he, like, married all the cousins in the family. But last minute he wasn’t able to do it. And so we found ours on the net and she was marvelous. Like, but we met with her a lot to, like, customize everything. I think we met with her probably two or three times. And she, like, She, we each wrote our own vows, but then she looked them over and made sure they kind of like matched up because you don’t want someone that’s like, you know, has like this super long one. Then someone else has like two sentences. So she like matched them and like worked with each of us to kind of like get them aligned. But I think we got lucky. We even had friends that were at our wedding end up using her because they like loved her.
Bethy Abdissa: Oh, that’s amazing.
Christa Innis: But yeah, we definitely, for our first pick was someone that we knew, but
Bethy Abdissa: yeah,
Christa Innis: um, so we’d be like, we rather would have someone that has experience if we couldn’t get someone that we knew.
Bethy Abdissa: I agree. And I think just the personal vows are, I don’t know, maybe it’s, I don’t think it’s the right time or space for, for that kind of vulnerability. I guess maybe I’m just, maybe I’m just a bit weird on that, but. You know, I’m the type of person that says, what makes you happy? What does, you know, what really makes you happy? How can we make it work? Um, I, but personal reference preference would be that we do like, um, traditional vows and then, cause most people are actually like, I don’t know if you were already married, but most people are already married or they’re just doing celebrations though, at least the ones I’ve done, um, and then, and then they’re just doing it to just, you know, for the, for the, for the day.
Christa Innis: Right. No, I totally agree. So what is your opinion on uninviting guests for different reasons, like let’s say your budget changes or something happens with a guest that you were going to have come? Do you agree with uninviting people?
Bethy Abdissa: Um, before, if you asked me this before, and I mean before I started this business, because I was married before, right? Um, I would say no, I, I’m a people pleaser, like there’s no way, there’s no way I would not invite all 700 of my, my parents, friends, like, you know, even though my wedding was like 300 people and it was during COVID. So, like, um, if it wasn’t like, now that I am thinking of. Possibly getting married to someone again.
I am only inviting people that I know, that I know, that I know, that I know, that I know. Right? Not just like, know. Are gonna be in our lives. Like, or are gonna be somehow in our future. And I am not shaky about, you know, their perceptions towards me or my relationship or anything like that. I’m very harsh on cutting off people now. So, I would uninvite people if I feel a certain way. I would cut off even bridesmaids, groomsmen, you know.
Christa Innis: There’s no telling.
Lessons in Wedding Tantrums: When Adults Act Like Toddlers
Bethy Abdissa: Yeah, the thing is like, I think, um, I don’t want to keep pleasing or, if it takes away from the bride’s or the groom’s happiness, just to please somebody. You’re spending money on it. They’re eating your food. They’re sitting on the chair you paid for. Um, I, I hope to God those are the people that you want to see. And you want to, like, I don’t want my mood to change if I’m seeing somebody, you know, and my face is just going to change because they’re there. Like, I want to 100 percent protect the presence that I’m in.
Um, so, I, I would say uninvite anybody that doesn’t, actually I have a, I have a good example. I had a bride last year. Uh, where, um, a month before her wedding, her Uh, what’s it called? A maid of honor was acting weird. She was acting weird and she told me and she, she said, Hey, hey, Bethy, my, you know, maid of honor is acting weird. She’s doing this. She’s doing that. She’s doing this. And I normally, I’m not going to give you advice. I don’t, I don’t give out solicited advice at all because I, I’m very careful. I don’t want them to come back and be like, you told me. So I don’t give a son solicited advice. I said, Oh, okay, just, you know, keep an eye out for her.
Make sure your happiness comes first, um, and you know, just protect your peace. Um, and then a week or two after that, um, she, I think something else happened that aggravated the situation between her and her maid of honor. And this is a person she’s known like 20, 30 years. So yeah, it’s a long, long time, uh, but she cut her off. She wasn’t, she wasn’t a part of the bride, the bridal party anymore. And she had one less person on her side, even though her groom had. Um, one more person.
Christa Innis: Wow. So things just felt weird or like there were specific things that she did that were like questionable?
Bethy Abdissa: Very shady. Very shady behavior. Just wasn’t supportive. Uh, her happiness wasn’t making her happy. Maybe some people internalize it. Um, they weren’t, if they’re not married and somebody else is married all the time. I see it all the time, especially bridesmaids. They’re so weird. So I, every time a bride, when I do my consultation and she says, I don’t have bridesmaids, I’m like, good for you. Because not necessarily because that’s always the case, but especially if you have more than three or four. There’s gonna be one bad apple. Like, there’s just gonna be one weird person that’s gonna maybe try to control things or is feeling insecure. Some sort of drama. So, like, less drama for me, less work for me. So, I always say, if you have bridesmaids, make sure they’re the people. Like I said, it goes both ways, right? Not just guests, but like, your vital party needs to be 100 percent on your side.
Christa Innis: Yeah, yeah, I’ve done I’ve been in lots of weddings and I would say I would say usually like the bachelorette party I feel like brings up a lot of drama or like planning stuff. There’s usually a few I’ve definitely seen the drama Luckily, I haven’t been in a wedding where like on the wedding day. There’s drama that I can think of Maybe I blocked something out. I don’t know. But like, it’s a lot. It’s a lot with a lot of girls and I feel like there’s a lot of pressure to have people in the wedding that you wouldn’t necessarily, like, a lot of the stories that get sent to me is like parents were like, you have to have your sister in the wedding when they’re not close or you have to have your childhood friend that they grew up with and they’re like, I’m not really close with them anymore. So they feel this like pressure to like appease their parents and have someone in that doesn’t really like fit in the mix or It’s not like a good person, maybe, and that kind of causes some awkwardness.
Bethy Abdissa: Especially coming from a, for me, our background, a lot of the Ethiopian, Eritrean, these kinds of weddings are. Religious by nature, reli. There’s some sort of religiousness aspect aspect to it, but maybe the bride and groom are not that religious. Mm-hmm . And so they would have a wedding that really says nothing about them, just because they wanna appease, like their family, their grandparents, they don’t wanna, um, disappoint anybody. So you can see that happening because they, it is just part of the culture. So I’m like. But then they would have a separate party, like, by themselves, um, so it’s just more money for, you know, people you don’t, you probably won’t even see again. You, you probably don’t even know their names. Yeah. But that’s just usually the case.
Christa Innis: I’ve definitely heard of that happening with, uh, with some, a couple people I’ve heard of like having like a separate wedding because they wanted the one that would appease their parents and then they had a separate one. Um, yeah. In case they’re listening, I don’t want to say who it is, but I’m just kidding.
But yeah, it definitely happens. Um, okay. I want to jump into this week’s blind wedding submission. So this is our blind reaction, I should say. So these are wedding submissions that people send me. Um, I’ve not read it yet. Um, I just kind of grabbed them from the document and so we’ll kind of see what happens, feel free to stop me at any time and react, or I’ll kind of just like pause here and there. Here we go. Let’s see what we got. Okay. My husband and I had been together for eight years when we got engaged. We were childhood sweethearts getting together at 17 and 18. So no one was surprised when we announced it. Everyone knew it was coming and was so excited for us. We couldn’t wait to start planning. We set our wedding date for three years later to save money and avoid conflicts with other family and friends weddings that we already knew about. Everything was going great until it came time to ask the bridal party. Here we go. We’re just like, we knew, I swear I did not know this was about. Hey. I predicted it.
Bethy Abdissa: Come on. Tell me.
Christa Innis: That is so funny. Oh my gosh. You’re like, I warned you guys. I warned you. I told you. For context, I already knew my husband’s younger sister, Emily, before I even knew him. Names have been changed. Um, we were in the same class in high school, had mutual friends, and were friendly. However, when I had started dating her brother, she was furious. She made us feel like the worst people in the world, even screaming at us in public, just because we held hands while walking together. Ooh, okay. Um, another bit of context, we’re Irish, and bridal parties here are typically much smaller than in the U. S. Most couples have two or three bridesmaids and the same number of groomsmen.
Um, sometimes only one of each. The bride and groom also cover all expenses for the bridal party, including attire, shoes, hair, makeup, and a thank you gift. So it’s common to choose people you’re closest to. For my bridesmaids, I wanted my best friend of 15 years to be my maid of honor. My cousin, who’s just 20 days younger than me and has been my best friend my whole life, um, and my college best friend, whom I was a bridesmaid with for the year before, or who I was a bridesmaid for the year before. To give more context, my maid of honor lives in the UK, my cousin lives in Japan, and my college based friend, college best friend, is 40 minutes away. I’m getting into specifics here. This could be anybody, though, guys. Um, I was so excited to ask them. I made personalized cards with pictures of us through the years, wrote heartfelt messages and included a team bride sash.
I mailed the two cards overseas and plan to give the third in person since it was my only chance to experience that moment. One evening, we were discussing wedding plans with my husband’s family, something we often did, as both families have been supportive up until this point. I mentioned we were visiting my college friend to ask her to be in the wedding party, and my husband was asking her husband to be a groomsman. That’s when everything went south. Oh my gosh. It literally is like we predicted this story. That was so weird. I told you. Go ahead. I’m excited. I know. Emily completely lost it. She started yelling, insisting it was unfair that she wasn’t included, that because she was his sister and had gone to school with me.
She also claimed it was wrong to not have any family in my bridal party. For reference, my husband wasn’t asking my brother either, because in Ireland it’s not expected unless you’re extremely close. She threw a full tantrum, stomping her feet like a child, shouting at us, and demanding to be a bridesmaid. Could you imagine demanding to be someone’s bridesmaid? Like, my thing is, like, if they don’t ask me, like, That’s fine. Like, they have a different vision. Like, I’m not going to demand, because at that point, it’d be so weird then to be in the wedding, because you’re just there because you demanded.
Bethy Abdissa: You’re not wanted. Like, you’re, it’s almost like you broke into somebody’s house and you’re eating food. Like, it’s, it’s weird. Like, why would you even like be excited? But, uh, we already knew this was going to go left anyway. I’m excited how, how this ends. Yes.
Christa Innis: There was so much entitlement, and she said some truly nasty things.
We explained our choices, and I pointed out that if I asked her, I would also have to ask My husband’s two other sisters. Wait, he didn’t even mention that he has two other sisters. That’d be three more people. And we simply couldn’t afford a six person bridal party. His mom tried to calm things, things down, but we ended up leaving. I felt awful, like I was being made out to be a terrible person. So they don’t even mention the fact that he has three sisters and this sister’s demanding that she’s in it. It’s like, It’s not like all the other two sisters were in there and you were excluded, like, no sisters were in there.
Bethy Abdissa: I think she’s, obviously, there’s way more, my, my psychology antenna is flying off the radar right now, because it feels like she’s always been jealous or wants to outshine the brother, or, you know, some, I’ll tell you, I’ve seen this multiple times, some sisters have weird attachments to their brother, like, I don’t know, maybe. Kind of almost like they feel like a lot of these types of things happen, especially from my background I’ve seen it like even when I was young they would have weird attachments to their brother as if like their brother is Like their own husband like and I’m not saying something like this is not I’m John I’m not trying to throw out anything that’s weird but if they have some sort of weird attachment when an outside person comes in and takes or You know, has his attention, maybe they were already very too close to a point where it’s not normal that now his attention is like deviated towards this woman.
And now instead of having self awareness and saying, Hey, like my brother has his own life and now I have to figure out my own life. What they tend to do is like exert that like neediness and very codependency on, on the woman because she’s the outside, she’s the enemy. Right. So I’ve seen things like this all the time, and they would, they would act weird. The outbursts, these things are just like, almost like a, like, um, how do I say, it’s the outside depiction of what’s actually going on in the inside. She’s just not well. Like, she’s not okay.
Christa Innis: Yeah, that, like, reminds me of a story. I did a skit on it, actually, and it’s one of, a really popular one, and they were twins. It was a boy and girl twin set, and when he was getting married, they decided they weren’t, I think they were gonna each have one, I did it so long ago, they were each gonna have one or something in the wedding, and the twin sister was like, well, I’m walking him down the aisle, and they’re like, well, no, we’re not gonna have him walk down the aisle.
She’s like, well, I’m his best man, and she, like, tried so hard, like, up until, like, she found out, um, What dress the the maid of honor was wearing and bought the same one It was this crazy thing and she like would not let it go And this was a story someone sent to me like I don’t even know probably over a year almost two years ago now And that was the first I’d like heard something like that in there and the bride sent it and she was like she was so protective over her brother Saying like she needed this part in the wedding because she was his twin sister And she was just as important as the maid of honor and as the bride and it was like she could not comprehend that she was not the bride marrying her brother like
Bethy Abdissa: yeah no it’s so funny you said that because it’s also like they they have this like Um, they, they feel like they’re owed something because she probably introduced them, right? Or I was there like when this happened, um, I’m sure if she has her own boyfriend, her own husband, she would not even like be that obsessed. But there is like almost like a jealousy of like, I was there when it happened, but it didn’t happen for me. Now I’m watching you like kind of grow and move on into this relationship while I am being. You know, yeah, because I’m she’s she feels like she’s being abandoned.
Christa Innis: Yeah, it’s like the toxic mother in law but instead sister in law where they’re kind of like don’t leave me like I I deserve this as much as you do so like bring me along for the ride kind of thing.
Bethy Abdissa: Yeah, like, make me a bridesmaid is not because I love you so much, uh, the bride, it’s not like, Oh, I want to stand next to you and you’re married, like, it’s not coming from like, I want to support you. It’s like, somehow, some way my presence is going to be known and I’m not leaving whatever union you guys are building now. I’m going to be there.
Christa Innis: Right? Like, even like
Bethy Abdissa: going forward, if they had a child together, that person is going to be problematic.
Christa Innis: Yes. I, I always think about that too. I’m like, thank God I have amazing in laws. I get along with my sister in laws and all that because I hear these stories and I’m like, people like that are like, I’m moving in next door. Do you have a spare bedroom? I’m moving, you know, like they don’t understand the boundaries of like, no, this is a new family. He’s starting like, let’s have a break there.
Bethy Abdissa: No, I’ll be honest like even my brother and I were very close like super close one year and nine months apart And when when he introduced me to his wife I knew well before she became his wife, right? I knew she was gonna be his wife like something in me told me It’s not like anybody else that he’s introduced me before I didn’t care about them But this one I when I met her my heart told me she was gonna be his wife.
Christa Innis: Yeah,
Bethy Abdissa: I had like a moment of like Damn, like, we’re not gonna, I’m not gonna have that access like I used to before. It lasted two months, that feeling, though, right? Like, it’s like, I was like, oh my gosh, but then now, like, I think I love her more than I love him, right? Like, I, generally, I tell him that, too. Like, if, if they’re, like, even chit chatting and I see them, I’m always on her side. I’m always giving him a hard time. But, like, I understood that, like, Yes, it feels weird to, you know, let go of somebody who is like, he’s my younger brother. So it’s like who you are attached to your whole life. I understand that because I felt it, but there’s also like this, he’s building his own life. And I’m going to support him in any way I can and for me, it was letting him go, letting him make those decisions, um, and living his own life.
Christa Innis: Yeah. And now you have a new sister, which is like, Oh my
Bethy Abdissa: God, like she’s the best, like I would trade him for her. Like, that’s how I feel. I love that.
Christa Innis: Well, yeah, it’s like people like that. Don’t like realize people in the stories. I don’t realize is you’re just gonna make it harder for everyone to have a relationship with you because you’re not gonna make it. The brother’s not gonna want to hang out with you if you don’t like his wife or you make a stickler about everything. And then it just makes everything more uncomfortable. But if you guys If you supported him and got along, then they would want to invite you to more things, and they’d want you to be around, and you and the wife would have a good relationship, and it’s just like, it’s hard they don’t see it like that.
Bethy Abdissa: She would probably have made her her bridesmaid. I mean, that’s seven years they’ve dated, right? Like, if she wasn’t weird, in seven years, you could have built a beautiful bond with the sister, where, with the new wife, right? Where you could actually be a bridesmaid, not actually Intrude into a relationship, but she could have invited you in and because you would have probably been close to her And I think like your feelings are meant to be felt.
That’s what I say all the time Like your feelings whatever feeling you have if you feel abandoned if you feel like you’re left out Whatever your feelings are meant to be felt but your actions Your feelings shouldn’t dictate your actions, like I feel abandoned, therefore I’m going to throw a fuss and make everybody miserable. No, I feel abandoned, therefore this is my responsibility to take my own, uh, feelings into control and understand that people move on.
Christa Innis: Mm hmm. Okay, you said earlier that as a wedding planner, you feel like a therapist. I feel like you’re a therapist. That was such good advice. I’m like, I need therapy time with Bethy.
Bethy Abdissa: I, I’m telling you, like, the more I spend with people, time with people, and I understand, like, how they’re thinking, how they’re talking, like, some skills are just coming into, I don’t know, maybe I need to go to therapy school and just, you know, have some sort of certification for people, but truly, I, I enjoy. Um, I, I understand feelings, like I’m not dismissing the fact that, but her outer reactions are just saying, I’m needy and I need people’s attention.
Christa Innis: Mm hmm. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Okay, let’s see what we got here next. Um, so she made her feel like she’s a terrible person because of the tension. We decided to hold off on officially asking my third bridesmaid. I didn’t want to make things worse by having someone post about on social media. That’s very considerate, which might further upset Emily. Three days later, after feeling nothing but anxiety and frustration, my mother in law called and asked us to come over to talk things through. We agree. and went that evening.
Once again, I explained that the bride and groom cover all the bridal bridal party expenses. So it’s important to choose people you love and feel comfortable around. I had already decided I wouldn’t cave to Emily’s demands, especially after how disrespectful she had been. Not just about this, but from the very beginning of our relationship, I understood that she was upset, but that was no excuse for being rude and hurtful. I stood my ground even when she yelled at me. I told her that her behavior was only making me more certain of my decision. Good for her. Um, I got upset and snapped a little, but I was exhausted from the emotional toll of it all. My husband, thankfully, was fully on my side. He backed me up, um, stood up for me when his sister was being nasty and didn’t let her steamroll the situation.
Big credit to him. It’s never easy to stand up to family. We left. I felt horrible, like I had done something wrong. In the end, because I hate conflict and wanted to avoid more drama, I never asked my college best friend to be my bridesmaid. I just had to. It’s my one regret from my wedding, even almost two years later. That makes me so sad because she was really firm. I love that she was firm and was like, I’m not giving in to the sister. But then to never ask the third person because she was like, this is what blew up the whole situation. That’s what, I feel so sad for her.
Bethy Abdissa: That is, that is very sad because, um, maybe the best friend is understanding. Like I’m hoping she is, but at the same time, I would say like weddings and like when, when you’re doing weddings or you’re going through a hard time, like a funeral or some devastating things, those are the times where you see people’s true colors. Like. Like, genuinely you will see people who are truly happy for you, who are not happy for you, people who would, you know, be there for you and, and vice versa.
And so, I don’t know, for me, like, when there are weddings. My, uh, like, uh, ex friends, now they’re ex friends because their wedding situation, what happened during their wedding, how they were, they were treating me as a, as a person, that really cemented our relationship, like, I don’t know if she’s, the best friend is able, able to move forward from that, even though I can understand the Brights decision because she’s going into this family and this family is probably going to be with her forever. Um, and that’s the idea. Like you’re building, she was looking forward and made a decision based on that. Um, but I think the harder thing to do would have been drawing that boundary and maybe cutting that sister off. That would have been the hardest thing to do. Um, then really like. At the expense of a probable friendship that she lost or I don’t know, there’s manliness or you know, there’s, there’s probably some, some difference.
Christa Innis: Yeah, it sounds to me too like in the beginning that I think she said, so she’s in Ireland so it’s like very common to have only one or two sometimes so it sounds like maybe she was already kind of like not stretching it but like with three was like. Her number. So hopefully the college best friend just never like thought of anything of it because it’s like normal, but what does suck is that that seemed like the friend that was like closest to her, like, like location wise closest to her, and she seemed most excited because she’s gonna be able to experience like asking her and her being like, yes, you know, um, So it’s like, happy on one side, she had that boundary, but then it’s like, uh, but yeah, I’m curious, like, you know, like we were saying, it’s like, it’s only gonna get worse with someone like that, because I doubt someone like that’s gonna like, learn their lesson, like, I mean, it’s good that she didn’t cave, but still, like, she’s gonna demand to be a part of certain things, or try to, if they have kids, or if they, you know, buy a house, or whatever that looks like for them, it’s like, who knows how she’s gonna, uh,
Bethy Abdissa: I, um, one thing you mentioned that I wanted to preface is like, um, the bride covering the cost for the bridesmaids is actually also in, not in America, not the weddings in America, but the weddings back home in Ethiopia and Eritrea. You as a bride and groom, you’re going to ask people to be your bridesmaids and groomsmen. You cover all their costs. So that’s something also in our culture that is normal back home. Um, and then when you come here, you’re like, ah, people don’t want to, people are like, you know, we’re in America. Now you got to do it the American way and take care of your expenses, take care of your stuff. So. You can understand why she wanted to pick that, um, I think moving forward if their boundaries is not gonna be stronger than what it was, like, even the comfort that this person has to even voice themselves like that is what scares me, right? There’s some sort of, maybe even the way that person grew up, this sister, right? The way she grew up, they’ve allowed so many things unchecked. For her to feel comfortable enough to say this to, like, an outsider, her brother’s wife. Yeah. Must have felt so comfortable saying it. She must have felt like she always gets her own way.
Christa Innis: Got her way. Mm hmm.
Bethy Abdissa: So it’s learned behavior. It’s not just something she just brought up like a one moment, right? So it’s like the family has been letting this go far enough where it got to this point. But I hope the husband, and I would want to always say this, I always say, even when I talk to my brother, even when I talk to any like grooms, I always say, if you do not draw the line, if you do not say, you know, this is the new family you’re protecting, and this is the new family you’re building, and your family, your mom, your dad, your sister, whatever, do not see that message sent, there’s always going to be an overstep.
There’s always going to be, she’s gonna have a child and the sister is gonna tell her. Oh, you shouldn’t, shouldn’t you be feeding it this way? Shouldn’t you be doing it this way? As the diapers, da da da, like the snarky comments, the, the just like an unhealthy environment where you can Both just grow together and make mistakes together and raise that child. It will always be, there’s a nagging voice outside and that part is gonna be hard. Maybe they need a, a year or two apart from this person, and I’m serious about that. Like when it comes to boundaries, I’ve gotten really strict because of all the mistakes and, uh, things I did in my past in my personal life that I’m like, you need to really like cement that into people’s minds for you to have a peaceful life.
Christa Innis: Yeah, and it’s, I feel like it’s so refreshing once you do set a boundary and you realize, hey, I’m not mean for saying no to something, like, I was just protecting blah, blah, blah. Like, even if it’s something as simple as, like, I’m not going to respond to a text after 8pm at night. I’m just not gonna do it. You know, something like that. You’re like, oh, that felt kind of good. Like, I wasn’t at just someone’s back end call. Even if it wasn’t like a very harmless text or just friendly text, you’re just like, no, I’m giving, you know, space. You kind of realize, like, okay, I’m not being mean. Like, we’re told this, like, narrative that, like, if we’re, if we say no to someone, we’re mean. And I don’t know where that comes from. If it’s a people pleaser thing or if we’re taught as, like, young girls. I don’t know what that is, but, yeah. I totally agree. Everything you’re saying, I’m like, Oh, this is so like therapeutic. Oh, good.
Bethy Abdissa: The way I frame boundaries is like when I set boundaries with people or I set boundaries with my clients, I always say like, this is as much as it is for me as it is for you. And then you’ll be confused and say, what? This feels like you’re shutting me out, right? Like this feels like you’re drawing a line to keep me away from that line. But it’s also like you’re, I’m setting expectations that I can fulfill. It’s basically saying, like, this is what I can do. Therefore, the things that I can’t do, you figure it out on your own.
Because now I’m not enabling you anymore. Yeah. I’m not just doing the things and saying yes to every call. Now you have to maybe figure out your emotions by yourself. Now maybe you need to throw that tantrum by yourself in an empty room instead of calling me. Maybe you’ll take a breather before you take an action or take responsibility for the things that you need to do. And it doesn’t feel like good at the moment, right? When I’m setting that line, it doesn’t feel good. But most of the times I will get Like, now I, people are like, oh my god, I, I’m so proud of you for saying no to me. And I even tell it to my friends, I’m like, please say no to me. If you need to take time, instead of, you know, picking up my phone call and having a conversation, say no to me, because I will be happy that you’re spending that time taking care of yourself. That’s the type of people you want in your life where they appreciate that you, you saying no doesn’t mean rejection. It just means that they’re taking care of more things that are priority at that moment.
Christa Innis: Yes, absolutely. Yeah. And in regards to like these kind of stories where someone is constantly overstepping and showing no respect, you need to put like that firm, firm boundary and you might need to be, be a little mean back and be like, this is our boundary. We’re taking time away until you can kind of figure it out. So my whole Is that this couple was able to do that, and maybe the sister, fingers crossed, learned from it? Fingers crossed.
Bethy Abdissa: Uh, has, uh, some self awareness or, I don’t know, a shot, I don’t know, something to calm her down. Yes. So she is focused on her own life and figure out why maybe internally, you know, it’s some for some people it’s actually jealousy, you know, it’s, you just don’t know where these feelings come from. Like, it’s very weird, they show up as something else but internally they’re coming from like maybe she’s, she’s probably not fulfilled in her own life.
Christa Innis: Yeah.
Bethy Abdissa: Um, and they project that feeling. So I hope she finds the healing that she needs, but I hope Emily, was it Emily, the bride’s name? Um, Emily was
Christa Innis: the sister.
Bethy Abdissa: Oh, Emily is problematic. Okay. Yeah. The, the bride and groom find their peace and yeah.
The Brother Who Never Showed Up
Christa Innis: Yeah. Yeah, me too. Okay, before we end here, I do, um, I like to end on confessions. So on Instagram, people send me some different Instagrams every Instagram. They sent me their confessions every week. So I’m just going to read these and we’ll just kind of react to them. First one says my brother didn’t show up to my wedding. He was giving me away. It hurts. That breaks my heart. That’s terrible. Because I’ve heard of like, no shows when it comes to like, guests or something. Which, that sucks too. But like, when it’s your own brother, we’re just talking about this. Like, and you ask them to be a big part of the wedding.
Bethy Abdissa: Ay, that’s, that sucks. I don’t, I don’t even know what to say. Like, that would, that would might, oh my god, that might really ruin my day. Like, I can’t even imagine what that would feel like.
Christa Innis: Yeah. That’s horrible. I’m really sorry. Hopefully I don’t even know how you would like fix that because you can’t give that take that
Bethy Abdissa: back Yeah,
A Fling or a Double Life? She Had a Secret 4-Year Relationship!
Christa Innis: hopefully he had a darn good excuse.
I don’t know Next one. My friend ended her eight year relationship After getting wait, my friend ended her eight year relationship after getting pregnant with her four year old long fling partner. Huh? Huh? So she was in a relationship, but then she had a four year fling during that? I’m
Bethy Abdissa: a four year. There’s no fling that’s four years. That’s a whole, that’s a, that’s a three year old baby right there. If you took like, you know what I’m saying? Like, yeah, that’s not a fling. You, you just have two relationships. Is she,
Christa Innis: like, that’s like a, an affair? Are they saying like a four year affair?
Bethy Abdissa: Yeah, because, I don’t even know if that’s a fair. You just have two families. Like, and, like, I don’t know. Four years is like too long for it to be. Like, at what point, what are you doing at that point? Like, The parent, the, the father of the baby was the other one instead of the eight year one, and is that why? Or, we don’t have any context. I don’t have, that’s all I got sent. All right.
Christa Innis: Yeah, and she put friends in quotations, so I’m guessing they’re not close friends. I would guess maybe just acquaintances. That Like, when you hear those stories where, like, someone had two families and they were, like, keeping one a secret, I’m like, how? I can barely maintain a job in one family.
Bethy Abdissa: Yeah, no, I, I have a terrible poker face for me to do that. Like, I, I can’t do that, but No. Yes, my question to you, actually, I don’t know if you’re comfortable responding to this one, but, like, if you had a friend who has an 8 year Threat relationship, but also has a side person for four years. Would you tell that eight year person?
Christa Innis: So am I finding out like, so like if, are they coming to me and I know they’ve been like with someone for eight years and they’re like, Hey, by the way, I’ve been with someone else for four years too. Or are they, are they telling me like in the beginning?
Bethy Abdissa: No, they just told you they’ve also had a, another relationship for four years.
Christa Innis: I guess it would depend on my relationship with this friend. Like, if it was like a really close friend, I would be like, Dude, like, what are we doing here? Like, this is not okay. Because all my, like, really close friends, like, that I see regularly, like, I would consider all their husbands or partners, like, best friends of mine, too. Yeah. Though I could never, like, Look at them and know that that was happening, um, and not say anything. But I also respect, like, each relationship to be like, I feel like you need to be the one to tell your partner. But I would kind of be like, you need to do this. And then, like, check in and be like, hey, how are, how are things going with that?
Um, I can’t say I’ve ever known of someone doing this that’s coming right off the bat. Like, or like, cheated and tried to like balance two things where I’m like, Hey, you gonna tell them? Because, um, I don’t know, maybe like college or something. I’m trying to think if there was anyone I knew of. But like,
Bethy Abdissa: no, I think it’s like, the way I see it, and maybe I’m overthinking it. Okay, tell me if I’m overthinking it. But the way I see it is like, If somebody comes to me and I know they’re in this eight year relationship and they confess about this, uh, side person for four years, this person for me is, needs to be in like, freaking CIA or something because they, like, I can never trust this person again, even for my own sake.
I think it says a lot about their characters for me. Like, regardless of whether or not they were able, let’s say even the eight year person is like really bad to them. Like for me it’s like if you haven’t spoken and you ha you haven’t really said something, um, to, to this person. I am big on loyalty. And so like, if you haven’t done that, like I can’t trust that anything I’ve done or said to you or anything that I’ve shared with you is actually even like a secret anymore. Like I don’t. Because if you betrayed somebody else like that, um, I don’t feel like my relationship is safe with you. Like, I’m very, I think things may be too extreme and that’s okay, you can tell me if I’m wrong. But like, I just feel like right away, I feel unsafe with this person and I need to dip.
Christa Innis: Yeah, so I, when I share, like, more personal stories on here, I try to be really careful so, like, if someone were listening, they wouldn’t know. But I will say, and I’ll say as generally as possible, someone that I know, like, years ago, it came out that they were, like, having an affair, and this is someone I’m not close with. It’s more, I would say, like, acquaintance, right? I could not look at the, the same. The person already knew that they were being, like, cheated on, the other person.
And it still never, I will always look at them that way. Because I’m like, you abandoned your family. Like, I don’t want to give details because obviously, whatever. I was just like so disgusted by this person’s behavior. I could not look at them the same. And I’m like a very, and I hate to be like, I’m empathetic, but like, I’m a very empathetic person. And I started crying for her because I was like, this is terrible. Like, like at the very least tell someone you’re not happy and say that, like, you know what, it’s not working instead of like crossing that line. And yeah, again, I won’t give details of this, but like, I was so upset and it was just like. Yeah.
Bethy Abdissa: Yeah. And it’s not like, you know, I think there’s like, I, I, I give people grace to a point where people make mistakes, like there’s mistakes and there’s things that are like, no, there’s a lot of thought process that happened into it. Right. Like, just like any other, any other. Um, um, what’s it called? Crime, right? There’s just a lot of intention. There’s a lot of driving. There’s a lot of thinking. There’s a lot of, oh, let me just take off my clothes. There’s just so many spaces between where you were and what happened for there, for there to be like any confusion of what your intent was. Um, I can be forgiving, but I think it’s more if you’ve kept. Um, you literally need to enlist to the CIA
Christa Innis: because
Bethy Abdissa: they need people like you.
Christa Innis: Oh yeah. I, if it, yeah, if it were like a close friend of mine, I’d be like, do I even know you? Like, what, like, what’s the, what are we doing here? Um. Especially like you would hope, I mean, she just mentions getting pregnant with this four year fling. You would hope that her and the long term one don’t have kids already because that adds a whole other layer because I’ve heard of that happening and then they just like abandon the family with kids and it’s just like, come on, like, let’s not do that. I don’t, yeah. That was a crazy one. Okay. Um, that is okay. And then the last one says, I don’t really want to be my best friends made of honor. That’s so you can you know what’s funny. Now this isn’t funny is the wrong word. I’ve seen this, not exact confession, but very similar the last few weeks, and it’s different people.
Bridesmaid Dilemmas: The Drama No One Talks About
Bethy Abdissa: Like, we
Christa Innis: literally just sent out an email this morning, and it was very similar. What’s, what are your, what’s your take on this? This person’s afraid to say it to their friend.
Bethy Abdissa: You know, like, I can tell which friend wanted to be a bridesmaid and which friend didn’t. Like, on weddings. All the time. And I’m like, why didn’t you just say no to begin with? Like it, like in the process, especially if they’re booking like a longer, like maybe a partial package or whatever, I get to meet the bridesmaids. Um, if I’m starting from the beginning of the planning process, obviously like when they’re picking them, I know the process, right. And I can tell right away. And I’m like, why didn’t you just say no? Right. Like, why didn’t you say no? Cause I know you’re about to make my life a living hell because you’re, you’re about to give me a headache, like, and I, and I can see it.
And one time there’s a story one time, uh, my business partner and I, my business partner met the bridesmaids before I did. And so I had no context of who’s who, so she met them. She just gave me a rundown and she warned me about one. I don’t know which one it is. Um, and then months down the line, the bride comes and says, Hey, by the way, um, I would need, you know, one of my bridesmaids, I already knew, like, I already knew was a problematic, like something was ringing in me. She wants to have a specific makeup artist. And that makeup artist is the same makeup artist as the bride. And that we already did the schedule. This is like, I’m talking weeks. away from the wedding. And I was like, well tough, tough luck. I was like, I’m sorry, but we can’t do anything about it. But the bride is such a, she wanted her bridesmaids to feel really welcomed and wanted to do all that.
Right. I’m like, you’re doing the most, like, uh, not only are you making your, your, your job harder now, we have to make sure that the makeup artist doesn’t have any other clients. This is two weeks before the wedding. And now I have to rearrange the entire day’s schedule because one person decided this is the only makeup artist they’re gonna go with two weeks before the wedding. It’s not like they didn’t know. And I was very the makeup artist was not happy that day. It was I could tell, like, everything was off. And the thing is, like, you really didn’t want to be here because you’re making everything hard. You’re making the whole process hard. You’re trying to make
Christa Innis: it, like, more complicated.
Bethy Abdissa: Yeah, so you shouldn’t just said, Hey, I, I can’t do it. But, but because we want to say yes to everything, the people pleasing goes both ways, right? Uh, and maybe, and this is most of the time what I hear is like, Oh, she was a bridesmaid for my wedding, so I have to be a bridesmaid for her wedding. Right. Um, it’s almost like I have to return this favor, not because I want to, but because now I feel like I don’t owe her anything. Yes. You see that they’re really struggling either financially, they’re not able to, you know, do the things like some bridesmaids want to go to a different country for a wedding, wedding shower, you know, and now they’re struggling to, to pay for that and they push. And then what happens is because you have that resentment, right, you haven’t really spoken and said, Hey, I can’t do it.
Right. So you’ve been like just keeping points taking just keeping score in your heart and be like, oh, I didn’t make her do this for her for my wedding, but she’s making me do this for my wedding. And then you’re probably two, three times that you’ve already paid two, three times the cost that you, she probably paid for your wedding. And now you’re resentful. And at the end, like that relationship is just like going sideways. So it’s like, If your best friend is getting married, and I’ve told my friends, by the way, they wanted me to be their bridesmaids. And I would tell them I would be helpful if I was running the show than me being a bridesmaid because I’m a control freak. And I do not like being a bridesmaid. Like if I’m a bridesmaid, I’m going to give you a hard time. And so I’m self aware. I’m self aware. I love that. So and I’m like, I would rather be on your side in a different capacity. Then be a bridesmaid and honesty will always, always go a long way than you bending backwards to please somebody.
Christa Innis: Yeah, yeah, no, I totally agree with that because I’ve definitely been a part of weddings, um, more so when I was, like, day of coordinator, but I’ve seen it as a bridesmaid as well, but where, like, a younger, one recent, not recently, I don’t know why I said recently, a few years back, I was a day of coordinator for a wedding and the groom’s, like, cousin, I think it was a cousin, But it was asked to be a bridesmaid because I think it was just family. I don’t know if the bride was like close to her at all, but everything was a chore. Everything was a hassle from like getting pictures to like we would all be like all dressed and it was like she would we would be like where’d she go and she would have like a t shirt or sweatshirt on I’d be like. No, you need to keep your dress on for photos.
Ugh. And she was like, she was a lot younger, so I don’t know if that was part of it. But she would like, be like complaining. She’s like, are we done yet? I’d be like, nope, we got a few more pictures. Okay, do you want to get your makeup done? Like, everything was like, a chore. And it was just like, you don’t have to say yes. Um, but I don’t know if that was family also like, pushing her to be in it too, so.
Bethy Abdissa: And some people just don’t have the financial capability of doing it. And that’s something that you feel weird about because, um, you don’t want to say no for, if you think about it for women, like we’re talking about a dress that maybe costs 120, 150 to 200, depending on the dress, shoes, earrings. If you’re getting extensions, makeup, we’re talking around 500 to that. Like I’m talking cheap. Cause I’ve, I’ve had brides, bridesmaids that were just, that paid 500, 600 just for their hair.
Christa Innis: Oh my gosh.
Bethy Abdissa: I promise you. So like it’s a 2, 000 to 3, 000 Um expense that you’re expecting So that’s why maybe either simplify when you’re asking even like from the bride’s perspective Simplify what you’re asking your bridesmaids to do or understand their financial situation When you’re asking them to do certain things Because you have it right or because you’re ready to splurge 100 plus k on a wedding Like I said, i’m talking about weddings i’ve seen and done Uh, literally 150 on a wedding. Oh my gosh! I know, I’m like, give it to me and let me make investment properties. Let me just make investment properties. But hey, 150k on a wedding, that’s fine. But that doesn’t mean your bridesmaids have that capability of You know, supporting like a 5, 000, 6, 000 expense out of nowhere. That kind of expectation is also nice or cover the expenses to a certain level so that you, you want them to, to be comfortable to show up for you.
Christa Innis: Definitely. Yeah. No, I, I 100 percent agree with that. Definitely being aware of like what people can afford or want to afford. And also the expectation on both sides, you don’t have to say yes. But having that communication, because that’s the same with like destination weddings. If you’re invited, you don’t have to say yes. You know, there’s such a, like a boundary there. Um, but I know I’ve, I’ve kept you time. We’re a little over, but I just want to say thank you so much for coming on. It was so great. Like reconnecting, like face to face and from we’ve come a long way from sharing our little office together.
Bethy Abdissa: Oh my gosh, the 45 minute drive from Naperville, like that’s crazy for me.
I, now that I think about it, it feels like a long time ago. I’m so happy to reconnect with you and see you grow. Like I’m. Absolutely. Like so, so proud of you, what the platform you’re building. So thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed this conversation and I hope your viewers, uh, also, um, enjoyed some of the insights that I had.
Um, yeah. I’m going to have to wear my glasses now.
Christa Innis: Yes. I love it. Um, where can everyone follow you and find all of your amazing content?
Bethy Abdissa: Yeah, so on TikTok, I go by Bethy Creates. It’s Bethy underscore creates and my business page is kbwesomevents. You can find, uh, the Instagram page also is kbwosemevents for any events in Minneapolis or the DC, Maryland, Virginia area. Um, but we also travel to, I’m actually coming to Chicago, by the way, uh, in Naperville to do a wedding in fall. So I, we also travel all over the U. S. for any of your events, um, but yeah, follow me on Bethy Creates. I do a lot of makeup and mindful conversations, um, you know, until I become a therapist for sure. Yes. That’s next, right? Yes, that’s
Christa Innis: next. There’s no limit to what you can do.
Bethy Abdissa: Absolutely.
Christa Innis: Awesome. Well, thank you so much. This was so fun.
Bethy Abdissa: Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
